City Commission - Regular Meeting

Tuesday, September 8, 2026Official site

The Sunrise City Commission met on September 8, 2026, to present multiple community awards, discuss automated license plate readers, and approve several resolutions and consent items.

About this meeting

Government Body
City Commission
Meeting Type
City Commission
Location
Sunrise, FL
Meeting Date
September 8, 2026

Published excerpts

Only published remarks appear here. The full transcript is not published.

197 sections (from 209 segments)

1:19 – 2:10•Michael J. Ryan

Not a library. September 8th, 2026. If you would please call the roll.

2:30 – 8:43•Michael J. Ryan

Good afternoon. This meeting has been noticed both as an in-person meeting and a virtual meeting. The public may attend in person or participate in the meeting by calling 954-395-2401 and entering the code 368262. Procedures for public participation will be explained in a moment. Information for each item on the agenda has been and is currently available at City Hall and online 24 hours a day at www.sunrisefl.gov. Anyone interested is also invited to call 954-746-3430 for additional information. The city has provided various options for members of the public to address to the commission. Prior

8:44 – 8:58•Michael J. Ryan

Anybody in the public wish to have any item on the consent agenda removed and handled as a full public hearing? If so, please raise your hand or press five star on your phone. I see no hands raised. Can you confirm? All right. Go ahead and call the question on 4A through 0.

9:06 – 9:38•Michael J. Ryan

Yes. Those items pass 5-0. We have the quasi-judicial consent agenda 5A and B. Can I have a motion on the consent agenda? Motion by Commissioner Scudo, seconded by Commissioner Kirch. Any affected parties? Mr. Lebowski, 4, 5A or B? Okay. Is the applicant here and represented? Do you waive full quasi-judicial hearing in this matter? Thank you. Can you state your name for us? Sarah Thompson. Sarah, nice to see you. Do any of my colleagues wish to have this item polled for any questions or a full hearing? Hearing none, go ahead and call the consent agenda 5A and B.

9:47 – 10:06•Michael J. Ryan

Yes. Those items pass 5-0. Good luck and look forward to that getting open. We have 13A and B, which is just purely a first reading, and I think we'll talk about this perhaps at another occasion, but to maybe move this up since it's not going to be handled as a quasi-judicial. Move it. Motion by Commissioner Kirch, seconded by Commissioner Scudo. All in favor say aye.

10:08 – 11:22•Michael J. Ryan

All right, we're going to move up 13A and B, the first reading of 13A. This is the first reading of an ordinance to rezone property. The title of the ordinance is an ordinance of the City of Sunrise, Florida, approving rezoning from Community Business District B2 and General Business District B3 to Planned Development District, PDD, of approximately 20 acres of land generally located at the southwest corner of North University Drive and the West Oakland Park Boulevard within the City of Sunrise, Broward County, Florida, amending the zoning district map to reflect the rezoning, approving 270 mu

11:23•Joseph A. Scuotto

Let me just make sure I got that one right.

11:26 – 12:36•Michael J. Ryan

In order to the City of Sunrise approving the rezoning from General Business District B3 to planned unit development public district of approximately 9.65 acres of land generally located south of the West Oakland Park Boulevard between Northwest 64th Avenue and Northwest 68th Avenue within the City of Sunrise, Broward County, Florida. Amending the zoning district map to reflect the rezoning allocating for up to 33 flexibility units for the proposed project. Approving 229 multifamily residential units for the proposed project. Approving development program standards approving the form of the De

12:41 – 13:12•Michael J. Ryan

Wednesday, 23rd, 23rd is a Wednesday. Everybody good. Yep. Okay. Um, This is a procedure that we do to make sure the public is fully aware, not only by the advertising that goes out for the property, but to make sure that there is a first announcement of the proposed ordinance that gives folks enough time to organize and be here to have full input within our process. So I thank my colleagues on the commission for this process. I thank Tom and Mark for working on this and the staff. Okay, we're ready. Ready for some celebrations. Deputy Mayor, the floor is yours.

13:15 – 13:27•Jacqueline A. Guzman

Presentation of Teacher of the Month Award for September 2026 to Ramelon Keronigan from Bear Middle School and Christina Ingraham-Looley from West Pine Middle School. Kevin Picard, Director of Leisure Services.

13:58 – 15:46•Michael J. Ryan

All right. So what we're here to do tonight is celebrate teachers. For the last 16 years, the City of Sunrise, every month, recognizes a teacher of the month. And you're going to see in a little while, we recognize our hero police officers and firefighters and our employees who work so hard to make our city run well, to protect us, and to provide the customer service we expect. And we also recognize, however, that while we don't control anything in the schools, and I've said it many times, if you're complaining about the car loop, we have nothing to do with it. There's nothing we can do about

24:15 – 27:09•Michael J. Ryan

So tonight, we really touch on the big themes that become rooted in order to grow the plant of education. And it begins with the relationships in the classroom, right? Every student's different. And we need to recognize that teachers don't clock in and clock out. On the drive home, you're thinking about one who just didn't get it and what happened. What can I do to inspire? Or what can I find that will make them want to come back to school? And your ability to combine creativity with what has to be taught inspires and we know that there are just some students that need that to come back to fee

27:16 – 27:30•Latoya S. Clarke

The presentation for the Youth Athlete of the Month awarded September, 2026 to Madison Louise Pierre from Flag Football Cheerleading Program and Avery Diznis from Flag Football Program, Kevin Picard, Director of Leisure Services.

27:30 – 29:20•Michael J. Ryan

All right, come on, make some noise. Parents, come on down. You don't get to sit in the back and film. Get your speech ready. Just kidding. All right, so one thing that this city's done for more than 16 years is that each month take an opportunity to recognize great student athletes in our community. And this commission is not focused on, you know, what the metrics are, where they are on the pitch or what they've done on the diamond or the court or the gridiron. It's about who they are as people, what they've accomplished in their young lives already, and what they prove to us as adults is pos

33:01 – 34:49•Michael J. Ryan

So, Leisure Services did not disappoint tonight, and these two amazing young people. Let's take some time, though, to also recognize our coaches who volunteer, don't have a big contract, right, at all. We double your salary every year, right? So let's give the coaches who take the time and really care. And to the parents, right, it's a labor of love, right, to make sure everybody's there on time, they have their gear, it's washed, they haven't lost, you know, all sorts, your eyes are open wide, I know. I'm sure everything is always washed before you get there. But it takes a lot from the paren

35:22 – 35:49•Joseph A. Scuotto

Presentation D, presentation of the Firefighter of the Month Award for September 2026 to Battalion Chief Daniel Gamote, Captain Christopher Botello, Captain Alexander Compain, and Rescue Lieutenant Michael Mikey Rowland. His mother is a famous photographer in this city. And John McNamara, Fire Chief. Sorry I had to embarrass you.

39:38 – 43:52•Michael J. Ryan

So tonight, you know, we get to talk about things that we've experienced and we've had members of our fire rescue family respond to 9-11. They've long retired but still committed one who's passed from brain cancer, and we always can question whether it was because of his dedication to respond. And it reminds us that when there's not just a national tragedy, but a tragedy that occurs anywhere in the world, that these heroes may get called upon to go help someone that they've never met in an area that they don't know, for someone who will never attend a commission meeting to tell them how much t

44:23 – 44:36•Jacqueline A. Guzman

Proclamation proclaiming the month of September 2026 as National Service Dog Month in the City of Sunrise, Mayor Michael J. Ryan, Deputy Mayor Jacqueline Guzman, Assistant Deputy Mayor Latoya Clark, Commissioner Neal Kirch, and Commissioner Joseph Scudo.

44:37 – 44:59•Michael J. Ryan

Come on, make some noise. You've been hearing his collar all night, so... Thanks for doing this again this year.

