City Council - Regular Meeting

All right, council, welcome to our September 15th board session. We will start with our, just walking through our consent agenda items. Starting with our minutes, number eight and nine. Any questions or edits or concerns on the minutes as posted? All right, number 10. Let me also just say that we're going to pull item number 13. It'll be pulled for separate consideration. So we'll do the consensus agenda item, then we'll turn to item 13 for evidences in common. Number 10 is consider authorizing the city manager to enter into a three-year agreement with Environmental Systems Research Institute

I'm a little fuzzy about how it breaks down into five years. $245,000 plus plus divided by five is $49,000. So the $61,000 is a little confusing for me.

It's like a correction of the original calculation. Okay, thank you.

Moving on, number 12, consider authorizing the city manager to renew agreements with various furniture vendors through interlocal co-op agreements with Collin County Government Purchasers Forum and Collin County College in an amount not to exceed $880,000 for fiscal year 2027.

We're saying that we're going to spend $880,000 on furniture in 2027? I believe that's what it says. That's why I'm asking.

All right. Moving on to number 13. Again, we're going to take this one separately. So the consent agenda item will be items number 8 through 12 and then 14 and 15. But number 13, we have a companion item on this, so we'll take questions on this as we go through the companion work session item. But this is the block, yes.

Will Chief Arredondo be available for a question? Yeah. Thank you.

Yep. Chief as well as anybody he delegates to number 14 Consider a resolution authorizing the city manager to enter into an agreement with MetroCrest services for for services to be provided To Carrollton residents for the fiscal year 26 and 27 fiscal year six hundred twenty nine thousand oh nine two for the agenda which includes a hundred and thirteen thousand of CDBG Any questions Number 15 is also a community grant with the Children's Advocacy Center for $104,637 for the fiscal year 26-27 contract year. Any questions? All right. I'm gonna switch back to our work session item. I'm gonna star

Mix it up. Okay, seniority, I thought I'd be last. But backwards, yeah, lost. So I just would ask that we consider an item sometime on the developmental properties that the city owns, like the NTTA property or the I-35 one, the downtown. And then my main concern is La Hacienda. And if there's still anything left on Crosby that we can do, I just have questions. at some point in the future, I would appreciate that item. Sure.

That's a simple request. Whether it's a work session item or an item, I think we can share.

And I appreciated your speaking at the Irving Infrastructure Forum, and I look forward to seeing what the legislation affecting cities becomes.

Mr. Mayor, I have nothing new this week. Council Member Axford.

Thank you, Mayor. I don't have anything either.

Councilmember and Mayor Pro Tem Palermo.

Thank you, Mayor. This past Saturday, I attended the Coffee with the Cop event at the Giving Garden, which was surprisingly, it was very informative for me. I didn't realize how big it was or exactly what was growing there. So I'm really excited to see the community giving back in that way and providing 50% of all their crops back to MetroCrest Services and another organization that provides food to the community. So that was great. And then I also attended the annual CPCAAA Casino Night, which was a great success. Lots of people, and I know there were simultaneous events going on, so it was k

One last thing. Today is the beginning of Hispanic Heritage Month. So September 15th through October 15th is a time where we reflect on the different contributions of our different flavors of Hispanic communities that we have. And I just wanted to make a note of that for this month.

And everyone should have a little bookmark in terms of some of the library other events happening throughout the city at different times throughout the next 30 days.

Thank you, Mayor. This past Saturday, I had the privilege of speaking because you were not able to speak at the Brahma Kumaris, their 90th anniversary celebration, and I had a great time meeting with them and other community leaders. They were also celebrating our 250th anniversary of the birth of our nation, which was fantastic to see. So I appreciate the opportunity to do that and to speak there for us. Thank you for covering that. Absolutely. Anything else?

That's all. Okay. Council Member Watchers.

