City Council - Regular Meeting

Good evening, all. Thank you for being here on such a beautiful day. Please join me in the Pledge of Allegiance.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Present. And just as a matter of course, we like to recognize when we have young people in our audience. We've got a few back there. We love to have them. We know that we rely on our next generation to carry forward the work that we do tonight, and we're happy to see them here. The first item on our agenda is the approval of the agenda. Do I hear a motion to approve? Motion to approve.

All in favor? Aye. Motion passes. Next, we have three sets of minutes. to approve minutes of May 5th. Do I hear a motion? Second. Motion has been moved and seconded. All those in favor? Aye. Motion passes. Second minutes, May 12th. Do I have a motion to approve? Motion to approve.

Any opposed? Motion passes. And the final set of minutes for June 2nd. Motion to approve? So moved. Second. Moved and seconded. All those in favor? Aye. Motion passes. We will now move on to the portion of our meeting for citizen comments. Could the clerk please provide the instructions on public comments?

Thank you. Our first citizen comments will come from John Hopkins, former mayor.

Arts Commission, we're looking to beef up that. So if some of your artists would be interested in serving that capacity, I'd appreciate you reaching out. Thank you. Next, we'll hear from Jim Jenkins.

Thank you. Next we'll hear from Rose Pettit-Conway.

Thank you. We'll next hear from Val Dent.

Thank you. Next we'll hear from Zach Sanders.

Thank you. Next, we'll hear from Jim Detweiler.

Thank you. Our next speaker will be Michael Craven.

So we're kind of following the same pattern. Excuse me, Mr. Mayor. This is out of hand. You need to monitor this meeting. This brings us back to... They're accusing us being Nazis and it's out of hand. What? No, no, no. Not you, sir. No. You're implying that. Thank you, Mr. Mayor, for taking control. Sorry.

Our city attorney is. I'm sorry. What's your question, Mayor? You heard Council Member Kastema's comments that this was inappropriate. These comments are inappropriate.

I do feel the need to respond here that the flagpole is due for delivery in the next week or so. It will be installed. There are some details in terms of treatment to the flagpole to make sure that it is stands up to the weather and so forth. So it's not invisible. It will be here. It's taking a little longer than expected, but there is no fraud or anything going on in this city. Thank you. With that, that's the last of the requested citizen comments. Is there anybody that would like to speak from the floor? OK, well, I'll take this one over here. Please state your name and address or district

Are there any other citizens who would like to speak?

Any additional? Okay, we'll move on to the consent agenda. The consent agenda is the portion of our agenda that is considered to be non-controversial, and therefore we can approve it. as a group. Do any of my colleagues feel the need to remove anything from the consent agenda at this time? Hearing none, is there a motion to approve the consent agenda?

Second. The motion has been moved and seconded. All those in favor? Any motion passes. Okay, now we will move on to our ordinances. We'll have a first reading of an ordinance amending Chapter 8.08, Animals, and Chapter 20.20, Single-Family Resident Zones of the Puyallup Municipal Code. And we'll have a presentation from Shane Pierron.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I want to go back to, I'm glad you differentiated between smaller livestock versus large. So let's go back to that for a moment. I know you talked about some of the mini goats or mini sheep or whatever these type of animals are. This new revised proposal, how does that increase the ratio of how many animals on an acre or under an acre lot? Tell me what that increases it from. Where does it currently now and then where would it go to allow for higher density, taking in light the smaller nature size of the animal?

Yeah, so I get the large animal, but if you're, let's just say you're allowed with this new code, two large animals per half acre or something, if I understand correctly, it would seem to me you would be able to duplicate that to more smaller animals per half acre and not just two.

So here's what I'm thinking, not to put you on the fly. I'm going to go ahead and support this with a contingency that we get that information back before second reading. I'd like to know how many small animals are going to be allowed with this new revision to make sure if we're going to make changes, let's make responsible changes now, then do it again another time later. I know that some of the goats and even some of the sheep, they don't really have a problem with a lot of stinky stuff going on. And even their waist is much like a rabbit pellet, so they're really not very smell-orientated.

Okay, two per 10,000. Okay, that's great. So that's, yeah, that's plenty, I think, in an acre you're talking about.

Yeah, that's good. So with that contingency in mind, I fully support this ordinance first reading. I'd like to make a motion to do such to entertain approval of first reading as stated here before us in item 4A.

