City Commission - Regular Meeting

It is now six o'clock. We're going to call our meeting to order. Again, it's now six o'clock. We're going to call our meeting to order. Can you do a call, please?

Can we all stand for an invocation and a pledge of allegiance? Yes.

Heavenly Father, we thank you first and foremost for our being here. We ask that you will continue to help us govern and guide this city according to your own will and purpose. In Jesus' name, amen.

Pledge of Allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Amen. Like to thank everyone for coming up to our September 3rd first budget hearing for this year. As soon as the screen comes down, we will. Start so before we go, we do have. And public comment. One opportunity for the public to address the Commission just OK. Can you please give your name and your address please? Oh excuse me for record. Our attorney is on the way. Miss Hardy, can you please give your name

Thank you. Um, Mr clerk, we forgot the decorum statement. You read it into record, please.

Thank you. At this time, we will have our budget presentation.

Yes. I would like for you to provide us with a breakdown of how you're calculating for the solid waste. You just showed us that it was $711 for a residential home, but can you give us line-by-line entry how you came about the $611?

And also you mentioned about the free paint, but right now there is no free paint giveaway at the moment.

Yeah, last year we had requested a breakdown of what Each staff member makes a salary. We were never provided that. We were provided a percentage, which I have here and still don't understand. We need this in dollar amount. We also need to identify who are these employees that we have here on staff. There's a lot of people that seems to come and go and there's no introduction or anything of that nature. In addition to that, I am very concerned about the increased cost of BSO. It's projected on this to be over $10 million. So I need to understand how and why that is. We are trying to cut costs

I don't see anything for the business. The business is a small business grant that we normally give and actually the home repair grants. I don't see anything in the budget for that. Yeah, that's why I'm asking him to provide the page. And I noticed that the cultural festival and the Gumbe Festival, there's nothing there for that, even though we budgeted.

This is page 103. Thank you. Yes, and... Oh. The... Veterans Day. I've seen that. We didn't do anything. We didn't put anything. We haven't done anything for that. So therefore, it's Goombay Festival, Cultural Festival, and then what was the other one? Halloween. Okay. Where is it?

Yeah, I also wanted to say that we had recommended and actually to not have a $25,000 budget for a tree lighting ceremony that is poorly attended. And so I think that's something that we should consider from the budget. I think that it would be better allocated towards community events that are already underway and also to help increase the budget so that we can have a better holiday giveaway for our kids. I even have some type of program where I can participate in holiday festivities. I just think that that's just with taxpayers' dollars to spend $25,000 on a tree lighting ceremony. And then

Yes. Okay. I'M STILL SEARCHING THE BUDGET TO SEE WHERE AND HOW MUCH WAS SPENT ON THESE NEW TECHNOLOGIES THAT WE HAVE HERE. I DON'T SEE ANYTHING FOR THE NEW MICROPHONES OR STUFF LIKE THAT. WE DON'T SEE ANY ACCOUNTABILITY WHERE THAT IS CONCERNED. SO I NEED TO BE IN THE BUDGET TO those money was located and how much to help that service.

Now, I would say that I did my advice, Mayor, where the community support benefit may be and it might be on page 102. However, it's only budgeted for $30,000, which only takes care of 10 small home repair grants. I think that we should try to invest more funding into that. I wonder, too, about that city manager. Are outside entities or vendors or businesses, are they able to help to contribute to this community support?

Is that with, that's included the... The $30,000.

No, this $30,000 would, yeah, this $30,000 will only cover the 10 homes that we committed to for the small home repair grant up to $3,000. So I'm not seeing anything for the tree trimming. I'm not seeing anything for the childcare assistance. And then what happened to the small mom and pop grant? I'm not seeing anything. in regard to that give-back initiative that we have historically had.

Yeah. I'm just letting you know that I will have other questions.

