City Council - Regular Meeting

Good afternoon everybody and welcome to the Visayas City Council work session. We welcome you guys here this afternoon. We'd like to go ahead and get started by starting with public comments. Citizens are now invited to comment on issues within the jurisdiction of the Visayas City Council. The council asks that you keep your comments concise and positive. Creative criticism presented with appropriate courtesy is welcome. The city does not tolerate disruptive behavior in our meetings. The council meetings are considered a limited public forum, which means the council can regulate the time, plac

Anybody else from the audience wishing to speak at this time? I see no one. City Clerk, do you have anyone online or on the phone wishing to speak?

Perfect. So we're going to go ahead and close public comments. And we will start off our work session with item number one, which is a Visayas Unified School District Measure Z presentation. And we actually have an intern, Jenna, who's going to be presenting the speakers for this presentation. So Jenna, if you'd like to go ahead and start and present them.

Thank you guys very much for that report. Council Member Soto, any questions or comments?

Thank you for... coming here today and presenting this. And I know one of the questions I get is, is what happened to the high school? And I think you hit on that today. And so I hope people listen and people vote. Thank you.

Yeah, I think you said that. How many years is the bond? They would be 30-year bonds. And they end up to 30 years. You guys don't have the option to renew the bond, correct?

And then is this 51, 50.1% or is it? 55%. 55%. Perfect. Yeah, good presentation. You know, it's funny, you're talking about schools here and I started thinking in my head, Actually, me and Mayor Taylor went to Crestwood Elementary School, and it probably looked like 70s furniture when we were there, and that was, I was doing the math in my head here, 87 through 95, and that's almost probably looks very similar. I wouldn't imagine. And then I actually went to La Jolla Middle School, first class through 95, 96. That was brand new when they first opened, and now you think about that, that was alm

Yeah. Thank you for that presentation. All those explanations. I've always been a strong supporter of the school district and will continue to be so. One question that I have been asking the public is can you give a little more about the oversight committee? We use those here at the city and they're highly effective and I think that just places a lot of trust in the voters when you talk about what an oversight committee would look like. Who is that gonna be? Who can apply? Just, you know, brief details on that.

And I had a few questions. So, and I know the answers to these, but I think it would be good for the community to know. So when, by saying if a school district builds new schools, where do you guys get the funds to build the new schools?

And so once you've built these, so developer fees pays to build new schools, you guys get matching funds to help build those schools. Once you've built the school, where does the money come to maintain it?

for major repairs. So there's not funds in your guys' general funds or in any school district across the state to completely redo these schools if they're needed to be redone?

So all the other high schools across the state, when they're looking to revamp or redo their facilities, they have to go out to bond just like you guys are doing right now, right? That is typical. Okay. So, I mean, one of the things that I think, I mean, I knew Moses. The one thing I didn't know that kind of caught me off guard was the... the slide you shared were how much we're being assessed for $100,000. That kind of shocked me, which it kind of makes me happy because it seems like we've always done more with less. And for what we're being able to produce here in our community, that's a rea

All right, we're gonna go on to item number two, which is a short range transit plan. Reimagine Study Presentation.

So John, just to be clear, interpretation, TCAG is gonna pay for this route to Tulare. Is that what? And that would not come out of our transit? Or I know TRA said they were doing a joint venture on this. So it goes to Government Plaza and then over to Tulare?

Okay. Yeah. And it's still, but it would still be 30 minutes between Government Plaza and Tulare.

I could see this taken off, especially with the Tulare COS campus and our campus. Yeah, that seems like that would end up being a really high ridership, yeah.

I have a question on that. So looking at this map, because one of the areas I was a little bit concerned about was the Mooney-Riggin between Houston and Riggin out there, we call it Birdland, because it's a lower income area. So you're saying if I look at this map at B, which encompass some of that, that would put them, they could catch the fixed route on Houston, or how would microtransit work out there? Would it be on demand, or would you have a stop where they'd pick them up every 15 minutes? How does that work?

And then do you envision that cost being the same as if they had just taken fixed route all the way?

Right, because that $5 fare is highly subsidized right now, and that's going to run out in three years.

