City Council - Regular Meeting

It is 6 p.m. on August 8th 2026 August 18th 2026 then call this Regular City Council meeting to order all council members are present so if you're able please rise for the Pledge of Allegiance

of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. I also want to acknowledge that we, the city of Lacey, are on the ancestral land of the tribal people of the Treaty of Medicine Creek, including the Nisqually Indian Tribe and the Squawks Indian Tribe. I also have an amended agenda recommendation. I would ask that the council add a new item 6B, our new council member recognition, the council member recognition and remove item 12A and the public works bidding process. So we're going to be adding 6B, council member recognitio

Whereas the city of Lacey stands beside and uplifts those who have lost loved ones to an overdose and those who have a substance use disorder and are diligently working toward recovery and...

Whereas overdose deaths are preventable and can be caused by alcohol, over-the-counter medications, stimulants, opioids, and other substances and...

Whereas, the City of Lacey is joined with other Washington communities in the One Washington Memorandum of Understanding to access funds vital to responding to the opioid epidemic in our community. Ann?

on behalf of the Lacey-Seale Council to hereby proclaim August 31st, 2026 as Overdose Awareness Day in the City of Lacey. I encourage anyone whose life has been impacted by a substance use disorder to call the Washington Recovery Helpline at 1-866-789-1511. Signed by myself, Mayor Andy Ryder on this date. And can we have Katie come up? Proclamation. Thank you so much.

Thank you. Go ahead. Before Katie leaves, I just wanted to say thank you. Your leadership on the Opioid Abatement Council was absolutely critical in getting that work done and would not have gotten done without your help. So thank you.

Thank you. So next up on our agenda is the new item, the recognition of Councilmember Nick Dunning. and also to accept the resignation of council member Nick Dunning effective at the adjournment of this meeting on August 18th, 2026. The council has been given a letter that Nick has written. This is please accept this letter as the formal written notice of his resignation from his position at effective end of this council meeting. As per our policy, We have a motion needs to be made to accept Councilmember Dunning's resignation, and I will make the motion that we do accept his, Councilmember Ni

It's been moved and seconded. We'll have some discussion. Go ahead.

I just have a question. So what if we don't accept it?

Yeah, this is... Do I get a vote? Yeah. Actually, this is really more of a formal process to really recognize Nick and for his service to the city of Lacey. This is a a council policy, it's not in law. But I was not here this last week when you made the decision to have this be your last meeting. And so I just want to be able to take this time to thank you personally for all the time you've put into the betterment of our community. I know very well, after my 17th year, of volunteering your time to the city of Lacey and to this council, not only for what happens here in the city of Lacey, but w

So, Nick, I think you know we had a pretty rocky start when you were running and we were running at the same time and didn't always get along real well. But I've learned to respect you greatly and really appreciate your friendship. I think we've become pretty close friends during this time. And I think what I admire most is that You come at every issue with your own thoughts, your own opinions. You're not parroting anybody else's. You're not taking a party line. You come in prepared for everything and ask a lot of tough questions, make people accountable. And I think that's the job of an elect

Well, I'll just make a few comments. I said some things last week, but I want to also say again to you how I haven't known you very long, but I've appreciated having you as my seatmate and for you being very generous with your advice. I appreciated the times that you backed me up or asked me questions. I know we don't always agree on housing and things like that, but what I really appreciated was you were willing to take the time to at least sit down and talk about it, and I really appreciated that about you. So, Nick, I wish you the best. Thank you.

Well, there is a emotion in a second. Um, all in favor of that motion signify saying aye. Aye. Does anyone oppose that motion passes unanimously. Nick, do you want anything? We actually have a couple gifts for you. Turn it over to Rick. Should I come over there? Yeah, go ahead. Bring it up to the dais.

