City Council - workshop

Okay, thank you, Mayor. Next, number two, Correspondence and Council Comments. If you have any comments... get my attention, please.

Thanks. First, I was happy to make it back to Ohio just in time for the community picnic over the weekend. Really great event. I was really happy to see so many people come out and enjoy the perfect weather and the events that we had there. A big thank you to city staff and all the volunteers that helped put that together. It was extremely well done and I hope we see that again in the future. Also wanted to speak to the home committee we met last week, which reminder includes council, schools, parks, library, and the mayor. And a few topics we discussed. are the transportation issues that we'r

I, too, want to say that Sunday was terrific and want to say that Mayor did an excellent job with the song that we played, Gettysburg. If you haven't heard that song, it's very, very moving. It's from an old movie, and the mayor recited the Gettysburg Address as the band played. So it was really perfect for our 250th anniversary. And then I didn't get this email in time last week, and this resident, Mr. Todd Zedak, really wanted it read into the record, so I will read it. Please read the following during tonight's city council meeting during the comment section. Thank you. I'm sorry I cannot b

The Veterans Commission met last week, and just a reminder, sorry to steal anyone's thunder here, but the stair climb is on 9-11 this Friday. It starts at 8 with a ceremony, and then the stair climb is after. You can still register for it. You can go online and register to attend. And it's at the Hudson High School Memorial Stadium.

Anyone else? No? Okay. Next up, we will do discussion items. 3A26-0072, Hudson Innovation Park Update. Katie. Katie.

So I guess I'll start. I think it might be helpful if there was like a one pager you created for us that said, you know, this is what it could look like, you know, for so many years, what percentage, how much, you know, if we're saying that this is gonna, you know, this is gonna be a $10 million facility, it's gonna be a 20 million whatever. And then maybe some of the data behind How did these work or how did they work? You know, is it, are you giving up, you know, X million to save and to generate, you know, X million or what is the, what's the evidence behind how successful these have been?

Thank you. To your point about moving the jobs around in comparative communities, a part of that one pager or an additional page I think would really help me is of comparable or within reason comparable land similar to YDC? Do they have economic zones that they are in? What essentially are competitors offering right now?

Just had a quick question on the salt barn then, Tom. When we met about the excess carryover, it was like 600-some grand. If we're sharing with the county, is it possible that's going to come down in cost? Okay. Do you know? Rough estimate or no idea? And then I know it's got to go through all these steps, but is there an idea of when it will be moved or could be moved hypothetically?

Sam. Katie, the enterprise zone, I know we're going to talk more. Is the idea of looking into that just the making it more attractive for... potential suitors?

So you're not suggesting that the Hinds Hill has to be improved before somebody was interested, but there'd be an expectation that that would happen?

Um, I, I like having all the options, um, and you already mentioned working with the school. So I think that's really important. Um, and I think the other thing that, um, Tom mentioned is just, what does it look like to make that road up to snuff for what they would want to see? Like cost. Yeah. Yep.

I think Costco can have that done in about 20 minutes.

Amanda, if you could, if there's any good scholarly articles on tax payments that you could share that could be understood by non-economists, that'd be great.

Chats for her. Thank you, Katie. Thank you. Thanks, guys. Okay, next up is 3B, 260073, Clinton Crossing Engagement.

Are we still doing the traffic study or do we know where that's at right now?

Thank you. On the financial report that we're anticipating, do we have an understanding of how granular they're going to get, especially regarding the southern portion, the financials of the hotel, the financials of the flex space? I know it says community flex space. I don't know if that, more the market hall, I suppose, than the community flex space, but...

Very nice, okay. And then the hotel's reasonably straightforward. A hotel is a hotel. How exactly, what is the operating model that they are assuming with this market hall? What does that look like?

Samantha. I just have a comment. I do like increasing the total units and adding more townhouses. I just think it gives... people that wanna live in the area some more options and especially being downtown. So I'm personally in favor of increasing the density and for the townhouses.