We had some ribbon cutting, Folly, a new restaurant on George Bush. And then we had Davi, which was yesterday. It was an amazing facility. And then this afternoon, we had the M&A event. sort of another ribbon cutting after so many years in Carrollton. And it was very fascinating to see how some of these businesses that we have in Carrollton are sort of interrelated. So I was just wondering if we have any sort of a networking event for all our businesses here. And maybe I'll just follow up with Ravi on that one and find out a little more, because it seems like they might be able to learn from e

That was a highlight for many canines and for baby parents and everybody else this weekend. But back on your question about the networking, again, we do use our, we'll have Jenny maybe share some information, but our Chamber of Commerce is our networking group that we turn to to make sure that best practices and other things are shared. So we'll also see about having an update from the Chamber here as well. Council Member Sutter.

Yes, I went to the Philly Tea Ribbon Cutting, and it's a Dubai-based tea and cafe, and it was really good, very nice, and I enjoyed that ribbon cutting. And Saturday night, I managed to pull off two events. Went to the North Texas Emergency Communication Center 10-year anniversary, and that's the 911 center that we have for the four cities that joined together way back when. And also managed to go over to the Carrollton Citizens Patrol Casino night for a little bit, just long enough to sign up and have to spend some money winning some stuff. So that was nice. And I do want to remind everybody

Excellent. Excellent. Yeah, like you said, so my update, a lot of ribbon cuttings. We actually had a grand opening for Davi, which is a rolling manufacturer for rolled metal, if you will. So whether that's submarines, aircraft, weapons like nuclear weapons, barges, et cetera, they're right here in Carrollton. They moved from Addison. So this is their North American headquarters. They're out of Italy. The lead shareholder, Mr. Davi, and the president from Italy were here, as well as the plant general manager. Ravi and economic development staff were all there. It was a good celebration. They're

I forgot one thing. I did want us to recognize that September is the National Suicide Prevention Month. And, you know, I pray for all the families out there that are going through horrible experiences, and I pray for them. And thank you so much.

Okay, Council. We're going to go ahead and close out our work session in here. And given some of the attention on flock, we're going to go ahead and take the balance of our work session for the work session item out from the dais. Please, Chief Arredondo and his command staff will brief us out there in terms of their work session item. And then Um, we'll close out our meeting. Certainly that that's a normal work session out there, even though we're taking out there. So ask your questions. then adjourn that uh work session and roll into our council meeting once um right at seven as normal sched

Are we going to re ask the questions from the work session then or or back to the just I just want to make sure we're clear on the procedure because I don't think we've ever done that before.

Work sessions have been held out at the dais in the past, given the number of people that are out there and people that expected to come. Oh, we're going to hold that the work session item as published as just as we would in here, but from out there and they're going to brief that work session, which in the work session reminder is. Um, a briefing on police use of technology and crime reduction strategies. Okay. Um, certainly flock the agenda 13 is a subset of that. Um, ask any questions as you would, just as you would in here. Okay. Um, it'll be out there for anyone and everyone that has gath

Okay. Got it. Thank you. Makes sense. Thank you.

Council. So we're going to, we'll go ahead and start out of the dice at 10 after. So if you can just get your materials and we'll just roll right into the balance of our work session out there. Yes, I'm the chair. I think Leonard was there.

Okay, council, we will continue our work session items for item number four, which is to receive a briefing on police use of technology and crime reduction strategies. For those in the audience here, we've pulled our work session out of the work room out here. because I know there's a lot of interest in what this next item has to say. And so as we, we'll have people joining us throughout this work session item before we start the regular meeting and take normal action. But with that, Chief, you've got the floor.

