County Board - Regular Meeting
Arlington County Board appointed advisory commission members, proclaimed multiple October awareness months, and updated EV charging fees.
About this meeting
- Government Body
- County Board
- Meeting Type
- County Board
- Location
- Arlington County, VA
- Meeting Date
- October 20, 2026
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Thank you, Chair DeFerranti. October annually is Domestic Violence Awareness and Prevention Month. And so we use this as an opportunity every year to reaffirm our commitment to a community where everyone can live safely with dignity, free from violence, free from domestic abuse, anywhere that they are, anyone that they are in our community as well. In 2025, Doorways, who we have represented here today, responded to 836 hotline calls from Arlington community members, provided safe house services to 144 individuals across 75 households, and continues to underscore our need for continual survivor
And I'll just add that our annual Domestic Violence Awareness and Prevention Month event will be next week on October 28th at Lubber Run Community Center at 2 p.m. All are welcome to attend and participate. And it should be a really good opportunity to learn about what we're currently doing and get involved if you're not already. So we look forward to seeing you there. That's 2 p.m., Lubber Run, October 28th.
Thank you, Mr. Chair. Well, it gives me great honor and a privilege to put forward a proclamation on National Disability Employment Awareness. We here in the Arlington County Government and Specialty Board, we recognize October as Disability Employment Awareness Month, celebrating the talents, the skills, and contributions of individuals with disabilities in our workplace and communities. According to the United States Bureau of Labor and Statistics, 22.8% of people with disabilities were employed in 2025, highlighting the importance of expanded employment opportunities and fostering an inclus
Yes, go ahead. Can I just say one comment on that? Sure. So I'm not saying this is all pro forma and what we do. I've often said and talked about persons with disabilities. And I would just remind folks that disabilities, quite frankly, some of them are seen and some of them are not seen. and that we all have a critical part to play in our community to ensure that we lift everyone up, especially those with disabilities. As a veteran with a disability, many folks don't even know that Spain has a disability. But as I said before, we have to do everything in our power to ensure we leave no one be
Great. Well, we also recognize October as National Arts and Humanities Month, where we celebrate the creativity, talent, and contributions of artists and cultural organizations that enrich our community. According to the Americans for the Arts, Arts and Economic Prosperity Six study, the nation's nonprofit arts and culture industry not only fuel our souls and our energy and our well-being, but also generate $150 billion in economic activity, support over 2.6 million jobs, and generate almost $30 billion in tax revenue in the year of the study. So here in Arlington, we take that very seriously
I know just huge thank you and since you mentioned it the Pop-up is open this weekend as well at the old wall green site it's about run and then we have the spark center as well there's lots of great things happening all over Arlington at all times so plug in and take a peek and let your soul be nurtured and meet your neighbors thanks so much thank you Ms Cunningham we'll next turn to world polio day it's mr Karantonis
Thank you, Mr. Chair. So this is a, I want to first of all recognize our Rotarians who are with us here. Maya Akhtarzadegh, Lisa Mendis, Pamela Montgomery, and Stefan Tisma who came today to accompany us in recognizing World Polio Day. So we recognize October 24th, this week as World Polio Day and we acknowledge the Rotary International's leadership in the global fight against polio since 1985. This is important because poliomyelitis, what we call here polio, is a vaccine preventable infectious disease. Emphasis on vaccine preventable since the 1950s. By 1980, we know that the kind of work tha
I think whichever one of us it is, we're gonna turn it straight to Mr. Scott, so we can do it together. Over to you.
I think we'll start with this one first. Sure. See if there's any questions or comments from colleagues.
Great, it looks we got no lights over here. Mr. Karantonis, is that a light?
Yes, it is a light. Go ahead. Short question. First of all, thank you so much. There is something I want to underscore that Every year that you come back with, you know, further development of the way this charter is constructed, etc., I have to admit I learned something and I keep notes because this is applicable to other commissions and committees as well. This is actually good governance that... This collateral benefit is an important one. So thank you for that. The second thing I wanted to ask you is you talk about the process for selecting peer review, a peer review body. Can you elaborat
Thank you, Mr. Scott. I remain, I mean, that was clarifying and good. I remained interested to know, you know, how this election occurs among what kind of people, whether other jurisdictions or, you know, comparable government entities have that as a standard practice and how they fare. This is for a later conversation, not for tonight. Thank you.
