City Council - Regular Meeting
The Cedar City Council swore in a new police officer, discussed master-planned road designations and fire mitigation concerns, and advanced several administrative items.
About this meeting
- Government Body
- City Council
- Meeting Type
- City Council
- Location
- Cedar City, UT
- Meeting Date
- October 21, 2026
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Thank you. We will now... Sorry, no. You're good. I'll entertain a motion on the agenda.
Yes, Mayor, I would move that we approve the agenda order for this work meeting October 21st. Second.
We have a motion and a second. All in favor?
Okay. First one, Councilman Golan asked me just before for a moment of personal privilege to give you an update. I had a meeting with the university that's helping us work through that strategic planning process for our departments.
Thank you, Mayor. This will be brief. Today we had a meeting. A kind of a status meeting with the professors involved as well as the leadership of the student group that is helping us to consolidate and move forward with the project. We are right now at a stage where we have consolidated all the input by not only staff but members of the council. They have been categorized into five primary strategies. with some of the points below them to support the strategic intent of each one of those... primary... strategies... either tonight or tomorrow morning early...... our city manager or mayor mysel
Thank you. All right, our next item is the swearing-in of a new patrol officer. Chief Adams.
We're still a big city compared to Salina.
We're a small city compared to West Valley City. That's so true.
Well, welcome. Thank you. I was going to say that, but I didn't say that.
Sounds like you guys have done this a few times. Probably got some practice. He's got the vest on underneath.
I think she needs to do it again after you sign the official document. I'm just kidding. Well done.
She was one of the teachers that won the I Love Where I Live essay.
Were you not one of the teachers that won, your student won one of the essays? Yeah. I know, I've seen her in these chambers before. Yeah, I know.
Hey, hey. Some of us grew up there. Thank you, Chief. Thank you.
All right. Next item on the agenda is a discussion on the master plan road in the vicinity of 725 North and 1450 West.
We've gone so long without seeing Mike Platt in our chambers, and this is what brought us here.
Well, Mr. Platt, welcome. Long time no see.
Hold on, yesterday you had on a different hat. What was last night's?
Can you point out where your property is?
Can you scroll down just a little bit, Kent? I know we're going to talk about probably 52 as well, but okay, there we go.
Where's the barn right now that was just... Barn is about right...
What's the other lot across 151 from you guys to the north? Who owns that? Do you know?
So that's with Smith Diesel. What about the one just to the east?
Because, I mean, I... Sorry, you keep going and then I'll give you my thoughts.
Because he hasn't had to pull a billing permit. No building permit, no road required, no, is that, I mean, pulling a business license, for example, with Mr. Childs, that doesn't trigger a... It doesn't trigger.
So that's how come both the Connexes and Mr. Childs, neither of them triggered an improvement. Correct.
Okay. Is there a deeded right-of-way that already exists to the east going out towards I-15?
So just so I understand, where the yellow dots are, is that the proposed master plan road?
He said the yellow. The yellow one. He was looking at 51, 151.
It's a dead end, one spot and a dead end on the other. So it doesn't go to the north at all.
And then you want to access straight south? They've already built in an access. They traded land.
So the brown dots that go north and then somewhat west again, they don't go all the way to the airport road?
No. So you want to vacate that. That's what this meeting is for. Yes.
Randall, per our ordinance that we passed a while ago, were all these neighbors notified of this master plan change?
I agree with Robert. It doesn't go anywhere. And my thought would be continue... Beans how the 151 stops on one end, stops on the other, and as long as you have access, nobody gets landlocked. I would say continue. I don't see any reason why we can't take it up.
Before we go any further, perhaps we ought to ask staff to have some comments on that.
Yeah, I do want to hear from staff, but the only other thing would be, and why I brought that up is I would like to hear from, I want to hear what the other neighbors have to say. I mean, if that is indeed owned by Smith Diesel, again, I don't have any idea what their plans are, but I mean... You know, maybe if they're going to plan on moving their business there, maybe they'd like to have more of a nicer road for their clients to come in and out of. I don't know. We don't know because they're not here because they haven't been notified yet. So that would be just my only thought. Outside of wh
I mean, that's... And is it... It's already asphalted, right? Or is it a... No. No.