I have a quick question. How difficult do you think it would be to try to educate people who live in one of these 10 zones that you can only use it if you're within this zone? I mean, that seems like, to me, a tall task.

So the app would hypothetically just say, you know, you're only allowed to be picked up in this zone? Okay. So then it would be fairly, okay, that makes sense. Yeah.

What's keeping us from making fixed routes free and charging for these two services? Or are we generating enough that it's worth us to keep charging for the fixed routes?

Dennis, do you want to speak to this a little bit? Just to fix routes, so not the tier one or tier two. Yeah, I understand. I understand what you're saying.

So will there be like a QR code on the buses and the bus drivers encouraging the folks to fill those out when they get on the bus?

I think that your bus drivers are going to be your best folks at getting that out to the people as they're stepping on the bus to say, hey, scan that if you want to give input on this. OK, thank you guys for your presentation. Councilman Pruchikian, do you have any comments or questions?

Yeah, good presentation. There's always been a frustration of mine seeing the empty bus routes that we have going, especially on the weekends. So I like what we're trying to do is more efficient. You know, will our users catch on or do this? That's the big question right there. I think the app will be our biggest ally, but basically what they put in their trip on how they're going to get there and that's how they're going to see it. But it is a change and sometimes change takes some time. So we'll see how our users adjust to that. And I guess this is a breathing tool that will constantly be ma

Yeah, thank you for the presentation. One more question. Would we ever consider maybe, I understand that we have to collect 20% back, maybe just as a marketing tool, providing like a couple months, two months, three months of fair service, just fixed route, of course. When this is implemented, if and when it's implemented?

And we promote that on the buses too or is that something that someone has to go to the office and ask for?

Oh, John, you had... Oh, do you have... Go ahead.

Thank you. Hopefully that does pass so we can get that funding. Last question. I'm going to throw a wrench in here. If we were to bring bus workers into, to become city workers, so in-house, get rid of third party, since we're talking about savings, would that save us any money? Not just with turnover rate, but I guess you're not taking out the profit margin out of the question, essentially.

And do you know how long ago that study was? Just for the record? Or roughly?

I like our timeline because it's going to give time for a lot of community input as well as council input, although I think that community inputs can be much more effective than ours. But do you, when will we see, if we start this in 2028, when will we see some measurable results? Will it be a year, a year and a half, six months? What's your estimate on that?

No, that's fair. That's what I want to say. I think it's going to take at least six months to educate everybody.

But if we have overwhelming response to one of these routes, which I can see happening, especially that Tulare, Vice City Tulare one, will we be flexible enough that we could add another bus and go 15 minutes between? In that scenario, if that happens, are we gauging ourselves so that we have some flexibility to increase if we need to? I'm not so much worried about the decrease but more the increase and kind of ride that momentum of people finding that they can get places that they need to in a reasonable time, and it's like all of a sudden we said, well, we could pick up more riders if we did

In addition to even a- It's June 2028, that's supposed to be finished.

All right, thank you guys for your report. It was definitely an interesting to see the draft network and the next tier one priority option. I think that would probably solve a lot of the problems. So I'll be interested to see what the public states when they do those surveys. So let's go ahead and open this up to the public. Anyone from the public wishing to speak on this item, please come forward and state your name and city residence, please.

Michelle, go ahead and ask all your questions. Oh, ask all my questions, okay. And then we'll have them answered when you're done.

We'll get all the questions after public comments done.

I got it written down, so. Okay, good. Anyone else from the public question to speak? If you'd like to speak, sir, come on up.

Anybody else wishing to speak? Okay, seeing nobody. City Clerk, do we have anyone online?

Is there anyone else online? Okay, thank you. We'll go ahead and close public comment and I'll turn it back over for a motion. Okay, so there's three or four questions that we need to answer. Okay, actually no, so I think it's just the one. So if you guys can answer the question. So it was how much money was made on fixed routes without the income from Dial-A-Ride? Do we know that number?

Great, so does our staff not know that? We can get that information. Yeah, if we can get that for our next meeting, that would be good.

And then do we sell monthly passes or passes anywhere else besides Transit Center? I thought we did.

So I got a question. I always find it crazy that you can't just go to the Vaisalia app and buy it. We can't just go to the app and buy a monthly pass. You have to actually come in person to buy a pass?

