Board of Commissioners - Regular Meeting

All right, good morning everyone and welcome to the first regular meeting of the Fulton County Board of Commissioners in March. Today is March strike day, August 5th, 2026. It is 10.03 AM. Madam Clerk, please call the roll.

Thank you, Madam Clerk. Please rise for the invocation followed by the Pledge of Allegiance.

Amen. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Continue, Madam Clerk.

Any items? Commissioners? All right, entertain a motion to adopt the consent agenda. A motion to do so by Commissioner Thorne, seconded by Commissioner Barrett.

So it's being removed for further review, and it's coming back?

So it will appear on a future agenda. Yes, sir. And the one on page 90416...

That was my agenda item from last meeting that I had asked to have held. I need further information. I did not intend for it to come back this time. That was an oversight on my part, so I apologize.

All right. Any other items? All right. Motion to adopt as amended by Vice Chair Abdur Rahman, seconded by Commissioner Thorne.

All right, a favorable motion by Commissioner Barrett, seconded by Commissioner Thorne.

Family and friends want to join us as well. Welcome, welcome.

Gather around both sides. Somebody can step in and take photos if you want. We'll send you the

Yeah, come on. We got plenty of good room. It is truly a pleasure to be able to present this proclamation today to Mr. Leah Parker. I met her, wow. at least 20 years ago. I don't want to date either one of us too far back. But she has been working in the community for a while and continues to work all throughout North Fulton and Fulton County and the state of Georgia is better for all of her contributions. The proclamation reads as follows, whereas to lay a Parker's commitment to community advocacy began at just 12 years old as a candy striper for the VA hospital. But his deepest roots stem fr

With Destiny Drake and her family and friends, please join us. This is a very special moment in Fulton County. Ms. Drake is what I call somebody who is definitely walking in her ordained footsteps. Whereas Destiny Drake is a faith-driven community leader, educator, entrepreneur, and servant who has served as executive director of His Word Outreach Ministries International, incorporated since October 2025, And whereas before her current role, Destiny founded Zion Academy of Georgia, a private Christian school in Atlanta with an emphasis on academic excellence, character development, and individ

So this is the public hearing on this? Is there a presentation or anything associated with it? Here's Dr. Plesche. Okay. Hold on one second. Is this the quarterly report or the public hearing? This is the public hearing. And then the quarterly report follows. Okay. Okay. All right, let me open the public hearing. Anyone from the public here to speak on the public hearing? First of all, they will hear from the good doctor. Maybe someone will show up. You have the floor.

All right, Commissioners, any questions? On the fees. All right. Anyone from the public here to speak on the fees? Anyone from the public? All right. I'll close the public hearing. Any other comments?

Doctor, thank you. I know I don't know you personally, but I do have a few friends that know you from your days with the CDC, and they speak very highly of you. So I just wanted to let you know that I appreciate that the background work that I did on you, so to speak, spoke to someone who not only has a very strong work ethic, but you believe in community. And so I appreciate that. I have a great appreciation for that. I just want to reiterate some of the things that I know that you all already do and you will continue to do. In communities of color, we know that chronic diseases hit us much h

All right, Commissioner Ellis. Thanks, Mr. Chair, and thank you for the update. Good to see you. Just a few questions to start with. Is there any... sort of consistent data or data dashboard that you all are publishing regularly or is it generally brought up more in the context of overall state data?

So I know when you all are doing these community health assessments, health systems also generally do these as well, right? Which has sort of always sort of confused me because you've got multiple entities kind of doing the same work. So I'd be interested in terms of as you all are doing the assessments, and maybe this is sort of across the state, how is there coordination there with what those health systems are doing so that you got something that's sort of the most informed pieces of information?

All right. Well, and continuing on sort of the coordination theme, sort of outside of even just assessment and all that, how do we in Fulton County, how are we coordinating with the various health systems? And I guess certainly we've got a lot of them within our footprint, but we have one that we have obviously a very tight tie with from a health standpoint being Grady. How does sort of that coordination working and can you give us some examples of kind of how we sort of concretely are partnering together specifically with Grady and or any other health system?

