City Council - Regular Meeting

Okay, so we're going to start our regular meeting. City Council for the City of Hollister, today is the 8th of September, and we're meeting today on a Tuesday because, as you know, yesterday was a holiday, so we move it a day over when it lands on a holiday. 630. So thank you all for coming who are here in the chamber. Welcome to everybody who's on Zoom. Let's go ahead and get started with roll call.

Here. Here. Okay, thank you for that. Council Member Morales, would you be willing to lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance?

Okay, great. Thank you, council member. And then I'm going to check with our city manager and or attorney. Anything to report from last closed session?

Okay, so I'm wondering if maybe we could give a quick little update of what that meant from one of you two. So just really quick, really brief.

Okay, that's right. Okay, thank you. We'll get a little more information at that time. Okay, so we're gonna move into special orders of the day before proceeding to public, the open public comment session. So today we want to highlight Childhood Cancer Awareness Month, and we have a proclamation. So tonight we're recognizing September as Childhood Cancer Awareness Month and the important work of Jacob's Heart Children's Cancer Support Services. For nearly 30 years, Jacob's Heart has provided compassionate and practical support to children with cancer and other serious illnesses and their famil

well yes let's give her one round of blood and please please don't leave the podium yet um please don't so first of all i just want to thank you so much for your work and i will i think i can speak on behalf of the entire community when i say first of all we know that our most vulnerable are often our children and especially when we think about a child who is sick there is nothing more important than taking care of that child and that child's family So thank you so much for everything that you do and for thinking about those things that often fall through the cracks. As you may know, many peop

Okay, and once again, thanks to everyone that's associated with Jacob's heart, what an important organization. Okay, so we're going to move into the public input, public comment, open public comments section of our agenda. So this is a time for anyone in the audience to speak about any item that is within the purview of the city council, but it does not appear on today's agenda. Speaker cards are available in the back to fill out. You fill it out, bring it to our clerk up here in the front. and um and then when you uh when it's when it's your turn they will call your name come to the podium st

Okay. Thank you, Ms. Janssen. Other speakers? Okay, so thank you for that. And then Ms. Jansen, feel free to reach out to anybody on the council or city manager to get more information about your issue. Okay, so we're going to move on to the consent agenda. So do any members of the council have any brief questions or comments on any item that appears on the consent agenda? Okay, hold on a second. Can you hold on? Let me just check over here. Okay, go ahead. Which item are we looking at?

It's on 7.10. The one about risk resolution accepting the improvements in the public right of way and other areas designated for public use within the project almond clearest park subdivision. So, you know, as we read through consent. I kind of dug in on this one because it talked about the roundabout on San Felipe at Burt and I kind of dug in on it and found a Benito Link article by our own No Magana is not here. It's like late 2019, early 2020. And it says in a 4-0 vote, the amendments included removing a requirement to build a roundabout at San Felipe and Burt. But clearly there's this roun

Okay, that was literally it. I thought Amazon had put that in. It's definitely functioning. It works. And roundabouts are kind of the way of the future. Thanks. That's all I have.

Okay. Any other questions or comments on the consent? Okay. Do we have any public speakers on anything on the consent agenda? Okay. Okay. So I'm going to bring it back to the council for a motion.

Second. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Okay, so consent agenda passes. So we will move on then to our item number eight, public hearing, a resolution authorizing the city of Hollister's continued participation in the statewide community infrastructure program, also known as SCIP, S-C-I-P. Staff report, please.

Can you just give me one second? I'm just going to ask the clerk, is there any way to get the screen, the box on the bottom? It might be covering up some of the people that are on Zoom's ability to look at the screen.

Okay. Is there a way to do it in a way that does not obstruct others' ability? Because they're going to miss the whole bottom part of the...

Okay, well, let's see how the other slides go, but I just wanna make sure that it does not obstruct what, okay, thank you. Okay, go ahead, Mr. Hemel.

Okay, thank you for that presentation. Let me just check in. Any questions? Dr. Resendez, go ahead.