That's correct. But you're working toward that, right? With the consolidated fare with the county?

With that, I'll move that the council receive a presentation on the current progress and preliminary recommendations on the development of the short-range transit plan update and provide direction and input as determined.

Thank you. First and second. All those in favor, please vote. Item passes 4-0 with Council Member Nelson absent. Thank you guys very much. We appreciate your report. All right, next we're going to item number three, which is U.S. Department of Transportation Essential Air Service Program. Do we know how long your presentation is?

If we can keep it as quick as possible, we'd appreciate that.

But, Jody, there's no incentive to not. Before we had that option, we had terrible service, so it was in our best interest to just take the subsidy and improve our airport. That's not that case now, right? And we're bigger, and we can probably support it.

Thank you for that history. I just want people to understand there was a reason that we went down that road.

And the only expense would be the building that we would have to, because TSA would provide all the staffing, correct?

But we would get some money to help cover that cost from this EAS service, wouldn't we?

Great, thank you. Council Member Soto, any comments or questions?

No, thanks for the presentation. It's exciting, you know, this happens. I'm sure people will enjoy the service, and I don't know, maybe I'll take it one of these days. Hey, there you go.

Thank you. Thank you. Council Member Petigian.

Yeah, good presentation. So I remember the last carrier. Actually went on one of those planes to Vegas. And I want to say our air traffic controller was the person that checked us in. It's the most strict TSA I've ever been to. They left a note in my bag saying, we've gone through your bag. You passed whatever it was. And then our pilot was also our stewardess on the plane. And the plane went like this all the way to Las Vegas. So it was definitely an experience. So I'm excited for it to come back. I think it'll be very helpful. Sometimes it's hard to get to connecting airports. I think this w

Okay, for me, I would like to be part of this committee since it's in my district, but also would like to give the mayor the flexibility to choose the two members. So that would be how I would move forward tonight. But yeah, I'm excited to see what comes. I hope it's an affordable user. I was thinking that Surf Air, that's more like a private airline, for my example. It seems kind of expensive.

I will say this. I hope it's more reliable than the last one. Like I said, I had another trip. going to Las Vegas, and like a week before we were going to leave, I got an email saying, hey, your trip has been canceled. And it was finding tooth and nails to get my money back for that ticket as well.

Being on the BDC, TCDC, we talk to these big distribution centers that come in all the time. Number one complaint that we get a lot of time is it's hard to get to Visalia because if you're coming from a major, you got either Phoenix or Denver, then you come into Fresno and then you have to get here So I think it'll be very convenient for our residents and also people coming to Visalia to get this situation solved. So I'm looking forward to see where it happens. Like I said, being in my district, I would like to be on this committee as well.

Thank you. Just to help, I'm not interested in being it. So if we can choose tonight, I don't mind.

If we want to give it to the mayor. I join you as not being interested in myself. Councilmember Nelson did text me and say he would like to be on it.

Yeah, if we have two tonight, I don't mind making that motion unless Vice Mayor Nguyen wants to be on it.

What's the timeline on the involvement on the committee?

I'm not asking the right question. I mean, when would it start?

When do we, yeah, I didn't ask the right question.

Ultimately... 30 to 60 days after that October RFP is what I'm guessing.

Yeah, I would be interested in serving as well. Okay. And then my question was... For the part 139, is that funding, we would have to bear that cost? That we don't get any extra EAS funds or FAA funds or anything to do that? Dan, you got a grant you can hook us up with?

So I would not want to serve on this ad hoc. The airport is probably the least familiar area of the city for me, so I would want that expertise to go to people who have that. But I do have a question. From what I'm being told, our hangars are already gone. They're already being used in long-term leases. How do we get these new planes, once we bring them in, into hangars if we don't have any?

Okay, and then if we wanted to, what would it take to get hangers developed and built here on site so that they could have a permanent home?

Okay, one more question. Yeah, go for it.

So I know we've been very successful as a private, I know we've kind of had conversations that possibly maybe at some point, maybe like an Amazon Air or FedEx Hub or something like that. Would that take that option away off the table? Or is this affecting the private air market that we've been very successful in?

