City Council - workshop

Well, OK. OK, the time is not 6 o'clock. The date is August 20th. And this is the Riviera Beach City Council budget workshop. Madam Clerk.

Thank you. We're now going to have a moment of silence in the Pledge of Allegiance led by Mayor Lawson.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands,

Thank you. We're now down to introduction and purpose staff.

Question before we do that. We had some other department areas that we didn't complete.

We have another meeting to address. Yes, sir. Okay. All righty.

How many meetings do we have next week? We have Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. That's correct. No, not Thursday.

it's the cra okay and that's why so so monday the 25th is what the continuation of remember you i mean i'm sorry tuesday the 25th excuse me let the record show that councilwoman shirley lanier is president and also councilwoman um davis preneur i'm sorry um councilwoman miller anderson you were speaking

Question. We don't think we could have done all that on Wednesday on the 26th.

But what do you mean all of the utility utility meeting and the in the utility budget. And you know the meeting our hour and a half maybe.

So Monday is when we were supposed to continue on the department. Correct. Councilwoman Miller Anderson was talking about the utility district meeting and the utility district budget hearing.

Or if... Part of Tuesday can be with part of Monday and then the other half on Wednesday.

But the utility budget meeting, instead of having a full meeting on Tuesday night, just do half of the utility budget on Monday along with the city's budget. And then the other half on Wednesday with the utility meeting. That way we will not have a meeting Monday.

I said the utility district budget meeting split that up and do the first half after the city department budget on Monday, since he said that was a smaller department and then do the other half on Wednesday after the utility district meeting. OTHERWISE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A MEETING MONDAY, TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY, AND THURSDAY.

IF WE DO IT THE WAY YOU DO IT, WHAT WOULD BE OUR SCHEDULE? I MEAN, IF YOU DO IT THE WAY YOU'RE SUGGESTING IT. IF WE DECIDE TO DO IT THE WAY YOU ARE SUGGESTING.

BECAUSE THOSE BUDGETS, THOSE DEPARTMENTS, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE IN HERE THREE, FOUR HOURS WITH JUST THAT. I mean, unless somebody, you know, want to drag it out. But I think we can split them up. And the utility meeting is usually not that long.

I don't mind trying it. I mean, I'd rather try that. If we start running into 10, 11 o'clock, we're going to carry it over to another day. I'm not standing here to admit that.

I mean, well, we've got four days to choose from.

Okay. WE CAN TRY IT. AND IF THEY START RUNNING TOO LONG, WE'RE JUST CARRIED OVER TO ANOTHER DAY.

NEW SPEAKER Yeah, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

NEW SPEAKER OKAY. ALL RIGHTY. STAFF? NEW SPEAKER SO WE'RE GOING TO CANCEL TUESDAY. NEW SPEAKER CANCEL TUESDAY AND NEW SPEAKER SPLIT IT UP BETWEEN MONDAY AND WEDNESDAY.

PUT IT ON MONDAY AND THEN WE'LL FINISH IT ON WEDNESDAY. NEW SPEAKER THE UTILITY DISTRICT BUDGET. SPLIT IT FOR MONDAY AND WEDNESDAY.

We got it. Okay. So I understood. Understood. Okay.

Then you all just send an email out so everybody knows what we're doing.

We are following Councilwoman Miller Anderson's suggestion. And that is dangerous.

I appreciate that. Okay, staff. Chair. So Thursday is definitely out. No, it will be that out. But is Thursday still on?

Yeah, that's the CRA. Okay, staff, who's leading this capital improvement presentation?

Chair? Councilwoman Miller-Anderson. SO ARE WE NOT FOLLOWING THE AGENDA UH YEAH THE CITY MANAGER JUST INDICATED THAT THEY WERE PREPARED TO DO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT FOR YOU I I WANT TO MAKE SURE UM CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT IS THAT SECOND YES UM MR COPPINGS UM COUNCILWOMAN MILLER-ANDERSON It says the city manager, city attorney, mayor, city council. Do you all have anything before this capital to improvement project presentation?

Okay. What's the city attorney? Nothing. Mayor and city council, is there anything that you have?

But that's to go over the budget for those departments. The city managers are met. What do you mean.

Those departments going to fall on Monday that's what we just had a discussion about because we didn't do those at the lab budget here.

I know I know I think that it was just on here from the lab.

