City Council - Regular Meeting

I would like to request the presence of my fellow colleagues on the dais, please. And I now call the September 22nd, 2026 City Council regular meeting and work study session to order. City Clerk Ben Lane, may I please have a roll call?

Thank you. This evening we have Scottsdale Police Sergeant Clore and Officer Sholak and Ortiz, as well as Scottsdale firefighters James Yoner and Jackson Booth. If anyone requires their assistance, please let a member of our staff know. And for the Pledge of Allegiance, I would like to call upon Councilwoman Whitehead.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Very well done. Thank you. For the invocation, Councilwoman McKellen has the stage.

Thank you, Mayor. It is my distinct pleasure to introduce to you Pastor Tina Gilbreth. And I'm smiling because Tina is a friend of mine. We have been friends for over three decades. Her and her husband have been residents of Scottsdale the last 37 years. Todd, her husband, is a lifelong and third-generation Scottsdalian. Tina has volunteered for decades for Valley Presbyterian Church, where she is the newest associate pastor. And... They raised their four children here in Scottsdale. Her husband coached my children. She taught at Mojave Middle School. Also, I know so much about this family. I'

Thank you. For the mayor's report, I am pleased to issue a proclamation recognizing Constitution Week here in Scottsdale, which is observed September 17th through the 23rd. This annual observance commemorates the 239th anniversary of the signing of the United States Constitution and encourages all Americans to reflect on the freedoms and principles that continue to guide our great country. It is my pleasure to issue this proclamation in support of the Daughters of the American Revolution, whose ongoing efforts help educate communities about the Constitution and the importance of civic engageme

All right. Next we have the Scottsdale Environmental Advisory Commission will present its annual awards. With that, I will turn it over to Adam Yaron. You're not Adam. Is Adam? Sorry. There's Adam. Okay. To talk to us a little bit more about that. Oh, and Alexandra. You're not Alexandra. Thank you. Greg.

And Councilwoman Whitehead has a comment or two.

You know, I do want to congratulate Stardust, but for the residents who don't know it, in 2022, we did update our building codes to do a lot of good things, but one was to require that when development happens in our city, 50% of the waste does get reused. So anyway, good job. Thank you for what you've done long before we passed our building codes.

Okay, moving right along, our next presentation will be from the Frank Lloyd Wright Foundation. Actually, I think Kevin Burke is doing this. And he will provide an overview of the foundation's current activities, initiatives, and programs at Taliesin West. And Kevin Burke, please take it away.

Thank you. Wonderful. Thank you for all that information, and thanks for being here. Councilwoman Dabaskis wants to say something.

Thank you, Joe. I just wanted to share my reflection on the time that we spent on the property. It is very inspiring to see the desert and to see Scottsdale through Frank Lloyd Wright's eyes and to walk through the hallways the way he used wind to Lower the temperatures, the way that he used the structure to create special environments. I just think it's really inspiring and it's interesting and it's just so takes us, even though it's a step away, it just takes us into another world. And so that otherworldly experience, I know you have 150,000 people a year, but I hope you have even more. And

Yeah. And so one of the things that you taught me is that we have two UNESCO World Heritage Sites in the state of Arizona. That's right. One of them is in Scottsdale.

All right. During tonight's meeting, the council may make a motion to recess into executive session in the event legal advice is needed on any applicable item on the agenda. If so authorized by the council, the exec session would be held immediately and will not be open to the public. Public meeting would resume immediately following that, however. Okay, next we have meeting minute approvals, and I will entertain a motion to approve regular meeting minutes of August 24, 2026, special meeting minutes of August 25, 2026, and regular meeting minutes of August 25, 2026. So moved. Second. Second. P

And Councilman Graham, I know you have, we're going to take public speakers. Do you want to go ahead and make your comments now or wait?

Mayor, thank you. I just wanted to congratulate the city for moving forward with Bond Project 62. We're finishing the bridge. I'm not going to say bridge to nowhere because this bridge goes somewhere. We all know where it goes. Build a bridge on Thompson Peak Parkway over Rialto Pass Wash. Anybody who's been in that area knows that it got this kind of weird swerve. How many years was that? I mean, probably 20 years or... So this is, and also this was a 2019 bond project. So that was a factor for a lot of people in that DC Ranch, Pima Acres, Wingate, you know, those neighborhoods in that bond e

Thank you. And with that, we have a motion and a second.

