City Commission - workshop

call this City Commission Workshop of the City of Pahokee to order. May we please stand for the invocation provided by Vice Mayor McDonough, followed by the Pledge of Allegiance.

We pray right now that you dwell within us and amongst us as we make the decisions that would be best for the citizens of our town. We ask for guidance and direction as we do these things that are pleasing in your sight. We ask right now that we're able to just come together in unity, God, that whatever it is that we do will be pleasing in your sight.

Thank you, Madam Clerk. Thank you, commissioners. Thank you, staff. And thank our audience for being here to participate, whether live or on social media, to our budget workshop. At this time now, this is a workshop, so there won't be any official voting on any means today. At this time, I have our city manager lead us in the discussion of our budget workshop.

And is that the Fulton-Henderson endowment item?

But for the surtax itself, we still have a balance that we have in the spending?

It says 466, so it's not 900,000 anymore.

I have another question. Sidewalk improvements, I see we have zero dollars there for the next three years. So we're not looking at trying to get any grants or anything to improve any other sidewalks, the ones that's really bad, at least if we can just put in for one sidewalk.

excuse me I have a question with regards to the storm drain covers and this kind of goes back to an item that was on the agenda a few months ago with regards to our storm drainage there was a solicitation with regards to Pahokee participating in a contribution to the purchase of a machine that would be used to clean the canals so as to prevent the backup of our storm drain system. And so it was voted down at that time. But I think that's something that needs to be revisited. And I'm sure everybody agrees that it's not something that will impact this current budget that we're looking at. But I

I want to speak on that as well. I think that we voted it down because one of the questions was, we have the backup inside the communities and they were not going to go inside the community because they was having this problem right over here. Right behind us and they were having it in that development and they said they will not be going in developments They will only deal with the canals making sure the canals are on stop But they will not go inside of the communities and that's what we were having the issues that inside the communities and so that's where we were at with that because they s

Right, so your point is well taken. However, I do believe that if we have the canals able to flow at a level that is going to make sure that the water is moved, then that would probably open us up as far as being able to put some responsibility on our public works system with regards to making sure that certain areas not collecting waste and garbage that is causing a backup with regards to our storm systems. But hey, I agree that we can ask them to come back and further address that and to provide more clarity with regards to that particular piece of equipment and how we can better understand

Okay. And you can also check with the public works receptionist too because I've spoken to her on a number of occasions and never got any follow-up on it. And this is not to throw shade or anything, but there needs to be follow-up. This was long before I was up here. So just to show you how far back it's going, I've been up here almost a year. And I know at least two or three times I came up to that mic and addressed that very issue. So good follow-up is very pertinent.

I have one more question. Did we put anything in here for the maintenance of the football field? Anything as far as? Making sure that it's maintained funding for the football field.

Yeah, I want to add that in there because we've got to definitely make sure we get the maintenance of the football field, you know, at least some kind of maintenance since we've had that grass put down to make sure that we're keeping up with what we're getting.

Would that be in the recreation budget? It would be.

Another thing to mention this to the city manager previously the county has a surplus auction that they do every so often and I think I sent it to her earlier this week they have a list of vehicles that they're selling this weekend and of course you would need to compare and evaluate the quality of the equipment that you're going to be getting. But that's another source that you can check when you're looking to at least purchase or replace vehicles. And I know sometimes it's their old stuff, but it's very possible that it's better than what we have.

Yeah, they not only have the vehicles, just about any piece of equipment that we might need to use for the operation of our municipality. At some point in time, they will probably have it. So you can certainly look into that.

And one last thing, I didn't notice that on here. I know we've been talking about the signs throughout the city. I didn't see anything in there for... signs throughout the city we've been saying I see the signage for the marquee but I know it has been brought up several times by commissioners that we need signage people coming in they can't find different addresses and I didn't see anything for that and I think that is vital and it's you know for safety and people can find where they're going as well so I didn't see anything in here for that either And that definitely needs to be a part of the

So will it be looked at before we approve the budget? Will that be put in there before we approve the budget? Are you saying you're going to go back and look at it?

