Housing and Land Use Committee (2025-2027) - Regular Meeting

Will the reconvene Disaster Recovery International Affairs and Planning Committee meeting of today, September 24th, return to order? This is a recess meeting from September 21, reconvene on the 22nd, 23rd, and now the 24th. If everyone can please silence their cell phones or other noise-making devices, that'll help our cause. Members, in accordance with the Sunshine Law, Please, if you are not in the council chambers, please identify by name who, if anyone, is in the room, vehicle, or workspace with you today. Minors do not need to be identified. Also, please see the last page of the agenda fo

And then circling back around, we have Committee Vice-Chair Nohelani'u-Hodgins. Aloha kakaiaka.

Aloha, Chair. Aloha, everyone. I'm at home. My husband is home, but he's probably going to go to Costco to get some storm prep items. And otherwise, I will soon be home by myself.

Thank you. Okay. And he's not a minor, right?

No, I'm sorry. I keep forgetting to say his name. His name is William Koa Hodgins. Thank you.

Thank you. We also have Council Member Gabe Johnson. Aloha kakaiyaka.

Good morning, Chair, Council Members, community members. I'm here and ready to work. Thank you, Chair.

Thank you. And we also have Council Chair Alice Lee.

Aloha kakahiaka, and if you're going to Vietnam, Southeast Asia, you'd say sin chào. I'm home alone in my workspace. Thank you. Sin chào.

And next up, we have Council Member Kiani Rollins-Fernandez. Sin chào and aloha kakahiaka.

Aloha kakahiaka, Chair. Aloha kakahiaka kakou. I'm at my private residence alone, and it's sunny here. It was really windy when I flew home yesterday, so I thought it was going to continue to be stormy weather, but it's actually nice here right now in Kalanickokai. Mahalo, Chair.

Thank you. I'm sorry, did you say you were alone too? Yes, I'm alone. Perfect. Next up, we have Council Member Shane Sinente. Xin chào and aloha kakahiaka.

Aloha kakahiaka and xin chào, Chair, here at my private residence. I'm here by myself and, yeah, happy to be here.

Thank you, and it says Council Member Yukile Sugimura will be available from 10.30 to 4.30. This meeting of the Disaster Recovery International Affairs and Planning Committee of the Maui County Council is located on the traditional line of the Kanaka'o'iwi who never ceded their sovereignty to the United States. We recognize that Her Majesty Queen Liliuokalani yielded the Hawaiian Kingdom to the U.S. in duress under threat of violence to avoid the bloodshed of her people. We further recognize that Hawai'i remains an illegally occupied nation state by the U.S. as documented in a 2021 scholarly a

Mahalo, Chair. Sure thing. Mahalo, Chair.

Oh, okay. From the Department of Planning, we have Deputy Director Ana Lelis and Senior Planner Karen Koncovich, remote, virtual. From the Department of Environmental Management, we may have Shane Ogawa. We're not sure yet. From the Department of Fire and Public Safety, they're standing by working with MEMA, so they said we might be able to contact them if necessary. We don't have anyone from Management today because storm prep. From Department of Parks and Recreation, we have CIP Coordinator William Frampton. From the Department of Water Supply, we have... Director John Stufflebean from Corpo

Xin chào. I'm at a private office and looking forward to continuing this. Thank you.

Thank you. Okay, to get us in the South Maui community plan mood, I will read the draft South Maui vision statement before we continue on. South Maui's beaches, coastal waters and wetlands are restored and thriving with affordable housing close to good jobs and a variety of transportation options including safe walking and biking paths lined with trees. The region's businesses, parks and neighborhoods are connected, maintaining the small town lifestyle. Cultural resources are protected and celebrated, enhancing South Maui's sense of place. Members, since we had been waiting for Public Works fo

Director Molina, are you available at this moment?

Oh, good morning. Awesome. Let's see. Okay. We're currently on goals, implementing actions for goal 2.3, ready and resilient systems.

Let's see. Let me pull it up real quick. We could go back to where we left off on your guidance, which would be page 114 of the South Maui Community Draft Plan, Action 103. And this one specifically talks about the North-South Collector Road. One thing that had changed throughout the versions, as you can see on page three, attachment 3C, was they took out the slash between Kanani, Ohana, and they made it Kaunani and Ohana, which when I was studying that over the weekend, I saw that Kanani and Ohana Road looks kind of like this. So removing the slash and putting and, we weren't sure if it would

Sure. And then the other part was Kono Ulu Street to North Kihei Road. Chair. Hi. Yes, Member Sugimura. Thank you. Could you again say what page we are on on your spreadsheet? It's on the matrix. It was page three attachment 3C and in the booklet, it's page 114. And we're reviewing with Director Molina action item 1.03 as DPW is the county lead agency and this is the number one priority. We had assumed that the East Belokahao to Halekuai and East Waipuilani to Kaonoulu Street was okay because it looked like those were covered in the maps that were sent to us. But if you see any problem with th

Oh, okay. And then if we said Kanakanui, Kanani, or Aohana, and you get to Aohana, then that will meet what that says? Or do you want us to just say Aohana Road?

Okay. So include segments connecting Ohana Road to Liloa Drive, East Velokahao to Halekua'i Street, East Waipu'ilani Road to Kaono'ulu Street. And do you have plans currently for Kaono'ulu to North Kihei Road? Or can that be left in?

Okay. All right, so hearing back from the director, I'll entertain a motion to amend action item 103. Oh, sorry, before I do that, you're okay with the type being a CIP priority number one, timing mid, lead agency DPW, estimated cost 81 million, county, state, and federal funding. All of that is...

So would it be better to break this into three goals in that case?

And that would be Aohana Road to Liloa Drive.

Okay, would be the first or one of the goals there.

And then the phase, would East Betlakahau to Halekuai Street be another goal?

Okay, why don't you let us know what the three goals segment should be?

Oh, okay. And we'll get back to it. Like not right now. Okay. So we'll wait on that verbiage from you to solidify goal action item 1.03 of how it should be broken up into sections. Planner Komkovic, does that work out for you? Then you guys, when one section is complete, you can check it off and go on to the next section.

So that there's still the one. 1.03 A, B, and C or something. 1.03 is just complete the north-south collector road and then A would be one segment, B would be another segment, C would be another segment or something long or phase or whatever you call it. Yeah, that makes sense. Okay, so Director Molina, when you help us with the verbiage based on what we have in 1.03, if you could have it three subsections, 103A, B, and C, with 1.03 being complete the north-south collector road.

Thank you. Okay, moving on to the next one that we wanted to consult with you on is on page 115 and page 4 of attachment 3C, action number 1.04A and 1.04B. is talking about the Kealia Bypass Road, explore the possibility of using a part of the existing North Kihei Road for a walking and bike path to the Kealia Coastal Boardwalk after the bypass is completed. So my understanding is they were envisioning the bypass going from North Kihei Road to Veterans Highway. or to Kuihelani Highway, but further towards Ma'alaya than North Kihei. And so that's an action item that they had a high priority wit

So maybe 104A can stay as planned, the Kealia Bypass Road. 104B would be develop the Kealia Bypass Road, and we could add a 104C, which would be explore the possibility of using a part of the existing North Kihei Road for a walking and bike path to the Kealia Coastal Boardwalk after the bypass is completed. Would that be your- Yeah, I think that-

Okay, so we'll separate it out into three specific action items. Do you want specific wording to help you for the Plan the Kealia Bypass Road portion of it or just Plan the Kealia Bypass Road?

Each dot for the planning and the development?

Okay. Okay. 250,000 for the planning. Do you think that's sufficient? Uh-huh. As an estimate?

Okay. All right. That being said, I guess I will entertain a motion to amend 1.04 A and B on page 115 of the draft plan to separate it into three separate action items, 1.04 A, 1.04 B, and 1.04 C, with 1.04 A to re-plan the Kealia Bypass Road, type plan priority high, timing long, adding MPO and H dot to the county lead agency, keeping the cost estimate at $250,000 and funding sources county, state and federal. 1.04b would remain as it is, but we would add H dot to the lead agency and we would add a 1.04c that says explore the possibility of using a part of the existing North Kihei Road for a

Director Molina, do you have a preference in how we refer to the State Transportation Agency?

Yes, please. And including any non-substantive revisions and changes as well. Sorry. So friendly, all of that. if it's okay with the maker and the seconder. Okay, any further discussion? Seeing none, everyone in favor, raise your hand and say aye.

Thank you. Okay, the next one for a revisit was page eight of attachment 3C regarding Action item 1.06. Oh, wait, that's not the right one. Sorry. I'm looking for what turned into 1.06. I think it might be page 7.

Yeah, Director Molina. I guess the fundamental question that we have here, this was deleted by the CPAC plan and implement adaptation measures to address the impacts of sea level rise and increased flooding on South Kihei Road. And the question, I guess, is... How much are we planning on adapting the South Kihei Road until the point where we stop defending it, maybe? I think that's why the CPAC deleted this action item. Their preference was to not continue to adapt it and I guess make other plans or commit to other plans and we wanted to get your input, I guess.

This one is where we're moving into action items. And I hear what you're saying is we're going to need to plan how to address traffic impacts when sections of South Kihei Road fail due to sea level rise and increased flooding? Is that a more accurate goal?

Thank you. Okay. And then this 1.06 was originally in the traffic section, like multimodal. But if we're talking about sea level rise, increased flooding, I think the goal or the action item would be better placed in ready and resilient systems. Would you agree?

Okay, so plan and implement adaptation measures to address the traffic impacts due to portions of South Kihei Road failing because of sea level rise and increased flooding. Is that an okay action item?

Derek, can you put it in the chat for Director Molina? And we would move that to Section 4.3 or 4, Goal 3. the type would be, I guess, plan, high priority, long timing. DPW, would MPO be a lead agency as well?

So state, MPO, MEMA, DPW would all be lead agencies. The verbiage is in the chat for you. Do you want to take some time or do you think we could do this, make the motion today?

Maybe traffic and other infrastructure impacts?

Okay, so we're going to strike traffic. I'll entertain a motion to add an action item to ready and resilient systems or 2.3 that would read plan and implement adaptation measures to address the impacts due to portions of South Kihei Road failing because of sea level rise and increased flooding. This would be, uh, plan with high priority long timing county lead agencies would include dpo w mpo state transportation and mima cost would be tbd and funding sources county state and federal motion

Thank you. Sure. So plan and implement adaptation measures to address the impacts due to portions of South Kihei Road failing because of coastal hazards and increased flooding is the friendly amended verbage. Motion made by Member Uu Hodgins, seconded by Member Cook. Any further discussion? Seeing none, all in favor, raise your hand and say aye.

Thank you. Okay, the other revisit that we had was 1.10, which is on page 116 of your booklet and page 10 of attachment 3C. This one says improve McKenna-Alanui and McKenna Road to include a continuous bike lane providing cyclists safe access to McKenna Park. It's a project with high priority, short timing. DPW would be the county lead agency. They estimated the cost at $10,000 to $50,000 with the county being the funding source.

Action number 1.10 on page 116. or page 10 of attachment 3C. This action item came on at the Planning Commission level, I believe, or it was moved by the Planning Commission.

Okay, great. No objection from the members to leaving it as is if that's okay with him. Great, great. Okay, now moving back to where we were. Member Johnson did have a potential action item or policy item that would encourage hotels to strive for LEED certification. Any input from DPW on that, if you prefer it as a policy or a goal, or if you like it or don't like it?

Encourage hotels to strive for LEED certification.

Thank you. Okay. I'll let Member Johnson propose that as either an action or a policy when he's ready, but figured he might want some feedback from you. Director Stuffelbein, did you have some feedback on the lead encouraging of hotels?