I was joking last week about getting emotional, but this is a little different. I'll do something I don't normally do and try to keep this brief. I honestly don't feel like I have been here long enough to deserve any of this, but I'm definitely grateful and appreciative of the time. That I've had here, and thankfully I got to say a little bit of goodbyes last week. But I will say something for those who weren't here last week. One thing I've always wanted to do is say, Troy, whoa. Inside joke. But I've never been able to do that publicly. I greatly appreciate the time. And I'm a numbers guy, a

And for those of you who don't know Dr. Pepper, I'm actually allergic to water. That is what we call in our household dark water.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for all you. Thank you so much And with that Nick actually hats has to leave to get off to another planned event so Our next agenda I am is public comment. We did have one person sign up for public comment From a marriage on Halverson, please. Come on. I

See you on the 8th. Thanks, John. Thank you for all of your years of giving back to this community and you continue to give back to this community, which is absolutely amazing. John, it was a huge influence in my life. And I want to thank you again for everything you've done for our community. Okay, does anyone else wishing to address this council this evening? Seeing none, we did receive two written public comments that are part of the record. So our next agenda items, I have several appointments that are gonna happen and if without objection from this council, I'll do the first two together

We've been seconded. Is there any discussion?

Yeah. Okay, with that, All in favor of the motion, signify by saying aye. Aye. Is there anyone opposed? That motion unanimously passes and we have now reappointed Kevin and appointed TJ and John to their first term on the SOAR Commission. Our next is an appointment to Angela Christensen to the Library Board for her first term and I would move that we do appoint Angela to the Library Board. Second. We move and second it. Is there any discussion? Seeing none, all in favor of the motion, signify by saying aye.

Anyone opposed? Then that passes as well. Thank you, Angela. And then the last of the appointments is for Barbara Mock to be on our Parks, Culture, and Recreation Board, and I make that motion that we appoint Barbara to the Parks, Culture, and Recreation Board.

It's been moved and seconded. Is there any discussion? Seeing none, all in favor of that motion, signify by saying aye. Aye. Is anyone opposed? And that motion unanimously carries. Now, we do have John here and Angela and Barbara. If you guys want to come up and just introduce yourselves real quick to the council. I'm not the one putting you on the spot. No pressure. No pressure. We all know you, John. Come on, all the way up.

Angela, you want to come up and just introduce yourself real quick? Hi.

Great, thank you so much. Awesome. Thank you. And then Barbara?

Well, thank you. Thank you for stepping up and continuing to serve the community. We really look forward to your help. Okay, our next agenda item is our public art donation policy briefing.

So I've had this conversation, actually had this conversation with John because this is, it's the talk of the historic society donating a statue, but in this case, going into, agreed upon going into, it would be going into our Lacey Community Center, but we realized we didn't have a policy around this. In this case, it's a pretty straightforward because the statue is going to be inside a building that doesn't have really any maintenance at all. So to expect to have a, a, the donor at that point, I have to contribute anything. Uh, doesn't make a lot of sense. So a simple agreement, um, makes ju

I almost completely agree with you on that. The only exception I would think would be in something where it requires some kind of expertise to care for it, right? Like, for instance, the mural, like you said, right? I can't go out and fix the mural because, you know, I can't paint a straight line, right? You need an artist to do that. But, I mean, other than that, I mean, I think if we're going to accept the donation, kind of accept the responsibility of caring for it, And if it's something that we don't feel we can care for, we probably shouldn't accept that donation. Or maybe in that case, t

No, murals are different. I'd love to have a longer discussion about murals and having more of those in our community. That would require ongoing And there would probably be, they would need to show if somehow the city supported it and helped it, that there is some sort of committee that maintained it. But other than that, you know, I can't see. Anyone else?

I'm in agreement, too. I think you have to look at a case-by-case basis, but then I also would like to see some consistency in how we do that. I'm in full agreement that we should develop maybe an arts commission or some sort of committee like that. That would be fabulous.

It could be an ad hoc committee. It's not like we have someone trying to donate art to the city on a weekly basis or a monthly basis. We could form a committee as needed. It could be an as needed type thing.

So I agree. I do think there should be an agreement that spells all that out when we accept it, that, you know, this, because what we don't want is like in the case of the clue clock, Right. Where it's sitting there and needs some repairs and everyone's like going, okay, how do we do this? Um, and then you'd be nice to be able to go back and look at, well, here's what the agreement says. And so in a, in a case like that, um, there could be agreement says, you know, on any future repairs, it's a 50, 50 responsibility between, you know, we could figure that out, but leave that up to the ad hoc c

We have some pieces of art now, I know, like for instance, the military statue that we have, that the Rotary Club that donated it also maintains it. So I mean, you know, voluntarily, right? They go and do that. So I mean, I think there's a lot of different options on how to do this, but I think it's got to be a case by case.

