Town Board - Regular Meeting

Yep. We're good? So we've come out of executive sessions? Executive regular session. Is there some motions that maybe we can make?

Okay, I'd like to make a motion that all members of committees... Advisor? All members of committees for... To restrict all members of committees from contacting town attorneys and or any agency as an officer of the town without going through the town board or your liaison beforehand. To receive authorization. To receive authorization. Do you want to make it stronger as an attorney?

I'd like to include just a general admonishment. Nobody, no advisory board committee person should identify themselves as a representative of the town other than as a volunteer to anyone, a business, not just agencies, things like that.

Yeah, I accept the friendly amendment. Do you amend that? Yeah, I'll second the amendment. Any discussion? Nope. All in favor?

Yep. Second. I would just say to the extent there's a written agreement, make sure it's subject to attorney approval.

Okay. Motion and second. Any discussion? Good work.

All in favor? Aye. Before we do budget, there was a couple things I had on the agenda. If you don't mind me freelancing here for one second. Did you guys decide on setting the rate while it was gone for the battery storage units? No. I saw your email too. Yeah. Ron sent us an email 500,000 is that an agree? Is that something you guys want to grant? Because we got we got 2 in the hoop right now, right? Well, we got to make sure I have a rate for him to pay.

So, I did, I went and saw Ron and I said, where these numbers come from and the arbitrary he goes. No, but kind of. They're just mimicking the solar. I don't know that they're really consistent with other towns or anything. And I said, let's figure that out. We agreed to table it and to adopt something. I'll be honest with you. I think that's the bottom end. I don't know. I want to see what the other towns are doing. I don't want to be. I think it should. I think that was like the bare minimum.

I think the scope of that review is so much more detailed respect the fire company involved. I think the hazard mitigation analysis. I just, I don't want to start again. I just know we need to do it.

We need to do it quick. I think they have the application more intricate than the solar. maybe that may play into the cost. So we were going to, I talked around a lot of it yesterday. I had a conversation. Like you said, I copied you guys on email. Yeah. But I did not memorialize it in an email. Okay. All right. Roger.

Oh, did Ron get his vehicle taken care of?

I kept seeing emails about, I guess condos.

I think your email about the 20 grand negotiated car or something. I read yours. I just saw the back and forth from the highway department. Oh, it's a different time maybe?

The SUV or the truck. And then the bid kept bouncing back and forth. Did we settle that so that they can order there?

They took too long and they sold the vehicle. They got the quote on it. I saw that part. Yeah.

No, I guess we just need to give the guy in the highway department that green light because he's confused. Oh, he said...

You'd be better off waiting, but I won't wait. I mean, just waiting because he said the end of the model year.

We can order one that comes in under procurement. So that's what he was thinking to order. We don't have enough vehicles laying around here. I don't care. So we could buy one cheaper if we order it than if we bought one off the wall. That's what it came down to.

I think it was the issue of which type of vehicle.

Well, order what? That was the question that started it. I said a truck or an SUV.

We also need to give them a budget number, too.

Took us sideways, but we need to look at that because it's October.

Wait a 2nd, so it wasn't so in the original part, it was, but if you go back in the end. in the back section. I'm trying to remember what that was exactly. But it showed on here, but then we went into the end of it.

It's under the general tab. If you go to G7, it tells you who makes up that number.

So it looks like there's $44,000 for a new assistant to a supervisor. Or is that because... What's that? Would you say seven? G7. They all say G7.

One of four. Look under supervisor. Personnel.

So there was a place in the back that had the breakdown. So that was on this sheet, but it disappears in the back. I believe that was removed. That's a double check, but I pretty sure that why is that? I would agree to get rid of it. Why would it be in here if it was removed? So it was this piece and then they reprinted and it was in the back. I called it out.

So what you're saying, I will write it down. So this is G7.