In regards to the senior program, where are the fundings coming from? And also I have a question on page 34. It talks about the... What was the page number? Page 34. But the first question is for the senior program. Where are the fundings coming from? That's one question. And then the second question is on page 34. You make a reference to the sort of Department of Elders regarding the LSP. which is the state local service program. And it says that the LAP provides funding to expand long-term care alternative, enabling elders to maintain an acceptable quality of life in your own homes.

And it says here that it has been, the city has funded allocated increase to $400,000. So I never heard of this before. So can you, if you can explain if this is into one with our senior program, Or is this an additional grant for other seniors at our homes? That's what that's what it says. This is for for the SP and if so, what are the avenues for our seniors resident to be able to tap into this? This resource right here because I never heard of it before. I'm just noticing it now.

Well, Commissioner Everlard, this information seems to have been forwarded from last year because we did not get an allocation of $400,000 this year. But it has always historically been that type of program, and this is why I have alleged that we have not really used the grant funding the way that it was intended contractually. So this is what I was speaking to, what you see here. So when we got the state appropriations historically down throughout those years, it was through this elder affairs, the Florida Department of Elder Affairs. And it was intended to be for all of the things that are l

I want the senior manager to give me his statement because if that's the case, you know, it's not appropriate because From what I understand is that, like you said, for the seniors to benefit, they have to be enrolled at the senior center. But here, this one says it's home-based. So you're supposed to be able to provide services to other seniors who are not able to attend school. the program in the senior center. That's the reason why I wanted some clarification. Yeah.

Any other questions? I think the manager's gathering all the questions. Anything else? Commissioner Smith, do you have anything? Anybody else have any other questions?

I do have some other things that I'm looking through. If you can circle back to me because there's a lot of stuff to go through and disseminate. I would like to know also what would be the projected revenue, right? I see where the line I know about the red light camera, how we're not receiving any more revenue for the red light camera. You know, it's reported that we will have to cut services and it will be a detriment to get rid of the red light camera system. But it's evident in the budget that we have an increase, have an increase in revenue. And it doesn't seem as though that we're lacking

I'm sorry? It's approximately close to $200 increase.

So what was the figure? It was $783 and now it's $79 or something like that. What page is it on? Commissioner, if you can tell me.

So that's a $200 assessment increase for... something that was indicated was supposed to be cost savings to residents. If it's cost savings to residents, that means that it should be going down from $589 per household and not going up to almost $800 per household. So I need that explained because we're going to need to do some twerking there because I'm not very agreeable for us to be increasing our avalon assessment when it was sold to us that Solid waste was going to be cheaper than our previous vendor Also, I see as a budgetary item says that we used to get street lighting revenue It says w

Does anybody else have any questions? I have a recommendation.

Instead of the tree lighting, I would rather to see that during the holiday season we we spread the lights around the city, like on main corridors of the city where we put up the lights on the actual palm trees on the main corridors instead of having that one tree sitting in the front lawn of somebody's property. So that is one thing that I'm recommending that we look into for this year where we have some lights around the city. instead of one tree sitting in the parking lot.

I wanted to recommend in reference to the holiday celebration for Christmas. Back a couple years ago when Mayor Jones was the mayor, the celebration used to be at Mary Sanders Park. I would like to see for for it to go back. We just have a Christmas tree and we have someone acting as Santa and have the toys giveaway at Mary Sanders Park. And that would be a way to be less expensive and more rewarding for the community. And there is something else. Let's see. I'll come back to it.

Oh, yes, I remember. For the senior program, if you can give a deal breakdown with the names, vendors that you're paying, like the personnel that comes out to do the exercise, the ones that come and provide meals, the one that do the other programs for the senior, shows line by line entry, the name of those organizations, How much are they getting paid? As opposed to just giving us a general account.

All right. Mr. Bell, don't you have everything? Yes.

Okay. We'll move on to item number seven, resolution. And this is a public hearing. Mr. Clerk.

Yeah, there's a public hearing. Anyone from the public have any questions? Comments, please come forward. Give us your name, your address.

