Transportation Committee - Regular Meeting

all right the reason opportunity to be heard is now open the reason opportunity to be heard is now open if you have Business, comments regarding an agenda item that you would like to be heard on, please approach the podium. Give me your name, your address, and I'll give you two minutes, and then we'll be done with it. All right, no one approaching. Reason of opportunity to be heard is now closed. Madam Attorney.

It's been moved by Commissioner Bastian, it's been seconded by Vice Chair Regalado. All those in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Those opposed, show the agenda adopted. First order of business is running in order.

1G1, public hearing on 1G1 is now open. Public hearing on 1G1 is now open.

It's open, public hearing is open. Anyone want to be heard and put once you want to come forward public hearing is now closed on once you want I see you right here like you don't want to speak look like you did because I don't really want you to but regular.

I'm asking the attorneys. So I'm asking them to speak out of turn.

Yeah, there's no prohibition against telling me what the amendment is in a properly noticed meeting at my committee. So what's the amendment? Yeah. Because I can make the amendment for her. Right. Yeah.

All right, let's roll this item. Let's not. Let's push to the end of the agenda. Now to the end of the agenda. To the end of the agenda. Then someone talk to the commissioner. All right, let's go to the next item.

Public hearing on this item is open. Public hearing on this item is closed. Move it. It's been moved by Commissioner Regalado. Vice Chair has been seconded by Bastien. It's an ordinance. Any questions? Anything the administration wants to add? Hearing nothing, call the roll.

I'm hearing on this item is open, 1G3 is open. Public hearing on 1, 2, 3 is open. No one's approaching. Public hearing on 1, 2, 3 is closed. Administration, I guess this is your item.

Well, first you asked for us to pass it.

I don't necessarily have a problem, but somebody help me with this. There's like a new procedure for waiving something, right?

So I don't mind signing the memo, but you're asking to waive it, so you actually have to prepare the memo for us to forward it. So we have to provide an explanation. And I think the explanation probably has to be not only why it needs to advance, but why It's just coming now. I think that's what it has to be. So it's not as easy as it was before. But I don't mind that. But let's get through passing it first. Yeah. No questions? I'm moving. It's been moved. It's been seconded. Call the roll.

Yeah, there's one thing. Where's that item that I, where's Stacy at? Stacy, what's the item that I added on for you? The underline. The underline. Yeah, we can take everything together. I just want to be shown no on that. I added on.

Yeah, but I'm going to be shown no on that one. So we'll take the balance of that, I guess the agenda without that, and then- I'll move the balance of the agenda with the exception of 3K. All those in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Those opposed? All right, so that passing and now moving- 3K. It's been moved by and it's been seconded by- All those in favor, signify by saying aye.

Sure, sure we can do that. Is someone actually calling the commissioner's office? I'm just out of an abundance of curiosity. Abundance of curiosity. Good for you all. All right. Okay. Good. Good one. My man. All right. Let's go. Budget. Madam Director.

Director, hold on for a second. Let's stop here for a second. You talked about a shortfall. And I appreciate describe for us exactly what you mean by shortfall. Because the way I understand our transit system right now we're not we don't have a shortfall we were designed in a way that requires us to supplement from the general fund transportation shortfall seems to indicate that there's something we could do to make that up. And I don't know that there there is SOMETHING THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY DO TO MAKE IT UP. I THINK OUR SYSTEM AND PUBLIC TRANSIT GENERALLY THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY IS NOT DESIG

Chair. I agree with you that obviously no public transportation system in this country that I know of, of major size, can operate without, it cannot break even. That's just a reality. But I want to point out something that we've talked about before, the difference between transit and traffic, and your department has to deal with both. We can argue till the end of the day about whether it should or shouldn't, but the reality is a large part of this county deals with traffic. The other part deals with transit. The issues to the east traditionally have been more referenced transit, but to the wes

Okay, I mean that's a big concern because a lot of times we're talking about things like the underline and I support it, I have no problem. large, vast part of this county, and not just my district, I'll be honest with you, going south to the west is impacted. Even in Commissioner Gilbert's district, it's a combination of both. It's not just a matter of one. So I think that that's something we need to really kind of focus on and not always make it eastern-centric as it is. And talking about these old, old, old things that have been approved and what happened to them. The bus depot on 14th and

Okay, perfect. I appreciate it because I look and this is not a criticism. Anybody that's been here before God bless them. I'm sure they're watching. They can enjoy it. But the reality is one of the big problems that I've seen. And now, as our chairman goes on to bigger and better things. Bigger, I don't know they're better, but they could be bigger. The reality is that a lot of times the headaches that we inherited have been around for 20 to 25 years, including the transportation plan. Because I think Chairman Gilbert remembers that we were probably both in local elected office when this plan