And the supervisors was like, Revenue, Revenue, Revenue, Revenue, Revenue, Revenue, Revenue, Revenue, Revenue, Revenue, Revenue, Revenue, Revenue, Revenue, Revenue, Revenue, Revenue, Revenue,

So how do you see that that was done? Where it says five new staff part-time and then it's empty? See, the line is empty.

So we'll go through all, but I'll make a note of it. What age one are you talking about?

This one, you know, I never grabbed that. I don't Corinne printed it out. And I was doing that she had a baby.

Yeah, I'll look at pizza. Yeah, I know what I want to do with it. So Oh, well, our time is

Well, I, I guess we'll get jump in because this was my motion to, uh, I think. I think we should freeze all elected official salaries because. I mean, and this is not a hit on personalities or people. If you look when a new supervisor come in, it's not like we said, we roll back when a new guy comes in, he builds himself back up. That never happened here, but that's okay because the supervisor is an ongoing job. It's not like. You know, it is what it is is chief executive of the town, but. At this point, I just think we should freeze just out of. Optics, it shouldn't be an elected official goi

It's optics. So we're going to do supervisor and everybody, all of the officials froze at 2026, but okay.

Again, I don't think any of us are on the bottom of any of the scales when you compare them with other towns in our population.

We have zero fund balance. $6,000 on our fund balance. I'm not going to argue with it. I appreciate that. It's definitely great.

I don't care. The four of us, I think there's zero discussion. I would be open to a discussion for Patty, Pete, and Jim, because those are full-time commitments. It's their job.

But it's their job, but we're also elected. And again, Tom, in any other town we've been, we did not have... The thing that I'm trying to root out, and it's not because any specific person, but these step increases that we decided to start giving our highway superintendent and our supervisor, we're not union. We don't do steps. We're elected officials. We should get just the 3% or 2%, whatever we give our town employees.

But that's my point. But that's my point is why... you would expect to give them that. The six of us who were part-time, it's not our bread and butter. That's the distinction I make. The steps, I don't care. But should it be... 2% or 3% or what we would give everybody else for the people who this is their job. I can go either way on it. I'm just saying not all elected is created equal.

Just to understand going forward, I made less money than the previous supervisor and I worked on the escalator. It starts lower and then goes up. Not by a lot, but I definitely started lower than them.

The last supervisor before you made $78,000 when he started. No, that's his last year paid 78,000 dollars right in the fair. Well, I know it goes back. You made 3 grand.

I made less than John. No, he didn't. What was the year?

He may have, and that would have been because there was a collective bargaining agreement entered into between there, and the supervisor's pay rate was based on that step. That's why he went back to... Step one of the step, but because there was a bargaining agreement that increased what that was insignificantly, because that last one was a big one.

I'm talking about money. I know you are. Money in pocket. Money in pocket is more than...

But that goes to your point about... Having the position assigned steps on the union wage scale, they shouldn't be.

And, you know, all of us, same of all of you, when you first started walking around with doing your petitions, did you even know what a councilman's pay was? I did not know. I did not. I just wanted to do the job. I wanted to be a councilman. I wanted to help drive the council.

And I get that too. So I think we should celebrate. That's my point with having the discussion between the four of us and Mark and Mark rather than Well, that's why we didn't want to talk about it at the last. I'm saying it with them sitting here, and I'd say it if they weren't.

I do think looking at it after we get through this is a good idea because we're going into another cycle, and it would be nice to have that.

Don't sign a petition if you don't want to make this the month of the new year.

I mean, do we want to include those three? That's my point.

I do for this year because of the budget. I do only simply because we can't restore our fund balance to even... I mean, we're not even close to 10%. No. And 10% is the minimum. They like to see a 25%. We used to be there. I know, but we don't get back there if we don't start making decisions like this.

No, he's talking about fund balance, not ratings.

So if we spend $12 million, we should have 1.2. We have 6,000. So this is a $8,200 swing. Okay.