So, Council, again, Chief, thank you so much to you and your command staff for presenting, and we wanted to let you get through the entire presentation. Again, Council, we are, and for those who have joined us, you are in the middle of a work session right now, so we are not taking action during this part of the meeting. That will be subsequent to this work session. Over the last several months, two months, two to three months, we've had a lot of public So there's a lot of questions that this group will have. Some of those continue to come in via email. So we're gonna give, everyone up here wi

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you for the details and all of the transparency that you have shared with us in your department. I definitely see the passion. I see the community policing, and I appreciate our police department and everything you do to keep us safe. So my question is around the misuse tracking. Is there a mechanism in our current flock system flags unusual searches, or what is the mechanism that our Carrollton PD is using to flag any misuse of the system?

Thank you, Chief, and thank you to your team for the presentations. I had a lot of questions. I consolidated the questions that were sent to me in many ways. And I think I've received the answers for most of them, except for one. On your slides, you talked about accountability built in. You also talked about a proactive audit. So my question has to do with the processes in place to ensure the deletion of data. And how is the audit being done to ensure that deletion?

And what audits are in place to ensure the deletion of the data?

So this is the one that you referred to as the proactive audit. It's built into the system.

Y'all, staff has answered, and thank you, Chief Arradondo, for your presentation tonight. Staff has answered our questions over the last couple of months that council has had. There's one that shows up on social media that I've had answered, but I'd like to hear y'all repeat it. Is any of this data sold?

And I would hope that your sharing is limited to agencies that have the same guardrail protections that we have here in Carrollton. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I have four questions probably for you, Commander. You had a slide in there that talked about a requirement for case numbers. And I'm curious if you guys ever go back and do an audit or review to make sure that the case numbers that have been entered are actually valid case numbers.

So to be clear, yes. I guess what I'm asking is how do we know the case number that's being input is an actual valid case number?

Okay. Okay. Next question, you had some big words in there, SOC 2, Type 2, ISO 27001. I'm assuming that that is for flock, that is not for the police department. Is that true, do you know?

Great. Okay, I wanted to make sure we weren't saying that was something we were doing. Also, you used the term in there, role-based access control. Can you... I understand what that means, but can you define what role-based access control means?

as people's roles change so does their access so if a detective went back to patrol which happens from time to time their role changed and so their access changes thank you i have one final question uh regarding the alerts for atypical use um i think that you indicated from um uh mayor pro tem palomo's question that that has certainly been triggered because of, you know, an investigation. And so my question is, has it been triggered within the Carrollton Police Department for an invalid reason or, you know, for misuse of the system? Has that alert been, I'm sorry?

Well, so I'm assuming that the alert for atypical use would be something that would say, hey, this person is entering a lot of, you know, they're putting the same license plate in. I believe that was the example that you used. And I think that what you were indicating is that that has been triggered. You have seen that trigger. And my question is, has it been triggered yet within the Carrollton Police Department for an invalid use of the system?

Thank you. Solid questions I have for now.

Thank you, Mayor. Chief, I have a couple questions. If you could help me amplify kind of the safeguards piece that you've identified, guardrails that you're utilizing to ensure data protection, security protection, governance and oversight. My question is really around what happens or how do we avoid the cameras accessing private, what would be considered private situations? Let's say private residence or private property or when someone has the expectation of privacy, How are we making sure that we're not intruding there, and what kind of safeguards specifically are there to protect our citiz

So just to summarize again then, it would be the guardrails and governance that are in place ensures that anything that's recorded is in a public space in the public domain. So that would include a license plate that's on a public road or anything to that. And then because you're placing that and you're able to see first before any recording or data is collected, you're ensuring that there's no private space or any, uh, personal intent that they are in a private space, that that won't be intruded. Is that correct?