Yeah, absolutely. Well, and I will also just highlight that I believe our Office of County Auditor has joined the Local Government Auditors Association or whatever order those words are meant to be in. And so they have additional peer support now through that organization as they go undertake this first peer review and they can rely upon others who have gone through this, which I think has been really I think has been helpful to the office. Yes. So with that, I will move that the County Board adopt the revised charter of the revised charge for the Office of County Auditor.
First, let me say thank you, both Wayne and Shirley, for the level of professionalism that you have displayed since I've arrived on this board, to be quite frank. To the proposed changes, we spoke during our one-on-ones about the obsolete confidentiality provision. One who's watching this may say, what was that actual provision? Because at one point in time, it was put in there for a reason or something. Can we talk a little bit more about, I know the county attorney is here, what was that confidentiality provision that was in the charter. And finally, I think you're about residency and requir
I think at the time we had a vague discussion around whether there was potential personnel as we were evaluating the performance of the county auditor, if maybe the audit committee could go into closed session to talk about private personnel matters. And that was Sort of around the beginning again when we split them the two charters Last year it kind of it was there and we talked about it in a really vague sense And I think over the last year and as we've revisited We determined that that situation is never going to occur and would not necessarily comply in Virginia Code with an opportunity to
Thank you, Madam Vice Chair. And for I think I'm clear again. Thank you for the presentation. And I just want to kind of beat the drum again from your work plan that you have clearly laid out to us and to the community and staying true to that, to all the work you've been doing and your role at Otters, both the U. Wayne and Shirley is greatly appreciated. I think the community. We did a long time to have folks like yourselves on deck and you're doing a phenomenal job both of you So, thank you. We thank you
you for that thank you mr Spain is back to Ms Cunningham is that a vestigial hand mr Carantonis or is that a new hand mine was only to clarify that you know so nobody should misunderstand that the committee has no confidentiality provision the county auditor's office has full access to a lot of things that are confidential, right? But because the committee cannot meet in closed session, it's an advisory body, so it cannot meet in closed session. Therefore, you know, it cannot handle confidential, you know, issues. It needs to handle them in open session. These are just two different things.
I'm ready for a motion unless there are other questions. Okay. I move that the County Board adopt the revised charter of the Audit Committee. Second.
All right, thank you very much. And for the board, this is an informational only item. There is no vote on the work plan. So I'm not seeing lights come up. I will also say on the follow up audits, When Mr. Scott joined us, there were open follow-up items back to 2018. And so we have gone through almost eight years worth of follow-up audits in the last two years. And we are grateful to be back on track. And this work plan, I think, is very good to keep us on track so we don't get quite so behind on following up. It's great to complete the audits. It's even better to make sure that we go back an
I was just going to highlight two things. One is on your slide about stakeholder engagement. I have heard from across the community and the commissions, the chamber, and here within our own workforce Just enormous kudos and appreciation for the approach your office has taken in really building those partnerships and stakeholders and that when you shine the light on something, it's not to do gotcha, it's to help us be better. And I always chuckle when I see any audit report where it's like there's the findings. The findings are the things that do need some work. But what's not mentioned is the
Mr. Spain. First, let me say thank you to the entire team for this long-awaited update. A couple questions I have, and this is to the County Manager, and maybe we can talk offline. I know there was some, when we think about potential snow storage locations, any updates on what we perhaps, potentially through a ICSA,
Thank you for that. Mr. Clerk, this is for the team. A lot of folks may have seen this, but we're going to pull it up real quick. It's a vehicle. They use it up in Toronto for store work, for snow removal. We're just going to give him a second. Oh, are you can we see it?
So... Is there a possibility, Toronto's not better than Arlington, I heard a lot of, especially homeowners, what would it take for us to acquire or get that into our apparatus, that type of technology, just in case?
Yeah, I think from what I have observed that whether you use this type of vehicle or even if you use your regular snow plow with those vehicles still being parked on the street there, what has happened, you know, if we don't have another snowmobile, but the snow that comes, it can actually block. Those vehicles that are currently parked right into spaces where they can't get out so I'm willing I mean I think it's something we can maybe look at down later years ahead but you know explore innovative ways to take on this issue with driveways I'm glad the buddy program is coming around That's all
Thank you. And I'll just highlight on specialized equipment. I don't know for me personally that the cost of investing in Toronto level snow equipment makes sense for Arlington, where we do get these snow events only once every five to 10 years, and if we were to explore that path, I would be extremely interested in how much of our capital fund would have to be invested realistically, because I don't think you can have just one of those and make any amount of difference. It would have to be a full-scale fleet investment, and then whether that capital cost is really justified by the frequency a
So I think we talked a lot in the middle of the snowstorm and in July when we last had our briefing about school access and coordination. And I know from an economic resilience and a mental health resilience and just a, you know, keeping the economy going, it's really important to get our kids back in school, especially our youngest kids back in school. What coordination has been ongoing with APS? How can we work with them both on access but also on bus routes and alternate bus stops so that we can get the kids back in school faster?