So as far as the hotel, you're saying that the market study, you said, you talked about a 70 bigger hotel that can be more consistent, Marriott, Hyatt. But in the study, you actually suggested that this community could support that size. Yes.

What about the traffic study? Will that be able to take into account this larger?

Greg, with the Fairmont proposal back then, what was the mix of housing on that? Because there was reasonably positive feedback from the community on that that I remember.

From what it seems like, bringing up the new proposal from 63 to 81 is more in line with the reduction from Fairmount and Testa from like down to 102 and down to 90, which was what they were recommending. I don't know what everyone else thinks, but I think we should offer more townhouses.

So, Greg, can we give, what kind of specificity do we need for townhouses? to go to play and can we give a range or can we give, we want us to be conservative.

Does an increased number of units help us financially?

I like the townhomes on the parking lot food hall side because the scale seems to match. I know that the Owen Brown residents want that feel to continue, but it's not gonna feel like Owen Brown when you see a parking lot and you see a food hall, it's gonna feel different. But I do really like the single family homes that go up Morse. To me, I feel like that connects the Owen Brown neighborhood up north to the residences that are up north on Morse Road. And it continues that neighborhood north rather than thinking the neighborhood continues in a straight line west. So I would rather have those

with with some if if you can provide some kind of estimate of you know lowest to the highest how much more funds much more tax revenue does that mean for us That's, you know, the people that, many folks are not as involved in this kind of decision-making as many of us have been. But when we go to the community and talk about, you know, This is going to generate additional tax revenue for the schools, for the city. I don't understand why we might be doing...

It sounds like we're generally in agreement on the 70 hotel rooms. I'll say myself, I'm also... I'm fine with that. I think it makes sense to allow for the national branding. That makes a big difference in marketing. A lot of companies will only use their approved whatever brands of hotels. So I'm completely on board with that. I like Dr. Bird's suggestion on It's hard for me to just sit here and say, let's go with this number of units without some amount of data in front of me that says, for every additional unit, you see X amount more of income tax, and this property is this much more likely

I agree, Kyle, with what you're saying. I just think we also just need to remember that residents want more other options for living and when we sent it to Planning Commission, they're very passionate and I think going on a higher number and letting them see what they want to do with the density is a better option than going on the lower end personally.

How would this affect the public space, Greg?

I don't mean the space. I mean the success of it or maybe the ability for a developer to partner with us on... the space, or?

Oh, I was just going to flag. I know the planning commission flagged zoning for a market hall. My understanding is if it's not zoned specifically for a market hall and you do have separate vendors, they would just have to come forward each with separate applications or something. So it still could go forward, but it might be a little bit of a hassle where if it's zoned specifically for a market hall, it just makes it easier that it's kind of. Can we also start getting what it looks like to define a market hall in our code?

Are you thinking? Yeah. Okay. It's not a bad idea. It's just to me the way the percentage changes also changes the number of units, right? they're correlated um i i want to stay within pretty close to the parameters that we've been showing the public right i i don't want you know we've done all these charrettes and all of this community engagement and then us to sit here and say that's great and i'm glad they liked it now let's make it you know 80 units of townhouses obviously we're not going to do that but uh The number we give, I want it to be pretty close to what we've been showing. And I r

Yes. But I'm fine giving your question on the sewage for this county. I think 70 hotel rooms and 80 whatever residential, give or take, and then do whatever conservative rounding you want to do. I think you have a number for that.

Yeah. Is it so important the percentage of units or the... Is it so important the percentage of units or the actual, like, square footage? I mean, because it's kind of... For what, sanitary? No, for, like, you're saying, let's come up with a ratio.

You know, 54 is about two-thirds. But if you look at the area, it's about 50%, half-half and townhomes, half-houses.

