Housing and Land Use Committee (2025-2027) - Regular Meeting

Will the Disaster Recovery International Affairs and Planning Committee come to order? The time is now 9.03, and if everyone can please silence their cell phones or any noise-making devices, that will help our cause. Members, in accordance with the Sunshine Law, if you are not in the council chambers, please identify by name who, if anyone, is in the room, vehicle, or workspace with you today. minors do not need to be identified. Also, please see the last page for information on meeting connectivity. I did also receive some email feedback, something about the microphones. When you speak into t

Aloha kakahiaka, Chair, and everybody, good morning.

Good morning. And aloha kakahiaka to Council Member Gabe Johnson in the chambers with us.

Aloha and good morning, Chair, Council Members, committee members. I'm here and ready to work. Thank you.

Thank you. And we have Council Chair Alice Lee joining us online. Aloha kakahiaka.

I'm home alone in my workspace, and I want to remind everyone that Riley did do the report yesterday. It's on Granicus number 59, South Maui Community Plan Implementation Cost Summary. So if you have any questions, let us know.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Riley. And next up, we have Council Member Kiani Rollins-Fernandez. Aloha kakahiaka. And somebody remind us to take our morning break at 10.15 so that she doesn't miss too much. Aloha kakahiaka.

Mahalo, Chair. We like electricity. Next up, Councilmember Shane Sinensi in the chambers. Aloha kakaiaka.

And member Yukile Sugimura is excused today. Maybe she'll come in around after lunch. This meeting of the Disaster Recovery International Affairs and Planning Committee of the Maui County Council is located on the traditional aina of the Kanakawewi. who never ceded their sovereignty to the United States. We recognize that Her Majesty Queen Liliuokalani yielded the Hawaiian kingdom to the U.S. Indores under threat of violence to avoid the bloodshed of her people. We further recognize that Hawai'i remains An illegally occupied nation state by the U.S. as documented in a 2021 scholarly article fo

So those are not currently in Appendix D. So that's something that we'll need to work on is definitions of riparian area, riparian corridor and riparian buffer and how those relate to 2.4, .5, .6 and .7 is what you're saying.

Okay. All right. So just putting that on the members' radar, we won't get to it today because we want to have public works here when we have that discussion. There was one other revisit I think that we didn't get to that was with planning, and that was... two oh wait no we did do that 2.5.11 a and b sorry

Goal 2.3, Action 303 in Section 4 was one that I had on my list to revisit. So on Section 4, Goal 3.03... It's on page 128 of your booklet at the top, action 3.03. And we were gonna revisit it with planning on replacement language relating to an annual educational shoreline. Ms. Komkowicz, did you have any replacement language for 3.03 in your ready to go? If not, we can come back to it at a later time. No, I do not have any language proposed. Oh, okay. All right. So that will be added to our revisits. We also have workforce housing, Member Cook and my policy ones. So we'll take those up at an

Okay. So the notes that I got from Director Molitaw last night was basically what I read. It was a newer term and traditionally the Moku was Wailuku. So I guess that's the first question for the members. I think Wailuku is more widespread known. Pu'ali could refer to like the Isthmus and kind of the west portion of the Isthmus. Do the members have any preference on that one? Wailuku or Pu'ali Komohana? Member Sinensi?

Throughout the plan, Pu'ali Komohana is used to refer to Wailuku Moku, and it's kind of a newer and not as wide-known term for the moku of Wailuku. And, you know, I don't know if we want to get Wayne from the CPAC chair, if anyone has strong feelings about it.

Well, so we won't have Director Molitawa until this afternoon, but when I asked him last night, he wasn't really familiar with Wailuku being referred to as Puʻualikomohana. He had said it was a newer term. Mr. Weltman, did you have any input for us?

Okay, so that's not a CPAC opinion, but that's a private opinion. And was the change to Pu'u Ali Komohana made at the Planning Commission level?

Oh, okay, okay. Members, any feeling one way or another? Everyone's good with it. I mean, for ease of readability for the reader, I mean, I would a little bit favor Wailuku, but Member Rollins-Fernandez.

Okay. We have the footnote at the bottom, like the source of the information was the OHA Kipuka database, but people have said, you know, there's a disclaimer on it that not everything on there is correct. Oh, at this time, I would like to welcome Committee Vice Chair Nohe Uu Hadens, Aloha Kakahiaka.

Aloha Chair. Aloha everyone. I'm at my private residence. Right now I have one adult at home with me, Koa Hodgins and three minors but soon my daughter has a dentist appointment because the other week she did not and they will be leaving so then I will only have two minors at home with me.

Thank you Chair. Thank you. Committee Vice Chair, just to get you up to speed, we're on page two of the booklet and we're discussing whether to use the Moku name of Pu'ali Komohana or of Wailuku. We're not sure when or why Pu'ali Komohana was inserted. I think Ms. Kamkowicz had something to share with us.

Yeah, so that's another thing is that we want to have consistency, I think, so that people know that we're talking about the same thing, Mr. Weltman.

Oh, okay. So it's not super clear. As Member Rollins-Fernandez said, when Y got inserted, it kind of seems to be used interchangeably throughout the booklet with Wailuku. So I guess if there isn't a strong opinion either way, I would entertain an amendment to change all references of Pu'ali Komohana to Wailuku. moved by Member Cook, seconded by Member Johnson. Discussion, Member Sinensi?

Well, Kaho'olawe looks to be a part of Honuaula Moku.

So it does say on here, the last sentence on the page, that the South Maui Community Plan area spans four distinct moku. And that is a portion of Lahaina, a portion of Wailuku, a portion of Kula, and a portion of Honuaula. It's the white outline on the figure. But it looks like if there are other moku on the eastern side of the island of Maui, it was cut off in the picture diagram.

Okay, thank you. Any further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor, raise your hand and say aye.

Thank you. And then another... And these are kind of manini, but just wanting to let South Maui have the best community plan that they can have. Lahaina and kaupō that are depicted in Figure 1.1 are a little bit difficult to read with the shaded background. Morso kaupō and... It may be a non-substantive change, but I don't know if we want to put Lahaina and Kaupo in the ocean section and draw a line to it because all the rest of the Moku kind of stand out against the background. Member Cook.

I like that chair because I was just looking at that and going like, this is really difficult. So either a white font for it on the land or move it offshore Makai and like you said, I don't know if you need an arrow. I just think adjacent to it, but... Yeah.

Would that be substantive or non-substantive? Okay, so if you can just indicate our desire to make Lahaina and Kaupo more legible, whether it be in white or on the ocean adjacent. Okay. So I'm not sure that we spoke to this with the members and we didn't. It's not something that we caught for the West Maui Community Plan. But moving on to page three, If you can see Figure 1.2, the section that says Community Plans, and I'm not sure if this matters to members or not. You guys can let me know that West Maui Community Plan is called West Maui Community Plan now. With this update, South Maui Commu

Thank you, Chair. I think your focus on being accurate is appropriate. If there's a challenge with having things fit and the layout and all of that, then maybe a footnote at the bottom or something. But I concur. I mean, when people are looking at it, or to be able to link in reference to what it's indicating.