Yeah, that's great to know. Thank you so much. Bringing us to where we were in Goal 2.3, page 127, we were looking at action items 3.01 and 3.05 as being pretty similar. And if they could be combined into one, We might still need to talk to Environmental Management. It seems that the Water Department and the Parks Department have already done a vulnerability assessment. Parks is separated into community plan regions, Water Department not so much. Has Public Works already conducted a vulnerability assessment? for county infrastructure and facilities in South Maui that are either within the SLRE

It was pointed out to us by Planner Komkowicz that some things do need to be in high-risk areas, like lifeguard towers or pump stations.

Thank you. And, um, do you have it in the form of broken out by community plan area?

Okay, so... You have no problem with the wording in 3.01. We might change instead of within the Slorexa to likely to be impacted by coastal hazards. And the preference is to go with 3.01 and delete 3.05.

Okay, thank you so much. Okay, members, that being said, I guess I will entertain a motion. to amend page 127.3.01 to say, something with non substantive changes in revisions to the effect, assemble a detailed vulnerability assessment of all existing counting infrastructure and facilities in South Maui that are likely to be impacted by coastal hazards, period. Determine if relocation, retrofitting, or protective measures are needed. Coordinate with the state as needed. Integrate the assessment findings into current and future plans and projects as applicable. Establish an adaptive management p

Since we have Director Molina, I know that we already passed some of these, but I just wanted to run some of them by you that we already passed that involve your department since we didn't have you here yesterday. Action item 2.02 on 120. and 2.03 Public Works was the lead agency on implementing streetscape beautification through an adoption program for trees, sidewalks, street frontages, and intersections. and creating a program to keep roads safe, beautiful and litter-free through adoption programs, litter campaigns and increased enforcement. We added the Department of Management to assist y

Okay. Director Agawa, any objection to adding environmental management to action item 2.03 on 120, which is create a program to keep roads safe, beautiful, and litter-free through adoption programs, litter campaigns, and increased enforcement?

Okay, thank you. I'll entertain a motion to add DEM to the county lead agencies for action item 2.03 on 120. Moved by Member Cook, seconded by Member Johnson. Any further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor, raise your hand and say aye.

We ended up passing 2.22a on page 124, and we did add DPW to one of the county lead agencies. I think we put encourage parking lot trees that fall under MCC chapter 19.36 B 080 landscaping to be adequately maintained to provide a minimum of 50% canopy coverage. So we went from require to encourage and we will revisit making the change in the code at a later time. Lead agencies, we had Planning Department, Department of Management, MPO, DPW, and DPR. Do you have any issue with that, Director Molina?

Yeah, I think the main change was we went from require to encourage about parking lot trees. And then we understand that if we feel strongly about it, strongly enough about the verbiage about the canopy cover being 50% where the appropriate action would be to change the code to say that. So in the community plan, we're putting encourage instead of require and adding along with MPO, DPW, DPR management and planning.

Okay, then we can put it back to require, if that's your understanding.

Okay, so we'll wait to go through the bill as the mechanism to require then. 2.23. Staff, did you have the verbiage we worked out for 2.23?

Can you put that in the chat for us? And we're okay with the screen sharing. Thank you. We figure Public Works has one arborist and Parks and Recreation may get an arborist pretty quick here. Any comments on the draft verbiage about providing training workshops for landscapers and arborists annually in South Maui on maintaining full canopy trees? The previous language was work with Maui County arborists to provide training for arborists on maintaining full canopy trees. And this is what it kind of became. Lead agencies would be Public Works, Parks and Rec, and Department of Management.

Thank you. So in addition to the Maui County arborists, work with the Maui County arborist and arborist committee? Correct. Okay. And Mr. Frampton, does that sound all right to you?

We're working on Action 2.23, and it would say, work with Maui County Arborists and the Arborist Committee to provide training workshops for landscapers and arborists annually in South Maui on maintaining full canopy trees. We have Parks and Rec, Public Works, and Department of Management as county lead agencies.

Okay, great. I will entertain a motion to amend action item 2.23 on page 125 to say work with Maui County Arborists and the Arborist Committee to provide training workshops for landscapers and arborists annually in South Maui on maintaining full canopy trees and adding to county lead agency D. P. R. And D. O. M. In addition to D. P. W. Moved by a member cook seconded by a member Johnson. Any further discussion? Seeing none all in favor raise your hand and say aye.

Okay, I think we can get back on track here. Those were the main ones that we wanted to revisit with Public Works. On the policies for Public Works, you were still working with folks on the GULCH language. and other items that we discussed earlier. I think some folks were gonna get together planning and public works on the policies regarding culture setbacks and low impact design. So that's still ongoing with you folks, right?

Okay, cool. Cool. And member Cook is still working with Mr. Kalani cow about the moving of resources between locals and how that gets consulted on before it happening or pre pre approval in in disaster situations. Right, Mr. Cook. Okay. Remember, Lee, were you raising your hand?

have a question for a member um mr molina i think he mentioned with regard to gulch's i thought he had mentioned at the last meeting that he supported the provision in the west maui community plan as an adequate um uh to to be inserted in the south maui community plan but he just said that he's still working on it so but I just wanted a verification that it's true that he did talk about and encourage us to use the West Maui Community Plans language. Mr. Molina?

Okay, great. So where we left off yesterday was on action item 3.15. And that corresponds to... page 42 of attachment 3C. This is develop a community-based disaster preparedness plan for South Maui that includes consideration of MEMA's hazard mitigation plan to create a proactive disaster coordination framework. The project type, high priority, short timing. MIMA would be the lead agency, cost is $150,000. We know that MIMA is in partial activation or preparation mode. How would the members like to address these resiliency and disaster preparedness action items that involve MIMA, do we want to

Thank you, Chair. I'm happy to send to Mima the items, because like you always say, we don't really like to tell the departments what to do. It's better to work with them. But I do have a request for action item 3.17, where it begins with identify additional emergency evacuation routes in and out of South Maui, and it goes on. I'm wondering if we could ask them their thoughts on to... Add after identify and develop and where possible develop or develop where possible additional emergency evacuation routes more than just identify.

Sure, sure. I had been talking with Mr. Hart before this meeting started. He's with the Office of Recovery. And he was also going to work on some verbiage about securing or establishing counties' rights to emergency access routes. including mauka routes or any and all routes, because I guess of his experience in opening the route during the tsunami evacuation time. And so he was going to work on some specific verbiage and try to get it to us as well. So we can send that over to Mima. additionally, because there are routes and we could get access, but we'd rather secure the access, I think, bef

Can I ask, Chair, to your earlier point too, do we want to send it to OOR or is that included under management?

Oh, good point. Mr. Jackson, are you aware if OOR, who do they fall under or would they be their own agency that we should consult with?

Thank you, Chair. I would say stating Department of Management is fine. We're very integrated between the Office of Recovery and the MD's office. Yeah.

Thank you. Okay. Member Uhuha-Jins, does that answer all of your opportunity?

Yeah, sorry. I took off my glasses and then I couldn't see where the mic is. But yes, that's fine. Thank you.

Okay. Ms. Komkowicz, did you have something to add?

Okay. Yeah. Maybe send the ones that we have that says MIMA to MIMA and OOR for any comment or feedback. Member Rollins-Fernandez?

Hello, Chair. Okay. Another example that you used was a tsunami. And so I was looking at this tsunami evacuation map for Kihei to Kealia. And, you know, we had talked about education, so helping folks understand that you just need to get to higher ground, not necessarily leave Kihei. And looking at the map, there's a lot of areas that wouldn't need to evacuate because they're not in the tsunami evacuation zone. And I don't know if... for tsunami, if having a clear area, like a road, but just having an area for folks to go that's North, uh, or mocha of the. Evacuation zone might also be.

Signage signage would be, um, my suggestion on that, like, um, you know, growing up around kill. They, uh, have like. mark the emergency evacuation path. And for educational purposes, signage can be placed when you're outside of the extreme tsunami inundation area or regular tsunami inundation area. So if that area can be delineated on a map. I don't know if you want to do just regular tsunami or extreme tsunami inundation area and have signage and saying once you pass this road or whatever it is, everything mauka of this sign, you are out of the extreme tsunami inundation area. That way, we h

Like, everywhere. It looks like that's, like, where the evacuation zone ends for everybody is P.E. Lenny Highway. And then, like, the more south you go, like, Kama'ole area, like... Only the very, it's south of South Kihei Road or Makai of South Kihei Road is the only evacuation zone. And everything Malka of South Kihei Road, Kamakamaole, you know, one, two, and three is not evacuated. an evacuation zone. Anyway, but yes, I agree with signage. I agree with education. And, you know, perhaps just like having, you know, creating routes out of, you know, Kihei isn't like the only, you know, soluti

or designated evacuation sites in terms of tsunami. I mean, nobody said on West Maui where it is, but everyone just gravitates to the Kapalua Airport or, you know, whatever. So, yeah, I'd be open to entertaining an additional action item along those lines if you'd like. Member Cook?

Thank you, Chair. I would like to incorporate Member Uhun's suggestion, identify and develop. Yeah, because I think that basically this is working with the landowners, and they've expressed a desire to, and if we put it in here, that's just sort of paves the way for... It documents what's already happening, emergency management's working with the landowners, but I think putting that in here is beneficial.

Okay, so we'll try to pull out the MIMA ones, including identify and develop if nobody has any objection to adding identify and develop for action 3.17. Okay. And then, did you have verbiage ready to go for additional action item, Member Rollins-Fernandez?

Sure. I think maybe your suggestion of like evacuation sites. I'm just looking at like the public facilities that could be already used, such as the school, such as the community center, you know, like all those areas that maybe could be designated.

So like identify evacuation sites for in case of a tsunami that are outside of the tsunami inundation zone to potentially include education and signage or something along those lines. Yes. Incorporating any non-substantive changes and revisions. It could be a project with You want high priority?

That's what I heard from the community when we went there.

Timing could potentially be ongoing since we're educating. Lead agency can be MEMA, cost, TBD, funding sources, county, state, federal.

Yep, especially if the sites already exist. Aren't we also planning a park near the police station? Because that's also above the evacuation zone, so that could also be a site. We have 150 acres.

Yeah. And then I guess maybe Kilohana Park too. Yep, exactly. So we have a motion made by Member Rollins-Fernandez. Staff, can you read what you got down incorporating any non-substantive changes and revisions? Yes.

Do we have a second for this action item? Seconded by Member Sinensi. Any further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor, raise your hand and say aye.

Okay, and we'll send this action item along with the tranche that we sent to MEMA for their feedback too, just so that we can get feedback from them. I'm gonna skip 3.15, 3.16, 3.17 because those are all MEMA and we can revisit once we hear back from them. 3.18, Mr. Jackson, and the corresponding matrices is on page 44. This looks like a CPAC original. Mr. Kanahele, do you have any background information for us on page 44, attachment 3C, action item 3.17? identify areas where impediments need to be removed for emergency evacuation routes out of areas with limited and restricted egress, develop

Okay, since I think we still have Director Molina on the line, I think his department oversees the North-South Collector Road. In particular, when we went to the site visit, We thought we were going to go stand in the hot sun on the undeveloped side, but they said no. So we got the shade of the plumaria tree, which was lovely. Director Molina, you know, if you're still there.

Shucks. Let's revisit that when he's available because it's a really timely question with us expecting heavy rains and knowing how South Maui gets affected. Member Johnson.

Chair, could we request a short recess for the morning break?