See, I mean, I just don't also love having a dedicated gravel road either, but...
Yeah. Kent, why don't you weigh in from your engineer perspective here.
Right there where the 52 is on your... Right there where the 52 is and you're going west, you don't border any of that property for the first block, do you? No, that's all Tom's. Okay, and that road's going to stay there. Is that correct?
Okay, so, and you don't own the property to the north. Just a question, why are you trying to take out this road right on the north end of your property? Here?
Yeah, that's where he's pointing at. He's pointing on his screen thinking you can see it, but you can't.
Yeah, where are you talking about? So I understand. Right there. Thank you.
So with this property where that line is, you don't own the north property. Above that property. They don't own that one or this one? The road through Tom Jett's stays there, right? It's not going to be changed.
I'm just saying, how would these people, how would they get access to their property?
But currently there's not a dedicated road up next to Tom's, between Tom's and the storage containers.
Okay, there's a 30-foot section that's dedicated.
Well, we have to get people up into here. I think trying to get the airport road through all this stuff, I don't want to go through the city yard. That would be a disaster. No, we're not going to do that. We're not doing that.
Mike, can I ask you a question? Is it really a problem of having that road versus it's frustrating to be asked to pay for that whole road when people should have put it in Getting to your property. Because if it was already to the edge of your property line, is there a road? Then you would not have a problem.
But none of them have developed requiring the road improvement.
No, it is not right. So right now are they telling you you've got to fix the road from 52 all the way across?
You should only have to do half. The other guys can pay their other half.
I don't see where you should have to pay for the north side, maybe 12 feet past center and that'd be it. Well, that's what it would be.
So I have a couple questions. Kent, what is it currently? Master plan is what size of road?
Is that our least, and that includes curb, gutter, sidewalk?
Okay. I mean, here's my honest feelings, Matt. I get, or sorry, what? Mike. Sorry. Matt, Mike, Platt.
I think that was the most offensive thing that's ever been said to him.
Probably. You've been covered. No, having it as this 55-foot master-planned road, curb, all that kind of stuff, I see where you're coming from. At the same time, though... And I don't know how we get there. I'm just talking. We're just spitballing here. This is a discussion. It's not an actual agenda item. I'd like to at least see some type of like just a chip sealed road going down there. I don't know how we get there, but it's like, I agree with you. It doesn't need to be this big master plan road, I don't think, because it goes to nowhere, right? But at the same time, I also see a problem w
Sorry, you're probably whatever you're gonna ask is much more important You know, I'm looking at all of this and I'm not an expert in any of that stuff You know that might better than anybody else in the room We've talked a couple times and sometimes I look at you cross-eyed because I don't know what you're talking about. But I That's on me. I see all the property lines. I see roads that aren't roads. I see, like, for instance, in Tom's property, there's already structures there. You're planning to put a small industrial PUD with buildings and some kind of industrial usage. I'm assuming once B
No, but I don't want to know where you're going to be. I want to know how the whole area gets affected.
I don't disagree with you at all, Mike, and the logic is absolutely 100% sound. That's why I'm asking the questions. in terms of safety and accessibility, either coming or going. And it's not necessarily directed at you. It's directed at all of us because, you know, I mean, we could go forever saying, okay, well, we don't want to really disrupt our facility because that will make it a mess. But it's already a mess. We want to get rid of this master plan road. So now we don't have formal access to airport road. We only have a couple of entrances down on industrial road. But how do you get to th
Just a couple of questions. I mean, and some are comments to think about, like whether it's an industrial small development or whatever it's going to be, there's three properties on the north that we don't know what's going to happen because BZI is going to be eventually moving. And whether they sell that property, we don't know who will take it. I mean, there's a lot of unknowns there. But you're still going to have to have access to sewer, water, things which I'm assuming are in that road, but that's an assumption. I don't know that.
It's a private line. So where is the city line kept for water, if you don't mind my asking that? Industrial. Industrial?
So as you develop, are you going to have to go off that private line, or are you going to come up from industrial?
So Tom's private line just taps into the public line?
And I need somebody from the city, whether it's you, Ryan, or whether it's you, Kent, explain to me, because I hear quite strongly from Councilman Schmidt that we can't possibly go through the city yard. And so I need to know why we couldn't.
