Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

Good evening. Welcome to our Draper City planning meeting. Today's date is September 10th. My name is Andrew Adams. I want to thank all the volunteers up here. They're sitting to my left and my right. The planning commissioners that are volunteering their time, thank you so much. We appreciate you attending every couple weeks. And then thanks especially to the staff, putting up notices, working with the applicants to get them to this point. And then we appreciate our friends and neighbors out in the audience that are sitting there, and even the ones that are listening in via the internet or we

Okay. So let's go ahead and move forward with our business meeting as proposed with that one change. So the first item we have here is a public hearing. It's Blueprints and Blossoms LLC. It's a Home Occupation Conditional Use Permit request. It's on the request of Emily Brinchley, representing Blueprints and Blossoms LLC, a Home Occupation Conditional Use Permit request. on 0.02 acres, and it's located at approximately 67 East Belmont Drive, known as application 2026-0075-USE. And Nick Whitaker is our staff contact. Go ahead, Nick.

Well, it doesn't look like we have any. Thanks, Nick. We appreciate that. Is the applicant here? Hi. You want to come on down? We'll give you a quick minute to add anything to that presentation that you like. You can just start out by stating your name. But you don't have to say much unless we've got some questions for you. So don't panic.

Perfect. Any questions for the applicant? OK. All right, the way this works is we'll put it up for public hearing, and if we've got any questions after that, we'll let you know and come back up, okay? Okay, thank you. All right, thank you. All right, this is a public hearing, so we'll have a couple of these tonight. The rules for public hearings, we let anybody come up and speak about this agenda item for up to three minutes. We've got a nice big red timer up there for you. You don't need to take the full time on this or any of the agenda items if you'd like to comment on them. We just ask tha

Great. Thanks, Kendra. Who will second that?

Yeah, that'd be an okay time to discuss that with that condition.

So do we need to amend that motion that Kendra made and just add that in there? Is that what you're saying, Susan?

So basically, condition six here is that the applicant obtain a letter from the HOA providing consent to operate a home occupation that has an additional employee who works remotely. So what we're saying is... Do we bring her up and ask if that's even going to be an issue? Yeah, why don't we do that, and then let's hold on your motion. Let's do that. Let's hold on that for a minute, because I think that'll answer that. Yeah, so Emily, if you'd like to come back down, then you can see us up here stumbling through this. You probably don't. So tell us a little bit about the ability to get a lette

And this is unlike in a single-family home. We don't see this come up because most likely there's not an HOA, even though some single-family homes do have that HOA. So that's interesting. I mean, I've been up here a long time, and I haven't heard that we need to get a letter from the HOA.

Okay, so what I would suggest, Emily, now that we brought you up here, your employee is remote, correct? And will they ever, ever be at your house? Okay. And if you did, you're allowed to have friends over, so if they're your friend, that would work too. But as an employee capacity, right, they could, yeah. So what I would suggest is that we just waive that requirement to get the letter because there's no need. That's what I would suggest. And that's allowed. We could change that in our motion up here and then vote on that, removing number six. Perfect. Thank you. And would that work for you then? Yeah. So not having to even go talk to your HOA about this?

That would be great. I don't know what they would even say to that. They'd probably lay an egg and take a month to never respond, so that's fine. So I think that's the best way to do it.

Perfect. That sounds great. Is there anyone that will second that? Great. So thanks for the motion, Kendra, and then the second from Susan. Okay, let's put this one to a vote then. So Kendra, this is for approval of the home occupation. What is your vote?

Okay. Congrats on that. Good luck. And then sounds like a great little business. Thanks for coming in and doing it the right way. All right, so let's move on to our next public hearing. This is Exchange 14068 South 145 East Development Agreement Request. It's on the request of Woodbury Corporation for a development agreement on approximately 2.15 acres of property located at 14068 South 145 East. It's known as Application 2026-0195-DA. Our staff contact on this one is Jennifer Jastrzemski. So go ahead, Jennifer.

Jennifer, do you have a picture of that building that's already that other height? That's similar height. I know these are not. I do not.

Okay, we can ask the applicant, too, if they can verify that. Mm-hmm.

Perfect. And then can I ask you, too, so what's the – every island, when you're talking about an island, you're saying that that should have landscape on the island, correct, when there's – head-to-head or bumper-to-bumper parking, there should be an island in between?

As shown on the other side, that's code. Tree diamonds are not allowed, thank goodness, in Draper anymore, so thank goodness. Okay.

Sometimes they're just diamonds. They just take your bumper off, or you forget it's there, and then you pull forward, and you have no bumper. Yeah, but there's some detriments to that. So if those are already there, is that kind of – well, I'll ask the applicant that, but I just want to be clear on what – would normally require is a landscaped island. When you're saying island, that's not just a sea of concrete, right? Like, you'll see parking lots where they actually do have an island in there. Like, let's take Harman's, for example. They'll just have an island right in the middle, Walmart, w

Got it. Okay. So anytime we see that, that's on a development agreement, clearly, or a deviation. Okay. All right. Those are the questions I have. Anything else?