I have a motion, and is there a second? I'll second it. Oh, you did? Okay, sorry. There are no public speakers on the consent agenda items this evening, so we'll go ahead and take a vote. Thank you, moving on to the regular agenda. Item number 17 is up next, Orangedale Lounge Conditional Use Permit. And this evening we have Casey Steinke, am I saying that right? Steinke, to present, Senior Planner, thank you. Go ahead, Casey.

Thank you, Casey. We have two speakers on this, Todd Herald and David Boland. I'll ask Todd to come up.

Thank you. All right, next we have David Boland.

I see that boss vice mayor McKellen has something Thank You mayor Casey.

I have a question for you I just want to clarify that the Planning Commission voted 6-1 for amplified music on Friday and Saturday only.

Casey, I have a question. What are the hours of operation of Orangedale?

Okay, and what is contemplated for the hours of the entertainment, the proposed entertainment? And what days, if you're, I mean, assuming it's not just Friday and Saturday?

Okay. Thank you. I don't see anyone. Okay. All right. I don't see any other.

Okay, thank you so much. Councilwoman Whitehead.

Thank you, Mayor. So I have additional questions. And I just want to thank the applicant for explaining why not just Friday and Saturday night. That's actually, I hadn't thought about that. I've never run a bar or restaurant. So that's a good reason is to draw people in during the week. It's stipulated that the music ends at 10 p.m. Is that correct? And it stipulated that the doors must remain shut? That's correct. And this is, I guess, a staff question. You've been operating for how many years? How long have you been operating?

Last July. Have we had any complaints about, because you've had music, just not the acoustic guitar, is that my understanding?

Okay, okay. I guess staff is satisfied with your answer. They're here to correct you if you... Okay, and have we... Would you all be comfortable? You said it is a sleepy area, and I will say I appreciate that you guys are slowing down for those baby quails. I'm not sure everybody on Thompson Peak and Bell Road is, but it is kind of a big intersection right there. But other than that, the whole area is pretty sleepy. Would you be comfortable with having the stipulation something other than 10 p.m.? since I'm, you know, and then it does seem like you have most of your nights, you have different

Yeah, you said 8 or 9 p.m., because I think that might make a difference for those of us who could have been earlier. Yes, we're fine. And did you have a recording? I thought you had maybe a recording recording.

Yeah, and I guess we do have the VIG right there with an open patio, but they're more, I guess, non-live music. I'm not really 100% sure.

Okay, but yours is all inside and that is stipulated. Okay, thank you. Councilman Graham.

I guess the thing I just kind of strikes me is that normally what we do Mr. Stanky is we like the Planning Commission in my mind would make the recommendation and then whatever they recommended would come to City Council and then the applicant might appeal for sort of a change and so it kind of seems like we sort of I Feel a little bit like we kind of disregarded the Planning Commission's stipulations Mayor Borowski Councilman Graham

I like those stipulations, but, you know, I can bend a little bit. Maybe we can find somewhere in the middle. It's kind of my preference if my colleagues can get there. So thank you, Mayor.

Would you be amenable to a stipulation of Monday or Thursday until 8 p.m.?

Monday through Thursday, no later than 8 p.m., 65 decibels outside of your operation.

Yes? Okay. I'll make a motion to approve with the following stipulation that the UP be Monday through Thursday and that it expires at 8 p.m. with a decibel level of 65 outside the premises.

I'll second that, but I have a question about your motion. That does not prohibit the music on Saturday and Sunday. It's just in addition to the... Just for live music. in addition to the live music on Saturday and Friday.

He was saying they don't want live music on Saturday because they are busy on Saturday. They don't need live music.

Yeah, but I don't want to limit it. I mean, that just seems overly restrictive. I'd like to make a friendly amendment that those stipulations apply for every day of the week. But I actually, you know, I guess I don't know if it's a friendly amendment. I'll make an alternate motion that we approve the UP 1-2026 with live music permitted during the week until 8 p.m. and until 10 p.m. on Friday and Saturday at your discretion with the continued stipulations about the doors being closed and the noise levels.

Okay, yeah, the problem was I wasn't on the right page. So I will make an alternate motion to Councilwoman Dabaskis to adopt resolution number 13752 for live entertainment conditional use permit on the 1.5. site zoned planned community center, environmentally sensitive lands, PCC ESL, located at 10121 East Bell Road, number 110, with the added stipulations that live music be limited to 8 p.m. on weekdays and 10 p.m. Saturday Fridays and Saturdays should you Decide you're gonna have some and that while the other stipulations are already in there about the doors closed and noise levels I'll seco

All right. I don't see any other speakers on this.

