City Council - Regular Meeting

Move to approve the minutes of the council meeting on August 25th by 30 and the special meeting on September 9th.

I just want to say I appreciate that, man. I mean, it means a lot to me. Thank you.

I just wanted to ask Mr Cook. Um, are those dams illegal?

So St. John's has decided they're appropriate?

Okay. And would we have the right to remove the dams even if we wanted to?

Okay. And the property that we're complaining about with the dams is Mr. Johnson's property? No.

Okay. Um And do we know what the cause of the flooding and Baker subdivision is?

Those are the things that I think are important that should be added But you know leave it up to the council to see what you guys want to do Member Nelson I would make motion to approve consent agenda items B through F However, I would ask that the city manager come back with those items to add second

I pulled this because we are working really hard to shave off the budget, and this obviously involves giving fairly substantial raises to a group. And I understand why you did it and why you agreed to it. However, I think the citizens need to understand what you did and why.

So does that put our employees on par with other employees?

I sort of felt like it should be expanded, but I understand that it will take re-advertising. So for right now, I'm okay with going forward.

Yeah. Um, no, I would agree. I, and I don't know if this is even a possibility, but could live work be a use instead of a zoning district?

Okay. So in that area you're saying we can't, we don't have restaurants. So changing it all to a community commercial and then having live work as a use.

I JUST WANTED SOME CLARIFICATION. WAS THIS BROUGHT ON HERE BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY ZONED OFFICE PROFESSIONAL AND YOU'RE ADDING AN ADDITIONAL USE? I DON'T THINK WE ARE LOOKING TO CHANGE THE ZONING. CAN YOU JUST EXPLAIN THAT?

This is just so this is currently office professional. And I think to the mayor's point, he's thinking that he would like and I understand it allowing restaurants and maybe more commercial go in here. So if we wanted to do that, what would be the process for changing the zoning essentially rather than adding an additional use?

Okay. And I think that's what I was seeing from this. I think that's a separate discussion. So this one is relatively minor because it's adding use to an already office professional where I don't think restaurants fits in the zoning of office professional. So I think we go along and pass this. And then I think during council discussion, talk about if there are certain pieces that are zoned a certain way that maybe would benefit from having a different zoning.

Move to approve ordinance number 28, 2026, live work units and OP.

MEMBER NELSON. I'm asking you guys to indulge me. You know, we've got a lot of flooding here. And I think the bioswales, if we add them, will give a place for some of that excess water to go as opposed to in houses, on our streets, et cetera. And looking at the ordinance, we're talking about excessive number of parking spaces can contribute to the detrimental effects on the environment. We are giving the owners of the warehouses a benefit by not having them spend as much money on parking spaces. So I would suggest that we add the bioswale slash rain garden. to allow us to capture some of the w

Thank you. No, I thought that was an excellent idea. I don't think we're limited, and Brad, you can correct me if I'm wrong, to either option one or option two. You said that we could do both. My question is with the bioswells, how are you going to calculate it? Does it have to meet the St. John's River water management criteria, or is it just based off of square footage?

Yes. Um, so our current standard right now is one parking for 25 if we don't do anything. And I'm on page 132 in the summary.

And so if we did nothing, that is what somebody wanted to do this. And I think the intent was that's probably not needed. So if we were to remove that requirement, There's no protections in here. Is there any protections in here? I guess would be my question to prevent them from, you know, still adding more concrete space and more many warehouses because now they don't have to do as much parking.

OK, so I guess my question then is. I want. I'm not for that because I think that defeats the whole intent behind what we're doing. If we just take that parking requirement out, there's nothing in here to say that that's benefiting the city of Titusville. So I don't even see the purpose of doing that unless we add something else in here or we shift it potentially. So With these two requirements, would this be the parking requirement would still be there and then this would be an option? So in lieu of the parking requirement, they can do this?

Or how you're putting it here, is it remove the parking requirement and say no matter what, if you're doing this kind of use, you have to do one of these two or both of these?

So I just wanted to see how you all feel about that and then we can have more discussion.

Member Nelson. Thank you. I think we do need to have a parking requirement, but I think we need to lessen the amount of parking and give them the option of one of these two conditions. So instead of 25 spaces, say they have 20 spaces that they have to have. But the extra five spaces becomes wells, rain gardens, extra vegetation, something that will start absorbing the water.