Yeah, I like that idea of a footnote at the bottom. Then we don't need to change the diagram and we can just say, so would that be something substantive or non-substantive?

Okay. On page three of our South Maui Draft Community Plan, I'll entertain a motion to amend page three to include a footnote at the bottom to list that the current names of Central Maui Community Plan is blank. The current name of a country is blank. Not literally blank, but whatever it is. incorporating any non-substantive changes and revisions.

When you say blank because it doesn't exist or it's... Well, I don't know what it's properly supposed.

I think it's like the Wailuku Kahului Community Plan, Kula, Upcountry Makawao Community Plan or something.

Kula, Haiku, Makawao for North Shore. East Mound. Sorry, upcountry. Paia. Yeah, I said blank because I don't know the exact thing.

No, I gathered what you meant, but that's what I'm saying. Basically, spell it out exactly what it is because that really clarifies what areas that community plan is going to cover.

So Central Maui would be Wailuku, Kahului. Upcountry would be Kula, Upcountry, Haiku? Sorry. We don't have our upcountry.

Okay. So Central Maui would be Wailuku, Kahului upcountry would be Kula Upcountry Makawao, North Shore would be Pa'ia Haiku, and East Maui would be Hana. So we'll have a footnote with what each of those four currently are named and what they will be named. Moved by Member Cook, seconded by Member Uuhajins. Any further discussion? Seeing none, although, oh, Member Rollins-Fernandez.

Yes, it's currently Kihei Makena, and with this action, we'll be calling it the South Maui Community Plan. And the intention moving forward is to call the Kahului Wailuku Community Plan, the Central Maui Community Plan, the Upcountry Kula Makawao plan to be called a country plan, the Pai'ihaiku plan to be called the North Shore plan.

um oh go ahead part of the reason why i was um recommending or i didn't recommend the footnote that was member cook but recommending we take the action is because if anyone from the south maui community plan wanted to look up say the north shore community plan it doesn't exist right now so if they wanted to to compare it to the North Shore Community Plan or something, they would need to Google Pa'ia Haiku Community Plan. So it's for the reader of the plan to be able to find the information that they want.

Um, I don't have that information. Um, but it's, it's not gonna just, it's gonna connect what the existing plan name is to what the future plan is intended to so that people know. But yeah, I could. correlates to North Shore. Member Cook. Basically, it's a crosswalk, a simple crosswalk.

The footnote would be a crosswalk. And if somebody, you know, the simpler we can keep it, the better.

Yeah, so it's meant to help the reader if they want to find an existing community plan. Because as of right now, if they wanted to look up those four below South Maui, they don't actually exist.

Well, so this wasn't caught in the West Maui community plan. And so basically, I think what Planner Kamkowicz means, it was before her time.

That's what member Sinensi did, but his mic wasn't on.

I don't... So when I describe, like, to somebody who's not familiar with Maui, I do say North Shore of Maui. So that doesn't necessarily... And it's interesting because we call it all of that stuff now. Like, we don't say the West Shore of Maui or the South Shore of Maui. We could. You know, I guess North Shore is a little bit more fancy. But... I do describe it like that. And I kind of prefer it over the playa haiku because then you just skip over Kuao and Maliko and the rest of the other places in the areas. No different than the Kihei Makena. There's so many other places that we just kind o

I think that's why when I say it to other people who aren't from here, it's something like they have a North Shore, us too, I guess.

But yeah, we don't call it North Maui. I think everyone has a North Shore.

But not West Shore and South Shore and East Shore.

Oh, I see what you're saying. Well, we do have a West Shore, we just don't refer to it like that.

People before our time, I guess. Are you finished, Member Rollins-Fernandez?

Interesting discussion. I understand Chair was mentioning helping the reader a lot, and that in my time visiting Haiku Pa'i'i, I have heard many folks call it the North Shore. It's like a surfer culture term kind of thing. But it just seems there's the use of it, and people are using it, so... I think what Council Member Uhuha just mentioned is kind of what I think I'm okay with going that route because she's of the place and she speaks of it like that to her friends that aren't really from there, so it's okay. But I do like the idea of helping the reader. As a side note, we just got back from

It has its own plan. If you see the community island plan.

I see that. But why am I thinking that it was in West Maui? Maybe planning is, am I incorrect on that?

I mean, under the... It's in the- Chair.

Okay, all right. All right, thanks. Well, I just, nevermind then. Thanks, Chair.

Okay, any further discussion? The vote here is on the footnote explaining. Seeing none, all those in favor, raise your hand and say aye.

Okay, just one minor non-substantive change on page four. On the last sentence of the top paragraph, if we can just make it the plan instead of the community plan. That's pretty non-substantive though, yeah, okay. So, and then we do have figure 1.3 talking about the plan hierarchy, but there's no reference to figure 1.3, but I think that's okay. And then... Moving on to page five, some of the comments, just wanted to check in with folks. It says Maui County code. But then in the parentheses, it has MCC. I think it might be non-substantive after the first Maui County Code to put MCC there. And

Okay. So I guess checking in for the members feedback, um, community plans may be updated or revised every 10 years. This turned into like a 29 year later update. Do you wanna, um, just add in 10 years or more maybe? to make the two sentences make sense in relationship to each other.

How about 10 years or as soon as possible?

10 years would be the floor, but not the ceiling kind of thing. Because it kind of has been... More.

It's been more, but the delays have been varied. And at some point, maybe through technology and assisting the staff, so... and having more continuity in the database to basically be able to, it might be, but 10 years goes by pretty fast nowadays.

Maybe AI can help or something. Member Rollins-Fernandez, followed by Member Uhu Hodgins.

Then it seems like, um, as discussed in section 2.8 OB 090 Maui County code community plans are required to be updated or revised every 10 years. This 2027 update of the plan falls under this type of update and we got to it as soon as we could or incorporating any non-substantive changes or revisions to pretty it up to something more formal. Do we wanna entertain that motion? Moved by Member Cook, seconded by Member Sinensi. Any further discussion, Member Turley?

Why do we have to bother with this at all? I mean, there's a charter requirement, so we're supposed to update it every 10 years. So obviously if we don't, we just didn't get to it. Otherwise, it's gonna be a very wordy explanation.

We can just, because, I mean, it says may be updated or revised every 10 years, which isn't the truth. It's required. We can leave this blank plan, this update of the plan falls under this type of update, and they can draw their own conclusions. But may be updated is not accurate. It's a charter requirement. So that's what we're voting on. And there can be any kind of non-substantive changes or revisions. Member Rollins-Fernandez?

required to be updated or revised every 10 years per the Charter.