Thank you, Jeff. Thank you for the presentation, Mr. Anzum. Okay, so I'm just trying to wrap my head around this. So I understand... Basically, what you're saying is that you finance developers in order to afford to be able to build small to medium, sometimes large on a standalone basis projects. So you're helping them out with impact fees. So I understand that. So what the only changes that you're doing now from what you said is that it's including ADs and CFDs. And that's why we're bringing this back to City Council?

Makes sense to me. I think that's it for now. Oh, my other question is, do we have a lot of developers utilizing this? I know that we're a partner. We've been a partner for a while. But do we have a lot of applications being submitted and approved through you guys? What are the numbers or what's the data to show on that?

Okay. And in other cities that are relatively the same size as us, can you just tell me what their numbers look like compared to ours?

Okay. And typically, I would imagine those also include residential. They're not limited to just commercial, industrial. Correct. Okay. All right. Thank you.

yeah I just have one quick question it's a little broad, but I was wondering, can you tell us the benefits of or have you do you know of any of the positive outcomes of cities utilizing this partnership, can you just touch on that.

Okay. Thank you. Last question. What type of commercial buildings have you, do you know of that other jurisdictions have approved and partnered with you guys?

Thank you so much. Okay. Council Member Morales. Council Member Pichet?

So are municipalities using it? Are we on the hook for promoting this? Or is this on the development community to know about so they can get more funding for impact fees and all the things that SCIP is used for? Because I could see us using this as a tool to get more local jobs, more, you know, industrial commercial projects up to San Felipe corridor. So, yeah, we'd want to probably use this as a tool to help, you know, achieve those goals. But is it really on us to, you know, it comes to like a residential development? Is it like on us to promote this?

Okay. So just a couple of comments and I think a question. Let me just see how my question gets answered. So first of all, this is a discretionary tool that's available, right? It's not anything that... under certain circumstances, somebody would have to access. It's just something like, this is available to you. If you need it, at your discretion, develop, Mr. and Mrs. Developer, right? Correct. Okay, so it's just a help. It's a tool in your toolbox.

It's a tool. And then... The way that I would imagine how it could be helpful, I'm trying to gain a picture in my own mind as well as convey to the public, is that if a developer, a particular smaller developer, came to the plan department, began meeting, and then ran into a glitch because, maybe because something was too expensive, this could be offered to that prospective developer, especially as we encourage them to promote projects that we really wanna see. Right?

Okay. And then I'm just wondering if you could just speak a little bit more and give a little bit more information about this idea of economies of scale and how do you see that playing out? Are you speaking in terms of you might have multiple small developers that... in the long run would benefit together as a group, or in what way are you seeing economies of scale come through this tool? So can you just speak a little bit more about that?

Okay, that makes sense. Okay, that's all I have. So I'm going to go ahead and open the public hearing so we can hear from our public if there's any comments. So I'm going to start the public hearing at 7.02. Do we have any speakers?

Okay, thank you, Mr. Clower. By the way, because you went to high school with my two boys, you are not the old guy in the room. Sorry, you are a young guy, but okay. That's an aside. Other speakers? Okay, thank you for that. So I'm going to close the public hearing at 7.05, and I'm going to bring it back to...

the council for any other comments questions um go ahead council member morales yes uh thank you for that information can you james can you tell us what would be the average amount that a homeowner would see on their property tracks um if a home was anywhere from 500 to 900 thousand dollars

So I just kind of another question popped into my head. So I thought this was a tool for homeowners to, you know, potentially qualify for a home or, you know, a business to overcome some upfront costs to getting into a project. But for the homeowner side, because Carson kind of jogs something in my mind while he was talking. I thought this was a tool to reduce the upfront cost to get into a home and then spread that lowered upfront cost over the property tax portion of twice a year and spread it over the long haul, like 15 to 30 years. Is that accurate?

Okay. So it's lower and then they can, the homeowner has the option to pay it off early with no penalty. Is that kind of what I'm hearing?

Thank you. Okay, any other questions or comments. Go ahead, Council Member Morales.

I just, I have a clarifying question because I think Council Member Foucher talked about the total cost of the home and I heard James talk about costs on the property tax bill. So is it both? Potentially could be both?