NO, I THINK WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE GOING OVER CITY MANAGER, CITY ATTORNEY, MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL'S BUDGET.

MR. CHAIR, THESE ARE JUST FOR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD BEFORE WE GO INTO CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. I THINK THEY JUST PUT IT ON HERE, NOT BUDGET PRESENTATION, JUST COMMENTS ABOUT THE BUDGETS, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO THE ACTUAL CAPITAL. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE THAT ACTUAL BUDGET FOR MONDAY BECAUSE IT'S PART OF THE DEPARTMENT.

OKAY. CORRECT. SO, WELL, WHY DO WE HAVE AN AGENDA SAYING THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO GO OVER THE CITY MANAGER, CITY ATTORNEY, MAYOR, AND CITY COUNCIL'S BUDGET. FIRST. IT DOESN'T SAY COMMENT.

I THINK IT SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN PRINTED AS IT IS. I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

SO WE'RE SAYING THESE THREE OR FOUR ARE GOING TO BE A PART OF THE SMALLER ON MONDAY. OKAY. SO WE NEED TO CHANGE THE AGENDA AND SAY THAT THIS IS BEING REMOVED BECAUSE IT'S SHOWING ME THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE TALKING ABOUT THIS FIRST.

SO HOLD ON A SECOND. SO CAN THE CITY CLERK SAY WHAT IS ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING?

YOU'VE BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH ABOUT WHAT'S ON AND WHAT'S NOT. I'M SAYING WHAT IS THE ACTUAL SET AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING?

NEW SPEAKER That's it. NEW SPEAKER THAT'S IT.

NEW SPEAKER ALL RIGHT. NEW SPEAKER MR. SHERMAN.

Yeah, Director Ammons, my question is from a procurement, I guess, are we considering this design build, even it's an ITN, I understand that, but is this, how is this being considered? A design build project?

And is the vice chair spirited or Mr. Bailey, for those who are watching, could you explain what design-build is? Yes.

SO BASICALLY WE DID DESIGN BUILD OBVIOUSLY FOR MOST OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE'VE DONE. I GUESS THREE FIREHOUSES, TWO ARE COMPLETE, ONE UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW. WE'RE DOING THE POLICE STATION DESIGN BUILD. Most communities know when that project went out to bid for the design-build purposes, it went out saying design-build finance. So people thought that were bidding on this project, that were putting in proposals, thought that they were going to have to finance the project. But they did not have to finance the project because we ended up bonding the project. So the people that were building

arena why don't we start this is arena from leo daily in west palm beach before you start i have a quick question you just said something that piqued my interest you said that you have financing already for the project yes is that for the entire project the the sports complex city hall all is or is that just for the residential area that you have. Oh, I'm sorry.

Are you going to be speaking about the piece, the vacant land on Broadway as well in this presentation?

OK. Staff, do we have one of those red corners?

We're trying to use the cursor on the computer.

I don't think it shows up, but on the... It shows up for us, but not on the TV. There is nothing here. That's why they don't use it. They use the pointer. Okay. Blue heron on the diagonal there.

Yes. Question. We have tried to get tri-rail in that area for a while now. HAVE YOU HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM ABOUT A STATION BEING HERE?

So my question was, has there been a discussion with tri-rails? Not Lake Park, not Lake Park. Yes, sir.

Okay, wait, one more quick question. It's going to be the same question. I know how they do analysis for proposed locations. My question again is, have we had discussions with TriRail? Not an analysis that they do without having to speak to us. Okay. and they have indicated an interest for Riviera Beach.

Okay, go ahead Vice Chair. So I believe that the problem Tri-Rail has been having in the MPO is getting access to the tracks. They've been negotiating now for, geez, at least three years that I know of. I'm sure it's been a lot longer, but every meeting that I've been to the MPO on, this seems to come up and they're still negotiating and this has been going on for a real long time. But I think that eventually they will, in the original studies that I saw, they did choose Riviera Beach over Lake Park. in the studies. One study had them both in there, but clearly it doesn't make sense to have bo

seven years out from closing that full water plant it falls right in line at that's the water plant location currently mr bailey correct yes so what i probably want us to do is one of the things is alternative options uh in the event we don't secure the tri-rail station what other uh option can we use that facility or that ground for in the next five to ten years and just give us some ideas and vision because if we're not awarded tri-rail worst case scenario what is an alternative for that for that site because that's still about a seven to 10 year phasing period. But at the same time, we want

Just one quick moment. I just want to disclose that approximately five years ago, I submitted the P3 application to Lake Park for a train station project. where they're planning their train station. We've never gotten any feedback from that, but I just want to disclose for the record that the development group that I'm working with did put in a P3 application for a train station. So noted.