Obviously, the concept and notion of food insecurity comes up frequently, and it's a it's a phrase that's sort of used kind of in many different ways. I guess sort of one of the concerns that I've had, can we look at or say we've got that aspect, right, of food insecurity, and there's some real true things that are there, right, that people are just lacking food, right? But the other end of the spectrum, we've got sort of this outlay of chronic disease, cardiovascular issues, and that sort of stuff. which underlying that many times is not food insecurity. It's the food that we're all consuming

I throw this out there in terms of just as we're on this, before I forget about it, and certainly we've got this... nice facility that's open in North Fulton where, you know, hopefully have a, you know, future facility of very similar nature and just as nice, maybe even nicer in South Fulton. You know, but within the frameworks of those, it's, you know, there are opportunities for us to do, you know, kind of promotion, outreach, bring people in, teach, right? And one of, in the concept of food as medicine, one of the, you know, good partners that we have had in Fulton County who has really don

Yeah, that's an excellent point. And I think on the communications piece, and I know we have sort of, you know, by our very nature, we have sort of our two different communication arms, but you know, you all stuff you do, and we have stuff within the county and I do, um, you know, more of an opportunity to do and engage with that and collaborate on that sort of particular component I think is, you know, is important, um, and critical and getting in a cadence of it. Right. You know, um, to where it's something like that. So I think that that's something I hope I'll reiterate to our external aff

Doctor, I'm glad that you talked about that because at one point for transparency, Fulton County did struggle with the health inspectors. My office did get the calls. And so I got a great appreciation that we are not where we were at one time, but I do think it's an area that we probably need to revisit to make sure that we have enough appropriate funding. because that is an area to me that has grown so much in the county from one end to the other. And the needs not only of going in, doing the inspection, it goes back to what I said before, education. business owners open up a business, they o

Why don't you, I mean, I'm on the board, so bring him up so they can see him. He does a great job. Come on up.

Well, I'm very familiar, and I sing his praises as well. So he was the one that really, really helped us through the crisis. And so thank you personally on my behalf. I really want to thank you because I know you all were double-timing it, and you all were really, really, I would say, on the firing line. And so I want to thank you and let him know all superheroes don't necessarily have on capes. Right. So I appreciate the work that you've done.

And I also want to give... I want to give Fullerton County kudos because the work that we're doing, that you all are doing, thank you, is phenomenal. Are we where we would hope to be, aspirationally? No. But when I travel nationally, I promise you, you all are doing wonderful work. And I hope it will be a day that we come down here and we say it's been eliminated and all of this stuff that comes with that. But sometimes... We live in a bubble, we see what's in our area and we complain and we don't show appreciation. And so I just wanna take this time to show the appreciation for what Fullerton

I've been advised that we're spending too much time on this.

Well, you know, I'm going to spend as much time as I want to for a county issue. that we do for city issues. So anybody got a problem with it? Okay.

All right, Commissioner Errington. Thank you. Great conversation and information. I've been getting questions about, and I don't believe you guys are directly responsible for this, but I imagine that you may have some information to share. A sterilization center on Bow Rock Road and the ethylene oxide that is transmitted from there, I believe it's directly state EPD that oversees that, but I don't know if there's any environmental information that you guys may have as it relates to that or if you keep track of it.

All right, so then we need to get, I guess, updates from them as it relates to that facility. Yes, sir.

Commissioner Arrington, I'm sorry. Somebody did bring that to my attention last night at the National Night Out. So I'm glad that you brought that up. And they were saying that they had been in contact with the state of Georgia because I think the state of Georgia also has some kind of regulations over that as well. And so, yes, thank you for bringing that up because they brought it up at the National Night Out in Collier Heights last night.

Yeah, just as far as getting the reports, I don't know how those reports go out, and it may be good for us to make sure that we are helping spread that information. Right. Will do.

All right. Thank you, gentlemen. See you next quarter.

Thank you, sir. Appreciate that. We're not going anywhere. Trust me. Y'all don't go anywhere just yet either. We got another item. Oh, okay. All right, we're gonna continue till we get to page nine here. It's about 1142. Let's continue, Madam Clerk.

All right, I did actually, doctor, before y'all leave on the fees stuff, I'll ask a question while you're walking down. I know you had the slide in here, but I do think, it would be useful to talk about the methodology you went through in terms of how you arrived at these, how we say that these are fair, valid, and in line with other jurisdictions. These are fees that real people are having to pay real businesses and so forth, right? And so understanding that these are These are fair and in line with other jurisdictions and how you got there.

Are there any on here that you would deem to be material changes or these are more kind of on the margin type items?

It just wasn't adding up. So that's a re-inspection, and then there were some tweaks where we had lowered a few items.