Yeah, so potentially if, let's say, it costs $200,000, but the house next door is valued at $900,000, they're not going to sell at $200,000. I mean, it's going to go based on market price, and they're going to have to pay anywhere from an additional $13,500 on the property tax

I understand that concept, but as we have it now for residential, who's paying for the CFDs, for the impact fees? It's the developer that's paying, right? Okay.

Right. And then the upfront impact fees is the developer. Okay. Okay, and if we were to adopt this program, what we're saying is that potentially those impact fees can get put back on the homeowner? Is that what you're saying? No, I don't believe so. No, okay. All right, all right. So, yeah, I'm getting a little bit confused up here. To me, it sounds like... that the cost savings is going to be in the lower interest rate that the developer is getting, right? So potentially he said 8% to 4%. So that's a cost saving. It's driven by the market regardless. Somebody is going to pay the CFDs, the im

So I think, well, to the speaker's point, right? One concern you brought up was that essentially there's going to be another line item on their bill, right? I understand that. That's a frustration of the public. So they're going to be upset about that. But regardless, that's... It's still getting paid. It's still going to get, that item's going to be there. It might be looking a little bit different. And if we have this tool, it's going to help the developers. And it's also going to help that customer that can go to this company to, let's say, settle that bill or to ask questions. And it's goi

And I think the thing to remember, it's discretionary. It's just a tool. Yeah. Okay. Go ahead, Councilman Morales, and then you're next up.

No, completely understand somebody will pay and I think things will eventually get covered. However, I think my concern, at least for residential only, is that, you know, I think buying a home is overwhelming. It's like a stack this big of paperwork. I think people are, you know, people read it, somebody will tell you about it, but then I think it doesn't really sink in until later. I think when somebody looks at their property tax, It is pretty high right now. I think what I've heard residents say is right now there's an affordability issue. And I think if there's homeowners and looking in th

Yeah, I just had one more question for, I was, maybe it's for James Hamill or potentially Mr. Kreischer, director. One benefit for the city, could it be that, you know, when it comes to impact fees and any other fees that this could pay for that the city gets, I mean, we work for the community and we work for the city. We, you know, financial health of the city is part of our job. So would the city potentially get paid faster with these types of funding options? Is that a potential positive benefit for these skip loans? Yeah. Okay. So it's good for us. Okay. Okay.

Last thoughts. Thank you. So yeah, and then to the point of, they have the option to pay it off, people are not going to just pay it off. Like we know that, right? It's very intimidating, overwhelming to purchase a house. But I am wondering one thing, like, what's in it for you? Like, how are you guys making money? There's no additional costs that's being passed on to the customer, right? I would assume that you're investing the money. And that's how you're making money.

So you're charging a fee to the developer up front to utilize your service.

Okay, and... I'm just going to assume that the developer will not pass on that extra cost to the residents, but we can't make that assumption because they actually can if they wanted to. All right. Thank you for clarifying that.

Okay. Any other? Okay. Okay. Not seeing any. So I'm going to then move on to ask for an action or just see what the council would like to do to move forward on this item.

Okay. I think I'm going to ask for a roll call vote on this one.

Okay, so it passes four to one. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Hemel. Thank you, Jeff. Appreciate the information. So we're going to move on to item 8.3, a resolution vacating the right-of-way portion of Nash Road between West Street and Monterey Street. Staff report, please.

Sorry, I apologize for that. Let me see. All right, I just got ahead of myself. Sorry about that, turned the page before I was ready. Okay, so we're gonna continue the public hearing and consideration of resolution approving the initiation of the general plan amendment and pre-zone for three project sites. So just as a reminder for those of you who may have been listening at the previous council, we opened the public hearing. We didn't have the necessary four participants at the dais to be able to move forward on this item. We just opened the public hearing as a way to begin this process. So t

Can we take out the little black thing up at the top? I mean, again, it's been it's obstructing part of the presentation. Okay, just go ahead and continue. Thank you.

Okay, thank you for that. So questions, go ahead, Dr. Resendez.