And I guess I would first of all celebrate the great work that's been done here so far and highlight that the community's request to all of us was to make sure that there's a unified schools and county plan. So I think we need to make room for that. It's October now. And I think if there's more we can do to help make space for that or reinforce that. I think it's really, really important and the school community and the families really need to know what to expect. I know last year there was a little bit of back and forth. It was a very unusual and difficult storm, but they were going to open a
Great. Well, I think I might just put it in the chair's hands. I think it might be worthwhile while we're still fresh on last year's storm for the boards and the executives to get together to make sure we're going to be saying again in five years that we've gotten even better at coordinating. I think it's just it's that important. for our community. Last thing on schools is you mentioned that CDL licenses are one of the big pain points. And I imagine we have a lot of CDL license holders in our bus fleets, including our school bus fleet. Have we attempted to cross pollinate there where while th
Thank you. Very briefly, a couple of things. I'm intrigued to see the slide about parking garages and the availability of public parking, that's shelter parking in a case of snow. I wonder if we should be really focusing on making very clear that there should be an intentional use of this parking during major snow events. Not only that, I mean there could be also other weather events where it is far better for everybody to show. So this is a question of the owners of these garages to be We saw during the last year's event that some of them were. Actually, they worked very well. They make the g
Thank you, Ms. Moore. Also a very, an interesting occasion where we can actually practically see that if all these cars that are outside go and park in an existing parking garage, how much space is all of a sudden available out there. The second thing is, so the snow removal contracts are different in, you know, private entities have. We have, time and again, we have discovered that there are good quality ones that really You know, they provide that, they start immediately to clean, to shovel snow almost on the event. I mean, they don't wait for the entire event to pass, but for example, after
which means basically they don't remove Sloan. And that's a huge problem because it closes an entire block. So checking and seeing, oh, do you have a provisor? Are you going to be able to respond according to your contract? Because the moment of truth, nobody will be there to respond to us.
Well, I'm almost certain that they will because there are not so many spots and they are really, really very central and where most people want to walk. Plus the vicinity of anything that has to do with a grocery store. Transit and grocery stores are extremely important. And then, of course, the emergency services. Thank you.
Yes. I just wanna circle back to Ms. Board Member Cunningham's comments about the partnership basically and county working with schools. And I think we have to be crystal clear to the community about how this, is gonna work and be synchronized, even though folks have their own lanes, because when we say things like as it becomes available, it can be perceived and looked upon as, okay, there's a priority here, county and schools. We don't wanna pit the two against each other, but we all have to work together as a community. I also want to go back to something I stated earlier about the perhaps
First, I'm not the liaison, I think, to the partnership, but let me just say this. We had a meeting yesterday, right, Anita and I, along with the deputy county manager, Michelle, and they talked me through of course, some of the plan and the way forward. I just want to thank you, both of you, Candace and Pat, for getting us this far. And for the teen ambassadors that are here with us, thank you for all your hard work and diligent efforts. I think what we are going to see as we move into 2027 is a continuum of this just getting better and some more involvement from the partnership, quite frankl
Yeah, just a huge thank you for all the work and for our team ambassadors, especially. I'm interested if you've drawn any conclusions about kind of engagement strategies and what's working and what's not working so that we might incorporate them in other processes.
Great. And then I'll just tag two things because I know you guys are going to keep working on it. But we've heard a lot from families and community members and young people about transportation options and sort of connectivity. I think it's in your wheel there and I'm sure it's coming up in a couple of different places, but just wanted to raise that. And I think particularly as we're all really focused on the micro mobility and e-bike safety and, you know, both the freedoms that it have created but also the potential hazards and how we as a community can best support our young people and then
Thank you. I really appreciate all the work that has gone into this. I think this is a really novel and critical thing that the county has taken on. And all the work on engagement I think is the most important part, both with our youth, thank you all so much for being here today and participating in this process. This is for you and we want you to feel like you are owners, not just you know, participants. This isn't adults doing something to you or for you. It is something that we want to do with you. And so your participation really does matter here. But as we think about especially moving in
That's great to know, and I think we have some folks who will be happy to make connections up here. You know, we, as much as this is owned by not the board, it is a staff initiative, we want to be as supportive as partners as we possibly can be, and so I think we'll all be happy to follow up to get some of that kick-started. Thank you.