So no, no. My question is, Did someone say that that's Blue Heron Boulevard?

Can you tell me what the heights are of the buildings, the highest building?

Bob, I see you saying six, but I can count close to eight or nine on some of these buildings. So how many stories are there?

So I'm asking what's the highest height?

Mayor. With these densities and the number of units proposed, the 1,300-plus units, community conversations, charrettes, I like how you put the buffers in next to the single families, but I want to make sure that we address and have a clear plan for these community conversations, charrettes, and discussion with the residents first. THE DENSITIES AND THE FINANCING OF THESE PROJECTS. I'M SURE WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT LATER, BUT I KNOW THAT WE HAVE BONDED SOME OF THE PARKS, RECS, THE FIELDS PIECE OF CITY HALL, BUT THEN WHAT'S THE DENSITY, I'M SORRY, WHAT'S THE FINANCING COMPONENT AND HOW WE CAN ACTU

And just for those who may or may not know, the concept of complete streets accommodate cars, walking, and bikes. And bikes all in the same. Yes. Yes.

NEW SPEAKER AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS MORE ON 30,000 VIEW OF THE PROJECT.

NEW SPEAKER LET ME ASK, DID WE RECEIVE THIS INFORMATION BEFORE? NEW SPEAKER THIS PRESENTATION. NEW SPEAKER NO. NEW SPEAKER WHY?

I don't know, but that's the P3 part in the presentation.

I understand that, but we're supposed to have this information beforehand.

Public meetings. Chair, we can we can only discuss during a corner silence during public meetings, so they can't send those via email. So only during public meetings can we have this information.

Yeah, I'm having some problems with following along because I have no clue about this information prior to this, and I really can't formulate any questions because I've never seen it before. NOT YOUR FAULT, THE PRESENTER, IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT, IT'S JUST THAT IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO FORMULATE QUESTIONS AND KIND OF FOLLOW WHEN YOU DON'T, YOU'VE NEVER SEEN IT BEFORE. BUT CLOSELY... GO AHEAD.

Correct. Blue Heron and H heading west. Got it.

So is there still some flexibility regarding the amount of floors that you're going to have? after you've had these conversations.

I'd like to remind the council, too, that we are rewriting the former MIOP, PLAN RIGHT NOW AND DEPENDING ON HOW IT'S WRITTEN, SOME OF THESE BUILDINGS MAY BE ELIGIBLE FOR MEOP OR WHATEVER OUR NEW TERM IS GOING TO BE FOR THAT PROGRAM.

But I hear what you're saying about it gradually increasing as we get to the track. But is there going to be additional conversations with the community in terms of how many units you're going to have in these different levels? Yes.

Yes, Mayor. So twofold. I know we want to work with the community, but because this is a cone of silence, I don't think that we can actually have these charrettes during this until we've executed some form of a contract. That's the first thing. So this will be the only opportunity. Once we've executed a contract, will those densities and heights of these buildings be set in stone once the contract has been executed? yes and we've actually are working on a draft of that contract now just to give to you to look at okay so so just to clarify then because i think there was some misinformation that

I SHOULD ALSO ADD THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO WHEN WE DO THE AGREEMENT ITSELF, WE CAN MAKE IT ELASTIC SO IT COULD BE SUBJECT TO or changes by the city council based on community input. So that way we can go meet with the community after we have something actually executed.

All right. Thank you, Mr. Bailey. And also that will also in impact what we're going to pay or charge for land costs and participation. Correct.

Do you have a site plan so you can show us where on Broadway, because not everyone is familiar where on Broadway this is going?

If you could go back. The phasing. I see that you have phasing of 22, 26 months. THOSE AREN'T ONE AFTER ANOTHER. ARE WE JUST TALKING ABOUT ALL OF THEM ARE PHASED FROM DAY ONE? SO WITHIN 32 MONTHS WE'LL HAVE CITY HALL, LIBRARY. 22 MONTHS IF WE APPROVE TONIGHT, WE'LL HAVE EVERYTHING. I'M SORRY, NOT APPROVED TONIGHT. DOES THAT INCLUDE DESIGN AS WELL? YES.