Thank you. So thank you for your presentation. I have a lot of concerns. Number one, do we have to vote for them all as a bundle? I would assume so if they were brought in as a package.

Okay. Ridgemark. If this piece of property were to be annexed into the city, and we're talking about annexing in Cielo Visto as well, would that then allow access for Ridgemark potentially, potentially to be annexed into the city as well?

I understand that. That wasn't my question, though. Without us annexing in that little piece of property, could Ridgemark potentially be annexed in? I would assume not, because it needs to be next to

Then that's a big no for me. It's a huge concern and a big no for me. Because that worries me. Because for obvious reasons. So I cannot support that at all. Thank you.

Questions? Questions on this side? No. Go ahead, customer. Okay.

Yeah, so my question is, so we're literally looking at these three properties, these three items that can be voted on separately. We're analyzing these particular 1.9, 40 point whatever, 03s. um those are the only three things that we would be annexing if something were touching it like a fence and let's say ridge mark was next to that we wouldn't be like annexing ridge market we would just be adding seeing that little corner that's in the north west side of the um 25 fairview right and it's looks like it's residential right now and it looks like they potentially want to put a gas station in,

Yeah, I'm kind of like a romantic guy. I remember when McCarthy, you know, on the, what would that be like? The South side of McCarthy used to be an orchard. It was apricots, right? I remember that. I was a little kid playing in those apricot orchards until my mom yelled, you know, when the streetlights come on. So I kind of miss being able to play in the orchard, but I'm 46 now. And obviously I don't play in somebody else's property. um you know what i mean and so now it's a lucky's in a bike shop that i love and uh you know every once in a while going to kfc i'm not gonna like and uh whateve

I think I have a little bit more of a statement there. Sorry.

Okay, thanks for that. Any, any other? Okay, so we're gonna go ahead and move to public comment. Do we have any speakers on this one?

Okay, thank you, Ms. Hall. Other speakers?

you know go out and solicit for businesses try to get one nice you know project um for the city so thank you okay thank you mr ricantino other speakers i have no more speakers okay okay thanks for those um go ahead mr dr rescindus thank you mayor stephen so yeah um

Yeah, I'm glad these meetings are recorded because we can look back on this and then we can potentially piece together what could potentially happen. So I'm not entertained or interested in hearing about somebody's days playing in the orchards and how we move on from things. Let's be realistic here. Pieces of development and projects are pieced together. The Cielo Vista never, ever should have been part of the city. They did have an unfortunate incident that happened where they needed water and sewer from us. I understand that. But that also opened the door for development to occur across the

So we can vote on them separately. You will. And will that not mess up the four amendments that we get here? Perfect. OK, then we have a solution there and I will be voting my conscience.

No, thank you. And then I do want to say this is the most thorough presentation I've ever seen on annexation and all the time that I've been sitting up here. So thank you for that. I don't necessarily need that, but I think it's good for the public to have that. And I probably did at some point in time when I first got up here.

okay other other um oh go ahead councilman so i must be a little bit confused so it's all three of them are separated and we can vote on them individually um when it comes to the one that it sounds like council member resendez has his concerns about it looks like it's residential mixed commercial right now and they want to make it general commercial and potentially what we're thinking is make it a gas station So can we put that property back up on the screen?

The map? Is that what you're asking for, the map?

Yeah, the map of the Achilles. That little sliver at the end of 25 in Fairview. So right now it's residential, right? So who? Not that one. It's mixed. It's mixed. Oh, I thought it was, oh, it's mixed commercial residential. Okay. So, I mean, who would ever want to live on that piece of property? I just don't know if that's somewhere anyone would want to go.

Yeah, people could drop their fuel, head to the Pentacles, grab a Snickering car, throw their backpack. Am I missing something? Could this be bad for the city if we annex?

In my gut, I feel like some of us up here have a little bit of concern that once it leaves agriculture and it goes to industrial or commercial, it's easy for it to be rezoned into residential and we have just more growth. That's one thing that a lot of people have concern about.