Can't have enough septic inspectors, right? Yeah. That's important. Yes. Okay. All right. So, that's helpful, just some background, so that we... have a little bit better insight in what we're actually voting on and approved here. Right, I understand.

No major deviations if you were to kind of present that and show that to us. Right, no major deviations, no sir. All right, thank you.

All right, Vice Chair, up to you, Rockwell.

Thank you, Chairman. I'm always gonna take the opportunity to educate people, even if it's someone sitting on this side. What you all did, and I have a great appreciation for it because I educate myself and I ask questions. You all, now you can't say it, but I can say it. You all were going back sometimes two and three times and were not charging.

And so that was adding to the workload that you all were dealing with. And so I commend you all for, you know, bringing that forward because what other counties were charging for after, I believe, two visits, you all were doing three and sometimes four visits. So I appreciate you seeing that that need to be done. And also I appreciate you bringing those fees within line. Yes, ma'am. And so here, what does it go back to that E word, education? And some of us on this side sometimes need to be educated with what you all do and how really vital what you all, the information that you bring down her

Well, I had three questions, but in the interest of time, I'm not going to ask them.

All right. The... There's a motion on the floor to approve. Motion to approve by Vice Chair Audrey Rockmont, seconded by Commissioner Barrett. Let's vote.

Continue, Madam Clerk. Thank you. Thank you.

All right, a motion to approve by Vice Chair Abdur-Rahman, seconded by Commissioner Barrett.

I have a motion to approve by Vice Chair Abdur-Rahman, seconded by Commissioner Arrington.

All right, motion to approve by Vice Chair Abdur-Rahman, seconded by Commissioner Barrett.

All right, motion to approve by Vice Chair Abdur-Rahman, seconded by Commissioner Barrett.

A motion to approve by Vice Chair Abdur-Rahman, seconded by Commissioner Barrett.

All right, it's 1151. We have quite a bit to discuss in executive session. It's gonna take a couple of hours, I'm estimating. And Commissioner Thorne is on her way back. So I entertain a motion to recess for lunch and executive session. We may take up items of real estate litigation and personnel.

Madam Clerk, all right. All right, Madam Clerk, let's continue. Madam County Attorney, items from Executive Session.

Motion to approve by Commissioner Barrett, seconded by Commissioner Ellis.

Is there a motion? Motion to approve by Commissioner Barrett, seconded by Commissioner Arrington.

Motion to approve by Commissioner Thorne, seconded by Commissioner Barrett.

Back on page 10. Could I take a point of personal privilege? I had to step out of the meeting, and I just wanted to know that Fulton County received an award from Johns Creek Chamber, a Bridge Award. They just wanted to honor us and the work we've done, select Fulton, the commissioners, and everybody. So I just wanted everybody to know that this is their award that they received today.

It's being able to work across party lines, city lines, working together for the best of the community.

All right, the motion to approve by Commissioner Ellis is seconded by Commissioner Arrington. Commissioner Thorne.

I was just wondering, since there's several boards that haven't met for two years, are we going to look at those as well, or do we wait for the department heads to come to us and tell us that they'd like it dissolved?

I mean, if there's something you want to pursue, I guess you would look at it. I just brought this up because the clerk had sent us a notification that they had met in several years and that the work was being handled by... you know, a different group. And yeah, I think somebody had also even recently made an appointment to it. So to sell, we just need to administratively close this. So I think clerk can provide you with information on any other ones. I don't, I'm not sure that there are a whole lot more recently made an appointment.

I made a recent appointment, but there hadn't been an appointment made since like 2015, but I have other boards that I haven't made appointments for that were like 2015, 16, 17 appointments, but didn't see a need for it. But somebody had come to me asking to be on it. And so I'm like, sure, why not? We have the board.

Commissioner Arrington? I'm sorry. Commissioner Ellis, you still have the floor.

No, I just say, well, this is a process to do it. I mean, if there's something that administratively needs to be closed. I mean, I know we have some that haven't met, but they statutorily still have to exist. So we do have a few of those in the unincorporated area.

Commissioner Arrington? At one point, we had some 160 plus boards. Half of them never met. We got rid of a bunch of them, and there's still about 60. We'll probably pare those down to about 20, to be honest with you. Continue? Actually, let's vote. All right, let's vote. The motion is to approve by Commissioner Ellis, seconded by Commissioner Harrington.

All right, motion to approve on Commissioner Ellis. Is there a second? Seconded by Vice Chair Abdur-Rahman. Commissioner Ellis.

