Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

Good evening. Welcome to the August 20, 2026 meeting of the Mountain View Municipal and Regional Planning Commission meeting. Our first item up on our agenda tonight will be to set our agenda. I do have one change and one request. Item 9F, which is review the site plan for Willow Creek Garden and Home, located at 3215 North Mount Juliet Road, will be pulled from the agenda per the applicant's request. And let me find it on here for a number. Just wanted to see because we had seen this one a bunch. Oh, I wanted to see if there would be any objection to taking 9B, review the site plan for MSR Pl

Nice, nice. Everything went as planned and proposed and doing good? Good. Perfect. Perfect, perfect. All right. Next item up on our agenda will be our citizen comments. At this time, we'll take citizen comments. Public is welcome and encouraged to make a public comment about any item on our agenda. There'll be two opportunities for you to make comments. You may speak now or you may speak when the item is presented to the Planning Commission. We do ask that you limit your comments to three minutes or less. Anyone wishing to address the Planning Commission at this time, please come to the microp

Shane, anything from public works? Ditto. Very good. Questions or comments from the commission? Seeing none at this time, I do need to close our Planning Commission meeting in order to open a public hearing. Public hearing is in regards to item 6D, 6E, and 6F. 6D is review the final plat for Providence Commons, Phase 2, located at 631 through 703 South Mount Juliet Road. Item 6A, review the final plat for Legacy Point, Lot 11, located at 100 Legacy Point Boulevard. Item 6F, review the final plat for 2819 Old Lebanon Dirt Road. Anyone wishing to make comment during the public hearing in regards

Seeing no citizen comments at this time, we'll reopen our planning commission meeting, at which time I am looking for a motion in regards to the items on our planning commission agenda, our consent agenda. It's motion and a second. All those in favor, signify by saying aye. Raise your hand. Aye. Against? Abstentions?

Yeah. Would there be any objection to us hearing item 7A and 7B together?

Seeing no objection, we'll hear item 7A and 7B together. Item 7A is a recommendation item back to the Board of Commissioners, is review the annexation request for 6484 Beckwith Road. Item 7B is a recommendation item back to the Board of Commissioners, review the plan of services for 6484 Beckwith Road. Mr. John?

Move over. Shane, any comments in regards to this item on the agenda? No, sir. Well, questions or comments from the commission? Seeing none at this time, I'd like to call for citizen comments. Anyone wish to make comments in regards to these items on the agenda? We're welcome and encouraged to do so.

Seeing no citizen comments at this time, do we need to close our Planning Commission meeting in order to open a public hearing? Public hearing is in regards to item 7B. It's a recommendation item back to the Board of Commissioners to review the plan of services for 6484 Beckwith Road. When wishing to make public comment in regards to this item during the public hearing, welcome and encouraged to do so. And from the microphone, name and address for the record. Seeing no citizen comments at this time, we'll close our public hearing, reopen the Planning Commission meeting, and at which time I'm l

Shane, anything from public works on this one?

Very well. Questions or comments from the commission? Seeing none at this time, I'd like to call for citizen comments in regards to these two items on our agenda. And when we should make comments, we'll encourage you to do so. Microphone, name and address for the record. seeing no citizen comments at this time i do need to close the planning commission meeting in order to open a public hearing public hearing is in regards to item 7d which is a recommendation item back to the board of commissioners would be the plan of services for 1865 nonneville road anyone wishing to make a comment during th

Please. Shane, do you have any comments this time? No, sir. Very well. Questions, comments? Mr. Jones, please.

I saw I wasn't here last month, and then I had a chance to relook at this. And I know that the body gave them a negative recommendation, but I really think that this should go through. And here's the reason for it. We're supposed to have a visual up here. Okay, John, you want to explain this?

anyway does everybody know where this is on here mm-hmm okay so here's the thing here's the thing that if you look at this and I think some of the comments from the last meeting was that we've not had one like this but here's the thing about it if that zone which the the frontage on that on the Lebanon Road is is CG correct and I think this is coming in as CRC but the thing about it is what I'm I'm hoping will happen is is that someone will either buy both of these or this front lot will buy that because they don't have any room for anything anyway and with one lot there i mean we don't have a

here and most of us who live on that street in Tanglewood right behind that, the folks that I've talked to have a negative concern about this, concerned about the situation because the property right next to it, and we discussed this at the last meeting as well, has had some issues keeping it clean. And it's right next to the neighbors.