We have a motion. Second. We have a motion and a second. Any further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor? Aye. Motion passes. Thank you, Shane. We'll now move on to considerations and request presentation of considerations of installing a Goodroots Northwest food distribution locker at the city's Memorial Center. City Manager Steve Kirkley will introduce our speaker from Goodroots.

Welcome, Stacy, and we're happy to have you with us. And I'd just like to go on record. You've already got a food locker up at Pierce College in the city, correct? We do, yes. Thank you. Perfect.

Stacy, just a quick question, just so I understand what that $80,000 is. Is that the cost of the locker themselves? It sounded like it was going to cover some of the operating costs.

So I'm still not clear. The first year is $80,000. How much was the second year? $24,930.

Yeah, perfect. And we'd like to recognize our former mayors. We've got a former mayor, Bill Pugh, from Sumner. You beat me to the introduction. I'd like to recognize him as well. Thank you for being here. Thank you for your work on Good Roots.

Thank you. Boy, Bill, a question I have for you. You know, as Mayor of Sumner, you talked about partnerships, but I noticed that there is no MOU with Sumner. What's up with that?

Stacy, thank you for coming here. Appreciate that. I assume, can you get us a P&L? I would appreciate that. My email is pretty easy to find. I would appreciate that. So let me ask you, you mentioned you get government grants. What percentage of your income is by government grants as opposed to private contributions?

Thank you. The number of volunteers, do you have volunteers who help you? 215 active. How many of those are from Puyallup? Just curious.

That would be a good number yet. How do you screen people to see who is eligible for these services?

Okay, so there's no verification of that. But if they say that they're, so I assume if they self-identify a certain income and they're above a threshold, you don't serve them.

Where do you say, sorry, you make too much money?

So in other words, you just take anyone regardless of income?

Even if they declare, I make $100,000 a year, you would still serve them?

You would hope. Yeah. But you have no threshold, though. In other words, self-declaring at 100,000, you're leaving it up to the person to say, I'm not going to get the food.

Right. And those are federal requirements. I got that. Are you familiar with our city's community grants program? I am, yes.

I have not. OK, that is a way to vet all of these numbers, your P&L, and go through all of that. And that's what we make everybody in Puyallup do. I mean, we happen to have the largest independent food bank in the state of Washington, which is right over there next to the train station. And then we also have St. Francis House, which has pantry, food pantry there. And in those circumstances, they have to come before us every year through the Community Grants Program, where we do a very close analysis of your P&L and, again, service numbers here. And then we give a grant from there. And I would

Do you mind if I ask a question? Absolutely.

I don't know the exact numbers, but I would say that they're open on Saturdays. And I think that also, considering how much community support they have here, they're all funded by funders from here. They don't get government grants. other than that $20,000 our food bank does. That's all they get from the government. Everything else is from private sector and personal contributions. So that's the kind of support level they have. And we would certainly, if we're looking like I think Bill Pew mentioned the fact that Sumner's now expanded their hours, We have partnerships right now that are fully

But I am a former director right here. I suggest it's probably pretty high.

I think they solicit that $20 million from the private sector, and they don't go to the government sector because of many of the regulations that you just mentioned. And they have the ability to identify people in need, I think, of income groups. And actually, Stacy, this is really a good conversation. We should get the president of the St. Francis House and the director and food bank We should get presentations from them, too. And I look forward to us doing that. Usually, again, the process is all vetted through our community grants program. That's what I would prefer. But I think some of the

I get that. I agree. And I would think that since they target by income, because they're able to do that, that they would address a lot of those people and target it as opposed to giving it blanket and adhering to the federal guidelines. But if there's a gap... We should talk about that, but that gap, again, what we're looking for in Puyallup is we're not looking for dependency. We're looking to help people make through areas of their life and become self-reliant. And so that does require that we look at the current situation where they're at income-wise, etc., And again, I don't mind comparin

Thank you. Appreciate that. That finishes my comments.

I just want to put things in context. Dan, could you tell us what the amount of our community grants contributions were last year?

Thank you. I think it's about $180,000. OK. Council Member Adler.