Okay. All those in favor, raise your hand and say aye.

Okay, so now we're on section 1.3. And so for me, when I read this, to me, a little bit, it seemed like just random points in history with no... like tying them together as why it was significant. And that's why I asked for more information, which OEB provided for us in Granicus 46. Did everyone have an opportunity to read Granicus 46? Okay. Maybe when we do take our morning break at 10.15, people can just glance through it and we'll come back to it after folks have had an opportunity to read through that. So for now, let's skip ahead from 1.3. Oh, 1.3 is the whole rest of it. So the portion o

So have it say, uh, he, he came out slash canal.

Do we need a motion for that? Is that substantive? Just fix it. Okay. So we don't need a motion for that one. We'll just note that that can be fixed to the correct name. Let's see. Moving on to page 24, the second paragraph down, it says, based on population forecasts for the planned area, the population may increase by 3,700 to 6,100 residents over the I guess for Ms. Konkowicz, page 24, was that meant to be the 20-year plan timeframe that that estimated increase was to occur? or is it the charter required 10-year? That would be the 20-year plan timeframe. Okay, since we know that the charter

Just some non-substantive changes in the next paragraph. I think it's non-substantive to say in the third sentence, I believe, next paragraph, the region is within the central aquifer sector area which has one of the county's lowest annual groundwater recharge rates and lowest potable water supplies instead of supply. And then last sentence. To support current needs and future growth in South Maui measures to reduce portable water consumption, including instead of such as including water conservation. And cross out the comma increased use of recycled water for irrigation. Potentially period. o

And were you intending for the English words to be in the definitions as well, or just the ʻōlelo Hawaiʻi? Freshwater streams and freshwater springs, that's fairly understandable.

Okay, thank you. Moving on to page 27. In the second paragraph, under how will climate change affect South Maui's future, the sentence reading, Over the past 20 years, flooding has resulted in almost 3 million in National Flood Insurance Program claims for damage and loss in South Maui. That's probably from 2020 data. Is it possible that we could get an updated estimate?

Oh, great. Okay. Staff, can you make a note that we'll get an updated estimate? Because especially, you know, with the Kona law and things like that, we want it to be as accurate as possible. So once we get an updated number, we can add that in. Last sentence. think we can say community is at risk instead of community area is at risk is that considered non-substantive it would read um 96 of south maui's land area is at high risk for wildfires meaning almost every home business or community is at risk instead of community area and then I mean, just stylistically, I think you'd spell out 96. Wou

Okay, could could you work on how you would like that? Um, incorporated in. Sure. Okay, great. Great. So we'll mark that as a revisit. Um. That's pretty much for that. And then I know Member Rollins-Fernandez is going to her meeting to return at 10.30. If members would like, we can go ahead and take a 30-minute recess for everyone. It's not a recess of your own time. It's a recess to read Granicus 46 and the beginning part of Section 1.3. and see how and if you'd like to incorporate the information in there or replace it. My suggestion, I guess, would be to read 1.3, the beginning part, from p

Oh yeah, they didn't have the benefit of OEV resources at that time. OEV came in in the middle of the process. So everyone got their assignment and will come back around 10.30. And that's the assignment. Recess till 10.30. Will the Disaster Recovery International Affairs and Planning Committee return from recess? Thank you to the members in public for that recess to let us get current on the work that we'll be doing. So any initial feedbacks? I had a place where I thought the added information can go, but there are also some revisions to the printed language, so we can go through it, and I'll

Okay, and we don't need to make a decision right this moment. I'm just bringing it to your attention that there's Hawaiian words with the definitions in parentheses and Hawaiian words without, and that they're also defined in the Appendix E. Member Sinensi.

Yeah, there is a fuller definition on page 165, which says, taboo, prohibition, special privilege or exemption from ordinary taboo, sacredness, prohibited, forbidden, sacred, holy, consecrated, no trespassing, keep out. And that does... sound different than the definition here so that's what i was saying maybe more for conservation and the use of couple in this area was more for conservation yeah it it i think the qualifier here is that it's ver there are various types of kapu or harvest and access restrictions so it it does indicate that there is more than one type of kapu And in this case, t

Yeah, lots of times it could even be death.

So we can... We can add to the definition on page 165 that it could be also a conservation system for harvesting food sources, if that helps. strict conservation system for harvesting food resources, for conservation of food resources. Maybe we can go over that when we have OEV resources about potentially adding on to the definition on page 165. But I guess, you know, if we're going to keep these definitions in the glossary, do members want to keep it also in parentheses here in the reading for ease of readers, ease of readability for the reader? Member Rollins-Fernandez.

And the things within the parentheses too?

Okay. Do you want to make that be a motion? So moved. Moved by Member Rollins-Fernandez, second by Member Uhuha-Jins. Go ahead, Member Sinensi, discussion.

Because we had heard from Deputy Robinson, I guess, previously about using the term kanaka oibi up to modern day. And then I think she had said kanaka maoli after modern day instead of utilizing native Hawaiians.

Okay, and seconder. Any further discussion from the members? Seeing none, all those in favor, raise your hand and say aye.

And then I was considering at the end of that paragraph with the coexist with the Aina and land for centuries, then adding on the second paragraph of the preface on page. or granicus 46 so after seeing talking about the native hawaiian or kanaka uv management of biological diversity and were able to coexist with the la aina for centuries Then going back to the contemporary South Maui community plan boundary overlays portions of traditional Hawaiian land divisions and ecological systems that extend beyond the planning boundary. These older relationships remain important. because water, cultural

There are some footnotes in here, and when I scroll down to the footnotes, it references the South Maui Community Plan. Will we be doing any cutting of this stuff? Because if we're referencing it, and it doesn't say which page you're referencing, it just says referencing the community plan, I'd be afraid to take out the thing that it's referencing.

Yeah, maybe we should also include in all of our amendments today subject to non substantive changes and revisions so that when it's all put in there, we can read through it and just make sure the readability makes sense. This is kind of a rough cut system. So, um. Staff if we don't specifically explicitly see it any amendment we make in 1.3 is to include non substantive changes and revisions just in case we forget to see it at the time any further discussion. Member Rollins Fernandez.

I think, you know, the biggest and it's not exactly spelled out, maybe we can make it be more clear, but the biggest effect of changing the boundaries and like that is. how the South Maui Community Plan and the upcountry Kula Makawao Plan splits up the ahupua'a. So as we're trying to get policies to help South Maui deal with the flooding and things that come from the uplands, this current form of creating boundaries is not super conducive to addressing the problem that occurs in South Maui. From what I saw, it wasn't explicitly stated that way, but I have some areas where I think we can clarif

We could if we knew what those were. Ms. Komkowicz, do we know how the community plan, I mean, I know it's in the charter probably or the code, but I'm not sure.

