Board of County Commissioners - Regular Meeting

open session for the Board of Carroll County Commissioners. As we always do, we'll begin with the Pledge of Allegiance in a moment of silent reflection. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Well, good morning, everybody. All commissioners are present and accounted for. Commissioner Kyler is joining us virtually today. And so as we move into priority, Carol, Commissioner Kyler, do you want to kick us off?

11:33 – 15:44•KKKenneth A. Kiler

Okay. A lot of things have gone on since the last meeting. The James D. Ball Athletic Complex kickoff happened. I got to walk the track right behind. I'm, I'm the greeny shirt behind Dr. Ball. And I got to walk the track with Dr. Ball and Dr. Mintz. Um, one of the VPs there got me there. There's my shirt. Um, and an arrow too. And I had to wear, I've got my black Converse all-stars on. So, uh, so they'd let me walk on the track. So it was great. And, uh, um, a great event. And, uh, It'll be great to get to use that field. And Chris Swam, I didn't see the green air or any place on my photo that

Thank you very much. Commissioner Kyle or commissioner Gordon.

Good morning, Carroll County. Got a few things I'm going to touch base on this morning. First and foremost, what an exceptional weekend it was. I know a number of us were in attendance at the inaugural Carroll Book Festival. Here is Zari and I at the kids breakfast with Bluey. That event was sold out. Numerous characters, tons of kids. We had Bluey, Bingo, Peter Rabbit, Bell, uh... had the green terror had uh... the links were there uh... just an exceptional opportunity for young kids to interact with uh... a variety of characters but also importantly get around uh... books and reading it just

I'm already 70 pages into it. Well, I know how you overachieve on that.

But just what an incredible, incredible day it was for Carroll County. I mean, 6,400 roughly is the count I heard from the library. Congratulations to everybody that came out, the authors, the library staff, all the volunteers. There's no way I would have even thought this was a first year event. I would have thought this was like a fifth year event. And I think it just, it showcases what we do so exceptionally in our community, which is we come together for wonderful opportunities, but also just to interact and support each other. And I think this event explains that quite well. Looking forwa

Well, thank you very much, Commissioner Gordon. Commissioner Garrett?

Good morning, Carroll County, and If we don't mention the score of that pickleball game, I will be fine with that. But Commissioner Gordon and I did our best. So anyway, again, I appreciate Commissioner Gordon mentioning the Carroll County Book Festival over the weekend. I had the pleasure of being there all day long because a good friend of mine was there promoting his book and his crafts, and he's an amazing painter and a world-class fly fisherman. So it was just an amazing day. I can't express that enough, and I think Commissioner Gordon did his best to try to say that. 95 staff there, 164

Thank you. You can tell summer's over and we're in full swing of fall and everything's gearing up. So last week when we were here on Thursday, it was Constitution Day. And you mentioned that and did a very good job. But Congressman Olszewski was here. at McDaniel College, and he gave a speak to the political science students. It was actually in McDaniel Hall, which is now the Rice Hall. And it's the dorm where I first started, so we used to have those same conversations and have people come talk when I was a freshman at Western Maryland College. And some of the same conversations are still goi

And you know, Commissioner, you know why we won. You had athletic gear on. I had a sports coat. Oh, blame it on the clothes. Sports. You did very good.

A sports coat. Yeah, very good. Well, I will mention I was the oldest one on the court out of the four of you, but by many years. That's okay.

I was going to maybe mention the wild spin that someone put on the ball a few times who will remain nameless.

Well, let me just tell you, if I put a spin on the ball.