I'm wondering if an Arts Commission can operate like an ad hoc committee because there may be some other things that that commission can do other than accept or screen artwork.

I would love to have the conversation about an Arts Commission and what that would take. I think that in some cases is another conversation that we need to have separate from this. But let me maybe go on. You have some more information? I do.

if it was based on overall benefit of the community.

It's discretionary, right? If it's too expensive, if we don't want to maintain it or can't afford to maintain it, we don't have to accept it, but we have the discretion to be able to.

But the sentence above that says because C must be able to provide proper storage and care, no objects requiring extensive or extraordinary preservation and care will be accepted, period.

I think that needs to be that. Yeah. I think you should just get rid of that at its discretion. The CMA request that the donor just get rid of. Yeah. For maintenance, just start with your highlighted at its discretion. The CMA request that the donor establish an endowment or a maintenance agreement for the object.

I mean, and then the proposed approvals for thresholds, I... I would like to think that any significant piece of art that's gonna come into our community, that this council would at least have a conversation about. There may be something that's right under, that costs less than $7,500 that you could approve, but you would think at that point there should at least be a conversation the council's having about an art piece or something major coming to the city of Lacey. That's just my opinion. Yeah, it's not an easy value.

No, like, yeah, how do you figure out what the value is of some of this stuff, too? So that's where it'd be nice if there was a process that any a piece of art that's been, it goes through a ad hoc committee that gets a recommendation to the full council. So all this stuff can be talked about.

No, I mean, you're right. I think if it's routine in nature, that's one thing, but I think if it's a piece of art that's going to go out into our community, it should go through a process regardless. I mean, because it could be something where I don't know. It could be a bunch of pigs and people don't like pigs. I don't know. I don't know. I think that this doesn't happen very often anyway. It's not like we're dealing with this on a regular basis.

for a recommendation or not. And that's when all those things can be discussed of ongoing maintenance, you know, all, all those things.

Yeah. With hopefully a council member being a part of that committee. Yeah. Where, yes, no?

like the library board, yeah. Okay, I think you've, yeah, or the store commission, right, depending on what it is, yeah. Okay, I think you got, do you got what you're waiting for?

See, that's why I think it's important that it goes through an ad hoc committee because it could be under $7,500, but it could also then be very controversial. And so for that to... not have gone through a process doesn't seem appropriate. I don't know.

And I don't want things being turned away, too, and say, oh, that might be controversial. I don't want to be in a circumstance like that. I like to go through a process before, yeah. Okay, I think you, do you have enough? Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.

I think... Yeah, it's not for so much a dollar amount in my case, it's more of like, there should be more than just a dollar amount process for approval. You know, so I'm still not, I'm not sure about that.

So I think we could fix that part with one word, really. So right now it's the city manager may bring it to a commission. How about it will bring it to a commission, resolves that, I think, and gets it in front of more people looking at it, whichever body that is. Sure.

I'm happy with that. I'm happy with that.

Okay. Not that we don't trust you, Rick.

But again, when you're making plans or policy, it's not for necessarily who the current city manager is. It's for the future of the city. And I don't know who the city manager is going to be five years from now, 10 years from now, right? And we don't know. Hopefully it'll still be Rick, but you know.

He could drop dead in like any second. Okay, let's go. First meeting back for a while. Yeah, let's see here. Okay, next up is our flag policy update, Shannon.

She had a quick question. At Rainier Vista, is it the three poles? It is a single pole. It's a single pole.

Is the Washington state flag not an approved flag?

Great. Lenny. So I have a question and a concern. My question is, so I know the policy where we have the three flag polls. What is the current policy then like for Rainier Vista where there's only a single poll?

