City Council - Regular Meeting

Good evening. I'd like to call the October 6th City Council regular meeting and work study session to order. City Clerk Ben Lane, will you please provide a roll call?

Thank you very much. This evening we have Scottsdale Police Officers, Shawlock, Savage, and Ortiz, as well as Scottsdale Firefighters, Logan Darling, and if anyone requires any assistance whatsoever from these public safety individuals, please let a member of our staff know. For the Pledge of Allegiance, I would like to ask Vice Mayor McCallan to lead us in that. All right, and for the invocation, Councilman Quasman will help us with this.

Thank you, Madam Mayor. Madam Mayor, tomorrow marks the third anniversary of the horrific October 7th attacks A day that is something that the Jewish people around the world never thought we'd ever, ever be able to see again, think we'd have to ever endure again. Something that is truly... seared into the minds and the hearts of every person who loves freedom in the West and cherishes family, justice, and righteousness. Today, I am so proud to call as a person who's doing the invocation a gentleman by the name of Yaniv Rafiazadeh. And Yaniv, please come to the podium. Yaniv is a... true what w

Thank you. Thanks for coming to see us tonight. All right. For the mayor's report, I've got a couple things to talk about. First, I just want to start by... sending condolences to the family of Bob Latieri, who passed away just this last week. And Bob was a member, he was actually my appointee on the Budget Review Commission. So condolences go out to Bob's family, and we wish them the best as they go through this difficult time. The second thing I want to talk briefly about is we, I think a lot of people know, we went, the Economic Development Department I joined them going to, and so did Coun

Why don't you come up to the front, yeah.

Next, we have a presentation by the Scottsdale Fire Department who will present on our very own Chief Tom Shannon will present on cancer surveillance initiatives for firefighters. I'd like to invite Chief Shannon down to the mic.

Thank you, Chief Shannon. Appreciate that.

And Vice Mayor McKellen would like to speak. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, Chief Shannon. Thank you also to the city manager and to HR for really investing in this. Our city's already been touched. Captain Corey Yule, like you said, passed away at age 42, was a 21-year veteran here in Scottsdale, left behind a wife and four children on our behalf. I believe your efforts moving forward should be supported fully because when we catch it early, then we have survivors and nobody's left behind, and that's the whole idea behind it. So thank you for all your work.

Councilwoman Whitehead. Yeah, thank you, Mayor. Thank you, Chief. As you know, and I think all of us, we're big supporters of adopting a policy that does require cancer screening for our entire fire department. But also you had mentioned expect a budget request in the future. This is something we need to address prior to the next budget cycle. So I will be looking for amending the current funding so that immediately January we already have the testing start, and also what you mentioned is about how cancer sometimes has a lag time, and so I'd like to see firefighters who have retired through fi

Thank you for the presentation Councilman Graham Mayor thank you Presentation was very good fire chief Just a couple quick questions. I noticed the average age a diagnosis is mid-30s and Current screening starts the whole body around mid for MRI around 35 years of age. Is that a good age? I mean, are we reaching members early enough? Or is there any thought about younger members?

One is terminal and three are in remission. Does the permanent policy cover those three or is it written for active members kind of on a go forward?

Well, very good. Um, and then my last question was, and thank you for sharing that. Um, I understand there's, uh, more than 400 members, uh, and it kind of, it's on a cycle that reaches about a third of them each year. And if someone's coming up on that mid-30s window, is there a way that they move up or in line or rather than waiting their turn. Have you guys contemplated that?

Thanks for answering my questions. Thank you.

Councilwoman Littlefield. Thank you, Mayor. I would just like to say for the record that I am in full support of my colleagues Solange Whitehead and Mary Ann McCullen on their statements. I think that people who put their lives on the line for us and run these kinds of risks day after day after day knowingly do it for us. We owe them And I think it's our duty and our responsibility to make sure that they get the best care possible. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Chief Shannon. And I'm sure I speak for everyone on this dais and all the city staff. Thank you for all of your service and for all of the brave men and women that serve in the fire department, especially not only the risks that you're exposed to in the context of your job, but the health risks that go along with that. So thank you for that. Thank you. All right, we're gonna turn back to the McDowell-Sonoran Conservancy who will present on the organization and its key principles, statistics and service areas. Presenting on this tonight will be Jenna Cole, Prese

Thank you so much. Councilwoman Whitehead would like to say a few words.