Because I don't know really how to spin the ball, but I wish I did. There we go. I tried to hit it easy. Oh, somebody got a film of it. So the last thing, last night, my husband and I went to the Joint Sykesville Rotary and the Freedom District Lions Club service meeting. We have a joint meeting of the service clubs every year and try to coordinate all the, we have so many service clubs in Carroll County, they do a very nice job, but the Rotary, usually the Optimist, and the Lions Club get together and just talk about our joint projects. We talk about Wreaths Across America and the flag projec

Well, thank you very much, Commissioner Krebs. I'm going to be incredibly brief because my colleagues have already mentioned everything that I would have mentioned. So I want to compliment and commend them as always for their participation and their activities throughout the county. I just want to associate myself with their comments for the Cairo Book Festival and the Aging Your Way Expo. Again, incredibly stellar and well-attended events, and certainly a testament to the professionalism and the creativity of everybody who works for this county and helped to put those events together. Incredi

Well, thank you very much. Any comments, questions, or direction from the board?

Move the Board of Commissioners approve Operating Budget Transfer 27-01 for the Board of Education FY27 Operating Fund Budget. Second.

We have a motion. We have a second. Is there any discussion? Commissioner Collard, did you want to – I noticed your microphone was off. Did you want to say something?

Oh, okay. All right. With no further discussion, we have a motion to move a second. All those in favor? Aye. All those opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Thank you, gentlemen. Thank you. All right. Up next, item number three, establishing the calendar year 2027 health insurance, medical prescription, vision, dental, and Medicare Advantage plan designs and contribution rates. Good morning, everybody. Good morning. Hope everybody's doing well today.

What percentage of our retirees take advantage of Medicare Advantage? Or do they all want it?

We do, so 100% are on it? Yes. You don't choose Medicare Advantage over just straight?

Okay, so you just said if they're eligible. Before that, you said something about being eligible. Yes. What makes somebody eligible if they're on the retiree medical plan?

Okay, and so it's $440,000 pretty much. Thank you.

The reason I'm asking is because Medicare Advantage is a very rich, and in Maryland it's a little tougher, the product, because of the rate system that we have, but it's a very rich product. Yes.

Oh, okay. So I didn't get scale for that. Okay.

Any comments, questions or direction from the board?

I move the Board of Commissioners approve the 2027 plan designs and employee contribution rates for medical, prescription, vision, dental, and Medicare Advantage as recommended by Human Resources, HR.

We have a motion, we have a second. Is there any discussion? And I'll just say for the record, I understand that the rates have to go up. I understand that things are changing. As I maintained earlier, I just feel it could be a bit of a lesser rate for the contribution, but I certainly understand. Any other discussion? All right, hearing none, we have a motion, we have a second. All those in favor? Aye. All those opposed? Aye. And all those opposed? I'm opposed. So four to one, motion carries. Thank you all very much.

All right, up next, item number four, contract renewal for enterprise resource planning system. Good morning, everybody.

Any comments, questions or direction from the board?

No, but I just would like to say we have a cost here that seems high. but we don't ever, it's hard to quantify the savings. And I think, you know, getting the savings out of it, just the efficiencies and being able to pay stuff online saves a lot of staff time, frees it up for other things. So we don't ever see that other side of it, but I think we're definitely moving in the right direction. Things get done more quickly. They get posted more quickly. There's more internal control. So thank you for this, but this number is not a net number. It's the other one's not quantifiable. So I thank you

Good point. I move the Board of Commissioners renew the contract for the Enterprise Resource Planning System, ERP, with Tyler Technologies in the amount of $607,418.85. Second. We have a motion. We have a second. Is there any discussion? Oh, wait. Did I say that right? $607,418.85. OK. Yeah. I'm going to redo the motion. You can always round up. Got it. We have a motion. We have a second. Is there any discussion?

All right, hearing none, all those in favor? Aye. All those opposed? All those opposed? Motion carries.

All right, up next, item number five, approval to purchase five Ford F-554x4 ambulances. Morning. Morning.

I move the board of commissioners approve the purchase of five Ford F-550 4x4 analysis from the Atlantic Emergency Solutions for fire and EMS in the amount of $1,884,250. Second. We have a motion. We have a second. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor? Aye. Aye.

Thank you for your time. Wait, Commissioner Kyler, are you in favor?

47:03•KKKenneth A. Kiler

Yeah, sorry, I was muted. Yes, in favor.

All right, thank you very much. All those opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Thank you both very much.