Because I thought our policy on all of those flags that we approved, other than the U.S. flag, obviously, was only where there were three polls. That's how I thought the policy read previously that we had agreed on. Because we still, because where there's three polls, like here at City Hall, we fly the U.S. flag, obviously. We fly the state flag. And then on the third poll is where we fly the other flags. In replacement of the city flag, we fly the pride flag or the Juneteenth flag. But I've not seen anywhere where we've flown it on the same poll with the U.S. flag, where there was a single po

I don't have a huge issue with that. Where my bigger concern is is really on the city flag, not the flag polls, but the light polls, where we currently have the agreement with the Lions Club, who put up the American flags for the period of I forget the exact dates, but I know it's there for Flag Day, it's there for Memorial Day, Labor Day, you know, for that stretch of holidays, the Fourth of July. My concern is switching out the American flag for any other flag through that period of time I have a serious problem with, serious concern.

Well, that's their concern. poll, right? Well, no, there are polls. But there are brackets. There are brackets?

I believe there are brackets, and they're using our brackets to put their flags, because what this policy is talking about is allowing other organizations or other flags, other approved flags, to fly on those same brackets. Am I missing something there? That's what we're talking about, correct?

I guess where I'm still missing something is my understanding, because I've helped them put those flags up in years past, they fly them all over the city. I mean, I don't know that we have areas that they're not flying those during the holidays. And that's where my concern comes, because it just so happens that the timing of the other flags is during the time they fly those flags, right? Because Pride Month is June. Juneteenth is in June. That is during the period that they fly the American flags. So that's my concern. I would have a serious concern with us taking down the American flag to fly

But it sounds like what we're saying here is that the lions get first right. And if there's anything left over where the lions aren't Doing that.

But is that the case, though? I mean, because if we would be going into an agreement with anybody else flying these flags, is the existing agreement with the Lions Club going to take precedent over those other agreements? So they would have first right of refusal. That's not in their agreement at this point.

Within 60 days, I think that it's been tradition enough in this community that 60 days, they have the first right of refusal to put flags wherever they want during that. Formalize that, and I think we're going to be...

Right, we need to formalize that in the policy. It would be critical to me.

I would think it would make sense to leave it a little more open-ended in the sense of not necessarily naming the locations of the flagpoles, but city flagpoles, right? So that every time we add a new flagpole, we don't have to amend the policy like we're doing now for the police station or Rainier Vista. I mean, it would be, I would think it'd just be easier to make it for any city-owned flagpoles.

Yeah. Can we make that change too? Because you're right. It doesn't make sense coming back. We can add that, right?

And any future city flagpole. Correct. Adding that language so we don't have to come back and approve a new flagpole, a new, yeah.

No, I do think they do have a lot of places, but they've been main, it is a sort of a lacy tradition for a long time. You know, there are other, places, I guarantee you, that we could do this, that outside of the, we need to, here's what we currently have, you know, they can then, Sunrise Alliance, you know, basically say, okay, we want to use this mini, we need to take an inventory and know what the inventory is. And then, so, in the future, we could add to more flag, you know, to other pools or whatever. Yeah. Thank you, yeah.

In some of the years, I can tell you that AUSA and soldiers from JBLM have helped put up the flags because Sunrise Lions Club is, you know, they generally have gotten a little older over the years, the group that's there, and some of them are just not quite as able to put up the flags. So they've struggled with the volunteers to be able to actually put them up and take them back down. So AUSA and soldiers from JBLM have helped several of those years.

Okay. I think you got what we're looking for, right?

Perfect. Our next agenda item is the economic development update. Sarah.

So the two projects that are out by Northeast Lacey off the first roundabout, I also know there's a hotel going in there somewhere. Yeah. What's going up right now, are they both multifamily, and the hotel hasn't gone up yet, but?

Okay. I was wondering what they're gonna do that other spot.

I'm sorry, what is a Goldfish Swim School?

Yeah, where's the hotel then? I thought one of them was gone.

There is a lot of value of going out and actually looking at the project and knowing what each project is, where it's at, and its phase and completion because the public, we get this all the time as elected officials. It's like, so what's going on on this corner and that? Well, if it's... If it's gone through its normal process, we've never seen it. You know, if it's a part of the approved zoning, right, and it will not go in front of this council. And so it's nice to get a little more heads up on what's going on just because we get asked the question all the time and it's really tough like I

Especially all that northeast Lacey. It really is amazing. Every time I seem like I go over that side of the freeway, There's something new that's popping up, and so that area has expanded so much. Anyway, thank you.