So I would add to that too, and I understand there's a cost involved, and obviously this is our budget workshop. So as far as there's a lot of the signs on the polls, that are either damaged or not even there at all. But I would say that if we're able to, that we should consider putting the street signs on the curb whenever and wherever possible. I feel that would be an added benefit in times of a storm when that signage might be destroyed and completely removed. And here we are trying to rely on GPS, which we know, I'm sure everybody's experienced the issues with GPS sometimes. When it's work

So we're able to get that operational. She said next year. Oh, next budget year. Okay. Well, I mean, I guess that's... better than nothing because it's certainly been sitting there and a complete waste of our funds that we have had for some time now and it just doesn't make any sense for our citizens to be on this end of the lake and we got to go all the way to the other end of the lake to relieve ourselves so certainly I'm glad to see that there's something that's going to be taken into consideration as far as fiscal year 2728

We can pretty much call it out, but we need to do some research. Okay. Make sure. And I'm looking at this, um, the upgrades for the Marina campground, um, 3 million for next year. Uh, can you expound on that? Um, somewhat.

I will make a note of that. I think that would be an awesome idea, you know, so that we can be assured that our customers that are going up there can make sure that their vehicles are running the ones that have the electric vehicles. And also for those fuel tanks, in order for them to be replaced, are we expecting to have an increase in Any activity as far as the dock usage and what have you? I'm hoping that that would be the case, obviously, with some of the activities that are being proposed with regards to the use of our facilities. And we certainly don't want to have an issue with the fuel

And I know you said these are approximations. What did you base these estimates on?

And I have one question where it says the public work building where we have that equipment storage, I see we have zero funds there, and the garage is torn up, and that building looks horrible. But I see we don't have any money in there to do anything to this building. And I think... Something definitely needs to go there and we can't have that building to continue to look like that You know, we're not allocating in 342 60s Main Street We don't have any funding for that and I think that you know, we're wanting our city to look better and we want it to be appealing when um someone comes through

So I would propose and it's just something to kick around with regards to the building at 3.46 East Main Street. I would think that we can convert that to our public works building. Of course, it would be something that would be down the road because of the amount of work that's needed. but it's big enough and even the parking area is large enough to for our city vehicles to be parked but i agree with commissioner carol williams that it definitely needs to be cleaned up and maintained i remember i used to walk past there and just you know the weeds and all kind of other stuff on the back side

Oh, okay. That's a good idea. They can go in. I mean, but like you said, we would need to, of course, purchase the materials, but I think it's worth looking into.

Okay. Sounds good to me. So you're going to give us an update? Well, obviously, it will be part of the budget talks. Correct. But for sure, we'll get an update real soon regarding all of the things that we've pointed out.

I just have one more question, which has been a near and dear heart to my heart that I don't see on here. We have limited lighting throughout the city, even up here when we leave from up here and it's night. At some point, even if it's not in this budget, at some point, maybe we can get some grants that we can try to get some LED lighting or some type of lighting throughout the city. You know, it's a safety issue. And we know when it's dark or the lights go out, I mean, when we don't have lights, it is very dark at night, even driving through town. So if we can get some type of lighting, I mea

So do you know what page it is so we can count it in here? Right.

Right. I was going to suggest that we do, because certainly anything that we can get to support

I have one question. We haven't gone into discussing the budget yet, have we? Yes. Okay, so where we're at here on Fox and Recreation, I see we are adopting, last year it was $35,000, and we're going up an additional $1,000 this year.

you know things of that nature bathroom repairs those type of things yes and that's why I was asking about the turf that includes it in there because at some point if we keep using the field and we're not doing any maintenance to the field at some point we don't want it to tear totally up And then we're looking at now we need to spend money. We spent a lot of money on that field.

I just have one more question. Up here at the top where it says 3% cost of living increase and a 2.5% performance increase. Does that mean that they're going to automatically get this or? We're just putting it in there.

I'm just trying to look at this see what we can cut for some things we know that's important because Again, these street signs is important to me, and it's a safety net. If we can back some money out from somewhere, I know we're saying we're going to look at this, but this is during our budget time that we need to look to see. Because, yes, everybody has to tighten up their budgets. And being accountable for the funds that we're spending, there are some things that really I think is important that we need to look at. if we can cut back. I know these are some numbers that you all have given us,

What's the amount for the procurement position. We got these totals here.

But that's the new position. That's the minimum, the minor. I mean, the minimum is $85,000.

Does that include their health insurance, life insurance? Yes, it includes all of that. All the other benefits associated with it.

That's just the salary, not including the benefits?

So once the benefits are added, that could potentially put that person at $90,000?

