City Council - workshop

Morning. Welcome to a Tuesday. Good long work day here. Thank you to staff and council for being here. Thank you, Mr Prescott for being here. We gonna officially recognize a quorum, call ourselves into session, hand it over to either deputy or city manager.

So that that 1.2 says not factored into the budget. Yes. So that fee increase has nothing to do with anything on the previous pages. Correct. And that fee increase is going to go to equipment and personnel.

I know I sent some text messages, some photos, so I think what we would try to promote through this. Yes, it's a fee increase, but most of these entities. That's been lots of money out there. You know, if I'm hauling a refrigerator out there, I may not notice on that 4 dollar difference. But if that's my business, what I would hope to see is efficiencies. And so, yes, you're charging me more per load on the per ton rate. But if my employee that I pay 25 an hour to spends 30 minutes in the landfill versus an hour and a half, how much of the 1.2 million is going to increase efficiencies in the w

And Alan, you don't have to get into depth. It's just a point we need to make in the conversation of are we just raising rates because we can or are we raising rates with the intention to actually hit the bottom line for service and improvements?

So I would hope that the gate attendant would be beneficial in just directing traffic. I think traffic flow out there would be the number one thing that like when you are running 30 minute wait times in and out of the landfill, I think is because you're directing traffic very well. And then not everybody has been out there, right? So I think if you're a first time user or not a frequent user, having that gate attendant is probably going to help solve a lot of problems.

Man, that's well said. I appreciate that. What does the rate look like if you increase this 24%, which sounds like a lot? What does that put us next to our competitors?

APPRECIATE THAT. SORRY, ANDREW, BACK ON TO YOUR PRESENTATION.

Freeman, I know we saw the city of Lubbock pushing hard for pay raises, especially on their fire side. And so in those meet and confers, I know we were trying to stretch and do the ask was was far more than I think what you've got represented here. But yes, Give me the 1% amounts because this considers, so say for fire 1.45, that considers the full 3%, correct? So is it roughly $500,000 every percent? So if council was to say increase fire to 4%, you know.

365. What's 1% on police? $474,000. What's 1% on the rest of the organization? Man, you're good. Okay. Thank you. Yes, sir.

Mr. Freeman, can you go back to 14, two slides back? Yes, sir. I probably misheard you. So I understood streets E&I, parks E&I, solid waste E&I, property tax funded.

Sure. The page 16 says one-time CIP general fund. We've got listed the streets E&I and the parks E&I again as one-time fund. Are you just listing them in both categories even though they are covered in the budget?

Are you recommending that we one-time fund this through CIP this year and you loosen up the – Right now, no.

It's not included in the 13.9 here. It is. It is. But it's also included in the property tax.

So you're taking whatever that is, $3.4 million, and you're transferring it over to CIP so you can do the projects in a CIP fashion, but you're saying it's coming from the M&O rate.

Okay. But built into the budget as presented? Correct. Okay. Yes, sir.

So, Mr. Freeman, where does that money come from right now? Is that in existing CIP funds?

So some of this CIP is funded on rates. So let's say solid waste is a good example, right? Right. You increase the rate to be able to go spend $1 million to replace trash cans, as an example, right? Correct. The utilities, that $13 million, is that mainly sewer and water? Not to be confused with utility billing, correct? Like this is all infrastructure, $13 million? And those monies aren't from available fund balance. You're saying those are monies that are from where?

So some of your proposed rates, you have an 8% increase proposed? that funds one time, even though that would be a continual rate as we push it forward. So you're going to build into that rate CIP one-time funds in perpetuity. Yeah.

Can we go to page seven? So I want to make sure I'm following along. What is the TIF, captured value? What is T-I-F? That's tiers.

So that's our allocation that goes to those three zones. So it looks to me like when they do that NNR calculation, they remove that amount. I noticed down at the bottom of the page, if you go to the far right over there, you see you have a less. Tears taxes of 1.2 million. So because they take it out up at the top and they don't calculate it, I understand it not to be a deduction in the end. So like essentially what I would ask is. The NNR no new revenue rate is a rate that a municipality shall pass. That will bring in the same amount of revenues as the previous year. On the same taxable value

Well, I'm not sure, though, because like the taxable value rate sets that rate. So the seventy nine total is everything put back in. So those tax ceilings are added back in plus the NNR rate of seventy million. And it's already factored in. So if you take a 1.2 million line item deduction off the bottom line, you're reducing. So that projection there is 57 million. And I'm curious why it's not 60.5 million.

So the rate itself should vary in order to produce the same revenues in the calculation.