45:18 – 47:01•Michael J. Ryan

All right, so, you know, we so often see in our community a service dog and we see the dog helping someone do something important and we can't always understand how that came to be or what happened to allow the dog to be associated with. But there's a whole team that starts years before you see that moment that are working so that it seems seamless to the rest of us. And it takes a lot of people. It takes those, of course, that need the service dog to inspire. It takes those that care about these canine companions to work hard to raise. And it takes... truly a village to help raise these dogs

50:38 – 50:49•Michael J. Ryan

plug about how to support canine companions and help us to understand what we do when we see someone with a service dog because we all want to run up and hug because we care that much

52:31 – 56:05•Michael J. Ryan

I know you got to take her on the road. She's good. She she's good. I don't want to follow that to the organization and the volunteers and the donors. The change in trajectory in somebody's life towards independence is really the driving. I hear that is the driving force. Right. As you pointed out, it changes lives. It saves lives for those who can't see, those who can't hear, those who just need the alerts, those who need their medication. The stories are so many that it seems miraculous, but we are very fortunate that in our community that there's so many people who care, both in terms of do

56:40 – 57:07•Neil C. Kerch

6g proclamation proclaiming september 15th through october 15th 2026 as hispanic heritage month in the city of sunrise mayor michael j ryan deputy mayor jacqueline a guzman assistant deputy mayor latoya s clark commissioner joseph ace gudo and commissioner all right big round of applause mary mary where's mary is she here sandra here as well

57:08•Michael J. Ryan

Are they here? Coming? Okay, coming. You got to come up. You got to come up.

57:35 – 58:41•Michael J. Ryan

Yeah, yeah, I know. Exactly. So we're here tonight to come forward. You don't have to hide in the back. Come on, come on, come on, come on. This is a loving crowd. They want to celebrate Hispanic Heritage Month. And it's something we've been doing in Sunrise a very long time. And we're so fortunate in our community to be able to celebrate the diversity of what Hispanic Heritage Month means. It's not monolithic, right? It represents so many influences. And in Sunrise, you can find those influences in art and music and food, as you can tell. throughout our community. And so it's an opportunity f

1:00:56 – 1:01:08•Jacqueline A. Guzman

Well, thank you all for being here. I appreciate you individually. I see the work you're doing in our community. It does not go unnoticed, and I look forward to continuing to building with that here, not just in Sunrise, but in Broward County. So thank you.

1:01:15 – 1:02:23•Neil C. Kerch

No, I want to thank you all for coming. You know, we celebrate Hispanic Heritage Month from September to October, but in my house we celebrate it every day. My wife is from Colombia. My son is 22 years old. He's Colombian-American. So in my household, we're dual culture, dual music, dual comidas, dual idiomas. All the things we do in our house, sorry. All the things we do in our house runs around Hispanic heritage and culture, as well as English heritage and culture. So in our community, it's I'm proud to be part of this great community where everybody is welcome, inclusive. It's our diversity

1:02:26 – 1:02:43•Neil C. Kerch

We all love to get along with our family. We all care about our kids. And I think it's important that, especially in this day of age, that we really focus on the commonalities and not the differences. So hopefully this month for Hispanic Heritage, we will do that going forward. So thank you for being here.

1:02:49 – 1:04:02•Joseph A. Scuotto

Congratulations. It's very important. I'm Italian, so we're still in that same type of region. But I just want to say, being up here on the commission for a long period of time, it was a gentleman who worked for all service at the time, Republic Industries, who and it was Pepe Lopez who started the Latin Chamber of Commerce. Some of you who may know him from many years ago, he was the original starter with the Latin, and then worked for BSO, and then BSO let him go out and branch this out throughout the county. So to the people who really started this back then, and to see now you guys are con

1:04:02•Michael J. Ryan

Good job, good job. Give them a round of applause.

1:04:09•Latoya S. Clarke

Congratulations. It's good to be in a city that honors all the melting pot of all the cultures that are here. Congratulations, and looking forward to seeing you again.

1:04:24 – 1:08:57•Michael J. Ryan

And the work you do, right, in not only supporting Hispanic businesses, but in outreach to the community and celebrating the Hispanic heritage, it influences all of us and makes us all better. And, you know, I heard from another mayor who used the phrase melting pot and then corrected me. And he said, you know, I don't really think of it as a melting pot. I think of it more as a stew. Because as you put each ingredient into it, it never loses its own character. It becomes part of something greater. And rather than losing, as was said, maintaining that cultural sense, but also helping us to cel

1:09:38•Joseph A. Scuotto

Presentation of the Outstanding Performance Award for September 2026 to Soraya Thomas, Public Service Aid, Daniel J. Ransone, Chief of Police.

1:12:00 – 1:14:16•Michael J. Ryan

So first of all, thank you for choosing Sunrise. Obviously, when the chief sat down with you, he saw something that really touched him, that realized that more than just an internship, you needed to be part of this family, of this organization. And you've taken that on in a full-throated way. You've really worked at it. And folks don't realize that behind the scenes there are PSAs like you who are making such a difference in our community. Sometimes we see them on the roadway, sometimes they're doing other things, maybe responding at the police department, and that are as critical in the forwa

1:14:44 – 1:15:01•Neil C. Kerch

All right. 6E. Proclamation proclaiming the month of September 2026 as Suicide Prevention Awareness Month in the City of Sunrise. Michael J. Ryan. Deputy Mayor Jacqueline A. Guzman. Deputy Mayor Latoya S. Clark. Commissioner Joseph A. Scudo. Commissioner Neal Kirch.

1:15:04 – 1:21:15•Michael J. Ryan

So, yeah, this is one that folks don't always clap to, right? It's a tough topic. It's a really tough topic. And for us in Sunrise, it's very raw. We know in the community that broader mental health issues are present for everyone and in all the communities. And we've worked really hard for years to try to reduce the stigma of not being okay. We've said it's okay to not be okay. And we have programs and we have outreach and we have work that we do to try to help, but we can't always know. And what we need to do as a community is not shy away from the topic. For too long, even the vernacular of

1:24:45 – 1:26:45•Michael J. Ryan

Give her a round of applause. And the work you do, just to put it in some perspective, because the survivors of those who've died by suicide are on edge. in so many different ways, and they don't know how to process, and they don't know how to grieve. And it's not just the family. It's the coworkers and the friends. They don't know how to grieve. They don't know what their grief should be, and everybody's grief is different. But we see too often, you know, it's replicated. That fear of suicide is replicated. And so the support groups perform an incredible function of not just – helping people

1:26:49 – 1:32:08•Michael J. Ryan

Yeah. But you know what? These kids are smarter today. They know what not okay is we, you know, didn't have the phones and things like that. And we need to make sure we're continuing to communicate. We have to grow up is really what has to happen. So on behalf of the city commission and our city staff, it's my honor to work with you and your team and the commission working alongside all those that work on suicide prevention, whereas suicides, a major public health issue that affects individuals, families, and communities across our nation nation causing immeasurable pain and suffering. Suicide

1:32:11•Joseph A. Scuotto

Yeah, that's fine. If you want to appoint the Piper High School student, that's... You want to make a motion?

1:32:17•Jacqueline A. Guzman

Motion to appoint the Piper High School student.

1:32:20 – 1:32:38•Michael J. Ryan

All right. That's Carly... M. Is Carly here? How do I say? Carly, come on up, please. I did struggle with this beforehand. And I'm embarrassed, but I'm so happy you're here tonight. Can you take a moment and introduce yourself to the millions at home?

1:33:39 – 1:34:54•Michael J. Ryan

Come on, a round of applause for that. And Carly, if I can call you by your first name, Carly, what we would say to you is we need you. Your community needs you. And the fact that you took the time not only the service you're already providing right you could just do your club work and do your high school work but to reach out beyond that and be part of the community and advising us what we need to do is inspirational and we're really grateful to you you're joining a great board they really care they're very active and there's a lot going on right now so we really really need you and so we're

1:34:55 – 1:35:49•Joseph A. Scuotto

I just want to touch that. It would have been nice if John Pierre was still here from Republic. Yeah. Because they had the electrical garbage truck outside that they just rolled out into Coconut Creek. And I had asked them if they would be willing to bring the truck here so that the city commission could see it here in Sunrise. And I asked the city manager if it would be okay to allow them to bring the truck here. But that would be a perfect where... You have one of your meetings at the school that maybe Republic could bring someone or a truck and talk to you guys about what it is that they do

1:36:01 – 1:36:25•Joseph A. Scuotto

Oh, good. So I'm just going to tell you. find out from the principal, I'm growing like 500 palm trees and I got all kinds of other trees that I'm given to also to West Pine. So I would love to give them to you because they said they want you guys to plant and I could load up your school. We would love that. Thank you so much. I got a way to get rid of some of my plants. My wife would be so happy.