Sure thing. Ms. Komkwic, any comment to that? I'm not sure if you know the background on how the community plan areas were created.

All right. So that is where I would put those two. Did we, sorry, did we vote? Okay. Any further discussion at this time on the vote? Okay, all those in favor, raise your hand and say aye.

So then continuing on with the middle paragraph on page seven, here we see Wailuku used instead of Pu'ali Komohana. So we don't need to change anything because we changed it on the other diagram. So now it's consistent and it says C figure 1.1. So that helps our cause. you staff and i had been counting over the break we only count like 23 of the ahupua'a in the south maui community plan area but we're also checking with the gis if we if maybe some other ahupua'a should be included or if 23 is the right number instead of 25 so we'll come back around to that we're fact checking on that um I beli

I had to Google this word. Biodiverse oasis is plural for oasis. That's a new one for me. Oasis? That's like the middle paragraph. Rich biodiverse oasis. So if that's what we're saying, it's plural oasis. Okay. That's a new word for me. I didn't know that that was plural. That's all.

Oasis. Okay. Okay. There was a question on the following paragraph in reference to Kula sites. And if this is a reference to the god on page 166 in the hawaiian glossary so in the hawaiian glossary on page 166 it says kuula with a capital k the name of the god of fishermen from hawaii to kauai hina was his wife and the goddess of fishermen when the people prayed to kuula he would not and he would not give them fish then they prayed to hina to intercede with her husband so um Is that referring to the God, the Ku'ula sites, his sites, Ms. Komkowich?

Oh, it would be Ku'ula's. Member Sinensi, if you can use your mic for the online. Okay, so then maybe it should be capitalized. if it's referring to the god. Mr. Weltman?

We don't have kīpuka, but we could. Biodiverse Kipuka in the fissure breaks within the lava fields. The capital K can be non-substantive, since we clarified it is referring to Kuula, who is a god, and their ko'a. we we can take out the means koa means coral or coral head um director molitao the other day did say there were other types of koa like the one that we had visited on um kaho'olawe So we can just say often refers to particular fishing spots that are lined up with particular markers. Can that be a non-substantive change or do we have to make a motion? Okay. So I'll entertain a motion t

Okay. Motion made by Member Rollins-Fernandez, seconded by Member Sinensi. Discussion, Member Rollins-Fernandez.

So Director Molitao said there were koa'ua, but maybe not that particular one that we visited was not a koa'ua. It was Ahu.

So we didn't actually visit on Kaho'olawe. We visited Ahu, different.

Any further discussion on the motion on the floor? Seeing none, all those in favor, raise your hand and say aye.

And then continuing on to page 10, that motion to remove the parentheses, English still extends. All those words are pretty much in the glossary or should be. Then there's a famous mo'olelo underneath. on page 11, in the finishing portion of the mo'olelo. It talks about brothers of Kikau gathered and were seen tearing down the pāpohaku. Just wanted to clarify, usually that would mean a rock wall, but it says sea wall here. Or in the glossary it says stone wall, but... That was just a typo and we're going to remove the English anyway. Stonewall is the correct one, right? So that's already addre

I think it's one of those like Haiku Pa'ia people there refer it to the North Shore, La Perouse is like, I guess he was a foreign explorer.

I don't have a problem with motion on that. Did you wanna just delete the part also known as La Peruspe or everything about that?

Okay, it's been moved by Member Rollins-Fernandez to remove La Perouse Bay, also known today as La Perouse Bay. And on page 11, to remove La Perouse Bay in parentheses. Is there a second? Seconded by Member Johnson. Any further discussion? I think the discussion was about not perpetuating the... Member Lee? Oh, you're muted. We can't hear you.

I have a hard time supporting that because La Perouse is like... Kind of a fixture in South Maui. So I'll just, I'll hold no.

Which is also a fixture? Oh, I think it's more commonly known as Little Beach. Some members are not using their microphones and referring to Small Beach. Okay, so we'll do a roll call on the removal of reference to La Perouse Bay for Keone OEO Bay. Member Rollins-Fernandez, you have further discussion?

Sure, and I think the use of Keone Oeo as the bay provides its own description of what it is that you should find there, Oeo and One.

Okay, so this is a roll call vote, staff.

I remember cook. We're voting on removing reference to for killing. Um, and it's a roll call.

I didn't hear it all, but I'm in agreement with the majority.

Thank you. I do have one amendment to propose on page 13 in the fourth paragraph. Currently, I think it reads, In 1821, the first Christian missionaries arrived on Maui. In 1831, the Lahaina Luna Seminary was founded by the American Board of Missions in Lahaina to educate young, and it would be Kanaka'oiwi men. And then I would move to add in Western education period. So as not to imply that Kanaka'o'iwi men were uneducated prior to Western contact. So I'll entertain a motion to add, to alter, to educate young Kanaka'o'iwi men, to say, to educate young Kanaka'o'iwi men in Western education per

I think Bahingaluna was mostly where men, like David Malo was one of the first ones. I don't know that it was opened up to women until later on.

My recollection was they sent their kids to either back to the continent or separate. But Ms. Komkowicz, do you know the truth? Because that's just my thing.

It's fine. Any further discussion before the vote? All those in favor, raise your hand and say aye.

Thank you. Moving on to page 14. Among scholars, it's currently felt that you can just call it the Mahele instead of the Great Mahele, apparently. So I will entertain a motion to replace all references of the Great Mahele with just the Mahele. Moved by Member Sinensi, seconded by Member Johnson. This is just a trend among scholars. So, going with the times, I guess. Any further discussion? All those in favor, raise your hand and say aye.

specifically say that like children of chiefs so i'm i'm assuming yeah i don't know that the missionaries intermarried with the chiefs back in 1831 i think that was more um i guess relatively recent than 1831 um In the first paragraph on page 15, narratives regarding the fairness of the Mahele and subsequent Kuleana Act have been challenged in recent scholarly works, such as the Empirical Rights Back by Donovan Pereza, who has a Master's of Arts, and Namako Kamana by Kamana Beamer, who has a PhD. I'm not sure if we want to do anything with that information that was just provided to us. narrati

Chair. Member Cook. Was this in the West Maui Community Plan also?

We did, I can't remember exactly, but we did rework the Section 1.3 quite extensively, I think. i forget um just i'm just trying to stay consistent yeah thanks we we did rework i worked on it um okay remember rollins fernandez worked with um miss keller what was annalise i i worked on it with um and uh yeah it was originally i think um passed to Ms. Keller because she was the historical person, but it was historical in the sense of like building structure and style. And so potentially she wasn't the best suited person to write that because her expertise was in historical building styles, I thi

Yeah. Or she volunteered herself. So yeah, we did change the introduction section substantially, like totally reworded it. Member Sinensi.