Yeah, but you can secure fences on the other side.
We don't want to do that. It wouldn't be straight because it would interfere with the buildings.
We just did two rows out by the golf course and neither one of them are straight.
Yeah, you you don't want to be crossing back and forth people trying to go to one side then to the other I would hate to see the road go through the middle of it. Okay.
Yep Casper no key a couple of questions Do we know when this road was added to the master plan? I?
That was one of the things I was trying to get to. We sit here and say, well, how come we didn't update the road when we put in the yard? Well, the yard was there before the road was master planned.
The animal adoption shelter. That's it. Shelter.
So just the other thing I was going to say to Councilman Cox's point, and one of the things that we do have to try to remember, I mean, we're sitting here now talking about... If we require them to do it, it's a road to nowhere, right? But anybody now, most likely it was designed this way. Tom can speak otherwise if that's the case. Most likely we know nothing will ever be developed right here on the south side of that road because that lot is so tiny. Where are we looking? Right there. That'll probably never have a building permit pulled. But that's not to say, I mean, if the Brimleys ever pu
And I think the hard part from a staff enforcement standpoint is every development has the same problem. You've got to put in infrastructure, and sometimes it's the other side of the road's not done, or you're having to run it past a property you don't own to get infrastructure to the piece you want to develop. That's just part of development. Yep. The argument of... The city having different rules, that I agree with. We have to follow the same rules if we would expect a tax parity.
I still don't get how we didn't follow the same rule.
Because we did a significant improvement to that whole building.
Okay, so just walk me through this then. In that situation... where it touches the property in a T-shape, like what part do we just do the 50 feet? That's all we would have had? I mean, per our ordinance, Kent, when we pulled the permit to redo the building, how much of that road per the ordinance would we have been? But there's no road that goes there. The road doesn't go there. You're talking about the one that goes up behind and through.
So to Matt's point, Mike, geez, where did I get Matt from? I know, but why am I so stuck on Matt? Sorry. To Mike's point, so if we were to just turn it into a dedicated road, not a master planned road, Randall, what does that look like? So each person gives some of the, I mean, how do we end up with all the road dedicated to the city and what does that road look like?
But as soon as we, if we unmaster plan it and take it as a, just a dedicated road, if, if we ever wanted asphalt down there, we would be putting the bill up. Not any of the property owners.
So with that. Mike, I mean, even if we change it to a dedicated road, which sounds like that's what you were inclined to ask us to do, then what do we do about the improvements still have to happen? What is the thought there?
And as just a dedicated road, not a master-planned road, we then have the ability to change what that road looks like, like the one we just did on 100 East, correct? It doesn't have... I mean, as a dedicated road, we can change... Or is it the same... Does it look the same? Is it the same type of road as a master-planned road? Is it the same section? Is it the same curb?
So really help me understand the difference then between a master planned road and a dedicated road. I don't see the difference.
So if the standard is the same. Well, I can't answer that.
Correct. But that's like any other road that went in. And once something happens, then it finishes its way through.
Well, no, you wouldn't put it straight through, but the way it's drawn, it could go through on that top part of the property.
So we could, Randall, if this direction we went on, we could leave it as a master planned road and put a deferral in there that says when we somehow attach it to airport road, that's when he's then required to do his. That's a possible.
then that's when he has to put his piece in.
Thank you. Okay, well, with that, though, if they defer it, there's still a certain amount of property there that they would have to hold out then. They wouldn't be able to do anything with. until whenever Well, they just the road still gets dedicated and still gets yeah, so the that doesn't have to get him You just can't do anything their portions of it. Over the deferral like what was talked about? Work if it gets triggered you have access to Airport Road if BZI sells which I doubt it very much to them and
Okay But if you could still develop your piece, you would not be required to landscape at that point because no road would be in.
I don't think that's too bad of an idea. And I only made that...
And I only made that suggestion going off of our engineer's opinion of he's not as concerned about this. It's when this whole area develops, not having any other access, how do we get people out to Airport Road? So that's why I feel if there is one trigger, I think it should be Airport Road. Councilman Cox.
You're going to Industrial Road anyway, right?
But that's not what they're wanting to do.
But you're going to have to bring water up that, right?