Are you saying this lot has had issues keeping it clean?

No, the one on the other side of the street there that has those three buildings, businesses right off of Lebanon Road. And they're stacked right behind the other. I know. And I don't think a lot has changed. There has been plenty of opportunity for those other folks to develop, and much of that has not developed there yet on the other side of Glenwood. That's still, as far as I know, most of that is vacant. And so they have a place to build at this point is my perspective. But I know that we had the neighbor who spoke last month, as well and was concerned about it also and then i think luke m

But my comment back towards that was that I felt like that they needed to come in together. So nothing should stop one from the other of acquiring the other should they want to do something like that. They come in and be replatted and done. My fear on this was if it is to develop independently with everything that they're requesting, I think it sets a very bad precedence. Because I can look at this map here in front of us right now just because they're parallel to Thoroughfare Commercial. that should we set this precedence, I can count four properties to six properties that would have the same

Well, when they do that, they take a chance and have the contingent upon this body approving it. But if you'll look over to the east, that's Thoroughfare Commercial right there. You'll see the color, which is actually deeper than this whole lot. And this whole lot acreage is what, John?

An acre and a half, an acre and a quarter.

But it can develop independently. And I agree. But if we have to look at a site plan for thoroughfare commercial zoning on just this parcel, not because it's adjacent to the other, I think it creates a – and if they can meet our subdivision regulations, we have to approve.

and together i love them together i think this this corner right here is a super valuable corner and i would love to see it redevelop um it looks better since we got rid of the railroad tie uh wall out there my father had a his personal business in that building at one point in time um and it's thriving right now with some retail uh in it um and doing well um But the commercial hat, that right there would be nice to have a restaurant right there that would help my family or something more convenient there that would be beneficial to my family and whatnot and community as a whole. But I just th

Well, it can, but they would have a class D buffer, as we all know. So that would shield some of your, obviously, that would help in your residence.

There's a buffer on the other side, too, and it's scary.

And I don't mind the buffer. It's the ingress-egress.

You're putting access in the middle of a turning line.

know he's saying could they even build a building with the buffer because these days creativity of setbacks as you can come to this meeting or yeah no no bounds well there would be there would be a class debuffer and you've got a good point there wouldn't be a lot of room and i think that's why it would be more Obviously attractive for someone to try to buy both of them or the owner of this to buy that because then you're just talking about the one class.

So if we open the same argument up for this property, just look right there to your right on Glenwood, you got one deep right there and they're surrounded on three sides, just like this property. I don't think that I would desire to have that house turn commercial right there. And it's kind of the same argument there on, now Glenwood's not as traveled, but I would say that those people on Glenwood, that one house right there on Glenwood would have the same basis of argument to request the same thing and should this go through. They could, as well as some other things. I know.

But there again, that one's not on Greenville, so they do not have the ingress and ingress on Greenville. Yeah. And you make a good point about it, Luke. There again, I mean, y'all gave it a negative recommendation. I would have voted positive. I'm going to vote positive tonight. Sure. So.

Sure. Yeah, and I agree with you a thousand percent that it's got good merit. I'd love to see the corner redevelop, but I'd like to see them replant and come in here for something appropriate and combine together. I think it's got a lot of merit to it, but just independently out there and the things that run through my mind of how and what could be put on there with this zoning and this land use plan, I don't know that I would be necessarily excited about it.

And the church next to it, I think, is also a daycare center that has quite a bit of traffic coming in and out of that area off of South Green Hill as well.

Yeah, and that's down here on the south side of that, isn't it, where they come in now?

Let's go ahead and call for citizen comments in regards to this item on the agenda. Anyone wishing to make comment in regards to this item on the agenda, it's welcome and encouraged to do so. Please come to the microphone and name and address for the record.

Any additional citizen comments at this time? I see no additional citizen comments. I'm looking for a recommendation in regards to this item on our agenda. We'll second that. That's a motion for a negative recommendation. All those in favor signify by saying aye and raising your hand. Aye. Against? Abstentions? There's a negative recommendation. Sam, would we continue on to hear the next two or three items on our agenda at this point in time?

Mr. Lanham, what would be your will for us to hear the annexation plan of services and the rezoning request, items 8B, 8C, and 8D? Would you like for this body to continue to hear those items, or would you like to defer those items?