So a question and you all may have addressed this. I just had a very important phone call, but Has the issue of charrette been discussed?

Yes. And how many? So the update was that we can't actually start until we get a notice to proceed with the community charrettes. But then we can have, as Vice Chair Sparrow said, some elasticity in the agreement to allow for the charrettes to have discussion in regards to the densities and heights. But we can't do that until we actually execute a notice to proceed.

Okay. This question may have been answered as well, but this one is for Mr. Sherman. And you may have already addressed this. Yes. If our P3 partners have financing for the portions that they're ready to work on and we have bonding, how does that impact the use of our bonding? if they're got finance and they read it to put it up, how does that impact our bonds?

um but again it's all going to depend on on what they can borrow at first what we can borrow at yeah my question to son of like early on um of what's about financing and as i understood it he indicated that they have enough financing um but son of like come to the mic did it honestly uh no interest rates did i understand you correctly to say that you all have enough financing to do the city hall and the recreational complex now on this on the city hall we're totally set with the lease the long-term lease from the city oh wait no financing to complete the job?

you said the remainder yes the remainder of what of 65 million dollar total cost on the sports complex randy would you explain to me what what he's referring to yeah so what he's referring to is let's say the aquatic center and the like is going to cost 65 million dollars

um yes uh it was vice chair spiritus and then councilwoman miller-anderson so i have one question for each of you uh director uh sherman if we commit if we if we have a loan now that we have to pay back from the sonnenblatt group let's say it's 100 million dollars uh we sign an agreement we are now on the hook to pay back that loan that's not going to impact on bonding

But it's definitely, definitely going to impact our bonding limit if we don't have enough income to pay it. I mean, unless it's guaranteed and you need a crystal ball to know whether or not people are going to pay their rent or not. You don't know what's going to happen to the economy. My question for you, Mr. Sonnenblech, do you have a letter of intent or a commitment letter on the financing?

That's for the city hall. That's correct. Okay, thank you.

Councilwoman Miller-Anderson. Then Mayor Lawson.

Would it be wishful thinking to try to build a complex under the bond amount so that we do not have to worry about the gap happening?

And how much is this, I mean, what around about the amount for what we're looking at? Because I feel like we're looking at a really pretty car and our pockets can't really afford that pretty car. And, of course, you look at the pretty car and you're like, oh, yeah, I really want it, but not realizing you don't have the money for that and it's going to come with the cost later on. So what do we estimate what we're looking at to be?

I think that would, I would like to see something like that because especially if we're continuous and we may need to tighten our belts on things, if that would provide us the opportunity to do that. But in the future when things are better, we can continue to add on. Yeah, I would like to see that and get away, get rid of that gap if we can.

Thank you. So I think it was Mr. Sherman. Thank you, sir. So the notice to proceed that we're discussing from this board, will that be issued once we have the final numbers for the costs? OF EVERYTHING OR WILL WE BE DOING THAT BEFORE? SO WE'LL WAIT UNTIL A NOTICE, WE'LL WAIT ON THE FINAL NUMBERS FOR ALL THESE PROJECTS, THE CITY COST, BEFORE WE PROCEED WITH THAT.

So today overarching, you just want a direction if we're in the right path, go to the next step. Correct. Because there's a lot more questions that we have right now. So in understanding the construction, making sure the local participation as you guys did a phenomenal job with our fire stations. I see my dear friend Anne McNeil here. Thank you for coming tonight. and making sure that our residents benefit from this billion-dollar project, because this is a legacy project. So right now, tonight is just pretty pictures, as Millie Anderson said. We're looking at a nice car, but we want to make s

Yeah, they just brought up the concept. And then are we going to discuss the phasing for the residential as well? Is that a part of tonight's discussion?