All right, up next, item number six, approval to purchase the upfitting for five new ambulances. Good morning, Chief.

Any comments, questions, or direction from the board?

I move the Board of Commissioners approve the purchase for upfitting equipment and services for five new county ambulances from Stryker Medical in the amount of $1,048,507.60. Second. We have a motion. We have a second. Is there any discussion?

Aye. Aye. All those opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Up next, item number seven, approval to purchase various blacktop products. Morning, everybody. Good morning.

Any comments, questions, or direction from the board? Commissioner Kyle, you have a question?

50:14 – 50:43•KKKenneth A. Kiler

Yeah. Could you just explain to the listeners why you have multiple vendors? And I assume you try to go with the cheapest price per the product. And I know for a fact that out at Community College, one of the three listed here couldn't deliver on time for the track, so they switched to another one. So I understand why you have three, but could you just explain that a little bit?

I move the Board of Commissioners approve the purchase of various blacktop products throughout the county from multiple vendors in the amount not to exceed $419,000.

Is there any discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor? Aye. All those opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Thank you very much. All right. Up next, item number eight, contract renewal for ongoing tree trimming services.

Any comments, questions, or direction from the board?

I move the Board of Commissioners renew the contract with C2 Crane and Tree Service to perform ongoing tree trimming services for Carroll County in the amount of $830,000.

Is there any discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. All those opposed. Motion carries unanimously. Thank you very much. Thank you. All right. Up next, item number nine, approval of additional cost for mowing of Carroll County Parks in the north region. Morning, Bob. Morning, commissioners.

It's been interesting. It's supposed to be a very dry summer, but it hasn't been. It's been raining consistently, which our crops have looked great and the grass looks good, but we're still down. So I think it's just been good. We're getting it consistently to keep things green, which is good. So I understand.

I move the Board of Commissioners approve the additional cost for mowing of Carroll County Park North, the Carroll County Park North region to Brightview Landscapes LLC in the amount of $17,586.04.

We have a motion. We have a second. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor? Aye. Sorry, aye. Thank you, Commissioner. All those opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Thank you. All right. Up next, item number 10, approval of additional costs for mowing of Carroll County Parks in the south region.

I move the Board of Commissioners approve the additional cost for mowing of Carroll County Park South Region to Brightview Landscapes LLC in the amount of $26,301.24. Second. We have a motion, we have a second. Is there any discussion?

Aye. Aye. All those opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Thank you both very much. Thank you. All right. Item number 11, briefing and presentation regarding agricultural preservation program, which is information only. Good morning to you both.

Well, thank you very much for the presentation, and if nobody minds, I'll kick us off with a couple of things. So I know that we've always tried to look at ag preservation in terms of, in part at least, with contiguous properties that adjoin other properties. And I know that in the past, we've tried to go for some of the larger parcels, but as time goes on, those are diminishing in number. Um, and so, uh, I think it probably would be a good idea to start looking at some smaller properties. I'm not talking about, you know, like the, you know, the size of somebody's yard in like a town or someth

i have a couple real quick um so mr smith i i think you would probably characterize this the same way i i have over the years this hundred thousand acre goal there's really no history that goes back to where that number comes from i've talked in that cumin ralph robertson and a variety of other people uh i think part of it was it was a nice easy round number it's about a third of the county i mean is that a fair assessment in your opinion we have 289 000 acres But, I mean, there's no real origin as to where this number really came from. Everybody I've spoken to that was involved in the early y

No, absolutely, and I think one of the interesting things that we hear a lot about in our community countywide is people are saying, well, we don't want to turn into Columbia, or we don't want to become X or Y. Well, having this program in place has not only helped assist and strengthen the ag industry, but it's also caused us not to become those areas because it's not fundamentally possible given that we have utilized this acreage in this fashion. So we really have taken that off the table, even though I know a lot of people still like to comment about that possibility. I guess one of my init

I was just curious, I mean, and not a criticism of anybody on our staff, but I was just looking at it questioning, is that an opportunity to get some federal money coming in so it's not just Carroll County taxpayer dollars putting these properties, which we all love and appreciate, in Ag Pres? Just a thought. Go ahead.