Oh, good idea. Maybe we can get him back on when we return. Do members have a preference? 10, 5, 15, 10. All right. So we'll return at 10.35 from a morning recess. Thank you to the members and the public for that recess. It's now 1046 and the DRIP committee is reconvening since many of our other resources are on a planning meeting due to the impending storm. Thank you. It's not raining yet. We thought we could revisit some of the language between planning and Corp Council that we skipped over yesterday. Ms. Komkowicz, did you have reworked language for action item 3.03? Otherwise, we can go on

Okay, so 3.03 was a revisit for planning. It said develop and provide on page 128, regional and site specific. proactive guidance on managed relocation strategies to owners of at-risk properties in South Maui. Identify environmental conditions to support site-specific management planning as well as legal and policy needs to facilitate implementation and address barriers. Did you need more time to work on that one?

Moving ahead, Deputy Corporation Counsel Nahulu Nunakawa said he did have some reworked languages for action items 3.10 and 3.11 on page 129. Lay it on us, Nunakawa.

Mr. Ramirez, could you put page 40 up? We're looking at what turned into 3.10 and 3.11. It started out as 3.09. So it would be page 40 of Attachment 3C, those bottom two ones. Okay. Sorry, Mr. Nunokawa, go ahead with the proposed language instead of what you see under 3.10 here. Introduce legislation to ensure the...

Introduce legislation to ensure landowner compliance with the 2024 Community Wildfire Protection Plan for South Maui. Okay, I have no problem with that. Would all of the other type priority timing remain the same?

Okay. So on page 129 for action item 310, I will entertain a motion to amend what's written to say, introduce legislation to ensure, sorry, staff, can you read what it was for us?

I'll entertain a motion to say that. Instead, moved by Member U'uhauden, second by Member Batangan, any further discussion on Action Item 3.10? Seeing none, everyone in favor, raise your hand and say aye.

Thank you. Okay. Any revised language for us for 3.11?

Okay. And then no changes for the rest, like priority timing, lead agency, cost and funding.

Okay, cool. So, um, on page 129, I will entertain a motion to amend action 3.11 to see implement the 2024 South only community wildfire protection plan period. Moved by Member Cook, seconded by Member Sugimura. Any further discussion on that one? Seeing none, all those in favor, raise your hand and say aye.

Do we have Director Molina at this time? Is he still on hold?

So we were on 3.18. We'll move on to 3.19. Mr. Jackson, are you on? Oh, right on, Mr. Jackson. So 3.19 is something that we have been doing in the budgets. It just says develop or partner to create resiliency hubs appropriate for the South Maui community. It's a project with medium priority, short timing. Lead agencies are Department of Management and MEMA. Cost is at $1.5 million. and funding sources, county, federal, and private. Any feedback for us on that action item, Mr. Jackson?

Thank you, Chair. Just a question on the funding. Is that, is there any, I guess, how did the 1.5 million number come about? Sure. Is that for multiple years?

Planner Komkowicz, question on the funding. Do you know the answer?

And so this is for multiple community hubs. Is it over a span of time? I don't know if they'd all be created at one time. If you create one and then maybe another one down the line and then the cost is spread out over the years and hubs that are created kind of

Oh, good idea. Ongoing. Does that sufficiently address your question, Mr. Jackson?

Yeah, I think. Thank you, Chair. I think, um, there's a lot that will go into that number depending on what we decide to do. And I know that MIMA plays a critical role in our partnerships with community resiliency hubs. So I know MIMA may have feedback on that, but I don't have any concerns with the language.

Okay, so I will just entertain amendment. on page 131 to change the timing for action item 3.19 to ongoing. Motion made by?

Member Johnson, seconded by Member Cook. Any further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor, raise your hand and say aye.

3.2 talks about identifying existing public rights of way to plant native trees and ground covers and establish native seed banks appropriate for the microclimate to mitigate potential disasters. This is a project with high priority ongoing timing The county lead agency is DPW, cost to be determined, and county, state, and private would be the funding sources. I can see DPW identifying the public rights of where somebody else probably could plant ground cover, trees, native seed banks. etc but i don't envision that they would be the ones doing that work members in nc

Mahalo Chair, if we could refer to Mr. Kanahele for what was there, the CPAC's intention. I wasn't sure. My question for him, are there any state properties, like open state properties in the South Maui area? Thank you.

Okay. Mr. Kanahele, did you hear the question from Mr. Sinensi?

And I think part of it too is the intention from CPAC, who would do the planting and establishing the native seed bank.

Oh yeah, I love seeing poor Hina Hina in the wild. Ms. Komkowicz, did you have your hand up to also respond to Member Sinensi?

Got it, got it. We knew what you meant. Remember Johnson?

Thank you, Chair. You know, that's what Ms. Kamkiewicz mentioned was an important part of what I was going to bring up. The first section of the sentence seems to me, yeah, DPW working with, you know, some nonprofit, but also the establishment of native seed banks, to me, sounds right up the Department of Agriculture's alley. And how nice would that be? We have two directors working together with a nonprofit. Hey, now we're really cooking. So I think that would be something I would like to maybe amend if the body would be supportive and if our resources would support that too.

Ms. Komkovic, do you think that sounds good to you? To add MDOE as a partner lead agency?

If you want to make your motion now, I can entertain it.

Okay. I move to add Maui County Department of Agriculture and other county lead agency under 3.20.

Moved by Member Johnson, seconded by Member Sinensi. Any further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor, raise your hand and say aye.

Thank you. I think that does enhance 3.20. 3.21, Mr. Ramirez, if you can put for us page 45 of Attachment 3C. It looks like this is a CPAC original. Oh, his clicker is not clicking. Sorry for the technical difficulties. But it would say, identify public areas to implement agroforestry, focusing on canoe plants to promote food security and practical use materials. Develop a long-term plan for use with zero waste. And it's a high program. high-priority program, ongoing timing, and it would be Department of Parks and Recreation with a $250,000 cost and funding sources. Mr. Frampton, anything you'

Sounds good to me. So the only real amendment you're asking for is for MDOE to be added to the lead agency?

Great. That said, I'll entertain a motion to amend action item 3.21 on page 131 to add MDOE Maui Department of Agriculture as a county lead agency. Moved by Member Sugimura, seconded by Member Sininti. Any further discussion? All those in favor, raise your hand and say aye.

Thanks. Okay. Moving on to action item 3.22. This looks like Maui Planning Commission initiated action item. Ms. Komkowicz verifying that DM should have been MOD in the county lead agency or wanting the Department of Management. to oversee retrofit of existing buildings that serve as emergency shelters to enhance hurricane protection area and fire resistive standards.

This one talks about retrofitting existing buildings. I'm not sure if it was Member Johnson or another member that talked about building new buildings to the same... criteria, would that be a separate goal or should it say retrofit existing buildings and build new structures or something? Or should they be two separate action items?

Oh, great point. Thank you. Sounds good. And the DM can be a non-substantive change because that was an error, right? Mr. Nunakawa, did you have something to add?

So retrofit existing buildings when practicable?

retrofit appropriate existing buildings that serve as emergency shelters or retrofit existing buildings where practicable. I'll leave it up to the members on your preference of verbiage. We can incorporate non-substantive changes and revisions if you're worried about the language not being pretty enough. But would you prefer as appropriate or as practicable or when practicable? We don't care. Nobody cares. Okay. Member Johnson.

Seeing that most of the body doesn't care, I'm going to talk about the other word in the sentence that says the enhanced hurricane protection area. i looked in the definitions and i didn't see it and you can correct me if i'm wrong so i googled it and it says an enhanced hurricane protection area is a specially designed and reinforced section of a public building meant to act as a safe storm shelter during severe tropical storms and hurricanes

Yeah, those are like, I think they're commonly known as EHPA standards. So like you have EHPA, I think the most common one and what we're retrofitting the Civic Center to is EHPA level three, which could withstand a category three hurricane. um i had had conversations about going to the max level five because um during 2018 that's what we were looking down as a category five hurricane um that turned into a firestorm um and there was no category five shelters um what i was told is to build to category five standards um requires so much um reinforcement that the workable usable area for everyday

And we're mentioning this in the context of county buildings, yes?

It doesn't specify, so Ms. Komkowicz, are we talking about this specifically within county buildings or any?

Do we need to specify that in here or it's assumed?

retrofit existing county buildings as applicable that serve as emergency shelters to enhanced hurricane protection area and fire resistive standards? Is applicable okay?

Interchangeable with appropriate, applicable and county. Okay. Mr. Jackson, if you're still on, did you want to add any other lead agency like NEMA or anything or DPW?

I think MEMA would be appropriate. I know these, I mean, this is, you know, multiple different building inventories, but MEMA operationally is the one that's tracking

A lot of my shelters are civic structures too, which is parks. Mr. Frampton, do you want to jump into the fray as a co-lead agency?

Okay, then. With that being said, I'll entertain an amendment on page 131 to action item 3.22 to amend the language to state retrofit county, or sorry, retrofit existing county buildings as applicable that serve as emergency shelters to enhance hurricane protection area and fire resistive standards. And to add to Department of Management, MEMA and Department of Public Parks and Recreation.

Moved by Member Johnson, seconded by Member Sinensi. Any further discussion? Seeing none, everyone in favor, raise your hand and say aye.

Nice. Okay, moving right along. Mr. Ogawa or Director Ogawa, are you on? Oh, awesome. Let's do the three DEM ones just in case Mr. Ogawa gets called away from us. So those would be 3.23, 3.25, and 3.27, starting with 3.23. It started out as a planning draft, as you can see, minimal changes at the CPAC level to say, you know, where they focus on the largest users of potable water. And then minimal changes for drafting guidelines. So the end result becomes identify and encourage additional users of recycled water including parks, golf courses, agriculture, and new development. with a focus on th

Okay. Ms. Komkowicz, is there a reason this wasn't included in Appendix H as a CIP?

So are you suggesting it be split up into two action items?

Yes. Okay. And the split would be at the expand. So the first part would be project and the second part would be CIP.

Okay. Director Ogawa, do you agree with that? Splitting it up into two action items at expand being the second action item, which would be a CIP?

Great. Thank you so much. Member Rollins-Fernandez?

Mahalo, Chair. I could be supportive of Director Agawa's suggestion. In the beginning part, or I guess the CPAC added with a focus on the largest users of potable water. I think perhaps it should be explicitly said that the intention is to replace the potable water usage with recycled water. It's implied, but it should be explicitly said so that it is a goal, it is part of the action item and not just the unsaid intention behind it.

That might be the reason we have Mr. Stufflebean with his hand raised. Do you want to hear from him?

So chair in that sense, it might be separate. This might be its own as we're like explaining it and the other be its own.

So a couple of questions on the split. Would the cost go to the expansion portion and the identifying portion would be kind of not applicable. You don't have an additional cost to identify and encourage. So we could put all the costs on the CIP project. If we included in appendix H, What would be the ranking? Because appendix H ranks priority by number would be some of the questions. And then the verbiage of specific, okay, Ms. Komkiewicz.

Yes, please. And then the comment about explicitly stating replacing potable water with recycled water, are we envisioning that for the first part of the split or the second part of the split?

The first part, but it looks like Director Ogawa has the suggestion.

Would the department be able to split focus? Like you said, you're targeting the largest users, but we also want to address the low-hanging fruit, the ones that are nearest to the distribution. So could we focus on both? And then either of those, whichever happens first, is okay because we do want to address the largest users and we do also want to pick the low-hanging fruit.

Okay, good, because I like to try and see if we can keep CPAC's words if possible. Member Rollins-Fernandez.

I'll try. Identify and encourage new recycled water users that have the highest potential to offset potable water use.

I like it. Director Ogawa, you okay with that?

Director Stufflebean, you okay with that? You might have lost him.

Thank you. And Mr. Kanahele, is that amenable to you folks?