Kind of my thing on that, I would rather see the corner redevelop, and OPS is not conducive to the redevelopment, the discussion that we just had, the commercial. I mean, what you're asking for would be desirable. Yes, sir. But it needs to come together. I know that that's hard to make sense, but if everything comes together as it is with the request – as i just said my fear is the access points on this and the precedence it's set uh with a one deep property with no direct access to a major thoroughfare such as lebanon road and then the potential access point this body would have to grant some

It's the access point on Green Hill that is one of the scariest points.

Because it's right into, you know, you can imagine if someone is coming, wants to go southbound on Green Hill, but then they want to turn into this lot, that they're going to push traffic back onto Lebanon Road because traffic's already queued up trying to get through the intersection going north on South Green Hill. and you've caused a malfunction junction right there probably one of our busiest roads in in mount julia south green hill right so it's just good design and some good thought too there's merit

um and so i hope that something has worked out and and i hope we get to see it again yes sir come sure john please yeah but if there was a ride up in north green hill road then that would take traffic off from green hill road if they were going into this site and as far as counting the the lots this is the only one that goes to two that could have two ingresses and ingresses on two different roads unless these people down here combine lots together You see what I'm saying?

My actual hope would be that if it were to redevelop, that the only access point would be Leavenham Road.

Yeah, I mean, that would be the best. But you probably want secondary somewhere just for safety reasons. I mean, we're talking about the one on Mount Dewitt Road for the circular. I mean, you would want that if that redeveloped.

You could actually shoot them out to Tanglewood over there to the back of that strip center.

Yeah. Yeah, so basically if they want to combine together, come let us take a look at it.

Thank you. That is a deferral by the applicant. Item, let me read these three real quick. Item 8B, which is recommendation item back to the Board of Commissioners, review the annexation request for the Williams property located 98 Tanglewood Drive. It's been deferred per request of the applicant. Item 8C, which is recommendation item back to the Board of Commissioners, review the plan of services for the Williams property located 98 Tanglewood Drive. It's been deferred. per the applicant item 8d which is a recommendation item back to the board of commissioners which is the review the rezone re

Very well. Tom, you got anything on this one?

Thank you. Questions, comments, discussion from the Commission? Mr. Bohm?

I ask for representation to this project. Name and address for the record, please.

Let me make sure I'm right on this too, Joe. You guys will... you're basically going to complete the entire road section extension of providence parkway all the way leading to this site so that road will be completed in its entirety correct the development of this site that is correct yeah so unlike what we did on the other side of providence parkway where it was three lanes for a time and then it ultimately got widened to five right this gets the ultimate five-line section at the central pike

start prior to the central pike interchange therefore allowing john hager whether or not it comes like this i'm sure that's a discussion between you guys and tdot uh out there but this would potentially give an access point a good access point so that the people on john hager continue to come in and out is that Yeah, it's kind of what I'm asking.

It at least gives an option or an access point right there with the folks that depend on John Hager while Central Pike is kind of messed up up there for a little bit or pretty busy with a lot of activity on

But we're going to have a five-lane road sitting there as a potential option at least. Joe, would you guys be ahead of that 29 date then? Yeah, we're going to start construction this fall.

Further questions, comments from the commission? Thank you.

Seeing no further questions or comments at this time, I'd like to call for citizen comments in regards to this item on our agenda. Anyone wishing to make a comment is welcome and encouraged to do so. And please come to the microphone and state your name and address for the record. Seeing no citizen comments at this time, I'd like to ask for a motion in regards to this item on our agenda. Motion of approval. It's a motion and a second. All those in favor, signify by saying aye and raising your hand. Aye. Against? Abstentions? So approved. Please.

Yes, ma'am. Perfect. next item up on our agenda is item 9c which is to review the site plan for mainstead at golden bear located 4515 beckwith road mr joe okay a couple months ago we saw i think it was may

Very well. Todd, do you have anything on this one? Very well. Questions or comments from the Commission?

It is in building 100. I can help you with that one. It is in the building. I think that Mr. John made a note saying that we need postmaster approval in order to locate it there. Let's go ahead and ask for representation because I've got a lot of questions.

Do you want to, I guess, speak to Commissioner Armstead's question on the mail kiosk?

Yes. So that's going to lead me to one of my questions I have. Where do they park? In the lot there. So no dedicated parking for the mail kiosk? It's not dedicated now.