Right. And then that calculation needs to be accurate in order for us to know that the The tax ceilings were taken out. They were put back in. The tiers was pulled out. It was put back in. Then you get the additional monies of just the new property. Redundant factor of part of that NNR. I would like to discuss the numbers that I'm looking at. I'm looking at a page that she gave you guys. This is what Mrs. McMurray produced. City of Amarillo tax estimates. Now, it's just an estimate, and I'm not trying to hold her or her office accountable for saying this is how much money you'll have. And we a

So no new revenue. You're saying if we pass that after we factor everything and we take out for tears again, we'd end up with 57 million, right? Plus, then we would add back in our debt service. And I believe the debt service has been stated as 20.903. So we take 21 million, add it to 57 million, right? 78 million? versus what our projections are of 82.3 for this year? Where are you getting our projected numbers for this year? From her second worksheet, City of Amarillo Tax Estimates here. Oh, she didn't give us that one. Oh, I'm sorry. Go to City of Amarillo Current Levy. So once again, you'v

Mm-hmm. And that's your vater, which is, according to what you guys presented last, $700,000 additional from the no new revenue rate, the way I now understand it. There's a $700,000 difference in passing the no new revenue rate from passing the Vader. Right, correct. So you've got 61.9 in your budget workbook at the Vader. You would be projecting in my budget roughly 61.2 at the no new revenue rate.

Yeah, I'm just taking the $700,000. So I'm just looking at what you've presented. You guys have presented in the budget.

So $60.5 million, which is right in line with where... I understand we're going to land if you run her numbers. And these are projections. So, you know, Christina McMurray not responsible for what people do and don't pay. And we still need to factor conservatively, right? But there's a $3.5 million difference here, roughly. Let's call it a $3 million difference. 1.2 of it, I believe, is when we're deducting the tiers after it's already been factored in the calculation. So I would say we could look at that 1.2 million, maybe that doesn't need to be a line item deduction.

Dr. O, right now, I'M JUST TRYING TO RUN THE REVENUE SIDE AND I DON'T WANT TO MUDDY THE WATER WITH EXPENDITURES. SO IN CALCULATING OUR TOTAL REVENUES, LET ME NOT BRING IN EXPENDITURES YET FOR LIKE DEBT SERVICE OR PAYING TIERS OR POLICE AND FIRE.

OKAY. CAN WE COME BACK TO THAT ONE? BECAUSE I KNOW I'M JUST ASKING THE QUESTION OF DOES THE $1.2 MILLION NEED TO BE A LINE ITEM DEDUCTION? I KNOW YOU'RE ESTABLISHING THAT YOU BELIEVE YES BASED ON THE FACT THAT IT'S AN EXPENDITURE. BUT RIGHT NOW, YOU'RE SHOWING ME MY REVENUES.

Okay, so we don't pay into the tiers. The tiers is paid into from the tax assessor? I mean, it gets distributed through the City of Amarillo, or it gets distributed directly to the tiers? It gets distributed by the City of Amarillo, and then we bill the other partners for their share of it. Okay, so if that's the case, it's being deducted in our calculations for our no new revenue rate.

So they capture the amount of tiers value that's increased, they tax that separate, they put it back in. So you're saying it's up in the $79.2 million total? Right there, if you look at your page on page 7 up at the top, total taxes, you're saying $79.2 at the no new revenue rate? Okay. So I'm just asking a question. I don't know whether the 1.2 needs to be paid out as an expenditure from the city. I'm learning here, but then the 70.2 million is still below what I mean, I guess that's probably the percentage, the 98.5%.

So in getting the calculation right, there's another side of this that I would like to ask why Mr. Path goes through that. So on looking at our debt service, the $20.9 million, that's the debt that's paid for all of those items out of the debt fund, right? And so do you guys have the budget where you could pull that up? And I don't know if we could put it on the screen. Yeah, can we get it on the screen? Potentially. Mrs. Coggins? When we get there, I don't have page numbers on mine, but it's back at the very back. So it's like 1,000, page 1,034, somewhere in there. So I want to make sure that

Yeah, so bond council doesn't show that in two different areas. And I may just not have asked the right question. So I've got general obligation tax supported debt here that let me double check it and make sure it does not show that fleet.

Yeah, so it's not included in his total. So Bond Council's total payment is $19,700,000. We are stating the total payment as 20.9. $1.2 million difference. I was hoping the difference was we've pulled over monies that are getting paid from fleet transfers into our general obligation. So when I asked bond counsel, do those two notes belong here on my general obligation bond debt? He said no, they're excluded in that $19.7 million. Can we get clarification from Bond Council? Maybe it is, like you're saying, Katrina, there's another payment on that series, and it comes from both. You know, a lot

And I'm sure the numbers probably add up. I just can't see them. Sure. And then on that, we have a little bit more money. I guess as proposed from what we're paying out, if that was the case.

