Council - Special Meeting

Check my watch clock for sure. All right, Councilwoman Skagg and Chief, we're ready to go? Okay. I'll let Councilwoman get up here, and then we'll get started. This is Clay's idea not to start till 8, so you can just give him a clap of the hands if you're not an early morning person. Anyway, this is workshops for September 17th. We have just two items on the agenda, so that's one reason for starting at 8. We feel like we can get through these fairly quickly. So I know it's not on the agenda, but I just, oh, it is on the agenda. Thank you. Invocation and prayer. Butch, spur of the moment, you d

Okay, Madam Clerk, look at who we have up here. This is great. Roll call, please. Thank you. Skog.

Here. Hello. Okay, your voice is very profound this morning, so it's projecting. Thank you. So we will get started here, and we're going to start with our first new business item, which is a discussion item. It's proposed mobile food vendor license update. Mark, you're going to do this one? Okay. Okay.

Mark, just a quick question on the 11 p.m. So do we have a noise ordinance for a certain time at night?

Mark, if I may just follow up on the good questions. So as far as the city and Clay, maybe you can speak to this too. But Cody's not here. Is there... As far as like a Lakeview Park or somewhere like that, is there, would it be allowed to potentially have a food court where the city would lease, have a lease agreement? Amy's going to speak to that. Thanks. Or Roddy, you guys can arm wrestle if you want to, see who goes first, but go ahead.

So if we put out that messaging, you know, private, I mean, just my personal opinion. I think that, to me, I don't like the city getting into a lot of different businesses and handling all that. to accommodate something like this, but if there's private entities and land that they think there can be a profit in that, I would encourage at least that messaging to be out there. Mayor?

20:06 – 20:58•DBDavid Bills

Mayor, I just want to follow up. Sean shared in a work session on this topic and brought up what's been done in other jurisdictions, and the private sector builds and puts in the improvements and Organizes who's coming and going far as the food truck business side of it City needs to weigh into that I think the city's ordinances should be what is being presented and then our other ordinances Take care of somebody saying Proximity of certain venues that this would be a good move to do Not city shouldn't. Events, yes. I would concur.

I'm sorry. We're going to let Councilwoman Jangle it and then you're on next with that projecting voice here. Just a minute.

21:09•NJNatalie Jangula

Thank you. Mark, thank you for the update. Have you received any pushback from any existing vendors as far as not allowing any seating or covering?

22:06 – 22:28•NJNatalie Jangula

And even on like the smaller little peddler ones where they... Okay. And then... We already answered the enclave properties, but if we do end up annexing, then those would fall underneath the city code at that time. Okay, and then lastly, what times do the neighboring municipalities have their food trucks end?

22:42•NJNatalie Jangula

And I would assume their cities also have noise ordinances as well that cut off at 11 or so.

Are you going to follow? That's good. Thank you. Just a minute. Rodney's going to speak, Councilman, and then you're on.

23:43 – 26:31•SGSebastian Griffin

Thank you, and my comments likely won't come as a surprise. Rather than adding more restrictions to our code, I even think we need to scale back our current code, let alone this proposed. I think we need to separate public property from private property. If a food truck's operating in the public right-of-way, obviously we have a responsibility to protect traffic flow and access and visuals if people can't see the right-of-way. The only time I've seen, really in my mind, a real egregious... uh vendor was driving on carter over by uh the theater they were setting up every night right on the side

Quick question, then we'll further this discussion. Just from a time standpoint, Doug, how much time do you realistically feel like you're going to need? 10, 15 minutes. Okay, so we're good for at least another maybe 10 minutes here. Councilman President, then we'll go. The councilman on my left.

26:48 – 28:41•DBDavid Bills

Thank you, Mayor. So in response to Councilman Griffin's comments, the affront for me and my experience is your comments are, yes, gee, why not just allow people to do things? If that be the case, then I'd sure like to see the building code thrown out. I'd like to see a few other codes thrown out. Because I'm tired as a purveyor of stuff to get hammered over and over by interpretation of a code. Why aren't we just all free for all? But we've learned food safety and other issues, why we have health departments who check, et cetera. But I think about the restaurant downtown that just recently op

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Councilman Reynolds, and then I think Councilman Rodriguez has comments. I just have a sense. Okay, Councilman Griffin.

30:54 – 33:31•SGSebastian Griffin

Just to respond, and I'm not trying to die on this hill, but if we're proposing scalebacks on the building code requirements, Councilman Bills, I will be very supportive of that. I think that we have too many regulations. I think we have way too much government overreach. in our code. So please, if you feel that we are being inconsistent because of this, I will help you find areas of code that we can scale back and I'll bulldog it right there with you. And in an enforcement sense, If we're concerned about people dumping into the sewer pipes, we need enforcement. Because like I had said, this i

Thank you, Councilman Griffin. Councilman Rodriguez?

33:36 – 34:30•VRVictor Rodriguez

Thank you. As I listen to everybody speak, I actually formulated a couple of ideas here. A year ago, I went to all the Hispanic food trucks, and they were enjoying a great time, of course, because there's no regulations. And so now, if we're going to start doing this, the only impact I see is to our employees. Stricter regulations equal more impact on our code enforcement. So if we do that, it's going to take them away from all the other stuff that code enforcement does. Think about giving them some help. All the other regulations that sit here, I'm okay with. And I really am not going to argu

Kent, I'm going to, if you don't mind, if you may come up and then respond to Councilman Rodriguez regarding staffing challenges. Thank you.