Yes, I agree with with that, and I think that by reducing the number of parking spaces that that should be a requirement. To either have the bios well or the rain garden. My opinion is it should be a requirement because we're reducing the number of required parking spaces.

Brad, what about if we lessen the parking requirement and required a certain percentage of open space?

Okay. And I guess where I'm, I have a problem with it being too prescriptive, where we kind of are like, here, this, and somebody looks at the code and is like, where's this weird thing coming, like, I'd rather, I think our intent is to have more open space and to prevent flooding. So, um, I think something that would fit everyone, no matter where you're at and where you're located is if maybe a X percentage was open space. So that kind of solves the issue of us building on every square inch of green space and then adding, oh, here, but do this of vegetation or the bioswale?

You could do either. You can do extra. I'm sorry. Okay.

So you're saying maybe add in a third option.

Or add in a third option. Okay. I look at that second option as allowing open space. Okay. Because you're adding vegetation. I'm looking for something that's going to absorb the rainfall. Yeah. Okay. That we seem to be getting.

Okay. If a developer chooses a low impact development, is there a credit that they are given, like a reduction in the impact fee?

And would this apply to this one, to this ordinance?

And are we limiting the type of LID they can do by just saying bioswales and rain gardens? Or are there other options? Eric Green.

I would agree, but I feel like that's another agenda item that we will need to bring forward. Which I'm open to.

It's going to need to be re-advertised regardless. I already know that.

So, okay, so one, I think we're on the same page that we will need to re-advertise this. I think we need to be on the same page as far as a parking requirement, and I don't know if, Brad, if you have a recommendation on that, if we do want to lessen it, which I think we do.

Okay, do you have enough information? And does that include the mayor's comment about not allowing them in the downtown area?

So I'm thinking, Andreen, the easiest thing to do would be to deny this and have Brad bring it back.

No, I think we were looking to lessen the parking requirement.

And then do we need a motion or do you need a motion for the mayor's other ordinance to remove the many warehouses in the downtown area?

I'd like to make a motion. to approve Conditional Use Permit 2-2026 for 1018 and 1020 Orange Street.

How much more time? A couple more minutes. Say, give him two more minutes.

Yes. With this text, it sounds like you said, please go forward rezoning his property without. So, it sounds like you're okay with him going forward with rezoning his property.

Thank you. Let's say this rezoning does go through. Are you opposed to taking the 50-unit condition off? Because you would still, for the R1B, you would still be able to build 35 units on your property.

Yeah, that kind of goes along with it. I'm assuming that the cards were sent out to neighbors in the surrounding area. Within 500 feet. OK. And I think that was my and I haven't heard any neighbors coming out opposing this. Like we are used to that for a lot of these rezoning. So I just wanted to clarify that and make sure. OK, that's all I had.

Vice mayor. Yes, I have a question for staff. If if this were approved. Do we lose complete control of the property as Mr Molitor said? In other words. If it's if he sells the property. Okay. But we have no control over. How many chickens, cows, whatever on the property because it's regulated by the state? Is that true?

So that means if he decides to slaughter chickens, pigs, cows, whatever, we could not prohibit that.

I think that bothers me. I know that bothers me. I like the idea of having farms within the city. But I think we need to have the right to regulate it and say, OK, we're going to have x amount of chickens per this much square feet or this much acreage. We're not going to be slaughtering hogs on this property on a regular basis. And so that not having any control on what is going to be done bothers me. So I was sort of prepared to say, hey, let's look at it. Let's come up with an ordinance, some regulations, something that might make sense. But we're preempted. Yeah, I don't know where Mr. Stee

Thank you. So the concept plan shows it's a worker, farmer, RV.

Question for staff. We do have general use zoning throughout the city already.

So the same thing that we're considering doing here, those could, in theory, do the same, go through the same things that are happening right now and the same concerns we have, we'd have no control over.

OK, thank you. Yeah, this one is relatively easy for me. I'm in favor of it. I think it's consistent with our comp plan. I think it kind of reminds me of when we were going through the Royal Oak and they had a lot of signs that said we prefer cows because it is general use. So I think we're here to represent our citizens. I think we know about the flooding and it's not every day that we actually get a piece of property that's trying to do less dense items and preserve green space. So for me this isn't easy. Yes.