Shouldn't it be signed that says so many minutes to park close to a kiosk? I mean, like you have that when you go into retail places. I mean, restaurants, you normally park there a certain few minutes while you go pick up something. Would that not be consistent in this many units and have your mail in one place? don't think that we have an issue having that yeah we come with how many spaces I mean I don't know this Todd knows I mean I don't I don't know how many I mean spaces would is the norm for this I mean oh oh I see Melvin

Well, how many times does somebody go to the post office like I go every day and there's more than two cars there? I go almost every day.

I was in a Bixley Apartments the other day and I was with a lady and she was picking up her mail. And then it was probably in the afternoon, people are getting up from work and they're coming in and wanting to get their mail in. Several people were parking and there were, oh, five or six or at least five or six parking spaces for that. That's a big complex.

So let's just carry on with concerns I have overall on this one as it sits. I asked staff to give us a copy of the PUD itself, which everybody here tonight received a copy of it. And one of the main reasons I wanted to see this particularly is because I wanted to see how the original PUD proposed the parking and and how each building was going to be serviced by that. A couple of the big differences. We had buildings or one building at the back on this position to the floodplain there, I guess, to the east of this site. I think it was set up at one point for some of the green space on the, what

around 15.9 very well and then in in looking at the overall design we're like well let's do apartments and then hey we should get some room left let's throw three town homes in there um the logic to that one something that i've never seen in 22 years sitting here that you throw three town homes uh in the middle of all apartments um don't like that they could easily be converted back to commercial and commercial um percentage to come up because that was what was desired by this commission at the time that this pub was approved number two is you've got the commercial and then the commercial does

I would love to show it to you. Okay. and those are just it it gives me the feel your project as a whole i like and your elevations are like and everything that i like but i feel like we struggled to get this many units in compliance with our parking requirements and so we've put parking places in places that in areas that i don't feel are well designed or safe And that's my only struggle with this project is we have before us right here, really. and and that's just where my my comments are with it i'd like to see it develop it does appear to be now that i got to see this tonight as i came up

And I was concerned about those three townhomes as well. It just looks so just pushing people together in such a small space here. But the pocket park is where that is behind the townhome units. Is that a potential playground? What is that meant to be? I didn't see it. I see the pool, the pavilion, and a fitness center. And I know that the designs of the The apartments seem to be one and two bedrooms. Do you have three bedrooms there as well?

So it's probably designed for beginning homes and younger people, but they still have children sometimes. And I just was thinking that there's nothing much that benefits them in terms of a play area. I see that it could be there by the pool pavilion beyond that, a designated area. And that's a lot of people.

Sam, I have a question for you. Is this, at this point of this project, is this one to where this body has the ability to put a trigger on the commercial versus CO?

I just want to make sure that the commercial component is done I'd like to see to see it move forward but I think his parking configuration is laid out right now I've got concerns in regards to this and let me ask you one more question real quick the the north side parking as you come in off of Old Beckwith Road. It looks like that entire north section of parking is off property.

Okay. You guys got easements and everything in place allowing that to happen? Okay. Was that necessary to get in compliance with our parking places? Yes.

So you saw my concerns with some of the parking there. Couldn't lose enough parking to address all of those concerns that I shared with you? To me, it would cause you to lose that one right there, 3, 4, maybe 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12. We would definitely be under-parked. 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18. Roughly around 20 parking places is what it would lose. Do you have any suggestions for that reconfiguration?

Yeah. Todd, you're a traffic engineer. I know it's not a public road.

No, you're my engineer. I'm not. Make a couple of notes here real quick to make sure it's included in here. This is just some additional crosswalk striping. I'd like to see crosswalk striping at the sidewalk section. As you come in the north entrance, first parking lot to your right, you've got sidewalk to sidewalk, no crosswalk, and that's adjacent to one of your main entrances. So just crosswalk striping there as seen in other places on the... On the development, same thing in regards, come through the roundabout on the east side there adjacent to the clubhouse building, building 100, apartm

That to me is... Did you consider anything else prior to putting it in the building?

Yeah, I'm not thinking about the clubhouse. I'm just seeing some other areas that are possibilities.

And you were talking about coming in to the north off of Old Beckwith, and there's plenty of what looks like a grain space there where a

Sam, I'm going to come back to you real quick. Does this body at this point in time on this submittal, this being a site plan request, do we have the ability to request and make changes to this? Or do we have the ability to turn it down?