I have a question. I think I went to the McClanahan Village. Yes. Okay, yeah. Is that the only senior housing project in the queue? In the queue.

Okay. Did someone in the area appeal it?

Thank you. Thank you, Sarah. And our next agenda item is the Council of Vacancy appointment process. Rick, if we need to jump in there.

I agree. How we dealt with that in the past is when we got the letter of resignation, they put the date on it. So that's what started the clock in the past, just for heads up.

So in this case, they must be a city resident for at least one year once the appointment's made. Correct. So they could right now be here less than a year, but by the official appointment date, if they're here for a year, then they qualify.

That's the only thing staff would be looking at.

We really won't know that until we see how many applications come in. Because if we have 10 applications come in, we can probably agree, have some sort of agreement of who we're going to interview at the mall. or get that done at night, but if we had 30, right, that might take a couple.

As I recall last time, if I could be correct, Hoffman, we had 13 or 14, though. We had a fair number, and we did interview all candidates, all applicants got interviewed. Yeah.

So what does that look like? I'm trying to catch up. Do we sit here, and then each of the candidates will come in here all together?

We all asked the same question. We each asked the same question of each candidate.

Yeah, and so what happened was, and how we typically did that is, we did it in order of when they turned in their application. And then we interviewed them all. Same questions, one at a time. It's on camera. Everything's on camera.

But the other candidates are held out in another room so that they're not hearing the answers, so that they're not getting any unfair advantage of hearing the people that go before them. Yeah.

I brought this up. This will be my fourth time going through this. The last two times were different than the prior two times. The prior two appointments, we did go to an executive session to talk about qualifications of each candidate. We decided the next two, either it was a recommendation from Dave or I'm not sure how it worked out, to skip that process.

And that's where I think it caused some confusion because without sort of talking about qualifications and hearing from each, you know, council members where they believed, you know, the qualifications to be council, we had no idea, right, what was going to... We had no idea where a majority of what they were looking for in a candidate come out. And so then... it was just the first person to get four votes was in. It was really, it did kind of throw everything off. But we've got to be careful. I don't want to break any rules, but I would prefer that there was an executive session where we did

The other thing that added a lot of confusion, not as much in the last one, but the one previous to that, was that council members voted for more than one candidate, more than one applicant. That created mass confusion.

Well, and that's how it goes, though. It's a person who gets four... First person get four.

So for consistency, do all council members need to be present? Yes. Okay. Some of them we could be online and some not?

It just becomes a little more difficult for logistics. I know, like, October, for instance, I'm gone part of the month. I'm sure other people have.

And I do think, you know, we need to get this out and get the applications coming and cut it off as soon as possible so we know how many applications we work with We may need a day to go through the applications and make a decision point at that point. Again, I do think the conversation about an executive session or not an executive session is really important. After going through this a couple of times, I would prefer the executive session. I just think we can have some sort of agreement the expectations of the qualifications for the next person, you know, because without that, I think it jus

I agree with that. You can feel it. I'll get the applications. We will. Individually?

The point you need sooner rather than later is the application questions, right? Right, which I'll have some slides coming up. Because then we have the time period that they're applying for us to work through the rest of this. Correct.

But discussing those qualifications, missing that the last couple times, I think it caused a lot of confusion because I think it's really important that the council sort of agree on what what we expect for the qualifications of the next council member is. And if you can't really have, if you can't discuss that at all, then it just, it's a, it left a lot of ambiguity during the whole thing.

Yeah, I was here for the last two. You did the one, I think you did one additional one, because I know because I was one of the applicants on that one. That's right. But in the two that I've been involved in, they were not the smoothest of processes, let's just say. It's a difficult process, no matter how you do it. There's no easy way to do this.