My concern is not so much with you, but of subsequent owners coming in and not being as neighborly as you appear to be. I came in here ready to say yes because I understand the situation, but the limitations Give me pause. I'm not sure right now. I still can't tell you whether right now whether I'm going to vote for or against, but my limiting factor in my head is I really think you made a good presentation, and I would love to see it farm in there. I know that it will help us with stormwater. It will help us in a lot of ways, but that's you. Somewhere down the line, you may not own it, and so

I'm opposed to it, not because of you, because like Herman said, it's the next person that comes along. We don't know that next person. I can't look them in the eyes and say, are you going to do right? And they can go absolutely haywire. One of the things I talked to Brad about was could we do some type of ordinance where we had some limitations that made sense, that protected you, protected the public, and were preempted. So I don't know where we go from there.

Member Stoeckel, so I am going to make a motion, but first with Brad part of that I know you said can if we are going to change it, you're concerned about the Max 50 units. So if I were to make an emotion for approval, would you want me to instead motion add in to lift that restriction so that Mr Molitor could be able to develop his piece of property?

No, that's fine. And my last comment before I make my motion is I just would like council to consider, because if someone were to come in and start developing those homes right now on how it's zoned, we have no say in that, and I would guarantee that there would be citizens upset. Okay.

Yeah, just to speak to Member Stoeckle's point, and your point as well, I don't think it's fair for us to make decisions based off of hypotheticals. And like you said, and you said as well, if it goes to a developer, I mean, max units are 35 units. We have no control over that.

Yes. Move to approve ordinance number 30-2026 for the property located at 1915 North Singleton Avenue from single family medium density R1B to general use GU zoning district. Second.

Yes. Uh, I also moved to remove the 50 unit restriction. Um, that's currently on both pieces of property.

Move to approve rezoning application number 4-2026 for 527 Indian River Avenue. Second.

Yes. Did you have any comments related to all of P&Z's recommendations, whether or not you liked some of them, didn't like some of them, some of them were a little hard to understand? Did you guys read through those and kind of evaluate them?

Thank you. Well, I love the idea of... doing a conservation easement and using that here in the city. So I have kind of two questions. One for staff, have we ever done anything like this? And then two for the applicant, how does that work? Do you purchase a property and then you put that into conservation easement? And if so, with the parcels that you're looking at, is there a way that the city would have a say in it? Because as you know, we have issues with flooding. We would want to make sure that we could get kind of the best parcel that could help us mitigate some of that. So, Brad, have w

You may have just answered my question. Is there a time frame? Would your site approval not get approved until you purchased the land as it's written right now?

So right now, do you have a piece of property under contract?

Okay. So that parcel is the 125 acres, more or less?

Let me ask you, the drawings that you gave us showing conservation, what everything's going to be, is that different than the drawing we got with our package? Has it changed?

That would be great. You have it? Of course. We'll get to you.

Okay. Can I have that or do you need it?

that we agreed to something and it's been changed at sort of at the last minute. So I have a problem with that. And so when you say, trust me, this is all gonna work out. I'm a little wary. So I agree with the mayor.

Thank you. I agree with the 23 acres with the uplands to preserve those. I do have a question, and I'm sorry, this might be a very basic question, but if say you purchase a piece of property, did you say that the airport would own that property? Or who would own the property that you purchase?

And let's, let's say that the down the road, the, that property gets developed, then would they use those wetlands that are in conservation as part of or would they have to go ahead and buy additional wetland like mitigation? Do you understand kind of where I'm going there?

Um, before you said that, that was kind of my question and I did not do a one on one, but I think I think I was under the impression and it sounds like some of us were during that meeting. When what we were submitting to the state, we were all on the same page with we're going to submit that plan and we all had agreed that we would like to see you guys purchase additional land within the city. And so I think that's where we had all agreed and left off and providing enough direction. And now what's coming back is not that. And I don't know if you could just explain more as to why you didn't do

Yeah, and I would I don't can't speak for our rest of Council. That was not my intent with it. I think it was to make sure that those were preserved and then because we are already allowing some mitigation and you have to understand the city and what we've been dealing with for past several years concerning wetlands and people mitigating it and flooding like it's it's a huge issue in our city and so we're very cautious when we see it and so if we were to go in favor of allowing mitigation we we did want I think to have those things in place and I'm sorry you felt otherwise or wanted that one-o

I have a question. Is it beneficial to change the uplands into stormwater ponds?