Opportunity for the public is now closed. Commission, what's your pleasure?

Is there a second? Even for a discussion? No. Mayor?

Thank you. Mayor? Yes. I'd like to find out what is the recommended rollback rate?

Can you elaborate more on the rollback rate? What is it compared to the regular 7.9 or whatever rate that was set?

Does that mean that there won't be any net increase if you set the reward rate?

No, I understand. I'm just referring to the... The city tax.

BUDGET WORKSHOPS. THAT'S WHAT WE DO IN THE BUDGET WORKSHOPS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT, DON'T WE? WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE BUDGET WORKSHOPS IN JUNE, BEFORE THE BUDGET COMES TO US. SO WE HAVE NO SAY IN WHAT WE DO WITH THE BUDGET UNTIL WE'RE HERE FOR THE FIRST READING. THAT'S RIDICULOUS. So, I mean, for you to say that at this point we can't do nothing, that's great.

I don't think that's what Chris is saying.

You couldn't do that. It happens if you do it. It would just be detrimental to do it because you can't come back from that decision.

Well, I think the purpose of this meeting is for us to be able to gather the information so that we can share with the city manager what our desires are so that they know, can I finish speaking? The purpose of public hearing today is that we can hear what could possibly be and make a decision which direction we want to go, provide information to the manager as well as Chris to bring back different options for us to look at. So that is the purpose of tonight.

Well, Mayor, I disagree because for the last four years, the commission has stated that we wanted to have budget workshops and to have a non-binding conversation before we get to the point where there's a point no return. Right now, this is not a workshop capacity. We should have already had these conversations with the city manager so that everything that we desired would have been in the proposed budget already, not to have to go back and do that. Throughout the year, there should be conversations had about what it is that we would like to see. That's the whole issue all together. there is a

Okay, so let me just say this. None of you all sitting up here, this is your first rodeo and doing a budget. So this has been the process. So if you've had specific questions, let's be clear. You've had an opportunity. You could have spoken with the manager, emailed the manager, communicated with the manager.

Every time we give the same grievance and tell you that the city manager has a derelict of duties and does not correspond with the whole body. Again, because you're stating something that's not factual.

Every year, we say the same thing to you. We say the same thing to the city manager. As I indicated, you're not telling the truth.

Be factual and govern with integrity, Mayor.

As I mentioned, as I was saying, We all have the same opportunity. This is not anyone sitting up here first rodeo as it relates to the budget. So this is a process that we go through every year. We know that the process is coming. All I am suggesting to my colleagues is we go through this process every year. We know it's coming. We've been talking about budget for months now. We've been talking about property tax, through all these issues that are coming up. I need you to not call me a liar.

You are lying, though. Where did we speak about budget for months when we don't have an agenda ended for a whole year?

Again, I am speaking. As I say to my colleagues, you have not just started this process. If there are issues, if there are questions and things that you have, you know that the budget comes every time, the same time every year. All I'm saying is we also can be prepared and give the manager questions advance. Also, that's all I was saying to you all. You all have been about part of this process for several years now. So you know the process. So all I'm saying is have some grace. You all can't complain about everything. You do something also to make the process easier.

Mayor. Yes. So what I just indicated was year after year after year that I've sit on this day is I've had the same complaint. The same complaint. You refuse to address the situation. It's a collective effort that we should be having a workshop We have not had a budget workshop for months.

Every municipality, every county government, everybody has a workshop except the City of West Park. We have indicated to you time and time and time and time and time and time again that there's a lack of transparency with our city manager. We have indicated that there is a lack of him communicating via email, being responsive to emails and phone calls and text messages. Okay, but yet you all refuse to address the core issue here. And we have a member of our staff that's not listening to the body and we're supposed to be listening to. And hearing that every year we're saying that we want a work

Any other questions on the budget presentation?

Yes. Yes, in the height of amendment, where there's a projection of a lot of revenue.

Just point of order, because we had a motion on the floor for a second.