Yeah, I'm happy to have that conversation. I think where that becomes important is how many applicants we get. Hmm? If we get through a dozen or less, I think it's a little bit different than if we have 30 applicants. I think we have time to have those discussions. Let's focus on that sort of outline right now. This is one of those things that every council meeting between here and we're going to sort check in on where we're at and going along.

So that's where I'd agree with. If we have a bunch, then let's talk about maybe doing it that way. Because I think if we interview 30 people, I mean, that is... Is it that many, or is it always around? It totally depends. You know, one year we had like nine. We've had more than that. You know, we've whittled some down before. And so it's just I have no idea until we get the applications in.

Well, yeah, I think the outline here is pretty good. I think adding the, I think what, there's a couple step process here. There's this process to get their basic information and their vision, you know, tells us a lot, and then there's the questions we're going to ask during the interview process. And so we don't want, you know, we don't want those to overlap. And so those are, I think the meat and potato like questions of, of, of asking them, you know, what their thoughts are on X, Y, and Z that should be held off to the interview process. And this is more of a high level. What's your, what's

Yeah, I think that's a question we could ask during the interview process, but not necessarily here.

Well, I mean, again, if we're running for election, there is no, I mean, diversity is the decision of the people that elect the elected body. It's really not, I don't see it as a question that belongs on that application.

I mean, that's the only one I have an issue with. Yeah, I think that is a question for, but this is, again, different. than someone who's gonna be selected by the people, right? This is us making the decision and what do we see? What would we like to see as a council member representing the community based on the experience that we've had so far. And one of them is, will they fit in and be a productive member and can we work together? Not that we agree with them on everything, but can we work with them? And that's not always super easy to get out of in a small sample size, right? It's really h

That's an individual, personal deal compared to a basic, do you get qualified, high level.

If that's a question someone wants, puts on their list of questions that they want to ask.

Yeah. I think that's a, for a council member, that could be important where you want to make sure. And I think this has been a pretty good value on this council all along is we've we've tried to get a wide range of backgrounds and, you know, thoughts where we can, you know, may not all agree, but we can all agree to be, work together for the benefit of our community. So diversity is not just, the diversity of, you know, of ethnicity, you know.

Diversity of thought is necessary for a good... And part of it was... But that question isn't really about that. It could be. It could be, but...

I didn't come up with that, by the way. I appreciate you having my back on, I do ask that question. I was like, you know, during that interview process for our boards and commissions, the question was like, okay, what voice are we missing on? I've always asked that, you know, I asked that one to you. And so that's, I'm sure that's where that's coming from. But again, I think we can whittle that down better. If that's something that we can remove that one.

I think everything, I think we can learn a lot from, you know, why they want to run. what's their vision of the community, and what do you think are the biggest, right? I mean, that's a big deal, right? I think we'll learn a lot based on what, from there, and then we'll come up with interview questions and we'll dive a little bit deeper.

So do they ask us questions? We just ask them and they don't ask us anything?

We can change that. I think all of the interviews I've been doing for all these years, at the end of all the interviews, I always ask, is there anything you want to ask us? Right. And so I think that can be maybe a question that we ask at the end of it. I mean, I think we can talk about that more in the future. I've always asked it because I've always learned a lot about that, you know. And we do it on advisory boards. On advisory, I always ask that.

And is this timed? I mean, do we say for each applicant, we've allotted 20 minutes or whatever?

Depending on how many applicants we have. Yeah, it depends on the applicants.

No, and I think, again, a lot of that will come to light once we see our applicant pool and know how much time, because then we're going to be able to figure out, okay, can we do this in a night? We'll take two nights. so on and so forth, you know.

Yeah, I get that. I was asking because I know in conducting interviews, sometimes people, some people talk a lot. Yeah. And then other people, not so much. And so I want to make sure that the process is at least there.

Well, you're right. Um, we've had this discussion back and forth on this council many times on, are we looking for someone? just to fill this out and that's all we care about? Or are we looking for someone who we believe, you know, does want to run again and not just be a placeholder? And that's a discussion that I think, you know, we can, you know, it's a tough question.

But it could be a question that we do in an interview rather than that if everyone's not comfortable with that question because there are, and Andy and I have had that conversation in the past when we've had these, Some people feel it's important that we put someone on who is planning on doing this for a long time, and others don't. Other people think that it's better to fill the spot, whether they're running or not is irrelevant and shouldn't be part of the decision.