Yes. Then the goal would be to treat the NNR rate of, let's say it's 79 million for NNR, less the amount of the 20.9 or the 19.7. Now he shows the 19.7 as general obligation. So can you tell me why we would back off the 20.9 if it is the 19.7 from debt council?

Okay. Yeah, and I know I've got the City Hall piece for the 2.5 included in the 19.776. So essentially, Council, what I'm hoping to do here is to just maximize our efforts with The no new revenue rate is just a consideration. But we need to know, is that no new revenue rate going to bring in 60 plus million? Or is that no new revenue rate going to bring in 57 million? There's a $3 million, $3 point something million difference there. And I'm sure if we let these guys work on this before our meeting today at 3, we could put that together and know. Because I think the way you're presenting it to

Okay. Super. Council, y'all got anything else? No? Councilman Reed, you good over there? Okay. Mr. Freeman, what else you got to go over?

Yeah, essentially, you know, bottom line, it's hard to come in and say, well, we expected to collect $82 million this year in taxes. And that's where we should land, right? And we collect most all of them. Then you look down at your page and It's $80.4 million at the no new revenue rate. So how are we taking that $2 million deduct right off the front end? And it was explained to me, well, that's sales tax calculation. Well, no, that's just on the VADR, right? Then it's, well, these tax ceilings, no, those all come back in separate. And then I think really where you get to it's like, well, it's

Yeah, so it's just the net-net effect of how do we net 2 million difference if, let's say, it was a $100,000 difference payment. I mean, they're the same expenditures year after year. So I really appreciate y'all digging into that and would like to look through that. Councilman?

Only other thing that I think would be really good to hear today, based on the two differences, there's a $4.3 million difference that everybody agrees with, right? The difference from no new revenue to Vader.

So I'm curious, though, like if you flip over to your next page, page eight, you know, you go from the 60.5 VADR rate, which if you go to page eight, like I think if y'all could blow that up, it says it exactly the way I'm saying it. The VADR rate

But you're saying that's the VADR rate, 60.5? Yes. But if you go to our current projections, that's what we're bringing in currently, 60.5. And if there's a $4.1, $4.2 million difference, I should go. from the 60.5 to the 64.5?

Right, so the no new revenue rate is the previous budget. Is what I'm saying. That's the amount that you'd have to charge. Whatever that rate is doesn't matter if it's 42 or 43 cents, but that's the beta rate is how we're showing it. But only revenue we're showing the 57.1. But and that's what I'm saying is the middle column here says 26. budgeted M&O revenues at 43 cents. The no new revenue rate is whatever rate for the same properties in order to produce that same amount of money, 60.5 million. The Vader rate should be 4 point something million on top of that. Can we get, like, Something sol

Do we have a calculator that we can put up on the screen? I don't know if we have that. I mean, it's super nice to see the math. So if we just take what... Christina McMurray has to do her job, right? Her job is to take us from 25 billion in total property down to the 20 billion and then back out all of the tax ceilings and everything, do those adjustments to get us to the 16.7 billion. If y'all run that, just run 16.7 billion times 0.421 per hundred. So take two zeros off. of the 16.7 billion and you come up with 70.4 million. That's our actual revenue at the no new revenue rate. Then you add

I'm good to, if you want, we could adjourn, come back at 1 for a

Yeah, I'm good to leave it here and take it up at 3. I know we put it on the agenda for a discussion item. So, I mean, I've listed about four items there and would be greatly helped if we could revisit this during discussion.

If there's many ways, then let's look at more than one. If there's many legal ways to do this, to arrive at this number, then we would like options. If there is a way, which is the right way, and this is just what the numbers are, then I think we can see it on her rate calculation. But what I would like to do, we'll have Mrs. McMurray here at 3. That way she can speak to it, and we won't be inferring anything. on her behalf. But that's the number one foundational piece for everything else we're fixing to discuss and give you direction on. And without that $4 million difference, how are we to t

Love it. Okay. Council, y'all got anything else before we break for lunch? Mr. McWilliams, we are closing this meeting, and then we'll – Did we find out what the sales tax – Current projection is $89 million without the updated September numbers.

Councilman Prescott, I see you. Just want to double check before we adjourn if you had anything you needed.

Yeah, he said thumbs up. Okay, let's go ahead and adjourn the meeting. Thank you for participating. We'll come back here at 1 to begin our afternoon. Thank you. OK. I'd like to recognize the quorum, officially call ourselves to end the order or the session. Mr. City Attorney, to read us in.