She still had questions about- Mayor, can I take my point of order? This is discussion. Go ahead and finish, and then we'll come back. If I call for a point of- What do you want to say?

It's a point of order. What I'm saying is that we have a motion on the floor and a second. You asked whether or not she has any other questions for the city manager, which is not discussion.

What question do you have? Do you have any other questions that you want to add to the discussion?

Yes, as part of the discussion, in height of Amendment 3, which is predicted to provide less revenue to most cities and There is a tall contradiction that's saying that most cities are going to do away because there's going to be so much revenue that's going to be that we're not going to be receiving. And I don't see that we're having any discussion about that. And we have to be prepared for that because we have to look at it as they only need 60% of the voters. And most people that are hurting the property tax They're not thinking about police and not thinking about these other services. They

What's going to be like on the floor? Can I finish speaking? There's already a motion on the floor, so are you trying to now come back and revise the original motion?

Yes, I'd like to amend the motion for 7.6 second. Yes.

You've got to prepare for Amendment 3. You're contradicting yourself. You said preparing, but even with some of the things that we were discussing or that you guys were discussing about maybe adding or accounting for, we're not doing ourselves any justice by not hardening our expenditures in terms of the things that have already been allocated. And just to go back just briefly to what the nature and even the purpose of having multiple hearings is for, just like what the mayor said. If you look at the charter in section three, under the administrator's duties, letter E it says is his job to pre

Mayor. Do you realize that amendment just corner commissioner commissioner what's happening?

Um, commissioner touchdowns has a comment.

Um, so I just wanted to speak to what commissioner Smith is saying. Last year when we took the stand to reduce the millage rate from 8.2 to 7.9, which is the same reduction that is proposed now of 0.3 mills, it was projected that the loss in revenue was going to be less than $200,000. So are we really arguing about less than $200,000 from revenue here? You know, it was so, it was minimalized by a lot of individuals in our community that that only equated to $25 in per household savings. So are we saying that we can't do without that amount of revenue? Because it's not like we're saying drop it

So let me just mention real quick. So Steven, I'm not Steven. Chris, one of the things they did say is that. You would rather for us to stay at the military and you can always go down. But if we start off going down, we can go back up, correct?

And so that was going to be my next question to you. Is it best, in your professional opinion, because we have an opportunity to come back and lower it, right? But again, I say if we lower now and we come back with a budget, we're not going to be able to raise it back again. So in your professional opinion, it makes sense. Keep it where it is. Have the next conversation when you bring back dollars Because we can always go down if need be, but we won't be able to come back up. So I'm just cautioning any decision that we make about this because once you change it and go down, we are stuck.

Vice Mayor is supposed to go first because she hasn't spoken and she has to be recognized.

Commissioner Smith, can you finish? Vice Mayor Smith, you're next. Commissioner Smith, can you finish?

That's out of order, Mayor. Like I said, and this is exactly why. I would caution us not to destabilize ourselves. And the comment Commissioner touched on May was, oh, well, is it really going to hurt us to lose projected $200,000? We shouldn't be trying to lose anything, any form of revenue. I don't care how much it is. And then, like I said, not only that, because what we ultimately have realized, you're not just... in this position, you, you, you have to think like a business owner and no business owner is going to say, well, I can do just do without $200,000. I can just do without this, yo

Mayor, point of information for the commissioner. What point of information takes precedence? the point of information takes precedence.

Can you make a comment and then Vice Mayor, you're taking her time, so. Vice Mayor, are you going to go or are you going to allow her?

Even when you have a business structure, right, for all these 400 and 500 companies and so forth, they consider their stakeholders, and they ensure that their stakeholders have a return on their investment, right? So it's not that I'm being irresponsible, It's just that I believe that the residents are our ultimate stakeholder in this business. And if they're crying and indicating that they have a need for some financial relief, then I think that it's our responsibility to see in what ways we can pass on those cost savings to our stakeholders. Because they are the ones in whose shoulder this c

Chris, you stated that there's no way you can raise the millage rate. You can decrease but not raise. My point is this, and based on what I've seen and heard and what I've interacted with other cities, all the cities, if this amendment passes, will have to eventually raise their village rate. It has to be raised. So how you come by, we can't raise it.