Okay. So I'll entertain a motion exactly as read by Member Rollins-Fernandez to replace action 3.23. We'll keep project, we'll keep high... We'll keep on going. We can add DWS to the lead agency and for cost on identifying, I think it's NA and funding sources, NA. Staff, did you get the language that Member Rollins-Fernandez read? Okay. Do you mind repeating it for the motion?

Identify and encourage new recycled water users that have the highest potential to offset potable water use.

Got it. Thank you. Just double-checking. So motion made by Member Rollins-Fernandez, second by Member Sinensi. Any further discussion on the first part of this action item? All those in favor, raise your hand and say aye.

Okay. And then next, we'll add... another number because we're taking out 3.27. So I'll entertain a motion to amend page 132 by striking action item 3.27 and inserting a new 3.24 and renumbering. The new 3.24 would read, expand recycled water storage and distribution in South Maui to support new customers and increase overall use. The type would be a CIP and it would also be added on Appendix H. Pending priority number from Ms. Komkowicz. Priority would be high. Timing ongoing. Lead agencies can be DEM and Department of Water Supply. Cost, we can stay with the estimate of $25 million. And fund

For 3.27, it called out different techniques in addition to reuse, such as scalping facilities, natural earth, filtering systems,

So just the two. I don't know if that was something really important to the CPAC. It looks like 3.27 was originated by the CPAC. Maybe if we could have Mr. Kanahele just speak to those two things.

Scalping facilities and natural earth filtering systems. Mr. Kanahele, did you have any input as to the importance of CPAC on those techniques? We can also hear from Director Ogawa on his feedback if you'd like to hear that first.

Sure. And then I guess for the natural earth filtering systems, I'm guessing one of the issues is going to be the new NPDES permit, the uncertainty of Department of Health and what all those requirements will be.

So you want to hear from Director Ogawa? Yes, please. Okay, go ahead, Director Ogawa.

Mahalo, Director Agawa. I guess we can hear from, oh, Director Staffobeen.

We love hearing that kind of stuff. It's music to our ears.

And then if we could hear from Mr. Kanahele if the scalping facility and natural earth filtering system is something that was important to be named as examples.

Mahalo, Chair. Since neither director have an issue with including it, I'd be happy to include it for CPAC and especially since there's no issue with the NPDES permit.

Okay, so friendly amendment to the proposed amendment to say expand recycled water storage and distribution in South Maui. including scalping facilities and natural earth filtering systems to support new customers and increase overall use. Does that sound okay, Director Ogawa?

So maybe natural earth filtering systems were applicable?

Yeah, yeah. We were leaving expand recycled water storage without specifying ponds and lagoons. Storage and distribution in South Maui including scalping facilities, natural earth and natural earth filtering systems as applicable to support new customers and increase overall use is the friendly friendly amendment. Member Cook.

Thank you, Chair. I just wanted to weigh in that my conversations with the general managers in Wailea, they are requesting R1, asking when they can get it. So that aspect of it, it's expensive to get down there, but the amount of water that would be freed up, the amount of potable water, as well as the fact that we have ready and willing customers just reinforces my desire to get that done.

Good discussion. I did see Mr. Nunokawa looking at me. Did you have something you wanted to say?

As applicable. Okay, cool. We're vibing over here. Any further discussion? No? Okay. All those in favor, raise your hand and say aye.

Okay, we're gonna skip the old 3.24 for now and go to 3.25 on page 132. Thank you, Mr. Ramirez. This looks like a CPAC original. Conduct a feasibility study to determine if RO potable use is an additional viable water source option for South Maui. It's a project medium priority long-term timing. DEM would be the lead agency and they're giving you 250,000 of county, state, federal or private dollars. Director Agawa, any feedback for us on this action item?

Do you have a recommended amount, estimated amount? Thank you. Okay. Hearing that feedback, I would I'm just throwing this out here before I'm entertaining it so we can wordsmith it together. But once state regulations allow for RO potable reuse, conduct a feasibility study to determine if this is an additional viable water source option for South Maui.

So more along the lines as state regulations as the regulations are developed, conduct the feasibility study to determine if our zero portable reuse is an additional viable water source option for South money. So. That's better. Okay. I will entertain a motion to amend page 132 action item 3.25 to read as state regulations are developed, conduct the feasibility study to determine if our zero potable reuse is an additional viable water source option for South Maui. This would be a Project type with medium priority, long timing. Lead agencies, we can add Department of Water Supply and amend the

Fabulous. Okay, the next two are DWS, so action item 3.24 on 132, I believe. You folks already did some of this work. It's conduct a feasibility study to determine if a modern desalinization facility is a viable water source option for South Maui. So you have started some outreach on this. Do we need to keep this as an action item?

Okay. And then so the type would be project, the priority medium, timing long, DWS lead agency, the estimated cost at $250. Do you think that's reasonable at this time?

Okay. So along the lines of continue studying the feasibility?

I'll entertain a motion to amend page 132 action item 3.24 to read continue to study the feasibility

10 to 20 years in a worst case scenario, 30 like right now. Okay. So what are members thoughts of inclusion of a pilot program? Mr. Kanahele, was a pilot program considered for either the R0 or the desal option?

Mr. Nunakawa, do you have any advice for us on the potential of adding in a pilot program?

I do see Planner Komkowicz's hand up. Did you have something to add for us?

Okay. Is that a direction that this body would like to go in supporting a pilot project for desal for South Maui? We did hear some pushback when I attended the West Maui desal about more information needed about geology. but I'm hoping because this isn't West Maui, I guess. I mean, Member Rollins-Fernandez.

Mahalo, Chair. Same. I know I live on Molokai and this is where I'm from, but we're responsible to represent all of Maui County. I am not supportive of desal plant in general. So I know this was supported by the CPAC, and I hear that there was pushback. So instead of support, maybe explore. I think I could support explore. And mahalo, Director Staffelbeam, for all your work on this. We can agree to disagree.

I mean, I'd be more supportive of pilot R0. I don't know then, which is weird. Um, if we're talking about levels of support, but, um, yeah, uh, I did team member Lee's hand up.

Well, since we've been asking CPAC there. their opinions all along and Mr. Kanaheli is not opposed to it. I would use the word support. Thank you.

I asked him and he said they didn't discuss the idea of a pilot program. Do you have opinions on support or explore for a pilot program?

Demonstration facility. Okay. So we were, demonstration facility. So we were entertaining a motion to amend page 132, including any non-substantive changes and revisions for action item 3.24 to read continue to study the feasibility of a modern desalinization of the, sorry, continue to study the feasibility of the viability. I did say non-substantive changes in revision so they can pretty it up. of the viability of a modern desalinization facility as a viable water source option for South Maui, including the exploration of a demonstration facility. and changing the cost estimate to $500,000, i

Oh, it's desalination, not desalinization. Desalinization.

Modern desalination facility. Maybe can you read that back to us what we had?

Maybe let's strike that first viable part. And then that's the, and then 500,000 cost estimate revision is the motion I'm entertaining at this time. Moved by Member Cook. Seconded by Member Lee. Any further discussion? Member Johnson.

Teacher, I have a question for Director Steffens. So, you know, people brought up the discussion of the brine and it sounds like maybe that might be considered like a pollutant or something. So maybe the Department of PPNS might want to have something involved in a conversation is but it's your you're the subject matter Maybe you can explain it to us in a layman's terms is would you need help? Removing the brine with another department or is that something you guys all have under the umbrella of a desalination plan?

I thought the the feasibility that I attended Thought about re-injecting that was that I

That's something that I would love to have the environmental guys take a look at. That's the debate, I guess.

Director Stuffelbein, did you have an answer for Member Johnson?

Member Johnson, were you suggesting that as having environmental management as a co-lead? Would the maker and the seconder object to a friendly amendment to including Department of Environmental Management as a co-lead agency? I guess maybe Director Azar. Director Ogawa, are you okay with co-leading this item with Director Stufflebean?

Okay. Member Cook and Member Lee, are you okay with that amendment? Okay. Okay. So, Member Johnson, are you done with your discussion? Thank you so much, Chair. Thank you, Member. Okay. Member Lee, followed by Member Rollins.

I like the idea that this is a demonstration project. And as the director said, this is to explore, investigate and study impacts as well as mitigated measures. And this is important for the future. So we shouldn't be trying to think of all the things that could go wrong right now without knowing all the facts, because this is again, not for us, but it's for the future. Thank you.

Mahalo, Chair. So I believe in our traditional value of living within our means. And so I think my follow-up question for maybe Director Staffobeen is, would desal be just for like backup water, like just redundancy, or would the intention be for new water users?

Mahalo, Director Stoffelbein. I guess my other concern is then there could be a tendency to then overly rely on desal instead of what we should be doing, which is recharging our aquifer by planting trees, by properly maintaining our watershed. That should be more of our focus than trying to just make water and then figure out what to do with the toxic brine. My understanding, there's been discussion of using the brine in wastewater treatment. I don't know if that was something that was discussed in the outreach.

Okay. OK, there's probably a better word, but it's definitely not healthy. OK, so and then my other understanding is that it would be pulling water from like brackish wells, like not like ocean, but like. And if that's what's gonna be happening, then that's gonna pull groundwater discharge from along the shoreline. And we just adopted an action item yesterday, or maybe the other day, that intended to protect cultural practices along the shoreline. And part of the cultural practices we discussed limu native limu and native limu won't grow without fresh water and so if we're going to be sucking

Any further discussion from another member? Any other members? Second, final? Oh, Boko. I thought you were supportive of this.

No, but I know one person who's not. I'm supportive. I'm voting yes. Just making it easier. Are you speaking for me?

We can do whatever this group wants to do, I guess. So then in that case, roll call, please.

Sir Chair, this is for the pilot for DeSalle.

We like to refer it as a demonstrative facility, but yes.

Since Chair Lee said that I guess I got a vote, no.

You don't need to listen to Charlie. You vote however you'd like to vote. But I think that was a no. Was it a no?

Well, you know, since we have the option, I'll go with no.

Thank you members um would you also like to have the exploration of a demonstrated facility for our zero director stuff will be or is that too fast, yes okay yeah. I'm entertaining a motion to amend page 132 on page 3.25 to further amend it. So moved. Explore demonstrative facility. So moved. and any non-substantive changes and revisions to get the point across. Moved by Member Leach, seconded by Member Cook. So we had already amended this one to include Department of Water Supply and the dollar amount. We're just including now, explore the possibility of a demonstrative facility. Any further

All in favor, raise your hand and say aye. Aye.

Alrighty then. Okay. With that being said, it's time for lunch.

Director Stuffelbein, we have one more DWS item on this section. Should we just do it so that he doesn't need to come back for this? I mean, well, the next one is Maokai to Makai, but we'll finish out this section if that's okay with the members for DWS. The 3.26 talks about in partnership with the State Department of Land and Natural Resources, update the drought management plan and implement priority actions for South Maui. This is a project type, medium-high priority, short timeframe. Lead agency would be Department of Water Supply and dollar amount estimate is $75,000. Funding sources are

Okay, great, great. That was fast, no changes recommended. And I will let you guys loose for lunch now that I worked up you guys' appetite so hard. We'll come back at 1.30.

Chair, as a reminder, I'll be back around 2.30. Thank you.

Well, the DRIP committee meeting of September 2024 reconvene from September 2021, return to order from lunch recess. The time is now 1.32. We left off on page 133 of our draft booklet and action number 3.28. As we can see, this looks like a sea pack. initiative action item for the planning department, minor revisions for drafting guidelines to save fund and hire staff to investigate and conduct random spot checks to proactively inspect for compliance with policies and actions through defined checkpoints, and 100% enforcement when non-compliant. This would be a program with high priority, mid-t

Oh, okay. Ms. Komkowicz, any remarks on action item 3.28? I don't know if any of the other members understand what we're doing in this action item, but I'm not sure. Neither does member Cook, no.

