City Council - Regular Meeting

If I turn on my microphone, let's try that again. Good evening. Welcome to the October 13th, 2026 Governing Body Meeting of the City of Topeka, Kansas. We'll now call this meeting to order. I was going slow for you. I was going slow for you. Councilmember Ortiz this evening has the invocation. So please turn your attention to her and rise if you are able.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'm out of breath here. I thought it was fitting that we would have our fire chaplain come and give the invocation tonight. This is Holly. Reverend Holly Tapley is the Disaster Response Coordinator for the Great Plains United Methodist Conference covering Kansas and Nebraska. A native of Alabama, she served churches in the South for 30 years before joining the Great Plains Conference. Reverend Tapley represents faith-based organizations on the State of Kansas Homeland Security Supervisory Committee. She became a chaplain for the Fire Department. four years ago. We appreci

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. All right. With that, we will turn to the roll call.

Council Member Hillard, we see you. Can we hear you?

Well, you are cutting in and out. I'm here.

All right. With that, we have a handful of presentations this evening. We will start with the first one, obviously. City Clerk.

Yeah, so we're going to work on our end of turning it up a little bit, but we can hear you.

Questions, comments from the governing body? I can't see council members Valdivia, Alcala, and Hiller. I don't know if they have their pads tonight or not. Can you either help me see them, or is there a way to let me see them on the screen? Yep, I think that's it. Yep, there they are. All right. I can see you now. So if you have questions, just raise your hand or speak up if you don't have your pad. All right. All right, and I guess if you, so Christy, is your plan to reach out to every member of the governing body for a one-on-one?

Perfect, so just be aware that's coming and don't ignore it, please. Any other questions or comments? All right. Well, I don't see any, so thank you. We look forward to the process.

Perfect. Thank you, Christine. Thank you to your team. All right. With that, we'll move on to our second presentation of the evening. City Clerk.

The young man who ushered me in here. There's a button on the side of the remote. Is it turned on?

All right, I'm going to open up to the city council here in just a minute. I'm going to make a comment before. And this won't be anything new to Curtis. Because when I heard about this, I called him right away. And partly why he's here. But you made the comment that there's a lot of questions you're not going to be able to answer. But the truth is, they can answer a lot of these questions. And Curtis, I like you. You know that. I trust you. We've worked together on many things through the years. You've never led me astray. So this isn't about you. And I want to make that very clear. I've said

Councilmember Kell. I agree with the mayor on working with you, Curtis. You've done a great job here in the city for years in different capacities. But I agree with the mayor. We need people here. We need them on the record. And that's the problem is I've even emailed some of these companies, put the media on there, said reply all so it's on the record. And I get no replies. I don't even get a reply just to me without the media involved and all. So that's what we up here want. That's what the citizens want. We want people on the record to tell us what's going on 100% so we can hold them accoun

And before you even mentioned the taxing, I had it written down. It was one of those things of I knew you weren't taxing property. Your property tax didn't happen out there. And my theory is you talk about pilots. Well, the state house has talked about getting rid of fantasies. What if they get rid of pilots? Now we have someone sitting out there. with nothing. I'd want something more in a contract that sits there and says this is what you're going to pay every year with a bump of 3%, 4%, whatever. Something more like that before I even see anything. I'd be against something like that with a p

Okay, thank you. First, I want to say I cannot even say how much I agree with Mayor Duncan on everything that he said. This is not meant to be rude to any entity, individual that has come to the forefront instead of these data centers, but what they are expecting because of how they are used to being treated, which is to me kid gloves, cart watch, But all of that, they want water carriers. That's what they want. And that's exactly what's happening here. That's what's happening with Compass Data. I'm sure that's happening with the other ones that are happening across the state. They want water

Well, then they might want to know based on how they classify themselves about what the city of Topeka Planning Commission is stating that determines hyperscale or not. Because language is power. Language deflects. can muddy the waters incredibly or make things crystal clear. So I don't think you would do that, Curtis, but do I think most data centers would? Yeah, I think that they would muddy as much as they could. The other question that is on here is, You acknowledge that you don't know who the ultimate tenant will be, big tech firms like Meta, Google, et cetera. If we don't know who is mov

I was a voting member one year out of almost serving seven years on Jato. Everything, all of the projects, you're not told. You're just for faith and then you vote yes or no on giving money, taxpayer money. But something about this ultimately somewhere down the road is going to have to change because as Topekans, And Shawnee County and start to understand more and more about the way government works, their local government, their county government. Their their commerce, whatever the case may be, they're really pissed off and they want to start knowing more and because it's their tax dollars, t

Okay, and then one more thing. I just want to let you know, the proximity... for the two Pauline schools is about a mile and a half for one and about two miles for the other. And I think that you already understand how much deep, deep concern there is for school children in this whole data center conundrum that we're in. So I just wanted to make you aware of that. And I thank you, Curtis, for taking the time to come up. And thank you, Mayor.