Well, just thank you. And also for anybody who hasn't seen the summer wildflowers out there, oh my gosh, get out there. But I just want to call out two preserve pioneers in the audience. We have Christine Kovach and we have Carla. Thank you for getting the ball rolling.

Thank you. Thank you both for being here. We appreciate it.

All right. As is always the case during tonight's meeting, the council may make a motion to recess into executive session if we need legal advice on any applicable item on the agenda. If so authorized by the council, that executive session would be held immediately and would not be open to the public. However, we would return to this discussion regular meeting thereafter. Moving on to meeting minute approvals, I would ask for a motion to approve special meeting minutes of September 8th, 2026, and regular meeting minutes of September 8th, 2026. So moved. Second. Please indicate your vote. Okay,

I'll second that. That seems reasonable.

All right. We have a motion and a second. Please indicate your vote to move these items. All right. That motion passes. So staff, if you can reassign those, that would be fantastic. Moving right along to our consent agenda items, I believe is our next course of business. It is indeed. We have consent agenda items 1 through 14. I'll note that item 7 was removed from the agenda on Friday, October 2nd. at the request of staff and unless any members of the council have any questions on any of the consent agenda items or request to move any of those off the consent agenda, I will entertain a motion

Okay, yeah. So one through six and eight through 14. So moved. Second.

Thank you. Yeah, you offered if any members had a question about any of the consent items. I just wanted to ask, I wanted to ask our city treasurer about item number 14, which pertains to I'm sorry, yeah, item 14. It just pertains to operating budget adjustments. If she'd be willing just to say a little more about the adjustments that we're voting on and anything, any other context that might be helpful for the City Council.

That's for the parking structure in the northeast quadrant, is that right? Okay, yeah, I figured there wasn't any net overall change. I was just kind of curious about some of those changes. So, well, thank you. That's a good explanation. Thank you, Mayor.

Of course, I don't see any other questions or comments, and I don't think we have any speakers on this, no. So let's go ahead and take a vote. All right, moving on to the regular agenda. Item number 15 is the City of Scottsdale 10-Year Public Art Plan. And for that, the presentation, we'll hear from Katie Bolares, Public Art Director, Program Director of Scottsdale Arts. And I see Kevin Burke is up there as well, so have at it.

Councilwoman Whitehead. Thank you, great presentation. I'm really excited about this. I think ultimately the value of a city or a community isn't what we build, it's how we maintain what we have. And certainly we've seen a lot of support for maintaining what we have from our constituents. So this is really important to me. I really like the idea of some of the maintenance having sources for the maintenance of our projects, and I have my own personal picks of what I think needs to be maintained next, or fixed back up. And I also, you mentioned that our public art is very visible, it is, but it'

Councilwoman Littlefield-Dudden. Councilman Quasman.

Thank you, Madam Mayor. I just want to just congratulate the process here. I'm somebody who was able to be in New York during the two weeks where Christo and Jean Claude did their gates, their beautiful saffron gates throughout Central Park. Parents are from Chicago, able to go and visit and see the bean quite often. understand when iconic art comes. The only question I had was where is the place for the next great, like the elephant migration that's going on and all the great traveling pieces of art that we make sure that we're on that list, that it's not just Miami, that it's not just the ot

Vice Mayor McKellen. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you for your presentation, Katie. I also wanted to mention that, and I fully support the 10-year plan, but one of the things, a little aside from your presentation, is our public art program also rescues art that become part of our permanent collection. Just look over here, you see the Palo Solari Bell. To purchase that is probably... There's not a price that can be made. It's one of the largest bells ever made, made here locally by artists in Paradise Valley. The weavings, all of these pieces of art that may start in one area can be saved, and I do

Mayor, thank you. That was a good presentation. A lot of collaboration went into that. Just a few questions for you. Yeah, I noticed we talked about the plan asks us to look at using part of the percent for art for restoration. So pieces we already own stay in good shape.

Yeah, that's what I was wondering is, you know, you're putting together a conservation list, and I was just curious, how far along are you on that?

Yeah, I mean, when we have our art, and it was kind of said that the maintenance of that art says a lot because when it looks weathered and kind of falling behind on maintenance, then it's kind of a bad reflection. So I am interested in that because deferred maintenance has been an issue. It's an issue for every municipality. It's something that this council I know really cares about. Something jumped out at me is the artist residencies at the McDowell-Sonoran Preserve. Can you say a little more about that?

So there's not going to be like residences, residencies?

