City Council - Regular Meeting

And moved by Council Member Paschal, second by Council Member Arnold. Any discussion? All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries 6-0. Thank you, City Clerk. Will you please call the roll?

All right, our study session tonight is on two items. First, we will hear an overview of corrections and related programs in Kirkland. Second, the council will hear a parking pricing study. We expect to reconvene our regular meeting at 7.30, City Manager.

Thank you so much. Thank you, Lieutenant, Commander, and of course, Chief. Thank you for this presentation, and I hope that our community watches it. This is something that we don't talk about. It doesn't get a lot of visibility, and it's really clear your compassion and care, but it's also part of our city's continuum of care, so this has been very impressive. Thank you. I've heard a lot of typing while you were talking, so who wants to go first?

Thank you, Madam Mayor. I like going last because I like hearing other people's questions and crossing them off my list. Well, thank you for this. This is really informative and I really appreciated so much of the work we do as a city, the person-centered approach to this, right? As the community, like you said, keeping the community safe, but also helping improve the lives of inmates so that they can be more stable and be more contributing members to our society and healthy. So thank you for that. So I have a couple questions related to that. You talked a lot, which I appreciate again, in tal

Thank you. I appreciate that. And then do we have a mechanism for understanding? I know you mentioned there's open communication, right? The ability to share concerns and feedback while they're inmates. Do we have any sort of data collection on ideas they have for... helping support them better? Like, do we ask them either qualitatively or quantitatively, you know, what would make it so that you were able to be more rehabilitated while you're here? Perhaps, you know, I know that could, depending on where people are in life, could be challenging for folks to answer to give us practical advice a

Thank you. I appreciate that. And I appreciate the invitation to tour as well. I would like to take you up on that, as some of my colleagues may as well. And in speaking with the city manager earlier today, I was asking, what is the end result of all this information and things that we're learning, right? And in my mind, I would love to think through, what can we do as a council to support the work of our criminal justice system? Are there things that we can do to help support you? The phone calls was one example of that, right? but would love to have a follow-up conversation more about some o

Thank you, Mayor. Chief Commander, Lieutenant, thank you for the presentation. It's really impressive, the work that you're doing. And beyond the outcomes of the people involved, that are released. One thing that was covered in the memo is how this, the work we do here actually saves the community money compared to these housing in the King County Jail or score. And it mentioned some of the direct costs of how we've been able to keep that score number low. One of the things I'd like to have is some backup information. It's just saying, okay, you've said, okay, if we housed everybody in score,

And then secondly, you mentioned the jail navigator position has been in effect for just a year and a half now. When we got briefed on community court, they had some information over the history of community court before community court and with community court to be able to say, okay, this is impacting recidivism. Do we track that to be able to show, okay, before the jail navigator, after the jail navigator, here's the impact that we're having?

And both the quantitative aspect of it, but also the qualitative aspect of it, the individual stories of hearing how people really said the services and the support that they got were transformational. It's great to hear those stories as well. Thank you.

Thank you. First off, thank you for the presentation. Just the whole layout of it. You had someone who's very good at doing PowerPoints. That was pretty impressive. You upped the bar here in Kirkland, probably. I had just a couple comments, questions. Maybe I'll just kind of go through them and then you can, if you have a response, or you can respond later. One is I noticed that there was an increase in yearly bookings, particularly over the last couple years and kind of what's contributing to that. I echo some of the comments from my colleagues around the score and also the King County Jail a

Councilman? Yeah, thank you so much for this presentation. Very impressive, and I agree with Council Member Pascal. The figures were top notch. So one question I had was around the jail navigator program, which I feel like that's one of the highlights of this presentation. I saw the, so the numbers, in the last year and a half, we've been able to recruit around 140 people, right, to participate. on a voluntary basis, obviously. And then I saw the bookings in the last year were, I think, almost 2,000 people, right? So I guess, how do we increase awareness of this program? And I guess, how do we

Thank you. I have to move us on to parking. I apologize, but thank you. Great presentation. We really appreciate you being here.

All right, city manager, we're going to do the parking pricing study.

Thank you. So the Saturday, Sunday analysis I thought was interesting, and it made me just pause and think, is there a reason that we continue to have free parking on Sundays, and if that's something that we should evaluate as part of this discussion or perhaps a future discussion. So I wanted to mention that. I have my theories as to why we had that as a remnant of previous societal values and want to look at the intention there and if that's really something that's helping our community or if we should reevaluate that.