Okay, and then if we can just have staff verify for us that we're not deleting a section that was referred to as Member Johnson had said, or making the proper adjustments by deleting. There's a motion to delete the second paragraph on page 15 and insert Section one, overthrow of the Hawaiian Kingdom, 1893, and two, creation of the County of Maui and the County Act of 1905 there. And then we can continue on with the plantation and ranching section. Moved by Member Sinensi, is there a second? Member Johnson, any discussion? All those in favor, raise your hand and say aye.

Okay. Moving on to page 16. Just a question in the third to last paragraph on page 16, last sentence. This period saw the emergence of the Paniolo. I think we can remove the Hawaiian cowboy as Paniolo should be included in the glossary and foreshadow the destructive capabilities of livestock. Is capabilities the right word that you folks meant, Ms. Komkowicz?

Oh, okay. Would that be substantive or non substantive? Okay, motion will be safe. I'll entertain a motion on page 16 of the book to strike capabilities and add in effects instead. Moved by Member Sinanci, seconded by Member Johnson, and this is just to make it make better sense. All those in favour, raise your hand and say aye.

I think in the next paragraph, exchanging utilized for used is non-substantive. Yeah, okay. And then on page 17, should we make one motion to... Replace all the references to region with area, Ms. Komkowicz. We have Ulupuk. In 1922, the property was sold to Frank Baldwin, who changed the name from Rose Ranch to Ulupalakua Ranch to pay homage to the historic region. Or in the second to last paragraph, modern historian Kepa Malley describes how the native plants of the region relied on Kehau.

Okay, so we're okay with region there. How about on page 18? where in the last sentence of the first paragraph it says, burial sites or sheep and goats destroyed many ancient Hawaiian heiau and ilina in the region as well as on Kaho'olawe. Should that be area or region in that case?

Okay, cool. And then, um, I was thinking that modern Maui would be under that heading. We can, um, Include section 3 of the granite kiss 46 transmittal about the Hawaii, administer admission act of 1959, another major governmental transition affecting South. Um. if that's the correct place. The military influence portion occurs prior to the Admissions Act, so we could also potentially insert Part 3, the Hawaii Admission Act, before the Kihei 701 Plan and Tourism Act. or before the military portion of it. The military portion talks a lot about Kaho'olawe also, as well as Ma'alaya Harbor to Make

The two paragraphs at the top of page 19 Aren't essential to the plan.

The earlier 1, not on page 19. yes. Okay, so, um, I'm okay with striking the 2 1st paragraphs on page 19. I guess the question is if and where we want to add section 3 of the transmittal. Um. after the military influence. So it would be modern Maui, military influence, the first two paragraphs as military influence relates to Ma'alaya Harbor and Makena Landing, then adding section three and striking the first two paragraphs on page 19. How do members feel about that? Good, okay. So I will entertain a motion on page 19 to strike the first two paragraphs and instead insert part three, page five

Thank you. Then as we go on to Kihei 701 Plan and Tourism, it's a little confusing. It says in 1970, the county prepared the Kihei Civic Development Plan. known as Kihei 701 Plan. And then... On page 21, at the first sentence, it calls it the Kihei 701 Civic Development Plan. And so I think we're just going for some sort of consistency here. It's first referred to as Kihei Civic Development Plan. Then it's referred to as Kihei 701 Plan. Then on page 21, it's referred to as the Kihei 701 Civic Development Plan. And so can we just pick one and go with it?

Yeah. Okay, so then... then on page 21 we would refer to it as the Kihei 701 plan instead of Kihei 701 civic development plan.

Can that be non-substantive? Great. Okay. And then the next sentence on page 19 To be clear, we're referring to the Kihei 701 plan and not this or a previous version of a South Maui or Kihei Makena community plan. So... Would it be okay to change the period after the first sentence to like a... semicolon to emphasize that we're still talking about the key a seven one plan rather than a version of the community plan. Or would it make the sentence too long?

Just in other places when we refer to the plan, we're talking about this plan, the community plan. And here when we're just calling it the plan, we're not talking about the community plan, we're talking about the 701 plan. But if members think it's easy enough to distinguish because it talks about Section 701 of the Housing Act of 1954. We can move on. That was just something I had in my notes.

would probably be the best way to say that the kihei 701 plan just to clarify okay great part of the kihei 701 plan was funded non-substantive yeah okay great moving on um i will entertain a motion to strike the design provided minimal transportation and drainage infrastructure to support the housing and commercial services and put the designs effect are still felt today. Um, and to strike at this time to put during this period time period, um, That was a recommendation on style, but I'm not sure, because the information here about the plan providing minimal transportation and drainage infrast

Oh, I see. So that can be non-substantive change. Because that was clearly an error. And then during this time period can be non-substantive because that's just stylistic. Um, on page 21, I'll move to strike the word exemplary in the second paragraph, last page, I mean, last sentence. Moved by Member Johnson, seconded by Member Sinensi. We can just call it sustainability models. I don't know that it was exemplary. All those in favor, raise your hand and say aye.

Let's see. Under the heading South Maui today was where I thought of inserting the conclusion of the transmittal from OEB resources. and then continuing on maybe substituting the first paragraph or including it before the first paragraph, the two paragraphs on page six under the heading conclusion on transmittal number 46. Any preference if we should delete that first paragraph and substitute the two conclusion paragraphs or leave that paragraph and include the two conclusion paragraphs? Open to delete. Okay. Anyone else?

So we're considering on page 21 under the header South Maui Today, deleting that first paragraph and adding the two paragraphs under conclusion on page six of the Granite Case 46, or keeping it and adding the two paragraphs under conclusion. So we could either... keep the first paragraph under South Maui today and add the first two paragraphs of the conclusion or the two paragraphs of the conclusion above it or just delete what's existing the first paragraph. And Member Sinensi proposed deleting it and replacing with the two paragraphs under conclusion. Or we could also move that first paragra

Thank you, Chair. I'm okay with this section of South Maui today and including the conclusion that's on Granicus 46 as the conclusion to it all. And kind of, well, finding a blend, because I appreciate in the conclusion on 46, Granicus 46, kind of tying back the very beginning of where we are today and kind of incorporating you know, like how it impacts today, but kind of this language too, from the CPAC and South Maui today, and then having its own conclusion and finding a way to end it. The only question I have is, and I'm okay to keep it in, But when I think about Kihei, maybe only Makena a

And then this one I think would be area. So South Maui area has exceptional community, iconic coastline, world class beaches and durable environments. I don't know if we need to specify dark skies in sub areas five and six. Can I comment?

Okay. Yeah, we can keep it. I guess, though, if we allow for the growth that is envisioned there, will that Pe'ilani Promenade lookout remain?