Thank you. Thank you. All right. Council Member McGee.

Thank you, Mayor. I'll start out with a comment, and then I've got a couple of quick questions. But last week, I attended the Ligman Municipalities Conference. They had a session on hyperscale data centers. And one of the first things they said was, if you're talking to someone representing a data center or a developer, and they can't tell you who their client is, that's the first red flag. You need to know who you're talking to. It's difficult to have a conversation if you don't know who the other person is. So that's a first red flag. So I'm just throwing that out there. The other thing is,

Again, I go back, and like I said, I'm giving you a chance to reinforce your earlier comment that this will not impact the mission of Forbes or... are any opportunities for commercial air service?

Thank you. Thank you, Curtis, for coming in and talking in this presentation. I am just kind of reiterating everything that Councilwoman Valdivia-Alga mentioned and also Council Member Kell. The idea that these data centers can come into our community and talk about wanting to be a member of the community and a good partner in the community and then not show up is ludicrous. This is our community, not theirs. And if they want to be a part of it, and if they want to do all of this that they're talking about, then they can come and talk to us. They can come and talk to members of our community.

Yeah, and I appreciate that you took the time to come and talk with us about this sooner rather than later. I think that makes a difference. Also, as far as water usage goes, and I know that it seems to be a talking point of the data centers that they use less than a golf course and maybe even less than agriculture. The comparison is apples and oranges. I mean, agriculture serves a very different purpose. than a data center. So I don't know. I just wanted to throw that out there. They're very different things with very different impacts.

Right, and it's not the same, you know, the impact on the water system. is not the same. So that's a whole nother discussion. But thank you. Thank you.

Thank you, Curtis, for being here tonight and sharing with us. For the record, I would just like everyone to know that Curtis is a constituent in my district, and he did send me a communication back months ago about the endeavor that we are talking about tonight. And I want to also be on the record as saying I'm not a supporter of data centers and I've not talked to three people in our district that is. So I know there's a lot of talk about how far this project is out, but to me that kind of talk leads to we're just waiting for this moratorium to be over and hope that it doesn't get extended.

That's what I'm seeing behind you. And I know that you're just a messenger. And like our mayor said, I don't expect that you would lead us astray. But the concerns for me definitely are the community that lives out there and certainly the kids, the school kids out there. Those parents have been coming to us in groves about how the noise level or environmental factors involving those data centers could affect their kids or even the soil around them. I know that those are things that you can't talk about tonight, but like you reach out to me, why doesn't the county officials reach out to our cit

All right. I see no other questions or comments from the governing body at this time. I want to make sure I'm not missing anybody before I let Curtis go. Thank you, sir. I know this will be the first of what I'm guessing will be many conversations.

All right, with that, we move on to our third presentation of the evening. City Clerk.

All right. Comments or questions from the governing body? Councilmember Valdivia-Alcala.

Thank you, Mayor. I understand this has probably been on the agenda and on the radar for some time. I'm just going to say I believe it's poor form to be having this annexation dialogue, even though it's just dialogue, while we have a moratorium. And I'm just going to say if we're going to be bumping things this much ahead by talking about it, that I think that it is shameful almost that, you know, I know that there's a lot of thinking about annexing island annexation. But yet, what are we saying about Montero, where their water rates are so high, where they are basically abandoned in many ways

Thank you. Any other comments or questions from the governing body?

I do appreciate it. I think it's important for everyone to understand the distinctions between annexations. I will tell everyone I fundamentally have concerns with any type of island annexation. I think that annexation as a whole should always be taken seriously because it impacts people who live in the county versus who have chosen not to live in the city, which is why we actually have a pretty good track record as a city. In fact, I looked recently at our last 10 years of annexation, and it's very minimal, and it's always been only when requested. We have not done any hostile annexation. So

All right. We have a motion to approve from Councilmember Kell. And it's been seconded by, hey, there we go, Councilmember McGee. If the clerk would take the vote, please. Maybe. I'm sorry. There we go.