We have five minutes before we'll go on to the next discussion item. So whoever's next?

35:50•NJNatalie Jangula

Mayor, question for Kent really quick. Would it help you if we annexed in the enclave properties into the city? Would that help code enforcement?

So do we have any food trucks that we're currently aware that are on enclave properties?

There is one. Okay, so those then, how they could get around this, then would be to negotiate with enclave property owners, correct? Okay.

37:04•NJNatalie Jangula

So, Mayor, if we can, get that expedited onto our agenda to talk about that.

37:15 – 37:44•DBDavid Bills

We need to address as council and give direction to enclave properties and give planning and zoning direction if we're going to look at our boundary and look at all the enclaves. Enclaves are a real thread-the-needle approach of how people get by with not having to comply with things.

There's no question. So is that a discussion item for next month's forum? The council is looking for a nod. Yes. Okay.

So I think we're right in this mark. I thank you, my understanding, and this is not an action item, but as far as I understand, this will be brought forth in October for a vote from council.

39:42•DBDavid Bills

First meeting in October is... On the 5th, October 5th, okay? for us to adopt and move this forward.

And this would be an action item, not a public hearing, correct?

And Kent, thank you for you and your team, all that you do for the city of Napa. Appreciate it. Okay, we're going to move on to Doug. Doug, we have 19 and a half minutes.

45:48•VRVictor Rodriguez

Remind me what 673 is again. 673 is the ag bill.

Okay, thank you. Doug, just a quick follow-up on that. So when we met with our local legislators here two or three weeks ago, and I don't want to get anybody's hopes up, but I had somewhat of a sense, not so much on 389, but on 673, even from Representative Moyle, that there maybe needed to be some work done on that. Was that your sense? Yes.

So it is being at least discussed again.

So Rodney, quick follow-up with you then. So whoever this individual or agency was, are they ones that we could potentially be communicating with as far as even to help write a bill and then we lobby for a legislator to carry it or multiple legislators? What would be your opinion to get some action on 673 is my question.

So what does the city of Napa need to do to help this? come about?

So there's been discussion, I think, and I was impressed with the legislators, at least at the end, because they said we need to do this more often. So I would also am advocating to include at least one or two of our county commissioners WHICH IS THIS AFFECTS THE COUNTY ALSO. SO HOPEFULLY I WAS SAYING THE 1ST OF NOVEMBER WE MAYBE NEED TO DO IT SOONER THAN LATER SO MAYBE EVEN IN OCTOBER WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT A DATE WHERE WE CAN INVITE OUR LEGISLATORS IN. OKAY. COUNCIL PRESIDENT. NEW SPEAKER THANK YOU.

50:56 – 51:35•DBDavid Bills

I REALLY APPRECIATE THE INFORMATION TO THAT GROUP OF LEGISLATORS THAT CAME HERE AND SO As far as House Bill 673, the effect of it is one of two-fold. It either was to penalize cities for growing into the ag land, or it was to give commercial industrial properties a great tax break for putting up their buildings when they went forward. The effect is either, or both, so to speak. The motivation is unclear.

51:50 – 52:14•DBDavid Bills

Correct. And so, therefore, it seems like it was put forward from a penalty or contributions come from the commercial sector. legislative side of life. And so whichever that took place, the effect is really inappropriate to give that kind of a break to the individual.

53:14 – 53:34•DBDavid Bills

real shift from what the legislature in Idaho did 20, 30 years ago. The idea behind the homeowner's exemption was to give relief to the residential and to shift the tax to the commercial industrial. What's taken place in the last three to five years is the opposite.

53:37 – 54:03•DBDavid Bills

The effect is, can't determine the motivation, but the effect is has to, we want to reduce budgets in the city, and we want the homeowners to have to pay more. Philosophy-wise, it's the opposite. Exactly. This is just really two bills that are just head-scratchers. Yeah.

So my sarcasm, politicians are influenced by lobbyists and money?

54:17 – 54:31•DBDavid Bills

Some are. And some have those motivations. Okay. Not all. Any name that starts with S we're okay with.

Yes, yes, yes, Councilman Griffin. We have about four minutes.

54:39 – 54:59•SGSebastian Griffin

Just in terms of our fiscal impact tool that is being developed, are we going to be factoring in the highest potential loss that the city has been incurring or the lowest potential costs when we're calculating if growth is paying for itself? Doug's to respond. Thank you.

55:17 – 55:35•SGSebastian Griffin

But just uh Go ahead and follow up counseling driven with this new six million figure Has your opinion changed on whether growth is paying for itself?

56:57 – 57:24•DBDavid Bills

So keep in mind what Doug has given us is we haven't collected shy of $27 million over the last four years. So if we had 27 million in our budget over this last four years, could we have helped take care of some infrastructure issues?

57:29 – 58:31•DBDavid Bills

She's starting to get sarcastic, too. The thing about it is, you know, just on the commercial industrial side, that's the business community and the folks coming in. And so, again, I'm not trying to challenge motivation. I'm just looking at it from the standpoint the properties are being developed, the tractor supply coming into this valley, and the impact of that entity choosing this city to set up their distribution center and what they've put in but also the payroll the payroll that's going to take place in that facility and well and i i just i just look at it and say these these two bills