One thing I've realized over time is there's five different people up here with five different ways of doing things and so my opinion is You're just gonna have to propose what you want to do and then bring it to us and let us yes or no it like I don't know how is the discussion helped I
Is there a, do we do a... You don't have to do anything. I'm just saying additional comments from...
I think the uncle here wants to say something. This engineer has more experience than any of them, so... Mike, will you come up here and use the pointer?
Question with what he said. Don't go away, Steve, I have some questions.
So in doing that, are we eliminating or are we keeping?
I don't think you talk at all about eliminating a master plan road. Right, we're just talking about. You're just saying we're going to dedicate this rather than develop it.
Yep, I understand. Yeah, and Paul and Randall, you guys are nodding. That's what transpired. I don't want us to come back later on and say, no, that's not what we said.
I think that's a good enough discussion on this one.
Yeah, that's what I was going to suggest that we go ahead and move on. Thank you, Mike.
Hey, hey, hey, Tom. You're not on the agenda for that.
Tom's wanting us to also undedicate the green road as well. Well, I mean, it makes sense.
We're not undedicating any road. This is still a dedicated road in the discussion we just had. This is still a dedicated road in the discussion. Yeah, and we're leaving it as a master plan. We're not removing it from the master plan.
What are we doing? Doing a deferral. Maybe.
Thank you. Thanks for being one of my best professors ever, too, by the way. He hasn't changed.
And we promise that he will never call you Matt again. I doubt that.
I won't promise that. Yeah, I wouldn't promise that either. Okay, let's move on to item number two. So fire mitigation up in the Cedar Ridge golf course area.
Yes. Could you show us an aerial too, Kent? I mean, kind of just orient me a little bit better at least, please. From the roundabout? I know where the roundabout is. I just kind of.
Do you want to point with the pointer there so that he can understand where you are?
It's right on the corner of Hovey Hills Drive and Knoll Street. And your home, if I remember correctly, is across the... Right up here. Yeah.
I saw they went out and tested him once a year.
But their agenda item tonight is talking about the fire mitigation.
Are we clear on the request? He just wants us to figure out how to limit access for motor vehicles and people being able to get down in there and have fires and that kind of thing. Is that a clear summary?
So I wanted to make sure there wasn't anything else you wanted to talk about, and then we'll open up for council questions. So anything else, Steve, that you wanted to make sure I'm hit?
There were some pictures that had fireplaces or fire.
So just for the sake of time, I think we've seen the pictures. All councils had a chance to already review all this, Steve. And I think you've made it clear on what you're asking, that you'd like us to restrict it and make sure that it's only accessible by foot and by bike.
Yeah, so let's have the discussion now. Councilman Schmidt actually had his finger up first a long time ago, so we'll go there first and then come to you, Councilman.
Well, I think we need to talk to both chiefs, both police chief and our fire chief. They just bought a new brush burner for a track hole. So I think I would like him to evaluate this as far as a fire, if there's places that they need to clean up or whatever, they might be able to. And then we're not going to be able to stop everybody. There's too much open space to go. And then please, Chief Adams, if we can maybe patrol that area a little more and put up a few signs. But you could put all the chains in the world, but you can't block everybody out of there. And so I think we just need to – I'd
So let me share with you what we have done so that you know the steps that we have already tried to do. We tried to block off those trails, put boulders, barring fencing the whole entire area. They just go around them, right? It's enough open space that the motorcycles will go around them. So to me, if you're serious about restricting access, that's why I told Steve you've got to come here. You've got to spend a lot of money to fence the whole thing to keep vehicles out.
And it's BLM up behind that, so you can't keep everybody out of it.
And we already have talked to chief about this in many other areas, right, of try to add when they're down to be able to go patrol it. That still is not going to keep everybody out. No, no. So there's a degree of what do you do other than that.
I would have the fire chief go take a look.
That's a priority area to evaluate and use the new tool. They haven't done it yet, but this is a priority area with the new tool to do it in.
So, Councilman Phillips, did you have anything first?
I just wanted a clarity on where is the property line for the city in BLM because we can't control BLM property. We only work in coordination with them.
Yeah, but do we own all of that behind it where he's talking about all the motorcycles are, right in there?
Yeah, that's 310 acres is ours. Okay, all right. Yeah, it's city land.