Thank you. And my last question is really around both being, and I think the presentation did a very good job of quantifying the advantages of being able to utilize this technology for speed efficiency. but if we could quantify that from a number standpoint, and you showed the numbers as far as the overall reduction in crime, but can you quantify specifically resulted in FLAC camera arrests and the impact that it's actually making from a number standpoint, and I'm sure because of your record, you have this data, that you're able to draw a direct correlation of the number of either violent or s

Thank you, Chief. Mayor, if I may make a quick comment. I appreciate that. I appreciate the examples both the Commander and the Chief has been able to state. In my mind, there's no doubt that there is certainly a massive gain in efficiency as well as effectiveness with the use of these particular cameras. But I would also say that because it is data-driven, as the Commander mentioned before, there should be a way that we can pretty close to definitively be able to track the effectiveness and efficiency specifically with these cameras and i you look at the overall crime numbers chief there's no

let me just again those standing in the doorway please enter there's plenty of seats here this is an open meeting this is an open ongoing work session so we encourage you to come in and make yourself at home as we answer as counseling has their questions answered again reminder we will be going when we're finished with him and have exhausted all of our questions as part of the work session we will start our normal meeting our regular meeting and there will be a public comment period specifically for item number 13 for additional public questions and comments. Okay, my next question from counci

Yeah, I wanted to first thank everyone for the questions, because they were great and informative, and thank you for your presentation. I guess the question I want to ask is to confirm that the city owns 100% of the data, and that the data is never sold or shared by FWOC, and FWOC does not publicly release any agency search data to anybody else. This is a Carrollton-contained database.

Okay, thank you. And then if we discovered abuse, would there be decisive discipline for their action?

Yes, sir. Chief, first of all, I want to thank you guys for coming up and for this presentation, because it's greatly needed. You talked a little bit earlier about accountability, and you talked about possible misuse from time to time. How many misuse cases have you identified within Carrollton of folks misusing the flock system? None. None. Has anybody ever been disciplined for improper use? Not of the flock system? Well, I've been here, no. And then what compliance reports are provided to city management or indoor city council?

What compliance reports are provided to the city management and or city council, if any?

All right. My last question here. I'd like to start out by saying that I do recognize that these flock camera systems technology can be very valuable law enforcement tools. I support providing our police department with effective resources to combat crime, recover stolen vehicles, and locate missing persons. and respond to Amber Alerts. However, the question before us, to me, is not whether the flock technology works. The question is whether the benefits of having this system in the interior of our city outweigh the risks of privacy, civil liberties, public trust, and the potential for misuse.

I was under the impression that we were gonna take questions and come back around. Yeah, please. So my question is around cyber security. I trust you guys with our public security, but I don't know, Commander, if you, and you may have, and please don't take any offense, but if you're a cybersecurity guru in this case, and we're dealing with personal data here. So my question is, where is Carrollton's data stored? What do we have in place for any security breaches on that data? And where on the vendor side do they have access to Carrollton's owned data, if any?

So Council Member and Mayor Pro Tem, I'm gonna ask our CIO. To comment. Ian Coney to approach, because I want to follow up. There was a question earlier from one of the council members about SOC 2, SAS 70, ISO 27001, and it really deals with cloud-based applications, similar to what the FLOX system is cloud-based, regarding penetration testing and hacking of data, data security, and so forth. Can you maybe just add some color based on the prior question around SOC 2, the question you just heard, and my lead in regarding data protection, penetration testing and the like.

And as a city, prior to the city, as we're doing our diligence around a procurement of a new system, all systems, whether it's Microsoft Office, Teams, Zoom, or Block, right, presumably there are, part of the procurement process is for the IT organization to check and obviously leverage those existing audits. Is that a fair statement?

Okay. And I can just tell you that my company is SOC 2 compliant. We pass those audits. And that is, to your point, that is the gold standard. It's basically saying that you've undergone independent audit of your systems, your controls, your access, your user rights, your data integrity, et cetera, to ensure that you have the highest standard, the gold standard, if you will. And any customer that signs up for us then would basically rely on that audit. It's not our audit. It's not their audit. It's an independent audit.