Okay, let's go ahead and open this up to the public. Anyone from the public wishing to speak, please come forward. Seeing nobody, city clerk, anyone online? Okay. Thank you for your report. So I would like to have Council Member Nelson serve on this just because he was on council when this was originally here the first time. So if that's okay with you guys, I'd like to have him on there between you two. Anyone particularly really want to be on this? Okay, well, then let's go ahead and... So we'll just need to make a motion to... How about I do this?

I'll move to have Mayor Taylor select two council members to serve on the EAS Ad Hoc Committee to coordinate with city staff on community outreach and the review of potential certified air carriers.

And maybe an alternate? Perfect. And then somebody can't make it? Sounds like a plan.

Yeah, that's what I was going to say. Okay, so we have a first and second. All those in favor, please vote.

I'll amend it to do two council members and an alternate.

All right, there it is. And that impasses 4-0 with Council Member Nelson absent. So thank you guys very much. We're gonna go ahead and adjourn. Thank you. And we will welcome everyone back at 7 p.m. for a regularly scheduled session of City Council. Good evening, everybody, and welcome to the Visayas City Council meeting. Today's September 21st, 2026. We'd like to go ahead and get started. We will start off with a Pledge of Allegiance by Vice Mayor Nguyen, and then we ask that you stay standing for an invocation by Deacon Paul Marquez from the Good Shepherd Catholic Shepherd.

Thank you, Deacon Marquez. We appreciate that. Okay, we'll start off with public comments. Citizens are now invited to comment on issues within the jurisdiction of the Visayas City Council. The council asks that you keep your comments concise and positive. Creative criticism presented with appropriate courtesy is welcome. The city does not tolerate disruptive behavior in our meetings. The council meetings are considered a limited public forum, which means the council can regulate the time, place, and manner of speech. Speaker comments during public comments must be limited to matters within th

Ma'am, that'll be on the public agenda item later on this evening. So right now would be the time to talk about anything not on the public calendar.

You can when the item's up. You absolutely can. So this is for items that are not on the agenda. Okay, seeing no one else, do we have anyone online wishing to speak at this time? Okay, so we will go ahead and close public comments. And are there any items of interest from the council?

Okay, so we'll go on the consent calendar. Council Member Soto, any items to pull? No items, thank you. Vice Mayor? Council Member Pichigan? Okay, and I will pull just one item, item number 12. I'll entertain a motion for the remainder of the consent calendar. Can you pull the comment first or no?

I'll make a motion to approve the balance of the consent calendar.

We have them first and second for the remainder of the consent calendar. All those in favor, please vote. Consent calendar passes 4-0 with Council Member Nelson absent. We're gonna go ahead and pull item number 12, which is the Water Conservation Implementation Responsibility Transition to California Water Service. I think staff had a correction to make on this one.

Perfect, thank you. Council Member Soto, do you have any questions or comments on this item? No. No questions, thank you. Council Member Buchigian?

Okay, so then we'll go ahead and I'll entertain a motion.

I'll make a motion to table this item to the next meeting.

Yeah, I'll make a motion to approve. I second.

Okay, so we have a first and second. All those in favor, please make your motion or please vote. Item passes 4-0 with Council Member Nelson absent. Thank you. All right, next we're going to go on to the regular items and public hearings. We will start off with item number one. So comments related to regular items and public hearing items are limited to three minutes per speaker for a maximum of 30 minutes per item. The mayor may reasonably limit or extend the public comment period to preserve the council's interest in conducting an efficiently orderly meeting. We'll start off with item number

Thank you so much. We got to listen to this presentation for an hour earlier today, so for us it's kind of a recap, but any comments from council?

No, no, I don't have any comments. Just let public get to have a second.

Perfect. Okay, so let's go ahead and open this up to the public. Anyone from the public who wishes to speak on this item, please come forward and state your name and city of residence. Okay, seeing no one. City Clerk, do we have anyone online? Okay, so then I'll go ahead and bring it back. We do highly encourage the folks who are interested to attend these three public workshops over the next few days and then also submit, scan that QR code and submit your your recommendations to help us improve our public transit here in the city of Isiah, so. We need a motion to accept just the report.