1:36:25•Jacqueline A. Guzman

Actually, Mr. Lewis reached out two years ago wanting more trees on school, so it's perfect.

1:36:31 – 1:37:05•Michael J. Ryan

Yeah. uh so see what happened you came here to apply and you brought back swag for the school right um and there's so much work that that the schools are doing right now uh the school board is launching a recycling curriculum in this coming year and working with the Solid Waste Authority. In addition, Carly, we're going to need you to join the composting pilot program that is just starting. So we'll get you the information before you leave. Just get with Lourdes. She'll put you on that list so you get all that information. And we look forward to working with you going forward.

1:37:07 – 1:38:43•Michael J. Ryan

All right, don't go anywhere because we had a motion and a second. We need a formal vote. All in favor say aye. Aye. Anyone opposed? Nope. Congratulations, Carly. Thank you so much. Great job. All right, B, a resolution of the City of Sunrise, Florida, appointing members to the Unsafe Structures Board and providing an effect date. City Manager Mark Lebelski, Felicia M. Bravo, City Clerk. Do I have a motion? Move it. Motion by Commissioner Scudo, seconded by... Deputy Mayor. Okay. So we have a number of different applications. First of all, to Felicia I know she's not well tonight. I want to sa

1:38:44 – 1:39:07•Michael J. Ryan

Motion by Deputy Mayor, seconded by Commissioner Kirch. Any discussion on that? All right, so the slate is HECMET, BALM, and Ramos. All in agreement? Yeah? All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay, we're good. Thank you very much to the clerk's office for all the work on this and pulling the applications and to each of the individuals. For the what?

1:39:15 – 1:39:28•Michael J. Ryan

Mr. Ballum's going to be the architect and Ramos is the manager. But for the other three, if you would, please generate a letter of gratitude from the commission to the other applicants, which I'll sign on behalf of the commissions that we communicate that out.

1:39:29 – 1:40:21•Michael J. Ryan

All right, thank you so much. All right, we have a number of items. Let's see if we can clear some folks out. There's 12A. Do you have a motion to move that up? Move it up. Motion by Commissioner Skudo. Is there a second? Second. Second by Deputy Mayor. All right, 12A. Commission discussion or action refers to reading orders of the City of Sunrise, Florida, amending Chapter 3, Alcoholic Beverages, Article 1, Alcohol Beverages, by amending Section 3-4, Hours of Sale, Consumption, and Service Restricted, to clarify the hours of sale, service, and consumption of alcoholic beverages. on the premis

1:40:22 – 1:41:08•Joseph A. Scuotto

Thanks, staff, for bringing this forward. At one of our previous meetings a couple of months ago, something tragic happened at one of the banquet halls. And because of that, as a city commissioner, I wanted to make sure that People that have businesses that want to operate after 12, 1, 2, 3, 4 in the morning have to go for the extended license and come before us and go through a whole process. The people who have banquet halls, and I'm just saying, this is just a normal.

1:41:13 – 1:45:48•Joseph A. Scuotto

You could rent Nob Hill Hall. You could rent Flamingo Hall. You could rent SAC Hall and have parties for your family or whatever. But normally, you don't stay till 4 o'clock in the morning. You're not serving alcohol till 4 o'clock in the morning at one of your city banquet halls. The banquet hall that this happened at was one of the busiest banquet halls that Sunrise had 50 years ago, 40 years ago, 30 years ago, 20 years ago. It was one of the only banquet halls that we had in the city. It was two-story, set up on top of the second story, and it was called Justin's at the time. served food, a

1:45:49 – 1:48:15•Michael J. Ryan

You know, I mean, I think the tough part was and I know I talked to Mr. Lebowski and to Tom on this as well. And the issue is equal protection. Right. They have the same rights as any other business. The points you've raised and raised previously in trying to bring this forward were all salient and almost seem illogical that we can't do something because there's something about an existing business that's open every week. It closes at 1, knows its obligations, right? But the banquet hall is opening itself up to parties, right? that are not consistently managed or overseen. And that's the frust

1:48:15 – 1:50:36•Joseph A. Scuotto

It took a murder to figure out that there was something missing. I just wanted to say to one other thing is you mentioned about the brick and mortar or whatever, but it's kind of like an Airbnb if you think of it like that. If you rent your home or you rent your apartment or you rent your condo to someone for one year, you would feel that that person that's renting it for the year is going to be consistent. But when you rent an Airbnb, it's for three days. And usually the people that are renting it are going from zero to 60 for the three days. I mean, we've had this problem where I've never re

1:50:37 – 1:50:57•Michael J. Ryan

All right. Between first and second reading, Mr. Moss, I think we need to do, and Mr. Lebowski, just a deeper dive on this, because I think all the points that have been raised previously and tonight are the concerns. And if we can't do anything, we can't do anything. But let's just make sure there's nothing, there's no further guardrails we can put on that. All right, any further discussion? Commissioner Clark? Sorry.

1:50:57 – 1:51:18•Latoya S. Clarke

Mr. City Manager, is this going to be imposed on the owner of the establishment? They have to register saying that they're going to be open to keep this because according to the reading, it says that they can also get licenses from a person that actually has this type of extended license. So how exactly are we going to really monitor this?

1:52:16•Joseph A. Scuotto

So we can pull any liquor license if they came for a special exception?

1:52:45 – 1:53:08•Latoya S. Clarke

So how exactly is this information going to be related to the current owners who did not do any of this before? And now they're going to have to change their complete business model. So is there a retroactive? Like what exactly? Because I'm imagining that they would already have individuals who are already pre-registered to have their business operating. So exactly what are we planning on doing?

1:53:20•Joseph A. Scuotto

So I'm just going to touch on what Commissioner Clark said. They're already operating after two o'clock now, these five?

1:53:34 – 1:55:10•Joseph A. Scuotto

Well, we don't want to, she's changing the business model. This is not their business. Wait, wait. If their business model has been to operate past 2 o'clock, well, you were just doing it because there was nothing on the books. I'm not trying to jeopardize their business, but obviously now they were operating like a club and not as, that's what I'm saying. So this is where I was getting at. So I'm, look, this is the reason why I wanted this. And I talked about this because if these five people are operating as a club, okay, and saying that it's a catering hall, and then I'm gonna go further. Y

1:55:41•Joseph A. Scuotto

Well, we didn't pass it yet. Right now, they've been operating because there's a loophole. That's the sad part. Yeah, but the point is, is I think...

1:55:50 – 1:56:13•Latoya S. Clarke

The point is that there's a lot of things, logistics, that's going to have to change for these individuals who are operating their business because... Well, we caught it, and they shouldn't be doing it. But we didn't have a law that said that. Right. So the persons who are operating this business need to be notified so that they can amend their agreement. You guys are not debating anything. We're all on the same page.

1:56:13 – 1:56:24•Michael J. Ryan

So just let her. I think there's two things. One, need to have outreach. Two, let them know this is coming back for a second reading. Anybody wants to come and complain about it?

1:56:24•Joseph A. Scuotto

Yeah, we'd love to meet them, too. I mean, just so that if we could have a business, if we want to know where they're located, that they're open until 4 o'clock. I mean, that would be great for other people that want to go there.

1:56:34•Michael J. Ryan

All right. So are we all in agreement? Can we just move this one forward? Yeah. Okay. Any further discussion? Call the question. Did we have public comment? Yeah, I'm going to come back to that. We're not done yet. Call the question.