So I think direction for tonight, I'm not sure how much more presentation we have, Right now, the discussion on the residential is going to be key because that's going to determine what does our cost look like on the city side, municipal projects, because I'm sure some of those dollars are going to generate revenue. And then also the direction and the possibility of having profit shares with whatever construction is built. I know the city is not planning on selling any land, so I don't want to sell land. We want to just be partners with this land so that we can retain some of the ownership. AN

So we're still a little far out from that financing, but thank you for that update. But I think just to remind the board that when we originally put this ITN out, the land on 22nd Street and the land south of Blue Heron, The current well site was supposed to draw down the cost of City Hall and the parks and recs. So that land was originally used to buy back the other, to buy down the cost that was going to our residents. So we want to make sure that we have that clear discussion. We can't just talk about the municipal side without making sure we're clear with the residential side. How are we d

Okay, so I just... CAUTION THE CITY AND I HOPE THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND THE STAFF TAKE THIS INTO CONSIDERATION. WE DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE SAME POSITION WE WERE IN WITH THE WATER PLANT. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE AN OFF RAMP HERE, AN EXIT RAMP IN CASE WE DON'T AGREE WITH THE GMP NUMBERS. THERE HAS TO BE AN ABILITY FOR US TO MOVE ON AT THAT POINT.

Right. That's exactly what I was trying to get at, Engineer Bailey. It's the last phase when we get to the GMP where things start getting a little exciting. And we just want to make sure that we have the ability to back out of there and keep the assets just like you say.

Let me ask Ms. McNeil. Yes. I WANT TO TALK TO HER ABOUT HER CONTRIBUTION.

We're talking about basically transforming the city with this project. And I wanted to make sure that someone local, someone who knows this city is able to have the people who live in this city participate in this. This is something that is going to for the next 20 years. And the people who live in this city should benefit the most from this project. And I just wanted to make sure because we have developers and people who are on STAFF AND WE HAVE ALL THESE PEOPLE, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE WHO, AS YOU SAID, IS A PLUMBER OR CAN CUT GRASS OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE,

Thank you. Mr. Chair? Yes. I DO HAVE A SERIOUS QUESTION FOR MS. ANN. 46, 47% PLUS PERCENT ON THE FIRST PROJECT, FIRE STATION 87. 53% FIRE STATION 88. THAT'S AN EXPECTATION. THAT'S A GOAL. AND I KNOW WE CAN'T MAKE IT A REQUIREMENT. But based upon those numbers that you guys far exceeded, the 15% that was announced previously, I want to make sure that on this billion dollar project, to your point, we can meet similar numbers. And to your point, not just the people that worked on that fire station, this entire community can become multimillionaires. based on building city facilities in this commu

And let me say that Miss MacNeil's reputation precedes her. She's not only respected in the construction space, I'm in transit. She's known nationwide in the transit industry as well. And I'd like to thank you for all you do for the country, not just Riviera Beach. Okay, we got to keep it moving now. Are there any further questions or comments on this item? Because we have other

Yes. Now, one thing I do want to say about P3. Yes, sir. Private public partnerships. Sometimes in these relationships, they start off at the beginning as being partners. And as the profits start coming in, the public sector seems to diminish in receiving some of those profits. If it's going to be a P3, it's going to be P3 to the end. Am I making myself clear, Mr. Sonnebitter?

Yeah. 20, 30 years down the road, whatever the numbers are that we work out, that would be the city portion. We want it to the end, all the way to whenever the project is completed and done 30, 40 years down the road. Okay.

And that needs to be documented that we get whatever the percentage is all the way to the end on the profits. Okay. Any other further comments? If not, thank you very much. Good presentation. We're looking forward to working with you. And you have a Jim and Ms. Anne McNeil. I'm telling you, she's very respected, very respected, nationwide.

Mr. Chair. And let me just say that it's a concept.

and the game and some things could change slightly but right now for me again um mayor lawson uh being that it's a budget workshop um just consensus is one thing but i think we may want to take a motion at the next council meeting just to discuss taking it to the next level um we can give you consensus we can have conversation but i i don't think that we should be voting on a workshop um but i think tonight is just they like it they want to continue But there's a lot that needs to be done, and possibly if you need anything in documentation writing or any clear MOUs, we can do that at the next

okay thank you um wait let me go to mr sherman i know he's been standing there did you have some clothing but did you know oh no i'm ready to go to the next slide oh okay yeah it's time to move on because we have other yeah i i just want to make clear that we can give a directive at a workshop for the staff to move forward we don't have to do it by resolution so i think the staff understands that we want to move forward and bring us back something substantial THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY DO A RESOLUTION ON, BECAUSE WHAT WE HAVE NOW IS NOT ENOUGH FOR A RESOLUTION.