So what happened with that position being funded in the budget?

because I didn't even know how I've been asking how much that position makes and so how I mean that so that's why I'm asking now because I know the position did not come before the commissioner approved and so I was wondering where we get the funding out and see it in here will begin the funding from with this additional position is not addition is the same position.

In the budget, OK. Okay, on this page where we are, where it says cemetery fund, it says on that same one where we're talking about, we're on the same page, we're down to the bottom, where it says cemetery fund. So it says we budgeted $157,000 and the proposed budget amount for $156,000. So we're saying that's how much the cemetery is going to bring in? Correct. So if we bring, I guess I'm trying to understand, if we bring in 158,000, over the last five years, how much has gone out that we're in the red? And we've been asking, and I know I've asked that a study be done on this with the cemeter

But what was the expenditures, though, for the cemetery so far? You gave us how much they brought in so far. What's their expenditures so far?

the expenditures look like for the cemetery. Oh, they're here.

What's the salary of the person for the cemetery? Is this $85,000? No, there are two people out there.

There's three people out there, but I'm just saying what's coming out of the cemetery. I'm just saying, what's the salary of the two people that's out there?

That's what increased those. And so I know we do have the Henderson Fund that we all talk about that I haven't really ever got a clear understanding on it. And so they say we can't use any of this bond for the cemetery, but we're supposed to be able to use the interest or something. How much interest is coming in over the past five years that you've seen that contributes that we can use to contribute to the cemetery?

So let me ask a question because I was reading with the different job description. As the finance director, you are able to invest the city's money. Correct. With this Henderson Dow, are we able to, if we see that we're not getting a good interest rate on this, I don't know anything about the fund, but are you able to find out information to find out if what we've been doing is not working, that we can invest it in another way so that we can be able to get other funds since we can't touch the actual funding and we can only touch the interest rate?

Yes. Yeah, that's what I'm asking. But since I know you, you know, as the finance director says that you, you know, can research and look at and bring it back to us and explain to us what your research, what you found that, you know, because of this, we've only been getting this because that's what I'm starting to look at. you know, with how we have our money invested and what do we have, because we're supposed to get a report monthly on our money that's invested and how it's doing and how it's invested, where it's invested at, so we can look to see how we can get more bang for our bucks for o

Because we don't want to continue to look at going in debt each time and each time the auditors come and we are in the red each time. So that's why I'm saying look at doing something different.

Because it's been sitting there for some years now.

What I would suggest also is that we have a built-in calculation. that will indicate an increase every so often with regards to those revenues that we have in place instead of us sitting here saying for 10 years this cost to rent or utilize this particular service has been the same and we know that over time everything the cost of doing everything increases so we should have a built-in calculation that is intended to increase those revenues over a period of time and not have to you know go in the hole to continue operating correct once we get this in place then we will be prepared to continue

And I have a couple more questions on the pages that we're on. So where it says under general fund, transfer out, is that money that we're putting, where it says transfer in and transfer out. So just looking at the marina, transfer in, we budgeted $377,000 and last year that was what and this year and then I see we have those parentheses around what what does that mean when you say transfer in

So, for his revenues for the marina, we're saying we're bringing in, well, we said we budgeted $216,000 last year, proposed budget today. 198,000 and we've only brought in 17,000. Is that what we're at? 17,202. That's the variance. That's the variance. Yeah, for the marina.

But they're not bringing in enough to with their expenditures. No, they're not. And with the marina being I know we had lights and water up there and we don't have I'm just trying to figure how much our what's the expenditures.

For example with the water is a ready to use fee even if it's a site that's not being utilized we still charge a fee for that site in water.

Okay so my question is and I think this has come up before for more revenue we're in the budget year so you get phone calls, people come in on the weekend on Fridays because they know we have nobody at the marina. They stay up there and leave early Monday morning because they know that, um, you know, that's when the people come back to work. Are we looking at doing something different in order to bring revenue into the marina? Because if you got someone coming up there on a Friday, they stand up there all weekend. I mean, if they're going to be doing that, are we looking at where we can have l

So my next question is, you say the clerk is up there. Is that impacting our budget? Because now she's working outside of being the city clerk. And she's now. No, it's not the city clerk. They're individual. That's the marina clerk. That's the marina clerk.

Oh, OK. You mentioned she works on weekends on weekends. at what time she get off. I don't know. So if she get off at five, even six o'clock, that evening is open from that time until Sunday morning or whenever.