Just real brief, this is a procedural item too, just so we've had issues with this in the past where we've had use other measures, motions to deny, file, that sort of stuff, and just clarify that when they're clearly for no votes on an individual item, that the item's not gonna come back. If there's three votes or two votes or whatever, there's a non-conclusive one direction or the other, then obviously it would continue in that practice.

All right, motion to approve by Commissioner Ellis, seconded by Vice Chair, Dr. Rockbond.

All right, motion to approve by Commissioner Ellis, seconded by Vice Chair Abdulrahman. Commissioner Ellis.

Yeah, just to quickly outline the bones of this resolution, we've operated with a budget commission for an extended period of time, for a certain portion of time that was CFO, chairman of the BOC and the county manager, The board at that time looked at that process and felt like that there was deficiencies around that and moved to another process where the proposed budget assimilation, obviously adoption of the budget all rests with us, where that budget commission was changed and that budget process development and so forth and presentation was just shifted back to, county manager or shifted

Seeing as I don't know the budget process prior to having the budget soundings that we have now, I just have a few questions. As a commissioner, would me and my staff still be able to attend the meetings that they have? Okay, so it's an open meeting, and will there be any quorum or anything like that required? During it, no, okay, because it's just an informal budget hearing meeting, kind of like the budget soundings.

Right, if we had multiple commissioners there, then that would require somebody to have to step out. We've always had that process.

Okay, okay. And then I was just curious, like you have someone from the north and someone from the south. Should the chair be involved as well or just the county manager in this seat? Like what was the decision-making process there?

To bring geographic balance to it, I think we had a process where we just had, you know, a singular individual and I think that there were flaws with that in terms of just a view that there were not enough multiple perspectives that were brought to the table unless you would have parties from both sides. I mean obviously everybody is gonna have continued sort of engagement in the budget process and providing input. You're just gonna have two people that will be representative to sort of bring that forward into those discussions about hey, how do we wanna frame this up in terms of the ultimate

Okay, that's it. That's all the questions I have, thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In general, I agree very much with the premise that is outlined in one of the early whereas clauses in this resolution that says that commissioners should have early and ongoing input into the budget preparation. This is something that I think we've talked about off and on over the entire four years I've been here, and I do think it BUT I DO HAVE SOME GENERAL QUESTIONS. JUST TO BE CLEAR, I KNOW YOU SORT OF ANSWERED THIS, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. THESE MEETINGS, THESE BUDGET COMMISSION MEETINGS WOULD BE SUBJECT TO OPEN MEETINGS?

What we do, that when we have budget presentations by just as we have always had, right, whether it's in the prior process or the other process, you know, any commissioners or staff are welcome to sit in there and listen to the presentations, those budget presentations by those individual departments.

By the open meetings law is what I'm saying. They were not set up as open meetings, you know, last year. It would be the same process in terms of the budgetary. The manager staff would decide, you know, the cadence for bringing in individual departments, do their budget presentations, that sort of stuff, just as they have done. I don't think we advertised those particular sessions as open meetings because we did not have a quorum of the Board of Commissioners there, and we do not have a quorum of the Board of Commissioners sitting at these either.

No, but we are forming a new committee, essentially, or a commission that itself you know, now as a more formalized body, in theory, and I'm not a legal expert on open meetings law, but it does seem like it might cross the line a little bit. So I don't know if we can get a legal opinion on whether or not it would need to be open meetings or not, if it's a formalized body.

The group has no formal ability to adopt a budget. I mean, they're just coming back and assimilating a proposed budget back to this body. We will adopt it.

Yeah, well, I hear you. And I just want to make sure that we're not doing something that is not, you know, by the book as it relates to that. And can I get an opinion from legal on that, please?

Okay, I don't know that you're answering my question, but okay. Is a formalized committee or commission, a subcommittee, if you will, of the Board of Commissioners, is that subject to open meetings? And if you don't have the answer now, that's fine. It's a question I have. I recognize that I don't have the votes to make a difference here, but I do think it should be examined.

Well, if it's interpreted that when we do meet that there need to be notice and have open meetings, we'll do that.

So my question also, just aside from that, which I do think is something we should get a solid answer to, is if that is not the case and it is not subject to open meetings,

Well, we can have them run it down. I mean, I've been doing this for 12 years, and I don't think we noticed those meetings when we had individual budget hearings before.

No, no, I don't think we have either, but we also haven't had a formalized committee or commission.