He's talking about in this particular budget.

I'm not talking to you, Commissioner Smith.

OK, so my question is, OK, if we lowered it now, today, and Amendment 3 passed, what, November, right, what happens next year?

You'd say otherwise we can't, well, you're out going to be out providing services is either we're going to cut services or we raise, right?

So if we keep the 7.9 today, it would be... what would it be beneficial if the, um, the amendment three don't pass?

You said that you issued a report to us on?

You said that you issued a report to us on what?

Sorry, Mayor. Can you finish and then Commissioner Smith, Commissioner Evelard?

Okay, so I'm not saying that I don't want relief for the residents to have relief or something back. I'm looking at the longer picture here. and the big picture of November, what the voters will decide. And I do believe that the voters, they want a relief on their taxes. And I could be wrong, but I believe that that momentary will pass. So my thing is this. Instead of decreasing let us stay at where we are right now because the fact about the matter is when it passes we're gonna have to increase to survive as a city and that is i mean god forbid we don't have to go to pinpoint whatever it is s

Thank you. And vice mayor Smith, that's all I was saying because you anticipating this big change is going to, you know, we don't know what to prepare for. We don't know what to expect. We don't know how hard it's going to hit us. So it is not advisable for us to move this millage rate. And, you know, even to answer, uh, commissioner touched on question about, do I think the residents, deserve a return. They do get a return because the taxable portion that they pay to the city is returned in services, is returned in programs, is returned in those things. And so, yes, they are getting a return

They paying for it in taxes. My point. Exactly.

And you asked for a return. So that's free. Listen, I have the right now.

I have the floor right now. Can you finish?

And then I'll finish when I'm making my point. It is it is this that they that is you just think that is a return on their investment. They are paying for it. They're getting something back in return. So it is, you know, crazy to say that they're not in return because certain services they are getting at no cost to them. At no cost to them. We've had all kinds of programs and services that are at no charge to the residents. No charge whatsoever. And even if it's being done by grants or other sources that subsidize these different services, avenues that we, you know, display or give to our resi

This is budget. So we're talking about finances. So let's not, let's not, you know, parcel out on the topic. That is the topic.

Which, which those of us who are, who are business sound say, listen, we need to hold off and we need to steady the ship right now. We need to sit the ship and buckle down what could happen. And that's maintaining the millage rate at current rate, which is 7.9.

Chris, the finance director, he mentioned that the rollback rate is the 7.0%. And the dollar amount, he says, it equivalent to the same. But when it's at a higher than the 7.2%, basically what we're getting we're getting a net average increase, okay, when you increase the amount. He just stated that the 7.9 percentage rate, the city of Westport is one of the cities that has the highest increase, and so far it was at a 10% net increase. If we were to drop the millage rate to 7.6%, we're still going to be getting an increase. It won't be 10%, but it could be probably like, I'm just estimating ro

Not taxes, but payment in lieu of taxes. Other cities.

No, I mean, doesn't the whole of the business have to pay occupational taxes?

No, it's called PILOT, payment in lieu of taxes. You can look at it on your own time. But there are other municipalities that do an assessment that's called payment in lieu of taxes.

Yeah, so I'm just throwing out a whole lot of things that we can start brainstorming instead of just really to raise the taxes on the residents. Okay, just like how we have the utility tax for the light. Maybe they can raise the tax on part of that too and give it back to the city instead of just, oh, let's increase the city tax rates to our residents. So I'm just figuring out how there's different ways that we can think of increasing the revenue so as not to having to raise the taxes when amendment previses. But the whole point I want to make TO THE COMMISSION IS THAT WHETHER YOU'RE AT 7.6, 7

Before I let Chris respond, anybody have anything?

