Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

I'd like to make a motion that we approve the June 8th Planning Commission meetings as submitted.

So the first one we have here this evening is the Building Elevations All Star Pediatrics, 19 East Brook Bend.

Yes, I do. Using any one of these pictures, could you just describe what you're going to do, where the colors are going to change?

Commissioner Halverson, any questions? No, it's pretty straightforward.

I'll make a motion to approve the building elevations for All Star Pediatrics at 19 Eastbrook Bend.

Okay, do we have anyone in attendance who would like to come up and speak in support of the issue?

I have one question. I may have others, but the one that comes to my mind has to do with health regulations pertaining to food in these push carts. How is that addressed in our code of ordinance? Or is the health department involved? What have you?

Got it. Just one more question, if you don't mind. Absolutely. When I go to some of these events, whether they're push carts or they're trailers, Are food trailers considered the same way as push carts?

I have a couple of questions. One, it says here that The carts aren't currently allowed. Food trucks aren't currently allowed in residential areas or near a home. But I've lived in two different neighborhoods where there's food trucks on the weekends. So how is that rule being bypassed?

Or nobody's complaining. Right. All right. That's one question. The second question is, are you familiar with why push carts weren't allowed in the first place?

I have two. Sure. Was there a recommendation by the city council as to their preference?

And then the second question has to do with... permitting, I mean, it's gonna be the same as a mobile food truck, which would mean any licenses that need to require to actually distribute whatever they're gonna distribute. All of that would have to be included within what they're doing, so someone can't just make their own cart and say they're permitted. They would have to be permitted and approved by the city. And whatever it is that they're doing would have to be regulated by whatever it is that they're.

I'll make something up for you later. Okay. I'm not diving anybody out.

So there's a business license involved and all of the other things that are associated with that.

I guess one other comment, and it's not necessarily a cautionary comment, but If we follow the same rules as currently written for the mobile food trucks, which says no alcohol is allowed to be served, that would be great to keep consistent. I can easily see someone coming back to us at some other point in time and asking for a variance saying that can mobile food trucks and push carts get an alcohol license?

I probably used the wrong word. But just some type of provision that allows it. Correct. The only challenge with that is that it's not a location. Yeah.

He's trying to shut down my margarita pushcart. Yeah, exactly.

So anyway, those are the questions I had.

which covers the operational requirements for food trucks.

I would like to see some sort of language that, and maybe it exists and I'm not seeing it, but if a neighborhood like Plantera Ridge decided that they want to have a food truck there or a push cart there, on a Saturday, they should be allowed to do that. And if the neighbors wanna complain, they can complain to the HOA and let them know that they don't want that in the future. I don't see that as our responsibility. If you're talking about a general neighborhood that's next to a store or a, like Lion Creek Brewery, which is not near residential, but if there's an establishment like that that w

If you don't mind. Sure. I would go farther. If there's an HOA, and I know some are not, they're unincorporated neighborhoods, if there's an HOA, the HOA should be able to make one request, one standing request that says we want to do this when we want to do this. We should be allowed. And again, if the neighborhood has an issue with it, they can tell the HOA they don't want it anymore. that they find it to be a burden. But for an HOA to have to make that request, let's say on a monthly basis, because Plain Territory Ridge did it every other week during the summer, they'd have to make that req

Now we're going to push carts, but I would, I would suggest that we change that language. And then as far as food trucks go, if I can make a couple of comments on that, I lived in DC for seven years and lived off of the things and the best hot dog food trucks and push carts, the best hot dog in the city was in a push cart right outside of my office. And they did, as similar as we just changed the rules for golf carts hanging their license, that's the same way that they hung their license. It was readily available, and they were required to follow the same health considerations as a restaurant.

So if... I'm the coach of a baseball team, and the season's over, and we're going to have a team party at my pool, and I want to have a push cart there for hot dogs. You would not allow that?

So we're talking about changing the ordinance.

Let me ask a question, if you don't mind. Sure. Why couldn't I go along with Jack's comments and yours? Overall, I don't think we should allow it to be a broad blanket saying that no neighborhoods, no residential neighborhoods. But why couldn't a homeowners association have a one-time permit for a year? So that you don't have this arduous process of having to get a renewal once a year or once every week or every month. So make an exception for homeowners association saying an association can come and do a once a year type of permit request.

So I think we're starting to touch on other ordinances if we want to go to that extent and I don't know if we have enough detail to do that. Can I clarify something? I don't want

No, I'm honoring the places, Commissioner.

My opinion is this. We should limit the conversation to the pushcart to the pushcart regarding opening it up to the residential piece. I think if any residential whatever category it is, if they want to do it, they should get a permit and do it that way. Opening up to be a free-for-all for whenever and however, I think would be against the intent. And they can still achieve what they want to achieve by just going through the right procedure and getting a permit. And so I think it's, most attorneys will tell you if you have an issue, you try and contain it and keep it smaller. And rather than o

My next question would be where does an ice cream truck fall into this that's driving through a residential neighborhood? Good point.

I would like to address the question that we're addressing tonight. Sure. And shut that down. Yep. Or open it up, you know. But I would like to have a conversation about – Because I think that language is restrictive, too restrictive. And I'd be interested in what other people think about it. The food truck not being able to be in a residential area. Got it.

We can stop. I don't want to drag you out.

on the previous discussion regarding the permits being displayed on the food, on the push carts. Would those permit, again, I'm gonna go back to my original question. Big concern I have about these food trucks or these push carts is health.

Well, I would like to see some kind of – official health department stamp of approval. Yes, that's what we received. They will have to be displayed just like the restaurants in the region.

And then one other question. Have you looked at perhaps, maybe it's just too small of a subject, but how other cities are handling bush carts? Best practices.

I will make the motion that we cancel the July 27th, 2026 meeting. Okay.

Yeah, I'm out of town on the 10th. Okay, so it may be the best. Okay.

Okay, so we'll continue to have the consultant meet with us at the second meeting. Yes, sir. That makes good sense. Okay. Okay, anything else, staff?