I had a few questions. What's the difference in the AgPres program and the environmental trust easements?

So is that land actually donated? They lose possession of the land? They keep it for a certain amount of time.

No, I'm talking about on the environmental trust easements.

Okay. And then on the three different ag preservation programs, are they all in perpetuity?

Okay. Okay. Um, and then when we started this years ago, and I remember many, many years ago moved here, they were just moving into this program and the purpose was, was, um, well, tell me what the purpose was when they established the program.

Oh, no, the reason I'm asking, because the original purpose of when they did it, I believed, was, go back, was the enhance and protecting the agriculture industry, because we'd have a volume. And last year, we had the work group on ag. And a lot of that came out, and I think we should refresh ourselves with that, because it was very interesting. You had the work group on... And it really has changed because there was, having this large group of farmers together, you had industry here. You had the meat packing plants, or meat slaughtering plants, and you had just different businesses to come be

So the value to them, if they ever did wanna sell, has gone down because they can't sell. They have seven. So you gotta say, what's the value that can only have seven houses today? So we gotta look at all of those things together and say, what are we investing in? What is our main goal? If we're just investing to have green space on one place, I'm not sure that's a value to the other people that are paying for it. If we're doing it economically, it is bringing value into the county as we wanted to and have this industry like we, again, go back to the very beginning, and I think the purpose was

Okay, I was going to say 300. So if you have 100,000, one-third of it, less than one, You have more than one-third of the county preserved. And then you've got certain mountain roads, certain mountain schools. You've got to say, where do you have left and what are you going to do? And how are you going to support the county 10, 20 years from now? So I think we've got to look. These are all good questions. I think we need to get some more data about pull that work report out. And, again, this generational changing, are we still farming it or is it just being preserved and being called ag? Becau

Well, I guess what I'm asking is, is there a way we can still preserve land? I'm just saying, is there other ways we can preserve land that would be more useful To more people. I mean, because there's some areas we have no grant. There's no land. There's no green grass. We have no ball fields. We don't have the rec spaces. So we're putting all this money into X, and we're not being able to do Y. If we could do both, I don't think anybody would be complaining.

So do we know what percentage of farms that are under ag preservation are actually farming it and making revenue?

Okay. And listen, I wish it wasn't this way. Unfortunately, this is the direction we're moving. And then how do we get them into, we moved from tobacco years ago into other crops. How do we get folks moved into crops that are more valuable?

And one of my concerns, too, is when ag land, not preservation, is the solar that's going on it, not that we want to do it. Not to mention, we get some emails from folks, and they think it's us making those decisions. And I think we should make sure we make it very clear that it's not the commissioners that want to put solar on ag land, that it's being mandated. I try to answer that way, but we've got to make it very clear that that is not decisions we have made. I think it is a waste, whether it's ag land or conservation land or Open space land, putting solar on any kind of open land to me is

No, no, I agree. But you still can't use it. Other people still can't use it. It's not usable to the, to the public.

These are all great questions. I think we need to get, you know, get, look back at some of the data and say, where does, where do we see ourselves from here? And then do any of the, I know years ago and our work group for housing, It's never come up since then. We spent all that time on the housing work group, and one is the tiers, and I don't remember, I wasn't here for the argument about tiers. Is it something that they would want to do to look at again, just because then at least they would have some value to, we need housing, and some people want to have different type of housing, and at l

And can you, and the one last question, and I'll leave, this does deserve a lot of attention. That will bring some stuff up later. But what factors are important in the preserved farm? And I think, you know, the size, the quality, the lot rates, the zoning, and also just the soils. You know, what's the production levels? Are we buying the, how do we prioritize that? And are they all the same? And what's the potential for them to continue, to be able to continue farming? Are they farms that are viable, that are going to continue to produce? Or these farms want to put it in preservation and they

1:32:08•KKKenneth A. Kiler

They're just giving you the means of thinking about this.