1:56:52 – 1:57:34•Michael J. Ryan

Yes. Item passes four to one. Tom, you know what to do between now and second reading, and Mark, you know what to do in terms of outreach, yes? Yes. Yes, sir. Okay. At this time, we'll open up for public discussion, public comment on items that are not on the agenda. If anyone here wishes to speak on some item that is not on the agenda, please raise your hand and come forward or press five star on your phone. Is it on the agenda? Not kinda. It either is or it isn't. Yeah, that's on the agenda. Okay. Appreciate you. And I appreciate your patience tonight. I've seen you here all night. So hope y

1:57:35 – 1:58:27•Michael J. Ryan

All right. I'll close public discussion. All right. We've got folks here on 17A. Let's see if we can at least clear the house on those folks. Can I have a motion to move up 17A? Move it. Motion by Commissioner Skudo, seconded by Commissioner Kirch. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay. 17A, resolution of the City of Sunrise, Florida, approving a letter of intent, City of Sunrise development incentive agreement between the City of Sunrise and PCGP Holdings II, LLC, providing for a public purpose, authorizing the city manager and city attorney to continue negotiations and take further ac

2:01:37•Michael J. Ryan

Okay. Any discussion from my colleagues?

2:01:47•Michael J. Ryan

Can you give us your name, introduce yourself?

2:01:58 – 2:06:32•Joseph A. Scuotto

So I had the privilege of meeting with you. I also had the privilege of voting for the Pinnacle First Project on Pine Island Road probably like 25 plus years ago. You know, as soon as I walked into that meeting and you were looking for monetary, you know exactly what I said right off the bat that I'm not going for it. And I said, if you want to walk, go ahead and walk. Because I just didn't feel like we needed to be subsidizing. So by the end of our meeting, you said that you'd be willing to swap property, that if we buy property, you'd be willing to give us property. And then I went further.

2:06:56 – 2:07:31•Joseph A. Scuotto

Okay, as long as you understand, I'm sure when you go through the process, you will figure out what's best for the residents that we don't repeat the same problem we just had. Not that anybody meant to do it, but... we don't want it to be whereas you know the residents are just against the development and they said don't touch my fence and then now all of a sudden they're like oh why didn't you connect my fence so we did it on hiatus road i just want to make sure that we do this here so you understand what i'm saying i just i had to just put that out it's understood commissioner it's understoo

2:08:03 – 2:08:29•Joseph A. Scuotto

And if you could just make sure that maybe you go to one of the homeowners associations down there to tell them that you're going to be working with them, Mark, if staff or whoever wants to coordinate, so at least they know what's coming. Even though the signs have been up, but they were up, they came down, they went up. Now they fell down. I just I want to make sure that the residents know that it's now it's coming because it's been vacant for 60 years.

2:08:30 – 2:09:31•Michael J. Ryan

As a city, I'm saying for those of us who live through the racetrack issues. And I know Commissioner Clark lived through it on the Eastside Residence Association. We lived up here repeatedly for many, many meetings. This is a credit to each of the commissions before who stood strong to city staff who refused to agree and continued to fight back against that. And Pinnacle has a great track record here in the City of Sunrise, as I've explained to you. We were fortunate not too long ago that one of the aides to a congressional representative, grew up in the pinnacle that you approved and talked a

2:09:41 – 2:10:15•Michael J. Ryan

Yes. Item passes 5-0. We have a budget item. We may be able to release some folks. 16B, Commission Discussion or Action. That's 16B. Can I have a motion to move that up? Motion by Commissioner Skudo, seconded by Commissioner Kirch. 16B, Commission discussion and interaction regarding budget transfer for the City Commission Office, City Manager Mark Lebelski, Lawrence Lawrence Administrative Services. Motion? Motion by Commissioner Skudo, seconded by Commissioner Kirch. The backup is here. It's just moving some funds to get us through the budget. Anything further from that, Mr. Lebelski? No, Mayor. Any discussion from my colleagues? Go ahead and call the question.

2:10:24 – 2:10:44•Michael J. Ryan

Yes. Item passes 5-0. All right. We've got the automated license plate reader, 16A. Can I have a motion to move that up? Motion by Commissioner Kirch, second by Commissioner Scudo. City Commission discussion and our action related to the automated license plate reader, Deputy Mayor Jacqueline Guzman. Thank you. Deputy Mayor, the floor is yours.

2:10:44 – 2:11:43•Jacqueline A. Guzman

Thank you. So I brought this item back for discussion following the new state law regarding license plate readers on state roads. I also believe this provides an opportunity to take a broader look at our program and make sure we understand how it's operating today. This is not about being against or for the license plate readers. We all want a safe community. My goal is to make sure the program is effective, appropriately deployed, and has the proper safeguards. There are a few questions I believe we should answer for our community and for our own knowledge. And if it's possible to get the chi

2:11:55•Jacqueline A. Guzman

Let me finish all my questions, if that's okay. It's not that long. That's fair. And then we'll go over yours, and we'll just follow up.

2:12:06 – 2:13:01•Jacqueline A. Guzman

Thank you. The other questions are, how many cameras do we currently have in Sunrise, and how many are intended? When we originally discussed the program, the focus was largely on a strategic entry and exit point. Today, the network appears much broader. Is the current deployment consistent with the original plan, and are these the right locations? Also, is the program producing results? I'm sure you have those answers. How many cases has it helped solve or advance? How many stolen vehicles, for instance, or suspects has it helped identify? And do we have evidence that the cameras are helping

2:18:04•Jacqueline A. Guzman

Yes, Mayor. Sure. Okay. So my question, I'm going to go down quite a few. Who has access currently?

2:18:25•Jacqueline A. Guzman

And the data, I guess they can answer, but how long is it retained?

2:18:59 – 2:19:38•Jacqueline A. Guzman

So going back to the question about 30 plus people who may have access to it, my ask or discussion amongst my colleagues would be to put the guardrails particularly on that number and not allow that many to have access to it, just to ensure the public and many of us that we are properly authorizing who freely has access at any given time for the proper use. Not that I'm questioning it, but just because I believe the more guardrails we have in place, maybe the more the public may trust, if that makes sense.

2:20:31 – 2:20:47•Jacqueline A. Guzman

before i go to the next questions i don't know if that's something we want to stop right there to discuss go through your questions so the next question would be um how many cameras do we currently have across the city sure good question so the the contract allows for 159 polls 227 cameras in total now we just started this program about a year ago

2:21:09•Jacqueline A. Guzman

So of the 116 that are currently there, I'm assuming those were maybe like the high treats that were-

2:21:43•Jacqueline A. Guzman

And so out of all the entry and exit points, do you know roughly what that total might be versus the 227 intended?

2:22:13 – 2:22:33•Jacqueline A. Guzman

Okay, I'm almost done with some of the questions. I'm sorry. Thank you for your patience. But in reference to the current readers out there that you've been utilizing, has it been helpful? What's the percentage? And then do you believe if we were to add the additional 146, would it really be helpful? Or if we don't, will we be stuck?

2:23:15 – 2:24:01•Jacqueline A. Guzman

And lastly, I'm just about to sum this up. Just as an example, I'm not a pill. We have on Sunrise Boulevard as we're entering Sunrise, and then of course going all the way north to Commercial. Specifically on Sunrise Lakes Boulevard, those particular communities, even on Pine Island, a lot of our senior communities, if you will, there are literally cameras like block to block to block or back to back, if you will. As an entry point and exit, I'm just thinking, where did the strategic part, putting those in there, instead of just the entry and exit, which would have been a sunrise and commercia

2:25:20 – 2:25:33•Jacqueline A. Guzman

Last question, and I guess it would be to my colleagues. Hypothetically, let's say we don't continue with more than the 116 that are currently out there. How would that look like for our cases and moving forward and whatnot?