Thank you. Thank you, Stacy and Good Roots team for being here. I appreciate it. I appreciate the detailed presentation. I have a few thoughts. One is, having served on the Community Grants Committee, I'm pretty familiar how that works. I would just point out it may be $20,000 a year, but I would question how much overall in the lifetime of the Puyallup Food Bank the city of Puyallup has invested into the Puyallup Food Bank. I think they've been around for over 50 years, so I would be curious. to find out that number, as well as St. Francis House, both of which I have personally supported fina

And thank you. And has there been a time yet where a municipality or frankly, any of your leaseholders come to you and said, we're out. This has been so disruptive. Please take this away.

Thank you. Sorry, not to interrupt you. The expansion at Pierce College Has happened yet?

I don't mean to have you answer for the Pierce County Council, but if my recollection of how the Pierce County Council legislates and does their budgeting, I believe that that was more or less like an earmark, right? Correct. Thank you. I know another colleague here has their button pushed and would like to speak, and I'm sure some of my other colleagues. But this is very matter of fact to me. And so I'm going to make a motion that the city of Puyallup uses tier three one-time funds of $80,000 to land a Good Roots locker pending MOU lease agreement at Grayland Park Memorial Center as intended.

We have a motion and a second. Is there any further discussions? Council Member Smolko.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I want to address the dependency argument first, directly. The evidence on food security doesn't support it. You know this. People don't use food assistance because it's comfortable. They use it because groceries are expensive and paychecks don't stretch. A food locker doesn't create a need. It responds to a need that already exists in the city. I want to put this $80,000 request in context. Four months ago, this same council approved $149,775.40 for a flagpole, nearly double what we're being asked to consider tonight, funded with existing taxpayer dollars over significan

Mr. Mayor, I move that we postpone indefinitely this motion and that we wait for them to go through the process. And then we will have it before us. The motion can be made, even though I'm not... Council Member Castaneda, you do not have the floor.

I made the motion. Ask the parliamentarian. We had a motion on the floor. We had a second. And we're now having discussion.

I'd like to get a ruling by our attorney as to a motion to postpone indefinitely is, in fact, appropriate when a motion is made and seconded. That's why I ask the motion to be postponed indefinitely till we go through this process. Thank you. OK. Attorney Beck?

Thank you. Thank you. OK. So Councilmember King.

I think I'm in. Never mind. I see my name as number two, but if you want to give Councilmember King, that's fine.

I try to allow councilmembers to speak, anybody that wants to speak before somebody gets a second chance. That's fair. Councilmember King.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor, and thank you for coming tonight and giving us your presentation. Appreciate that. I just wanted to make sure I was following. Council Member Adler made a question. Were there any other cities that had any discrepancies or issues with the locker? And I wasn't sure if I got that. Maybe I missed it.

My other question to that is because of the funding procurement for the colleges from the federal government. Was there any discussion about having a lopper over at WSU in our downtown core on the west side?

Council Member Kastner. I would like to move to postpone this indefinitely and have them go through the same process that our food bank and other nonprofits for the community grants so we can vet a lot of this. She, in fact, agrees that we should vet all of these other organizations first. So I move that we just postpone indefinitely so that we get the information and we see what all of our partners here will do in Puyallup.

Point of order. Mr. Parliamentarian, can you speak to the underlying motion that's live on the table, the process?

and it does require a second and it is debatable all right so uh dan could have you looked up the amount of the community grants yes mr mayor last year the city awarded 179 500 in community grants and and those are generally operating funds am i correct uh so and they can be capital and But normally they're operating funds that are repeated annually.

But characterized, they tend to be repeat. We see people coming back. year after year requesting funds.

Yes, okay. Wanted to make that point. So it's a little different than what we're discussing tonight. Tonight we're discussing a capital item.

Mr. Mayor, I still have the floor. I still have not completed. However, I did make a motion. I guess I am looking for a second.