I move that the council receive public comment on the current progress and preliminary recommendations on the development of the short-range transit plan update for provide direction as determined.

We have a first and second. All those in favor, please vote. Item passes 4-0 with Councilmember Nelson absent. Thank you very much for your report. Next, we're going to item number two, which is the ordinance adoption staff report.

Thank you for your report, I appreciate that. Council Member Pichigian, any comments or questions?

No, a great report. Yes, answered all my questions. We're putting it under this ordinance. I'm excited to see this implemented, and hopefully this will deal with the bad actors with shopping carts.

No questions, no comments. Thank you for the report.

Yeah, we're definitely looking forward to it and appreciate your assistance on this to following state law. Because at the end of the day, we just want them to clean up their shopping carts and get them back into use. And I'm sure they want to collect them back because they're more expensive than what most people realize. So we appreciate you setting that up. So let's go ahead and open this up to the public. Anyone from the public wishing to speak on this item, please come forward.

Anybody else wishing to speak? City Clerk, do we have anyone online? Okay, let's go ahead and close public comment and bring it back to council. I'll entertain any further comments or a motion.

I move to introduce the first reading of ordinance number 202611, amending chapter 8.70, which will increase the amount for the retrieval and return of shopping carts per business and establish a cart containment system requirement for new construction and for existing businesses that obtain a building permit with a valuation exceeding $50,000. I'll second.

We'll go first and second. All those in favor, please vote. Motion passes 4-0 with Council Member Nelson absent. Thank you very much for your report. All right, next we're gonna go on to item number three, which is a Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act Public Hearing.

Thank you, Margie. Council Member Soto, any comments or questions? No comments, thank you. Council Member Puchigian?

So Margie, can you just explain, is this gonna be a project by the City of Isiah, or what is our involvement for the community to understand this a little better?

Perfect, thank you for explaining that. You're welcome. Let's go ahead and open this up to the public. Anyone who wishes to speak on this item, please come forward.

Anybody else wishing to speak on this item? City Clerk, do we have anyone online? Okay, let's go ahead and close public comment, and I will turn it back over to Council.

I move to adopt Resolution 2026-62 authorizing the issuance of bonds not to exceed 75 million by the CMFA for the benefit of Caldwell Associates LP to provide the financing of the project and to satisfy the requirements of Tax and Equity Fiscal Responsibility Act, the Code and the California Government Code Section 6500, and deposit the city's share of bond issuance fees into the redevelopment agency's successor housing fund to support affordable housing.

First and second. All those in favor, please vote. Item passes 4-0 with Councilmember Nelson absent. Thank you very much, Margie. Appreciate it. Thank you. All right. Next, we're going to go on to item number four, which is a pro-housing second public hearing. Staff report when you're ready.

Perfect, thank you guys very much. Council Member Pichigian, do you have any comments or questions?

I'll just reiterate what I was saying before about this. I know we've talked about this. These are all things that we've already been doing to get this pro-house designation, something not required by the state, but yet it is required by the state because if you want any kind of funding, you have to do it, but they're not requiring you to do it. So I'm just kind of playing that game. I just hope this doesn't tie our hands up in the future or... prevent us from doing something in the future but i know we've been doing these things so well we essentially have to pass it tonight or we won't get k

Yeah, I just want to say thank you. I mean, the reason you guys scored so high is because the way that you guys conduct your business here in the community is far beyond what other cities are doing. And we're supportive of housing of all different types here in the city. And that makes sense. You know, when we have 2,000 kids a year graduating, we want to make sure that those kids actually have a place to live. We don't want them taking off and not moving or not sticking around their family and moving off. We appreciate what you guys have done and allowing people to have all different types of

I move to adopt resolution number 2026-68, authorizing submission of an application to the state's pre-housing designation program to designate the city of Isiah as a pro-housing city.

I'll second it. We have a first and second. All those in favor, please vote. And the item passes 4-0 with Councilmember Nelson absent. Thank you guys very much for that report. All right next we're going to item number five which is the public hearing and five year PLHA plan approval. Margie that's you still so.

Just thank you and happy that we're funding these important programs here in the city. Thank you.