That's why it's great that Jennifer pointed out that there's already a building that looks like this, that has this, and that it's already got that same height. And what you're saying is, does that height include or not include? And you're saying it does not include because that's allowed on anything, that 14-foot architectural. Right.

All right. Thank you, staff. We appreciate that. Is the applicant here? Hi. Come on down. And if you just state your name, and then clearly we'll have some questions for you.

Got it. So as to my question or the question on height, on building height, can you identify which building is similar just by picture? Like Jennifer had this picture here. Is that the building we're talking about?

Yeah, and this looks like all the Wadsworth stuff up there, right, that they've got. Which this is not, but we're saying the height would be almost identical to this.

And then where is that building, Jennifer, that you've got pictures of right here? If you just go back to that aerial. Did you say it was the one to the forefront?

That's it? Okay. Okay. Got it. Just to get our bearings. All right. Any other questions?

And I can, you saw my question about the tree diamonds. I pulled up an aerial here. They're already there, darn it.

So if you go to the aerial, Jennifer, just to see the – I mean, I've just got my Google Maps pulled up here so I can see. There are tree diamonds on your parcel, and the one to the north has no tree diamonds.

It would match. So that is – I mean, I don't get a vote, but that is my preference is that if there is a tree diamond there that doesn't have a tree in it and it's just no water supply, that's why there's no tree in there. then I'd just rather have nothing than a tree diamond.

Perfect. That's the kind we hate. Well, we don't hate anyone or anything, but that's the kind that we would rather not install or repair. All right. So that deviation is already requested, so that's my only. That's just it. Other than flying a red balloon for height, which we don't need to because we've already got a building there to scale from. Okay. Those are my only two points. Anything else from you guys?

Perfect. Do you need to explain your prior life? Just for those that don't know. I think it's interesting.

So Susan knows her stuff. So there you go. So people aren't like, you weren't a hit man or anything. I just wanted to clarify that. It was very mysterious. We know that up here, but we want to make sure that we've got to keep up. Thanks for clarifying that. You got it. It's safe. It's a safe environment. Susan's great. All right. So any other questions from you guys down here? Okay. Great. That's it. Public hearing. We'll invite you back up if we need to. Thank you. All right. This is a public hearing with the same guidelines as before. Who would like to address this agenda item? All right. We

PERFECT. THANKS, SUSAN. WHO WILL SECOND HER MOTION?

Awesome. Thanks, Kendra. All right. So this is for a positive recommendation being sent off to the city council. So let's put this one to a vote. Susan, how do you vote?

All right. Okay. Congrats on that. Good luck with city council. So we appreciate that. That's Pris Bila, correct? Yeah. Got it. Okay, good. Just for the record. Thanks. Thank you. Good job. Yeah, he's got to make sure who's here. All right, so let's go ahead and move on to our next public hearing. It's the Snow Zoning Map Amendment Request. It's on the request of Lowell and Tamara Snow. It's a zoning map amendment for approximately 1.35 acres located at approximately 960 East New Hope Drive, known as Application 2026-0186-MA. And Nick Whitaker's our contacts. Go ahead, Nick.

A question about the last time it was in front of the city council. Were they using the language of age in place? And what was the beef? I guess I shouldn't say that because we wouldn't know because we weren't there. So what was the request? Was it identical to this one?

No, technically it was the same request. So just using now the age in place. Got it. Thank you. Great job. All right. Questions for staff on that one?

Perfect. Great job. See, Kendra, he did know. See, I just assumed that we didn't go back there. So great job, Nick. Appreciate that. Obviously, there's no site plan. This is just zoning. So where that would be cut down the middle, what have you, we have no idea on that. Well, now we can see.

That'll be great. Perfect. Good. Good questions.

And again, we'll ask the applicant when they come up, but it's good to see the existing home on there, right? If that were just a vacant lot, it's a good catch. Right.

Good. Okay. Well, no other questions for staff? All right. Is the applicant here? Hi, if you want to come on down, you've seen the drill. If you just state your name and then you can add anything you like.

I do have a couple quick questions about the existing property. What are the structures on the existing property right now? So see the two, is the casita the one that's furthest to the south there that's by the pool? And then what's this other little property there, that little structure? That looks almost like a pool house.

I've seen this property from Fort Street. I drive by it almost every day.

Got it. Got it. So I know we're not this far, but Nick, if you pull that picture back up there and this were going to be subdivided, we're allowing for a second lot, a second buildable lot, and I'm assuming that's the plan for finances.