So I'm going to interject specifically on this property because I'm looking at the floor view and I believe that I'm the only one that lives over there. So I go by that corner almost every single day. I used to walk in that field before the houses were built there. When the houses were built and all that beautiful open space was, before it was gone, it was weird that that little corner kind of stuck, and it still does, sticks out like a sore thumb. It is a weird place, but it is also a place with some opportunity to, And although I think most people know that I have been very, very careful and

Thank you, Mayor Stephens. And again, I just want to be very clear. We're not just annexing in that corner. We're annexing all of Cielo Visto. And the house is in Cielo Visto, correct? With this vote. That is a necessary step on that one. So we're not talking... I know, I want to make sure that's clear.

I want to be very clear about this. about my position without us annexing in Cielo Bisto and that corner which is the position that I said I was going to take, Ridgemark cannot annex into the city either. I just want to be very clear about that. That's all. And if we do annex in Cielo Visto and that corner, Ridgemark can be annexed into the city. That's all I'm saying. And I could be here a number of years and I'll bite my tongue if there's a gas station there, but I could be here in a couple of years and I'll be the one to say,

Told you so. That's all I'm saying. You can vote whatever you want. And I'm not putting out anybody directly. I'm just wanting to be clear about the pattern of development and annexation and sphere of influence and growing the city. That's all. And it might not even matter because we have an urban growth boundary that's been put on the... whatever, on the ballot by the residents because they're so tired of it anyway, right? They're so tired of the games up here.

So it may be a new point. And to your point, I just wanted to be really clear too that for those of us that live there in that neighborhood, that's what that means to us, that corner. And if we can do something that benefits the community, that changes that eyesore, that doesn't leave that as a misopportunity, I think we should take advantage of it. Again, because when it makes sense, That's when I and I think this is a perfect example. It makes sense.

So anyway, if everybody has, that's okay, that's fine. That's understanding or logic that you do that we're also an issue in Seattle.

Not just no, I missed that. And I thank you for that clarification, because I certainly don't want to come across as like missing that piece. But that is a piece to it. But it also is something that leads to a benefit. So that's okay. So with that, I'm going to stop talking. And I'll go ahead to Councilmember Bichet.

So I just want to help somebody help me refresh my memory because sometimes I forget. So when Cielo Vista had their sewage issue and their filtration system was failing and they needed to – I thought that we annexed Cielo Vista in at the time that they're – we're doing that right now.

Oh, so there was no like, I thought there was like a certain number of years before Cielo Vista had to be annexed in after we provided the solid waste services.

So what's the negative impact to the city of Hollister if Cielo Vista becomes annexed into the city? Is there some negative impact for the city of Hollister? Are we super responsible for major cost outlay? we're giving them utilities now already giving them utilities we provide police and fire what else what is the it really i don't i'm not really okay yeah i mean somebody must i must be a caveman can somebody hit me on the head with a bat of some sort like a club because i don't see what how does it how is this bad for the city

So we're just kind of tipping Ciala Vista into the city now. And it's just, there you go. Now you're Hollisterites instead of San Benito Countians.

okay okay any other okay so i think we we went to public comment already so um i'm going to then we're going to do this in order so we're going to do one at a time um so let's so do we have let's let's see i'm going to need some help on uh the resolution and the property um like one at a time and which so jeff if you can help me with this the first property name location and then we will um make them we will take an action and then we'll go the next one after that okay thank you

Okay, okay. So I can ask for roll call mayor Stevenson share us that one. That's okay. Thanks.

Okay, sure. So can I get a motion on that item?

Yes. Okay, so that passes. That does not pass. We need a 4-0. Okay, so that one did not pass. Oh, let me just explain quickly to the public that for these types of annexations, you have to have a four-person majority in order for it to pass, right? So that's the reason. Okay, so let's move on to the next one. And if you can do the same thing for the next one. Thank you.

Okay, so that's one that's closer to the airport than the others. Okay, and so can I get a motion on that one?

I'll move to adopt, Mayor Stephenson. I'm not asking for roll call on the next two.

Okay, all those in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Okay, no opposition. So that one does pass 5-0. Next one. Thank you, Jeff.

Okay, that's one near the airport. And can I get a motion on that one?