Thank you. Because you think that's what, that's the one that people want.

i think the challenge is now we're getting into a little bit more granularity and more detail and the financial piece where we if we're going to tell folks like you said that that number we also want to say you know it'd be goodness for them to know if we up to 81 this is the additional revenue that could fund the public space more because again that's what you know the majority of hudsonites um are really going to appreciate that this because of the public space most people aren't going to be living in those houses so so the what we can do to make that public space as successful as possible i

I'm fine with making it 74. I mean, I'm also not going to be that picky on the exact numbers. The Planning Commission is going to have opinions on a concept plan. So I expect this to change. I think it's, you know, they're going to have thoughts. So I'm not going to be too picky on the exact numbers. So I'm fine going with a max of 74. And then, I mean, that in that concept plan is just the initial and then after that you still have the initial and then you also have the final. And in between there you need a developer. So in between the concept and initial it's also gonna look different. In b

Yeah, and then along with what the number we suggest, having that financial piece would be very helpful for iterations. Sam.

Mayor, you made a valid point. I just don't know how we quantify how many single family versus townhouses we do based out of that 74 when there was feedback that said 90% wanted small single family houses, 1600 to 2200 square feet. You know, that's just, I don't know how we would determine what is what, but I don't know if that's relevant right now or not.

Okay, great. What else do you need? So besides 74 and 70,

I think we're going, let's submit at the max that we gave to the residents. Let's go 74. And it sounds like the geography of the space does the math for us on the percentages. So I think that's your direction.

Next up is for the proposed consent agenda for September 15th, 2026 council meeting for a TMP dash eight, eight, seven, seven, a motion to acknowledge the timely receipt of the August 2026 monthly financial report. No book.

I apologize. So yes, we've had this statement on HCTV a couple of times now. You said it's going to be a topic of discussion. Do we have any preliminary ideas, plans on how we're going to address that, or is that just a topic for another time?

So essentially just admitting that we're subsidizing it is kind of option one. Is there any other thoughts out there yet or do we need to have a separate discussion item on this?

Thank you. I feel like we've had this note on this every month. And so I just wanted to have a bit of a discussion on it. Okay. We know we're losing money here. What's the plan? Okay. All right.

I thought there had been some discussion about putting some kind of money from Velocity. Each person who would be on the plan would contribute some money towards us. I thought that was a plan.

Thanks, Jeff. Next is for B, TMP-8845, resolution authorizing city manager to advertise for bids entered into a contract and approve the pre-purchase of retaining wall blocks from Mack Industries for the Ellsworth Meadows Golf Course Hole 17 retaining wall installation phase two project and declaring an emergency.

Questions about 4B? And the next one is for CTMP-8846, resolution authorizing the city manager to advertise for bids and to enter into a contract for the Ellsworth Meadows Golf Course Stormwater Management Project.

I'm not a golfer, so I don't know. Are you creating a water hazard then?

All right, any questions about that? Dan? So is this the list of core properties that we've been talking about?

I'll say the course is very well maintained and it's a beautiful course. So keep on doing whatever you're doing.

Thanks, Brad. Oh, are you still up for D? 4D, TMP-8871, resolution authorizing the city manager to advertise for bids to enter into a contract for the North Main Street stormwater improvement project and declaring an emergency.

I would be in favor of that because the residents on Owen Brown have had multiple meetings with Brad and this would save you time.

Thank you. And then 4E is TMP-8872, resolution to forward the Clinton Crossing preferred site plan to the Planning Commission for concept plan review. That's what we just discussed a few minutes ago.

Okay. Next five is proposed legislation for the September 15th, 2026 council meeting. 5A is 26-78, ordinance amending chapter 876, short-term rental operations. It is scheduled for the third reading next week. Patricia.

We're going to postpone that. A motion to put it at another date.

Okay. Do you want to have any discussion about it right now? Do you want to have any discussion about this, Kyle?