That's great. You know, it's interesting, the memo the administration produced about I think the funding possibilities, that's something I requested for rapid mass transit is an interesting thing. It's especially interesting when we compare it with the possibility, well, we analyze it under the context of how much we supplement transit through the general fund. And then we add in the possibility of reducing the general fund with property tax reform. So we've been thinking about this from the perspective of rapid mass transit. The question isn't going to be rapid mass transit alone. The questio

THEY'RE PAYING 11 CENTS TO 12 CENTS. LET'S SAY 12. THEY'RE PAYING 12. 12 CENTS OF EVERY DOLLAR IT TAKES TO ACTUALLY RIDE THAT BUS. So this board and this administration is not recommending an increase in the rate right now. But in truth, we're going to need to find what we believe to be the appropriate balance. So we know it can never be 100%. We know that. Is it 50 cents on every dollar? Is it 60 cents on every dollar? Is it 70 cents on every dollar that we're going to supplement it? So in other words, the people who are using it, and just whatever it is, it is. But the conversation needs to

Just one thing. When we look at impact fees, municipalities collect impact fees too. The one we're in now collects them. So their responsibilities also have to be, you know, we've got to, it's not a one-way road for, and unfortunately to the west where we do need roads, in particular in areas that this county allowed, the city of Hialeah to annex. any growth there within the UDB. You know how I feel about the UDB. I think it's got to be looked at and we got to stop with this 52 years we can't talk about it. If it's a bad word, because everybody should be at the table. The environmentalist, you

Okay. Okay, hold on. It's not super quick. Bermuda, is it going to be super quick what she says? Does anybody think it's going to be super quick? Anybody? Bueller, Bueller?

Okay, thank you. well we need to have this conversation okay hold on all right so my turn uh i i agree that we need to i think they called the golden passport for the seniors um we need to keep this it free we we still have golden yeah i know i know 40 of our patrons pay either nothing or half price fares So I know that's why I was in the middle of a sentence, but it's thank you. Yeah, I think we need to keep that in place, but then you probably need to look at raising the rate on other people. So you probably need to look at a 50% increase. I mean, we're going to keep it. It is not a free rid

Mr. Chair, thank you. I totally agree with you. We have to have the discussion. You know, I... The half penny went the wrong way from the beginning. None of us here had anything to do with that. Well, we did, but we didn't. But sadly, it went the wrong way from the beginning. But I think when those decisions were made during the crisis of 2008, you know, obviously people lost confidence because when you use money that you promise for something on something else, the voter says, well, you fooled me once, you're not going to fool me again. And this is what we're talking about when we talk about

Let me ask you a question. On the TED, you were all rating the TED. Why wouldn't it just be a loan?

Now, we've never talked about it being alone. Because you did that Alabama thing where you didn't actually answer the question. And so because former trial attorney over here, I'd like you to answer the question first. Then you can go into the soliloquy. why is the rating of the TID not a loan from the TID to the general fund? So right now, like last year, you just took the money. It's like strong arm robbery. But the loan is like you borrow the money. So you can, over time... Pay it back. I know when I was in Miami gardens at one point before I got all the development kicking, the general fun

Well, but then you also don't know what happens, right? So the RTZ eventually... So the challenge with the RTZ, and when she talks about we need to look at it, what can we do with it, we understand what the challenge is, is that the people along the corridor in the south don't actually want to build density. And so we've left the option for us to come back as a county and impose it if we want to. So future boards can actually impose that, because zoning is our right. We believe that. But we haven't gone that route. But things will happen, and there will be... more money that comes in. The ques

All right. To the attorney. Do we have language from the commissioner that we can read to us? You can read to us, see if we can amend the item, get it out.

Show the item amended. Okay. And then I'll need a motion on the item. Moved by Regalado. As amended. As amended, seconded by Bermudez. All those in favor, signify by, is it an ordinance resolution?

No, no, no, no, no. Don't let her say that she's committed to helping transit because all of us are committed to helping transit while you're gone. She's trying to butter you up.

Really credit Stacey with this. She called at 7.41 in the morning.

I did. It's called caller ID. She calls a lot less frequently than you do. So you can wait until 10. If she's calling at 741, it is a pressing issue. I might have a bus on fire. Something might be going on if she called at 741. So I guess we'll move it ahead. Thank you. You got to draft a memo and the chairman has to. Happy birthday. Thank you. But let's remember the chairman's office has to approve this. I am not. I'm just recommending it to. All right. Thank you all. Yeah. So anything additional? All right. Need a motion to adjourn? So moved. Show us adjourn. Thank you.