You know, and again, that's why I do think it's nice to talk about qualifications, and we can have that argument, you know, we can have that over qualifications, is this something that we think is important or not, right, you know? But we haven't had that. opportunity last two times because we just didn't have it. We went interview and right into vote. It was like,

Also, serving for that time period until May of next year, if they get appointed now, serving until May may have a big influence on whether they want to run or not once they see what that experience is.

Yeah, I was going to, but I don't know about you.

I have one last question. So if for some reason we select a person and they're not able to finish the year, do we start this process all over?

Yep. If they resign again, then yeah, we have 90 days to appoint someone and start all over again. But we'll have a practice run. We'll have a practice run.

Are we leaving or removing the interested in running questions?

Not that they have to, it's just not a point that they're interested in or not.

Yeah, I would support removing this question first.

I appreciate your patience tonight answering all these questions.

Yeah, I think It just gives us more time to get through it all

The last time we did it was three weeks. Yeah, I think it's always been. It's always been three weeks from what I can remember.

What's interesting, if I remember right, we got a couple applications right at the beginning and then a bunch of applications right at the end.

But I think that would be the same whether you did two weeks or whatever amount of time you did. They're all going to tend to come in that last part of it, whatever it is, I think.

We'll do three weeks. I like your enthusiasm, though. Okay, so thank you, council, so we'll get this going, and we'll start to see what this process starts looking like. Do you have anything under your city manager report? I do not tonight. Okay. I don't have anything under my mayor's report either. Council, is that the order? I do not have a report. No report. Everyone was off this past month.

Pure water is pure water at the end of the day. It's a Chemical compound wherever it came from exactly so and inner-city transit authority meets tomorrow night Next week on that I did I did blow it under my mayor's report and that this really has to do with the next item council member Nick Dunning's His meetings right and so Until we have a new council member and we can talk about then I Ryan, you're the backup on RHC. You're the backup on the VCB. There's one other that we don't have a backup for, which is for left. Left board. Left board.

Only meet quarterly. And it would be my recommendation for Council Member Turner to fill in on that. You're already on the law and justice. committee. You only meet quarterly. I know back when you put in your original recommendations, you actually that was higher on your list, if you remember right. But anyway, I think it just makes sense if you're willing to do that on a quarterly basis.

And I can fill you in more on that because I chair that for many, many years.

I don't know how it's going to go, who the new person is going to be, but my situation has changed and I am interested in being the backup for the housing.

Okay. Yeah, we need a now backup for the housing.

Councillor Turner to be the left board, I would make the motion that we appoint Turner to the left board. Second. Is there any discussion? All in favor of that motion, say aye.

Do we need a motion for Ryan for RHC? No, no. Because he's already the backup. He's the backup.

You're the backup for BCB. We do need a backup for RHC. Okay. Okay. I make the motion to have you be the backup for AHC. Second. Move and second. Discussion?

Any opposed? That motion unanimously carries as well. Thank you for stepping up. We will reassess all this when we get a new council member selected, but in the meantime, thank you for this. We're not gonna have a lot of time between that and the end, and what we'll probably do is, usually we do appointments for two years in the past. We'll probably look at reappointments back in January for the following year for boards and commissions. I may step down from TPP, I don't know. Anyway, we'll discuss that at that time. Do we need to also prove Ryan is stepping up to be no no because he He's alre

I would move Andy be the backup for the VCB.

Second. Moved and seconded. Any discussion? All in favor of the motion, say aye. Aye. Anyone opposed? That passes unanimously.

We don't have backup for left one either, which is why we had to do this. We can figure that out when it comes. Okay, well, we did some house cleaning there, housekeeping there, got all that. Okay, then we'll go on with council reports. Council member Turner.

I don't have a report, but I want to say again that I really, really enjoyed the community conversation, and thank you, Barbara, again for coming out and joining us.

Great, thank you. And with that, we've reached the end of our agenda. So without objection, I'm gonna call this council meeting adjourned. And as always, you keep it classy, Lacey.