It kind of sounds like people are going to start, you know, there's going to be occupants or abodes on the preserve. Okay, so we're just going to clear that up. I understand a working group would study whether the cultural improvements program should reach past Old Town residents. and the air park uh... and before any ordinance change would obviously come back to us uh... what do you who would sit on that group uh... and do the neighborhoods get a turn i mean how does that what would that look like before it came to city council you mean specifically with the art and private development program or the cultural improvements program yes we would begin by working with the city planning department i think to identify the developers in specific areas becau

That has been kind of one of those things as far as, you know, the options, because not all the big projects in those areas have sort of met, you know, it kind of becomes a check the box. And if you can get more flexibility, but really sort of leverage it in a way that can get the most impact for your community, I think that's definitely something that could be an improvement. So last question is, I noticed the plan would put a project core team of neighbors in place before an artist is chosen, with one of them on the selection panel. And it seems to me like a fair way for the people who live

You don't call it a core, I mean, that's what the plan calls it, a project core team. What do you call it now?

Okay. Well, very good. Thank you for the presentation. Thank you. For all your work.

Thank you. Thanks, Katie. So I recently joined the board of Scottsdale Arts, thrilled to be part of that process. and during my first board meeting, the same presentation was presented, and so I had a sneak preview, if you will, and one of the things that struck me that I think we could really improve upon At least from the city's perspective is the garage at Brown and Second Street I mean everybody probably in the city knows I was opposed to that garage, but if we were going to do that garage I thought having a significant and an amazing design component to it would be a real plus and In fact

Thank you to both of you. Excellent presentation. I'm going to take the public speakers next. Can you leave this up, though? I personally want to look at that last slide that you had those eight bullet points eventually. We can go through those. All right. The first speaker, Daryl Delhouse. Is that Pastor Daryl? I hope I'm not blowing your cover.

Thank you, Pastor Darrell. I'm sorry I pronounced your name. Sorry. Stopped the show. So thank God she's okay. All right. John Seppes. Followed by Jim Hill, Jade Jacobs. And thank you, Pastor Darrell, for abiding by the two minutes. And I'd ask everyone else to do the same. Thank you.

Hey, John. John, I'm sorry. The two minutes has passed.

We do, and thank you for your heartfelt input. Thank you. Jim Hill, followed by Jay Jacobs, and then Jeff Gentry.

Thanks, Jim. Appreciate your input. Jay Jacobs, Jeff Gentry, and then Jason Alexander.

That says it all, really. So thank you very much. And thank you to Sheriff Sheridan for sending you along. Appreciate it. Jason Alexander, followed by Linda Rizzo, and then Michael Joyner.

Thank you, Jason. Next I see Linda Rizzo, hello, and then Michael Joyner and Kevin Watts.

Michael Joyner and Kevin Watson, Eric Fowler.

Kevin Watts, Eric Fowler, and then Eugene Rose. Eugene.

Thank you, Kevin. All right, Eric, then Jean, and then Lottie Kimball.

Thank you. Let's keep the applause. No applause, please. We're trying to get through this. Everyone has their two minutes. Could I give this to the council? Give it to our city clerk. Thanks so much, Eric. Thank you. All right, Jean Rose, Lottie Kimball, then Allen Rodbell, former police chief. I think I see him in the back.

Thank you. Lottie Kimball, Allen, and then Patty Badnock.

Thank you. Alan Rodville. Patty Badenoch and then Christopher Miller.

Thank you, Alan. Patty Badenoch, Christopher Miller, and then Mark Yule.

Thank you very much. Christopher Miller. And then Mark Yule and Felipe Prius.

Thank you. Okay, that Mark Yule, Felipe Prius, and Jason Dragon, Dragon, Dragon.

Thank you so much. Felipe, then Jason, and then Vincent Law.

We appreciate it. Jason Dragon, Vincent Law, and Christine Burke.

Thank you so much. Vincent, Christine, then Alex Hartwell.

Thank you so much. All right, Christine, Alex, and then Ken Ellsworth. Good evening.

Thank you, Christine. Alex, then Ken, then Bradley Epton. I do not see Alex, so let's go to Ken. Do I see Ken? No. Bradley Epton? Andrew Costello? Reuben White? Oh, there you go. Andrew Costello. All right.

Thank you very much. All right, and our last speaker is Ruben White.

Thank you. All right, that concludes public comment on this item. So I will invite you gentlemen back up to address any questions. Councilwoman Whitehead. Thank you.