Ms. Kristen, how you look back there? Good. Mr. City Manager, you got everything you need for today's meeting? Yes, sir. Okay. We're going to go ahead and recognize a quorum in here, reconvene the meeting at 3.02 here, and open everything up. We've successfully completed an exec session. We come to the part in our meeting where we get to pray. We get to give a couple pledges of allegiance. So if you guys wouldn't mind standing to your feet while Shane Wiley comes up to give the invocation. Thank you, sir.

We have one proclamation that we get to present to emergency management of Mr. Max Dunlap and company. Will you come up? We're going to join you downstairs.

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you all for letting us do that. It's always good to honor that crew. There's a few more of them over there and we always tell them even though we keep them in the basement, we hadn't forgot about them. That's just because it's the easiest place to be safe and prepared, right? So thank you all for letting us do that. We're going to move our agenda items forward here. Do we have any announcements? No? OK. We're going to move into discussion items. We are currently working on item 4.2. We had a meeting this morning at 11. And so with some recalculations, we don't know

So in the research that you've done, have you found any court cases, federal court cases, that have said that this is a violation of the Fourth Amendment?

In June of this year, 26, Norfolk, Virginia, the federal judge there ruled that the use of these cameras are in violation of the Fourth Amendment. I think that's the most recent. That one will be appealed, but we'll see where that goes as far as the appeals court.

Yes, sir. So the thing that makes these cameras so controversial is the fact that they're cameras and they're taking pictures of motor vehicles, people in crowds and that type of thing. But law enforcement has had access to systems in the past, haven't they, that track people? Right? NCIC, IAFIS, Codex, Index. even though you have to type somebody's name in, a license plate or whatever, it's still a tracking system that we used with the technology that existed at the time, correct?

I know when I started, we had to turn on our microphones when we went into places because we didn't have body cameras at that time so that the dispatcher could hear everything that was going on, right? So that was use of technology at the time. When it was abused, It was up to administration to step in and discipline those that abused it. Absolutely. And we know that those systems were abused in the past, right? Yes, sir. And those people ended up fired and most likely in jail. So this system isn't anything different as the functionality of it. Correct. Is that correct? Yes, sir.

Thank you. chief thank you it's good presentation um it's it's a good discussion i think it can get even better and so what i'm hearing you you well what i'm watching you do is i'm watching you answer questions directly and so for that we appreciate it um you know we sit on this side of the table and so we represent the public at large and we need to represent this concern adequately right You know, when I first got elected, I heard Sergeant Hudson say something, you know, at I think it was an APOA meeting. He said, we police at the will of the people. It was the first time I had registered th

Okay. Well, then my last My last request would be I would take the flock camera system down if I need to. And I think we are willing to do that if it's needed. I wouldn't want to entertain doing that if we didn't know that we couldn't protect it with what we have. So if there's a way to make sure that that data is not shared sold, then that's good enough. But I am no respecter of companies. So if Verkada is easier to work with, And we can get the same safety protocols out of it. Then I think the, the flock contract is up. When it's up and so I'm just saying that across the board. Our prioritie

I definitely hear that request. I think that can be accommodated. And I think that, you know, chief and staff probably have what they need to go out and take that next step. I'd summarize with agreeing with my councilman, never trust the government. I don't think it's a bad way to live your life.

No, I wouldn't ask for this one. I'm saying that in the way governance is set up, your last line of defense, in the Constitution, a well-regimented, well-organized militia. Right. And that may be what we used to have. And I love having a well armed society that is still organized. But that overlaps into your local sheriff, your local sheriff, your local police chief is your last line of defense. against a rogue military or any government that doesn't have your best interests at heart. Local matters most, and those people that are closest to you locally that you know are your friends, not your

Thank you, Chuck. I would give a statement of fact. This council's never signed any non-disclosure agreement. This council's never sold any water rights. Thank you.

Real good. I appreciate you guys for coming up and signing in. Do I have anybody else here who'd like to offer public comment? Yes, sir. And Alan, if you don't mind, just state your name for the record. I know you frequent. Thank you.

Do I have anyone else here who would like to offer public comment? Yes, ma'am. This will be our last public commenter for today.

Thank you, Ms. Green. Ladies and gentlemen, it's 4.55. We're going to take a 15-minute recess. We're going to come back in here and take up item 4.2, discussion on the budget and tax rate. Thank you all for speaking. Thank you for everybody who stuck around during the meeting and those people that are logged back in. We're a little after our 515 callback. So at this time, we'll go ahead and call ourselves back into session. Item 4.2. Dr. O, are you going to take us into this one? I've got your name on this one, but I don't know if you're leading this discussion.