Yeah, Margie, great presentation as always. I'll be fully supportive tonight.

So I just have one quick question. This is obviously our third time or second time hearing this one. If we did want to change this in the future, let's say year three, we wanted to shift some funds around. Are we still able to make changes in the future?

Okay, that was my only question, just to make sure that there was some flexibility if needed. Yes. Wonderful. Okay, let's go ahead and open this up to the public. Anyone from the public wishing to speak on this item, please come forward and state your name and city of residence.

Okay, seeing no one else, is there anybody online?

Okay. So let's go ahead and pull this closed public comment, and I'll entertain a motion or any further discussion.

All right. I move to conduct a public hearing allowing an opportunity for citizens to comment on the proposed five-year PLHA plan. Adopt appropriate the proposed five-year PLHA plan. Authorize the city manager or their designee to enter into all contracts as listed in the five-year PLHA plan. Authorize staff to submit the final year PLHA plan to HCD and approve resolution 2026-60.

Second. Thank you. We have a first and a second. All those in favor of the motion, please vote. And the motion passes 4-0 with Council Member Nelson absent. Thank you, Marjorie. I think you're off the hook for the rest of the night. All right, next we're going to go on to item number six, which is appropriate funds for the 2005 JAG program.

Yes, that data does not include license plate readers on cops. I know that on the correct right because that's separate.

And so the rest would essentially be the license plate readers? Correct. Thank you.

Can they share it with outside agencies, the private ones?

Any questions? Councillor Soto, any questions?

Yeah, I got one question. This grant funding, besides the last three years, have we applied for it previous to that? And if so, what did we use that funding for previous to FLOC?

And then do we anticipate grant funding being able to cover costs moving forward for flock? Or is that something that we just have now and just will try to get in the future, but if not use like general fund money or something?

Yeah, I just wanted to... What do you see the future of flock cameras? Right now, you focus primarily on commercial, industrial downtown areas, is that correct? There's no plans to put these in every neighborhood, correct?

So I just want to make sure I understand this. If there was a suspect that, let's say, was wanted for murder and we know their driver's license number, or license plate, you'd put that in the system and if that vehicle popped up anywhere, you guys would be notified that the person was in that vicinity, correct? That's correct. Okay. I just want to make sure I understood exactly how that's being used. So it's similar to like the APBs you guys send out right now if you're looking for a wanted criminal. I mean, you guys just verbally say, hey, look out for this color vehicle, this license plate.

So off that same point, and he had the license plate number. So if you just have a driver's license, you can't just put in his actual license. Somebody needs a license plate number for it to pop up. Can you search a person or not?

So then, I mean, every wanted criminal in Visayas, are we submitting their license plates trying to find these people through the flock system?

Right, so you have to be wanted and known for you guys to be able to go and try to find us. It has to be related to an active investigation. Okay, thank you. So my only other question at this point is, have you found any inappropriate searches by any of our police officers?

Okay. Any other questions? Okay. Let's go ahead and open this up to the public. Anyone from the public wishing to speak, please come up to the podium, state your name and city of residence. And just a reminder, we will keep this open for 30 minutes. So Kathy Connolly, this is your time to speak.

Anybody else wishing to speak? Okay, seeing, okay, come on up. If there's anyone else wishing to speak, go ahead and form a line, please, so I can kind of get a count of how many people.

Thank you. Anybody else wishing to speak? Okay, is there anybody online?

Okay, so we'll go ahead and close public comments, and I'll turn it back over to Councilmember Poochigan with any questions or comments.

Yeah, Chief Salazar. This makes our community safer to have these cameras, correct?

And you feel like the police department need these cameras? I mean, I feel like we're getting this information pretty quick. Everyone's saying you pull the camera off a ring doorbell, but after that point, that car is long gone. We don't know where it's at at that point, right?

So... And these are all cameras. These aren't new cameras. These are cameras that we've all already unanimously supported, right? We're just redoing the funding for these cameras, correct?

And those are unanimous votes every time, I believe, correct? Okay. I'll be fully supportive of this tonight because we've already been doing it. I mean, I think you guys get a great presentation tonight. This makes our community safer and we've had these things for three years. We've been auditing in our system. We have safeguards in place. So I'll be fully supportive of this tonight.