NEW SPEAKER YES. AND WE CAN ALWAYS RATIFY THAT AT THE END. NEW SPEAKER COUNCILWOMAN MILLER-ANDERSON, AND I HOPE THAT'S THE LAST COMMENT ON THIS. WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD NOW.

NEW SPEAKER CAN YOU JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THOSE DIFFERENT PHASES THAT HE MENTIONED?

NEW SPEAKER YES. MR. Councilwoman Miller-Anderson wanted to make sure that Kauffman-Lynn, Representative Jeff, had indicated that he can bring some phases and the amounts associated, the costs associated with the different phases. Want to make sure that that comes forward.

Okay, we've got to move forward. Just a quick comment and also make sure that we have a clear depiction of the residential and the financial impact and the partnerships of what we're going to be doing with that. Thank you. Okay.

So- Wait, before you get started, one quick question. This 60 million is funds that had not been

Okay, one last question. And in my mind, I'm trying to see. If we have to use it, do we just because we have that, we need to go and find something to spend it on or. Could we have it for a rainy day? Do we have to actually go out and spend it all because we have it?

Okay, you can move on. Can Director Sherman explain to the public and us how we got to the $60 million? We've already bonded a portion of that $60 million, haven't we? We have not. So this is a new $60 million general obligation bond?

So we would be maxed out in our capacity other than the 10 million?

and and what i'm thinking about is i don't want to put any more debt on the residents than we actually have to because we're going to have to pay this right it's just not pretty much yeah then if that is the case and i'd say you probably would like wait wait that was just my opinion i have other colleagues up here so don't no but if that if that's where you would want to go i think you would have to do i couldn't tell if you had colleagues or not

i think you'd have to do the police station and probably callaway would you agree mr bailey i was i agree with whatever the board wants um so uh to that point this okay

callaway project if it doesn't come out of this fund source sure um yes right so so uh engineer bailey so what you're telling me is that the 55 million dollar recreation bond that we passed did not include callaway did not include any of these other projects this is going to be above and beyond the 55 million dollars that we've already

Thank you, Chair. So just what I don't see here is the million dollars that were required to budget with the county agreement that we have for the sand and the additional millions that we're going to need in case the county doesn't come through like they didn't last year for the sand dunes and the beach protection.

A disaster line in our budget. We have a line item that says disaster. So how much money do we have in that one?

So if we needed $3 million, let's say, for the sand, you'd be able to take it out of that line?

SOME OF THE PARKS UP THERE, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE'VE DONE SOME WORK THERE RECENTLY. IS THAT WHAT THAT AMOUNT IS, LIKE FOR SADIE MCCRAY, SOME OF THE RECENT WORK THAT WAS DONE THERE?

Okay. And I'm just going to ask one more time about the roads. IN PARK MANOR SOUTH I KNOW WE HAVE 35TH FROM AVENUE J WHICH IS NOT REALLY I DON'T KNOW MAYBE THE DEPARTMENT IS JUST NOT THIS YEAR TOO BUT UM THAT'S THE WORST AREA IN THE CITY IN TERMS OF THE ROADS BEING REALLY REALLY BAD AND I KNOW YOU'VE EXPLAINED IT NUMEROUS TIMES AS TO WHY THAT IS THE CASE BUT at some point we're not going to be able to do the major work that needs to be done to it fairly soon how can we get some of those roads repaired where they're not as bad as they are right now because they're horrible and i know we said th

NEW SPEAKER I WILL HAVE ANOTHER CONVERSATION DURING OUR CRA MEETING.

Okay, well, you can continue on if we are at that point. I understood that the last I knew it was, you know, it's just going to cost too much and there was no option to get it done. So if you're saying it's in there,

That's not the area I'm talking about. It's south of Blue Heron.

I mean, you know, when we did the north side of Blue Heron, THE SOUTH WAS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN RIGHT AFTER, BUT THEN THAT'S WHEN THIS BIG INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUE BECAME THE REASON WHY WE COULDN'T DO ANYTHING OVER THERE. AND AS WE ALL KNOW, WE HAVE POTHOLES AND SINKHOLES THAT CONTINUE TO DEVELOP OVER THERE BECAUSE OF THE WATER PIPING OR WHATEVER IS THE CASE THAT IS BEING SAID EVERY TIME YOU FILL ONE AND THEN six months later is back again, we have to do something because nothing has been done over there. If you did from worst to best, that area has to be at the top of the list somewhere. Although I

Okay. That'll probably be a decision up here because wherever we take money from or put... No, it is a decision. So wait, let me finish. I know, but let me tell you where I'm going.