Like, you mean like conditions as a change in zoning type of thing?

That's what my mom said. Okay, so we're checking to see when policies and action items need to be enforced, that they are enforced. And 100% enforcement when non-compliant. Okay. Mr. Kanahele, do you feel that Ms. Kamkowicz adequately described the intention of the CPAC here? Or did you have more to add, Ms. Komkowicz? I see your hand up.

Not while I was driving. I think I appear like a very safe driver. But I have been in the car when others have been pulled over. I don't know what that says about their driving, but I've been in a car when it's been pulled over.

Well, believe me, I understand the frustration. Yeah.

So kind of like a compliance officer or something?

Compliance. If you're in compliance, you know. Checkpoint, got it. Sorry. Oh, that's where the verbiage checkpoint came from. I got it, I got it. All right, Ms. Komkovic? Was that a legacy hand up?

Oh, okay. So our action item 3.28 on page 133 reads fund and hire staff to investigate and conduct random spot checks to proactively inspect for compliance. with policies and actions through defined checkpoints and 100% enforcement when non-compliant. This would be a program with high priority mid-timing. The lead agency would be the planning department. The cost is to be determined and the funding source would be the county.

I don't know that it's just limited to zoning. I think it's with policies and action items as well in the community plan.

for the policy side too much, or do they also check on the policies?

I mean, I guess I thought that was why we were making the language more softer, like in some areas, encourage versus require. I thought that was, I mean, if we're not enforcing it, should we then move it back to require? Would you like our attorney to weigh in?

Mr. Nunakawa, do you have any guidance or advice for the body?

Like something like dedicate time and staff to ensure compliance with the community, South Maui community plan.

I'll change the subject question for Deputy Lillis. Would this be a potential position that would need to be created?

Thank you. Do you think as a follow-up it would require a reorg?

Oh, okay. I love not having to do a reorg. Member Cook?

Thank you, Chair. I grasp the intent of the CPAC. I think we've all experienced projects being planned, even budgeted, and the intention there, but then not really manifesting. I think instead of this aspect of the monitoring and enforcement, that if the The department's working together and us improving our IT, so maybe with our GIS, so they could monitor what's going in, what's happening, and collectively as a group in a really positive manner, like identifying where the pinch points are, and how we're doing in our progress to implement these plans would be a more constructive method to spen

That's a lot of cents there. Just wanted to clarify what you had said earlier that the plan implementation division only checks action items and not compliance with policies, Deputy Lillis.

Okay. So we're drafting now. Fund and hire staff to coordinate Compliance. Compliance with policies and actions. Go ahead, Ms. Komkiewicz.

It was dedicate time. and resources to ensuring that the policies and actions in the South Maui Community Plan are enforced? Something along those lines. Unless you had something different, yeah. No, something along those lines. Member Rollins-Fernandez, you have prettier words.

I think that's great. I can be supportive of that if planning department feels okay with that language. One of the things that I, you know, so we, Molokai updated our community plan in 2018. And so what I was doing with the community was giving them annual updates myself as their council member. And I know the planning department provides those updates to us as a council. And so perhaps part of this action item could be something like working with the council member to provide annual updates to the community.

Yeah, yeah. And then I also did like the verbiage that Deputy Lillis said about communication, coordination, although I don't remember what it was exactly. Also.

I know that my community likes to... meet in person um and then have you know like the updates given to them and have opportunity to ask questions um but i go through all the action items and i uh give them the you know the progress report on each things the puko'o fire station the new cemetery um you know etc etc and so these are like the highest priorities for my community and giving them that annual update lets them know that these are priorities.

It's not just... exactly it's not just collecting dust um and i think you know like i know that the planning department again they um transmit the updates to us in a spreadsheet form which that doesn't have that much detail um but you know and i don't want to put the responsibility fully on the department because i i do think that uh you know the council member um as the representative of of you know that residency area um should do that work to provide updates to the community, to provide the progress report on the action items. Mahalo, Chair.

Yeah, I'm sure we could hear the frustration from all of our community plan areas about things that they really wanted not coming to fruition. I guess we're working off of dedicate time and staff to coordinate with the South Maui resident council member to ensure compliance with policies and actions as described in the South Maui Community Plan as a draft starter action. Let's hear from the current resident South Maui council member thoughts.

So how many action items are there that we're going to be monitoring in this plan? All of them. A lot of them. A lot of them. Oh, you're in a different member. I hear my Molokai colleague. and I admire you, and the difference between Molokai and South Maui is immense. I agree. I'm fine with this, and I'd like to, you know, I request CIP updates, and so I'd like to be engaged with what's going on in the community. I find that the administration, quote, busy, whatever, they're not all that forthcoming as far as, like, I would like to know, like, what's going on almost daily i'm a i'm a contracto

Okay. I did see Ms. Komkowicz with her hand up. Anything to add to the conversation?

And then let's check in with Mr. Kanahele based on what Member Cook initially said. The verbiage that we were kind of trying to iron out, he thought it wouldn't satisfy your original intent. Is he on the money or off the mark? Because I guess the wording as it originally stood, We wouldn't be allowed to use it.

Just to remind you, this would be an update on the progress by the administration. So no throwing things. At the residency area.

Okay, going back to Member Cook and then Member Rawlings-Fernandez.

Thank you, Chair. I think that this is, I'm kind of excited Because this is kind of a cool tool that when the council representative reaches out to the administration for an update, and they're really like, they're speaking for all the people, and they're going back to inform all the people, it's going to have a different impact.

And you can point to page 133 and say, look, it's an action item, you gotta.

Yeah, well, I mean, my goal is to enable everybody to do their job as effectively as possible and so the departments implementing this in such a manner they're forewarned they know what they need i always say look i don't want to give you an extra homework assignment but we do need this information please fit it in and let us know my next question is this quarterly Daily, weekly, monthly, quarterly?

I believe we get the PID updates annually. Is that correct?

Yeah. So anyway, to make it more effective, I'd like us to be able to know what it is, reach out to the departments in writing, what's the work in progress, and develop that relationship so when they get it, it's not like, oh, God, not these guys again. but um recognizing that whatever progress is being made that they could report would be uh benefit and extend appreciated by the community so thank you church i'm hearing you i'm supportive more more than annually or annually is okay they're going to do it annually but i'd like it quarterly to be able to then recognize i would be my office woul

Okay. Member Rollins-Bernanke is followed by Chair Lee.

Mahalo, Chair. Why can't we say that the council member of that area will provide updates to the community?

No, we can. Member Cook initially thought that it wasn't hitting the mark that the CPAC had wanted, but then Mr. Kanahele said that he thought it would be good, and Member Cook said, great, I'll do it. And he's excited.

Okay, great. Because, you know, to member Cook's credit, he does pretty regular town hall meetings in the community. So he already is doing that in-person meeting and providing that opportunity to South Maui.

I think he was more his concern that... what we were proposing wasn't hitting the mark in what CPAC had originally intended. So we verified with Mr. Kanahele if it was something that they would be interested in. And Mr. Kanahele said he thinks that they would be interested in it.

Okay, so we would then amend the language, because right now it's just like update, collaborate with the council member of the area, the progress report, which they already do annually. And, you know, like... I know what our priority action items are. And I think after going through this for weeks, Member Cook will have all of it memorized. And so as we're going through and funding it in the budget and like shepherding these projects and CIPs and programs through, he doesn't need to get like daily updates he'll know because he's going to be part of funding these things so you know when when th

We, my office spends an inordinate amount of time doing administrative work. With the police department, with public works, with parks, with you name it, all the complaints, we always respond. And we always try to in the beginning, try to help them directly. And when we don't get response from the administration, we refer them to the appropriate department because that's where the solution lies. We're just like the in-between people passing on information. Our district is pretty big, almost 30,000 people. And we have probably um the bulk of the cip work in central maui so that's a lot of repor

Roll call vote. I'm hearing that you don't want this to be an action item for the Central Maui Community Plan, but if Member Cook is okay and the CPAC Vice Chair is okay, are you okay with it being an action item for the South Maui Community Plan? We're not talking about a countywide policy just for South Maui.

I don't think that's fair. Just them? No, I would see it apply to every region. I know we're working on the South Maui Community Plan, but eventually we're going to go on to other plans. And I just want to vote no and everybody else can vote yes. I don't have to prolong this.

Okay, but I don't know that we settled in on exact verbiage yet. Go ahead, Member Rawlings-Fernandez, you have some great verbiage for us.

Sure. I was just going to say to Member Cook that they wouldn't be the guinea pig because Molokai has been doing this. Sorry. You can't be the guinea pig because it's already happening.

Okay. You can be the guinea cat, Member Cook. Maybe then Chair Lee will vote for it.

When I said that, I felt it was a poor choice of words, but it had already come out of my mouth.

I think Mr. Nunakawa may have some legal things to share with us.

Yes, I have language. Okay, here we go. The residency area council member is encouraged to provide updates to the community on the progress of the action items and policies. Is that soft enough?

He likes that. He's very excited. Staff, did you get the verbiage proposed? Okay. I'll entertain that as a motion to amend 3.28, page 133. Is there a second? Member Johnson, any further discussion?

Both, add council. Yeah. OCS and PD because PD needs to generate that annual report still and then maybe clarify things if they coordinate or whatever. Any further discussion or questions, comments, suggestions? Seeing none, I guess we're going in for a roll call. Oh, yes, go ahead.

And there wouldn't be an additional cost because that's why we get paid the big bucks to do this work for our community as their representatives. Mahalo, Chair.

Six figures. I don't need a roll call. Well, you don't need a roll call.

Mahalo, Chair Lee, because we're just encouraging, not requiring.

Feral. All right. All those in favor, raise your hand and say aye.

Okay, that was an interesting one. The last one is a Mima that we're gonna send over, and I think... Yeah, it's gonna need to be worked on, I think, because... I mean, it's not clear, like, the size of the fire or... we had a bunch of hurricanes and we didn't have sirens and then like what if the siren goes off in South Maui but not West Maui and it's going to be weird. Member Rollins-Fernandez.

Mahalo Chair. The sirens are the jurisdiction of the state though, right? I mean...

I think the county can run the siren, but the siren is maintained by the state. I'm not sure. Okay. But I think this is going to need to be adjusted. I don't know if Mr. Kanahele can share with us the background of it, but there may be other legal things to consider. Okay.

And Chair, I think like to your point, there should be like an educational component to it so that if the policy on when sirens would sound to alert the community for emergencies, that there would be corresponding education so that the community understands what's going on.

I grew up with me. Harry Kim is our civil defense coordinator. So I'm very aware when the siren sound, it means to turn on the radio. After the 2023 wildfires, when I turned on the radio and they sound the sirens, though, it was just Hawaiian music. So you need to work on their game a little bit more. But Charlie, go ahead.

Yeah, I agree with member Ron's Fernandez shortly after the fire. Well, as you know, there are a lot of meetings in. So, I was getting out of my car. I was talking about the gym right by the gym. I looked at my phone and, um. It says that there's a fire at so and so street. And I had no idea where the two streets were because they're giving the subdivision streets instead of the main streets or benchmarks where like, you know, like on your way just before. I know and on social media.

Level three, evacuation, go now. Like anybody even knows what level three is and where are you going to go? But yeah, that's. Yeah.

So I was stumped. I didn't. So I ran into the gym to ask people, where's this place? You know, but yeah, you need instructions.

Any instructions I see Mr Kalani call wants to educate us and I mean. Seeing that this was put out before 2023 is. Yeah, yes. Um, so.