Okay, I just first of all want to thank the mayor and my colleagues for having this meeting because in Scottsdale, different issues bring us together as a community and this was one of them. I think that like most of you, I had a visceral reaction to the abuses that we read about suddenly, and really the loss of trust, as one of our speakers said, to a vendor that didn't uphold the commitment they made to us or to our society. So it's been really fascinating to have this discussion. I can tell you that behind the scenes, our police department has recognized the problem and has been working on

Do you want to repeat it, Vice Mayor McKellen, so we all know what we're talking about? Ditto.

That would be ditto. I actually have a question, if that's all right. My question, thank you, Assistant Chiefs Watson and Campbell. I appreciate you pinch hitting. You did a fabulous job. You truly did. Chief LeDuc, I'm sure, is watching, so they did a good job. My question is, and what I'd like to see in there as part of this consider, just this is for you to think about when writing these, is what happens When that other agency that signed an agreement with us, one of their employees goes astray. Do we cut that relationship? Suppose it's the city of Phoenix. Do we cut that? Because they're a

Thank you, Madam Mayor. Council Member Whitehead, can you repeat the federal sharing aspect? And here's why I might offer an amendment. I don't want to be in a situation where there is a 9-11 situation or an emergency we need to share information if it's emergent and I think that the police officers can say this is not that wouldn't be an ongoing investigation that would be that would be a situation where there is an ongoing investigation will have warrants and subpoenas an emergent situation is a terrorist attack that needs to have that need that or a an imminent threat that needs to have som

So I believe that my motion does cover that, but perhaps I'll turn to our city attorney to answer the, I can read, I'll read it again for everybody, but then I would like you to answer that question, but certainly.

Well, I think. It's added explicitly, it's fine.

Okay. Yeah, why don't we have a copy? Yeah.

Well, because we have open meeting laws and she couldn't have shared that.

Okay, so I'm going to go ahead and read that again real quick. Sorry, Mayor. The federal access include in the proposed ordinance policy or both a provision that prohibits federal government access to the city's ALPR technology and data, except to the extent required by law, such as pursuant to a validly issued subpoena and warrant. Can you address that concern and whether we need to amend this?

then I would like to make an amendment to the motion that, and number seven stating explicitly that, all right, that's not number seven. to include in the proposed ordinance, policy, or both the provision prohibiting federal government access to the city's ALPR technology and data, except to the extent required by law, such as pursuant to a validly issued subpoena, warrant, or exigent circumstance, including but not limited to terrorist investigations or any other emergency investigation.

So I will accept that friendly amendment. The public needs to understand that this is the beginning of the discussion, not the end.

Right. Madam Mayor, can I just ask one more thing? Sure. So there is just an aspect here. I think you're seeing large-scale agreement for the principals right here among the council, but there is just a lot of... information packed into all the motions that were just made. And it looks like some people, because of open meeting law, were given information beforehand and other members haven't been able to get that information just on paper so that we could see it. Do we want to, I mean, to a point of like, I know we've been here a long time. I'm just throwing this out there. I'm spitballing here

I would oppose that because it's not going to take five minutes. That would take a very long time to go through all that material. If I may just suggest, I understand the spirit of where you're coming from. If I may just suggest, so long as the key components, you know, comport with your agreement, we can then pitch it to the city attorney who brings it back for approval at the October 20th meeting for a final approval. and circulates a draft. I think that would be way more. Yeah, let's do that, because that was too much of a digress.

Out of interest, do we have to go through a full debate over the final crafting of it?

Sorry, excuse me, Councilman Klausman, I didn't mean to interrupt you. No, because if the city attorney circulates it, we will all have the opportunity to not only have digested it, but have consulted with... our city attorney at the same time. And then we can tweak it, not a whole presentation.

Louise, I would oppose that, because this is a package. She's obviously done a lot of work, and if everyone approves it, it would take five minutes from the dais, so I don't see the issue with that.

The ordinance that's based on the motion. Draft ordinance.

Okay, let's keep going. So I thought I saw Councilman Graham, but Councilwoman Dabowskis.

Councilman Whitehead, may I see a copy of the document? Thank you.

Uh. I requested to speak. And I was just going to ask Councilmember Whitehead to repeat her motion, but we are now going far beyond that, and so I think. I'm I'm siding with the majority sentiment that I'm sensing, so thank you.