I wouldn't think so because you talked about the uplands and then the quality of those uplands. So it almost seems counterproductive to turn them into stormwater ponds.

think wrong sort of on the same lights my question though is if they buy a piece of property for mitigation will city be able to use that to Sandy shaking her head to help some of the flooding that we're having in our city I would

I would like to find that out because potentially, depending on where it is, I think that it could help some of the flooding within the city if we have access to it. Or should I say, Sandy has access to it.

Yeah, that was going to be my thing is just to come back and help us find out what's the best conservation easement that would benefit the city the most, as Member Nelson was saying.

Yes, and I did discuss this with Mr. Steele and Georgiana when she was here. I'd also like to add to that list Mr. Steele to work on widening 405 and working with TPO and seeing what we can do to try to move that up on the list. And so I just wanted to make sure we had consensus from council before that direction was given.

I WOULD AGREE. I'M NOT SURE I WANT IT IN HIGH PRIORITY BECAUSE SOME OF THESE THINGS, THEY'RE NOT HIGH PRIORITY. WE SERIOUSLY NEED LOW PRIORITY PROJECTS FOR CONSIDERATION.

Yes. Okay. So my question would be the deadline. Is it possible? So we have 13 requests in here, and if we add 405, that would be 14. Can we wait until after November? OK, so that would be my recommendation is to see if we can wait until after November.

I don't feel comfortable enough to narrow them down. I can tell you what I feel like would be a top priority, but it's really important to see who's going to be governor. And then I would value Senator Mayfield's feedback on these to see. And then we we hone in and focus on those.

Yeah, if you can keep us aware of what that deadline is, then we will.

I think you just answered it. I was wondering how many items should we focus on?

I think this is important enough that we need to schedule a meeting, maybe December or January or Saturday. where we sit down and work on this and work it out together within the public and the audience because we would have to notice it so we could all be together to do it. And I think this is important enough for us to do that. I do have a little bit of consternation, I'm sorry, on the 405. because if we push the took the 405 in there which would be something that our tpo would be doing i'm concerned that we would lose something that we really need here in the city that's the only reason tha

And then my last question is, is it possible to get a sample or an example of a request that's been done in the past so we know what to kind of look at as guidelines?

Okay, well, that makes me feel better because it's making me feel like you were nervous about us not having a good... No, no, no. Okay.

So what we did last time is good. So what you did with staff was great. So as long as we can continue to do that.

Yeah, I like what you're saying, Sarah, because I think it would be easier if we have, let's say, six that we break it up and say, these are my two that I'm going to research, that I'm going to get the stories for, because a lot of these will help with flooding. And, I mean, those are real situations that we have. Instead of when we go to Tallahassee, we know a little bit about all six of them, but to break it up, I think, would be really helpful and tag-team it.

Yeah, I was thinking about a workshop one Saturday.

basically similar to the workshop we did back in may okay member stokel i'm not sure if it needs to be a workshop or maybe part of one of our uh agenda meetings because i'm just wondering how long i don't anticipate it going on for hours so i don't know if a workshop is needed or an agenda item and we keep it on and as things happen so i don't anticipate anything much happening until November. And then I think at that point, I know at least for me personally, I'm going to start to try to figure out a strategy. And then I think what it really comes down to, I think we all agree that these are g

Appropriation for and then going from there, so I don't I don't know if we're ready to all that to say I don't know if we're ready to give direction to staff on what to do yet Member Nelson, okay, I won't be there But I would say maybe 530 meeting instead of doing presentations go over that list Yeah

Vice Mayor Cole. Okay, I don't agree with that because I just think it's gonna take a little bit longer for us to work on it and really have a good feel for what we're requesting. And I don't think it's gonna take an hour. I think it's gonna take more than an hour to do that.

Thank you. Um If I remember correctly, this wasn't approved by the Brevard County commissioners. So could you kind of give us a reason why? And then I don't know if you have a rebuttal to the reasons they gave you as to why they denied it.

Who are the good players? I mean, you're saying these are the good players, but who are the bad players?