We did. Well, we did. No, I know. We've had formalized budget commissions. We've had budget ordinance. We've had budget commissions. We've had a budget commission where the commissioner said no.

Okay, in any case, I do think we should get a final answer, but even if the answer is no, it does not have to be open meetings. Right now, it seems pretty undetermined as to when the meetings would occur, and I just want to make sure that we, the rest of the commissioners who do not sit on the board, or the commission, rather, are advised of the meeting times and dates, and we can send either ourselves or our representatives to listen. So it seems to be pretty informal here in terms of when the meetings are held and any requirements to let others know that they are happening. So I just want to

Vice Chair Abdur-Rahman. Thank you, Chairman. I was going to weigh in on this, but since some of the intent, especially from my point of view, has been, I guess, misaligned or what have you, let me tell you, having seen before when there was a budget committee and having seen what has transpired There are two different things that I feel like this will do. Well, it's more than two, okay? It's unfortunate when we have executive staff that can meet with every commissioner down here and answer all the questions, ask, is there anything else that you need? and a sitting commissioner says no, then t

Yeah, I'll just close by saying, look, whether you're on the Board of Commissioners, you're going to have an equal role in development of a budget. You can have as much influence on it as you choose to. And, you know, that really involves you kind of rolling up your sleeves, talking to your other commissioners, helping to build consensus around things, you know, all of that stuff that takes place, right? I've been on this commission for a while, and believe it or not, once upon a time, I was a new commissioner, and I spent a lot of time going in, actually, in that first budget cycle I was part

so the commissioners will still get to vote on the budget on budget day right yes and so you know um

This doesn't impede anything, Commissioner Arrington.

Even if I don't agree with it, the vote is the vote, and the vote's going to come down to the vote, right? And so it's not worth jumping up and down over.

So, Commissioner Arrington, that's probably my position. It's not worth jumping up and down for. I served on the Budget Commission for many years and thought that... it was a waste of time for the chair to be on the budget commission because I felt and still feel that the manager is in the best position to objectively, objectively decide what departments need based upon what he hears and based upon his, in this case, his experience and bring that to the board. So that's why I've always opposed any commissioner being on the budget commission but in this case probably two is better than one and

And I want to be crystal clear, Chairman, and this is not to undermine the county manager and the executive staff. In fact, in my appreciation, this is a form of protection. Because if you're sitting, if I'm sitting on a commission with you all and we're discussing something and I bring it back to my colleagues, that's the less chance of somebody saying, Well, you didn't say that to me. I didn't know that. Now, we could go further. I'm going to stop it there. But for me, this is not only to make sure that the process goes smooth, but stop wasting time. You imagine, and if my colleagues, y'all

All right, the motion on the floor is to approve. Let's vote.

A motion to approve by Commissioner Arrington, seconded by Commissioner Ellis. Commissioner Thorne, you have the floor.

Okay, first of all, I want to make it clear that this resolution isn't about whether we have data centers or whether data centers should be built or not. It has nothing to do with that. Honestly, with the race for AI on a global level, we need data centers somewhere. This is just reiterating that our cities, they have their own zoning authorities. They can still zone in data centers if they want to, but this resolution is just simply... Fulton County taxpayers shouldn't be subsidizing some of the wealthiest companies in the world that are building these data centers. Companies like Amazon, Goo

Thank you. I just wanted to expand this and make this applicable, offer a friendly amendment to any and all development authorities in Fulton County, not just development authority of Fulton County. It's an urgent resolution, and so I think it should Be applicable countywide right for all 15 cities and any and all development authorities and we may want to also just look at the definition of or how it defines what a data center is and those like. you know, open AI and anthropic are not included in that list. Right. And those are two of the biggest ones. So we may just want to think about that.

I'd accept your friendly amendment with Bob as a co-sponsor.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think there is that the Amazon meta references are more just like the types of companies, right, and then the line 15 gets into more of the definitional piece of it, but, you know, If you want to add a specific one in there, that's fine, right? A reference to it. Yeah, I mean, at least open AI.

I think we should add open AI and anthropic. Sure, that's fine.

And, you know. And then urging to all development authorities. Urging to all development authorities throughout Fulton County. Yeah, that sounds good.

So, in the words of the CFO, so introductory comment. What's the practical effect of this body opposing the provision of tax abatements? What does that really mean? And I've heard two commissioners say it should be urging. So which is it? If we're opposed, what does that mean? Or do we really mean urging the development authority, all development authorities not to provide abatements?