Okay. Council, again, we're going to answer all the questions you have. So if you have any other questions as part of the work session, you may pin in there. Okay, I'm not seeing any other questions now. Again, this is the work session only. So council, as part of this, we're going to adjourn our work session. We're then gonna go right into our council meeting. We will take a five minute, rather, break in case anyone needs to use the restroom. And then we will reconvene into our regular session. With that, we will stand adjourned for our work session. For those in the audience, stick around. T

I pray, Lord, that you would allow us to have a clear mind and a clear conscience. I pray that where we disagree, that we would come to understand that there's more to learn from the other side. And I pray, Lord, that all that we do would honor you. In your name I pray. Amen. Amen.

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Okay, Council, our first order of business is a proclamation recognizing Emergency Preparedness Month. If I can have our emergency management staff please join me. Thank you. Our director, Elliot Reap, and his staff up here for emergency preparedness. As a city, being the community that families and businesses want to call home, that's our vision. At the heart of that is keeping everyone safe. We obviously have public safety here tonight for an agenda item. But when disasters occur or acts of God occur, it's our emergency management personnel that step up. Or when train derailments perhaps occ

All right, Council, our first order of business now is public comment period. This is the opportunity for anyone in the audience wishing to speak on an agenda item. So we will start, I'm going to break the public comment period into two. One will be for agenda items number one, eight through 12 and 14 and 15, that excludes the flock. We'll do that one by itself afterwards after we take action on those items. So if anyone in the audience wishes to speak on agenda items number eight through 12, 14 and 15, you may approach the podium now. I don't have any cards for those items. Okay, seeing none,

Thank you, Mayor. I'd like to make a motion to approve consent agenda items 8, 10 through 12, 14, and 15. Okay.

Thank you, Mayor. I would like to second that motion.

Okay, Council. I have a motion by Council Member Klein and a second by Mayor Pro Tem Paloma to approve item number 8, 10 through 12, and 14 and 15. Any discussion on the motion? Seeing none, I'll call the vote. The motion passes unanimously. All right, that takes us to the consent agenda item number nine, polled for individual consideration. Council, with that, I will entertain a motion or discussion. Council Member Fleming.

Yes, Mr. Mayor, I'd like to consider approval of the September 1, 2026 regular council meeting minutes. Make that a motion.

Looking for a second. Second. Council Member Axberg. Okay, Council, I have a motion by Council Member Fleming and a second by Council Member Axberg to approve item number nine, which is the approval of the September 1st, 2026 regular council meeting minutes. Any discussion on the motion? Council Member Paloma.

Was there any amendments to the minutes, or why are we considering them for individual?

Facing no other comments, I will call the vote. And the motion passes unanimously. All right, Council, with that, that takes us to item number 13. This is consider authorizing the city manager to execute a cooperative agreement with Flock Safety for the lease of 82 IP cameras and supporting software services in an annual expenditure amount not to exceed $398,258.34 for a total contract amount not to exceed $1,194,775.02. Any, yeah, so for this one, again, we are going to open up a citizen comment period. I will remind our citizens that many of you will have the same question, so I will ask tha

Oh, got it, all right. Okay, well, I'm gonna start with a group that wants to go in specific order. So Jeffrey Faust, if you will please approach the podium. You'll have three minutes, all speakers will have three minutes given the number of cards we have. We will be pretty strict on that. Do me a favor, give us your name and the city of your residence for the record, please. Okay. You may start any time.

Thank you. My next speaker is Brian Chandler.

Thank you very much. My next, okay, we're not, y'all please know, we're not going to have outbursts. Everyone's, you're going to like some, you're not going to like some. Just let's keep the meeting moving. My next speaker is Hannah Faust.

Thank you. All right, my next speaker is Claire Niego.

Thank you. All right, my next speaker is Kim Crossley.

Yeah. I'm sure your other points will be raised.

Our next speaker is Amariah Arable. And you'll have three minutes if you'll just state your name correctly, if I did not.

Thank you very much. Our next speaker is Jonathan Bowen. in your name and city for the record if you would please when you, you'll have three minutes.