We have to decide... what if anything we want to remove and put money in your area if if if it's going to happen it's just not going to fall out the sky somebody we have money to call out the sky sometimes around here well i've never seen it so it happens so we have to decide if we want to remove any of these projects that have been allocated funds okay that's what we have to decide that's the only way that so more money can be pushed into your area. But when we do that, everybody up here represent the district with issues. My roads and Monroe Heights are completely screwed up.

I know. That we know, and we've been down that road a hundred times.

No, I'm saying it was redone when you got the... Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But my area has not had any of that done, is what I'm saying.

But it's dangerous over there. Yeah. I want to go into that not because we had a whole plan laid out when I was in office in the new come first came in want to do something. And it screwed up. But I would like to get back to this we would have to decide what we want to remove yet. So we have to sit here all night and just talk about the problem you need to know that we're going to remove anything that move the money around.

It didn't didn't we agree I think was on the sale. OF THE 1851 PROPERTY OR ONE OF THE OTHERS THAT WE WERE GOING TO SPLIT THE COST BETWEEN LAKEVIEW PARK AND MONROE HEIGHTS.

WAS IT LIKE TWO MILLION, A MILLION AND A MILLION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT?

I THINK IT WAS TWO AND TWO. I THINK IT WAS TWO AND TWO, SOMEWHERE IN THAT RANGE.

I THINK THEY DID THAT AT A CRA MEETING. BUT IF THE CITY WAS A PARTNER IN THE PROJECT IN THE LAND, So I think, but we all agreed that we were going to split that money a certain way between those two areas. The CRA board did? Well, we did it as the CRA board. It was the CRA that was selling the property, even though the city did own a small portion or part of that property.

Right, but we did pass a resolution on how that money was going to be split. Because I'm not familiar with that. The CRA board did, and they were talking to the city manager at the time, but the CRA board did pass a resolution on what the split of those funds were going to be. And it was between those two communities.

We were saying that we were hoping and we expected the city was going to do the same as the CRA board was because we wanted to split that total amount of money we were getting from the funds for road projects in those two areas, infrastructure projects.

I guess we need to try to find that revolution So we can see what it is.

So because of time, Mr. Bailey, can you can you CAN YOU ALL FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH WE WOULD NEED TO GET AT LEAST SOME MILLING DONE ON THE ROADS, EVEN THOUGH I KNOW YOU CAN'T PROBABLY DO THE INFRASTRUCTURE NOW, OBVIOUSLY. BUT ON THOSE WORSE ROADS, WORSE THE BEST, WHICH ARE IN THE AREA AND SEE WHAT THAT WOULD COME UP TO. AND THEN IF WE COULD CIRCLE BACK TO THIS AT ANOTHER TIME, AT ANOTHER BUDGET MEETING OR some time during a conversation to see if we can change some things around.

NEW SPEAKER What's my understanding there was $3 MILLION PUT IN THE FIRST PART OF THIS PROJECT And then out of the recreation bond, the $55 million in the recreation bond, $3.5 million was for the Ocean Park. And then we were going to pick up the additional $5 million through this bond. It's probably still going to be short the money they need, but we can do that in the design. We can just back into the number. But you're going to need the full $8 million. I know that the city manager's office had signage and other things they wanted to do there as well. but I think the plan that George Gentil

But it's my understanding the boardwalk may have changed. No, we were told that the boardwalk was coming and was going to be in, I didn't know where, I didn't know what was going to be done to a bond. But the former city manager said that he had that money coming for us. I didn't know where he was taking it from. But now I see that it's part of this bond, which would make sense.

Okay. One other thing regarding this information here. Can you also find out or give us the date? The last time we had work done in certain in that area versus moral height. That regard and what were the dates for the repaving of the road that have happened.

We have to move on. With the presentation and then if we need to make a hard decision to do that but with stagnant right.

OKAY, MR. SHERMAN. Finish your presentation. Let's get through your presentation because we have other issues after this too.

No, if this is where we are, just give the presentation and keep it moving. Okay.

to the marina, the marina phase expansion. I see we're doing about 24 million total project for the expansion. What's our annual total revenue that we're receiving from that marina and what will it go up to with this expansion?