We'll be very brief, Mr. Chair. Our ambassador should be coming closer here. We want to listen a lot, and that's a serious thing. Every attempt to rationalize, compartmentalize, organize, hierarchize, prioritize, et cetera, is futile if you don't advise. And this is important, very important. I have to say one thing. Since this started, Things have changed so precipitously around us, and I feel every day there is a wave of change that I can hardly articulate. There is fear. The future is not what we used to know about a year ago. Technology is not anymore a happy place. not even partially a ha
Yeah, 30 seconds, Mr. Chair and Candace, thank you for the opportunity being open to where the shortfalls may be. And I think the county manager, along with the team in Cape, along with, I don't want to invoke her name, Ms. Sarah Tracy, has done some very amazing work over the past 12 months working with the interfaith community and broadening that relationship. So I look forward to working with y'all on our two by twos to see how we can garner some support from there. And I think most of those 90 some odd places of worship here in Arlington will be more than happy to engage and be part of. So
Great, thank you. One of the things I was planning to ask is kind of the timeline of things that occurred from when we last made a public statement and to today, I think in terms of the transparency, like you said, not excuses, but just wanting to be clear about the number of steps that have transpired. So I appreciate you being prepared and ready to go with that already. One of the other things that I think has been important to me is treating Mr. Yvonne's family with respect. And so one thing that I think is important is that the family has the opportunity to see the video prior to it being
Maybe just carrying on in that same vein, I think there's also others in the community, including the Independent Police Auditor and the Commonwealth Attorney's Office, as well as surely within your own department, folks who should probably have a chance to view before the release. Is that all also on schedule for this week so that we will be able to do the public release?
Okay, great. And then can you say anything more about the timing and venue of the release, or when will you be able to say that?
OK, and you'll let us and the public know as soon as you've got it nailed down. OK, great. Yeah, I would just, again, thank you for the work. Gratefully, this is not a situation we've been in a lot in Arlington. And I think it is incredibly important that we are getting the policy set so that were this to happen again, we would move very, very swiftly. I have, while I think the last couple of weeks have been really focused, I do feel like we could have, should have and pushed to move a little bit earlier back in the summer. And I think we've talked a lot about within the board how we can make
Thank you. Miss Cunningham. It's just me Thank You mr. Chair and thank you chief for being with us today. I really appreciate it I see you have a couple of your deputies here as well I want to start with the policy and Can you talk us through a little bit for the public to be made aware, because you referenced still working on the policy. When will the public have an opportunity to view the body-worn camera policy, your estimated time when they'll be able to view it? Because I think public comment, you will be able to receive public comment on that policy, right? Even worse or worse, the body-
Right. I think I'm, you know, on Saturday when we were here, I think I had some pretty pointed words. But it's great to hear that by the end of this week, we are going to hopefully deliver. And I know what you said, we have a lot of folks to speak with between now and Friday. We got to speak with the family to what our vice church has stated. I just want folks to know, I really understand that the importance of ensuring that we respect not only the family, but also respect, you know, the sanctity of life and what that means and how any deaf in our community, how that may be viewed. And not to,
Will it be open to the public? Mm-hmm. Okay. Well, Mr. Chair, I think that's all I have for right now. And we have a lot of work to do between now and Friday, but thank you, Chief, for being with us and giving us update.