That's my concern because you're saying someone is up there. Right. Listen, people have come to say, look, these people up here. And you can go up there and talk to the people. And they say, oh, nobody is here. So, you know, we figured it's open on the weekend. It's open. So. and not there on Sundays. And so if she wasn't there when they came, you know what I'm saying? I don't know if she's walking to see if the people are there or not. And so we're losing money is what I'm saying.

You know, they're very techie. But the thing of it is, we know that we don't have our employees work seven days a week to monitor that. So we definitely need to implement a way to have a better monitoring of what is actually transpiring. with those cabins up there.

So we don't lose money, and when we're looking at our budget every year, we're trying to keep it.

I do. I have one more question. I'm going to go to Parks and Recreation because I know this was a concern for me. Let me find out what Parks and Recreation are in here. Now, I know last year we had no money, revenues coming in from Parks and Recreation, so I went through all of this and I can't remember everything. I'm just trying to see Do we have funds for coming in this year? Because I know we do have games. And that was a concern of ours that we were supposed to be going moneyless. And we were supposed to have been getting these little machines and all of this because we said there were no

So my question is, yes, we're going cashless, but still, what accountability system are we going to have in place that each person that comes in to make sure, little Ray Ray can come in, oh I don't have no money, you come on through. So what account, we're gonna have an accountability system in place for each person that comes in. So like if you come in this week, We giving out a blue bracelet and they wanna go back out and they say, oh, I left my bracelet or whatever and I don't have my bracelet. Are we gonna have a system in place being accountable for that even though we're going cashless?

You can also, for the city or that particular department, create a Zelle or a cash app so that they can do cashless payments that way. So, but I wanted to ask, when they register to play football, because I know football is the biggest one, you know, we don't have all of that, you know, back and forth when it comes to basketball and any other sports that we have, but the recreation, the registration for football, does that include the uniform as well? When they come and sign up to play football, does that fee include the uniform?

So we have vendors that are available to supply the uniforms?

So, now... Is that like something that's monopolized? I know a couple of years ago, there was a player that was in our football program. They did not have a uniform that could fit him. So me and another citizen, we got together and purchased his shoulder pads and his shoes. So that's why I'm asking if that fee that they pay to play football includes their uniform.

But the question that I'm really trying to get to is that is it an exclusive vendor, or do we have several vendors that are available to supply the uniforms that these kids need for the football program?

Okay, I guess when you can bring us some more information, I might be able to get some more questions with regards to it.

And they don't provide his equipment or uniform.

We can definitely revisit this at a later date.

My question is about the budget. The money that we're raising from football, is it included in that? the budget that we have we projected at what we're going to be making I see we have here is it in the capital project fund or is that money not included in this budget at all that that's what I'm trying to find out.

So then how, if we wanted to know what they're actually bringing in so that, because we want departments to be sustainable for themselves. So the money that's coming from general fund for them, we want to be able to see when we're doing our budget, are they able to sustain a lot of themselves instead of just putting the money in the general fund is what I'm wanting us to see. What are they actually bringing in a year and compare that to what their expenses are and then maybe that's some money that we can free up somewhere else because Parks and Rec is able to sustain on their own.

So let me ask a question. Over the last five years, you're looking at this. We're saying that they only going to bring in $1,500 this year. We went from $16,000 to $1,500. And so you say you did your research for the last five years. What have they brought in that we brought in from $16,000 to $1,500?

But the paperwork, so we don't have any documentation that we can look at and we have the department head there that you can't get this information for the last year or the year before?

Yeah, that's a big concern of mine. We're going to go from $16,000 to $1,500.

And the thing is too, I think, With regards to that process, there has to be some method of checks and balances in place. So if you're saying that you collected I'm gonna just throw a number out $15,000 for football registrations. Then you need those applications to be provided or at least review to show that yes, this stack of applications here brought in $15,000 worth of registrations for the football. So we can't just be flying by the seat of our pants and you know, just doing this, that or the other and not checking and balancing the process that we have in place.

So I totally agree with that and I do believe that recreation should be responsible for storing those files, but I believe too that there should be some type of electronic record on hand somewhere at City Hall so that if we need to review those records that they're available to us and we don't have to worry about situations that you have in City Hall right now where there's a stack of papers on the floor and you don't know what's in that stack. So that's an issue or a concern that I have with regards to those records that supposedly are on file to document this action or that action.