Perfect. So that's where that new property line would be. Yeah. Yeah, it makes sense, too, because it's more than one acre. So it doesn't have to be a nice even split down the middle.

Anything over here? All right. Awesome. Thanks for sharing that. Yep. All right. This is a public hearing like those before, so same guidelines apply. If anyone would like to address this agenda item, we'll go ahead and open that up for public comment now. Who would like to address that agenda item? Okay, I don't see anybody getting up, so we'll go ahead and close the public hearing portion. All right, commissioners, what are your thoughts on this one?

No, I think that'd be great. Go ahead. Let me get to the right spot.

Perfect. And then can we get a second for that motion?

Okay, thanks, Christine. And then can you go back just real quick, Nick, to that aerial with the house on it? So just something to point out as well. It looks like, let's assume that, you know, these guys aren't surveyors, but let's assume that that line, that lot line has a little bit of... variation or deviance, it could actually jog back behind that property line. And then that's why I wanted to identify what those buildings were, just in case the lot line isn't going to be as they think. So because we don't know that yet, but they kind of have a general idea. So with knowing the nature of

Okay. Yeah, so with that, let's go ahead and put that to a vote. We've already got a motion and a second. So let's start with you. Kendra, how do you vote?

Susan? Yes. Josh? Yes. And Drew? Yes. All right. Well, you've passed here before, so good luck. We'll keep our fingers crossed for you on the next Tuesday night meeting, so good luck with that. Thank you. All right, let's go ahead and move on to, I think this is our final. item tonight this is our last public hearing and last agenda item of the evening it's the ssbm development agreement it's land use map amendment and zoning map amendment request it's on the request of ari bruning representing sai suresh dan duboyina approval of a development agreement to allow the development of the property

Yes. Yeah, it was mentioned as consideration. So, yeah, for a development agreement, sometimes we get a park or a trail. And in this case, the applicant's volunteering that he only builds one every couple years, I guess. Right? Is that what we're saying as far as that's what they volunteered as consideration?

Your concern is then the width. Yeah. We have a lot of these public roads, but they're like from 1920. Right. They're from before. Sure. Or they could even be, when did we start counting, 1970, 1980? I mean, whenever. It doesn't even have to go that far back, right? Right. But we have a couple of these dirt roads, these private roads, and that's what you're saying. Sometimes the city has to just take those back. And fine if it were 50, 60 years ago, but now to say yes to it now and then say shame on us for saying yes to that and then having to take it back now.

Just requesting to change it to something that would allow four lots. Yeah. Yeah. What's the difference when they go to private road versus flag lot? So let's move up. For example, if you look at the aerial there, there's a couple flag lots. So when does it go from a flag lot to a private road? And what are the restrictions there? So for example, if they were to cut this into requesting to cut this in half, and it was just a flag lot, not really in the back, but just access, it would be a flag lot in the back and then a smaller one in the front. Would that have the same requirements on the 26

All right. Okay, no other questions for staff, so we'll invite the applicant up. Thank you. Is the applicant here? Hi. Have you just state your name for us and then add anything you like?

Did we give him the trick mouse? I have power. Yeah, we've got the good mouse there. You were actually just one slide at a time, so lucked out tonight.

I do have a quick question. When you do your radius there, I mean, you know, it's not people's court, right? It doesn't matter what's going on around it or, you know, what precedent is. But as we're looking at this, as we're looking at the zoning, clearly there's higher density over across, right, over the new construction. These long, narrow lots, you know, aren't really similar to those. Yeah, see what I'm saying over here. So where we've gotten this, this was a development agreement as well, right, that we've gotten the orange, the golden rod there. Correct. So that was a development agreem

Yeah, so just in a radius around that. So as we look at that, fine. So with the development agreement, it Do we have anything like this? Have you seen anything like this that we can kind of gauge this is what it'll look like? Have you seen anything like this in Draper or maybe even in other cities that have these long, narrow lots that are slamming four homes with a private road down them? That's a good question. Because we get this a lot. We get this a lot because of the nature of these long, narrow, you know, pioneer lots that you put your house in the front and then you live off the land in

Yeah, it's not even the lot size, really. I mean, that's fair. I mean, smaller lots. We've got, for example, elements here right by that new proposed development. And right off of 3rd, I guess I should say, after you hit the charter school, there's that brand new development that went in there. And again, so people are settling on smaller lots. That's fine. It's more the orientation. So as we start to get, I mean, I'm looking at these aerials all the time. I'm looking at these, so forgive me for keep bringing these up. But that is so narrow with the orientation for this to fit. And the lots ju

It's not so much. One of my concerns, and this isn't the city's place to decide, but the concern is, like, what kind of home can you even build on there, right? Is this going to be a, you know, 1,300-square-foot Rambler, you know, two-story? Two-story. I don't know. I don't know what they would put on there that is congruent with. I mean, you've got homes down in this, in that Wright Homes development. Those are... It can be up to $1.3 million, $1.4 million, maybe $1.8 million as you start to go across Seventh. Then you look at the new stuff that went in, very expensive. But again, these are n

How does the delay on development, how does that benefit the city?