Well, the only thing I have about the pool is this neighborhood probably is not going to have a lot of children. It's going to be one and two bedrooms. So you don't have a lot of younger people that go out there and want to maybe see this kind of thing. Like when we go to Florida, a place, you know, they've got islands in the pool. Of course, it doesn't do anything for me. But, you know, kids and younger people, it does. So I don't know. I don't have a problem with the pool. But I think they could do something with that building to make that kiosk separate or something. Because it's just like

I've got to be honest with you. yeah without the dumpsters without the mail kiosk the three townhomes give me a ton of heartburn our traffic engineer is good with the uh with the parking but i mean it just you could have that mail kiosk on there with those three townhomes i know that's not going to be equitable i personally think that that should review the staff comments and adjust accordingly.

I just wanted to point out that the final master development plan does have the three townhomes, so the planning commissioner should not have

there's been very little site plan changes since FMDB no that doesn't change a poor design it's a poor design it's poorly thought out poorly laid out it might be in compliance but there's just zero consideration to people they're gonna live here I mean I just don't see how you can stand there and say that there's not I mean there's just it's in compliance we can say that uh outside of that it's no vision i mean i could keep on with adjectives but and if i may mention please what happens when you don't have

Quality is that in the future then the rent will drop And you're going to have some situations and I never voted for apartments in my previous time of commission never and I do now because there's some places and I've had a total change but there again the final design the design should be for quality to not just quantity because you know time goes by and So what's going to happen 20 years from now? If people are not satisfied and they have to walk all the way across for this, or they have to take the trash all the way across this whole development, and and all of this who's going to live ther

please if anybody else has any additional discussion feel free and have it i'm reading some stuff personally over here i do have one more question please what if the postmaster doesn't approve this mail kiosk being located internally in building 100 i wouldn't i mean the postmaster

and here's my concern and this is based upon staff's comment as well if we were to say hey you can get with staff to resolve some of these issues and move forward the fact that staff has already indicated that they've requested several things of you in their meetings and you have had zero willingness to work with staff in order to hear their concerns in regards to the site but yet continue to press the site forward is of concern in itself so how can i put that back upon staff to say hey we this body feels like we need more than two dumpsters this body feels like the mail kiosk is here when sta

John, do you believe that issues that you've heard from us here tonight if we were to make those conditions of approval that this would be able to be worked through uh by yourself and additional staff at the city and dumpsters i think that's about it Okay. Sam, we're able to add conditions? Very well.

I'd like to see the playground, regardless of the age.

All right. Further discussion, questions, comments?

All right, thank you. Let's go ahead and open the floor for citizen comments. Any citizens that wish to make a comment, I welcome the courage to do so. And please come to the microphone and name and address for the record. Seeing no citizen comments, I am going to open the floor for a motion in regards to this item on our agenda.

individual dumpster for the restaurant most restaurants do have a dumpster and they fill them up so i know i had a concern in regards to some crosswalks we have additional dumpsters male kiosks Access and parking to the kiosk.

Anybody like to dare to craft a motion in regards to this item? I'll make a motion to approve subject to the additional following conditions one is the addition of a crosswalk and I will provide my drawing to staff that I have here indicating these points an addition of the crosswalk at the north northwest uh sidewalk connection as you come in off the north side uh crosswalk again um from the commercial uh to the uh to the parking lot um i'm going to include in that crosswalk section the extension of the sidewalk up to old beckwith road a additional make sure that is it an additional dumpster

is uh review the site plan for in light beckwith uh located at 12009 volunteer boulevard mr john all right volunteer boulevard

Questions, comments from the Commission?

Got a quick question for you. Are you tilt up on this? Yes, sir. So I got your color palette and everything back here, and then you're doing texture on top of it. is the are you using the smooth form tilt up then is the plan that is my understanding i mean from an architectural standpoint there may be some stamping for texture uh but i do believe it's smooth form okay so the text the texture would be applied during the application of the paint is it just paint or is it some kind of a stucco or drive it or i guess you know you can put the color out there But what is being applied? We just had a

Okay. Yeah, and just curiosity out of myself, how is it? We're just going to be a guy with a spray gun and spraying just direct Sherwin-Williams or Sherwin-Williams paint colors. So Sherwin-Williams paint colors to it. Or is he actually going to have a, you know, you actually got textured guns or materials or just adding that color to something out there. and a different type of spray on material that would give it that kind of finish like the old school stucco, you know, that's sprayed on as well, but then you put whatever color that you want to it, red, green, or purple, or whatever, and jus