Thank you. That would be helpful. I would assume that with our DEIB values, that it would be something that we would want to evaluate as well, given the history of probably how that was implemented.

Thank you. Kim, at some point, I'd love to hear if we In addition to seeing the difference in behavior and the greater turnover on Saturday, if we have something more than just a hypothesis or a theory about what that means for businesses downtown, if you see that, for example, a theory could be when you see that kind of turnover, you see more people coming, you see more people considering coming because they find that it is possible to get a parking spot, and then they do frequent our downtown businesses. You can answer that now, or I can... Talk to you about it later.

Question, do we have data about percentage of residents versus non-residents that are parking at our parks?

councilman thank you madam mayor well thank you councilman pasco for that question i had a similar question related to that and other ways to achieve a similar goal um that we don't need to get into now but i'm curious i know that we have i'm going to blank on the name of the technology but tdc um you know has some technology that i know economic development utilizes to like to track people and where they are around the city not like in a like individual person kind of way but just like a numbers kind of way um so that i don't know if that would be a tool but i'd be curious to know if that has

Thank you, Kim. All right, council, we have 20 minutes. So everybody fire their feedback. Council Member Arnold.

Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, Kim. I appreciate all the really thorough stuff. These are my notes from looking at the packet. Lots of interesting stuff in there. Couple things on the study, the information in the packet showed kind of annual numbers of occupancy. One of the things I'm making a case, especially for downtown parks, I'd be more interested in peak and summer days to be able to say how many summer days are we hitting that 80% level that really justifies the need for turnover. So I'd like to see that data as we consider moving forward. Oh, I should have opened up with, I am intereste

Thank you, Madam Mayor. Well, thank you for this really thoughtful presentation. I know we've, as was noted in the memo, been working on this issue for years. So I do appreciate the thoughtfulness that we're going about this and that we have a focus of why we're doing this, right? That we're not just trying to you know, have a money grab for the public that's really intentional to help support our infrastructure and help increase turnover to help support our businesses and for more folks to be able to enjoy the park. So I think that's, I really appreciate that. I am interested in a plan at lea

Yeah, thank you. Thank you for all the information so far on this. I know we've been talking about it for a while. I was most glad to hear about the fact that the outreach is the next step, that you really want to tailor the outreach to the things the council's most interested in, so I think that makes a lot of sense. I think I want to start out big picture. What I'm looking for is kind of, you know, really clear vision of where we're going, what are those objectives that we're trying to achieve, and then a you know, somehow compare those objectives or those options to those objectives and how

Thank you. Anyone else? Councillor Primm?

Yeah, thank you for this presentation. I would say I support seasonal fees for the first three options, so for the summer months only. I do generally agree that having parking fees for the library, I'm not a big fan of that. maybe partly because I want to incentivize people to go to the library and read books. So I don't want people to have to pay for that service. I also, I just want to emphasize, I don't think the goal here is to generate major revenue streams. It's really just to make sure that more parking is available when the demand is the highest. But at the same time, I don't want the

All right, I guess I'll go ahead. So you've gotten really good feedback from council and I agree with 99.9% of it. So option one, yes, let's raise the fees to two hours for Lakeshore and Lake Central. Option two, I support I would do all waterfront parks, and I agree with the feedback you received to make it consistent that it's $2 an hour so that the parking fee is consistent through all. I'm looking at this in phases, as in that's what we would do in 27, which is increase the fees downtown, add the waterfront parks, and then 28, I agree with Council Member Paschal about the curb management p

That's a good question. Council? Everybody nodding? Yes. Okay. Okay.

Thank you. I want to clarify one thing. I didn't add this, but this is something I've been... Mentioning to the city manager for years is the idea of the residential parking permits. And so I think I heard a couple of different ideas. And so I just want to share what I what I thought on that as well is I think I heard from one council member that having some sort of free residential or very low cost residential permit and then people who. would have to pay that don't live in Kirkland. And then I also heard people could buy a permit, like a monthly or annual permit, which I think is a slightly

All right, that concludes our study session. We'll be back at 7.30 for our regular... All right, we are back in session following an overview of corrections and related programs in Kirkland and a parking study. Council Member Tim Chisholm was excused earlier this evening. We will start tonight's meeting with honors and proclamations. Our first proclamation will be Disability Pride Month, and our second proclamation will be South Asian Heritage Month. City Manager.