When did that start? Is that something that is new, or has that been in place for some time? I can't say. I mean, there's just been too many questions with regards to how we are handling this program and the proceeds that are collected with regards to that particular program, which we know in this area, footballistabomb.com, But we want to make sure that we are properly, you know, taking care of what the city is provided in the way of revenue for that, not just that program, for any program that we have in our city so that we can take care of our kids and their needs and also other departments

And my concern is we had these same questions last year at the budget meeting. We're back again this year with the same concern. We're saying that we have these systems in place, and I know both of you all are new. But we got to hold people accountable when it comes to our monies. Because even though we have new staff here, we should not be at this same point again this budget year. This was a concern last year, and we're back hearing the same thing again this year. It's unacceptable. We have money coming in. Here it is. We have the finance director telling us she don't know where the money wa

Those were my major concerns that those were my major questions that I have. And this is why I was wanting to know that because then we could have seen where we can cut in the budget, but we can't sit here and say we can cut anything because we really don't know what every you know.

Right. And my next concern is that I have when I look at parks and recreation, we need to stop putting in this budget year after year track. We know we're not doing track. We list these programs on here. We're not following up with it. We keep asking about it. We've even heard the comment track. We can't do track because track costs too much. But we come and put a budget before this commission every year in regards to track. We put basketball on here, and we have basketball at very low. We've asked for soccer. We asked for other programs, and we get these same budgets that came from whoever th

But why we have it on here if we're not going to do it?

So why are we even putting it on here if we're not gonna offer it if we're not expecting anything to come in again Just because it was on the budget last year doesn't mean we put it back on here again this year It's a format of the packet so what we will have to do on commissioners is

But some of the programs that this commission has asked for for this community, that the community have said that they want, We need to see some of these programs go into fruition and not just put them on paper like baseball. They haven't done anything with baseball. We put it on here, but we're not following through with it, and we're putting it on our budget. That's the only thing that I'm saying. If we are budgeting for these items, we need to be doing it. The only thing we're doing on here is the football. And that's where we see all the money going, and it's like the other activities and

All right, thank you. And there's nothing with you all because you all wasn't here. But I'm just saying I don't want us to continue doing normal when we say, oh, it was there last year. Because it was there last year, that doesn't mean it's right to keep putting it on here year after year, and we're not doing anything with it. So we're not doing the normal that we normally do. That's the only thing that I'm saying. We want to meet the needs of the entire community.

And is that included in the capital project fund that you gave where you gave the proposed budget and how much everything? Is that money in the capital project fund?

that he's talking about with the F. P. N. A. O. and uh... that's general fund the only thing we have in capital projects are the two grants that we have which is mature and phase four okay so now I have another question so that you put that in on the general fund so let me just ask a question let me see if I missed it so did you break down for us to tell us exactly let me see So what was that call again where he was just talking about?

And so up under here, what did you put that up under? When I'm looking at it, I see you got Avalora sales and use tax. That's what you got it up under?

I know, but what I'm saying, when you look on the other pages, it's nowhere on there.

Okay, so see like right here. That make up the 5.6. But I don't know. Where would it be in here?

So under utility services. And so utility is considered water, propane, electric. Communication, okay.

So it goes over here to the 106,300 on that page. Which one are you looking for? Right here for the utility tax on this one. And that goes up to 106,000.

Okay, yeah, because if it's just them four, that's like 516.

SO OUR BUDGET IS ACTUALLY LESS THIS YEAR FROM LAST YEAR.

That was what was budgeted so currently the only thing that was there is the 2640.

I just have one last question that I have.

I looked at it for all other departments and she may have answered this so As I look at here, I'm looking through each one for each department for COLA. Now, I noticed that we have, let me see, make sure I'm doing this right. Okay, so when we look at city clerk, we have nothing in for the 3%, but we have $2,225 in for performance increase. When we look over at finance and accounting for cost of living there, we have $7,803, but we don't have anything for the 2.5% increase. And then when we look over at human resources, I guess I'm just trying to determine how is it that for certain ones you pu

So I guess I'm trying to I guess to how is it that how is it that we didn't put it that if they get an evaluation and they deserve one and we haven't put it in here and based on their evaluations are we saying that We're not going to even look at it whether we decide to give it to them or not because nothing is in the budget so because we didn't put it in the budget and A worker has worked and they've been evaluated all year long and they've done well we're not going to even put anything in here at all to say thanks for what you've done and

Yes, I would like for that to be placed in the budget. I mean, if I've worked and I've done something, I'm working and saying it's not even in the budget for me.