Thank you. Okay, so we have a couple more comments and questions from Council. Councilwoman Dabowskis.

What type of a permit does the VIG have?

It is during the day. OK, that's helpful. Thank you. I'm very sympathetic to the residents and the noise concerns that they have, so I'm not comfortable with going to 10 PM on a Friday or Saturday night, regardless of what the Planning Commission approved. I just think that's too noisy in a small residential area, and so I'm a no to the amendment.

I was just wondering if somebody could explain the difference between the motion and the alternate motion. Maybe the city attorney.

So great question. And I think there's an amendment by the maker. So just hold on that.

So I think this is what we do up here is we talk in a public forum to try to find that common ground. I'm also very sympathetic to the residents. One suggestion is to amend it to 9 p.m. on the weekends because it is, again, 10 p.m. was what was in there, which is what I stuck with, but I think the owner said that 8 and 9 p.m. is pretty much where you end anyway. So that would be fine with me if that made my colleagues more comfortable kept this moving forward. And I do want to stress that we haven't had any complaints with this. We would like to support our businesses and protect our neighborh

Thank you, Mayor. So what was the difference in the treatment for the weekend?

Okay. So you'll flex a little bit on that? Okay, very good. Very good.

Okay, there's a motion on the table, and I just want to chime in. I hesitate to be, you know, running micromanaging a business from the dais. I think that's, you know, not the way we should, that I feel comfortable addressing businesses. And I honestly haven't heard any convincing evidence that there's, that this is going to be an issue, the noise. It sounds like the bar music that you've got would, based on everything that I've heard tonight, is going to be louder. or is louder, excuse me, than the contemplated acoustic guitar. So I'm really not sure what we're dissecting here. I would be com

So are you on the same page that you want consistent times? Or you just want me to restate the motion, that's all?

So I move. to adopt resolution number 13752 for a live entertainment conditional use permit on a site zoned planned community center, environmentally sensitive lands located at 10121 East Bell Road, number 13752. with the additional stipulations that the live acoustic music be limited until 8 p.m. on weekdays and 9 p.m. on Friday, actually that's a good question, Friday and Saturday night, I think is what we call the weekends. All other stipulations remain.

All right, we have a final motion and second. And I just want to add that for the neighbors, and I totally appreciate your concerns. And if it becomes reality that it's disruptive, you come back and see us. And we'll see what we can do there with these business owners. If there's complaints, that'll change the story next time around when this is renewed. And also, we can work with the business owners on that. So please register your vote on the motion on the table. Yes. All right. Congratulations. Thank you. Keep it low. We will.

All right. Next we have item number 18, Westworld proposed fiscal year 2026-27 rates and fees for the new, soon to be open, Montero facility. This is exciting. Hi, welcome. Cassie Johnson, the interim Westworld general manager. Nice to see you, Cassie. We've all heard a lot about you.

Thank you, Vice Mayor McKellen has one. Go ahead.

Thank you, Mayor. Thank you for the presentation. With these rates, do we have an in-house catering company that either of, so if you use, if I rent the facility on the weekend, must I use the in-house catering company, or can I bring something from the outside, and if I bring something from the outside, do you charge more?

Thank you. On that note, do you happen to know how long that exclusive contract is with MCatering?

You're very welcome. I don't see any other questions, so I'll go ahead and make a motion to approve this item. Let's see. I need to get my language here. Do I have a second? Let me get the... Where is it? All right. I just misplaced it. Adopt resolution 13765, authorizing and approving rental fees for the Montero facility at Westworld.

All right. I don't see any further questions, so please indicate your vote. Yes. The hamsters are not working. All right, there we go. Thanks so much. Now we will move on to public comments. And this is a period reserved for Scottsdale citizens, business owners, and our property owners to comment on non-agendized items that are within the council's jurisdiction. No official council action can be taken on these items, and speakers are limited to three minutes to address the council. If you haven't already signed up and you wish to speak, please let our city clerk know. And I will ask Dan Isaac,

All right. Thank you. Next we have Patty Badnock. Hello. Hello. 40-year resident of Scottsdale.

Thank you very much. All right, next we have Felipe Prius. Am I saying that right?