So $8 million annually with a $24 million cost over the next five years. Okay. Thank you, sir.

Okay. Okay. And let's write our questions down. Let's let them get through this presentation. And let's ask all our questions at the end.

All right. So can I ask a question about this traffic calming before you move to the USD? Sure. What area is that for? Have we determined where those are going to be?

NEW SPEAKER. OKAY. SET TO MOVE FORWARD? NEW SPEAKER.

Yeah. On the utility district, I didn't see lift state. I know lift station 10 is having some issues. Is that in the budget or in a budget somewhere else right now? You have that funded somewhere else?

WILL THAT BE PART OF THE INTERCOSTAL CROSSING PROJECT?

But I see you still have a generator there, right? Is the generator still there? It was there a few days ago, so it's still there. Is that included in what you're going to be doing?

Well, you're going to put a permanent generator in there. You're not going to let that temporary generator sit out there in the open for the next 15 years. The people aren't going to like that, obviously.

I thought there was a green temporary general. It's an emergency bypass pump. Okay. Is that going to be, is that finished?

Question. Right down H Avenue West, the break that happened this morning or late last night, was it at the lift station?

So nothing's in here to deal with that. I know there's construction been going on a long time for that.

THAT'S IT. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD?

SO GOING BACK TO MY ORIGINAL CONFUSION, WAS THAT CITY MANAGER AND ALL OF THAT WAS ON THERE. ARE WE NOT WANTING TO JUST GO AHEAD AND TRY TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT SO WE DON'T... I'M SORRY. THE AGENDA HAD THE BUDGET PRESENTATION FOR THE CITY MANAGER, CITY ATTORNEY, AND MAYOR OF CITY COUNCIL ON THERE. OKAY. SO WAS THAT NOT

Yeah, that was the agenda. It was a mistake of how the agenda was printed tonight.

So why nobody told us that it was a mistake and that's not what was going to happen?

Yeah, no, there was never any intention to go with the city managers, whether it's city attorney or...

But what I'm saying is it's 8 o'clock. I know you have a cutoff. You like to do around 9. So that means we have a whole hour. No, we don't.

I'd rather end this meeting. Staff is not prepared to do those presentations tonight. They didn't come prepared for that tonight.

It's already in the budget. It's us. It's us, it's the attorney, and it's the city manager.

I need to put a motion on floor to end this meeting.

Please do it during the workshop. Yeah, do that and see what happens to us. Or y'all, rather, not me, because I'm not moving. It's the workshop. What I am saying is we still have an hour. Can we look at something else in the budget so that we don't have to spend more time in the

WE CAN DO THE CITY COUNCIL. WE'RE HERE. AND IT'S JUST LOOKING AT OUR BUDGET. AT LEAST WE CAN SAY WE'VE GONE THROUGH THAT ONE. THE CITY ATTORNEY IS HERE. I MEAN, THE BUDGET IS THERE. SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT COMES FROM PEOPLE ARE NOT PREPARED. YOU HAVE TO PREPARE TO PUT IT ON THE BUDGET AND ON THE AGENDA.

I'm sure we will not have a presentation for the city council in Mayapur, right? That's what I'm saying. So we can kind of talk about that and at least get something out of the way.

The board can do what you want to do. But I'm saying that they didn't come prepared for any additional presentation. I know you want to do a little more and let's do another hour. I understand you're a teacher. and you just want to maximize the time i would hope anybody it has nothing to do with it okay it's just a matter of trying to take advantage i'm not going back and forth y'all can do what you want to do what is the problem what is the issue the issue is we we have completed what we came here to do and you're looking for something else to do and i'm not in that mindset i'm not i'm just i

Well, you didn't, but thank you for giving me that point, and that would make me a little bit better. If that's what it is. All of this is not prepared. I don't see that.

Okay. All righty. Closing comments. Mr. Interim City Manager.

There are no kind of thank you. David for near.

I do have a little bit and it's been. They want them and I was right there. This is a linear.

I just want to invite everybody out Tuesday to our staff real quick, if y'all can listen up. Tuesday at 9.30, the city is being honored by the county with a proclamation by Commissioner Bobby Powell and the commissioners for the county to recognize the city as an all-American city. So if we can't have all the staff, Colleagues, if you're available, it is 930. I know it's a workday, but if you can't go there, 930 a.m. at the county meeting. Thank you, Chair.