A bunch of $8,200 will get us to 100,000. Okay. That's what it says right here. $82.96. $83. Yeah, it's a better balance of budget right away.

Go. One line at a time, Pete. We're going to go there.

The cost, but if you get a pile of them, we'll just do it all at once.

Do that. She wants that one done separately because it's got to get posted separately.

So this is still a freeze on all electives for 2026. The first and the second we discussed.

Well, are we going to flip one, one by one so we don't miss something?

Page 12 of 167, the general fund. And this could be a confusion on my part, but maybe we can help clear it up. Grant writers, we have 24,000 additional grant writer, 24,000 other vendors, 46,000. I have no clue what all that money is being spent for because the new grant writer is like 37,000, aren't they, Rhonda?

That was like a max for the year, right? It's based on how many. They give us a quote when they're going to do a grant. So I think that was just an average number thrown in there.

So why do you have 24 twice? I mean, that used to be the old grant writer's number.

That's 24 for the old one. It was $2,000 a month.

Right. But what's the bottom on additional grant writer?

There should only be one. That's your point.

All right, so one of these 24 is coming up. And what are the additional vendors? I don't understand. Who is an additional vendor under grant writing?

I think we get that pretty considerably.

I'm just saying, does anyone know what that 46 is for?

If you look, there's examples of it down below, like scenic woods.

That stuff was all stuff that was professional service that came out of that. So we put a little bit of money aside to get a big project? You did the commons? Is that where the money came from when we did the drawing of the commons? No, we used grant money for that.

It's just a big number to be thrown in there, right?

What did we use last year in that number?

That can't be true. The 6,000 actual, because we have that means something happened to our grant, right?

I can pay the connection is 94,000. So, how does, so we have a. budgeted for even my we use 70,000 in 2025 right in 2090 or we use 93 right well we must have a big lump coming because we're projecting our final current projection for the first is 94,000 for this year right but right now her 1 through 12 we're at 6300 mm-hmm

That's a big gap, so the vouchers and the company for our grant writing yet. Because that that should come out of that line. Well, this was prepared in September. Yeah. Keep in mind. That's September.

Every June, July, August, look at the historic data, what it usually falls at. It's not out of the line.

I'm going to put a question mark on this one so we don't. Up above that, let's make an adjustment here, too, I think, on the Zoom for $4,200. I think we should, we've talked about this for months, switching Zoom to Teams. We have Teams. We already paid for it. Ron's tried it with a couple of, some committee, not one I'm sitting in, but can't we get rid of that?

That was my understanding from Ron, but.

I have no problem even, I know that I'm not a technical savvy person, but I have no problem getting away from Zoom 100% and we film our meetings and we post them on the website. It would cause a lot of less problem on this board if we didn't have to run Zoom on every meeting.

But we still film it and we still post it so we can still see our actions. So we're not hiding. And if you're using Teams, you can still allow people to come in. Okay. I just don't know.

It doesn't matter to me. If it doesn't minimize transparency on time.

Other than I'm the one who's got to deal with it, so I'll take Ron at his word.

Yes, and the other part is it also is a document holder instead of having to be Dropbox. It's the only one that's worked so far.

I'm sending Ron something, so maybe I'll get an answer. We have talked about it for a couple of months. And I understand it's a little bit of money, but a little bit, a little bit. That's to add up.

That's gone. That's gone. Oh, are we going to go? So this is just a cover sheet. So when we get to each department. We'll look at each of those lines. Okay.

Another 1, I'm 36. It's 36. 2026, we allocated this money. I believe the clerk or is talking about buying her furniture with 26 money. So this will need to be in 2027. It was added in again. We don't need to, though, if she's using 2026 funds that she can allocate in 2026, this can just line out.

Well, there's knocking the wall out and putting windows in the town hall.

Do you want to go to the 31st? Do you want me to take it out? No. She didn't.

So if it's a no... Right, so if it's a no for security, let her buy her furniture for 2026 and zero out 2027, so I'm going to get 30 grand. Take out that and take out the encumber.