Yeah, we already had planned to send the MIMA specific ones over because we know that they're busy. So maybe, you know, in the middle of the night while they're on the second 12 hour shift, they can ponder some responses to us. Hopefully they won't be busy seeing people get flooded and whatnot. So that being said, we can move on. We still weren't ready with the revisit for 3.03, right? Is that correct? Or did you have a chance to talk with Deputy Lillis on Action 3.03 on page 128 for that revisit? I have not had a chance to talk to Deputy Willis on 3.03. So far, we have the MEMA items and 3.03

All right. Okay. We can move on to goal four, or goal 2.4, which is Mauka to Makai Watershed Management. Oh, shoot, we have a lot of DPW items here. Planning Department, Department of Management, okay. Maybe check in with Director Molina if he isn't available to join. We can just move ahead on the ones that aren't DPW for now. It looks like we have fire. And let's see what kind of resources we have here. We still have water, which is good. Parks. Did Mr. Jackson drop off?

Okay. Let's see. All right, we'll do what we can. Drainage master plan, definitely him for these. Stormwater management program. Culverts. These are all really good action items that I hope he has done already for tomorrow. And we lost Mr. Jackson as well. Okay. Okay, let's skip ahead to page 137 because we do have the planning department here. will begin on page 137, action item 4.13a. Thank you, Mr. Ramirez. So this was a CPAC original with a few, it looks like the planning commission split the original CPAC action into two, with the create and the implement separate, and then some recommend

Okay, so... I mean, it... As written or recommended, it's very clean and clear what needs to be done. I don't know about requiring planning and public works to comply with watershed plans when issuing permits. Because when planning or public work issues permits, they follow the code. And so to make this be a thing that happens, we'd have to then change the code, which I'm not sure. I mean, I don't mind changing the code, but then there could be unintended consequences potentially.

And then Ms. Komkowicz, before I go to Member Cook, I just wanted to clarify if you knew the permits that they're talking about issuing, were those ministerial or discretionary or was it not clarified?

Thank you, Chair. This is something definitely that Public Works has to weigh in on. I'm guessing that this is principally has a lot to do with grading, grading permits. And when people start, it's not uncommon when you mobilize on a job site, put up dust fences and do the work. It appears it's really overwhelming to some people. You get excavators, you get dozers, you get all this stuff. And then when you're doing the work, it's like, well, that can't be legal. But the permit, no, I'm serious. But the permitting, because they do have the BMP best management practices and you have to be, it's

Sure. Ms. Komkowicz, did you run this one by Public Works at all?

Okay. I mean, if any place needs a watershed management program, it is South Maui of all of our districts, I would imagine. I mean, personally. So I do feel comfortable with the recommended language moving forward. We can... just double-check with them when they come back for all the ones that we skipped. Mr. Kalanikau.

It would... The Watershed Management Program I mean, where does South Maui's watershed lie, I guess? Or Mr. Nunakawa, I guess, you know, their watershed goes into upcountry, but you recommended the changes, so you must be okay with it.

It's not meant to be a plan, it says a program. Is that still okay? Okay. So we'll have to follow it up with a code amendment to implement the watershed program, it sounds like, in order for it to happen, which, I mean, seeing your drone footage should be a major motivator for Member Cook to introduce that legislation and for the rest of us to support it. but we'll put it on our list just in case he forgets to draft the legislation. It'll be on the list of things to do. So that being said, I'll entertain a motion to amend on page 137, action number 4.13a to say, create a watershed management p

Thank you. Okay, so 4.13b is the other portion of this, and the recommended change from implement a watershed management program requiring compliance with watershed plan and practices when issuing permits was recommended to become implement a watershed management program. And we may need to enact this in code is what she said. Yeah, Mr. Nunakawa, all right. So I will entertain a motion to amend page 137, action item 4.13b to say implement a watershed management program and to add DPW to the county lead agency. So moved. Moved by Member Johnson, seconded by Member Cook. Any further discussion?

Okay, thank you. Moving on to 4.14a. A lot of changes on this one. It was originally... recommended by the planning department. Then the CPAC changed the priority from medium to high and added implement. And then the planning commission separated implement out into a second action item And then just minimal drafting changes to strike impacts and use damages. So all in all, I think those were all good actions or changes. It just clarifies things, puts them in its right place. I guess checking in with planning, you folks would be the lead agency and you guys are okay with that, right? You don't

Was the position cut or was it just vacated and you can hire? Okay, so you need to hire someone then, or not you, but personnel and deputy Lillis and director Takakura.

Thank you, Chair. Public Works needs to be involved in this. They do the grading permits. They're doing the flood planning with NRCS and also with the various agencies. So it would be difficult for the planning department coordinate this. I think collaboratively they could. Okay. I'm just going to weigh in as far as the stormwater runoff and approved coastal water quality. From you looked at Vernon's drone footage, the wetlands can have a very positive impact when the wetlands are hopefully we get the Savio properties that's like 18 acres and a very critical area. But a lot of the wetlands bas

On a day-to-day, it'll help, but on those catastrophic events, they're catastrophic for a reason, I guess.

Well, and I think catastrophic isn't like just a cone of woe, because we've had in the last four years a variety of rain events that have been harsh, but not that much. I'm just, I'm not being a Debbie Downer. I'm really positive and constructive, and I want to, like our last statement, our upcountry community and our South Maui community need to work together really, really closely in order to get a handle on our, you know, one water. It's not just to mitigate the flooding. It's actually utilize the water resources that were given to recharge aquifer, to take the sediment out and have fire pr

Well, also, the entirety of the problem is not water. As we saw from his presentation, it's the sediment and the mud that comes down with it. And then if you trace that problem back, it's the feral axis deer that denude the landscape that causes the mud and sedimentation to come down. So it's a multi-layered problem, obviously. maybe if it was just water, the wetlands would be a bigger help. But at this point, it's everything above. Mr. Kalanickal, I see your hand up.

Sure thing. So I'll entertain a motion to amend on page 137, action items 4.14A and 4.14B to include DPW as co-lead agencies with planning department. So moved. Moved by Member Johnson, seconded by Member Sinensi. Deputy Lillis, you had something to add for us?

Any further discussion? We're just adding DPW on per Member Cook's suggestion. All those in favor, raise your hand and say aye. Aye.

Thank you. Member Uhu-Hodgins, do you have a disclosure for us?

Yes, I do, Chair. Thank you. I'm still at my private residence. I have three minors with me at home, as well as my husband, Koa Hodgins. Thank you.

So good, thank you. This month's value was , so good health, good mind, good body, and that was the value he got his Kohopono Award for. Thank you. Yay, everybody says thank you.

I don't know. It was your department's recommendation for an action item, so we were just flowing with it.

Yeah, yeah. We were just following your initial draft. And I guess the CPAC and the MPC and everyone on down the line.

Cool. Continuity matters, I guess, you know. Okay. Moving right along. So 4.15 is a DPW county lead agency, but it looks like a continuation of what they're already doing. Continue to support, fund and expand wetland restoration projects, develop and implement low impact pedestrian managed access where appropriate near wetland restoration projects. I don't have any problem with it. We can revisit it with Public Works when they come and move on to the last two planning ones on this page. And then there's more planning ones on the next page. But on page 61 of attachment 3C, we see that initially

All right. And then I guess, Deputy Lillis, this is an action item for the planning department. Did you have any feedback for us? I know that your department proposed it, but it may have been under a different regime.

Can you put up page 61, attachment 3C? and we're on 4.16A and 4.16B.

Medium, okay. Yeah, we don't want to make every single thing a high priority, although, I mean, they are.

Is Sea Grant a county agency that should be at? No, just leave it as planning.

Okay. All right. Then that being said, I will entertain a motion to amend page 137, action item 4.16a to say develop a comprehensive dune restoration plan identifying methods, funding, stewardship, restrictions, and monitoring for South Maui, period. New sentence, focus on the North Kihei area and change the priority to medium. Also included in this motion would be an amendment to 4.16 , which would add on after program for South Maui period, focus on the North Kihei area period and changing the priority from high to medium. So moved. Moved by Member Johnson. Seconded. Seconded by Member Cook.

Just for the discussion, I know we referenced Sea Grant. They have a Hawaii dune restoration manual, and during you guys' discussion, did you reference all the work that the Sea Grant did, or did you, or maybe even Planning might wanna speak to that, but they have a manual on how to do this, so was that in discussions?

Maybe Mr. Kalanickal can address your question.

Did you want to go first and then we can go to Mr. Kalanickal? Vernon could go first.

Sure thing. Can you add it to our post SMCP follow up? Ms. Komkowicz, are you finished with what you had to say or did you have more? This is,

My question was for Vernon. The work that they're doing at Camp 2 with rock bags, is that something that they're considering to be able to do in the North Kihei shoulders?

Members, we do have Director Molina on now, so if there are more information specific to 4.16 A and B about dune restoration, let's do it quickly so we get Mr. Molina while he's here. Did you have more, Member Cook?

I just wanted to say I wasn't looking at it or thinking that it was a permanent solution. It seemed to be a work in progress while we're figuring things out. Thank you.

Okay. Member Rollins-Fernandez, did you have something else on this item? Okay. All those in favor, raise your hand and say aye.

Okay, thank you. Director Stuffelbeam, do you have anything for us?

Okay. Thank you. Sorry, what number was that again? 421. Got it. Okay, we'll do 421 before we get back to GPW because we want Director Stuffolbein to remain healthy. So we're on page 138, 4.21, page 63 of attachment 3C on the page. This was a CPAC original. Provide resources for the protection and rehabilitation. of riparian zones including feral ungulate fencing and planting native plants. This is a program with high priority mid-timing lead agency Department of Water Supply with $475,000 estimated cost. Any comments for us, Director Stoffelbein on this action item?

So is your recommendation to delete this action item since we don't have a water source in the South Maui Community Plan area?

So something like provide resources for the protection and rehabilitation of riparian zones including feral ungulate fencing and planting native plants upon development of a county water source in South Maui?

Mr. Nunakawa, is that okay? Upon development of a county water source in South Maui?

Upon development of an anticipated colony water source in South Maui.

Anticipated development of county water source in South.

So my questions for the director, the environmental management is said that there's five. I'm working with them for the with the ranch. with actually the potential 500,000 gallons a day of R1 water available to put in a high elevation, like thousand elevation tank or reservoir to be able to irrigate the fields and whatnot. Would that be something that the program that Department of Water Supply is currently doing would come into play if that was occurring or would that just be environmental management doing something different i'm just saying that a water source is going to be forthcoming but

yet developed a county water source in South Maui. So should I adjust that to long?

Yeah, mid is five to 10 years following plan adoption, okay. All right, so I'll entertain an amendment on page 138 for action item 4.21 to provide resources for the protection and rehabilitation of riparian zones, including feral ungulate fencing and planting native plants upon development of an anticipated, oh, sorry, upon an anticipated development of a county water source in South Maui. Moved by Member Sinensi, seconded by Member Uuhu Harjans. Any further discussion? Seeing none, everyone in favor, raise your hand, say aye.

Thank you. Director Suffolk being I hope you have a good appointment.

Good afternoon. We're on page 134 of the draft booklet. The whole page is DPW priorities, and that corresponds with page 51 on attachment 3C. So 4.01 started out, implement the Maui Meadows subdivision drainage master plan. nature based systems fullest extent possible. And it ended up becoming update the Maui Meadows subdivision drainage master plan using natural infrastructure and nature based systems. This is a plan type, medium priority, ongoing timing, you folks lead agency, cost to be determined, funding sources, county. Any feedback for us on that action item or even the following action

401 and on page 134. so um the only amendment would be to 401b on page 134 to strike to the fullest extent possible and add as a cip to appendix h entertaining a motion made by remember johnson sorry chair yes um

In the booklet, they included the words, to the fullest extent possible, which wasn't included in the drafting guidelines version of 4.01b.