Vice Mayor McHale. Oh, you already spoke, so hold on. You did speak, right, Vice Mayor? Okay. Councilwoman Littlefield.

Thank you, Mayor. Could copies be made of this motion so that we can all have a copy and read it? Because I have never seen this motion, and I wouldn't know what I was voting on. So I would appreciate having a copy made. Sure. Thank you.

I can't make it right here, but we can find someone. Terrence, you want to make some copies? No, I would like to ask some questions. Launch. Thanks, Councilwoman Whitehead. All right, so I have a bunch of questions, and I think it's going to play into maybe some additions to that. First of all, there are two issues here. I agree with everything Jean Rose said, by the way. There are two issues here that are distinct and, you know, really un... unrelated, the constitutional issue, and I appreciate the cases you cited. However, this is an unanswered question, this extreme advanced technology, and

Is that the same thing as the third party independent audit?

Okay, I have a couple more questions here. You mentioned the hot list and you mentioned MBD matters. how do they qualify for the hot list? What does that mean? Can you give us examples?

So for me, the hot list or the criteria for looking at the tracking, right, should be only in the most extreme crimes. I think kidnapping, you know, a violent crime that is known to us, an Amber Alert or a Silver Alert like you talked about where someone's life is at risk. I think we have to have a very tight list of what constitutes a basis, a good faith basis to be looking at this. And I didn't hear that tonight, so I really want to see a very, very strict list of how we're doing this with no gray area. In addition, there's a couple other things here that I want to talk about. I would not su

Okay, and then getting back to the audit, I would support a 30-day rotating, you know, every 30 days an internal audit. However, using AI, I think, is a good, and also limiting the user population. And then I would, I really like to see more frequent than annual reviews, because I think this is so important. I would like to see the first audit done in the next 90 days in terms of the initial audit from our city auditor with recommendations for third-party independent auditors that are highly versed in this technology. And so that's a lot of changes to that, but I do think strengthening it, str

has more safeguards than what we've already got i think is really important so would you agree to those amendments yeah so my motion was to get the ball rolling i really liked what my colleagues had to say uh vice mayor mccowan and definitely i agree with pretty much everything the mayor said again we're not the experts but we are giving some direction on what we'd like to see and we're moving pretty quickly this is not this is a fast-moving train we want We want it fixed. We want to protect our privacy. We want to protect our public.

Yeah, we want to do it right, as Councilwoman Littlefield said. And depending on what comes out of the audit, hopefully you're right, there are no anomalies. I have to find that hard to believe, no offense, that in all this time, a year and a half, no, sorry, since 2023 that we've been using this, I really find it hard to believe there has been not one anomaly. That would be surprising, even if it was a mistake. But having an independent third party do this would be important to find out really what this looks like. I think for you guys too. All right, I am going to call on Councilman Graham.

Mayor, thank you. So just for clarity here, Councilmember Whitehead, was this your motion here, the paper that was handed out to the rest of the dais?

You know, I didn't look at what he handed. I assume it was my motion. You know, I just want to mention that while we cannot share... Oh, sorry. Okay. Well, I would just like to say... Well, I just want to say the motion was based...

I've got a few things to say, but... That's fine.

Can I just finish? The motion's just based on what the police had presented to us. So it's based on the public document we all received, but we can't share within... So go ahead, Councilman Graham, thank you for allowing me to explain.

Yeah, so I think your motion wasn't to, your motion was not to approve an ordinance, it was to direct them to craft the ordinance, right? Okay. And that was for what date again? Okay.

For December. Well I'm just asking, I'm just trying to get a handle on what's going on here because I've heard, your microphone's not on and I can't hear you.

To that point, what is December 1 versus what is October 20th? Right, December 1 was to get the actual, was to get actual ordinances going. The only one for October 20th was only supposed to, was basically to get this on paper, which we all have now, which is the original, can we just take five minutes and get this on paper, but now we all have it on paper. So December 1 is still, is still what was the recommended, December 1st is still the recommended by both the police officers and the city to try to get this done right. And I think that with all due respect, we could add things to it and we

That's what I want, but That's your birthday? Well, there you go.

I'm so confused. Madam Mayor, can we not just do, let's do this as amended. We have it on, we have it hit, and then we just, and you have an amendment package to it, and whenever you want to put the amendment package forward, we'll just put an amendment package on this, but we have this. Why is that ridiculous? We do that all the time with...

Let's just... That's not necessary. She just accepted the amendment.