Okay, all in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Okay, so that one also does pass five to zero. Okay, thank you. Thank you for that. And thank you to the public for your patience as we deliberate that a little bit. That is so important as we're moving forward as particularly complicated items. So thank you for your patience. So now we are going to move to 8.3, resolution vacating the right-of-way of a portion of Nash Road between West Street and Monterey Street.

Okay, so any questions or comments from the dais? Go ahead, Council Member Morales.

Yes, thank you for the presentation. I did ask for numbers. I was wondering if those were ready. So we've heard from the school district that young people, students have gotten hurt, right? And we also heard at some point that we also need access for police and fire to get through. And you mentioned that there was clickers. So can you... share the data from both perspectives from the the school and from our police and fire or I can address that Councilwoman.

I'm wondering then can we, of course, this is just my opinion. When you're dealing with people's lives, lives and, and we know minutes count. I feel very uncomfortable just making a decision because I also don't know if we move forward. Is it going to be easy to when we do get the numbers right $20,000 versus our liability and people's lives in terms of any potential death or disability are very concerning.

Completely understand. However, I think this is foundational information for us to make a decision. And I understand that, again, I go back to liability and potential future litigation. If we know that we are making a decision that's going to cause potential death or disability due to the response time, and we have those numbers, we have that data, then, I mean, $20,000 For the property and you know i'm. Again, these are, I think these are decisions that have significant impact to the city so overall general fund budget and we know the potential impact to people's lives.

Okay um question start i'm counseling or a shake or head.

yeah so um yeah my my concern is you know nash road is a good road to be traveling on it's so straight and narrow there is river parkway you can go that way there's was it west and then san benito street is that where it is west street um but um my question is like how So emergency services need to use Nash Road. Let's say school is out and there's a fire and minutes matter. Literally the first we were talking about the first four minutes or something is like the most important time for a fire and we need to get there. Do other communities have some kind of a solution like this that use simila

If I can just remind you that that part is not really what's changing. It's just really the changes, just whether it's our property or their property. Because right now, that is what happens. Right now, it's shut off during school time and events. When there isn't school time or no events, then it's open. That So that part of it is not going to change. Yeah. But I think in terms of, like, the questions about numbers, and I mean, that's speaking again to council member Morales is, I think, comment about not having the data that she requested. So anyway, so just wanted to make sure that you kind

Yeah, so I guess my other question is, so that road would become part of the high school district, right? So... Do we have any assurances that they would not build like a building or put a portable on that road? Do we have any kind of assurance that, you know, it's not going to be like... No, we don't.

But effectively, we reduce the likelihood of litigation down to zero and whatever the costs that we would occur on that front. And then we get $20,000.

Okay, are you done? Okay, I'm going to come back to you. I'll come back to you. Yeah, just get your thoughts together. Dr. Bracendas, I think I saw your hand. And then I will come back to you if you have more questions.

yeah so i know we're gonna hear from the public and i think the uh representative for the high school's here too but i was never a part of this conversation the last time this council discussed it i'll just be honest with you guys but i have been over the years that i've been here and i think councilmember morales was here as well um so yeah let him litigate ted obama wants to go into another lawsuit with us fine But I was there in those meetings with the community members. We worked this out with FIRE. We worked this out with the PD. This is a bad idea for you guys to do. I'm telling you righ

Okay, thank you. I see any thoughts. Okay. Okay, go ahead, Jeff.

Okay. Okay. Okay. So let me go to public comment. Do we have any speakers on this item?

Thank you, Mr. Machado. Appreciate the history. I think that's important that we don't forget about those things. Next here.

Okay. Thank you, Ms. Lutz. Next speaker.

Thank you, Ms. Van Korten. Other speakers? Okay, so I'll bring it back to the dais. Go ahead, Council Member Morales.

No, thank you, I definitely appreciate and and respect the school districts. And I actually you know I can't imagine anyone not caring about our youth and their safety, I just want to give you some general statistics at least from my district, so that you are at least our Community can understand my perspective in my district and district three. I have 53% of my Community members that are over the age of 45. 45 to over 65 and 23.2% of my residents are over the age of 65. To me, that is just because of life. A high risk area for the need for ambulance police and we know fire also so paramedic s

Okay. Thank you, council member. Other questions or comments? Go ahead, Dr. Resendez.