Thank you. My next speaker is Mark Bohm. And I know I pronounced that wrong, but I apologize. You can you can fix it when you get to the podium.

Thank you very much. Our next speaker is Nick Brown. And I'll just provide your, Mr. Brown, just your name and city of residence.

Thank you. Thank you for your time. Your time has expired. All right. My next speaker is Aria Dean. Aria Dean. Sorry. And you will have... three minutes and if you'll just give your name and address for the record.

Thank you. My next speaker is Micah Dumont. Micah? Micah? And just your name and address for the record, if you would, please.

Thank you. All right, my next speaker is John Etzel.

My next speaker is Kenneth Fagans. And if you'll just give me your address and city of residence for the record.

My next speaker is Lori Foster. Name and address for the record, and I'll give y'all three minutes.

Thank you. My next speaker is Christian Hernandez.

we deserve better i implore the council to recommit to a city that is safe and welcoming by ending these contracts thank you thank you my next speaker is don kaising don and name and address for the record and you'll have three minutes

Thank you very much My next card is does not wish to speak but is in opposition autumn Lindner from Carrollton autumn raise your hands And Malik is my next my next speaker I and you'll have your name for the record and your city of residence.

Thank you very much. My next speaker is James McAllister. James McAllister.

Thank you. Thank you. My next speaker is Ketsia Mendez. Can you name a city of residence for the record? You all have three minutes.

Thank you. All right, my next speaker is former Mayor Becky Miller. Not speaking, but is in support. My next speaker is former Mayor Pro Tem Rusty Pendleton.

Thank you. My next speaker is Chris Purcell. Name and address for the record and three minutes.

Thank you very much. My next card does not wish to speak but is in opposition. Ms. Barbara Raley. My next card is from Kyle Russell. Already done it? Does not wish to speak, excuse me, but is in opposition. All right, my next card is from Carrie Silversmith. Does not wish to speak, but is in opposition. My next card is from Nicholas... Salas? Solis? Solis, please. You can correct me on the mic there, if you would please, with your name and address for the record. You'll have three minutes.

Thank you. All right, my next card is from Chloe Spitzer, does not wish to speak but is in opposition. Very good, thank you. My next card is from Joseph Sutton. wishes to speak. And your name and address for the record, and you'll have three minutes.

Thank you. Now, let's hold the applause. You're going to like some. You're not going to like some. We're going to move on uninterrupted. Harold Vinson.

Thank you. My next part is from Leah work Kaiser does not wish to speak but is in opposition. My next card is from Russell Widener. Does not wish to speak, but is in support. Our next card is Michelle Wigington. And if you'll just give your name and city of residence for the record, and you'll have three minutes.

Thank you very much. My next card, Kyle Crowley does not wish to speak but is in opposition. And my last card is from Alexander Fincher, does not wish to speak but is in support. Okay, council, I don't have any other cards to speak. With that, I will close the public comment period for item 13. We had a lot of questions there. I wanna say, I wanna first off thank all the residents for coming out tonight and speaking. You all spoke from your heart. You spoke with data in many cases. And I appreciate you all coming and sharing your opinions for council. I will also tell you that as is often the

Yes, sir, Mr. Mayor. You know, tonight's discussion is bigger than just cameras. It's about determining the appropriate balance between public safety and individual liberty. It's about deciding how much surveillance government should conduct on its citizens and whether the level of surveillance is necessary. If our residents are being asked to accept flux surveillance network operating throughout our city, I believe that there is a legitimate argument that the taxpayers of Carrollton should have a direct voice in that decision. If this technology is as valuable and broadly supported as some cl

I want to thank everyone that was here and everyone that spoke or put in a card to give their opinion, and I especially want to thank the officers of our city and all you do for all of us. Tonight, I heard a lot about our vendors and third-party vendors, but one of the things I want to say is we give vendors and third-party vendors more rights. to everything about us, but we want to draw the line on the safety provided to our city by our dedicated officers through the use of technology. And I want to give some examples. Toll road readers, they take our plates every time we drive down a toll ro