Member Nelson. I appreciate what you guys are doing. And I think for a lot of homeowners, it would be helpful. But when you did the presentation, my thought was for the homeowners who may not be quite as savvy, this could lead them to losing a home or really having a bunch of problems. And that worried me.

Yes, and this may be question for staff more so than so say we did approve this. Are there any provisions in here that say OK didn't go as we planned? People were getting their homes taken it there. We've got complaints for us to stop the program.

Do we, uh, get any type of reports of how many of our residents are using it?

Okay. And so maybe that's something we could do is have, you know, city manager receive those. And then we ask for, um, an update depending on. quarterly as well, or every year.

My concern is very similar to that of Member Nelson, because if it's easy to do this, It's just like someone gets a credit card and they overspend and they're unable to afford it. That's the concern I have is that if it's too easy for them to get the money, the consumer to get the money to do the project, they may ill afford to be able to pay it back. And that's why I have the same similar concern that member Nelson has. I don't want to jeopardize our constituents. If you know, I've had family members to have done this where it's free money, I'm going to use it and they get in trouble by doing

But the homeowner still has to pay back the monies that have been spent to the contractor. So it's still, I still have consternations about it.

Member Moscoso. Is the financing based on credit?

For me, I mean, it sounds attractive for people who can't get traditional financing. But kind of just looking at the numbers, I was reading that you can get 20% of the property's value. So let's say you have a $400,000 house, you could possibly get up to $80,000 in And then just looking at the interest rate, your presentation said 8 to 9%, but then your website says 6 to 12.99%. And so that's a huge difference if you're talking about perhaps an $80,000 loan. And so for me, that's concerning. I kind of agree with what Member Nelson was saying. People might not understand exactly what they're ge

What if you get it when you're 55 and you're, you know, you quit working at 60. And so at 55, you could actually pay it back. But at 60, you're really struggling. And then now you're stuck and this is tied to your property. You can't sell it. In most cases, it looks like I think you have to talk to your mortgage lender. But in most cases, you have to get approval before you can. You have to pay it off. Correct.

Well, we do have the septic sewer coming up, and we know that's going to be expensive. So I say we try it, and if it doesn't work,

What happens if someone takes it out and then wants to pay it off early? Are there any penalties for doing that?

OK, and that was my question, something that Mindy brought up about the protections that your company provides for that. And so I will say I did have similar concerns. I think I expressed them at the last meeting. But I think some of the things that you guys have said today have made me feel a lot better. I think that getting the reports, I think, will be really beneficial for us as counsel to see what our citizens doing within this program. just to give us better data, so.

If we were to approve this and with the reports that you give to the city, we determine that we don't like it. What are our options to cancel it?

Member Nelson. One, you should keep her. And two, I heard rates.

Did you want to raise a job after November? Oh, boy.

I do need a job after November. So I would say the direction would be. to go ahead and do a resolution. Is that what we need?

That's sort of a motion, yeah, with a report every 30 days to the city manager. That is a motion.

Yes, I think I'm OK with this. I don't know where this came from exactly, and I say that because we've had two way communications. On our strategic plan for 10 years and I want to say back when I know we initially when I say we remember Nelson and I initially started a lot of that was around social media at the time where it was being used as a way to push information out and we really wanted to start talking to more about engaging our citizens and so. Then we looked at social media a little bit and, you know, responding to comments. Then we're I think we're doing that a little bit right now.

Yes, I was going to say the exact same thing with metrics because I end up getting caught in the middle because I try to tell people this is the method you do to report it. And they report it and then they don't hear anything from anyone. And so they know if they come to me, we can get a response. And I don't feel like that's healthy either. And so I would like to see what we have right now and then the metrics on that. So what is actually being reported in? How often is it being responded to and taken care of? And I think we live in a world where everyone wants an instant response. And so tha

OK, so to that point, how do you guys feel about us going ahead and moving forward? It says projected cost and I would assume we don't know what that cost is yet because I'm an RFP would need to go out and then we would get back and make that decision. So what if we did one at least with the notifications? Because I would agree with you on the boil notice. I definitely am on board with that. And then I'm with Member Moscoso on before I think with the inbound, I would like to see kind of our systems in place and what we're doing to track before I feel comfortable committing a certain amount to