I wanted to clarify that before I called for a second, and I think that I had the floor, but we won't pick at that. So Deputy Mayor Johnson.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thanks, Stacy. I haven't chatted with you for a while. I remember viewing some of those lockers when you were over at the Highway 410 area. I think I do recall the initiative to get up at Pierce College. Glad those are going well. I'm kind of inclined favorably for this locker, but I guess I'm frustrated because this is really the first time we've ever openly discussed this here. And it seems a little quick moving, not that we talked about bureaucratic sluggishness. I don't think we're quite to that level, but it does seem rather fast. And I think, you know, Council Membe

Well, I'll respond, Mr. Mayor, since I didn't ask for any comments, but you offered them. And then I won't want to comment from this. I want to kind of straighten out the record. When I say pump the brakes, it's the first time that we as a council collectively have discussed this issue, not individually. Oh, I see. So I want to clarify that there's a process, as you may or may not know, with city councils, that we cannot talk about these things with more than three people without considering a violation of the public health act. So when I say pump the brakes, it's the first time this has offic

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Just as a clarification, obviously, this first ask was originally for the $80,000. Will there be a continued ask for that $24,930 each additional year moving forward? Is that something that you intend to do?

Sure. No, I appreciate that. And I appreciate everything that you shared with us tonight. Obviously, we do have a need in our city. And I do think that your model is very unique. And so I don't want you to be discouraged by the comments that you had heard tonight.

Oh, welcome. And I wouldn't take it, and I know it might be difficult to hear it this way, but I wouldn't take it personally because as one of my colleagues said, this is a process.

And this is the first time we've had a chance to discuss this as a council. And so, you know, as... Other things have been brought into this discussion. Those other things took a couple times to get right, and we got it right. And so with that, don't be discouraged. Keep fighting the good fight. Keep marching and doing the right thing, and I look forward to seeing this another time. Great. Thank you. Okay.

Councilmember Kastema. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Stacey, there's no offense intended at all. It's just that we have other partners in this city who provide this service. They provide food. And it's unfair to those members that they go through a process of evaluation through our community grants program that look at the P&Ls that do an examination of them And in this case, we go around that entire process that we have set up in the city, and it just shows favoritism, shows special privilege. And I don't think that that's in line with what we have always talked about with our community grants. And i

Well, it wasn't on, you know, the first I had ever heard of an allocation associated with this was this weekend. When I received a PowerPoint, that was the first I'd ever heard of an allocation. And I thought, wow, that's going around the entire process that we laid out. And I hear a lot of ideas out there, a lot of different presentations. There's a lot of difference between that and then implementing it and asking us to fund that without the input of our partners and without going through the process that, again, seems like favoritism. And we don't want to do that.

I'm not saying it was unjust. I'd like to wind this up. Thank you. Thank you, Stacy. We do have a motion on the floor that's been moved and seconded to postpone this item until a later date.

Clarification. Point of clarification. I actually think there was no amendment to the motion to remove indefinitely, quote unquote.

I think, Mr. Mayor, may I comment? A motion that is made that's called a motion to postpone indefinitely is a motion that postpones it for the remainder of the session. That's a Roberts Rules order. And I think our attorney can advise on that, hopefully. He can correct me. It's been years since I've made that motion. But that means that as of this meeting here... Can we get the parliamentarian's position, please? That's fine with me, Council Member Adler.

I lost you there a little bit, Joe. Could you restate that?

OK. Mr. Mayor, may I please make a comment? Yes. Thank you. Stacy, I just want to say, I want to take it to her. I want to learn more. And I'm a little fuzzy on, I just want to be able to make a comment before we vote on anything. And that is, is it possible for us to, or maybe that, I believe in process. I believe in doing things the right way and not trying to show favoritism in the community. I get all of that. But is there a way that we can kind of create baby steps in the direction of maybe saying, yes, we want to look into an MOU sooner than later so that when the funds do come in, we ca

And how efficient are we with the timing of that?

Okay. Well, I'm excited for the funds to come in and doing the due process for that, so thank you.

Okay. Are we there? Are we there? Motion to postpone indefinitely. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed?

Nay. Motion passes. We'll now move on to our other business. We'll have a presentation on the 2027-28 biennial budget by Finance Director Barbara Lopez.

I'd just like to make the comment that those road statistics cause me great dismay. And that's a task we need to take on as a council, in my opinion. Council Member Kastema.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. So we passed the transportation, I get the acronyms all messed up.

Yes. Help me out here, Barb, because I thought when we did that, all of our shortcomings, all of our consternation with everything dealing with transportation would be over. And I look at this maintenance budget and the gap we have to fill there. What's the long-term prognosis?

Correct. We still do pay, however, correct, out of the general fund.