Thank you. Chloe, do you mind putting up the flock transparency page? I just want to point out a few things. Again, as we reflect on many of the questions or comments raised tonight, some of those we've heard over the last two months Some of those are the first time hearing them tonight. Many of them have been answered as part of the presentation that was provided. And as I look at this flock transparency page, 1,574 alerts, whether that be a protective order warrant, sex offender, lists, stolen plates, stolen cars, potentially violent persons, warrants. That's a 30-day snapshot. You know, in

Thank you, Mayor. I would also like to echo how much I appreciate the citizens of Carrollton coming to this open meeting, taking the time out of your evening to be able to come listen to the city, our officers explain exactly what this program is, how it's impacting the city, hearing from each other about what challenges that we're facing, what we agree or disagree with. I'm so proud, not only to be your representative, to be involved with the city, where we can be able to come speak our minds and be able to do it from a place of protecting ourselves, each other, this community. Everybody expr

Mayor, I'll second that motion, but I had some comments to make.

That's fine. So, Council, I have a motion by Council Member Axberg and a second by Council Member Klein to approve item number 13 for the contract aggregation as articulated in the agenda. Nancy, you have the floor.

I want to explain to the or tell the people here tonight, thank you for coming over the last couple of months and helping us learn more about this system. I spent a lot of time trying to keep up with our rapidly changing world that we live in with chat gpt and robots and everything that is changing our lives and the adoption and the fraud that can occur from this new technologies and the things that council member setter listed that we open ourselves up to and um I feel like communication has improved between the city and the residents. I look forward to continuing this transparency page, Mayo

So, Chloe, do you mind putting up the map that Chief alluded to that would be a hole in the Metroplex? And as she's pulling that up, let me just point out that the population of the Metroplex is 8 million people. It is growing to 15 to 20 million over the very short period of time in the near future. And that donut hole that if Carrollton were to opt out of renewing this contract would absolutely be a void with respect to public safety. It would be a, and given the number of thoroughfares that we have coming through our city, it's important that we recognize that there are a lot of people who

Thank you, Mayor. We've been hearing a lot of feedback from residents and non-residents of our city in person, by email, by text, voicemail, and every feedback that we get, we value. You have kept us on our toes, and that is very important in order for us to see what's good for Carrollton. We've heard the sentiments, and we understand that there are some legitimate fears. We've also heard from our police chief, and he has given us his assurance. Our police department has given us great results, and we are a safe city. We are safer, like they said, in a quarter of a century, and I think they've

Thank you, Mayor. Thank you all for coming this evening and participating in government. This is one of the awesome things that I think as I sit here as a council member to see is your opportunity to come and to speak to us and to share how you feel about what you want to see the city do. I heard one person say that they plan to vote next time And my goodness, if I can get one more person to vote, even if we disagree, then I have succeeded. Because this country, we are who we are because we have the ability to freely vote. And when we ignore our willingness to go and vote, then things might ha

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. So I just want to thank everybody for coming out tonight. I had to write mine down because I'm going to be a loss for words, but I know that this topic stirs a lot of strong feelings as it should. Your public safety is paramount. For me as a council member, when I ran for election, one of my strong points and the things that I said that I would stand on is public safety. So I wanna make that clear that someone asked the question, does the benefit outweigh the risks? And in this case, it's the wellbeing of every family in this room that we're talking about. Not just you gu

Very good. Council, with that, we have a motion and a second. I will call the vote. As the votes are coming in, I want to echo the comments that we appreciate you all being here and showing up. We hope you will stay engaged in all city matters. Volunteer, Chief, to you and your command staff, thank you so much for being here. I know that hopefully you feel the support, regardless of public speakers on either side of this, right? I think that you've got the the support of 100% of this room and 100% of this dais, you and your department. So thank you so much. Council Member Watters, if you'd lik