Thank you so much. Seeing none at this time, I'd like to ask for assistance and comments. Any assistance we should make in regards to this item on our agenda, welcome. We encourage you to do so. Please come to the microphone and state your name and address for the record. Seeing no assistance and comments at this time, I'd like to ask for a motion in regards to this item on our agenda. Motion. And a second. All those in favor, signify by saying aye and raising your hand. Aye. Against? Abstentions? So approved. Next item up on our agenda is item 9E, to review the site plan for Hickory Station W

Well, thank you. Shane, anything from Public Works?

Ah, where would you like them to move the bike rack?

Seeing none at this time, let's call for citizen comments. Anyone wish to make comments, welcome, encourage to do so. Please come to the microphone and state your name and address for the record. Seeing no citizen comments at this time, I'd like to ask for a motion in regards to this item on our agenda. make a motion to approve subject to staff comments and the uh movement of the bike rack to a site as determined by our traffic engineer it's motion in a second all those in favor signify by saying aye raise your hand aye against abstentions so approved next item up on our agenda is a discussion

i don't think they're they're not really related to what we're talking about okay okay understood see one of the things that that i've had and and in my particular issues i mean you can see it it's not as evident as as i thought it was going to be but it is um the pmdp I mean, maybe it's as easy as saying your FMDP building locations have to be the same at FMDP.

It's funny how we don't see any of this PMDP to FMDP when it comes to a laid out subdivision. um we'll see a few but it's nothing really major out there you know your road is your road your your house is split off or your house is split off um i can't speak to one that is just a residential neighborhood that i've i said man this doesn't look anything like what we approved um and yet here we are in a 12-month time period that i can maybe three or four that that just don't know they come in selling a vision and and somewhere between pmdp and fmdp the vision is lost totally modified just doesn't

level that preliminary then a next step and then the final we've already got three we've already have a concept plan too you could submit a concept preliminary final site plan you know we're a little off the topic of land use anyway and i mean yeah there's probably trouble between holding them accountable but

i think the bigger concern with central pike is where do all those kids go to school right i don't know that wilson county has any land over over that way like they do off golden bear you know that is a perfect question for a county commissioner to answer and that's kind of that's right the central pike interchange you know i can see the the density staying north and or staying south of 40 and whatnot uh but then it's central pike moves up through there um and we get into some of our traditional properties some of our older age properties and and larger lots um i mean you know i wouldn't have

and I can only speak for me, but I think the rest of the Commission would probably say let staff work on this on what you were I think it's exciting what's going to happen on a Golden Bear, and I think that's going to add a lot of some things that we wanted in the city, and we're going to see that develop there. As far as apartments are concerned, I also understand where when you have so many apartments together, it can cause those types of troubles. But we, you know, there's some other places that we don't have apartments that would probably be good places to have an apartment. so i meet with

Yeah, one of the things that's coming to mind that kind of we don't think that things will happen out there. One of them, and you look at it today, you're like, man, why didn't we make this thing happen? The connection right there at now Volunteer Bank used to be F&M Bank. Everybody's like, oh, West Willis Utility ain't going to buy that property. It ain't going to be a boneyard or a scrapyard. an awesome opportunity to put our apartments right there at that location. And it is a bone in a scrap yard. We had a good traffic design, we had a good road design to come through there. We lost an opp

How many times do people come in here, and we give a positive recommendation, and how many times is it negative? So out of tonight, how many were negative? I know of one that I wanted to be positive. So how many of the others were positive? So where does it stop? We talk about that change, but we have the power to say, no, it's negative. A negative recommendation. So we have to look at ourselves, too. I agree. So...

Yeah, I agree. I get a lot of feedback from people, you know, we just do this where you just prove that this is, you know, you got property owners have rights and, um, um, we try to make a consideration towards that. What would be, um, so her two things let's cover first one first so what john said there so staff is looking at a um a potential regulation change uh right now and the regulation change would be kind of focused towards the multi-use category and particularly, or is it towards the multi-use category or is this towards gonna cover everything, really transition from PMDP, FMDP, every

And put better teeth into what transition from PMDP to FMDP. Would it include language kind of particularly towards this multi-use and i.e. the commercial? Because as we've stated here, we feel like the commercial is the worm on the back of a big hook. and that the commercial may or may not, as I feel like did that plan tonight. Unfortunately, I was in a position where I had to recommend it for approval, but their commercial looked like they just threw it up there and really, who cares?