Yeah. Thank you so much to everyone. This has been quite the process to put together this year. And we will have robust discussion in November. We'll have, I think, the most robust discussion on the 29th with our General Assembly members here in person. And so I don't want to belabor too many points. I do want to highlight the short session element will impact what is I think reasonably achievable. The General Assembly is always a fast and speedy body when they meet, but the short sessions are somehow faster and speedier than ever. And with the bill limits in particular, it really does limit t
I'll be quick. First, thank you, Brian, and to the entire team, ledge team, and to our liaison, our vice chair, who's been leading this effort. We've heard about the robust engagement that has taken place. over the past several months, and I've been monitoring that closely. And thank you for that. And then our commissions actually getting involved earlier this year was quite a positive. I will just say this. We have a way to go and many more conversations to have. We did, you know, for AOBA and the chamber, your correspondence and what you've stated to us, let's just say it's been received. Bu
Thank you for the presentation and looking forward to the next couple of weeks as we get into it a little bit more deeply. I do want to elevate even before we go there, both for us up here and for our community and for our partners in the state delegation. We heard a lot this year, more than usual, that folks, maybe because there were 2,500 bills or whatever it was, that folks in our community were not able to keep tabs of what was going on in Richmond. And I know we can be a conduit for that, but we can't be the whole mouthpiece there. But I really think we need to examine how did that go thi
And I would just also add that oftentimes when our community is surprised, we on the legislative team are surprised as well. There is no one who has full and complete information. And there are pretty significant things that were changed in the budget, were changed in veto session or even before that, that no one had talked about out loud until they were passed into the legislation. So I think as much as our community is stressed out by that, we have active staff that are paid to be on the ground, to be talking to people, to be paying attention. And we still get surprised. And so I think havin
Great. Thank you. And then just in terms of the key issues, I'll echo what some of my colleagues have said about the importance of WMATA. Absolutely. That is an economic engine, not just for us in Northern Virginia, but very much for the Commonwealth. And we need to have that be a shared expense. For the condo initiative, particularly around the liability issue that has kept us from having new condos be built, not just maintaining old ones, that is an important rung on the ladder to homeownership and part of the overall mix. The other three I'll just raise up, the micromobility efforts around
Very briefly, Mr. Chair. First of all, yeah, unfunded mandates is, I believe, the evergreen starter in all our sessions with our delegation here because they are a part of a lot of hunger every single time we have to discuss them. I want to... I literally congratulate the entire legislative team for the preparation for going through almost 900, 800 and a few. The input process at the beginning was mentioned by many people who I met as a very positive part of this year. So bravo and thank you for that. We will have more opportunity to talk more in detail with our delegation, I believe at the en
Thank you, Mr. Chair. So a few questions I have on the composition of the base rate, right? The one thing that strikes me significantly is the fact that we say it's 25% is the mixed or the merged administrative costs, right? I mean, It strikes me as a lot. How is this justified?
But am I correct that actually what is here in the denominator is the number of charging points and the number of charging hours. So you take the cost that you have and you divide it by that. So that means that the more the system is used and the more we expand the network, this cost will not increase you know, with this. So over time, this percentage will tend to decrease.
But this is capital replacement then. I mean, maintenance and capital replacement. Yes, sir.
together with the commission that we pay for the service of, you know, the payment service, et cetera, to the two vendors that we have. This makes 35%. This is a lot. It's a third of the total. And one thing that I feel, and I don't know, and it's not for now to discuss, is we have two vendors here. They are obviously different. different equipment, even their subscriptions are different, significantly different, by the way. So I don't know if it's advisable to continue to, because I know that we inherited that from the beginning of the program, but over time, I believe that we will be converg
So they are comparable in terms of the maintenance they have, et cetera. The maintenance routine for a charge point is the same like for a blink?
Right. Explain to me a little bit, if you can, how we apply to the base rate the capital recovery. So I understand that we are dividing that and we are projecting over, what, 10 years per charging point. The problem is, though, that I have a situation right now where I have locations like, for example, Madison, right, that have a very low use and locations that have a very high use. So somehow the people... in Fairlington are basically paying for the availability of the service in Madison. In Madison, the service is not very much used, probably because the community center is not completely, I
So what I want to say is that, you see, in places where we could be reasonably expecting a trend that's more like Fairlington or more balancing. In Arlington Mill, for example, we used to have three chargers. Now we have two chargers. But they're well used. I mean, they're like a third of the time. We haven't yet expanded in the more multifamily, heavier places because there was no availability, technical availability. I understand that. What I'm saying is that if we approve this, we should be also committing to move towards where the biggest use is and the biggest need. I mean, we started thi
Mr. Karantounis, I think that that, while it's a useful question, but I think we will address that over time with where we put extra chargers, right? So we're sort of doing a process of put them everywhere a little bit, see what's happening. But if they're not being used, then we'll start to reallocate them. And if there is high demands in place, we'll continue So I think, for me, this is really, really great work, and simpler is better. You don't need to be so fine-tuned. And I know this was something that I asked for during budget season, so I really do appreciate it. I think it's one of...