Okay. Well, we may push this back over to Mr. Path. So, Mr. Path, do you want to walk us into this item and then we can kind of hear from what staff's current status is and then go from there?

But happy to try and answer questions. Let's try to work through a few of those just one at a time. So Ms. Christina McMurray is here. Very appreciative of you coming over and trying to assist. I know Mr. Warren was contacted over the phone. We appreciate both of our partners. These are not errors for either one of those tax assessors. So they've done exactly what they should do in their role in how they calculate the rate. What we have right now is, I think we have good questions. The question we've been asking as council is, how do we know that, right? We were told, well, there's only $700,0

Right so so let me ask a few questions on the Potter County side right? So what I'm unclear is the Potter County debt reserve and how that's calculating. So if if I'm looking at what bond Council sent for all of the debt payments, it was 19.773. We had a number plugged in of 20.9. You believe that 19.7 could go down to.

So you have to have that accurate to know what your true Vader tax rate is. So, Council, here's a couple of things just to check off the list. Tiers, no $1.2 million deduct. So we don't have to start with $61.5 and then take $1.2 million out of that. We don't have an expenditure that's coming out of that. We've got that in the calculation above, correct?

Great. So we can check that one off. Monday is being discussed, so I don't know if you're hearing it, but what you're being asked to do is come in on Monday, have a special meeting to finalize your tax rate. The reason that that would be needed is if we are going to go towards what would be the VADR, right, the voter approved tax rate, which right now is 44.7. And so if we don't need to do that, I'm going to tell you, we could potentially still take action today. I don't know that there's wisdom in that. And I think we should, we should probably ask council on that what that looks like. But if

So, Councilman Reid, you've been quiet over there. I don't want to have a public meeting and not be able to hear where you're at. Think in this NNR rate, now that we know it's $61.5 million, that looks pretty good. I'm with Les on this one.

I am so lost on the process that we've gone through. And so, I mean, we're forced to have our meeting on Monday, because there's nothing that we can adopt today, because we don't even know what the figures are.

Well, I know Council hasn't been treated well on the presentation of the budget and the understanding of the budget. I feel like we've done an excellent job of questioning, asking questions, and really trying to walk this out. It's unfortunate that we're here, and I get the frustration, but it doesn't change the condition that we're in right and the condition we're in is a good one right we were not four million dollars in the whole we think we think uh... you that you can uh... yeah trust but verify i mean i don't have anything at this point that i don't know

10 o'clock, maybe? 10.30? 11? What's best? 11's best? Councilman Reed? Can one of you guys text Prescott to see what his availability is?

Yeah, I'm available. time on Monday morning to make sure we come in with everything right because I mean that is our our d-day right so these transfers in understanding the transfers that are going into that debt fund there was eight million dollars shown on this page but it's listed underneath the transfers in From what you would say is general fund, right? So I'm expecting it to come in from. Entities are funds that are are within general fund. I'm not expecting that 8Million to be funded by hot tax. I'm thinking hot tax sits over on its own side and you can see those as they come into. I be

Yes, sir. Council, you're only on the revenue side of the budget. you're going to get over on the expenditures. What this council's done very well is we fought pretty hard to make sure that we're tracking down CIP projects, and now they're coming back to you, right? And you're making budget amendments mid-year, budget amendments end of the year. So on the expenditures side, let's come Monday to really figure out these revenues. Let's pass a healthy budget that gets to everything we can. But let's really hold these actuals accountable as we get the actuals in from the end of this current year.

That's great. Thank you, ma'am. We appreciate you sitting through this meeting and then all the help earlier today and previous week. Council, anything before we schedule a time?

I think that's a great point. So everything that Christina shared is public and can be shared with council. Everything coming from bond council, Mr. Freeman has, he can share that. It was just a projection on debt service payments. Everything else that I'm referencing came out of your budget book. And so all of the other documents are back around a page 1,030 plus.

And then I think if Council has any questions on any of that, getting with staff before Monday morning would be great. Can we say Monday at 11? You comfortable? Yes, sir.

Real good. Anything further on item 4.2, gentlemen? Okay, we're going to move forward. Item 4.3, any future agenda requests?

Councilman, how much time do we have on that? When's that day center come online?

So city management, can we get through budget and all of this stuff before we put these additional agenda items on? Does that give you time to get what you're looking for, but also get through?