All right. With that, we will move on to our non-action items. Non-action item A, city clerk.

All right. Before I open it up to the governing body, we have several individuals signed up for public comment on this issue this evening. So we'll start with them. First up, Mr. Joseph Ledbetter. I will say we have a number of people signed up this evening, so we're going to stick to our four-minute rule, no extensions this evening.

Thank you, sir. Next up, we have Ms. Danielle Twimlow.

Thank you. All right. That was all on this item. Questions, comments from the governing body at this time?

Thank you. Just coming on the back of what the public comment, Ms. Swindle just said, she said it all much better than I could. I think that when the rental registry comes before the governing body, we need to take a full and thorough look at it. We need to understand the importance of licensure where we can compare and contrast how it can be beneficial for retaining information but giving us more leverage. So in anticipation of this, I'm really asking my colleagues that I don't know if you've been hearing on social media or with the emails that we get about how this is impacting the single fa

Other comments or questions from the city manager? It doesn't appear that way. I can't see Councilmember Hiller. She's gone. So I'm going to assume she doesn't have anything. Maybe that's not fair. Be on the lookout for his email, asking for your feedback before he brings this back to us so he can get those questions and comments or additions, subtractions, whatever that looks like from you, so he can factor that in before he brings this back to us. Thank you, sir.

All right. With that, we will move on to non-action item B, city clerk.

We had a specific question on that slide.

On this one? Yeah. So on this right here, your annual spend, what is your household size? That makes a difference on all this here. I know you're using Euro labor statistics. which sometimes more of an estimate than an actual, you know, what the data says. And then household size, right now our household size is 2.21 people per house in Topeka. So if you're equating for four people, you're actually doubling up what kind of the mentality there.

All right. We have several individuals signed up to speak on this, so we will do public comment on this item first, and then I'll open it up to the council. First up, Mr. Joseph Ledbetter.

Next up, I believe we have Martha Boatwright who is on Zoom. All right. Thank you for having me on Zoom today.

Thank you, Martha. Next up, Danielle Twemlow.

Thank you. All right, we'll turn this conversation over to the governing body. I'm going to make a couple quick comments before we start that. As I've looked at this, and I know that one council member has an option four, so that's fair, and we'll have that conversation. But I view us as having sort of three primary options, and then whatever else we come up with will be four, five, and six, I guess. But as I expressed last week, I think I'm not entirely ready to think we're prepared over the next week to have what the full question would look like, whether it's a quarter cent, half cent, spec

To kind of go off what you were saying there, the only way I'll support any of this is if we push it to August because I think we need the time frame to work through this, to get the community involved in it. and make sure we're making the correct decision and not rushing through this. On slide six, you have the annual spend and the 9.35 and the 9.9. I'd like to see that also broken down off of just regular sales that people purchase. But also food, because if you go to the food aspect of things, you drop the 6% from the state off that. So I want to make sure we have our projections right on t

Okay. Then the one thing everyone keeps on saying is cut, cut, cut. I think we need to have a chart of what we've cut over the last few years to show people in what departments, what percentage of the department it's been, and what savings there have been by cutting those positions. And to show that we have, over the last three years, cut an eighth of our workforce and saved this much money by doing that. and cut half of this department, cut this department in half so this way people understand that we have done these cuts and what it has affected. Thank you.

Thank you, Mayor. Let me ask a question if someone could clarify or city manager or mayor. If the affordable housing and the homelessness would go on the March mail-in ballot, when would that question absolutely have to be crafted and done and approved by? I think I missed it.

Okay, so this is why I am not for that. I state, and believe me, I seriously believe that I am truly invested in this, especially the Built for Zero. And I stated last week If we are going to be asking people to pay for this, and this is specifically, I'm talking specifically about the Built for Zero, we need to show them more. We need to show them what this methodology and what this program aspires to by successes that have occurred in other cities. We need to give them a sense of what we're looking at in the way of housing. We need to give them a better understanding about what wraparound se

Okay, so I'm going to do pushback on that because I think that there is enough momentum out there for people to know that it's not just going to disappear. So that's a little bit disingenuous, I mean, when I'm thinking about that. But the other part of that is that how many years before you got here, where there were all kinds of entities, including the city, working, duplication of services all over the place. And our homelessness issues were just increasing. And we were spending and spending and spinning our wheels. And we were not partnering in the way that this methodology suggests. I know