And even just helping to support the industry that we have. Yeah. I mean, I know I just read somewhere in a paper a couple weeks ago about the fact of the cost of titling doubling, and just what it costs a farmer now to title all of his trucks. I mean, that's negative. I mean, so we've got to fight to make sure that the farms that we currently have, how do we make them as viable as possible? You know what, keep the industry strong instead of just keep expanding it. I'm not saying don't do it, but just make sure that we're going to keep having this viable, because you don't make much money off

A couple of things I want to bring up real quick, and I think Mr. Smith can jump in when he wants. I think it's a fair assessment. This is probably one of the, A, it's a mature program, but I think it's also one of Carroll County's most successful programs to date, how we've run this for the past 45 years. I mean, Ned Kuhman, who's a good friend of mine, we've talked about this multiple times, as has Ralph and a number of other parties. And I think that's a fair point that everybody needs to keep in mind. It's run very smoothly, for lack of a better way of explaining it. It hasn't taken these

1:41:57 – 1:43:22•KKKenneth A. Kiler

I'll be pretty quick. I think our, our egg press program is strong and headed the right direction. I think it's some good questions up here. Um, I know a lot of farmers and, um, my great grandfather had a second job. So that hasn't changed. Dairy farms have, um, they want bigger, bigger properties, um, you know, bigger farms. And so a lot of the small ones have, uh, gone by their wayside. It's interesting, Kevin Ford still does dairy and I don't know how he does it, but they do a lot of other things. But no, I think this is a good thing. I think we need to keep it moving forward. I think there

Thank you very much, Commissioner Kyler. Commissioner Guerin, did you want to

Yeah, again, Jackie and JP, thank you. This is an important discussion, and I'm glad Commissioner Kyler mentioned what he had because this board does, just so everybody understands, this board actively supports this ag preservation program. It's something we spend a lot of time on, and we're wholeheartedly behind. The request for the ag study that came out of the master plan meetings, that would be helpful to have. You probably have sent it to us already, but if you don't mind resending it, that would be great. The issue of 100,000 acres, I think that it's worth mentioning, and I'm not mistake

But clearly, a lot more discussion to be had on this, and I'm glad we're having the discussion now, and I appreciate your attention to all this.

Thank you very much, Commissioner Gordon. And then I'll just reiterate what I said at the beginning as well. Like Commissioner Guerin and Gordon both said, the contiguity of property, trying to make sure that things aren't fractured, and that was a good way of putting it earlier, JP, making sure that the land is not fractured. Obviously, as larger parcels become more difficult to find, maybe looking at some smaller parcels as well, especially if they are going to be contiguous. And then, of course, as Commissioner Gordon has said and as you said as well, there are any number of reasons why som

It's something that's come to mind before, but just came back to me. Could you get us the board? Could you get us a complete update? I mean, I know we have this map with all the various color codes and the different priority areas. Could you get us a map of which ag properties are not in ag press? What is the total count of acreage? countywide is there any way to find out what is not because to me if we're looking at planning one of the most important things for all of us to consider is where is it available even if you know it's it's it's obviously up to the owner because it's you know volunt

And to go along with that, I think the map would help too with leaving space around the municipalities, because that is our growth area, so that they can expand someday. I know they have their potentially annexed areas, but there's gonna be a point in time when that's all full. And I'm gonna just say from my point of view, I don't wanna see the vision of the county be, oh, we're gonna end up being Owings Mills in Freedom so that we can do this over here, because that's not the view. We gotta look at what everybody's, we're trying to, the city, the town, we all know we're growth areas. but we w

And before we move on, I just want to check to make sure is there any public comment on this item? Alright, hearing none will move on to the next. Thank you everybody. Thank you very much. Alright, item number 12 grant approval to submit application and acceptance of award for the federal 2026 continuum of care.