Thank you so much. All right, next we have Andrew Wollman. And Andrew, I know there's, let's see, Autumn is donating some time. Will four minutes do it for you? Is that okay?

Thank you. All right, that concludes non-agendized public comments. Oh yes, I'm sorry, Councilwoman Whitehead, I'm sorry.

I just want to respond that I absolutely agree. I think it was terrible. First of all, all the dollars that I've received were disclosed on my financial reports. And people can voluntarily attack me online, as we've seen a lot of that. And it turns out in this election, people can voluntarily support me. I have no, I'm not complicit with it. But the dark money funded campaign, we still don't know who paid for all those tase signatures. so dark money has been a real big problem in this state i can tell you that i went door to door collecting signatures for a an initiative that did pass to try t

Thank you. Next, we have, well, we don't have any citizen petitions, right? Okay. Moving right along, Mayor and Council item number 20, and this is my item, and I'm asking for my colleagues' support, at least to obtain a majority, to put this item on the agenda on October 20th, 2026. a meeting which I've had a preview of the agenda and it appears can accommodate that. And this is to agendize a future item related to flock technology. And I'm requesting that we direct the city manager to agendize a flock conversation and open discussion which would include a presentation discussion and possible

Thank you, Madam Mayor. With discussions with the mayor's office, I would like to propose a friendly amendment because I want to make sure everybody has enough time to prepare and have it be a really well thought out conversation that's thoughtful and outcome producing. I would like to request that we amend this to have this done in 60 days, give a 60-day window to make sure that everybody's prepared.

No, I think time is of the essence. I think we've sat on this for too long already, honestly. And I don't think that's a fair timeline, really. I think three weeks, this is October. Actually, it's a full month to prepare. And I know that our chief of police is prepared to have this discussion because he issued an August 27, 2026 comprehensive memo So this isn't something that's sudden. This is something that we've been working on for quite some time.

Madam Mayor, with all due respect, I'm really, this is such a controversial issue. I think that unanimity from this council is of paramount importance, and I think that we have a much better chance of getting a unanimous council if we adopt the amendment.

Well, I'm a little tired of waiting on some of these issues, like the water conversation that I've been asking for for three or four months. I'm candidly really frustrated, and I don't know why we are sandbagging some of these. No offense, Councilman Clausman, because I think you're coming from a very good place.

Yeah, I think if we want to say no more than 90 days, that's fine. If you want to put a parameter in some way that you feel comfortable that it doesn't keep getting pushed.

Yeah, I wasn't done, but there's no question that this is a sufficient amount of time a month in advance. So I hear what you're saying. If you choose not to support it, that's your choice. So I hope that we will put this on the agenda. There is no time like the present to do this. It's been dragging on and not through any fault of the council or the Scottsdale Police Department. But I do think it's time. So I'm going to make a motion to direct the city manager or responsible charter officer to agendize this item to the October 20th, 2026

uh regular council meeting councilwoman whitehead um yeah i just i agree we've we've had a lot of internal information and it's time to get it out in the public and have a public discussion so i i second the motion and so yeah thank you um councilwoman debascus

Thank you, Madam Mayor. On October 20th, we do have a very robust meeting with the water topic that you brought up. So I'll make a motion to amend and that we would have the meeting on the meeting immediately following, which will be November 10th. Do I have a second?

Yeah, okay Let me take the public comment that will resume the council comments. So I have Jeff Muckerman Eric Fowler and Lottie Kimball, so please Jeff will you come up and talk to us about this? Oh Are you a resident of Scottsdale Jeff he's not even here right is here Eric Fowler. Oh

Thank you. And can we keep the applause silent, please? Thanks. Lottie Kimball.

Thank you. Appreciate you coming. And I know there's a couple of comments here, so I'll hold mine. Councilwoman Dabaskis, were you back on the board? Who was that? OK, Vice Mayor McKellen.

Thank you, Mayor. I'd just like to say that this discussion is long overdue. And I know that our police department has used this system uniformly and justly. That being said, I don't think we should wait until the 20th. I think we should look at this on October 6th. I would move that the city, I make a motion to direct the city manager and responsible charter officer to agendize this for a future meeting, and that meeting be October 6th.

So there's, There's a motion on the table, so hold that thought. Okay. We've got to flesh out what the motion is and what's going on with it.

So I'd like to make an alternative motion that we move the date to October 6th. A friendly amendment.