10 years? OK. I mean, I'm going to do some additional research on Built for Zero. And it has nothing to do because I brought it forth, just because there was research that was done by numerous people about programs across the country. And that was the standout one. So I do have concerns with language this loose. And the other thing is, is that with the half cent, I do not believe, I believe that there should be special wording in this, that this should not be used for any type of pay increases across the board. I just, I don't think it should for police and fire. I think my deep concern is tha

Thank you. I'm not going to reiterate what people have said, but I think we need to still work on the language, and I think we need to do it in August. We got one shot at this, and talking to some of my constituents, I tell you what, there's some that say they don't want to do anything for the homeless. They don't want tiny homes. They can't build a tiny home. So why should they provide one? But when I look at the acquisition of vehicles and equipment and other purposes related to providing public safety services for the city, what does that mean? I mean, that's what I'm saying. It has to be i

Yes, thank you. I just wanted to kind of talk or speak to what Councilwoman Valdivia Ockel was saying. I think, I don't know that necessarily we have to name a program specifically as long as we're doing something that is evidence based in best practices and we have a plan, a strategic plan in place We've identified outcomes and metrics. I think that's, for me, that's the important piece in this. Because it could be called something different later on, but you might still be using the same methodology. I initially wasn't supportive of moving to August, but if that's what we need to do in order

Okay. I appreciate all the work that's been done and the comments. I'll kind of go through. in some sort of order. I sent something out today with some thoughts. I am not absolutely wedded to them, but I wanted to share them. Before I get to those, though, on the affordable housing and homeless, I feel like the community is really eager to participate in that and get some things moving. Promoting our own affordable housing and homeless leadership, if we need a hood ornament, if you will, I thought that the language leaned a little too more toward construction for my taste for homeless. But on

You're back. Council Member Hiller, you did cut out for a moment. I think you're back.

Okay. I think with the .4, if you look at the numbers that Dalton ran, it still comes out okay with the budget balances. I had been concerned that if we were going to do March or August, that we needed to do some cuts right away, before the first of the year even. That's why the extra $2 million is in there. If people don't want to do it, I think we can get by. The issue is, what is it that people are looking for for us to demonstrate that we really got our arms around?

Is there a way for you to call in via zoom? Is that an option?

Well, or if I could call somebody's cell phone, you can put me up on the mic.

I'm happy to do that. Why don't you do that? We'll keep cutting out. So in the meantime, while you do that, I'm going to go to Councilmember valdiviacula for a moment.

Thank you. What Councilwoman Bradbury said I'm intrigued by, and I, as far as if the verbiage could be put in methodology driven, you know, benchmarks, something that tightens it up. So if we don't want to do the built for zero, if we want to even take, you know, the strongest components of built for zero without saying built for zero, And understanding that that is the core that is able to bring things together to get the hardest to house off of the streets, right, then tighten up that language. So I agree with Councilwoman Bradbury. So what do you think about that, city manager?

Okay. So I'm going to push back on this again. Because I think you need to do some looking at what was happening before you got here. It was a mess. Well, I mean, and so by tightening up the language, not putting built for zero, tightening it up with a few extra words that make it firmer so it's just not some unwieldy thing that if administration changes or if directors change or if the winds change or whatever the case may be that there is still some kind of security. More surety and security with that. So I don't know why you're doubling down on this so much. It really is rather you know, di

I think there's a way to look at it, and I'll do this, to say, I'm just thinking here, but so it'll hold me to exactly the language, but I think there's a way to cover both concerns. The concern that eight years, it passes, and then eight years in, the program magically changes to zero down or something ridiculous, and somebody who didn't like the tax wants to then legally challenge us to say, you can't do it, it's not called built for zero, versus adding language that specifically states it's going to whatever our targeted homelessness program whatever that is. And I'll look at some of that l

So Matt, can I just, can I just say something about when, don't put built for zero. What Councilwoman Bradbury was saying made sense. Right. And because when I first started on council, there was not a lot that was consistently happening that was helping the homeless population. So we don't want to go backwards. It makes sense to have a methodology, a proven methodology. It doesn't have to be I mean, maybe proven methodology. I'm not being a hard ass on this, but I think that it needs a little bit more tightening. So I could be wrong, but I think Councilwoman Bradbury agrees.

Yep. We'll play with some language here. All right. We're going to try this now. I'm going to hit my speaker. Councilwoman, you're going to have to mute your Zoom, though. Otherwise, there's going to be feedback.