Oh, shoot, it is, yeah. I was looking at the one above. My bad, sorry. The amendment would just be to add this CIP into Appendix H with a pending priority number that we can get from Ms. Komkowicz. Unless that could be considered non-substantive. motion better okay motion made by member johnson seconded by member sinensi to add this cip project onto appendix h with a pending priority number any further discussion seeing none all those in favor raise your hand and say aye

Thank you. Okay, we're moving on to 402A, which is on page 52 of attachment 3C. This ran the gamut of amendments. It looks like, you know, CPAC added and implement and some other verbiage. Then the Planning Commission separated and implement. And then there were some changes made per drafting guidelines. So the final reads, update the Kihei Drainage Master Plan for flood prevention. to address coastal water quality protection and sensitive ecosystem management in South Maui in consultation with Native Hawaiian organizations. I don't know if we want to do a department of OEV here since we have

Okay. were feasible. This is a plan type with high priority mid-timing DPW lead agency estimated cost of $500,000. I thought I saw Deputy Robinson on. Are you okay with us making the change to from any Native Hawaiian organization to Department of OEB Resources?

Oh, okay. we can put Department of OEB resources or a Native Hawaiian organization. Mr. Kanahele?

So the watershed needs to take out the pollutants and the drainage needs to move the water through. On the natural infrastructure, nature-based solutions, green infrastructure and low impact development where feasible is not part of a drainage master plan is what you're saying or it can be?

Okay, so one is going to be like the Drainage Master Plan, and then the other one would be the Southwest Maui Watershed Plan?

Okay. Member Rawlings-Fernandez, followed by Ms. Komkowicz.

Mahalo, Chair. Okay, so what I'm hearing is update the Kihei Drainage Master Plan for flood prevention to address coastal water quality protection and sensitive ecosystem systems management in South Maui in consultation with the Department of Waiwi Resources, period. Consider recommendations from relevant watershed plans and take into account effects upland developments have downstream prioritizing. There was a different action item above that said like or that kind of strategies. I'll go look for it. And then green infrastructure and low impact development where feasible.

Director Molina, did Member Rollins-Perdandes come in for the win?

And then she's just gonna look up about the verbiage we had previously used regarding Miki Kupuna, Ms. Komkowicz.

Was EcoSolutions LLC a business of one of the CPAC members?

Thank you. Director Molina, do you see a need to call out ecological alternatives analysis prepared by eco solutions llc or that already is part of your supplement to your drainage master plan so it it's okay because it's already part of the supplement

Thank you. Member Rawlings-Fernandez, did you find the?

Mahalo, Chair. It's Policy 2.42, 2.4.2, and it's traditional Hawaiian cultural practices, other nature-based solutions, low-impact design, and green infrastructure strategies.

So it would be prioritize. We would add that traditional Ike kupuna first. Prioritize traditional Ike kupuna. I'm sorry, what was it again?

Oh, I called it ike kupuna, but if we wanted to make it consistent with the other sections of the plan, it's in 2.4.2, it's written traditional Hawaiian cultural practices.

Okay. Prioritize traditional Hawaiian cultural practices, natural and other nature-based solutions natural infrastructure, green infrastructure, and low-impact development where feasible. So... I guess... I'll entertain an amendment on page 134 for 4.02a to say, update the Kihei Drainage Master Plan for flood prevention to address coastal water quality protection and sensitive ecosystems management in South Maui in consultation with Department of OEB Resources, period. Consider recommendations of the Southwest Maui Watershed Plan. Take into account the effects...

Sorry. Consider the recommendations of relevant watershed plans. Take into account the effects upland developments have downstream. Prioritize traditional... Native.

Traditional Hawaiian cultural practices.

Hawaiian cultural practices. Other nature-based solutions, natural infrastructure, green infrastructure, and low-impact development where feasible. Moved by Member Lee.

Second. Not yet. Or motion. Oh, I wanted to hear from the Director Molina.

Director, you like all that language that I just... Yeah, we had no objection to those amendments. Okay. Motion made by Member Rollins-Fernandez, seconded by Member Cook. Any further discussion, Member Rollins-Fernandez? Any further discussion, Member Cook?

None as long as Department of Public Works can, it works at NRCS, Army Corps of Engineers, we can do what we need to do for flood mitigation or is this change design substantially?

Any further discussion? Seeing none, those in favor, raise your hand and say aye.

I have a Sunshine Law disclosure. My children and husband, McKenna Fernandez, are home.

Thank you. 4.02 , I don't have any recommendation for amendment other than to add it to Appendix H and find out the prioritization because it's listed as a CIP in our booklet. 4.02 as in the book and as well as Changes per drafting guidelines look very similar. Member Rollins-Fernandez?

Mahalo, Chair. For 4.02 , that's somewhere around, if we can make that same amendment adding traditional Hawaiian cultural practices, other nature-based solutions.

Motion made by Member Rollins-Fernandez. Does it include adding it to Appendix H as well? Yes. Okay, great. And seconded by Member Sinensi. Any further discussion? Seeing none, those in favour, raise your hand and say aye.

Okay, moving on to 4.03a on page 53 of attachment 3c. This started out as a planning department action item. It looks like CPAC added quality and MPC took out quality. And the final reads, develop a storm water management program plan in South Maui with programs and practices that protect water quality from storm water runoff. It says plan with a high priority, long timing, DPW is the lead, cost to be determined, and funding sources, the county. And then B would be to implement that stormwater management program plan in South Maui. Member Cook, I see your hand up.

Question for Director Molina. Is this redundant? We already have the stormwater management plan.

We had the drainage master plan. I don't know if they're the same though, so I guess good question, Director Molina.

Sure. Action 4.03A, and it's on page 53 of Attachment 3C, as well as page 134 of the draft plan. Ms. Komkowicz, she had something to enlighten us about.

So we're just using the well-known name of the plan because it's a requirement and we're not renaming the...

Yeah, it's kind of weird to have a high priority with a long timeline, but that explains it, I guess.

Director, okay, while Director Molina mulls it over, Member Rollins-Fernandez.

Mahalo, Chair. So I just looked it up, the population size that would be required. And I think that's, I mean, the EPA's NPDES MS4 regulations, and it would be like 100,000. Is that the population size, 100,000? Director Molina?

Mahalo, Director Molina. I'm on the page. I'm looking at the requirement and does the population size consider like tourists, like people who are transient?

Okay, because like, I mean, like, why is the population size, the measurement or the criteria for it? Is it because of like, the amount of urbanization and development? Because if that is the measurement, then like,

Mahalo, chair. Mahalo, director. Sure thing. So, director, you'd like us to revisit this after you've had some time to look at it?

Okay. So 403A and of course, yes. Oh, sorry. Member Johnson.

While he's looking at that, Director, I'd like to draw your attention to maybe considering the funding sources, if you would include the federals, because there's so much. There's the Clean Water State Revolving Fund. There's the Sewer Overflow Stormwater Reuse Municipal Grants. I mean, I was just looking up federal grants on how to manage stormwater, and there was Plenty has seen pots of money, but in here, the funding sources we have listed is just county. Would you consider doing the federal after the discussion we just had with Councilman Rollins-Fernandez? Is that something you would cons

And when we said revisit, Director Molina, you meant like give you some days, give you the weekend, not revisit in five minutes?

Okay, just clarifying. Moving on to 4.04, which is on page 135 of your booklet and page 54 of attachment 3C. So the CPAC draft looks like what made it in maybe Kind of. It started out regularly maintaining clear sediment basins and culverts in South Maui. Great. Then it turned into develop and monitor programs to regularly maintain and clear sediment basins and culverts in the mauka upland areas within both direct and indirect alignment of south maui to minimize the potential damage from downstream flooding and change from a medium to a high priority um then the draft recommendations is not th

I think this is a great idea, given what's coming at us. But of course, we want to check in with the director on his thoughts.

Like the county doesn't have Mauka basins, there are private basins and you monitor that they get cleaned or you don't monitor that they get cleaned?

With mauka removed, is the language okay? It's a program type, high priority, ongoing DPW TBD. Okay, so I'll entertain an amendment on page 135 for action item 4.04 to redevelop and monitor programs to regularly maintain and clear sediment basins and culverts within both direct and indirect alignment of South Maui to minimize potential damage from downstream flooding. Moved by Member Sinensi, seconded by Member Sugimura. Any further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor, raise your hand and say aye.

Thank you. Moving on to 4.05, which is a CPAC original. develop programs to regularly monitor and enforce the clearing of gulches, sediment basins, and culverts on public and private properties in South Maui. This would be a program type with high priority, ongoing timing, DPW 300,000 county funding sources. A little bit repetitive, but we can hear from Director Molina his thoughts.

So we can shed sediment basins and culverts because it's addressed in the previous action.

Sure. I guess my input would be that The developing of a program is a high priority, but the development of the program is not ongoing. The implementation of the developed program is what would be ongoing, and we don't have an action item to implement the program once it's developed. But I mean, I can't see developing a program and not then implementing it. Does that make sense to everyone else? And then so if the development of the program, would that be a short, mid, or long timing to you, Director Molina?

i guess well i guess not really for me to say which is more priority um on that matter i'll i'll put short um being that we have rain coming tomorrow and i think it's not gonna stop coming okay i'll i'll yield to other members members in nc

On the chair, I just had a question for director. Does this include clearing up the coaches, particularly from illegal dumping at them?

Okay. I'm not sure how much, like, you know, building material versus green place is being dumped into the cultures, but if it's a problem.

The problem in South Maui is the access to your upcountry denuding the landscape, causing the mud and debris that comes down, which lessens the capacity of the gulch to efficiently move unpolluted water through to the ocean, causing the mud floods.

I don't know about your district, Member Uhajin's there.

You know, I appreciate the honesty. Let's do something about it. I like it.

Alrighty. Okay, so, um... I'll entertain a motion to amend page 135, action item 4.05 to say develop programs to regularly monitor and force the clearing of gulches on public and private properties in South Maui and to amend the timing to short because we're not talking about implementing the program, we're talking about developing the program. Motion made by Member Uuhajian, seconded by Member Sinensi. Any further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor, raise your hand and say aye.

Thank you. Moving on to 406A and B. On page 54 of attachment 3C, This started out as a department action and it looks like the planning commission did what they did to separate the design and the implement and the CPath moved the priority from medium to high. So what we have is design green infrastructure modifications I may need some assistance from Planner Komkowicz because what is in our book is different than what's in the matrix. What's in the book says design green infrastructure modifications natural infrastructure and nature-based solutions along South Kihei Road to mitigate stormwater

Okay, so it should say design green infrastructure modifications striking natural infrastructure and nature-based solutions and then it would go along South Kihei Road to minimize damage from flooding. This is listed as a CIP with high priority. mid-timing DPW as the lead agency, cost of $200,000. So any feedback from Director Molina? This also was in Appendix H. And I don't know if the design part of it would be a CIP. Seems like it was a plan.

Okay, question on the CIPs. Would it then become a project or would it remain a CIP?

And then... It can be combined into one to read, incorporate green infrastructure modifications along South Kihei Road to mitigate stormwater runoff and minimize damage from flooding.

All right. So I'll entertain an amendment on P. Go ahead.