Yeah. Real good. Any other future agenda requests? okay we're going to move ourselves forward we have successfully accomplished section 5 public comment we will now move on to section 6 the consent agenda council is there anything listed in this consent agenda that you need pulled off for further detail would request a motion on section six I move to approve the consent agenda as presented. Second. I have a motion and a second. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. Let's move into our non-consent agenda, Section 7. We will... Take up item 7.1 here. Take no action on th

Questions, Council? You had a 4-2 vote on this? That's correct. Council, while y'all think about it, we could go ahead and open a public hearing, unless you have any further questions for Brady or either of the representatives. Maybe Mr. Davis back there, if you've got any.

Council, anything else for Mr. Kendrick? Okay, thank you, sir. At this time, I'll open a public hearing. Do I have anyone who'd like to speak for or against this item? Yes, sir. If you don't mind to, would you like to speak first? Go ahead and come on up. You can go first. That's good. Sure, tell me your first and last name again for the record so we get it down. Okay, go right ahead.

So let me thank you for speaking to that. Good questions. If you do have a littering issue, like we probably try to connect you to our Marshall's office so they can get in front of that. That way we're enforcing those laws. So thank you. Appreciate that. Thank you, Mr. Kendrick. I believe we're good with you as well. Do I have the property owner here? Is that correct, sir? Yes, sir. Yeah, if you don't mind, give us your name for the record. Colby Collins.

You know, I think if you had something just to speak in general for this, we probably would like to know what the general market conditions are that you're seeing for this type of affordable housing.

So you're 1,000, 1,200-square-foot home maybe?

What do you expect to be able to sell those to individuals for?

Real good. Mr. Collins, thank you for the additional information.

Good questions. Thank you, guys. Thank you, Mr. Davis.

Any engineering questions, Councilor? Thank you, sir. Appreciate you, Justin. Thank you. Council, item 7. Well, I'm sorry.

So I do believe, like, it's always good due diligence. Like, take your time, but then let me see here. IF IN THE WAY OF WE WANT TO LISTEN TO THE BOARD, AND THEY MAY HAVE HAD SOME CONCERNS, BUT THIS IS A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. IT MEETS ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS It's designed the owners that are around it. We heard from the only owner who had a dispute or a worry. So I want to make sure we're not tabling an item to come back two weeks later to have another public hearing potentially that we could have taken action on here today. So I want to make sure you don't have any concerns with Anything other

We'll have a second reading. But in the way of holding a public hearing, we haven't closed the public hearing yet. If we close the public hearing, and council wants to take a little bit more time. If I bring it back for action at a later date, what happens there, Mr. Attorney?

I think that's good because a lot of times these public hearings move pretty quickly and I appreciate the additional counsel from legal. So. we want to make sure everybody hears the the public hearing i'm fixing to close um i saw mr wasser is that right so let me do one thing here uh i'm not opening it up for discussion for multiple like a debate style setting i have an individual who's unique he's the only one that called and he's the only adjacent property owner so i'm going to call him back up and just ask did you have a further concern so yes i've got i've got a good answer for your questi

Thank you, sir. At this time, I'm going to close the public hearing. And item 7.2 is before you for the first reading and vote.

Let's see. I would move to adopt ordinance number 8258 as presented. Second.

You got a motion and a second any further discussion? All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. Thank you for everybody who's here. Right now we'll move into our second public hearing item 7.3. Is Miss Kimberly running this one? All right, Ms. Kimberly, would you mind coming up here? We're fixing to run through, I don't know how many PIDs. These are our public improvement districts, and they need to come forward for us to just approve what these PID associations have already approved. So afternoon, Ms. Kimberly, how are you?

All right. Thank you, Mrs. Dillard. Gentlemen, you're familiar with these PIDs, so I think we're comfortable if Ms. Kimberly moves us along all of these. We have to take them up one at a time because we have public hearings, but I'm going to attempt to move us through. I think there's nine or more of these. So, Ms. Kimberly, I don't want you to have to go back and tell us what a PID is every time. No. Feel free to abbreviate that. Just hit the budget with us. We need to see those numbers. All right. At this time, I'm going to open a public hearing on item 7.3. Do I have anyone who would like to speak for or against this item? Seeing no one, I'll close the public hearing and request a motion.

Second motion and a second all in favor please say aye aye any opposed motion passes item 7.4.

Thank you, ma'am. At this time, we will open a public hearing on item 7.4. Do I have anyone who would like to speak for or against this item? Seeing no one, we'll close the public hearing and request a motion.

Second. Motion and a second. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. Ms. Kimberly, item 7.5.

With no questions, we will open a public hearing. Do I have anyone who would like to speak for or against this item? Seeing no one, I'll close the public hearing and request a motion. I move to adopt ordinance number 8261 as presented. Second. Motion and a second. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. Item 7.6, ma'am.