And I want to thank you. we don't realize how the federal administration, sometimes the state administration drives how we get grants and what we use them for. And this is significant. I mean, when you look at the eight things that HUD's policy priorities for fiscal year 26 are, they're more aligned with Carroll County. I mean, they just are. And it's just, you gotta look, improving outcomes, creating competition to improve innovation, restoring balance of, just prioritizing treatment and recovery, promoting economic self-sufficiency, public safety for all. You look at these things and it's mo

Celine, are you going to play next year?

We'll challenge you, you better get better. We won. I meant the girls. The girls are going to challenge you, not our.

Commissioner Guerin is very quiet over there.

Let's not talk about that. So I think we've had some additional.

I appreciate that. I do want to ask you a quick question since we have you here today. Sure. Has anyone moved into the recovery home for the moms and children yet? Yes, we do.

That is absolutely phenomenal. These all look really, really awesome. Thank you for presenting these to us today. Any comments, questions, or direction from the Board? I'm sorry. Did we make a motion? No, not yet.

So when will we know? When will we know, like, if everything goes forward and take the injunction off and the budget process, is there a certain thing that has to happen?

Thank you. And thank you all the partners. It's very good.

Any other comments, questions, or direction from the board?

Move the board of commissioners approve the submission of the 2026 continuum of care application and accept the award.

Second. We have a motion to move a second. Is there any further discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor? Motion carries unanimously. Thank you all very much. Thank you. Absolutely. All right. Up next, we'll move into the public comment portion of the agenda. Do we have anybody here for public comment? All right. That's a no. Chris, do we have anybody on the line for public comment?

All right, thank you very much. We'll move into admin open. Does anybody have anything for administrative session open today?

I do. I actually have three matters I'd like to raise with everybody this morning. Okay. I'm just going to start in no specific order. First off, as we all know, there's been a lot of conversation in the last 48 hours or so regarding data centers in the state. There's been an executive order from the governor. This board, thankfully, with... all of your support we decided back in about a year ago well February about a year ago to uh uh place a deferral on that which will be coming up uh at the end in February I would like to request that we add an agenda item to next week's agenda to discuss w

So, I mean, Tim, do we need a motion to add something to the agenda because it's brought up in open admin or as long as there's consent from the board to put?

Potentially to go to a public hearing for an extension on the for the data centers.

And can I ask, while we're doing this, it'd be nice to be getting some updates as we go along of what we're learning. Because I keep saying the first thing we need to do is define what it is. I mean, I don't really want to go and I want to extend the deferral, but I want to make sure we are keeping up with what's going on. And maybe we need to be a part of that. Our staff's very busy. So what have we done? Three months ago we put the deferral on. How are we doing? Who's doing it? Do we need more help? Could we collaborate with some other counties? we should at least have our body of knowledge

So Wanda, we'll add that to the agenda for what next week. if we could yeah um secondly i'd also like to request that we had an agenda item next week to discuss the uh creating an updated resolution in regards to recordation taxes because we those were admitted in the 2011 and 2023 resolutions requiring a super majority for commissioners to approve an increase obviously that would require i'm quite sure mr burke a public hearing if we were to move forward on that

Okay, but we would need a public meeting at least.

So the idea would be to create a supermajority to raise recordation taxes if that was a choice that was made by the board at some future date?

Just to have that discussion and potentially move that forward. I mean, obviously, consistency, I think, is always ideal. And like I mentioned, that was omitted from the 2011 and 2023 resolutions. And it just seems to me we should have consistency across the board. If we're going to be looking at taxes, if we're going to look at taxes, let's at least try to be consistent.

We're getting a briefing on that as well, because I'm not familiar with that.

No, no, we'll get a briefing on that. Wanda, that would be another agenda item.

And then I have one additional. Let me just. No, no, it's okay. So just looking ahead at the agenda, we have three items for Priority Carol next week, and then we have ten items. So let me just.

That's a lot lighter. Week two is a lot lighter.

I mean, if need be, we could always put one on next week and one the following. I'm not holding us to that. I'm just asking.

No, no, no. I just want to make sure. I do want to get to that.