All right. Okay. I have no idea where my comments left off.

Is your... I mean, you have to zoom the sound on your computer. You need to mute the sound on your computer itself.

Maybe I need to give up. I'm not good at this.

Let's turn your volume all the way down on your computer. Text 4101 here.

I think we're good. All right. You ready, Karen? I didn't hear what he just said. Good. I mean, not good because he's good what he said, but that means you got your volume off, so now there's no feedback.

What he said was valuable. I just want to clarify. Okay.

Well, in my notes today, I learned in talking with Dalton that the $2 million a year cuts, which I know I had recommended before, I thought that when the $2 million cuts came out the first time, that they strung across the board. Budget worksheets because that two million that the preset budget would be two million dollars lower what he told me was that the way that is set up is that we need to cut two million dollars every year I just wanted people to realize that when we're looking at what we finally want to do And I think, did people hear my conversation about pulling the fire stations out

Okay. I think people have the particulars that I sent out. Otherwise, I'd like to support comments that were made, particularly by Councilwoman Bradbury, I think. I didn't get a chance to say anything during the strategic plan, but I am very much hoping that our strategic plan isn't just a list of goals now, but is... the kind of strategic plan that we did in 2021, which identified our primary purposes as a city government, and then put things underneath that with outcomes afterward. I think that will help us focus on the priorities of the projects that city manager is suggesting we do. We do

Thank you, Mayor. I'm good with the affordable housing and homeless programs. with the language suggestions that Councilmember Bradbury offered. I am concerned with language on this other part about personnel and acquisition of vehicles. And also last time, last week, we talked a lot about getting community input. And I'm not hearing that part this evening. So that's a concern for me. I think we need input. I would be comfortable with moving forward with the affordable housing and homeless programs because I think we've discussed a way to tweak that language and see a path forward for that. Bu

I think for what we get return on our investment after what we have to pay for the election that it's not very feasible to pay out that just to try and gain so much over that, you know, what, March, what, six-month period, that we'd be losing money possibly in that scenario. So to me, it's best we just wait for all these, allow the community to have all their input into this, you know, know that we have a set date that we're working towards rather than trying to rush it through like we have been. And just do it all on the general election, or primary election, excuse me, in August. Because if

I'll just review those numbers real quick. An election mail ballot is about $118,000. It would kick in, if it was approved in March, it would kick in July 1. Half the year collection would be a little over $2 million. Council Member Bradbury. Is that your question? Okay. Any other questions or comments on this?

I did. I just texted you. I just wanted to say I agree with Councilman Kell.

Well, I'll answer a little bit of that. I mean, that money would accumulate, and if 10 years go by and the citizens don't think that we've spent it at all, then they probably won't renew that 10-year tax. I'll say on the affordable house fund front, and you're right, who knows what that accumulation would look like. I will say, though, that they knew going into those initial million-dollar expenditures that that's all they had. that to date we haven't put any additional funds. And I guarantee had they been able to open that up to more companies, they would have been able to use more than that

I don't have a whole bunch to say about questioning, but... We knew that there was going to be language issues when we first started talking about this process and it seems to me like tonight we've just been buried in what about the language we got until August March whatever to work through whatever this process is going to be I would just like to say thank you city manager for the work that you put in this is what we ask you to do And to me, it's getting there. I don't know if March is going to work. We all know that the citizens of this community is not going to be happy when we put this pr

You know, as I'm sitting here listening and thinking about a homeless situation, I wonder if we could put some, or if we would be, you guys would be open to, there was a couple here that was homeless. They just wanted some money to go back home. And I wonder if we could put that in a wording, some type of wording to do that. They were at Shunga, on Shunga Creek. at least for two or three weeks. And then I think there was some members of the city that got together and got them a ticket to go back home.

You know, Braxton, I kind of like that. I'd like to see us implement that, and I know my attorney's watching, so I'd like him to give me a call tomorrow so he could look at this as well. He's getting late. He might be, but I'll send this to him anyway.

Will you just cut me off? I thought you were done.

You were reaching for your mic. I apologize. Council Member Ortiz.

So I'd like us to put something like that in there. Yes, ma'am. Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

Well, thank you, Mr. Mayor. I want to go to page 14. And I'd like to ask my colleagues to take the existing word out and to consider that and take it out. Because I pay for a sales tax, a street sales tax, and I don't get the same benefits as everybody else.