My next one's page 48. If I just go to my tabs, I'm with the next person's tabs. Page 48 or something.

Wait, let's go back for one second if we could. So we're not jumping stuff. On page 20, what is this stipend under supervisors?

The comp time, I don't I don't think you want to talk about that now you want to set up. That's okay. Sure. Okay.

So would we take it out here or is this one? Okay.

I got it. So I'm sorry, Dan. I just didn't want to jump past.

You're on page 20 of this, right? 20 of this. We're at 80 grand right now. Okay.

Plug it away. We can't touch any of that. That has to happen.

And I knew like, like, it's 48. Yep. Yep. First of all, whenever I look to the, a lot of times what stops me when I'm looking through this, I look to the right and see the percent of increase. It's going to look at it. That's 181%. Yeah. So that made me stop and look.

So I understood it differently. I understood that we were going to hire a firm. To do our stormwater and park 1 of our people with them to teach them as they do it so that they would be then able to do it in perpetuity. But that's how I understood it. Maybe I misunderstood. I didn't hear that at all.

I heard that this week. That's another way to teach.

somebody how to do it if the people who are sitting there don't know how to do it.

part of it seemed like we are behind yes so we needed to catch up okay but aren't we the 61 000 that we spent this year including so final projection is 65 that includes paying somebody to do that work already correct i would assume so because i don't know what else why are we asking for twice what we already paid to have somebody do it i don't know and why is it going to take a full year to teach someone to do this i don't know

But if you go back two years, to be fair, they spent $259,000 on that one. Yeah, but some of that... I'm just saying the $55,000 may have been an anomaly for 2026. The problem is I have... I don't understand how they're managing this. You're 100% right. And because there is no clear management process here, we can't figure it out. To add to put the money to it. It's very confusing for us, but I also know that our number 1 problem on this island, besides the shipment water plan, the drainage.

Yeah, but those are our 3. yeah, these are regulatory. It's my understanding. These are regulatory reporting. To the DC and whatever else, so this isn't going out and. And designing where our water is going to go, this is just stuff we haven't done. That are regulatory requirements to be reporting.

There's a lot of things that need to be done on a sequential basis. All these stormwater ponds that go to all these developments all need to be inspected. They're all overdue to be inspected. We don't have anybody to go inspect them.

Kevin used to do some of that along with John. Who replaced Kevin? Didn't we just hire Kevin? You know, we have a full staff in there.

Kevin used to do like- The civil engineers.

I understood it that we were going to bring a company in to help us catch up and get the status quo. We were going to park Jason with them. So Jason would be our stormwater person going forward. That's how I understood it. Maybe that's not it, but that's how I got it. They originally wanted, I think, quite a bit more money. 150K. Yeah, we pushed it way back.

That was a sole consultant to come in and just do it. Right. That's when we talked to him. Right.

Okay. And this was more the nurturing program, if you will.

I think, yeah, I think you didn't I think you're not far off. If Lynn knows how to do these things and we were to have her. Focus on these documents and take her off of everything else. I wanted to see actually Lynn, and I want to see some of the people, everything else, because nobody knows how to do all the other stuff. But why doesn't anyone know how to do these jobs? Who's responsible to make sure these people know how to do their job? Because the needle keeps pointing to the same thing every time for me. And it's not rocket science. This part was mismanaged.

The first question is, is Lynn willing to stay another year? That would be the first question. I understood when my conversation with her is that she, in her mind, is continuing from January.

It was intended to be a transition plan. And it hasn't been. The day that Lynn decides she doesn't want to do it anymore is going to be a really, really, really bad day for the town.

Or even worse, God forbid, she can't do it.

But the bigger discussion is how do we take what's in here, a blend, and put it on paper or put it – it needs to be on paper because even if she trained someone and even if this company trained someone, then what happens if they decide next year they want to leave? We hire trainers again?