Yeah, I wanted to respond to what Commissioner Averlough was talking about. I think that it's important to offer the cost savings to the residents. I think some of the things that we're missing in this discussion is the fact that We're setting our fiscal year budget that goes from October to September, right? And this three passes on November 3rd, it's going to go into effect three, four months after anything anyway, right? So whether we are at the 7.9 or the 7.6, We're not going to be able to raise any millage rate in January. We're going to have to be cutting in January if that pass. It's no

What I wanted to say, Mayor, what I wanted to say in response to that is that If it passes in November, and I know that what our fiscal year span is, if we don't get that assessed value, and it's cut in January, and you indicated that for a property appraiser, they assess for January, right? So if it passes in November, they're going to assess based on the new approval from the voters, right? Which is for January. No, it's going to be for... No, they have to project January.

It's going to be effective on the next... No, it's not.

No, it's not. It's going to... January within our fiscal year.

Right, and we go from one year to the other. It's going to be projected because our season is from October 1st September 30th of 2027.

This law, no, it kicks in January of 2027 if it has, Vice Mayor. This is what I'm trying to get you to understand. It kicks in January of 2027, correct? Chris, can you clarify this?

Commissioner of the Lord and then Commissioner Smith.

Yes, I wanted to know if the city wanted to impose like city tax on cigarettes, alcohol, and Does it have to be approved by the state?

No. Just one last comment. Okay. What I'm proposing is that We lowered the taxes while we can. And I don't see a big difference going from 0.3% difference. It's not like a whole, it's like 97, less than 97%. So I don't see a difference, you know, from 7.9 to 7.6, just 0.3 of a difference. Okay.

No. I'm exhausted measuring on what I wanted to say.

Mayor, so there's a motion on the floor. Was it a motion? Yeah, the second motion. So can we call roll? No. Okay. It's a motion and a second.

You wanted to say something? Yes, I did.

It's a motion and a second on floor, though. Mayor, Commissioner Torsten wanted to speak. I don't need you to tell me what to do. Thank you. There's a motion and a second on floor. Who motioned it, Ola? Me.

No, ma'am. Just because a commissioner motioned for a question to be called, parliamentary procedure means that to be voted on and it gets two of the vote. So we're getting ready to vote? No, because we did not vote to end the discussion.

Just because one commissioner asked for it to be ended. Go ahead. Speak.

What I wanted to say to Commissioner Everlar is that I agree that we should reduce the millage to 7.6, but I do want staff to come back with a proposed budget as far as what that would look like for The 7.6 as well as a projected budget for F that measures passes. So what I am going to ask for us to do as a body is to withdraw the motion right now or the 7.6 so that we can vote on the main motion, keep it at 7.9. in mind that at the second budget hearing, we will have the final step on whether or not that millage rate is reduced and finalized. But hearing that we won't be able to increase it i

So a lot so quick question Chris is is this because I know that there's a process in this is this are we able to do it this way as it is just drawing the motion and then you go to the next. No, I'm talking about the process that having 2 different options presented as of course, I'm just asking a question.

Thank you. I just wanted that clarified on the record. So there was already an existing motion on the floor. Mayor. And can you let me finish, please? There was already existing motion on the floor. Then there was another motion made. So the... Mayor. The...

No, it's no calling of a road. Y'all out of order.

I'm out of order because nobody, if you, if the person who made the motion wanted to withdraw it.

First of all, we have to discuss that. We have to discuss that. You made your statement on it. And the mayor went and did not allow her to respond. She asked the question of the finance director and did not allow her to respond whether or not she's amicable to withdrawing the motion.

So, Ola, can you, just for clarification, so that everyone understands where we are, can you read the last motion, or do you know what, can you just clarify what the last motion is?

So, I just want to clear, the last motion was 7.6, and now by Avalard, and seconded by Commissioner Smith. I'm sorry, Commissioner Touchstone. So again, what is the pleasure of the commission?