You're all welcome to join us up here. Sarah, there's a copy of the proclamation. All right, well thank you for being here with us tonight. As the Mayor said, I'm Council Member Amy Falcone, and I'll be reading the Disability Pride Month Proclamation. Whereas Disability Pride Month is celebrated every July, marking the anniversary of the Americans with Disabilities Act, which was landmark legislation signed into law in 1990. that broke down barriers of inclusion for people with disabilities and protects against discrimination. And whereas researching, learning, and talking with your community

All right, our next proclamation is going to be the South Asian Heritage Month Proclamation read by Council Member Prim, City Manager.

I would love to invite all of the guests as well, please, to come up on stage. All right. I am Shilpa Prem, council member, and I'm extremely thrilled to announce the South Asian Heritage Month Proclamation. Werao's South Asian Heritage Month celebrates the vibrant cultures, history, languages, and traditions of the South Asian region, which includes India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Bhutan, and the Maldives. And whereas South Asian Americans have significantly contributed to the social, economic, educational, artistic, and civic life of the United States, and more locally, of the

We're going to take a quick little five minute recess. We are gonna resume our session, so now we are moving on to items from the audience. This is a time in our meeting when we normally hear from the public. Please limit your remarks to three minutes. We will provide up to a total of 45 minutes for our items from the audience with no more than six speakers on a subject, regardless of their position on the subject. To address council during items for the audience period, please sign up using our online public comment instruction link or the posted QR code in chambers. For those participating b

All right. Oh, Rick? Rick, you're up next. Is there a Rick on site?

Thank you. We'll go back to Rick. Charlotte? Charlotte, are you there? Charlotte, I can't hear you. Can you hear me now?

And so we really want to encourage Kirkland to note that many of these presentations... Charlotte, I apologize, but your time is up and we have received your email, so you will get a response from the city. Thank you. I appreciate that. Thank you. All right. Next, we have Connie.

Thank you, Connie, and I particularly thank you for calling out staff, because they did work hard on this problem. All right, Susan Davis.

I have a statement. Mr. Zimmerman is allowed to complete his remarks because the council is committed to free speech. and we've been talking about free speech earlier this evening. But I want to reiterate what I've said many times, that this council finds his comments hurtful, divisive, and completely at odds with Kirkland's core values as a safe, inclusive, and welcoming city. Thank you.

All right, we're going to move on to Aaron.

Thank you, Chris. I'm going to go back. Is Rick Long in the room? OK. City Clerk?

Why don't you send us an email and we'll put you in touch with the right person. All right. Thank you so much. Thank you. I'm going to do a last, I haven't seen anybody come in, but I'm going to last call on Rick Long. All right. City manager, or city clerk.

And we just made our 45 minutes. Thank you, everyone. All right. We are going to move on to special presentations where we will receive a special presentation from the Kirkland Community Foundation City Manager.

Thank you, Carmen. You know, I've been on council for a while and I've watched the trajectory of the Kirkland Community Foundation and you guys are, you're running now. There's no more walking. So congratulations. And I'm so grateful to you and your board and other community members who have a heart of service. And so thank you for that also. Deputy Mayor.

Thank you, Madam Mayor, and thank you, Carmen. The mayor stole most of my, I don't have questions. I really just wanted to take a moment to say thanks and also express gratitude. Like the mayor said, I really want to thank the Community Foundation for just the tremendous growth and the vision of what the foundation stands for and all of the effort commitment I've seen the effort and commitment to delivering on this this powerful growing vision and I just want to thank you thank your board thank the founders of course who include former councilmember Tom near and his wife Sally and The gratitud

Anyone else? You get to say that. I like her. So Council Member Falcone has suggested if you're game, do you want to do a quick picture? Always.

So Nancy and Jonathan, why don't you come up too, and we'll just group right here. You guys, you're down there. Sorry.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much.

All right. We are moving on to our consent calendar. Before we have a motion, I would like to ask Deputy Mayor Black to present the auditive accounts and to highlight the proclamation we have on consent this evening. Thank you.