Alrighty then. Okay. How do members feel about inserting the conclusion under South Maui today the two paragraphs of conclusion, then going to the South Maui Community Plan area in 2019 paragraph, and then moving that first paragraph after the 2019 paragraph. and then continuing on with the last paragraph. So under South Maui today, we'll put the first two paragraphs, the two conclusion paragraphs from Granicus, then go to the South Maui Community Plan area, the second paragraph in the book, the third paragraph, then the first paragraph, and then the fourth paragraph to close it all up. So I'l

we're gonna move the first paragraph in the book to right after that 2019. So it would go two conclusion paragraphs, then in the book paragraph two, paragraph three, paragraph one, and then paragraph four in that order.

Okay, I forgot to mention, and if Member Sinensi and Member Uhuhajins are okay, this would include the action of changing region in this context to area. Is that correct, Ms. Komkowicz, correct usage? Can you direct me to where you're talking about? The first sentence under South Maui today, the South Maui area.

Okay, so all that whole would include changing region to area. Any further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor, raise your hand and say aye.

And then prior to our morning recess, we went over 24 through 29. I guess the only outstanding question I have, other than different non-substantive changes... Oh, sorry, two questions. One question, on page 28, if we want to change U.S. mainland to the U.S. continent. Someone wanna make a motion? Moved by Member Johnson, seconded by Member Uluhajans to strike mainland and insert continent on page 28 of the draft block. Member Rollins-Fernandez, discussion?

Including any place else that comes up in the booklet. And that is okay with our maker and our seconder. Friendly amendment, replace references to mainland to continent. Any further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favour, raise your hand and say aye.

Okay, that brings us to our lunch time. Department of OEB Resources is available 1 to 1.30, so wondering if members want to have a one-hour lunch and leave this meeting at 3 instead of our cut-off time at 3.30, or we can come back at 1.30 and jump right in with housing and meet with OEB Resources at another time. Any suggestions? One o'clock? Is everyone okay with one o'clock? And we'll adjourn today at three o'clock. I'll make that switcheroo deal with you guys.

One, two, three, four, five. We still have five members without you. So if the five of us come back, we'll be okay. All right. So let's go to lunch and come back at one o'clock and we can adjourn half an hour earlier because I'm taking half of your... half hour of your lunch. Meeting in recess till one o'clock.

It's 1.07 and will the DRIP Committee return to order? We have Director Molitao with us for up until 1.30. Aloha, Director Molitao. And we just have also received the transmittal, which is Granicus number 64, in which Director of OEV Resources, went through and found different streams and gulches than what were listed. And I guess in some of them, It looks pretty self-explanatory how it would be added into the table at the appropriate time, the gulches in the gulches one, the streams in the streams one. Some of them are repeated in subarea two, subarea three, or subarea three, subarea four. so

Avava. Or would it just be the Keava Kapu Avava part?

Okay, and even for like the stream, Northern Pai'ahu Kahawai, put that whole thing in under the stream section?

Okay, all right, so when the time comes, I think we understand how to incorporate this in. Members, do you have any further questions on this transmittal granicus number 64? No, okay.

Oh, yes, Member Cook. so where and how are we going to implement it well we didn't post to amend section three but when the time comes we can add these we're into the tables on the sub area tables um a stream under a stream and a gulch under the gulches um if it's the will of the body but they we had asked for research into sub area uh four five and six because there weren't too much but they did give us research on and all of them and uh The barrier six, they only were able to find actually one gulch. And I think they mentioned because of the more recent lava flow in that area that there may

So could we use using the names and the map? So is visualizing it?

Um, just putting the names, putting the names in the table, the sub area tables at the appropriate time. I just wasn't there on the dashes if he meant if they meant for us to include the entirety of it. So that was just my clarification on how to put it in. If if we should like, I wasn't sure if we would just enter kiawakupuawawa or kamaole-kiawakupuawawa.

I think this is great. Thank you for all the efforts and the information. So this is good documentation. Thank you.

Yes. And then I did want to circle back to a couple questions from this morning. Unfortunately, members of NNC had a other meeting, so maybe I'll ask my question first and he may be back by the time we get to his question. My question was here in page nine of the community plan and also the glossary. only specifically mentions ko'a in the terms of fishing and that they could also be places of spirituality and ritual. But in the definition in the glossary, for it it only says you used in ceremonies to make fish multiply but that um also when you had spoken to us previously you had mentioned it

So maybe they focused in on the fishing aspect of the koa because the rain aspect of the koa within the Honuaʻula is within a different community plan area because it's not,

So in this context, it almost, I guess, would be that since the rain koa is not in the South Maui Community Plan, why they're talking about koa in the context only of fishing, because that's what exists in the South Maui Community Plan area.

We had already deleted part of page nine so that it would read often refers to particular fishing spots that are lined up with particular markers on land. And then some were used as places to observe ocean and weather conditions. So we already kind of amended page nine. We can add, as you said, could also be places of spirituality and ritual on page 165. Would that cover what we need to cover to clarify?

Just what I had mentioned was deleted means coral or coral head and was deleted.

Mahalo. Mahalo, Chair. Thank you. And in our last five minutes with Director Molitao, on page seven, Member Sinensi had a... question about kapu in the second or I guess in the sentence in the first like paragraph where it seems to reference harvesting and access restrictions on food versus the definition on page 165, where it doesn't necessarily say the same thing as the kapu on page seven, and if we should broaden the definition on page 165. Or, Member Sinensi, does that about cover your concern on that kapu as like a research management tool?

Mahalo, Chair. Yeah, just taking out of the Hawaiian fishing traditions, there is a lot of or conservation, kapu as conservation when it speaks about fishing practices. So I was just wondering if the use, as member Paul said, the use of kapu in this context was suitable to the definition on page 165.

Director Molitau, as Appendix E is kind of back with you folks right now to add on the various other in that process, could you make sure our definitions of kapu and ko'a are worded in a way that encompasses our discussion today? And Member Sinensi, if you can give us your Sunshine Law disclosure.

Sorry here at my personal workspace. I'm here by myself.

Thank you. Member Rollins-Fernandez, did you have your hand up?

We trust them to come up with the verbiage better than we trust ourselves to come up with the verbiage. Remember Sinensi?

Oh, just making sure that the hula was in season. Yeah.

It's a month with an R, so I think we're good. But I don't know if that's traditional, but it didn't have any eggs, obviously. No females.

You said it is 1.30, and I believe Mr. Mitchell has joined us, so we're moving on. Thank you so much for your assistance and clarification.