2:26:10 – 2:48:41•Michael J. Ryan

All right. This is a topic that is worthy of the time being dedicated here tonight and one that is part of a larger discussion that we're all struggling with and that is technology in our lives. We're not struggling with technological advancement of the Walkman to the iPod. We're struggling with far deeper concerns, from AI and the impact on our economy, on our workforce, and even our own safety, to the expansion of technology tools used by both private and state actors. How many of us have walked into a store and surprisingly received a coupon or an email or a text from that store, and we won

2:48:44 – 2:57:37•Michael J. Ryan

I'm not done yet. Leaving aside the identifiable value and the number of cases we believe were not solved because we didn't have the technology, and those that were solved only after extraordinary dedication of resources taken away from other law enforcement responsibilities, that doesn't end the analysis either. Because that's what law enforcement would say for every technology. It has value. Instead, we've been evaluating the systems because our department's been on the front line of relying on this technology for a long time, long before we had it, relying on our neighboring cities for help

2:57:40 – 3:01:28•Joseph A. Scuotto

So this is... This is like multi tiered I mean this just didn't start out by. People are just worried about the license plate readers so I mean it's political on one end there's governors all over this country running right now there are senators all over this country running there's Congress people all running so. Whoever they pissed off and flocked that started this, that they're after flock in general. So, I mean, everybody thinks that the only people that do this is flock. I'm just saying as a name. So now you have everybody that starts bringing in everything about, you know, we're looking

3:01:31 – 3:01:46•Joseph A. Scuotto

Right. Okay. So now you say supervisors. So now in a normal person, is that a detective? Is that a sergeant? Is it a lieutenant? Tell me how it would start off.

3:02:31 – 3:03:29•Joseph A. Scuotto

So as the chief, you feel comfortable in the amount of people that you have that are allowed to access this right now? Yes, sir. And they're only specifically assessing this into the computer system for the LPRs if it's an investigation or something. It's not like just I want to look up somebody's license plate. So I'm just saying. So if that's personal, I mean, look, anybody could do something stupid. No one's saying not. But if you have, like you said, if it's somebody who had eight years on the job, obviously that person doesn't want to lose their job. And then if they have to go to a serge

3:03:41 – 3:10:43•Joseph A. Scuotto

About 30. So now I know for just personal. So every time that the Lord Hill cops would come in my restaurant, and you all know this, and I would say, thank you. Thank you for letting us use your LPRs. And I would say we have nine, but none of them were even on, right? I'm just saying, up until how many years ago? Four, four, five years ago. And then this opened up, I'm saying for us as a city, only opened up that we had nine until Sawgrass Mills Mall came here and asked if we would be willing, if they pay for them, that they could put them on their property. And I'll just say, I'm going to go

3:10:47 – 3:13:47•Joseph A. Scuotto

Look, we're not here to go into people's homes. We're not here to go into. But look, if you're doing something wrong, you know, it's a tool for you to catch them. You know, no different than if I don't want to put the E-ZPass in my car because I want to drive up north and I don't want to pay the toll. I mean, it can't happen anymore. I'm going to get hit at commercial, Atlantic, sample. So come on. I mean, for all the people that are talking about that it's invasive, it's intrusive, it's whatever, I don't feel that's why we're using it. So I'm happy to support this. Most of ours are on city ro

3:13:51 – 3:14:31•Joseph A. Scuotto

Okay. So right there, that's almost half of the people who should have access to this. Then you have sergeants and lieutenants. So it's not like you really have anyone that shouldn't really have this access. So I think we're in the right direction of how you're doing this. The only thing I could say bad about them is how big the solar, and that's the other thing that people say. So if anything, that is the only thing that I hear. Because when those first started going in, everybody thought that those were speed cameras because, I mean, that's what it is.

3:14:33 – 3:16:06•Joseph A. Scuotto

Right. And I would just say the last thing with the Sawgrass Mills Mall, imagine what we used to buy for surveillance. A scissor truck with the glass on top that we would raise up in one little part of the sawgrass to look out to see if we could see a crime or put it somewhere else. But that was what we had at the time. And times have changed to get something that's a little bit easier and not manned. Not that I'm taking away from manned stuff, but It's going to help you a thousand times over than putting 50 of those things around the mall because the people were robbing or stealing or robbing

3:16:06•Michael J. Ryan

To my other colleagues, it was public discussion, but I'll open it up before anybody has any comments before public discussion.

3:16:13•Neil C. Kerch

I have comments, but I'll wait until public discussion. I'll wait until public discussion.

3:16:17•Michael J. Ryan

Okay. Okay. All right, I'll open up for public discussion. I know there are a couple of folks that have signed up, if you would. Jason, who's Jason? Okay, perfect.

3:16:27•Joseph A. Scuotto

His 20 minutes are up. He's really late for wherever he got to go.

3:21:52•Michael J. Ryan

And I congratulate you on that. Sometimes loud voices are important. I agree.

3:22:01•Michael J. Ryan

As I said, I'm not going to only listen to loud voices. We're going to look at this the way it should be. And the abuses that you point out,

3:23:23•Michael J. Ryan

They're still operating. They've paused the expansion of it.

3:24:27•Michael J. Ryan

Under state law, it's three years. That's FDLV. That's a bit extreme. It is if it's not a cold case.

3:24:45 – 3:25:23•Michael J. Ryan

Listen, that's part of the legislative debate, and the legislature has allowed this. I'm not stopping your time, but one of the frustrations I think I have is the performative politics of this where they could call for a special session and address these issues. They could hammer this out as to what the legislative response is, and instead what we're hearing is that sometime in the future they might talk about it. It's important to talk about the abuses. It's important to talk about who's got access to the data. It's important to talk about private actors. But in the meantime, the question is,

3:26:24•Michael J. Ryan

That's frustrating. And don't leave tonight without giving your information because I want to understand what happened there as well.

3:28:00 – 3:28:26•Michael J. Ryan

It's a great question, right? So it's part of the struggle here as we talk about this publicly. If we said tonight, let's shut off in Sunrise Lakes Phase 1, Phase 2, Phase 3, Phase 4, very vulnerable populations. We're telling everybody, you're free to come and go. And we've been playing whack-a-mole on trying to chase people who committed crimes here. It's a tough issue now that it's here.

3:28:58 – 3:29:34•Michael J. Ryan

We do that. If that was that simple, we'd have no speeding on hiatus. Every time we put speed out there, we put the traffic enforcement. You like that. I like him, by the way. It's a nice car. It is. It's a Buick. But listen, the day he moves to Pine Island, you know what happens on hiatus. Everybody lights up again. He can't be everywhere in every corner. That's the challenge. You raise a good point, though. Thanks, Jason. Do it. Yeah, make sure you get the information so we can find out about that. Go ahead and give us your name and address. Mr. Mayor. Lift the microphone up.

3:30:56 – 3:31:10•Michael J. Ryan

Major? Will? The acoustics in here, we can hear on the back row. Anything here? If you could just, it just resonates for us, even if the others can't hear it. Thanks, just a little distracted. Go ahead, Stuart. Didn't cut off your time.

3:32:30•Michael J. Ryan

Maybe they can find me. Well, our LPR data won't do that for us. We don't get individuals' movements.

3:33:01•Michael J. Ryan

Thank you, sir. All right, anybody else who wishes to be heard on this matter?

3:35:30 – 3:35:41•Joseph A. Scuotto

watching law abiding residents you speakers that's why it's said when people get misinformation bring it forward speaker

3:48:28•Michael J. Ryan

State your name and your address, please.

3:52:08•Michael J. Ryan

Thank you. Next speaker, you can release.

3:52:22•Michael J. Ryan

Yes. Go ahead and give us your name and your address.

3:52:38•Michael J. Ryan

It's actually required for us to get it for the record. I apologize. But if you're not going to do it, I can't force you to. I can't force you to, so if you don't want to, there's nothing I can do about it. Go ahead.

3:54:44 – 3:55:17•Michael J. Ryan

So let's do this. I know you don't want to give your address or any of your identifying information beyond your name, but I'd like to get your phone number so staff can call you and the police department can call you regarding the dumping. as well as this car almost hitting your neighbor and the dog. I wish there was an LPR there that we would have been able to identify the car. But I don't know how you want to do it. Perhaps you could, you have the number, right? All right. So Lourdes has your number because you called in. She's going to give it to the police chief and staff so they can call

3:55:21•Joseph A. Scuotto

It's the neighbor that had the caved in. So thank you. Thank you for the time.