I guess... SHE DOESN'T HAVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON IT. I GUESS I WOULD JUST LIKE SOME AMOUNT OF INFORMATION. I ASSUME STAFF NEEDS FURTHER TIME TO GATHER INFORMATION, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THE ORIGINAL REASON WE POSTPONED THIS HOWEVER MANY MONTHS AGO IT IS NOW WAS TO GATHER ADDITIONAL INFORMATION SO WE COULD TAKE ACTION ON IT. I JUST WOULD LIKE SOME IDEA OF WHY.

We just had a forum where we had over 40 people there and the staff is collating a lot of their suggestions and we're still working on that and it wouldn't be ready for next week.

One thing I would like to make sure that everyone saw the survey from residents that lived around the short-term rentals. I think a letter was mailed to, it says 158 properties that lived within 100 feet of a short-term rental and got their input as to what it's like to live next to a short-term rental. What's really interesting about this is that, well, first of all, the response rate was very low, 30%, and so we don't know if that's because 70% of the people were just like, meh, they don't bother me at all, I'm not gonna reply, or are there other reasons why they didn't respond? And then the

See Samantha, so we're not talking about it anymore than today.

Do you want to have some more? Make another comment, yes.

The eight that made contact. Do we know like what was that over the last 10 years? Do we know like when those?

Do we know that I don't think that was that question. Get that granular Greg.

so we probably can't drill down to that level i have a resident that attended i'll make sure that everyone got the email because i thought we were discussing this more but um she made the comment a lot of the opposition was based on the fear of potential issues rather than documented problems and so that's why i was referring to the eight you know what were those substantial um problems and then I just also want a clarification. If we increased, like I like the 3% tax and increasing to the 500, but is that just covering our cost? If we do the inspections, or and then we're making a little bit

So we discussed it at the workshop prior to that. Okay. Okay. Thank you, Greg. Next is 5B26-118, resolution authorizing settlement of the Prestige Builder Group LLC versus City of Hudson lawsuit and related claims surrounding the Canterbury Meadows development. This is scheduled for a public hearing and a second reading next week. 5C, TMP-8864. Jeffrey, can you? Okay, let me read this. And then TMP-8864 ordinance providing the issuance and sale of $740,000 of taxable economic development non-tax revenue anticipation notes in anticipation of the issuance of bonds for the purpose of paying costs

Yeah, let me read those. Let me read D&E then. So that was C. Next is 5D TMP-8865 ordinance providing this issuance and sale of $925,000 of taxable economic development non-tax revenue bond anticipation notes in anticipation of the issuance of bonds for the purpose of paying costs of acquiring approximately 1.0 acre of real property located at 94 Owen Brown Street. So this was the Windstream property. Thank you. And next is 5E, TMP-8866, ordinance providing for the issuance and sale of not to exceed $6,825,000 of notes in anticipation of the issuance of bonds for the purpose of paying costs of

Okay. 5G TMP-8868 ordinance providing for the issuance and sale of not to exceed $15 million of notes in anticipation of the issuance of bonds for the purpose of paying costs of improving and expanding the city's velocity broadband fiber optic system by acquiring and installing infrastructure equipment to enable provision of residential internet service.

5H TMP-8869 ordinance providing for the issuance and sale of not to exceed $5 million of notes in anticipation of the issuance of bonds for the purpose of paying costs of remodeling, renovating, enlarging, furnishing, equipping, and otherwise improving the city's fire EMS facility including construction. constructing a new detached garage building on and clearing, improving and equipping the site.

Okay. Five I ordinance providing for the issuance and sale of not to exceed $3 million of notes in anticipation of the issuance of bonds for the purpose of paying costs of installing an advanced in an advanced metering infrastructure. AMI project for the city's water resources and public power utilities.

Thanks. Yeah, I guess you're done, Jeff. Six is items to be added to future agendas. Proclamations will be appearing next week. Mighty Vincent Day 2026, Jacob Meacham Proclamation, Kiwanis 75th Anniversary, and Constitution Week. Anything else besides that, Jeff? Okay. All right. Anything else? to discuss, no, all right. Is there a motion to adjourn? All in favor?