Sorry, and this is for the specifically for the boil water notice when I lived in Seminole County, they would have, like, marquees in the area. So if there was a boil water notice, you would have, like, a big sign, like a flashing sign. I think the police police department has those. I don't know what it's called, but it's like if there's traffic, you'll say like this lane is blocked. And so they would actually put it out in the area where there is a boil water notice. And that was just another way to communicate. I do think like just sending out text for things like this is helpful as well. B

Vice Mayor Cole. I was wondering, now on the boil water notice, I know the water department goes around and knocks on doors and puts tags on doors. I know they do that. But my question was, does the sheriff's department have anything where they send out missing persons and old people alerts and things like that? I know they do it in West Palm because I get the alerts. If they do, no, it's not because I'm old. But, I mean, does our Brevard County Sheriff have a system in place that they could do it?

And just to clarify on that, if we do receive ones that do both while they're doing it and one of our citizens came up and spoke about other potential options, I would be open to that as well. I think we don't know what we don't know. And so I'd like to see what companies maybe are doing that have ideas that we haven't even thought of.

I talked to Brad yesterday, and he did visit the one store. He said it was clean, not a problem. Looking at some of the definitions for puppy mills, I mean, a lot of these places are just outright banning animal sales. And I say puppy. We should say puppy and kitten sales. I'm not seeing a huge problem, and so I'm not crazy about going further with it. If we had a problem, yeah. If we had loads of pet stores and we had loads of animals in there. But some of the statues were so restrictive. If you sell 20 animals, you're a puppy. And it just seemed really like people had gone way too far to one

Yes, I would agree. If someone had a proposal for something that they're seeing that we needed to cut back on specifically, I would be open to that. But I have not seen an issue.

I think we need to extend the meeting to 11 o'clock.

I will say, you know, I liked you from the beginning. I was like, this is somebody we can work with. This is somebody that we can count on to handle our litigation in-house. This is somebody, not sure I want to be against you in court. But somebody I would trust in court, somebody to handle the litigation, figure out what a case is worth or not worth. So to me, you're doing a great job. You're doing what I thought you'd do.

Yeah, I think you've done everything that you said you were going to do, which is not always the case. Sometimes we get promised things and that doesn't happen. But thank you so much. I mean, you've exceeded all of my expectations as a city attorney. You've done an amazing job. You've given wonderful advice. The only thing I would ask is. I think there could be sometimes legal issues going on in the city that we might not be aware of. And oftentimes I've noticed some residents will try to get you to say things or and so just to be aware of what those issues are so that we're also careful with

Yes, I will say, because this was a new process for me being on council for a while, we had not gone through this process. I would say that there's been a lot of benefits to hiring an outside person. I think with that, you've come in with a new perspective of kind of your experience and how we could improve things. I really appreciated you coming up with new ideas that we might not have thought of before. And you've been very open. I also appreciate and she knows this. There's several times that we disagree, but she always tells me, you know, that's your that's your role as a council person. Y

And then my last one was area for improvement, which would be, I think, just be just from our benefit as the state is passing certain statutes. Um, I think as we're trying to preserve wetlands as we're faced with development challenges, If you could, your office could provide us with case law and options for us when we're hearing things. I think sometimes as not being the quote unquote expert puts us in a tough situation. So if we had a better understanding of maybe we disagree with staff, what would those legal liabilities potentially be? Is there case law to support other areas that we're se

I know how I feel about the person that continually reminds me that she was my third choice. And I don't know why after this time that you were my third choice because you have totally impressed me, especially when you sit up there and you recite statues without using a piece of paper. And I mean, it's very impressive. And your personality has permeated throughout City Hall and I haven't spoken to anyone that has not felt comfortable with you or felt comfortable with the words that you give and the legal advice that you give. And I'm going to do the evaluation. I just haven't done it yet. But

OK, so and I do apologize for not submitting mine. I I've submitted these in the past and I felt like they'd have just been on the agenda and. They've just we haven't really discussed them, so. I I feel like Tom, you've done a great job. I think with the situation that we've been in, I will and I don't think this will be a surprise to you. It was not my intent initially to hire within. I was looking for an outside person and a lot of the reasons that I appreciated our city attorney. I think it's been nice to have an outside perspective because sometimes when you get too comfortable you are use