Thank you, Madam Mayor. We had payroll in the amount of $9,545,254.52 and bills in the amount of $9,529,176.81. As part of tonight's consent calendar, the mayor, on behalf of the council, will be proclaiming July as Parks and Recreation Month in Kirkland. This national observance recognizes the power of parks and recreation to improve health and well-being, connect community members, support environmental resilience, and enhance quality of life. Through this proclamation, we celebrate the staff and volunteers who make Kirkland's parks system possible, including more than 2,000 recreation progr

Thank you, Deputy Mayor Black. Is there a motion to approve the consent calendar? Second. Moved by Deputy Mayor Black. Second by Council Member Prim. Is there any discussion? The question is on the motion to approve the consent calendar. We have ordinances. So, City Clerk, will you please call the roll?

Yes. Thank you. Consent calendar is approved 6-0. We are going to move on to our first business item. The Kirkland Youth Council has asked that we postpone their presentation this evening until July 21st. One of the presenters can't be with us this evening. May I have a motion to do so?

Moved by Council Mayor Falcone, second by Deputy Mayor to postpone the Kirkland Youth Bill of Rights until July 21st. Any discussion? All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Motion carries 6-0. Any opposed? Motion carries 6-0. All right. We, in recognition of our audience members, before we take a break, we are going to move on to safe parking, our first business item, the Safe Parking Program Fiscal Note. City Manager.

Back to me? Yes. Thank you, sir. Before I ask Council if they have any questions, I do want to thank Karina O'Malley and the Safe Parking Program leadership who worked with us to put together this structure that hopefully would give Council peace of mind in approving this fiscal note, and we sincerely appreciate the work that the Safe Parking Program does for our community. Council, any questions before we entertain a motion? Take a motion.

I propose to approve the motion as stated on the screen.

Second. It's been moved by Councilmember Prim, second by Councilmember Falcone to move forward the fiscal note for the safe parking program on condition the funding is provided to Lake Washington Methodist only through a written agreement. Requires safe parking program to be operated for at least three years. As approved by the city manager, the fiscal note is $100,000. Any further discussion? Council Mayor Paschal.

Thank you. You know, I regret that I missed the last meeting where you all talked about this funding. And I just wanted to say that I agreed with much of what was said at the last meeting about, you know, why this is an important program to support. You know, even though I didn't attend the last meeting, I did raise some questions with the city manager, just kind of wanting a little bit more information and background about the project itself, what it was specifically going towards, how it was benefiting the community, and then asking for, you know, a little bit more kind of a written agreemen

Thank you. Anyone else? Question is on the motion to approve the fiscal note for the Safe Parking Program. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries 6-0. Thank you, Council. Thank you, Jim. All right, let's go ahead and take our break, and we will be back at 9-10.

All right, we are back after a quick break, and we are moving on to proposed Mark Twain Park Land Exchange City Manager.

Thank you, Colin. Great explanation. Love the maps. So appreciate it. Council, any questions for Colin? I thought not. I will entertain a motion. Deputy Mayor.

Thank you, Madam Mayor. I'll move for adoption of Resolution R5739. Second. Second.

Move by Deputy Mayor Black, second by Council Member Arnold to move for Resolution 5739. Is there any further discussion? All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries 6-0. Thank you.

All right. We are going to move on to... The next business item, which is the agreement amendments related to the Kraken Iceplex and Kirkland Community Center. City Manager.

Thank you. Council, any questions? Deputy Mayor?

Thank you, Madam Mayor. Just one quick question, because it came up repeatedly when the council was discussing the overall structure of the agreement, was to ensure that the center of gravity of responsibility and liability was not a thinly capitalized Subsidiary just for the public who followed that discussion and is now following this discussion The fact of the Kirkland iceplex LLC We were naming that party because now we know that party's name But that does not change the structure that the city of Kirkland negotiated with respect to making sure the center of gravity of liability on behalf

Anyone else? Deputy Mayor, you want to do the honors?

I'm sure I can do that. Maybe. Yes. I'll move for adoption approval of resolution R5740.

Second. And moved by Deputy Mayor Black, second by Council Mayor Prim to move forward resolution 5740. Any further discussion? All those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries 6-0. Thank you both. All right, now we're gonna move on to the crack and right-of-way dedication. City Manager.