So I went in and asked Lynn six months before she left her full-time position. In the military, we have what's called a continuity book. Everyone has it. Everyone's responsible for it. If you were to get hit by a bus today, someone could come in and pull your continuity book and not maybe as good as you. I didn't even tell you what keys to hit on the keyboard to get to the super, to the screens you didn't get to. Maybe we need to implement that all departments will have continuity books for key one deep departments. A version of it, yeah. Obviously, big machine government can do a lot more.

Every department was supposed to have an SOP for their department. Same thing, called something different, different variation.

And we got some of the same things again, but I was the normal annual request. These numbers were, how'd we get here? You're on 50? Yeah. I mean, are these the same? I think it's work that they do.

Additional stormwater projected to send 75.

I don't want to take anything away from drainage, but I want to make sure.

I mean, if we're only projected to spend 75. This year, do we just take 30 off of it in order to program in 2025?

Yeah, no, they did a really big project on the bell that was going underwater and we're losing houses.

That's why we have these meetings, because we're wondering why the numbers are different than the year before. Yeah.

Next page, 52, is the... This is a big page for me, because you have town hall improvements. Isn't that only, like, Real improvements, it's not our contractual, our, our heat and cool and it's not our upkeep.

I think I believe that some of that would fall into that, but I believe that to town hall improvements was mostly.

What we're looking to do with pennies, that's what you just brought up. So, this line went to 267.

From actual 86 page 52. From 80 actual 89. All right, I'm sorry. Oh, I got it.

I got it. So that is turned into I. Question that myself that is turning in more and more into this tree removal. He's done trees on these. um town-owned properties that are falling on people's sheds and everything else so we we have a tree fund with the highway department 100 grand yeah that's a town hall line yeah so i don't know why it was done that way but i questioned it too because i thought it was way too much money landscape and trees 40 grand for the time does that seem like a right number no not even close i don't think so i don't think it's all

But the sidewalks and I don't think it's all what you're thinking. Do we guys please? We guys put on doing the redo of the concrete of the entrance ways out the apron is there was discussion on that because it's breaking. Yeah, no, I agree. It needs to be done if that's what that time grant is for.

So, it's interesting in this line before look at all the weird things that are in it.

Network upgrades because he will stuff that makes sense. Yeah, I mean, it's all stuff that's at town hall too. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm saying, do we have a big project for the was Patty's the 149 and we're not going to do it this year. So that's to do it this year. Let's knock it out this. And how did I mean, how did you adjust the 26 budget? Get to 510?

If you look at the 2, we're only projected to spend 89 right now and. The final projection is 150 and then we modify it to add not only $13,000, but we have some grant stuff going in with, uh, heating and finishing and all that stuff up in, uh.

Wouldn't that would still show up on the projection would show up in projection, but it would also not really be either way. It doesn't matter.

I mean, do we want to make it? We want to leave something in there in case something. Oh, yeah.

Leave 49. Leave 50, make 99 out. Yeah, that makes sense. Reduce.

16, 20. 16, 20, 200. Yeah, 16, 20. Improvements to town hall to 50,000.

And then the landscaping and trees, I pay 25 grand. The degrees definitely should be done through the highway. You're taking you're taking 100 growing up, right? 99 99 and then this landscape and trees. I mean, Jim does a great job, but I don't see 40,000 dollars with the followers out there. He goes to the prison and gets them for almost nothing. So then it's $40,000. I don't understand. Do you want to ask the question? Do you want to just, before we do this? Because there's something I don't know why we're depending on $40,000 on landscape. This isn't his mower, his gas. He doesn't mow.

So I would say let's take it right on the 10 then, because I don't see more than $10,000 worth of flowers in the front yard. And then if he... We'll talk to him. Just tell him we're doing it. The concrete I want to keep because the concrete's a safety issue that way, yeah. What is the LG frame scanner?

That's the large for the new printer. And I believe that thing's on its last leg. It's been on its last leg for years. We just keep calling it. So you're taking number eight down to what?