I know we have a lot on the upcoming agenda. It's a good topic, so I want to make sure we do.

On some of this stuff, it's possible if we think there needs to be more discussion than just a business meeting, we could have a Tuesday work session on the data set, like two or three things, and just have more of an informal, if that's an easier way than putting it, if we have business meeting stuff to take care of, have it in a different format. If it's going to take more regular discussion. I agree with you. I think they're important. They're very important issues.

And then I have one additional. As we all know and the public knows, we've had significant discussions on planning and zoning concerns, the Freedom Plan and the Master Plan for months now. uh information has come to light to me in the last 24 business hours regarding the county's growth and planning processes as such i'd like to request that we ask staff to begin a process of putting together an advisory group or board that would serve under the direct supervision of the border county commissioners and that that purpose of guiding growth and development the freedom growth area of which two ex-

So what's the thing you want to put on the agenda again?

For what? This could be placed on the agenda within the next, I don't know, it could be a month out. I mean, I'm just saying I'd like us to have a discussion about putting together a planning, an advisory board by the commissioners for the Freedom Area. But I also want to follow up on this discussion of which some information that's come to light in less than 24 hours with all of us.

Okay. So I have no objection to adding that to the agenda. And so maybe Commissioner Gordon, the thing to do would be to, I mean, I guess we would have to go into closed for that instead of a closed legal. So maybe if not next week, the following week. So I guess my, my suggestion would be talk to Tim about what it is that you want to address or bring up. Okay. And then we can decide whether, or then I guess the two of you can make a judgment call about whether you think it should be this coming week or the following week is a closed legal. If that's what it falls under. All right. Anything else for open admin today?

Thanks, Commissioner Gordon. That's good stuff. I appreciate it. I have one more thing. You just brought it to mind. Maybe while we're doing the recordation taxes, I had some questions about the impact fees and how they're – I don't know if you've looked at these lately, but how they're decided, how they're – who they're – I noticed accidentally that they're being charged for these retirement homes in villages. They have the highest – they have the highest impact fee and they have no impact on schools. And I didn't think you could do that. So anyway, I'd just like to understand that while we'r

Good morning, Wanda. It's still morning, Wanda. Good morning, Wanda.

We're getting to the end of it, but we've got a little bit.

All right. So first of all, we have our first week of the week of Monday, September 28th. Monday, September 28th shows nothing on the formal calendar. Tuesday, September 29th, Commissioner Guerin has his chamber breakfast at 8 o'clock a.m. at the Mount Airy Library. And Commissioner Guerin and Kyler are slated to attend. And then the Bench Beside You Community Conversation in Carroll Community College in Westminster at 530 p.m. Wednesday, September 30th, the 2026 Department of Public Works Annual meeting and appreciation event and in-service training day with Commissioner Gordon Thursday.

And where is that? So that's at the Carroll County Agricultural Center in Shipley Arena in Westminster. Check my calendar. Thursday, October 1st, 8 o'clock a.m. Board of County Commissioners closed administrative session followed by open at 9 o'clock a.m. Item number one, Priority Carroll, including the 2026 County Engineers Association of Maryland Engineer of the Year, then the Outstanding Transit System of the Year Award for Ride With Us, and then Cybersecurity Month Proclamation of the Department of Technology Services. Item number two, adoption of a resolution and agreement for procurement

And do you mind if I ask what the leading way for the survivors is? What kind of survivors?

Okay. Thursday, October 8th, 8 o'clock a.m., Board of County Commissioners closed administrative session, followed by open session at 9 o'clock a.m. Item number one, Priority Carol. Item number two, grant approval to submit the FY26 Family Self-Sufficiency Program, a renewal application and acceptance of the award, followed by public comment, administrative session open, and agenda review. Friday, October 9th, shows nothing on the formal calendar. Saturday, October 10th, shows nothing on the formal calendar. And then Sunday, October 11th, I have the podcast. Does anybody have any changes, alte

We have a motion. We have a second. All those in favor? Aye. All those opposed? We are adjourned. Thank you.