I didn't think that would be cool to the city, and if it is, then... So shall it be, right? Okay, forbearance. Okay. Any other questions? Thank you. We'll invite you back up after we do public comment. Thanks. All right, so this is a public hearing. We'll go ahead and open it up for public comment. Who would like to address this agenda item tonight? Come on down. And if you're considering speaking while he's speaking, you're welcome to kind of come down and get closer to the front. You don't have to be too polite. So go ahead, and as a basic guideline, three minutes, and just start by stating your name.

We'll just address us, so it's just send only, and then we'll write down our questions.

Thank you. Alright, who's next? I need to get you guys a clipboard back there so you can get the order sorted out.

No, if you're going to speak, go ahead and speak and start with your name. If you're going to submit, you can pass them up here. So let me stop talking. You can say all that again.

Thank you And if you want to submit that just feel free to pass that over here, thank you Thanks all right anyone else Looking for any fresh faces back there anyone else okay, I All right, we'll go ahead. I don't see anyone, so we'll go ahead and close the public hearing portion of this agenda item. All right, commissioners, any questions that have been raised on that? I think, again, this is for a zone change, not for a plat approval or elevation and all these things that we haven't really considered. It's just strictly to ask, hey, is a four-lot zone development agreement here for four lots,

Yeah, we will. I just want to grab a couple of these questions here real quick. We will. And that's why I wrote these down. So the elevation drop, the sewer, the irrigation, but again, All that's in front of us is the zoning. And so, yeah, these are all good questions. Sure, yeah, if the applicant wants to come back up, you're welcome to come back up and address any of those, I guess, questions or concerns that you heard or anything else you'd like to add.

All right. Thank you. All right. Any more deliberation there, commissioners?

I mean, one of the things on, no, sorry. Sorry, I don't mean to be rude and cut you off like that, but we've got to keep some decorum here, so thank you. So back to what I was saying, the land use map is what we're looking at right now. It's one of the three items tonight. We need to vote on the recommendation on there, but just look at that. I mean, if all of a sudden that parcel right there is segmented into four areas,

It's like putting a mini subdivision in there. I just don't see that anywhere. And, again, see, the argument is that, well, there's other developments that are, you know, maybe higher density, smaller lots, what it is, but they are developments. They're not just a strip. They're not just a parcel application. that has now been pretty much changed from single family to multifamily. I know that's a little harsh to say it that way, but look at that. I mean, that is not, to me, one private road with four houses off of it is not a subdivision. It's not really a neighborhood. It's just high density.

Yeah, four homes on one private street is not a subdivision, so. Right.

Yeah, they're tough lots to do anything with other than what they were intended for and what they've been used for by the neighbors. So, well, should we start tackling any of these? These are all for recommendations to the city council. So we want to start swinging away.

Great. Thanks, Susan. This is on the development agreement? Yeah. Negative recommendation to the City Council. Who will second that? Thanks, Kendra. Okay, let's put this one to a vote. So let's start with you, Susan. How do you vote?

Drew? Yes. And Josh? Yes. Okay. And then let's go through the next one. We've got the land use, correct? And then zoning map after that. So land use map amendment.

Thank you. Can we get a second for Kendra's motion? Thanks, Susan. Okay, let's go ahead and put that one to a vote. Kendra, how do you vote?

Drew? Yes. And Christine? Yes. Okay. All right, last one there, the zoning map amendment.

Thank you. All right. Who will second that motion from Susan? I'll second.

Okay, just for the recording so we can keep her straight. All right, let's go ahead and put that last one to a vote here. Susan, how do you vote?

Josh? Yes. Drew? Yes. Okay. All right, there we go. Good luck with city council. Thank you for coming in tonight. Looks like on our agenda, do we have any other business?

Sorry, mine doesn't show that. My mistake.

Do you want to go back and repeat slides one through eight? Just kidding. Just kidding.

No, thanks for that, guys. Let's get us a little bit more free money through code. And if I can just add one thing before we close. Are you guys, to the new alternates, are you guys able to see, I notice you guys following along. So you're always welcome just to check in with us. If you'll notice, as you follow along that agenda, you'll be able to click through, get right down into the staff report that you guys have read and looked through. And there's always, that's where these motions are coming from. And they're just quick. Yeah, just so you get, just since we're training. So that's where

Yeah, because aren't you asked by your neighbors, hey, what's going on? They're like, well, it's not really, it's the state. They're like, what? It's like, yeah.

No, good suggestion. All right, well, seeing no further items on the agenda, what say you?