What's the other building for $25,000? Scooters is $25,000. Other building is only $8,000.

I think that's in there just as a... Okay, that's when Jimmy has to fix something something great like.

I don't want to shave it so much we can't do anything.

On the next page, we haven't done a town-wide newsletter since before 2020. It's $2,600.

If that's what it is. Is that what it is, Pete? The newsletter Mary Cook used to send out, we haven't done one.

The reason they started that historically, what I learned is you have to publish your water Um, the water report, so what we do now is we add it as a line in a couple of water bills for a couple of cycles, and we put it on the website. So that's why we've never spent the money on doing the newsletter again.

You can only charge $2, by the way. I'm charging $10. Why would you do that?

I might expire on purpose. I thought it was automatic once you're an attorney. You still have to sign up for it, but once they wanted me to keep a log, I'm like, help.

Oh, eGov. I see it. It's for eGov, right? It says eGov seamless docs. So this Civics Plus line, that's more than the website. It has to be because the website is like $8,300. So is this some of your software and Ron's software?

We have a Civics Plus. My knowledge is the website. We didn't buy any other modules.

It might have just never been reduced following the first year because the first year because the element fee was higher.

So here's the, I looked at our current invoice because our contract runs October to October. So right now we're looking at $8,300. But if we are required, I sent everything to Ron, if we're required to do this ADA module, the reduced rate for this October is $5,100. Then it goes up to 72 every year after. But I'm not sure if we have to do it.

is there's an annual there's and then there's software stuff or dell sonic annuals what's all that stuff so one is the 3800 is our service contract with links okay the vmware dell ruckus is The subscription fees to those programs that we just pay through, they pay it and it just passes.

What do we agree to pay Ron annually? He's great. 32. It was there for like 32. Thank you. So we're still under the salary of a good computer gig for all we get.

So that can definitely... Yeah, I mean, I'll take that out.

I'll check with Ron. This website thing needs more clarification. Civics Plus needs more clarification.

I think it does. I mean, if that's the number, that's the number. Why would we leave?

So it's either, well, we can definitely say it's 8,500, but we could put in the other number. What's that going to make for us, Ron? If we put in the 5,000, That covers us if we have to do it, which would be 13, so we drop it to 14 and it's only 14 more safe.

So here's Ron's response. I had the board conference room almost converted testing for teams. I've been kind of hoping to make a January 1 cutover, at least for advisory boards.

If you look up here, I want to talk about on page 55. We have a by month. It's just one page before where we were. This Windows 2500. When I did invoices, they were a little higher than that. But at any rate. Are we still getting a cherry picker with Highway so that we don't have to rent it to do banners and stuff?

So we could get rid of that line because then we could clean the windows with that, although they don't use a cherry picker. They use a long... Squeegee.

Yeah, but with him to be safer, we'll give him the cherry picker. We don't want Jim Fano. Certain people got to be qualified to be in there and I don't like upfront.

I don't know if you're gonna be able to get a cherry picker up to get the front of the windows with the way that the. Stairs and stuff are set up like, I don't know.

No, no, no, I don't mean it's just the same. The use she's saying the use of that equipment. Jim is buying it. As a town piece of equipment, so what Ron is trying to say is, let's utilize it to save. Because parks use it to hang up banners. They won't have to rent anymore for banners. It's going to save on a lot of rentals.

I know, but I don't know. Jeff's taking this $2,500 off, but I don't think you're going to be able to do. You'd be driving the thing through gardens.

Bernie and me, the less time we spend with people working from heights, the better.

Well, right now, we don't use a cherry picker. We just use a stick so it's a company that's doing it right yes oh yeah so we can have that discussion i think for now let's leave it and see what happens and if we order that fort that floor piece i think somebody one of the departments wanted to order a floor waxer thing so there that could come off if we did that we don't need to hire someone to come in and do that i don't know if it's left in the budget i just made a note while we're going

I think the board should really consider, right after we finish this budget and we finish $1, a way to actually increase all of our fund balances is to do an RFP for everything that we own and watch the numbers come in lower. And that in and of itself might give us a fall through at the top, the bottom. I'm talking about everything.