At this time, I'll open a public hearing on item 7-6. Do I have anyone who would like to speak for or against this item? Seeing no one, we'll close the public hearing and entertain a motion.

Motion and a second from place to all in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. Miss Kimberly, item 7-7.

Real good, ma'am. Thank you for that. At this time, I'll open a public hearing. Do I have anyone who would like to speak for or against this item? Seeing no one, we'll close the public hearing. Entertain a motion.

Second. Motion and a second. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Item 7.8, ma'am.

Thank you, ma'am. At this time, we'll open a public hearing on item 7.8. Do I have anyone who would like to speak for or against this item? Seeing no one, we'll close the public hearing and request a motion.

Motion and a second. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. Ms. Kimberly, you again.

Thank you, ma'am. At this time, we'll open a public hearing on 7-9. Do I have anyone who'd like to speak for or against this item? Seeing no one, we'll close the public hearing and request a motion.

Second. Motion and a second. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. Ms. Dillard, 7-10.

Council, any questions on this one? It's a little different. Okay. At this time, we'll open a public hearing on item 710. Do I have anyone who would like to speak for or against this item? Yes, ma'am. Please come forward. And when you get up here, if you don't mind giving us your first and last name, let us know you reside in this pit, please.

Sure. So let's go back a slide, if our secretary can go back. Let's dig into this one just a little bit. So what is not written down up there is a reimbursement to the developer.

Yes, so I want to make sure we're not conflating maybe like what your tax dollars that you're paying are paying for. So your streets are not, unless we have a unique situation, these streets are maintenance through your tax dollars, property taxes. Your PID fee that you pay voluntarily to live in that neighborhood pays for if there's tree trimming, landscaping, maybe you've got fencing around, if there was a gate, which I know there's not, but anything that's a public amenity that's unique to that neighborhood. So in that PID set up, what is your current fee?

Okay. And then, Ms. Kimberly, can you tell us, they met and they approved it to go up to $250 per lot?

So your neighborhood, you have to be in that neighborhood to sit on that board. And you guys vote. And you tell us. We're ministerial. So we're not directing any of this. We are a fiduciary, more or less. And so we're issuing the payments that you guys, your representatives, are telling us. What we would ask is, you know, if if this is being represented that it's no change to you, I think maybe you and a couple of those board members, you could go back through and see what where your payments are going. You could get confirmation that Tommy is being reimbursed for all the services that he's pr

if you're paying less than what the the fee is supposed to be they may have under billed you but i think that you know the debt service is being satisfied we are confirming through staff that all the monies are being spent on that property your neighborhood and and you're satisfied with conditions i think you're you were expressing a dissatisfaction with the city providing additional services we actually don't

Understood. Yeah. And so you're correct. That is a fee that you're paying that contractors are taking care of in your subdivision. And we, the COA, do pay those fees out so that the monies are paid in to an organization and paid out. That way you don't end up with contractors unpaid at the end of the year, essentially.

Do I have anybody else who would like to give? Yes, ma'am. Would you mind coming forward? Thank you.

You've come to the right spot. So this Kimberly is your advocate and kind of represents us as the city and our role of how we help to manage the pits. She can connect you. She has all of the email cell phones. She knows the dates that they're meeting. Um, she could assist in that.

She could also tell you there's some state laws that govern all this, and it's pretty required if you're going to take out a bond and utilize those monies. It's restricted monies. It has to go for those. And then we as a city should be doing our due diligence to make sure that none of those monies are paid in reimbursement only until services are rendered. And so if you want to confirm all that through staff, so you're not just taking our word for it, I think it would greatly help you.

Okay, great. Do I have anybody else who'd like to offer public comment on item 710? Okay. At this time, we'll close.

At this time, we'll close the public hearing and would request a motion on 710.

Motion and a second from place two. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. We'll take up item 711 now.

Real good. At this time, we'll open a public hearing on our colonies, PID. Do I have anyone who would like to speak for or against this item? Seeing no one, we'll close that public hearing. Request a motion on 7-11.

Second. Motion and a second from Place 1. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. Ms. Kimberly, I think this is your last one.

Council questions on this one? Thank you, Ms. Kimberly. At this time, we'll open a public hearing. Do I have anyone who would like to speak for or against this item? Okay, we'll close the public hearing and request a motion.

Motion and a second. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. Gentlemen, let's push through the next one for EDC, and then we may need to take a recess. Item 713, Dr. Eckstein. If you don't mind to come up here from the wonderful world of economic development and tell us what we're looking at here, sir. Thank you very much, Mayor.