3:55:55•Michael J. Ryan

All right, so again, they have your name and your number. They'll call you directly, okay? Is that fair?

3:56:02 – 3:56:16•Michael J. Ryan

All right, thank you so much. Next speaker, any others? All right, I'll go ahead and close public discussion. Any further comments from my colleagues? I just want to add one thing. No, no, not yet. Nope, nope. Go ahead.

3:56:18•Joseph A. Scuotto

Oh, no, I thought she was done. No, no, no, no. Go, go, go. I thought you said you didn't have anything. No, no, she doesn't.

3:56:25 – 3:57:21•Latoya S. Clarke

All right, so I'm glad that we brought this conversation back since we didn't actually have a conversation the last time about it. And so now that we have established that we are projected to have over 200 cameras in addition to the red light cameras, in addition to the school cameras, in addition to the fact that I was talking about how many cameras we have per square mile within this city, and within a specific area, I would still like us to have a deeper conversation about whether, wherever, whatever we do tonight about where the placements of these cameras are and reevaluate that particula

3:57:57 – 3:58:21•Latoya S. Clarke

So we have a revision of what this policy looks like. So my question is, prior to all of this happening, these amendments that are these policy points that you just laid out, were these amended to account for this discussion that we're having, or this was already in place?

3:58:55 – 3:59:12•Latoya S. Clarke

When we store this information and how long we utilize this information for and who has access to use it and who gives the ultimate decision when we need to use it for cross parties or cross cities, correct?

3:59:15 – 3:59:34•Latoya S. Clarke

So my next question is, Since we have just recently updated this actual policy and you gave a list of approximately 78 crimes that have possibly been utilized from or current usage of these cameras, correct?

3:59:40 – 4:00:08•Latoya S. Clarke

And the 200 cameras plus that we have, The specific location of all these, because when I looked at it, it said it started in 2020. So we've been utilizing some version according to the crime list that I got. According to the list that I got that stated when these crimes occurred. I'm looking at the dates, and it said 2020.

4:00:08•Michael J. Ryan

Yeah, but they weren't ours. We used other people's LPRs. Okay, so I just want to just clarify, I'm not interrupting.

4:00:15 – 4:00:37•Latoya S. Clarke

So we started utilizing these since 2020. So most of these crimes, my point is, it's not necessarily our cameras that were used to capture or utilize or solving these crimes. So we have only been using these cameras. Do we have a number of how many of crimes were solved using our cameras?

4:01:20•Latoya S. Clarke

So my point is that we don't really have any data to say that the 200 cameras that we have are going to be in any way more beneficial at this current moment.

4:01:59 – 4:02:10•Latoya S. Clarke

And so in your review of the usage of our policy, have we determined whether or not there has been any violation of it from our specific department?

4:02:57 – 4:03:13•Latoya S. Clarke

You're saying that we are reviewing quarterly to figure out whether or not there have been any misuse of this actual program. And who's actually doing those reviews? Are the same people who have access to the report that's actually doing the auditing?

4:03:30•Michael J. Ryan

I have two more questions, but I'm going to pass it on.

4:03:34 – 4:04:27•Neil C. Kerch

Okay. Commissioner Kirch? All right. Commissioner Scudo brought up political gamesmanship. This is exactly what this is. It's very coincidental that one week before Florida does a 180-degree reversal was the Hope Grand Jury Report. And we are not discussing that. We are discussing license plate readers. Walks like a duck, talks like a duck, quacks like a duck. It's probably a duck. Law enforcement, police officers, you guys, law enforcement officers that enforce state statutes. I'm a criminal defense attorney.

4:04:31 – 4:19:24•Neil C. Kerch

I enforce the Constitution. It's my job. I've been doing it for 20 years. As Mayor Ryan correctly pointed out, this is not a constitutional issue. There is exactly no expectation of privacy and your license lay out in open public. I've spent a considerable amount of time viewing this issue, listening to residents, speaking with our chief, reading your emails. I tried to review this while we were here since it all came in today. And I've tried to separate legitimate concerns from misinformation. And I want to begin with something that is very important to me. I support the men and women of the

4:19:24 – 4:22:19•Jacqueline A. Guzman

Thank you. Circling back to the beginning of this discussion, I want to thank you, Chief, for all of the information you provided, very valuable information. Putting this on the agenda was not easy because I know it was a controversial discussion, and I didn't want it to be political, which has been mentioned quite a few times because that's just the season we're in. Initially, when I wanted to discuss this, it was because of the concerns clearly coming from the state, the concerns from the community, just as my colleague Commissioner Kerch stated, that we ultimately are working for the people

4:22:21 – 4:25:20•Michael J. Ryan

All right. So, a couple of comments. It is political season. It's performative at the state level. It's been suggested it's a distraction. Perhaps that's true. But what The state government hasn't done is paused LPRs. What they've said is we can't put them on state roads. They're using it. They're sharing it. They're sharing it nationally. FDLE and everyone else is accessing it. The suggestion that tonight by reducing access to Sunrise is going to improve safety or protections is a false choice. But we've been led to believe that because rather than an intentional public policy discussion, muc

4:25:22 – 4:28:49•Michael J. Ryan

Those are the state standards. You copied the policy from FDLE, correct? Yes, sir. That's what every department in the state of Florida is required to follow, correct? Yes, sir. There's not a lack of guidance. Now, there's other discussions that can certainly be had. I've heard this public discussion that these vendors are selling it. You know, all this data is being sold. It hasn't. Certainly, our vendors made it clear that's not the case. They don't. It belongs to the department. The contract says it belongs to the department. I don't know what Flock's doing. I know they've said publicly the

4:28:52 – 4:30:07•Michael J. Ryan

But what I'm not prepared to do is tell that neighborhood, because we haven't gotten to because it was on a county road, you don't deserve the same protection as Sunrise Lakes. Or that that business community isn't going to be exposed. It's a worthy discussion. It just can't be done on the fly. So I'd be willing to entertain the discussion. Do you need four for this block? But if we're looking at a chart that shows us those that have not gone in that are on major thoroughfares, not small ones. These are county roads. And we're saying we're just going to stop putting them in. That needs to be i

4:30:07 – 4:30:19•Jacqueline A. Guzman

And to clarify, we're trying to decide what this pause looks like. It's not to completely turn off the program. It's more of the expansion part of it.

4:30:20•Michael J. Ryan

I get that, and that's the second one I said. If we're stopping the expansion, who are we telling we're not providing coverage? That's what I want to know.

4:30:27 – 4:31:38•Jacqueline A. Guzman

But here's where I'm, this is where I was going to go with it, is that by pausing the program is for the chief to sit with us individually to share what those other locations look like. And of the supposed 227 locations, those that have not been installed that are important to be installed, for us to really see what those priority locations are. But I just don't believe in expanding to 227. I agree. And not only that, you know, like, again, going back to former Commissioner Mark Douglas, you know, at the end of the day, Chief is a charter officer, and a lot of the policies he's putting in plac

4:31:39 – 4:33:50•Michael J. Ryan

So I've allowed you to go to that. I hadn't finished my comments. Give you an example. Northbound and southbound Hiatus Road don't have it at 29th Manor. That's a gap. Right now. Under this proposal, we'll stop. That's freedom. Just go. Sawgrass Expressway on-ramp. Nope. It's not there. West Oakland Boulevard eastbound at Sawgrass Expressway. Nope. We'll stop that. That's a free one. As we go through these county roads that are left to be installed... North Pine Island at 20th Court. North Pine Island at Sunset Strip. North Pine Island at Sunrise Lakes Boulevard, southbound and northbound. We

4:33:52 – 4:34:20•Jacqueline A. Guzman

Discussion but what you're saying is that I am not supporting those particular streets. You just mentioned that's not at all What I said what I said of the 227 proposed Installations there has to be the streets that haven't been installed. There has to be top priority. I don't believe 227 Entry and exit points of our city right point of information One second know that I'm gonna finish this comment

4:34:20 – 4:34:46•Michael J. Ryan

And then I'll turn it over to you, because I know your light's on. I'm only saying that if we put a pause, the ones that are in white are not being put in. They may not be put in before the next meeting. So maybe it's not a big deal. But what I don't want to do is step out, me personally, step out and say, we're not going to install in all these white locations, white being the ones that haven't been done. And it says it, hiatus, northbound, southbound.