Councilor Soto, any comments or questions?

Thanks for the presentation and thanks for what y'all do. I know you are one of the agencies that people look up to and I understand that we haven't found anyone misusing it internally. But my problem is that it's warrantless. And I know Chief mentioned that, you know, it'll probably get, you know, stricter potentially. And I think that case that was mentioned, that the Supreme Court recently ruled on, it's essentially heading that way. I believe we need to get a warrant to search this data. I mean, I know it doesn't track us. I know I understand that. but it can give you an idea of roads that

Essentially, it I know the word it was that it can it can essentially it provides a almost like a sorry, I wanted to use the word that was mentioned in the case. Give me one second.

Can I ask you a question real quick, Council Member Soto?

Yeah, yeah. You supported this for three years in a row. All of a sudden, it becomes a hot button issue, and all of a sudden, you're flipping on it. So why this sudden change? Because you were fully supportive of this for three years in a row.

So the word I was looking for, it can reveal private matters, including a wealth of detail about a person's political, professional, religious, and sexual associations based on the profiles that you can create based on where you travel. And so... I would, I mean, I know we locally can't, you know, make local, you know, jurisdictions outside of here give us, you know, file a warrant. I know it's a state issue. But to answer your question, I didn't, I mean, we're learning more and more about it, just as PD is and everybody else, that's why. And we're just... you're seeing court cases like the on

At what time, yeah. No, and I guess to clarify, it's the amount of these cameras that are being put. I know we started off, I don't know how many we started off with, but we're at, what, 20? We're going to be at 20?

It's the amount of the cameras that essentially will now create that profile, right? I mean, if I travel through these on a daily basis at the same time, you can kind of create a profile of, oh, Manuel goes to the gym, you know, at 9 o'clock every day. And so, yeah, you know, it's more of that. And that's why I think it's leaning that way, right? I don't think we're there yet. I don't think five cameras can do that. I think 20, 30, 40 cameras can definitely now start creating that profile. And so, yeah, I hope that answers your question. Yeah. But besides that, no, I would like to see that we

yeah okay yeah that's that's how I feel about this. I feel like this money can be used in other ways other tools that we have used in the past. I do believe that will eventually get to a point where this will will get overturned and we won't be able to use and it'll become useless junk that's just sitting on the side of the road so.

I'll be fully supportive of this. I believe that you should not have a huge expectation of privacy on a public road. That's why I was pretty pointed about the neighborhoods. I don't want a flock camera across the street from my house, but I don't really care because I have a Ring camera and I drive a Tesla, which I'm being tracked all the time anyway. I think this is a great tool for law enforcement. I love the fact that it was used recently for hit and run identification. I think about, at my age, I think about the lost seniors who drive off in their cars and their families are frantically lo

Yeah, one more question, Mayor, if that's okay. Yeah, absolutely. Do we know how many cities or counties have left canceled and or just are letting their contracts expire with flock? I don't have the number.

And do you guys know why, like the main reasons why? No, that was researched at all?

So it was said that we can create profiles of people's political, ethnic, and religious identities. Is that true that we're creating profiles of anybody?

Okay. So I did like the recommendation from one of the speakers who said that we should look at an outside oversight. I think that would be appropriate. So maybe that's something we can look at in the future. And I also like the idea of us as a city supporting legislation to crack down on misuse of inappropriate searches. Other than that, though, I think... If you're a criminal, be warned. Don't commit crime in Visalia. We're actively going to look for you. We're going to hunt you down. We're going to arrest you. We don't want you in our city. You can go somewhere else. So I fully support this

So I'll move to authorize the appropriate $46,489 in federal funding for 2025 Edward Burns Memorial Justice Assistance Grant program through the Bureau of Justice Assistance to fund nine flock safety fixed mount automated license plate reader cameras.

We have a first and second. All those in favor, please vote. Item passes 3-1 with Council Member Nelson absent. Thank you very much. All right. Do we have any closed session items to report? Thank you. Then we're going to go ahead and adjourn, and we welcome everyone to come back at our next City Council meeting, which will be on Monday, October 5th at 7 p.m. Thank you very much.