But I don't even know what... You said 15 things. I don't know what you said.

Well, that's why we're bringing the ordinance back and everyone will receive a copy of it before it gets to a vote.

We can't vote on something we don't know what we're voting on.

Right. We're giving them direction to prepare the ordinance for review and approval. It's pretty...

I would support the ordinance as amended already with just the emergency aspect of it. And then I would gladly support a mayor's amendment package to clarify this.

Why is that necessary? She just accepted it. The second just accepted my amendments.

Can the second name four out of the amendments?

I can go back for them, Adam, if it's necessary. I think it is necessary. Okay. I do.

So you do understand we're not voting on the ordinance tonight?

Madam Mayor, we could vote on this tonight. We now have it in writing. What I'm saying is that the original statement that we need to push that for a couple weeks is no longer necessary because we have this in writing now.

So let me go back through them again then, since the first accepted it and the second accepted it. Let's go back through them. Hey, Ben, did you take the notes? Do you want to go back through them?

having a much smaller pool of people authorized to use the technology, I think that was in your motion, having a second set of human approval or eyes on the search or on the access to the technology, right?

two people have to approve, a second person has to approve. You can't unilaterally access it without the approval of another designated authorized user. Which makes sense, they're all on B, that doesn't seem to be a stretch. Does it already happen? No, I don't think that's.

To me, it seems akin to a second signer on a checking account. Exactly.

Okay, thank you. 30-day retention policy. That was the other one.

You have to get state approval to reduce your retention policy?

Well, why do we retain for 185 days, but Peoria retains for 30?

um so whether peoria or other cities or have petitioned the state for a different schedule a custom schedule that's possible or they are not aware of that requirement okay i would like to see an audit on this current uh use historical use within 90 days can you do that

I thought you said you don't want the auditor doing the audit.

The initial audit, and then I would like her to do a recommendation for a third party, or at least a recommendation for if that's the best idea moving forward. All right, and I think that's it. Go ahead, Leigh.

Well, you decide, or you make that recommendation, so we can trust you to do that. I just don't think it's the city auditor, but you're right. You guys bring in experts if it's something technical, so that makes sense. You would be doing what I'm trying to accomplish.

Good? Is that okay? Second? yeah i'll just say that um my motion includes an ordinance and many other items so a lot of these items won't fall into the ordinance but and i also just want to add uh council or vice mayor mcallon's uh recommendation that we understand how we address violations that are outside our jurisdiction even if we have that agreement with that jurisdiction thanks councilman graham

Councilmember Whitehead, you said violations outside our jurisdiction. Can you clarify that?

Yeah, so it was actually Vice Mayor McGowan's concern that was raised. We will have agreements with jurisdictions that they have the same safeguards that we have prior to those jurisdictions having our LPR data. But the Vice Mayor asked, what if we find that one of the officers or someone in that jurisdiction has violated it, what is the consequence? How do we address that? So I know that that's a good thing for...

So the motion that I read into the record was December 1. I'm flexible based on what staff can accommodate and what my majority council wants to do.

All right. Councilman Klausman, are you? Oh, I forgot. Councilman Graham still has got the floor.

I just want to make sure that because it you know, obviously, the program as it as it stands is going to be scrapped. And we're gonna, you know, we're doing a lot of reforms. And are we getting are we incorporating because I'd like a lot of what Mayor Browse keys, you know, changes, are we going to be those are incorporated in kind of what we're doing here? Is that a fair statement? My other question, just my colleagues to make sure just we've considered this, but The, have we, do we feel comfortable about who owns the data as far as this, what we're, I know that we own it, but I mean as far a

I just, the incentive for the vendors to keep a copy of the data is just so enormous, what they could do with it and how they could commodify it or commoditize it. And I think just really, I think that's safeguard. I think we're kind of talking about that. The, you know, one thing that I think about is maybe we have this, but an audit log that can't be edited. Maybe that's kind of part of what we're talking about and because you can go in there and you can say I did this and then you can go back and change an audit. And so I think a non-editable audit log would be a very important safeguard. I

Yeah, okay. And I want to make sure some of that is in there. Also, maybe the last thing is, are we comfortable with who we're sharing this with? Because it's like we own the data, but then we have people that use it. We have AI or whatever it is, and then you... or it also gets shared with other entities. And so closing the sharing list, I just want to make sure that's sort of part of what we're doing here too. So, and I can say more about that if you want more clarity, but it's name the agencies that we may share with, limit them to Arizona or to shortlist for council once. So I think, and I

I wanted to ask a question about the provision in here not to fund flock safety and what that would do to the budget. Because if we intend to bring another vendor back, we would budget for the new vendor, we would un-budget for flock. How would the budgeting work on that? I just want to make sure we're not creating a workflow problem later down the road.