Well, we can't tell our development authority to not issue a tax abatement. That's correct. We legally cannot tell them. But we can make a statement here today by signing this resolution saying that we do not believe any tax abatements should be given to data centers.

But that's what I'm getting at. You mentioned maybe it should say urging. You said it. I didn't say it. When you mentioned that, then I read we're here. It doesn't say it says opposing the provision. and the thought occurred, what does that really mean? That we oppose it, we don't issue the abatements anyway.

But we're urging the development authority of Fulton County. That's on line four.

Commissioner Ellis. No, nothing further. But it is an urging resolution.

I don't want to get ethics complaint for telling the development authority what they're doing, just to make that clear.

Can we just, a friendly amendment says, which often require 10,000 or more servers. I mean, I don't know how many servers that might be in there. So one that has 5,000 servers wouldn't count as a data center?

I'm just. This is really a definition of the hyperscaler data centers, which are the ones that have been brought into question, was where that language came from.

For instance, in my district, I have a Blackberry data center that, since the Blackberry days, and it's been there, it's very, very small. It doesn't do much. They had to reconfigure it and resell it, put in new equipment. But it has a very, very small footprint. So we wanted to make sure it was a very large data center, not these small ones that could fit in this room. That a company might even have, you know, some companies contain their own servers and everything, their own data centers, so I wouldn't want to intrude on that, that this company's filing for abatement, and oh, by the way, the

Again, I'm very, I'm supportive of this. I just think we might want to look at that. I don't know if it's a square foot size that matters or is it the number of servers or is it the number of square feet that jumps the smaller ones? We may just want to think about that. We can maybe come back later, but. I just think there's ambiguity there and we need to maybe fill those gaps so that someone, maybe one of the data centers that you don't want might be able to get in because of the ambiguity, right? And it may also an opportunity to protect the smaller ones.

I just wanted to say to, thank you, Chairman, to Commissioner Arrington, maybe we can think about putting something shortly as to what a data center is. Because if you look at some of the hospitals, some of the hospitals can be, because of the ambiguity, They have their servers. And so some could say they are data centers. So maybe you and I can maybe work on something just to kind of tighten it up a little bit. So I'm willing to help work with you on that.

All right, the motion on the floor is to approve. I'm sorry.

But this is just an urging resolution, so it's not law, it doesn't have to be defined. I'm sure if someone came in with 9,999 servers trying to squeak in, we would know they're trying to squeak in and we still would urge our development authority not to approve a tax abatement.

Chair, I mean, if you would all permit me, there's a discussion item related to data centers that I'd take probably like five minutes on. It might be informational just to share that right now, if we could adjust the agenda to bring that forward.

On page 12. 260466. It's just a quick thing on growth and assessed value for data centers.

do you want to hear that now yeah just just again just like just quickly just walk up there okay no objection we'll move which which item is it it's a two six zero four six six discussion data centers 2026 growth and assessed value no objection we'll move that one up and hear it now yeah and i just want to bring this up and i know we've

There's been some discussion about commercial assessments and that sort of stuff. But these are real numbers and real results. You can't translate them necessarily into tax dollars right now because things could be subject to appeal and so forth. But there are two slides real quick to show in terms of just the magnitude and the importance of these things and getting them right from an assessment standpoint and then ensuring that they're not abated, et cetera. This will show you that we had, I don't know for sure, but I'm guessing this is clearly from a dollar number, but probably from a percen

All right, motion to approve by Vice Chair Abdulrahman and .

I mean, I guess I'm fine with this, but I, you know, I'm proposing sweeping changes to the whole ethics thing. So, you know, I can live with this, but let me tell you something, they all have to go. And so,

I think there's support for what you want to do. We just need to do it. Next meeting, meeting after that.

It'll probably be first one in September before I bring it. But I want to circulate it to everybody and get comments from everybody as far as what they want. It could be included as well.

All right, motion to approve by Commissioner Thorne, seconded by Vice Chair Abdur Rahman. Let's vote, please.

Motion to approve by Vice Chair Abdul-Rahman, seconded by Commissioner Thorne. Please vote.

Commissioner Barrett asked that we hold this in the event she had to leave.

Yes, she asked me if I would ask for it to be held. I'm against holding it.

On behalf of her. I'm against holding it.

There's objections, so. You carried out your orders, Commissioner Thorne.

I am carrying out my orders for Commissioner Barrett, despite my colleague objecting to my orders.

Remember your friend. Anything else that come before us? Objection is today.