I thought there was a motion to amend, so she didn't say it was an alternative motion. That's what she referred to it as. Anyway, while we're figuring this out, I just want to also add that this isn't about a belief that the Scottsdale PD isn't, to Lottie's point, that the Scottsdale PD isn't using this properly or isn't advancing the goals of public safety. through this technology. It's a conversation that we wanna share with the public, okay? We wanna have everyone understand what's going on. Again, I asked to have this agendized back in, I talked to the city attorney about having this agend

Councilman Klausman, I'm sorry. Yeah, I just want to be very clear on the accusation that what I was trying to accomplish was subterfuge when I said when the whole reasoning is, first of all, the difference is 10 days, which is not going to change the the existence of our citizens in Scottsdale. We're gonna be okay for a 10-day difference. The fact of the matter is, is that the October 22nd meeting, 26, which, no, 20th meeting is going to go five hours. Five hours. And so we're going to have a three-hour discussion after a five-hour discussion, and we start at 5 o'clock at night. And the membe

So I'm going to just respond to that because it's directed at what I said. And first, there was never any discussion that I would agree to that. So I apologize if there was a miscommunication. to you. I regret to hear that. So the second thing is there's an alternate motion for October 6th and given, you know, the length that you're speculating on October 20th seems to be a wise idea now. So that makes even more sense and, you know, certainly I've already made the case for why we would be prepared. The work's been done. It's at our fingertips. It's a matter of sharing this with the general pub

I should have pointed out that Yvonne Cahill is here to speak. I'm sorry. There was an omission. The first speaker was not here, so you're still on cue to speak. Do you want to go ahead and say something, Councilwoman Whitehead, right now?

No, I've already spoken, but I do like the October 6th. There's no reason to wait until after an election.

Do you want to wait until she's done? Or do you want to talk now? Okay. Councilman?

We've had meetings where we do nothing all year.

Thank you. All right, now we have Councilman Graham.

Mayor, thank you. So I support looking at this sooner than later. I generally am in opposition to it. I guess my question is, is this gonna be a work, do you envision this to be a work study or an actual agenda item? Because I have some comments about either or.

I'd like to see it as an agenda item that would include, you know, a presentation equivalent to a work study and then direction.

So here's the thing is that like we could do a work study, maybe not. What that would look like is we would, you know, we'd actually get a presentation from our public safety about what they actually do. We could hear from all the stakeholders and we could discuss the risks of abuse. We could discuss what safeguards do we have now? What limits do we have now? The last speaker was like, oh, we're putting them on garbage cans and this and that. Well, is there some sort of containment? And then we can also discuss ordinances in a work study that we want to say, hey, we want to do these things. Th

So My council, my mayor's item asks to have an agenda is to provide direction. I don't think there's any point in doing this twice, which is what you're talking about. I think we should have a full discussion and be prepared to give direction. So everyone spoke a number of times.

Mayor, can I just, may I ask you a question then? Sure. So my question would be, we come here on October 6th and we say, yeah, we hate Flock, you're gone. But then we haven't had the time to like deliberate and say like, well, the next council replaces them with something, you know, way worse. And we don't have any ordinances that stop Flock. We don't have criminal penalties for abuse of flock footage. We don't have limits on what could have been added to the ALPR to stuff beyond it. We don't have that information to just come here and vote on something. I'm ready to take action, but I want to

I'm just really not following that because ordinances can be changed by any council in the future, so I'm not really following that. Nonetheless, I do think that we should stick to, uh, having a full discussion and be prepared to give direction. We don't have to give direction. I mean, that's just what the agenda item can allow for.

I move to suspend the rules and allow Chief LaDuke to be able to give his input on when we should have the discussion, not about what the good or the bad of Flock is, but whether or not he should.

Point of order, point of order. You have spoken on multiple times. We have one speaker per this item, and this is not a discussion. It's not a agenda. What the mayor is asking for is the... Okay, point of order.

Councilman Quasman, I appreciate where you're coming from. It's not agendized for that, so we're not going to do that. And there's a motion on the floor. I kind of see where this is going. Councilwoman Littlefield, do you want to say something?

Councilman Littlefield? Something like, you know, what we like. Okay, let's move on. There's an amended motion, which I forget what it was. No, you want to rephrase that?

It was my friendly amendment to move this, to have the city manager add this to the agenda on October 6th.