I just had a quick question. Go for it, if that's okay. I will be very short after this. Sure. Separate from our public EV charging, we are doing a lot, the air team is doing a lot in terms of multi-unit buildings, especially in new site plans. And I wonder if you can just share, unrelated to our public EV charging, what we are working towards when it comes to our multi-unit buildings. Because I think there's a lot there that obviously is not necessarily related to this presentation.
Great. I believe the C-PACE financing tool that we recently revised as well can be used for existing buildings to access capital to retrofit for things like EV chargers, is that right?
I know that that's one of the greatest challenges is the retrofitting of existing buildings does cost a lot. Which is why we're now setting minimum standards for EV chargers and new construction buildings. Absolutely. But thank you. I just wanted to make sure we got all of that on the record too. All right, I'm all good.
Great, I move that the County Board adopt an ordinance, attachment A of the staff report, effective November 1st, 2026, to amend and reenact a non-codified ordinance titled, an ordinance to amend and reenact a non-codified ordinance enacted at the July 16th, 2022 County Board meeting, establishing an interim rate, effective January 1, 2025, for County-owned electric vehicle charging stations. to one, repeal the interim rate, two, enact a new base fee for use of county stations, three, establish a dwell time fee for county stations, and four, authorize and direct the county manager or the count
Mr. Chair, I have an alternative motion that probably would have saved the long list of... Too late now, but go for it.
This is an easy one because it says, I move that the county board adopt the ordinance attached to the staff report, so exactly what Ms. Cunningham has read, with the following revisions which are intended to correct typographical errors. In Roman numeral two, correcting further to further, striking the word the, following be it further ordained that, and confirming the deletion of following non-quotified, so that the clause reads, be it further ordained that this ordinance is hereby enacted. That's the motion. So that's the amendment.
The amendment here, I mean, as we were reading through, we found some typos and we wanted to correct them. Sure. And this is essentially exactly the same motion that Ms. Cunningham has read because it states clearly to adopt the ordinance attached to the staff report with the revisions, the typographic revisions, that's all. And we could have started with a short form of the motion in the first place.
If the motion maker is willing to accept those, then we don't have to vote on the amendment.
I have a piece that I would like to vote on, which is direction to the manager is not anymore a motion on the ordinance. So that'll be on the other side. That would be after. Got it.
I'll just make a concluding statement. Go ahead. You know, I think part of the reason that we directed staff to do this during the capital improvement plan is to make sure that we can continue to sustainably invest in expanding our electric charger infrastructure. We want to make sure that there are as many EV chargers accessible in as many places in the county, but that does cost us significant amounts of money to do so, and by creating a fiscally sustainable EV charging program that does account for the capital costs as well. It will enable us in the long term to make more of those investmen
And to clarify, this is technical direction because there are certain things that are not very clear how they have to be handled. And, you know, this is a technical system. The software needs to fall in place and align, et cetera, et cetera. So number one. I further move that the county board directs the county manager to review as soon as practical the county's current electric vehicle charging contractor agreements and negotiate revisions as permitted by law to avoid any contractor specific fees charged beyond the fees established in the ordinance. What is this about? This is about charge po
Just a question for staff. I think the notion of this is all good. It sounds like maybe it's not a lot of work right now, but to kind of items to keep in mind. But to the point of the fees being different for the two different vendors, I think it's great to have two different vendors so that we can compare, as you said, and to hedge our bets a little bit. Is there a way that without going in and changing contracts that are probably not up for renewal right this millisecond, Is there a way we could adjust for that in the fee structure, or is that something you want to ask us to consider next ti
Right, so, and this is also one of the reasons why I think that now that the system and the program matures, and we understand the quirks and the issues, there are also issues with parking fees, et cetera, it's a good thing to look for, you know, the feedback from our commissions as well, because this is not, this hasn't happened as I understand.
Yeah, I think just, you know, given this is a pretty unusual thing for us to do, I just will share. I think it has come to our attention that not all issues were worked out with all of the signatories on the MOU. And so we want to err on the side of caution and respect towards everyone that needs to be signing this MOU to make sure that they have the time they need to work on those issues and come back to us, not because we are reconsidering our commitment to a behavioral health docket at the circuit court level. I think we're all committed to that and all supportive of that, but we also want
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