Can we require, Sam, the commercial to be phase one of all of every one of them?

But they could, correct me if I'm wrong, like the one that we approved tonight, they could come in and just do the residential. Could they not? There is no requirement for them to do that commercial portion.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, personally, if I'm developing, I wouldn't do it. I mean, finding good tenants right now are, are pretty challenging thing in that world. Um, but finding people to buy apartment complexes are pretty easy in this world right now. Um, And so can we put, you know, just a requirement. Commercial must be completed in phase one of these multi. And I think that that potentially solves a lot of problems. And you don't even have to put triggers on COs. You just say, hey, commercial has to be done in your first phase.

Or just say it. Just say, I just want to build apartments only. Hell, I'd rather you do that. You know, then come in with one thing. Yeah, I mean, you know, I mean, I would have rather given that complex tonight a variance on parking because I think that the parking and the roadways just lacked thought and creativity and proper design. I don't even do it for a living.

Go ahead, please. Okay, so don't we normally put the traders on the preliminary master development plan?

Right? So that's where we do that most of the time. And as far as the commercial, a lot of your apartments are coming in where that commercial is underneath it, like down here at... And I wasn't here when it was approved. Vintage stations. Farland is what I'm thinking about. So, you know, in that situation, of course, the apartments obviously support whatever that commercial is down there. But there could be.

that could be brought up to do and that's that's something but i think it's at the preliminary master and also mcfarland is one i know they'll build their commercial their commercial will thrive on theirs um my issue with that one was yeah the apartments just didn't look complimentary well they're you know It's going to be awesome.

It is going to be. They're going to have the outside arena thing down there, whatever you call it.

But then you take this one that we had to prove tonight. I mean, you've got some guts if you develop that commercial portion. And quite frankly, I mean, so we really don't have anything that would require them to build the commercial portion of that. When was that approved originally? Six years ago.

to put on them right when it was coming when it came in and that's what i'm saying that i don't want it to be something that we have to bring in memory to say hey let's make sure we put it on let's just put it in the regs and throw it out there and say that you have to do the commercial but we could have that on preliminary to have say it could be for example triggers it could be and then it would be addressed every time it would you see

staying at the right way with each development versus having a blanket for everything might be a bit tricky but that's why we need the triggers on there and then we would address it it's uh give us the ability to grant variants so what commissioner franklin is saying though if you think about this they would make sure they had some tenants which would also take the off of our staff at the city to go out to try to find something coming in that would be part of it and it would you know and that and that they may alleviate some coming in it would reduce some coming in but we would have this and s

was just going to say commissioner giles your idea was good about having it as part of the staff report so it's always in there so you don't forget about it so it gets addressed every time so that is what would become so that's item one that's something that staff is going to work on and bring back forward to us and that would end up being a recommendation item back to the boc for zoning regulation amendment yes okay so is it the desire of the city for us not to form a subcommittee and not look at the land use plan?

Fair enough. So we brought that before the planning, and we voted on that from the planning standpoint as a discussion item to this body. So I'll turn it back over and say what would the will of this body be to defer that for 60 days? Is that acceptable? 90 days? A little bit more than that. 90 days? Just looking at, yeah, that'll give you a time to allow you guys to come to us.

That would be the will of the body? No objection to that? I'm necessarily not here to stir any pots.

We have not. We agreed at the last meeting to form a subcommittee to explore the land use plan.

just needs two more members appointed to her. We're just saying that we're not going to take any meetings or further action. It's kind of been held up. I had some personal family issues come up over the last three weeks very unexpectedly and running point on that family had to take priority in this circumstance and situation.

Very, very, very unfortunate. And if I may say, didn't didn't use Sprouse as an example. I mean, you know, didn't, didn't.

Did the commercial first. Look at all of it that's come out.

there are good examples and yes yeah and i think that i mean you know we mentioned that on land use plan i'm not against departments either because we do need the density and we need the the housing options and provided here and i agree with commissioner giles that we there's you know i wasn't necessarily in favor of the one up on donovan road when it came in but appears to work it's we're getting the traffic out of there we put some road improvements on donovan but there's times where it's a question but You know, it's not what I assumed or thought it was going to be. I really wish we would h