Council, questions? I will entertain a motion.

Madam Mayor, I move approval of Ordinance 4944. Second.

It's been moved by Council Mayor Arnold, seconded by Council Mayor Falcone to move forward Ordinance 4944. Any further discussion? City Clerk, will you please call the roll?

Ordinance passes 6-0. We are on to our last business item, which is an update of the school zone flashing beacon, City Manager.

Thank you, Jennifer. And I just want to be clear. So you need to walk away tonight with whether we prefer option one or option two?

Council, questions? Council Member Falcone.

I have kind of a 20,000-foot view question, and I know I've kind of asked this in different ways before, but I'm still struggling with it. So I'm not a transportation expert, but I am an expert in both walking and driving along school walk routes thousands of times. And so from that perspective... It makes sense to me, and I just want to understand, that some of our most vulnerable children walking to school are those who are furthest from the school, when there's not 50 kids all in a group that are very visible, and where there's not crossing guards, and where there's not as much flashing thi

Okay, so we're basing it on speed and volume. On the slide six, it says that we're omitting six school crosswalk beacons and locations further from schools and which see less activity. So the volume there, but it still mentions the proximity to the schools is what grabbed my attention.

Okay. I'm still struggling with the logic behind the most kids, but thank you. I appreciate the explanation.

Thank you, Madam Mayor. This is a really quick question, and I'm sorry if I missed it, if it was in any of the materials. And it might be a question for the city manager, honestly. At a really, really high level, what's the opportunity cost that comes from the council appropriating funds from the same source that we're using, let's say the $544,000 for option one, Those are dollars that will otherwise go to what?

Including safer routes to school projects? Yeah, safer routes to school. Okay, some of which would probably get a little bit more to Council Member Papin's concern. Mayor, are you looking for direction? Sure. I think because of those, well-taken remarks and just my study of this issue and conversation with city manager, I support option one.

Thank you. Thank you, Jennifer, for, as always, the in-depth analysis and documentation on how you arrive at your recommendations, so I appreciate that. I can just go back to the fact that the city's done some And Public Works has done some really good work here. I don't know of another city that's kind of putting this much emphasis on school signage and beacons and everything else that is proposed here. So I just go back to that fundamental thing where we're making some good progress here. And so that's the thing to kind of kind of keep front of mind, recognizing that there's always improveme

Thank you. There are no questions. I'll take a motion.

Madam Mayor, I'd make a motion to recommend that we go with option one. Second.

It's been moved by Council Mayor Paschal. Apologies, I heard Council Mayor Falcone first. Any further discussion? Council Member Falcone.

Thank you, Madam Mayor. Yes, I also do support option one. Obviously, I seconded the motion, but I would like to look at, per my comments earlier, additional improvements to further out parts of the school walk routes, which I think, again, in my expertise as a mom walking and driving kids to and from school thousands of times, seem to be the most dangerous parts of the school walk route. We all feel quite safe really close to the schools, and children do not feel as safe further out closer into the neighborhoods. Thank you.

Thank you. All right, questions on the motion to move forward with staff recommendation option one, moved by Council Member Powell, seconded by Council Member Falcone. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries 6-0. Thank you. All right, that concludes our business items. We are going to now move on to council reports, and I'll start with Deputy Mayor.

A couple items, but given that we have an executive session coming up, I will email them to the council.

I was just going to say that I think I'd give an update on the Cascade Water Alliance. I know that I missed the last meeting. You all had another presentation on rates. So as a board, we're continuing to have that discussion, particularly around the proposed capital a facility plan, funding plan that is, which is quite different than we've seen before in terms of just the overall magnitude of cost to implement the Cascade Supply Program. And I just want to thank city staff that are supporting us for preparing a letter. I don't know if the rest of the council has gotten a copy of the letter tha

Thank you for your leadership on that committee.

Councillor Falcone. Thank you, Madam Mayor. In the interest of time, I won't give full reports tonight, but as always, there are lots of meetings and events and wonderful things happening in the community and that we'll continue to enjoy. Thank you.

Yeah, I'll echo. I will send my updates via email. Thank you.