Thank you, Mayor. And thank you, Council Member Morales. She's spot on with all of her comments today. She's been here the longest out of everybody, aside from myself. I'm telling you guys now. First off, thank you to the school staff that came out here. We really do appreciate you spending your time coming out here and sharing your perspective. And then, Ms. Debra, I've been to your door before I've spoken to you. I'm assuming this is not why you were here tonight, but I just appreciate you speaking on this because I do represent the West Side. And I do represent that neighborhood. I live in

Okay. Are there other thoughts, questions? Do you have a... Go ahead, Grace Mayer.

Yeah, thank you for... I was going to say San Benito High Staff, but Hollister High Staff for coming out and expressing your perspective. I appreciate it. This one I've been really torn with simply because I did go to high school here and we had campos. I felt safe. That's just my biased opinion at the time, but I understand since then we've grown a lot and there is a lot more through traffic, I appreciate Mr. Machado too, that he brought up the history and the potential of having that overpass. To me, that makes so much sense. And had that gone through, it would already be there and we wouldn

OK, go ahead, Councilman. Appreciate it.

I, yeah, people, I don't know if people really realize, you know, usually when you come up here, I'm personally me, I'm about 70% of the way kind of made up. And then it's the other 30% is these conversations that we have. And I'm that 30% counts for a lot. So I thought I had my mind made up, but kind of myself kind of hemming and hawing over what like thirsting for more information on other municipalities and how these clickers work. Because in a perfect world, when first responders got to get through and somebody's having a major medical emergency, I'd like them to be 100%, right? I wouldn't

Okay. Thanks for that. So I'll just say that the majority of the people that I heard from before and after, and by the way, as I mentioned earlier, our two boys went to school there, and right around the time that they put the gates in, because the new part of the school had been built, was when one of our boys was leaving and the other one was just starting. So I was really worried, and I was always really concerned, and I heard from parents that... they're really worried about their children. It is unfortunate that it appears that we have two different communities almost at odds in terms of

I mean, I'm going to be a no, but I certainly will support. I think it's Council Member Morales wants the data. So I certainly support that.

A brief continuance on that. A vice mayor. Okay. And then Council Member Morales? Yes.

I would like to see the data, and here's why. We have one that didn't know that this was on the agenda, right? Again, I have 53% of my residents are older. If anything, I'd like to, when I make a decision to make sure that they understand, we looked at the data, right? Seven hits to a fence versus, you know, we already know one community member waited 20 minutes that could have been reduced potentially, right?

In order for us, I feel, to make a sound decision about something so important that has an impact on people's lives and their ability to live and function healthily, healthy. I need to see the data.

You need to see the data. Council Member Pichet.

I agree. I'd like to see more information.

Okay. So, okay. So, Council Member Morales did ask for it. I mean, I would hope that when we make a request that we are able to get that information to us when we need it. So, a city manager... how long do you think it would be before we could get that data? And I don't know if that was data that the city was going to produce or was it the high school or was it a combination of both? And then if it's whatever it is, how much time do you think we would need? Because I think I think we would all feel more comfortable making this decision with all the information as well as an opportunity for the

Do you want to come to the podium really quick? Sure. And the only reason I want you to not to give any more comments, please, sir, because I don't want to give you more time that I didn't give to others. Just simply to address the question about when can you have the data ready? When do you think that the high school might be able to? Maybe you aren't able to answer, but just let us know what your thoughts are.

Okay, but we're talking about mid-October. Can you do that? Mid-October. Okay, mid-October. So that would be the second meeting, the third Monday in October is the one that we're targeting that. okay sounds good thank you so much okay so we're going to continue it until then and then at that time we will um we will take action on this item okay okay thank you all for that i appreciate it and we're gonna go ahead and move on to the next item on our agenda uh discussion regarding animal services operation police oversight and public perception um staff report please

Sure. Okay. Thank you, City Manager. Questions, comments? All right, Dr. Resendez.