Do you have the map? Well, if you wouldn't mind stepping aside, Steve, and let Chief.
Because there's not a lot of fuel there.
I just have a, maybe for Chief Adams or Randall specifically, can this area be classified in terms of law violation when we have postage signage and so forth where we can enforce a little stronger? I mean, not that we have been enforcing, but...
Well, the trespassing would come... For those who are utilizing, like, side-by-sides and power motorcycles?
Pardon? It says no motor vehicles on the signage.
Right. So the blue sign that you took a picture of and sent to us, that one is very specific there in terms of what's allowed and what's not allowed. Correct. Correct.
So would that also include battery-operated motorized bicycles?
So what signs do we have up? Because that was my question. So a person walking does not classify under this the signage as a person trespassing.
But the irony of all this to me is if we have the police try and do some more enforcement up there, they're going to have to do it with a motorized vehicle of some sort.
Can we even block access to the BLM, though? Like, that's my, for a motorized vehicle, if a person wants to take a, I mean, are we allowed to, if we're the access?
Why are horses not allowed up there, according to the signage?
Yeah, that was the standard BLM sign. BLM, yeah. I'm not sure who put that up.
So from a decision-making process discussion, would council be supportive of fencing the entire? No. So more signage potentially to make it more clear?
Yes, and look at some mitigations with our equipment like has been suggested.
Yeah, I mean, it's annoying that we, you know, have our chains cut down, but it's like how many times do you replace the chain?
Yeah, I mean, I don't know when last time the chain was replaced, when it got cut down. I mean, I don't want to just leave it cut down. I say if you're going to leave it cut down, remove the bollards that hold the chain. It's like otherwise it just tells people go cut the chains and we don't care.
If you really want to stop everybody, just repo a few of the vehicles. Word will go out. They won't go up there anymore. I mean, bottom line is, you can give them a ticket, but if you catch them, just take their vehicles. So if you really want to stop it, that's not that easy.
Field functions in the wild, wild west of it.
Yeah. Well, the signage thing is clearly something that may help to mitigate, but I don't know what else to do up there, to be quite frank. But who would be in charge of designing and putting up the signs?
That would be Kenny. Falls under the parks and rec areas.
Turn it into an amenity. Okay. So discussion.
I move that we put it on action for next week.
I have a motion. Second. And a second. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? So what that means, Steve, is it will go to action meeting next week. Not next week. Two weeks. Sorry, two weeks. It will be the fourth.
So next week, Steve, the council will vote on what other things we feel like as a city we want to do to mitigate fire risk up there. And I thank you for- Thank you.
It'll be. We're not having council next week. Yeah, the convention's next week. So thank you, Stephen. Okay, next one's consider amending mining rights lease, Coal Creek Gravel. Paul.
It doesn't change the terms of the dates of the lease? Nope, nothing.
It's up to a dollar plus. Well, that's what you got.
It sounds like royalties right now are anywhere from a dollar to a dollar 25 now I hate to see it raise the price because I buy gravel from them, but that's where royalties are I Think it should be a consideration. I think yeah, I think so too. Yeah 500,000 yards is going to take him three or four or five years.
Well, I think a dollar's okay. A dollar's fair, I believe.
So I make a motion that we allowed our city manager to return to the applicant and discuss an increase in the rates and then return and report.
So we just put it on action. That's what I was going to say. We really just need a motion to put it on action, and next week we can finalize a motion. In two weeks. The terms are two weeks.
Exactly what the mayor said. That's my motion.
So a motion to put this on action. Second. We have a second from Councilman Wilkie. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Thank you. All right. Consider the budget policy.
I have a question. Yes, Carter. Shocker, huh? It's not an ordinance. So what if a future mayor wants to do it a completely different way? What makes sense that they have to do what the policy says? Since when do we make rules that then mean future elected officials have to follow that?
So I guess to my end point, there's no teeth behind the policy. It's a policy. It's not an ordinance. There's T's for staff. Okay. But as far as the elected officials, there's nothing that says they have to do it this way. Okay. In a nice way. I'm not saying I love it, but I'm just like I've seen other mayors who would just say to this policy and do it their own way.