Thank you. Any other questions, comments? Deputy Mayor Johnson.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. This is a question that I think I learned from my colleague, Council Member Castema. But I'd love to know, and even in future presentations, to know how we're doing compared to other cities within Pierce County in terms of financial health. It's always, I mean, obviously we're focused on responsibility to take care of the needs of Puyallup, but it helps us appreciate to know the storm when other boats are facing headwinds. And it might reassure us that although it may be difficult compared to what it could be in neighboring cities, they're dealing with things much, much m

Well, maybe Talika could help with that in terms of some metrics that would take a look at that. So, I mean, again, I'm not looking at analytical exact, but just overall general budget. You know, we're 2% under, 1% under, over, whatever. kind of some good company or in better company is helpful. So anyway, that would be some thoughts on that. But other than that, I think he helps in pretty good shape considering how tough it is. And I will affirm personally that, you know, we're going through some tough times. There's no question about that. And, you know, the pain pinch, at least for a lot of

Yeah, I think our ratio is pretty good. Let's see, I'm trying to think. There's one other thing that's interesting I was going to mention, and blasted, I can't think of it. But overall, I think we're in great shape. So thank you, Barbara.

Thank you. Thank you both for the presentation. I always enjoy when solutions are brought forward. Although we're not making that decision here today, I do appreciate the recommendation and teeing it up for a more thoughtful conversation in the future related to tapping some of those tier three dollars, for which, when we get there, I will be supportive of. And I really want to thank you for starting and setting the tone of your presentation related to affordability and what individuals are having to deal with every day in this economic environment and being very sensitive to that. That's very

Council Member Kastema. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I was thinking about data, if we could look at per capita numbers. In other words, per capita, what is our maintenance budget? What's our capital construction budget, et cetera, on a per capita basis? That would be interesting, you asking about metrics. And that might be a way to approach that.

OK, any more questions or comments? OK, let us move on to our Puyallup Public Library Strategic Plan, presented by Library Director Nicole.

Councilmember Kastema. Thank you. Two of my favorite words, strategic plan. So a question I have, what do you think are the, if you can give me three of the biggest challenges that the library is going to face in the next five years?

Okay, other question. How will AI... influence the library system here and you know if you want to kind of talk further in scope feel free to do so but how will it impact the city of Puyallup library that's a huge topic but I think what I will answer is you know for us the

So someone will, excuse me, a little liberty there. So someone will just publish 10 books a month. They could.

Fascinating. Thank you. Yep. Any other questions? I should never ask Deputy Mayor Johnson. Thank you, Mayor.

Yeah. Do you still operate a independent library board? Are they fairly active? Or is that kind of fizzled out over the years? And give me a little bit about that aspect of that.

Board appointments committees the library boards not on our Oversight is it that's that independent board or what? Pursuant to the P out municipal code appointments to the library board and made directly by the city manager. Oh say oh you oh you you do that What was the rationale behind? I'm just curious of history on that. I mean we appoint boards to every single You know aspect of our study, but why is this one independent? It's interesting. I think the council should look at that. Is this the only board that's independent that's appointed as kind of an oddity?

Right, but there's representation by the council on those, right?

Yeah, so there's somebody on the council. But I think it sounds like the library is the only unique one that has no representation by the council and or is not appointed by the council committee. team, is that, or the council and direct, right? That's correct. Pursuant to the code. I'd like to take a look at that. Maybe have someone take a look at, is that something we want to incorporate with the rest of the boards as they have with every other board that we have as a process, unless there's some RCW that prevents us from doing that. This is an internal something through Puyallup. Maybe it'd

Oh, no doubt about Steve, but the council runs the city, and Steve works for us collectively, and I think if council wanted to, we could certainly implement that consistently. But don't doubt that he's not doing a great job. I don't doubt that at all. I do want to go back to the AI products of books. You mentioned that... As a library industry or as a library individually that you don't purchase or participate any AI developed books? Is that correct? Is that industry or just policy for this one?