Aloha. There we go. So we were wondering if you had any assistance for us on policies 2.218, .19, and .26, and those would be on page 37 and 38 of the draft plan. And there was, I guess, you know, a little confusion because one of them wants them to be near job centers to the extent practical. One of them requires them to be spread throughout the South Maui Community Plan sub areas. And one of them says about the residency preference. And... I think we just thought we'd leave it up to you as the policy expert on housing to assist us in making these be coherent with each other and the plan and

How about making 2.2.18 just say projects must include pedestrian-oriented design elements that create walkable and livable communities for all? striking the first sentence for 2.2.18 and leaving the second sentence?

And it conflicts with the next policy a little bit. Correct.

Yeah, I mean, I guess because you had said that as project proponents plan things out, they like them to be close to amenities. It's a selling point close to infrastructure. So I'm not sure that it needs to be spelled out as a policy if that's the tendency of developers to want to develop near existing infrastructure or jobs and things like that for the benefit of selling their developments. So, you know, if you're into design elements, sometimes they want to try and get out of it because it costs more. So I think that would be a good policy to keep. And we could strike the first sentence if if you're amenable to that.

Okay. Members, did you want to go ahead and vote on that right now? You guys feel comfortable? One, two, three, four, we have five members. Okay, so on page 37, oh, Mr. Weltman, go ahead.

Yes, and I feel like 2.2 point 19 when we work on that will we can wait and vote when we get all of them figured out to but 2.2 point 19. requires workforce housing units to be spread throughout the South Maui community plan sub areas. I would say that we don't really want workforce or any kind of housing units in sub area six, which is majority state conservation, open space and park. So maybe we'd say that. But, um, Any wordsmithing on 2.2.19, Director Mitchell? Would we say require affordable and workforce housing units to be spread throughout the South Maui community plans of areas one thr

and then adding the last sentence of 2218 um that would work too oh okay and and that would kind of address um mr weltman and the cpac's concern that they don't want to create ghettos where the affordable portion is because it's going to be spread for diverse communities um remember cook

Chair, I think where it says in all South Maui residential areas to the extent practical would exclude subsection 6 because it's principally conservation. There's not much places there to build. I mean, we could say them all or we could just acknowledge the fact that subsection 6 isn't really going to be developed.

Do you have a preference, Director Mitchell?

Okay. So stylistic preference. Um, and we can go with the residency area.

We, we like pliable member cook. Okay. Moving on to 2.2.26. Um, this is one I think Mr. Hopper had recommended we address within the code. Um, Director Mitchell, any comments for us on final language or deletion or other way forward?

So, um, would you be, would it be better? Like, um, we did just receive an email from the deputy managing director to be more broad. So it could be just encourage affordable housing, residency preference programs, period.

Okay. And then I want to be able to make sure we get your input on all the things. So I'll hold off on the actual vote of that. And if we can go to Goal 2.2, Action 2.19. And that is on page... I recall that you had told me your preferred language here.

So it would redevelop a feasibility study for the use and development of the county-owned parcel adjacent to the Kihei Police Station to include affordable housing, a passive park with emphasis on open space, and preservation of natural habitat.

And a passive park with emphasis on open space and preservation of natural habitat.

Include the preservation of the William. So, um. We have listed as the Department of Management as the lead agency to develop this feasibility study. Is it going to be management or are you doing the study of the parcel?

Okay. All right. Members, any further questions for Mr. Mitchell? Shall we go ahead and start making the amendments that are suggested? Yes, okay. On page 123, I'll entertain an amendment to action number 2.19 to say, develop a feasibility study for the use and development of the county-owned parcel adjacent to Kihei Police Station to include affordable housing, and a passive park with emphasis on open space, and preservation of natural habitat include the preservation of the willy-willy forest, avoiding damage to cultural resources, and minimizing grading because of geology. Motion made by Me

Could we add in there for the... emergency community center.

Oh, yeah. There was a study also about a fire station.

I don't think the fire station... Anyway, talking to the fire department, because it's so close to the Wailea station that they needed in North Kihei and then Ma'alaya. But utilizing that property for a Category 3, Category 5 emergency center that's multifunctional, that's what the... Wade from USDA was advocating. He's got it on Kauai, on DHHL property, other ones. So that seemed to be the most optimum place for it.

So like a multi-purpose facility that could double as a shelter?

Yeah, multi-purpose community center. Multi-purpose, keeping it as broad, maybe the director can help, keeping it as broad in description as possible. that it could be run by a nonprofit, but it would be government umbrella. So I think to get the USDA money, it can't go to a county, Molly, it has to go to a nonprofit.

Okay, so... Director Mitchell-Deet, would that amend the words to include affordable housing, a multipurpose facility, and a passive park with emphasis on open space and preservation of natural habitat?

Chair, I concur. My main, our focus in this process is that what we do now would not preclude that from happening. So as long as it's not precluding something, it doesn't have to be underlined and highlighted. It just needs to know that we discuss it and it would be an appropriate use. And it has to be scrutinized and evaluated and assessed. But I just don't want it to be...

So we're friendly amending that amendment to say, after Kihei Police Station, to say for several uses, including... Including, right. affordable housing, comma, a passive park with emphasis on open space and preservation of natural habitat, period, include the preservation and the rest of that sentence. So it's not exclusively affordable housing, it's not exclusively a passive park, but those are included in whatever other government facilities that would fit the feasibility study.

Staff, you got the amended friendly language? Okay, any further discussion from the members? We're not precluding other things. All those in favour, raise your hand and say aye.

Okay, going back to page 37. I'll entertain a motion to strike policy 2.2.18 and 2.2.19 to be replaced with require affordable and workforce housing units to be spread throughout the South Maui Community Plan sub areas one through five. To create diverse communities in all South Maui residential areas to the extent practicable, period, projects must include pedestrian-oriented design elements that create walkable and livable communities for all, period. Director Mitchell.

Oh, okay, sure. So strike require and put encourage affordable housing, affordable and workforce housing units to be spread throughout the South Maui community plan sub areas one through five to create diverse communities in all South Maui residential areas. to the extent practicable, projects must include pedestrian-oriented design elements that create walkable and livable communities for all. Motion made by Member Johnson, seconded by Member Cook. Any further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor, raise your hand and say aye.

Thank you. And then on page 38, I will entertain a motion to amend policy 2.2.26 to read encourage affordable housing residency preference programs to include as a priority current residents of South Maui or those employed in South Maui, in particular residents with generational ties to the area, period. So moved. Moved by Member Johnson, seconded by Member Sinensi. Any further discussion? Member Johnson.

Real quick, you know, we have Bill 40 enacted. It shows that is preference for length of time, but this is actually a bit more specific and I support this. Give those South Maui folks preference. Thank you, Chair.

Thank you. Any further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor, raise your hand and say aye.

Thank you, Director Mitchell, for 25 minutes of your time. We really appreciate it.