4:34:48 – 4:35:34•Michael J. Ryan

But I'm only going to have the discussion. I'm just not willing to tell them to stop doing the work. And maybe, again, this is not your fault. We're all put in this position because it's been going like this, is to be able to say maybe it's not a timetable before that happens. Maybe it's four weeks, maybe it's eight weeks before it even happens. So we may be arguing over something that's not necessary. But I guess one way to know is to say, do you expect any new ones to be turned on in the next two weeks? We can hear you in the back. Are there any going to be turned on in the next two weeks? I

4:35:37 – 4:42:17•Joseph A. Scuotto

So I know you and Commissioner Guzman are going back and forth, but what Commissioner Kirsch laid out in his thing about the polls was not about the expansion of the camps i just wanted to say so now i'm going to just say for being up here for a long period of time and representing sunrise then also be in the delegate for broward being the delegate for florida and being a delegate for the national league of cities it's always been about unfunded mandates, home rule, what we know what we need in our backyard. Commissioner Kirsch now is going to be the new league president for Broward County. So

4:42:18•Joseph A. Scuotto

It's so rude. We're taking a break. No, I'm not gonna take a break. She's just a rude person. There's nothing you could do.

4:42:23•Michael J. Ryan

All right, let's keep the comments focused, please.

4:42:28 – 4:47:13•Joseph A. Scuotto

I want to give you whatever it is that you need. What the pause, like I would say, let them operate the way they are. Commissioner Guzman said you should meet with us individually. I think that's a great idea. I think it's something where we're at a point now where, like, I started on my first thing. It is 100% political, okay? Not here just locally, but just nationally. So for whatever it is, that's what it is. It's not we could do it. It's election year, governors are running, Senate, and I said all this. That's what the problem is. You know, now residents get involved. So we want to make th

4:47:13 – 4:48:05•Michael J. Ryan

Here's what we're going to do. We're going to take a biological break. But before I do that, I want to be really clear. We have to have a civil discussion. I don't want us to find like the rest of the country. Everybody here honestly believes their position. Nobody's evil or wrong. That story of FWC doing that is outrageous. It goes back to COINTEL, what the FBI did to the Black Panthers. It has abuses and institutions have abused. This is a legitimate discussion. It doesn't make the other person bad. We're struggling with it. For some of us, it's like, how do we turn this off and then somethi

4:49:26 – 4:51:59•Latoya S. Clarke

So, since we have had this program, I have been voicing my opinions to the chief, correct? About holding the information, how long we're going to have it, who is monitoring. This is not a new conversation to you and I. Maybe we have not done this publicly, but this is not a new conversation. And when I last brought this up to talk about how could we really look at where these are actually in place, can we limit them, nobody wanted to hear me. So to hear we are at this very point again tonight, the same conversation like four weeks later when nobody wanted to hear this conversation, we could ha

4:52:02 – 4:54:03•Michael J. Ryan

All right. Yeah, just to be clear, since you've raised nobody wanted to hear you, at the time it was raised about a couple of blocks of where there thought to be too many. And it wasn't that nobody wanted to hear you. It was talk to the chief and talk about it. At that time, in your defense, there wasn't this national discussion that was rolling down on us. So I acknowledge that. I also acknowledge what you point out, that a lot of what we're dealing with here is the look and feel. There is no doubt that these solar cameras, solar-powered, right, good for the environment, look intimidating. An

4:54:04•Neil C. Kerch

I'll be happy to clarify, but I want to ask the chief a couple questions.

4:54:14 – 4:54:40•Neil C. Kerch

Evaluate the program in whole. Conduct a audit or survey of the other ones. Make sure that their policies align with ours Doing the same things according to FDLE standard right they have to have the policy. I want to make sure that Get with the Commission update your findings How much time

4:54:57 – 4:55:37•Michael J. Ryan

That's not Commissioner Kirch's question. He's really asking, what's it going to take to find out from the other 31, do they have FDLE-compliant policies? This is something that chiefs need to be – You can't be the chiefs and say we're in support of safeguards and then not know if they're there. That's, I think, one of the reticence. So that's one. And then two, to evaluate the system on concerns you've heard here. and to take those into consideration, both in terms of perhaps location, existing and otherwise, as well as the safeguards from external intrusion, if you will, and how you intend t

4:55:54 – 4:56:23•Neil C. Kerch

So what I would be thinking as a pause. I want that information. I would say we pause the expansion portion of it for at least 60 days. You can run your data. I'm not saying kill the program. Run your data. In 60 days, I want to come back and make sure that I have the assurances that the eight criteria that I pointed out are being met.

4:56:24 – 4:57:06•Michael J. Ryan

Let me ask you this as a friendly question on that. When I look at northbound, southbound hiatus, 29th. 60 days of permit, Mike. Let me finish my point. The question I have to the chief is, and maybe the county halts all the permits anyway. It makes no difference, right? But right now, they're not doing it. Do you have an estimate by location of when you expect? My point being, if it's moot, then I don't care. And I don't know if you're prepared to answer, because we didn't raise this with you before, but I'll give you one example. It's unlikely in the next two weeks you're going to be installing in any of those that are currently not there. Is that fair to say?

4:57:24 – 4:59:31•Michael J. Ryan

See, I would hate for a permit to come out on northbound, southbound there. Now, it may be that there's other coverage north and south of there that I feel comfortable that it's okay if you pause that. But it's about which way a car goes coming out, right? Because it's east-west right now because that's city road. without having some clarity as to what the expected time to understand the county could tomorrow do it, but I suspect not, because that's not how, with due respect to the county, that's not how things work. What I'd wanna know is whether you could, within that period of time, start d

4:59:31 – 4:59:54•Neil C. Kerch

I would want to know, I mean, I want some more evaluation on what Commissioner Clark is bringing up on density of these cameras. And also, I think you give me all these. We have the Broward County Chief of Police Association. They need to be contacting the state of Florida and our legislatures on state guidelines.

5:00:04 – 5:00:22•Neil C. Kerch

State Return of Order of Police. Turnover Police Sunrise Lodge number 80. Reach out to your locals, your Congress, local state reps. Get some state guidelines.

5:00:22•Joseph A. Scuotto

But don't ask our Congress people because we're in the minority. We need to get the others that are in the majority. I'm talking our state reps. Right. That's what I'm saying. Get the majority.

5:00:32 – 5:01:13•Neil C. Kerch

International Association of Chiefs of Police. Guidelines. State guidelines. If you can convince me that. You can meet those eight criteria. Like I said, I'm only asking that maybe we don't even need the pause. If we get to that point to where I'm comfortable with the eight guidelines, then maybe in 60 days I don't come back and say, hey, we need this pause. I would accept Mayor's amendment if it's working. I didn't make the motion, but I would agree with the Mayor that before you put in another camera in the ground, I think I want to know about it so we can have that discussion.

5:01:16 – 5:01:31•Neil C. Kerch

Again, I'm trying to find a working solution that balances everyone's interest in privacy as well as concerns. And that's, I guess, if that defines what I'm meeting by a pause.

5:01:32 – 5:02:34•Joseph A. Scuotto

I just want to ask also to this. They're not calling a special session, right? That means we'd have to wait until January, February. No, I'm saying we're not going to get an answer from Tallahassee unless they call a special session, which they're probably not going to do. Daniels and DeSantis and all of them saying this is a hot button before the election and in the end of October we're going to call a special session to get the last of the voters to go nuts and figure out I'm just saying so I'll agree with you there But if it's January, February, March, I don't want to be waiting for them be

5:02:36•Neil C. Kerch

I don't expect an answer from Tallahassee.

5:02:43•Neil C. Kerch

Chiefs and unions. I want our law enforcement organizations reaching out to Tallahassee, explaining the problem so that this does get resolved.