All right. I'm going to say this for the record. I think other mayors would be foolish to challenge this policy as it's being drafted. I have gone through the whole thing, Terry, and I looked it up on the document that you sent all of us. There was one place which was clarified later on, and I'll go ahead and go back through it and contact you directly, where I didn't think that the mayor's authority slash responsibility was highlighted adequately. And then later on, you make it very clear on the mayor's responsibilities and authority portion. So I just want to... Everything else was very cohe
Councilman Phillips. I just wanted to applaud you and staff for putting this together. I guess I would say that for me, at least in my role the last nine years, this is pretty much what we've done. It's just that we didn't have a policy written for it. So all we're doing now is putting it in writing about kind of what the practices already were. So kudos to you, and I would move that we put this on the action agenda for next year.
Yeah. It's minor, but there is a potential, and it's just going to be, yeah.
So it is an action item. Oh, okay. It's a motion. Waiting for a second.
Second. We have a motion and a second. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Thank you.
I think it really helps staff also to follow a discipline.
I think it's Terry coming into a new role and saying, hey, I know you guys have done it this way, but let's put it in writing. Okay, next one is consider an agreement allocating water credit among Cedar 106 parcels.
Mayor, before we start on this, though, to a point that we had talked about with this item before, are you going to participate in this item?
So I was going to also say the same thing. So this, I'm not exactly sure, honestly. I've never even talked to Jesse about this. So I have no idea what his role is, if he's an owner in it or an agent representing it. But Jesse Carter, the agent that represents this, are you an owner in it or just the agent for it? I am an owner. Okay. So Jesse works for Stratum Real Estate Group, which I am an owner of. And so in the discussions that happened I recused myself from those and left so I'm assuming it would probably be appropriate to do the same please so I Guess I would just go away and then pro t
Mr. McCune, thank you very much for that. And Mr. Carter, would you like to present to us?
All right. Counsel, would you like to have any questions?
I mean, it sounds like they took a really complicated situation and they figured it out and they're just needing us to sign off on it.
I make a motion that we move this to consent.
So just to confirm that, it's K&D Family Trust, the full six-scale construction, rock-solid builders... And the laws, those are the four? Does that sound about right, Jesse?
Before we actually take a vote on this, I think Jonathan would like to say something. Jonathan, would you like to step forward and share something with us?
So there's five different owners. Okay. This is a good agreement. All right.
We have a motion and we have a second. All in favor? Aye.
All in favor? AYE. Motion carries. Thank you. Mayor, welcome back.
Back to your regular schedule. Pause momentarily. I took my tie off because it's now wet.
All right. Next one is to consider airport terminal cctv expansion.
I just want to ask, because I know we've talked about the vehicle gate access for quite some time out there. How do you see that ever getting accomplished then? I mean, is it roughly $10,000 a gate? I mean, so if you have three accesses and... I mean, I'm just trying to figure out how we'll eventually get that part of the project done.
I would just urge us to keep working towards that because I think that's an important part of the security of the airport. Agreed. Thank you, Councilman.
Thank you. Where does this gate go or where is your proposed gate?
So this doesn't affect the one we're using?
So does DSI, did they just not do gate cameras or why did they not bid? Do you have any idea? Did you hear from them?
So you're okay with the motion to move this?
And move that we put this on consent for next week. Second. I have a motion. We all second this.
You can pick. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Thank you. Next one is also Tyler with the Airport Planning Consultant.
My question or point just had to do with you, I think, answered it, which is I don't love that we pick the engineer, and then on the project they're allowed to tell us the price because what are we going to do? But FAA checks their price, and you compare it with an outside engine. Is that what you said? There are checks and balances. Yeah, there's checks and balances to the whole process. So once we have the agreement, they can't just be like, well, now we can do whatever we want. It's just the rules regardless.
So I had a motion to put this on consent. Do I have a second? Second. Second. All in favor?
Aye. Any opposed? Thank you, Tyler. Thank you. It's a lot of work. Thank you so much.
Thank you, Tyler. Mayor, I would move that we close this meeting and go into our closed session.
We have a motion. Second. A roll call starting with Councilman Phillips. You've got a hand in the audience. Oh, yes.
Are you going to tell us something else about Carter as a student?
She actually taught a course at SUU about me.
All right. Roll call. Councilman Phillips.
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