Okay, I move to withdraw the motion of proposing the 7.6 millage rate. Second.

All right. So we have next item number, I'm sorry, my computer went dead. Item number 81.

IS THERE A SECOND? FOR DISCUSSION, IS THERE A SECOND? And it is a public hearing, but is there a second for a discussion? Thank you. We need to open it up for public hearing, and then we'll come. Are there any questions from the public? Okay. Commission, what's your pleasure?

Mayor. I call the motion second. I'm not in agreement with approving this first reading because all of the things that the commission has opined on provided feedback is not included in the budget. There's a lot of questions that we have provided to staff that are still outstanding that has not been addressed So I don't think that it was appropriate to vote in favor of something that is not complete and not accurate and a lot of different questions that we as a body have provided has not been counted for.

Right, but this is why it would be important and prudent for us to have workshops so that we can review a preliminary budget, make any recommendations at that time before it comes to a vote. I don't feel, I guess, comfortable or at ease Voting on something that we have so many outstanding questions about. I'm not satisfied with the budget as it is because there's a lot of uncertainties as far as what I'm seeing in the budget. There's not a whole lot of transparency. The budget doesn't make sense. These are comments that I made year after year. The budget should be simplistic to understand and

Right, but we're always faced with this. If you go back historically, year after year, I've raised the same concern. So then that means that our concerns are being ignored, right? Because why should I have to bring up the same concern year after year after year? Like, I still haven't even got my cost savings analysis that I asked for two years ago. There's not been a presentation of the cost savings analysis that the city manager agreed to buy to see where it is in that we can cut things so that we can make those decisions as a body. Still haven't gotten that. That's been two years ago that he

Yes, go ahead. My thing is since the manager has all those questions that needs to be answered and to get back to us, I'm asking for a commitment from the manager to meet with either one of us before the next budget hearing. With that where this is concerned, need a commitment from the manager to meet with everyone, all of individually. Yeah, the in person, yes.

I said nobody has any more discussion. That's not discussion. No, it's not. That's not a part of the item. Who determines what discussion is the item?

Are you serious right now? The item determines it. And she's talking about the budget. She's talking about the budget and getting a commitment. Why is it that you do not want to hold the city manager accountable to be able to provide information to the commission? Madam Mayor, that has nothing to do with the vote.

No, it doesn't. No, it does not. No, it does not. It doesn't have to do with the vote.

There was a motion on the floor. That has nothing to do with the vote. So there was a motion on the floor, correct? And there was again?

The vice mayor asks for commitment from the city manager to meet with us prior to the next budget meeting. Yes, ma'am. based on all of the changes, all of the questions that we had, and so forth. I think that that's something that can be amicable.

And Madam Mayor, point of order, that has nothing to do with calling the roll to vote.

It has to do with the budget. We're voting on the adopted budget and we're discussing the budget. So manager has heard your, you're having a temp temper tantrum up here. Like a little two year old.

You're unable to sit still and be able to conduct business. Can you call the roll? No mayor. Can we call the roll please? It's the motion in a second. Please call the roll.

Item number nine, there are no announcements. Anything else?

No, you want to rest the process and want to have a temper tantrum. It doesn't want us to hold the city manager accountable to be accountable to the commission.

We are done with the meeting. We're not going to approve a budget. Good evening. Mayor, I'm sorry, Mr. Manager, did you want to? No, the meeting is adjourned.

The meeting is adjourned. You adjourned the meeting.

So, Chris, was there something else you needed to say? Mayor, point of order, you adjourned the meeting.

So, Chris, can we... You adjourned the meeting, Mayor. I am talking to Chris. The meeting is over.

Chris, I can talk to you. The meeting is over. Chris, what I need... The meeting is over.

Whatever the information is... No, because it's still recording, and it's improper to be still recording when the meeting is over.

Yes. The meeting is over, Chris. You cannot continue to conduct business.