5:02:52 – 5:03:28•Joseph A. Scuotto

I'll agree with you. I agree. On a statewide level. So all of the unions should get together, write the same letter with the same safeguards so that all of you do whatever FDLE is doing and better. I'm saying, right? I'm saying and better. Obviously, the cities that are looking at this and opting in and opting out, it's the same thing. Everybody should be on the same page. But you guys got to, you know, you're just one company out of the multiple. Now, you all got to be on the same page. I'm saying.

5:03:33 – 5:05:06•Michael J. Ryan

The industry that provides the hardware and the software has really screwed the pooch on this. This was coming. and they could have gotten out ahead of it. The reported abuses, the things like that, there should have been a position. I'm not talking about our vendor, because I know you've been providing information, but as a whole, this discussion. Second, the legislature is well aware, and FDLE has been well aware, that these are being utilized and being used intensively. The question of making sure the standards are there. CJIS requires standards for David. There's all sorts of, and I think,

5:05:09 – 5:05:23•Michael J. Ryan

That's fair. If you want access to ours, you've got to just prove to us that it was legitimate. And if it was misused, that you did something about it. That's part of the concerns that are coming. And this could be worked out, right? This is policy that can be

5:05:24 – 5:05:52•Joseph A. Scuotto

dealt with and it's easily handled because the departments want this so this is not a burden on them but who could be i'm saying i'm asking a question and they would know that you have to tell me the answer i'm just going to ask who gets exempt from this who gets exempt from coming in and taking their information where they said gets redacted and that we don't know who's assessed that's part of the discussion that's part of the discussion we have to have and we need some answers on that but and and listen

5:05:52 – 5:06:16•Michael J. Ryan

It could be the feds. It could be state agencies who are complaining, you know, and the state level complaining about it. And yet we're the ones sitting here locally trying to solve crimes and catch people. And then some state agencies abusing it, ruining it for all of us. So they need to address that and how to audit that. And I don't, as I sit here tonight, I don't know how to do it, but it seems like it's a doable thing and it should be. Deputy Mayor, sorry.

5:06:20 – 5:06:37•Jacqueline A. Guzman

Are we going to wrap this up? I know it's getting late, so I'd like to again put the motion to not necessarily pause it indefinitely, but the expansion part of it as we sit down to discuss what those locations look like moving forward.

5:06:42 – 5:07:36•Michael J. Ryan

I think there's consensus here, what we're talking about. That is, no new installations without justifying. If one gets permitted, you've got to bring it. You've got to justify it. Second, got to work in the next 60 days, the eight points and the additional points, including working with the chiefs. I have some ideas on this, and I've been frustrated the chiefs didn't respond quick enough on this. what they need to do and agree to do. And maybe it becomes a model for the rest of the state. I don't know. But we need to do that. That's working on what I said at the last point, which is making su

5:07:36 – 5:07:47•Joseph A. Scuotto

That's going to come back to us. Each individual one. But he's going to meet individually with us over the next 60 days.

5:07:50 – 5:08:32•Michael J. Ryan

It's easy. You have to evaluate each of the locations, whether you need it. Northbound, southbound, eastbound, westbound. Understood. I know you went through it. This is not a criticism. This is what you chose based on data that you already had. But it's a fair point to ask about it. Is that Yes, sir. Okay. Do you need more guidance as a charter officer than what you've heard from the five of us? I think that was pretty clear. Okay. Any doubts amongst my colleagues? All right. Thank you, Chief. And thank you. Appreciate you guys being here for this. All right. We've got some more business to do. City Manager's Report. You're done?

5:09:11 – 5:09:26•Michael J. Ryan

Yeah, I didn't like any of the logos overhead. I just didn't. I didn't think any of it. I just thought it looks added. I'm OK with over the door. I thought that was prominent enough for those that are here. But that's just me. I just thought it looked.

5:09:26 – 5:09:39•Joseph A. Scuotto

I like the one underneath, straight across that has the same backing. Just be done. That's just, I don't think the one over there, it's just, it looks like it's away from everything.

5:09:39•Neil C. Kerch

My wife always said, choose your battles wisely. I'm not going to fight for this one. That's what I said. I mean. What, Mr. Belsky?

5:10:11•Michael J. Ryan

Okay, what's, Deputy Mayor, Commissioner Clark?

5:10:13•Neil C. Kerch

I like the door. Door's one, all right. What do you like, Scooter?

5:10:22•Jacqueline A. Guzman

What do you like? I'm open. Whatever you all decide.

5:10:26•Neil C. Kerch

I go for the door then. There we go. There's the door. We got a consensus.

5:10:30•Joseph A. Scuotto

But with the backing. Door with backing. Yep. Right.

5:10:34 – 5:10:49•Michael J. Ryan

Anything else you want to report before we do your review? No, Mayor. Sean is saying no. It doesn't fit. Start it. Start it. All right. Don't be. Don't be. Sean, you want a longer discussion on this? Seriously? City Clerk's Report.

5:11:06 – 5:11:26•Michael J. Ryan

No, put it on Felicia. We're ready to go after you right now. All right. Based on the hour, are we in agreement we can push this? As long as it's okay with the charter. All right. All right. Now reports. Everybody, charter's okay? Chief, that says no. Other chief is asleep. Okay. Deputy Mayor? Deputy Mayor's report.

5:11:26 – 5:11:50•Jacqueline A. Guzman

I just have two things to share in reference to Hispanic Heritage Night. I am hosting another event at Island Space for the Hispanic culture for September 25th, and I will share the details. Everyone's welcome to join. And last but not least, I'd like to formally share that my son has completed boot camp and is officially a soldier.

5:11:56•Jacqueline A. Guzman

And his girlfriend tapped him out right there on the field, and he proposed to her.

5:12:06•Jacqueline A. Guzman

All right. No babies yet. I was just going to say, any other announcements along with that one? No.

5:12:16 – 5:13:19•Neil C. Kerch

Mr. Kirch. Just with the early voting, I'm going to bring it up. I had the opportunity to go out there early voting in August to spend some time out there in the heat. One of the concerns I had was at some of the polling locations. One, schools being open during that. We had the bomb, or the threat, not bomb, but the gun threat at Piper. I guess the city clerk should be here since she probably does some of these, but I don't think holding elections in schools on those days. It's not comfortable for people wanting to go campaign outside the 150 mark in a school area. So I would ask the clerk to

5:13:19•Michael J. Ryan

This is perennial. This happens all the time.

5:13:21•Neil C. Kerch

So there needs to be some sort of letter that goes out to these polling locations. They do it every time. If it's on private property. They have to allow the campaigning there.

5:13:31•Michael J. Ryan

When I was doing the voter protection, that was one of the big calls. They won't let them through the gate, right?

5:13:34•Neil C. Kerch

So it's one of those that I think our city clerk needs to address us with an election coming up.

5:13:39 – 5:14:52•Michael J. Ryan

So here's what I would suggest as a friendly one. I think we need to find out from Joe Scott what he's doing about the school issue because it's a constant problem. We're asked to balance a lot. One of the key components of voter protection is that you don't flood the voter sites with law enforcement, right? It scares some people. It's not appropriate. And yet we're putting them in a school where we have the obligation to flood the zone if something like that happens. So this is an issue that I think we can, I'm happy to raise it with him as well, but I think we need like tomorrow to reach out

5:14:53•Michael J. Ryan

Then I'll waive the rest of the report. All right, Scooto.

5:14:57 – 5:15:44•Joseph A. Scuotto

No, I just have one thing. Oh, God. No, it's a longtime resident, Jack Joyce. Longtime resident of Sunrise passed away. He was a coach in the city for a long period of time with his daughter and his son. He was an avid golfer at Sunrise Springtree Golf Course. He worked there also. So if we could just remember Jack Joyce and his family who passed away last week. So to the Joyce family, we pray for you. And, you know, Jack was a great guy. He was a great coach, probably taught hundreds of kids. And we just pray for your family.

5:15:46•Michael J. Ryan

That note, no report. Motion to adjourn. Motion to adjourn. Seconded by Commissioner Skudo. All in favor say aye. Aye.

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