Okay, let's take a vote on that. Councilwoman Littlefield? Okay. That motion passes 6-0. Okay, moving right along. Next we have work study sessions. Work study sessions, creation of a large water user ordinance, which is an item that I brought forward as a mayor and council item. And tonight, we're going to have that discussion as a work study. And Tyra Ryden-Diaz is here to talk to us about that, the interim director of the Water Department. And I think we have Aaron Perot, potentially, and Ken Burke. So go right ahead. Thank you.

Thank you. Do we want to hear from the other two speakers first?

Thank you, Tyra. Councilwoman Whitehead. We do, yes. So I'm going to call on Dr. Alyssa McMahon and then followed by Raul Zubia.

Thank you. Next, we have Raul Zubia. Excuse me. Do we have a copy of that slideshow you just did? Maybe you can send it or give it to the clerk and he can disseminate it. Thank you so much. Hi, Patty. Welcome. Let's talk after. Sorry.

Thank you. All right, that concludes comments, public comment on this item. Councilwoman Whitehead.

Thank you, Mayor. So, yeah, this is, obviously I support this. I think what residents might notice is how few large water users we have. Well, that is because the majority of our water is actually used by single-family homes. And I agree with the suggestions that Dr. McMahon made. I think those are good suggestions. We need to look at all wet water, not just potable water. And also, I just want to... suggest for people who are looking at the presentation that was given to council that in the past when we are given charts it's divided into or somehow labeled indoor water versus outdoor water be

Vice Mayor McKellen. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, Tara, for the presentation. I have a question. Going back to one of the slides where it said the two largest water users, you said one was an HOA and one was a resort. Do you have the names of what those are or who those are?

Yeah, I'm just going to quickly state that there's no There's no disagreement about any member of this dais that water and long-term conservation needs to be handled, of course, but let me just be the one to always remember that any type of large-scale plan like this is going to put individual residents and homeowners squarely in the crosshairs, even if they claim they're not going to do it. We've heard members on this dais say that homeowners are the number one users of water. Well, guess who's going to be regulated if they think that you are the target? It's going to be moms and dads. It's g

Thank you. Councilwoman Dabowskis. Thank you. I had a question about this slide. So we have two hospitals that are 100,000 to 250,000 gallons a day, multifamily and HOA. How many multifamily versus HOA?

So four multifamily. So those are large multifamily complexes, whether they're condos or apartments. Okay.

Right, the irrigation for their landscaping rather than for...

Oh, so they're not using the reclaimed water for landscaping. Correct. Okay. Is that something that we could look into?

Yeah, I guess part of what I'm thinking about when I look at this list is maybe it was something that, Councilman McKellen was driving at as well, is are there ways to reduce the use if this is a large-scale use? Are there ways to reduce the use or ways to use not potable water for that? So we have four HOAs in the first category. We have a big O HOA in the bottom category. We have two resorts, we have industrial, one retail, one mixed use. Mixed use probably goes along with the apartments, condos also. So that's gonna probably end up being five multifamilies. And so I think it's just interest

So what I'm trying to understand also is we have a policy today, and so what would an ordinance do that's different than what we currently do today?

The ones that are from those three pieces of legislation?

Thank you. I am going to ask a couple questions before you go again. Councilwoman Whitehead, Councilwoman, excuse me. Tyra, what are you recommending? So I see it's slide number 11, right? Those are the recommendations based on other city ordinances.

So other cities, I have a question, I guess this is probably for the city attorney, as to, for example, on slide 11, the physical water supplies conveyed to the city, this is in another jurisdiction, another municipality's ordinance, conveyed to city to offset usage. So that sounds like they're required to bring their own water, for lack of a better description. Is that right?

I'd like to see something like that. City attorney, can you talk to us about this? I know when the Axon conversation came up and I wanted to press them to bring their own water. We were advised by our city attorney not to do that because it could create exposure to the city. So how do we get there? I mean, I believe if we're giving increased zoning, if and when that ever happens, but If it's not, as you point out, Tyra, a by right use, I would like to see us have the flexibility to require that, the conveyance to the city. And I know it's happened in Scottsdale, not on this council's watch, bu

I think that's a really good idea, and the way that I envisioned this was, you know, we have to factor every development into our long-term water assurance, right, the 100-year. And if it doesn't, if a development doesn't fit within the 100-year water supply, I mean, that's a whole different story. that's a moving target, the 100-year water supply assurance. But if it doesn't fit within our plan, the city's plan, I would really like to see us have that flexibility to require that. I think that's critical at this point. So I'm gonna turn it over to Councilwoman Whitehead. But thank you for that

Well, I'll agree with the mayor that that would be interesting to explore. We had not required that in the past, and I thought we were prohibited by state law. And I also want to, again, stress, Tyra, that perhaps... moving forward we can divide up this pie chart in the past has divided outdoor versus indoor water. And the reason I think that's really important is that if in fact what we're trying to do is solve a problem uh we should treat large water users that uh for outdoor water differently i mean it seems to me would you agree that the indoor water comes back that should be treated diffe

Okay, because I couldn't see that. We were going to do that moving forward.