You know, having been a base commander and had like 5,000 people working for me. But I didn't have to work for one person. I think the hardest, one of the hardest parts of a job as a city manager is, like Member Stoeckel said, you've got five bosses. And you know, you have to treat each one equally and everybody has different demands. I think that's very difficult. I thought being a city manager after I had managed a base would be a piece of cake. But managing a city is just a total different ballgame. There's so many different aspects of it. I want to commend you on what you did on the budget

That's good to me. I'll just go ahead and read mine. Under the financial management, kind of like everyone was saying, and I'll just preface this as I was the one vote not for you, but I'm so thankful for you. So I'm glad that I've had this opportunity to work with you. But the fact that we've reached the lowest millage rate in 18 years, I think that is huge and that's a significant accomplishment. I think At the same time, the internal audit brought forward some practices to light that needed to be improved and that have financial implications for the city. But I do believe that you're addres

WELL, I DON'T HAVE MY EVALUATION IN FRONT OF ME. ORIGINALLY I WAS LIKE SARAH. I WANTED SOMEBODY FROM THE OUTSIDE, SOMEBODY WHO HAD NEW IDEAS. I'M GLAD WE GOT YOU. And I won't go through everything because I think everybody else has. But you've been a good choice. You've done a great job. You listen. You look for the problems. And you look for ways to resolve them. And to me, that speaks volumes. So thank you.

Member Nelson. Move to extend the meeting. 1115. I apologize.

That TEC continue with Sandy to improve the stormwater language in the comp plan.

In the infrastructure and conservation elements. I'll second that.

Very quickly, I understand there was an issue with Brevard Zoo. And I believe, Mayor, you know about it. And our citizens don't know about it. So would you like to address it? Tell us what happened.

That summed it up very well. I understand the vote is tomorrow.

No, the board commission. And I don't know if it would be appropriate if the vote doesn't go the way I would hope it would go that maybe we write a letter supporting the idea of no flyover.

Yes. Okay. I think we all received an email about the indoor amusement. The applicant or somebody wanting to know and make sure that they can do indoor amusement. I don't know if somebody responded to that or I just wanted to make sure that person in the community understood that they can do what they were wanting to do based off our council meeting. So I don't know if staff received that and responded or...

I did respond and then gave them, um, Brad's direct contact. So whether they responded or replied to Brad, I'm not sure, but they were pointed in that right direction. I just told them to please verify with him that they could do that.

Um, the other one, I think mayor, you brought this up earlier in the meeting and I wanted, and Brad's not here, so I don't know if we should discuss it now, but I think what you were getting at was, um, and not having office professional as a zoning district. I think you were saying, can we just have community commercial that would allow office and would allow restaurants and trying to alleviate that where we just have here's community commercial that could allow restaurants and then here's office professional that cannot allow restaurants but can allow an office, whereas community commercial

Okay, move to extend the meeting until 1130. Second.

Yeah, so I, again, I wish Brad were here, but maybe we revisit it. But I think if there are things that we can do, I think... Some of our discussions that we have had up here have centered around preserving commercial space and wanting more things for our citizens to be able to do. So if there are things that we can do to make that easier for a restaurant to open up potentially that community commercial space, I think I would be in favor of that. And so I don't know if we want to wait till our next meeting to discuss when Brad's here. I just wanted to put that out there because after we had th

So maybe we just bring it up again in a meeting.

If you guys are OK with putting on the agenda, I would like to do that.

move for to put on the agenda for advisability at looking at. Potentially consolidating some of our zoning districts to allow more flexibility, specifically with the community commercial zoning 2nd.

Okay, and then last thing I do want to say, I don't want the city manager to feel disrespected by some of the comments that were shared. Um, just being able to watch how the mayor kind of navigates things. There's a lot that he does that I don't necessarily agree with. But I will say in the past when I've done these evaluations, I have been hesitant to say anything negative just because I don't want somebody to get offended. And I think some of those things I would agree with that that the mayor did put on there that I kind of highlighted in my report. I don't want I don't want there to be any

I would make that motion. I think it's a good idea. I think it's something that at some point I think we discussed it.

Yeah, I'll second it because I think we have.

I was going to say, can we put it on the next agenda?

So that's the motion. Let's put it on the next agenda.