I'm just looking at things that we could, keep in house.

I went to the tree removal line for the highway on 88-167. I asked Michael, how could you only spend $4,500 and ask for another $100,000? I'm sorry, $88,000 of $167,000. And he already explained it away. So we have to keep that amount. For Treetown USA, we have to keep that amount. I called him out on it.

I didn't realize we spent $2,000 for National Night Out.

I don't know. What page are you on? Oh, maybe this is following under police, so they must step forward there. They had to get a tenant this year. Yeah. I thought it was going to be shared.

The balls, the squeezy balls and that kind of stuff.

Okay. I know you said it, but it's yours.

We spend a lot in janitorial services throughout the town. Wish we could. I wish we could, like, get rid of that. Like, the police age minimum is $2,600 a year. Golden Age spends $750 a month. That stuff adds up. I don't really know what kind of deep cleaning is happening for that.

I think Patty will tell you around here, at least in the ladies' room, precisely none. But we're paying for it. Have you ever been here for one of her rants about the...

No, we don't do that anymore. We took that away.

Oh, yeah. It's being done. Yeah. Take it out of goldmage. They shouldn't be paying for cleaning. We have employees. Clean your stock. Yep. 100%.

I just sometimes feel like I'm looking at small little items, but I still think they add up.

As I was laughing, the people on the link were complaining because the bathrooms were dirty on the aircraft carrier. I'm like, yeah. Because you're supposed to clean your morons.

I have another general question. Crossing guards are amazing. I love them. I love that I work with them. But why do we not get reimbursed from the school for that like we do for the SOPs? Not SOPs.

Nothing that we will take off right now.

Because we can manage it cheaper than a school. They would get probably a 401k, and that line would cost the school budget $4 million.

It's like a reimbursement. We do it with the SROs. We have people assigned there, and then we get reimbursed for it.

Can anyone tell me, and again, this is cost saving budget, what the rationality was about having a police officer in town hall? Like four town halls and none of them have a police officer in their town hall. They're here all the time or not?

It made sense to me. It seems like it's a reasonable cost to have. I'm turning over every rock. There's no friends in this budget. You have to turn over every rock. What page are we on now?

Well, I think we questioned Tyler before in 77. I'm assuming this line for software has been updated with Tyler numbers.

Uh-huh. I'm thinking. I always say that we were questioning if Tyler was in here.

Earlier, we questioned on the computer under shared services, some of the technical stuff, and we questioned Tyler. But there is another line here for software under the building department.

Because they're building department specific software.

But I'm assuming that it's linked in with Tyler because he's using that to change a number. Yeah.

I don't see it on the page. It's building permit software online. Right now it's 443. I can't see it.

Because he wanted a different, it was probably in there because he wanted a different software that was going to cost.

And now we did the module Tyler and that's why it's lower.

I got to go at noon, so we probably ought to start talking about another date, too.

Pick up from there. We'll be at, where are we going to be, Highway?

When we get to rack and stuff, there's going to be.

What do you got? The only day I could do next week would be Friday because I'm going to be in Little Valley for depositions Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Monday is a holiday. Friday the 6th. Good news is I have precisely nothing on my calendar that day.

Wait, this coming Monday is a holiday, isn't it?

Right. The 12th is... So I can have Monday, or I can do Friday. Friday the 16th? I don't see anything on... I can potentially do...

He can zoom in if he wants to, or, yeah, I mean... 16.

No, it's going to be budget. We're never going to freaking get through this.

They said you're going to have to get... You're going to have to switch to 12... You're going to have to switch to 1-1 the next year if we get in the LMH thing. So... At least that's what he said. So at some point we're going to have to do that. It would make more sense just to do it. And that gives us a little buffer now in case it then goes sideways. Okay, I'll add it. October 16th. The 16th?