For clarification, is this a full-time or part-time job?

She's saying for everyone. No, no, no. Full time.

And they would have to have worked a certain amount of time, say six months or more.

So for clarification, are we talking about the 3% or 2.5%, the performance increase?

So cost of living is not something that's automatic?

I would think that the cost of living to me should be given on an annual basis. And then the 2.5% performance increase would be something that would be at the discretion of whomever the supervisor is and ultimately the city manager. Because you do have those individuals that go above and beyond, but everybody, you know, hey, cost of living is a cost of living. We need that to be able to keep up with inflation. But if someone is going above and beyond, that 2.5 should be left to tender if that individual meets a certain level of expectation as far as the supervisor and, like I said, ultimately

Where did we come up with the 3% for this year in a way? It's just standard. The cost of living increased by 3% this year?

That's what I'm saying. It may be less. It may be 2.5 or even 20. And that should be again on an annual basis because you don't know whether or not the city is able to absorb a cost of living for a particular year. So it's on an annual basis you can determine whether or not.

Right, so whenever the evaluation is completed. then that's when we should be looking at whether or not that person is going to get that cost of living, which to me, cost of living is cost of living. The performance increase, the 2.5, should be based on their performance.

and the governor so that's something I think we will have to determine from year to year yeah I even work with the same way it was some I got it all but it's and I've been there before too but I think that is something that we should offer our employees to let them know that we appreciate their service I'm not saying that we can that we should offer cost of living then we should be we should do it and then those that go above in the young and beyond the two point five performance increase should be considered.

Right, because I think 3%, just say that across the board, that they're going to automatically get it. I'm a teacher. Sometimes we get 1%. I mean, 3% was the highest we got this year for our performance, but that's what we get. We just get the performance. I don't think that we should just automatically say they get a 3% cost of living. We can probably look at that, but I can agree with the performance if they've done the performance. I can agree with that above and beyond. Yeah, but not just an automatic 3% for the cost of living.

I think the budget should be taken into consideration with regards to the cost of living because we all know that cost of living goes up. It's not standing still. So I think that that could be modified or amended every year. For instance, like you said, y'all got 1%, and we can have a range between 1% and 3% for the cost of living, and then that 2.5% should be reserved for those individuals that go above and beyond. I mean, that's just my take on it. Of course, it's something that we can certainly vote on.

So are you saying not for this year to not consider the cost of living increase?

So it's nowhere we can cut in the budget $50,000 that we can at least look at a performance, even if we don't do cost of living.

Well, I was just checking and looking at everything and making sure we appreciate it. That's what we need.

We can say what we have. Okay. And would that include charter officers too? Or we look at the charter officers. That includes.

But if nothing is in the budget, we can't really address it. I was just saying in case we decide to, at least we should have something in the budget.

Yeah, let me just make sure to be on the safe side, that I got everything answered, and I got everything. A bunch of, you got to do a bunch of

If there is no additional question, I entertain a motion to adjourn our budget workshop.

I have one more thing before we go. We didn't talk about the we put in the budget anywhere. We brought up that we need to make sure that we have signs put on all of our vehicles that we put that in the budget in a way to make sure that we don't get done but those logos on on all the vehicles. We got funding in there for that. If we can make sure.

But we get new vehicles. We want to make sure the new vehicles have them on them from day one.

And they will have tracking as well, like if something happened, we can make sure we can keep up with our vehicles and all of that?

Okay. So we don't meet again until August 11th? And just in case we come across something in our perusal of these documents, I mean, we shouldn't consider, you know, what we've talked about here at final. There's always a possibility that changes might need to be made. So just making sure that we're on the right page.

Since we don't need a vote. And the city manager did mention the fact that we want to have an additional workshop on the budget. I don't want to include that as an option or don't feel we need one one I'll be on vacation where she can call the emergency one.

I would suggest that we do it on the day of a meeting like an hour before what have you got a rather than need mean that's just my suggestion I won't be available for one because I'm leaving on vacation no I'm saying we don't even meet on July 28th so the next meeting you know we got we have time even if we only meet on the 11th we can do a workshop today you know an hour before the meeting okay it's what I suggest during our budget workshop at 6 26 p.m.