I agree with you, Council Member. Thank you. But I guarantee you we are not ready to put that question on the ballot in March, so we will have a lot of time to discuss that question.

Well, I'm just putting it on the record right now, so Brenda can mark that in there because I'm tired. I would like a curb, a gutter, and not a ditch. Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

in my neighborhood and what I've been paying for for the last 20-some years. I don't need that, city manager, with all due respect. And District 3, District 2, a whole bunch of us have paid for it, and we don't get it. Okay. But I bet if Spencer went down his street, he'd get something.

My neighbors know my street's the last one. He's the mayor. That's how that works. All right. So here's what I'd like to do. I'm going to take all the feedback on the housing question, see if we can rewrite something that gets us closer. And next week, if we think that we're ready to move anything like housing and auditor to March, we can have that conversation definitively. And if we're not? That's fine too. If anyone else is interested in anything else moving next week to a March ballot, a broader question, you're going to do that work yourself. Because as I said, I don't think we're ready f

Appreciate it. Thank you. With that, it's a little get later. We have public comment left. We are going to take a 10-minute break, and then we'll come back for public comments. So please be back here at about 2 after 9.

It is now moving on to agenda item public comment. Again, we have a number of people signed up this evening, so we will stick to our four-minute time limit. First up, Mr. Joseph Ledbetter.

Thank you. Thank you, ma'am. Next up, I have Scott Henson. Scott Henson. Is there Scott Henson online? Just to make sure, because I know some people audibled. Okay. Next up, then, I have Sandra Lassiter.

Thank you. Next up, Martha Boatwright, who's on Zoom.

Thank you. Next up, I have Diane Denham.

Thank you. Next up, I have Michael Bradley.

Thank you, sir. Next up, Colleen Campbell, who I believe is on Zoom.

Thank you, Colleen. Next up, we have Tim Zyrowski. Tim Zyrowski. All right. Next up, Henry McClure.

Thank you, sir. Next up, I have Megan Ryan. I don't see her here. Is she online, Kim, Megan? Doesn't look like it. All right. Next up, Rachel Chu. Rachel Chu. Rick Tyler.

Jolene Grable. I don't think I see Jolene here. Jolene.

Thank you, sir. Next up, I think on Zoom, Sharon Gillette. I think I saw them on Zoom. I thought. Okay, they might be together, I'm not sure, but so we'll jump to Amy, and then I don't know if Sharon will also be there. So Amy Gillette?

Thank you, Amy. Next up, I have Gary Morgan.

Thank you, sir. That's the last individual I have signed for public comment. I'm going to make a motion to extend our meeting past 10 o'clock. Do I have a second? Second from the Deputy Mayor. All those in favor say aye. Aye. All those opposed say no. Council Member Ortiz says no. With that, we will move on to announcements. City Clerk. Okay. Danielle Twemlow. Not on my list.

Thank you. We'll now move on to announcements. City Clerk.

Real quick, as promised, I bought some smoke alarm applications. Take what you want. But please take some and hand them out. Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

Just wanted to mention this last area mentioned about a crosswalk at 37th and Gage. That was put in about three, four months ago. That was something when they closed off the west side of Gage north of 37th. I pushed forward and The street department put that in pretty quickly. So there is a crosswalk there to use. I would like to see us come up with something either off industry standards or government standards on what a data center, a hyperscale data center is. So we're making sure we're staying, you know, we're all kind of on the same page because they're based off of server count, floor sp

Council Member Hiller. Council Member Valdivia-Alcala. Thank you. Same here. I believe we still have need for executive sessions. Is that correct? Two? One has to be tonight. 45-minute one. Okay. All right. Well, then there's a need for two executive sessions. If the City Attorney would state the motion for the first session.

All right, I will move to approve. Do I have a second? Second from Councilmember Kell. All those in favor say aye. Aye. All those opposed say no. No. Councilmember Ortiz and Miller, no. There might have been another one. All right, with that, we're going to move immediately into executive session. All right, we've come out of executive session. No action has been taken. However, we have a need for a second executive session. City attorney.

I move to go into executive session. Do I have a second? Second. Second from the Deputy Mayor. All those in favor say aye. Aye. All those opposed say no. No. Council Members Miller and Ortiz are no's. We will move immediately into executive session. We have come out of executive session. There is no action to be taken by this governing body. This meeting is adjourned at 10.33 p.m.