And then the 19 did discuss one thing that I think didn't happen in Monday's meeting. It's our attorney that's coming fast. We're expecting to figure it out.

Are we done? We did. We'll tell you when we're done. We didn't exactly.

Oh, I didn't know we decided on anything. We just laid the things out, but we didn't come up with anything.

Are we done with the budget for today? Are we moving on?

I mean, do we need another day? Do we want to start? Do we want to plan to start the 19th early? Oh, in case, yeah. For what? More budget. We have to do more budget. Okay. Start at five o'clock and then we can have another hour or so. Yeah, that's fine with me. On 1019. Yep. We need to go through that.

Some of the stuff we've saved today, we know the legal line is underfunded. We need to put that back to where it legally needs to be.

Monday, the 19th and a start of 530 instead of five and five instead of 630. And that would be five designated just for budget.

Hopefully we get that done. If not, that might reset another day. And we will set the public hearing for the second, the 19th, no matter what.

We will make sure that we'll find it for sure. I'm going to be in California, but I'll zoom in. I hope you're going to get up in the middle of the night.

If you wouldn't have had a meeting on the 16th and we would have done it at 9 a.m., then he would have been kicking us.

Did we second it? Yeah, it was the Gotti-Garcia. We went through page 85 of general. You're through about 70-ish. Through building.

Wait, I just want to get your feel on something before I dig into this, whether it would be an option for us to look at. And that is the Golden Age Center looking at the county mill program.

Yes. Please, somebody do it. John, weren't you with us? No, it's me, John, and Judy went to lunch and ate the meal, and it was fine. I am 100%. I heard John had shrimp in his lunch.

Well, they put it in a container. You don't have to do it that way. It can come in a shaping. But at any rate, it's more than just the meals. It's costing us labor and taking time away from staff, et cetera, out digging.

I had a person corner me on that. She's a very smart woman. I understand, too. I don't know who she is. She went to that launch with us. She's a smart woman. We can still do birthday searches.

Should we talk about legal space? We are not set on that. I don't think we are. him and the prosecutor were going to share the office. We never agreed to it. I don't think we should share an office, Tom. With another attorney?

We're still in session. Jim has a plan where he just puts a wall down the middle of the accounting office today.

I mean, I would not want our town attorney... No, I like the prosecutor's office, but I don't like him sharing. That's a perfect office, but I don't know if... Why wouldn't they share?

Again, we're doing this, and I want to say what was said during executive session, but since it was said during executive session, it would seem inappropriate to say it now again during a public session.

Because they should both fall under in any other government where you had more than one employee, they would fall under a general department of law. There is no reason they cannot share an office.

So on court night, like 100 people come in and out of that office and say yes or no. Well, the attorney said. Why can't we just take a piece of the cop's office, that desk that's right there, and put the prosecutor there? The other thought is if we modify that storage area.

I think the place is right. We can condense storage areas and probably eke out another office, which we would have permitted.

Pete, the problem is we have too much space. That's why I thought of accounting. How much space we have there now because of the empty offices. And if, in fact, you move in a different direction with another employee and there's another empty office, it's just not an ideal place.

It would have to be, so in my opinion, that would have to be that outer office and move the door so there's a separate entrance. Even then, they're not quiet.

So I think the immediate move is to bunk them up with the prosecutor and then we can look at other opportunities. But that's like day one. We just plan on him being there. I mean, it's quick. It's the quickest thing we can do.

You know what? I'll tell you that. I'll tell the police, too, and ask why it's court night. The policing's open. Why can't we just turn the desk so the prosecutor guy can step up to the door and leave him in the cop's office?

And then their little kitchenette area can be where the kitchenette area is.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. But Jim's leaving on vacation. He's our pick-strapper guy for the room. That's the reason it's becoming more and more.