Okay, because I think everybody, every stakeholder, every resident would love to have the discussion of, gosh, how do we best divvy up water? But first, we have to make sure we have that secure, affordable water. And that's the problem we're trying to solve. And that's why I... I like the idea of having the option to bring in water for new development, but also dividing up water that we're not getting back versus water that is coming back into the system. And I also, you know, I want to address some of the, actually Councilman Quasman brought up something that is really important and that's th

Well, I do think it's important. And the reason I brought this forward is one of the reasons I should say I brought this forward is because I am aware of other communities that have these. So hopefully we can do that, and I think it turns on whether we're providing an additional benefit, right?

Okay. And then just last comment here before we move on. And I know Councilman Klausman wants to speak. I do think that's the HOAs that are watering with potable water. I think we should really be doing something about that. I think designing a plan to kind of wean them off that would be a really good idea. So that's super interesting. Councilman Klausman.

Yeah, I live in an HOA in McCormick Ranch with some of the most beautiful and lush topography. It's one of the reasons why we live there. When a politician tells you that there's water that you need and water that you don't need in your home, run. And it's a real big problem. And I want you to know that whatever we come up with here, we're going to be voting on making sure that we protect residents and we protect homeowners and protect moms and dads. This has rationing written all over it. And if you can't read between the lines here, you're saying you got a deal when you have politicians and

All right. Just on that note, I think this is all discussion to avoid any talk of rationing in the future. Okay, I think we're good. Thank you so much. Thank you. Appreciate it. And last but not least, we have the financial and capital improvement plan update. And Scott Saleen is here to discuss that with us. Okay.

Thank you, Councilwoman Whitehead. So on the sales tax, if I understand you correctly, we're not getting more, we're not buying more stuff, it's just people are paying more and that's where you think that the added sales tax is coming from?

All right, Scott, I don't see any other questions or comments, so thank you very much. Thank you. Excellent. And that concludes the work study items. And now we have the council member updates.

Oh, Allison. There you are. Yes, indeed. And for that, we have Allison Timkew.

Councilwoman Whitehead. Thanks, Alison. It sure is fun watching these projects come to real life. Do you know if the drainage at Westworld's going to fix the pooling water that's visible off of Bell Road, so just north of Bell Road when you're, sorry, Thompson Peak, when you're crossing over the wash? There's always pooling and mosquito issues to the north of that.

So it's at Thompson Peak, just past 100th Street.

Okay, well, thank you. Vice Mayor McAllen.

Thank you, Mayor. Thank you for the presentation, Allison. My question is about the Thomas Road improvements. After the water, after that's done and then you actually go into the improvements, I just want to remind you that the southeast corner of Thomas and 68th Street has an inaccessible sidewalk do for handicapped people? We brought this up with all the ADA when they did the surveying and when they came out and talked to the public. I'm sure that's part of the scope of the work, but I just want to remind you again publicly that that telephone pole needs to be moved so people in wheelchairs

All right, Allison, that's all for the questions. Thank you so much. Thank you. Mayor? Oh, I'm sorry. Yes, Councilwoman Littlefield.

Sounds fun. Thank you so much. All right, now we have council member updates, if any, Vice Mayor, no, Vice Mayor McCallum.

Thank you, Mayor. I just wanna congratulate the Parks and Recreation Department on a great special event last week. The whole Civic Center was packed for the Recreation Rewind. It was a lot of fun, fun family event. That being said, one of the tents that was out there was Scottsdale Historical Society, and they are reopened for the fall so winter visitors can start just piling into the Historical Society. And then I wanted to mention With the improvements to City Hall parking lot, Farmer's Market will be open October 3rd, and it is going to be fabulous. So excited about the new location.

Terrific. Thank you. All right. Move to adjourn. Thank you.