Boy, that's interesting to me. Maybe there's some reasoning behind it, but it seems to me a little bit discriminatory if someone wants to use a tool. I remember the old days of coming out with a typewriter. If you did it handwritten, then we would buy it, but if you use a typewriter, we're not going to buy it anymore. That's interesting to me that that would be a disenfranchise of somebody. I mean, there could be a screening process, but to ban all works, writing works, that someone used an AI tool to put the information together is interesting to me. But this is a learning curve, right? So ri

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Nicole, I just want to say you're phenomenal. I appreciate your professionalism, the way that you work with community partners, being on the Library Foundation Board myself, the way you keep us all in line to the best of your ability, but just share with us your needs so that we as active community members can work on behalf of of the library and support you and your great work. So Nicole is a phenomenal leader. She listens to her team. She supports people really well. She supports the community really well. It goes out of her way to find out what's going on and how to me

Thank you. Thank you, Nicole. Appreciate it. We'll now have our city manager's report.

Thank you. We'll move on to Councilmember reports.

Councilmember Kastema. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. To address a few comments that were made this evening, just so the public knows, there's no data centers that are planned that I have scoured everywhere for the city of Puyallup. We have had a data center already since 2011 at the Benaroya facility. Then Voltage Park AI and artificial intelligence data center did come in last year. I think most of us here attended the opening of that. I agree with many of the concerns that the audience has that we have to be very careful. in light of expanding data centers and what we're seeing across the United Sta

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Yeah, I mean, what a phenomenal night of discussion and debate and conversation and hearing from those in public comment. In particular, the nurses that were here. We hope that they will be able to work through those bargaining agreements and being able to be paid and being able to stay around in our city, that would be a phenomenal situation to occur sooner than later so that way we don't lose great nurses in our city. Just a little update about the flag. Last numbers that I heard, we were at 57,000 right now in total monies raised with, I know, more that have pledged th

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'll keep it short and sweet. I just wanted to remind everybody to vote. Check out your mailboxes for your voters' pamphlets and your ballots should be coming soon if you haven't gotten them already. And get out the vote. Thank you.

Thank you, Mayor Whitting. I can't believe I'm about to say this. I may get some some fans, might get a few non-fans, but I too enjoy the Fourth of July, but I was kind of wondering if maybe... Purell might at some point look at Not banning but limiting the amount of fireworks going off and deep into the night And I know that this is a 250th and I believe in you know blowing out fireworks and having a good time But it seems like every year seems to be a little bit more intense and I think about you know people are dealing with you know trauma and I think about animals and and tranquilizers and

Thank you. I'll be very short and sweet. I'll just say, to piggyback off of the deputy mayor's comments about tomorrow, or tomorrow, Thursday, Thursday's concert. And the band Slim Whizzy, Dr. Corliss is a part of that band, who's a multi-care provider, very well known. And they performed at Red White and Kaboom, and they were pretty terrific. So I've had the good fortune of being enjoying their jams many times, but they were really great on Red, White, and Kaboom. I'll just echo many of the comments from my colleagues here tonight related to the 4th of July America 250 celebration. I am grate

I will allow you to provide that, city manager.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I just agree with all of my colleagues' comments on the celebration of our 250th birthday for our nation. I also was very moved by the Declaration of Independent Reading. But I also really appreciated Lieutenant Governor Denny Hex sharing as well. He's a phenomenal man. During the Red White and Kaboom, I have a little confession to make. I definitely spent a lot of time there. And I was in direct heat. And I got to see a lot of my students over the summer. I'm one of those teachers that actually likes my kids. And they're like, Miss Kelly. Anyway, OK. But I got really ove

Okay, a couple of things. I went on a tour this past week of the lower Puyallup. There's a flood control zone district that's been formed to study the area down there. It's susceptible to flooding and could cause some pretty serious damage. Hans Unger is representing the city in a lot of that work and I think he's doing a great job, but it's something that we need to be aware of and and pay attention to, I think. I also appreciate Councilmember Castema's words about John Adams and Thomas Jefferson. And on that note, I'd like to mention that there's an organizational meeting for Braver Angels,

Mr. Matt's thank you. So so this is a little bit different in that. This is a unique situation that the this particular organization went down the wrong path. And so they would apparently miss out. But if we feel like we need to open it up for all, I would like to make the motion that we open up our community grants process for one week so that Good Roots can get into that.

Yep. It's been moved and seconded. All those in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Thank you. Appreciate it. And we will now adjourn into executive session to discuss with city attorneys litigation or potential litigation in which the city, the city council, or a council member acting in an official capacity is or is likely to become a party. The executive session is expected to last 45 minutes, and no further action is expected. Meeting recessed.