Two brief things. You might recall from our affordability discussions, solid waste is looking at options for long-term disposal, whether we export when the landfill fills, whether we export by rail or invest in a waste-to-energy facility. This is going to be a key part of the solid waste comprehensive plan that MISWAC is dealing with. SCA is really involved in this as part of the affordability work, and I've been asked to serve on the SCA working group on working with the county on that long-term disposal strategy. This group is a combination of people from MISWAC, the Solid Waste Advisory Com

Thank you. I can't top that. Lots of events. City Manager, to you.

So I was, Council Member Paschal and I have been talking about this because Council Member Paschal was the one in our last meeting to suggest that we go ahead and appoint, fill the teen youth. We decided to hold the recruitment to our normal recruiting process for the adult placements. So I suggested that we go ahead and move forward tonight. So I will hand it over to Council Member Paschal.

Yeah, well, I think you summed it up. I think, you know, we had an issue with not getting applicants for the two youth positions. We opened it back up. We got some great applicants. We're in the process of, you know, a very busy summer. It was really difficult to all get together to interview, to do the other interviews for the adult commissions. And given that... We're all pressed for time, and these are really two good applicants. I think we should move forward with these two motions. So I'm going to propose a motion to suspend Section 8.13 of the council policies and procedures relating to

It's been moved by Council Mayor Paschal, second by Deputy Mayor to suspend Section 8.13 so that we can point our two applicants to our youth positions. Any discussion? Council Member Falcone.

Thank you, Madam Mayor. I really appreciate these applicants for applying for these positions. As was mentioned, it was really hard to recruit for their applications do look great. I'm not comfortable appointing anyone to represent the city as an appointed official on a board or commission without interviewing them and meeting them first. So I do not support these motions. I would support, you know, some sort of compromise like a reduced interview committee. Maybe the interview selection committee could interview the folks. I just think it's important to screen and meet anyone who's going to b

Thank you. Anyone else? I am going to support this motion. These are two applicants. We actually met Ava. She has come forward to speak to council. And these are two qualified applicants. When we do interview youth members, they're short and sweet interviews. And frankly, we make them quite nervous when we interview them. And I think that these are strong applicants and we should move forward. No other comments? All right. The questions on the motion to suspend Section 8.13. All those in favor, please say aye.

Any opposed? No. All right. Motion carries 5-1. Thank you. Council Member Paschal.

Thank you, Mayor. A motion to appoint Ava Spanhauer as the youth member of the Park Board and Rehab as the youth member of the Transportation Commission, each for a term ending March 31st, 2028. Second.

Moved by Council Member Paschal, second by Deputy Mayor to appoint, as shown on the screen, the youth members to the Park Board and the Transportation Commission. Any discussion? All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? No. Motion carries 5-1. Thank you. City Manager, back to you.

Council, any questions? Councillor Arnold.

Thank you. I appreciate bringing this forward. I don't have a particular objection to this, but what we have done in the past for state advocacy, at least, is run things through the legislative work group, and I would note if there is council interest in looking at this, the work group already has a meeting scheduled for the end of the month, and we could come back to council for our August meeting if there was interest in more analysis on this.

Thank you, Council Mayor Arnold. FYI, did send it to government affairs and city manager to ask what the best way forward and legislative work group was not brought up. What is the time frame that we need to respond to this?

Thank you, Madam Mayor, and thank you, City Manager. And I appreciate your comments, Council Member Arnold. Thank you for that. I agree with Council Member Arnold. I think it might be prudent for us to have a little bit more discussion and legislative work group. I also think it looks like great legislation, right, that's worthy of supporting. One of the things that, for example, that stood out to me in addition to the context that you mentioned, is I didn't see crisis responders defined it as first responders in this, and I wonder if we could have a conversation with our Congresswoman about t

I happily defer to the legislative work group. So we don't need to make a motion, we can just.

No questions on that. Anyone? I have a couple additional items when you're ready.

I just want to respond to some of the items from the audience. We have received emails and testimony about code enforcement issues around the Pursuit Church, including helicopter landings. So perhaps we can get an update on that action and what's happening and what we can and can't do around helicopters. I also think it would be helpful to tell the public how we're responding to potential demonstrations at the end of the month. And thank you, Chief, for all the work you're doing around e-bikes and enforcement and education. and we are still not able to capture everybody who has concerns. I'm j

All right. We are now going to go into closed session to discuss collective bargaining. We expect to reconvene our regular meeting at approximately 11?