Thank you. I'll entertain an amendment on page 135 to strike the language in 406 A and B and replace it with action item 4.06 to say incorporate green infrastructure modifications along South Kihei Road to mitigate stormwater runoff and minimize damage from flooding where feasible. Keep the project type or keep it a CIP and add it to appendix H, pending prioritization from Ms. Komkowicz. Priority will be high. Timing, mid. Lead agency DPW costs 200,000 estimate. Motion made by Member Uhu Hodgins, seconded by Member Sinensi. Any further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor, raise your ha

Thank you. We'll come back to 4.07 because we want to make the most of our time with Director Molina. Moving on to action number 408 on page 136 and page 56 of attachment 3C. This started as a CPAC original, it looks like, and got amended to drafting guidelines to say identifying Streams that have been diverted, like the Kanaio stream in Ma'alaya, prioritize returning streams to their original natural path to remedy the runoff and drainage problems that diversions have caused. This is a project with high priority, long timing. Lead agencies would be public works and planning, cost to be determ

Thank you, Chair. Director, my conversations with the people of Mahalia Village, I believe they felt that the stream used to go through the Mahipono property and go to Kealia as opposed to the way that when they did the highway it is into the culvert running parallel the highway and then dropping down to the sediment basin and the perception that that wasn't the way that it used to go but i'm just putting that out there so that for a little insight into what they were thinking is i think eliminating that sediment basin not having it run parallel to the highway and having it go across the prope

Okay. Since the director is okay with it, I'm okay with moving on if you all are. Okay, moving on to 409 A and B. Another CPAC original here with some changes at the planning commission to separate it into the develop and the implement. 409A would redevelop a concept for a regional stormwater park, Mauka of Peelani Highway, in collaboration with County Parks Department of Public Works. large landowners and the community. This would be a plan with high priority mid-timing and DPW would be the lead agency. I guess we should also add DPR if we move forward because in collaboration with, it should

Kind of like the goat park that we drive by on the way, or that I drive by on the way in.

Thank you. Maybe some soccer goals or some field goalposts. I don't know, is that kind of what you're intending, Mr. Kanaheli?

Okay, so something like develop a plan for a regional park, Mauka of Peelani Highway, that could also serve as a sediment retention basin in collaboration with Department of Parks and Recreation, Department of Public Works, large landowners, and the community. Does that satisfy your need to get rid of jargon?

And then if you're envisioning something without any hardscapes, I guess the biggest question that comes to my mind and is an indication of what I'm thinking of is what about bathrooms?

Okay. Mr. Nunakawa followed by Mr. Cook.

Director Molina, what would be the correct term that we're thinking about? It seems sediment basin is not correct. Would it be retention or detention basin? Or Ms. Komkowicz, if you know? Or Mr. Frampton, if you know? So glad we have Mr. Frampton. Why didn't I ask it? To the county. Mr. Frampton?

Thank you. Ms. Komkowicz, you had something to add?

It has a pretty clear definition. Okay, great. Okay, Member Cook.

Great idea. I think we need a whole bunch of these from Kula Highway all the way down. I just want to really hammer home the perspective of the volume of water we're dealing with that's coming down. a 50,000-acre watershed, and it comes from Wailea all the way to Mahalaia. So this is a great idea, and it is, it'd be really cool, but we need to be doing some really aggressive work similar to this all the way up the mountain because it's an amazing amount of water that we are getting in Kihei. from the entire side of Haleakalā, from the ridge all the way down to the ocean. It is a amazingly larg

thank you um we may need to define stormwater parks if if we are going to add it i do see that um stormwater parks typically do not include dedicated public restrooms as a standard feature so no restrooms but stormwater parks are multi-purpose facilities that combine stormwater management detention, retention, infiltration, and water quality treatment with recreational and community amenities, but not bathrooms, apparently. So I'm not sure where the recreators are doing their business, but I'll leave that to them. Ms. Komkowicz?

Okay. So maybe at the top of the park on the side? I think that could be part of the...

I don't want to interrupt your bathroom conversation but I do need to wrap my head about around like what this park may look like because I did look it up too and then there's a little um picture of like slides and a couple swings um but then we're gonna have to ensure that like I guess it can be safe enough to get wet and, you know, like super wet and super clean. There is a golf course up country, which I'll leave it unnamed, that when we have water, everybody goes in there with a boogie board. I grew up doing that in my park next to my parents' house. I know that's probably too much water,

I think they said no hardscaping. No hardscaping. That rubberized thing that parks have nowadays would not allow the water to...

Sure. I mean, the park I grew up never have that either. We had just like the, the cup of like old school concrete and you learn to, you know, your grip strength is real good or else you got hurt. Um, we don't have that anymore, but that's kind of my point is right now. That's the only version of playground we have is that's like that. So are we going back to the old school playgrounds where we don't have that? Um, we have,

Kihei is one of the nicest playgrounds, but I think they need like soccer fields, football fields, maybe.

Like the one that's closer to Kehalani or the War Memorial where it has that big detention and they also use it for soccer or KCC Park where you could get your cardboard out and run them up, but they also use it for soccer. Is that what we're kind of looking at?

I do know that the existing soccer field doesn't allow kids over middle school because of the proximity to the highway and the potential of those kids to kick the ball. I did have a complaint about that that I investigated. Soccer fields for older kids. at the upper reach of the urban growth boundary, I think. And there was something in here about more playing fields for kids, but if that addresses yours, and we wouldn't be turf because we need infiltration, but- Right, I'm just trying to understand.

I tried to look it up too. I don't want to spend too much time, but this is just an interesting concept I haven't heard before.

So, thank you. Sure thing. Member Rollins-Fernandez?

Mahalo, Chair. When I read this, Stormwater Park, the area that I thought of is in Kehalani. I think that's why LA Road, where the goats are, to keep the grass down. Anyway, so I don't know what that one is called, Director Molina.

Mahalo director, that was very enlightening. Now I understand the difference between those. And then like member Uhu Hajin, I did look up... stormwater park and there was like a bunch of places in china that came up and they had like walkways and it's really cool but it's a lot of land and then you know like looking at it to like um like uh have it be um self-funded it could it could be places that people could like get married at because it's like up on the mountain and then it could you know pay for itself

I know Charlie is always concerned about revenue. I'm thinking of you, Charlie.

And liability. Flying to Maui to get married. It wouldn't be during a storm.

Yeah, yeah, not during a hurricane. No weddings during hurricanes.

That's going to start your marriage off on the wrong foot for sure. Okay. Member Cook.

Thank you. I'm curious about parking. They say no hardscapes, but you could use porous pavement. There's ways to work around it. Anyway, we're definitely getting in the weeds on this. Hey, we'll be able to irrigate it because this is a stormwater park. We're going to have a lot of water storage, so it'll be really green in Kia, and everybody will want to go up there.

Sure, I think we were planning on the large landowner to give it to the community potentially or something. Because it does say large landowners. I don't know that they trade in their Kihei mauka for a stormwater park, but this is getting something. Maybe Ms. Komkowicz, could you collaborate maybe with some folks and come back with maybe collaborate with Director Molina and come back with something workable, more workable?

Okay, is the language in 409 A and B acceptable if we add DPR?

And then can we change the priority to medium?

Okay. Okay. So as written, we don't have too much issue. I'll entertain an amendment on page 136 for action items 409A and 409B to say develop a concept for a regional stormwater park, Mauka of Peelani Highway in collaboration with Department of Parks and Recreation Department of Public Works, large landowners, and the community. This would be a plan with medium priority, mid-timing, adding Department of Parks and Recreation as the lead agency, keeping 350 on cost and county as estimates. 409B, Also changing priority to medium and timing to long and adding Department of Parks and Recreation as

So if we put a definition of a stormwater park, will that limit it or would we keep it broad?

That was a recommendation from our lawyer, so I'll let him answer. Okay, lawyer.

And we can use the FEMA definition if that helps folks.

Okay. That was part of the motion to add it into the definition section, right? Yeah.

Are we deciding on the FEMA definition now in this motion or are we going to cross that bridge when we get there?

We can cross that bridge when we get there. I'll let you guys simmer for a few days.

Definitely simmering over here. Ready to vote. Mahalo, Chair.

All those in favor, raise your hand and say aye.

Thank you. I thought we weren't going to get through that for a little while. The next three are under Department of Management 4.10, 4.11, and 4.12. While we have Director Moline, I just want to ensure that these don't have anything to do with public works. Are you able to look at 4.10, 11, and 12?

Okay. And then just also for your information, for 4.13a, b, and 4.14a and b, We added Department of Public Works to Planning Department. We did amend 4.13a to say create a Watershed Management Program for South Maui Community Plan. And we added DPW to PD. Implement the Watershed Management Program, we added DPW. And then 4.14a and 4.14b, We added DPW, so that's a FYI.

Thank you. Thank you. Um, okay. We'll consider that when we take up for 10 for 11 and parts. Well, any objection to entertaining amendment on page 1 37 for 4.13 and B as well as 4.14 and B to add department of environmental management to our colony lead agencies. So moved by Member Johnson, seconded by Member Sinensi. All those in favor of adding DEM to that, raise your hand and say aye.

Thank you. Okay, going on to 4.15, which is DPW Lead Agency. On attachment 3C, we're looking at page 60. It started out as a department action item. It ended up saying, continue to support, fund, and expand wetland restoration projects develop and implement low impact pedestrian managed access where appropriate near wetland restoration projects. This was a project with high priority short timing and the lead agency is Public Works for $300,000 of county funding.

Sure. I guess the language taken out referred to the LAEA wetland. Does that not ring a bell at all?

Okay. I guess we'll revisit this, and Ms. Komkowicz can advise us when we revisit it.

Chair? Yes. Chair, before you gavel up, I have an announcement about your next meeting, okay?

Okay, it is about 4.30 and I do have a drive home and it's not raining yet. So I don't know if we wanna do the last three, four, five, five. five action items that involve DPW while we have you. Director Molina, do you mind looking at 4.26 A and B, 4.27, 4.28 and 4.29 and giving us any off the cuff feedback? These are on page 140 and 141 of your draft plan.

Thank you. We'll continue on this discussion, this track on Monday, and the plan is to adjourn for today. Oh, Director Ogawa asked, he's on, if we can... address 4.22. And, you know, if the directors ask, I'd love to accommodate them. So we're on page 139, action item 4.22. And here we go. This is a CPAC original, and we'd love to hear from Director Ogawa.

Thank you, Chair Caragallo. prioritizing freeing up potable water, utilizing the R1 for irrigation to free up the potable water. The thought process in some of our previous conversations is if we work with the ranches and a percentage goes to these other uses, and that helps with the funding to actually get it to the resorts instead of just sending it straight to the resorts. So it's mixed use, dual purpose. It does sound kind of on the talking two sides of the mouth, but it's accomplishing two different goals, and a lot of it, like you and I have discussed, how much available R1 is there. not

I mean, it's always fiscally sound to prevent your town from burning down.

I think that probably if this action item was come up in the aftermath of the August 8th, it was It's partially a traumatized response. For me, I guess, obviously, based on your feedback, we would need to change something. I would say something along the lines as replacing potable water would be the primary. But if available, utilize R1 reuse water to provide green buffers around a town or around the WUI or something to that effect, if available. We could also utilize fire-resistant native plants and other things, too. And so... Because just utilizing the R1 for reuse on the landscape in and o

Director and all of them. We spoke at one point like 500,000 gallons being earmarked for this type of alternate instead of a potable. And for everybody's consideration, it isn't simply the wildlands. It's part of the revitalization of the land after the deer is being able to do irrigation work. on those lands so that they have a chance to actually become revitalized. And then when it rains, the grass will keep the water. So it's sort of a whole ecological repair. But is there any feasibility of having an allocation for alternate use like that, like if a half a million gallons, how much more wo

So if feasible for R1 reuse on the landscape to mitigate access deer damage, recharge depleted aquifers, and provide forage for livestock for local food security. If feasible, utilize R1. If feasible, utilize... R1 water for reuse. And then you're okay with project high priority short timing DEM $2 million estimate.