Oh, I thought I said that. Delete 2.2.18 and 1.9 and replace it with blah, blah, blah. Okay. Anybody want to say anything to Director Mitchell before he gets to his next thing? All right. Aloha. I did want to just share with the members. We did get a bunch of new documents that were uploaded into Granicus. Some of it is testimony and some of it is correspondence from other departments. And in correspondence number 60 from the Department of Management, generally speaking, we were advised to the extent practicable, and Deputy Wade didn't intend for us to rewrite the South Maui Community Plan, bu

Thank you, Chair. I agree with Member Rollins-Fernandez. I enjoy the specificity in this language as well. And I do think it goes beyond just development. Sometimes it's just negligent land uses that we have that we don't properly address. In the last few weeks, we did have fires at several spaces on Maui that we know to be fire prone, and we're not really doing the best at maintaining that. And those are county-owned parcels. And so I do appreciate, like, This reminding us as well that we have a duty to figure out the causes of fires and prevent them efficiently. I understand Deputy Director

Thank you, Chair. I hear Director Wade. I'm an advocate of the specificity If we look at it through the current lens, as far as, the departments to a great extent are siloed, the cross communication, the technology that we've implemented, the communication network that we have makes this very difficult. And so it's understandable, it's like, whoa, I don't know if we can do this, to make a commitment to do this. I really believe that utilizing the new technologies AI is used all the time, but basically cross-referencing and identifying data and being able to do queries and being able to do sear

We'll sit at the edge of our seats in anticipation.

Thank you. I think we can do this, but I think we have to be realistic that we're going to need to improve our system because the people are just going to be overburdened if we expect to do it the same way. Thank you, Chair.

Thank you. Um, and to add to the conversation, I said, um, you know, the administration's crack was right up until they gave it to us. And this is the form that we received it in. So, um, being that the next community plan area, Kahului, Wailuku or Central Maui, um, she kind of said, like, we'll be doing that differently. So, um, Central Maui folks will need to advocate for this level of specificity that they'd like because the trend is to go broader. And that was referred to in the charter. I think she did realize that the horse was out of the barn for South Maui and West Maui. And so we're n

Yeah, that's kind of what I had said as well. But truly it was maybe provided by two to three planners prior to Ms. Komkowicz.

And to the council's credit, I'd say that the council review of the community plan has gotten better as well.

I don't think we have to because Central Maui will be, well, maybe some people will have to.

Yeah. In your mind, yeah. Okay. I think this has been an extremely long process. And I'm a little different from you guys. I tend to be more flexible. I try to be more flexible because you can never anticipate what the future holds. So you don't want to put yourself in a box and then have to undo things. But I give you a lot of credit, Member Poulton, because this has been quite a feat. And it sounds like you memorized almost every page, which I would never do. I think those who I have to credit member Cook as well. You can tell that he knows his district very well. And that's very comforting

Thank you. So I would like to go over next steps as this is the last day of our marathon session. And we have, you know, by my calculations, we have four regularly scheduled meetings left for this committee, October 21st, November 18th, December 2nd, And, uh, December 16th, so, um. And Department of management did let me know that they wanted to do a. they wanted us to do a seven B presentation. So the way that it generally speaking works out December 2nd would be when we have all our items for referral to the next term. And then, so that being said, December 16th, we wouldn't take any action

You know, my adept committee on December 3rd may be very short. So if you want, you could have the afternoon.

Okay. December 3rd. We'll see if we need additional time, but I don't think we'll be taking action on the community plan on December 3rd. But if Mr. Nishita needs more time to do his 7B earlier, we could do that. So... my understanding is we will prepare a cd1 version with all the amendments that we've made to date for transmittal to the next council on december 2nd is that correct staff uh yes i believe that's correct okay so um we'll we'll unless something super time sensitive comes up, we'll be using our October 21st and our November 18th meeting to continue discussion of the community plan

Real quick, a lot of spinning plates, just to remind you that I spoke with Director Mike Naho, P.E., and he said he wants to testify in your November meeting about Cajolave in particular. So just... Oh, yeah. Okay. He'll come and maybe chat.

Yeah, yeah, so do you want to share with us? Because you know specifically what he wants to testify about. It doesn't hurt to get a foreshadowing.

He wants to advocate Kirk having that eight acres south of the Kihei boat ramp to become public quasi-public so that they can have a museum and a resiliency center there. And he has a white paper that he'll probably send his testimony to kind of Let everybody know their intentions.

So, on the 21st and the 18th, we can start making amendments to section 3 and also any revisits because we did assign some homework to planning resources to come back to us with some, um. revised language, additional glossary information and things like that. So I just want to be transparent on how we're moving forward. Even if we continue to take up all you guys' meeting dates and meet every day, I don't think we will make the charter required deadlines for first reading, second reading, public hearing in the district or what have you. And that being said, I'm ready for a weekday off as well.

Mr. Weldman, as well as Mr. Kanahele for all of their work on this. I expect no less when it comes to the Hana Community Plan, Chair.

You might be able to be a Hana CPAC or East Maui CPAC member by that time. Any... I don't have any more actions for us to take today because we're waiting on certain things, certain resources. I don't want to take action on revising stuff without the appropriate resources. Member Rollins-Fernandez.

Go ahead. He did send it this afternoon to OCS and OCS sent it to me. So of course we'll send it to whoever wants it. And if we, if we'll certainly send it to those guys as well.

Oh, that being said, could it be uploaded to this committee while we're currently in session?

Okay. Member Johnson, can you forward it to drip.committee at MauiCounty.us so then it becomes public to everyone? Of course. Do we need to stay in session for it? Okay. Member Johnson, email it to us. We'll take a 10-minute recess and then when we come back, they can upload it to Granicus and then we can call it a day. Charlie, are you talking to us?

I was just going to say that I have to go to another meeting.

So I'll see you all. Bye. If these five people can come back in 10 minutes, we'll upload it and then we'll call it a day. Have a good doctor's or whatever meeting you're having. Okay, we'll be back at 2.30, 2.30, recess. Well, the DRIP Committee returned from recess, slight change of plans. We've been having some technical difficulties in being able to upload the document. So our staff is going to email it to all the members right now while we're in open session, and then they will be available to upload it to Granite Kiss at a later time when the technical difficulties are ironed out. So that

Member Cook said, same, you've been great. Thank you, but not into his mic. So for the online folks. he really was speaking. Okay, and with that said, oh, shoot, I put away my notes, but members, if there's no objections, I'll defer this item. Oh, Yvette, did you already send it? Okay, we're good to get out then, yeah? We're good to go. Did members receive it?

Let me see if we received it. I have an email at 2.41. Please read it from the DRIP Committee.

Yeah, that's the one. Okay, we got it. We got it. We're good to go. Okay, so defer the item and this will conclude. Members, thank you very much. This will conclude today's DRIP Committee meeting. The time is now 2.42 and we will be adjourned at 2.42.