Questions, council? On the gateway signs, I know that was something that we were previously trying to budget. That is something you'll bring back for a budget amendment when it's ready, is that right?

These are large, attractive monuments that say, like, welcome to Amarillo, not just signage. So the cost, I know, was substantial. You've got that. Tell me what your reserves look like. Do you happen to know those?

Well, you have the current budget of $700,000 in the project fund?

Okay. And then the reserves, do you guys happen to know what your reserves are currently as the EDC?

Nothing that is impactful for the budget approval here, but I would like to know where the reserves are on if I can get staff to to hit that on an email. I think they're healthy would be my point. Not that we have a concern, but that you decided to stop fishing and go hunting. So I think you're healthy in being able to track down some larger game. And then we've got some fantastic stakeholders out there to kind of the northeast side of town that are growing. And we always want them to hear and know like they can have a lot of confidence in you and us continuing to support all the expansion. So

Okay. Yeah, I think, you know, previous council showed some support for that. Current council, I believe, still supports it, and we want to continue to move that committee forward.

Councilman Simpson's politely reminded me that I only speak for one party here, so let me make sure. I'm hopeful, and I think you guys are taking a good direction, and we're very pleased with you and your team over there. Councilman Simpson, what do you got? I'm good. Oh, sorry. I thought you had a question. Okay. Anything further for Dr. Eckstein? Okay. Thank you, sir. At this time for your approval is the budget for AEDC.

Motion and a second. Any further discussion? All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. I'll tell you what I would like to do. I'd like to go through these next three. I think we can do those pretty quickly, and then we'll take a short recess and come back and finish up. what is the rest of the agenda um miss lola do you mind to present these there are three items but i believe they're similar uh tasks in what we're trying to accomplish there just in updating the cfo position versus a name

Okay. No, I'm sorry. I was hopeful these were the updates for the name or the position. All right. My fault. So let's just take up one and let's see how we do.

Can we go back to that slide, please? I have one request. Nothing concerning that would hold up a vote on this today. But I do have a board member that reached out to me. They had requested supporting documentation for the 7.7 on the indigent care. And I'd like confirmation that they either will be given that once they've been given the supporting documents or that they already have. And if you don't know today, I still think we take action on it. But I don't want to take action on an item if they are still waiting on documents and we don't at least recognize that.

Real good. Anything on this item, gentlemen?

Second. Motion in a second. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. Miss 0715.

Questions for Mrs. Ogunrimi. Okay. Item 715 is before you, gentlemen.

Motion and a second from place one. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. Ms. 0716, please, ma'am.

Motion in a second. All in favor, please say aye, aye, any opposed motion passes if we could before we jump into 717 because we still have. A few more to go. Let's take a quick 10 minute recess will come right back. the time. Back into session. Mr. Henry, you good back there in the back? All good? Thank you. All right. Item 717, Chief Hover.

Real good questions on item 717 or 718 matching grants textile. All good. OK, would request a motion on 717.

All in favor please say aye aye any opposed. Motion passes. Request a motion on item 718. Move to adopt resolution number 090826-6 as presented. Second. Motion in a second. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. Thank you, Chief. All right, Mr. Dunlap, these are the ones I was thinking about earlier. Welcome. You want to walk us through all three of these at once?

these are the bullet fish eye and ptz the zoom capable cameras that interfaced with apd software okay thank you mr dunlap gentlemen do you have questions on item 719 no request a motion on 719 please i move to adopt resolution number zero nine zero eight two six dash seven Second. Motion and a second. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. Gentlemen, do you have questions on item 7.20?

So a financial decision, not a capability decision. Yes, sir.

Second. Motion and a second. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. Gentlemen, item 7.21, any questions on this?

Motion in a second. All in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. Thank you, Mayor Kelsey. Hey, thank you, Max. Mr. Kendrick, will you come back up? We kept you here for the very last one. On this item, I'm going to hand the meeting over to the Mayor Pro Tem, ask him to run this item. I have a conflict of interest on this, so I'll sign an affidavit. I am the owner of a company that has been hired to do the development of this site. So I'm going to step out if you guys will get me once you're complete.

All righty, I guess we'll call for a public hearing on item 7.2.

Any other questions? Alrighty, I'll open this up for a public hearing. Is there anyone here to speak for or against this ordinance 8269? Seeing no one, I close the public hearing.

Second. Having a motion is second. All those in favor? Aye. Aye. Passes with a 3-0 vote.

Thank you, sir, Mr. Mayor Pro Tem. That concludes our meeting for today. With a motion, we'll adjourn. Move to adjourn. You're adjourned. Thank you, guys.