And then we would have, presumably during the budgeting period, which we will soon be entering, a line item for an alternate vendor. Is that how you would do it?

Thank you. I just want to get some clarity on the... amendment that talked or the the aspect that talked about different agencies having different standards than we did and so let's say you had the city of phoenix that had a different relationship with the federal government that our flock Framework has with the federal government. Does that mean because they have a different framework the federal government? Therefore we can't communicate or coordinate with Phoenix now and their flock which we would normally do right now Mayor and members of the council.

Okay, we do it that way. Okay. Okay, so it's just a, I just want to make sure it's a smart approach as opposed to throwing babies out with bathwater.

Councilwoman Whitehead. Okay, something Councilman Graham said that I want to bring to your attention. I think this is done with, for instance, the body cams that the vendor, the data's encrypted, so the vendor does not even have access to the data. And I know when I met with the different police groups that that was going to be a requirement. So that way we remove the aspect of trust. We simply require that the data be encrypted so the federal government would have to come or another party would have to come to us, the owner of the data. Thank you.

All right. It looks like we're done with the questions and comments. And with that, I really appreciate your presentation tonight. Oh, yeah, the motion is seconded. I guess we should vote after all that.

Are you kidding? You're kidding. She's being funny.

All right. City Clerk, you just spoke, so let's take a vote on the language here. All right. Okay, that concludes the regular agenda. We do have non-agenda comments. I don't know if anyone's still here for that. Let me see. I know Jason Alexander looked like he left. Oh, you're here. There we go. Carla is here. And Mark Runs is here.

Thank you, and sorry to hear that, Carla. Next, Jason Alexander.

Councilman, Councilwoman Littlefield, do you want to say something?

Councilman Littlefield? Something like, you know, what we like. Okay, let's move on.

Point of order, is this electioneering, looking at a campaign finance report of a current candidate?

Excuse me, Councilwoman Dabaskis, can you direct your point of order appropriately?

Sure, Madam Mayor, is this a point of order? Is this, it seems to be referring to a current council candidate, so it seems to be perhaps electioneering.

If you could stay away from electioneering, that's the policy.

Thank you, and Councilwoman, Councilman Graham, let's wait till after. Do you want to speak now about that? I'll say something real quick.

That's OK. Sure. I was referred to, so I'll make a quick remark. And I just want to defend Councilwoman Kathy Littlefield and her service. Like the three times the most popular, most the person, nobody has gotten more elect votes in Scottsdale's history. Her service has been memorable. Kathy Littlefield sets the standard for defending residents' quality of life, watching their tax dollars, genuinely caring for them.

Councilman Graham, while I agree with you about our quality care, if you've been attacked is what you're supposed to be responding to.

Thank you, Mayor. And I will say that Councilmember Littlefield deserves our respect because her service has been memorable. Thank you.

All right, Mark Grants, you could close out this delightful, long meeting. It was a good meeting. Stick the landing. That's pretty funny.

All right, thanks for sticking around. All right. We don't have anything else tonight. Anyone else want to bring up a new project or issue? Okay. Well, good thing you voted against those work study items. Staying on the thing.

Mayor, I wanted to move to make sure that we had a clear schedule last time.

All right. Move to adjourn. Oh, no. I had a comment. Oh, you do? Okay. Sorry. Councilman Graham.

Thank you, Mayor. I just wanted to invite people to the Eldorado. I wasn't caught off guard. I thought we were going to switch over. But there's the Eldorado Park Improvements Community Meeting, 5.30 p.m. tomorrow at Eldorado Park Community Center near Miller and Oak. And I hope to see you there.

Vice Mayor McKellen. Thank you, Mayor. I do want to applaud our city's special events staff through the Economic Development Department. They did a great job assisting the farmer's market, and I want to thank my colleagues, the mayor and Swange, for working with... all the three of us working with the farmers market people to make that move, that transition. It was fabulous. For those of you who didn't attend, be there next Saturday. Rave reviews online, in person. Huge success. All right.

I think that concludes our evening. Thanks so much. Adjourned.