Thank you. So thank you for putting this on the agenda. I really appreciate that's important. I didn't know it was on there, but I did hear from a community quite a bit about this. So I really appreciate you providing the space for us to talk about it. And then just on a personal note, the very first thing when I got elected to office was this. It was... And I was surprised because I wasn't really aware of the passion and the community that was around animals. But the very first thing that I got approached and sat down about and I was educated on was animals. the rights of animals. And I don't

comments um go ahead so i'm trying to listen and read at the same time um because i don't know if there are any are there any links there's no attachments on this one so oh not the next l3 so there were let me just

kind of outlay what i understand and let me know if i'm right so we had a couple of dogs right loving animals everybody loves our dogs and just let me just before you move on that is not the item on today so then i just want to just caution you about speaking about any particular that is just a letter from a concerned citizen the item is simply about our current animal services program and services that we provide to the public in general. And it's the beginning of a discussion in terms of how we can improve those services. It's actually not the beginning. We started this a couple of meetings

Oh, okay. So I guess in light of that, my question is how long are animals in our facility? How long are animals in our care? I've toured the facility. The quality of care seemed to me was more than adequate. It seems like almost a happy place for animals to be, but I don't know. I'd be wrong. My question is like, how long are they in our care? And the job is, of you know animal you know services is to rehome a lot of these animals like he's rehoming not one of the major concerns

Okay. So yeah, what are the goals and, you know, what is rehoming animals fitting? Cause I'm just a lay person. I feel like rehoming is kind of one of the bigger things.

I appreciate that. I think a recap would be great. And also, are you able to answer today the questions from council member? Yeah.

Okay, are you able to answer questions? Yes. Okay, and will you be answering Councilmember Hachet's questions about when and under what circumstances are the animals euthanized? And I can't remember what your other question is, and then other questions from the dais.

Yeah, how long does it take us to rehome animals? And what are the primary goals of the facility?

Yeah, I mean, are we linked up with any other shelters as far as, like, what – are there forms? I don't know. Like, are there forms that people can fill out? Like, I'm looking for this type of dog. I prefer Frenchies or poodles. Are there, like, databases that we can tap into that can help rehome? I don't know what – I guess my question should be what – avenues or what options are we utilizing in order to find good homes for these dogs or animals?

I mean, one of the biggest things I hear is that law enforcement should not be overseeing animal control. So I'm just wondering, what does it look like with other regions? Is that something common, not common? Can you just explain to us? what that model is versus what's the, I don't know.

But it does sound like, Chief, if I can, that there is a world where you can have animal, quote unquote, experts or people very passionate. Law enforcement is still going to collaborate with them and work with them. It doesn't necessarily mean that law enforcement has to oversee them. And I've seen you guys, like there was a fire at my house and I've seen you getting the animals, putting them behind the truck. I've seen the cops do that. So essentially, I'm thinking there could be a world where there's

And just in... Full transparency. I don't remember who went with me, but I was on the Animal Ad Hoc Control Committee when I first got here. I toured the Santa Cruz Animal Shelter, JP. This was under Westrick years ago. So there's options. There's different models. And I don't remember if some of the committee members are here were involved in that when I went. I can't remember. It was so long ago. But there are different models. I think law enforcement is always going to have an important role. But I'd like to just hear from everybody about. how we can provide the best services for our commun

Okay. Do you have any questions or comments?

Okay, go ahead, Vice Mayor, then I'll...

Thank you. Yeah. Just one question. Uh, so what techniques or is there any training on how to handle, um, animals that are in distress? I've been to the shelter and yes, it's clean. It's pleasant. Um, however it feel, I would imagine it feels like jail, like, so, um, um, What do you and I would imagine and I've heard that, you know, there are animals there that are in distress and that stresses me out because it just it breaks my heart because they literally have no idea what's going on. So who's there? How do you guys provide that care that compassionate care for the animals when they are in

Okay, yeah, thank you for that. And I just, I have a few questions myself. And by the way, just as a reminder to the public and others that are here, that Mayor, Vice Mayor DeAnda and myself were Animal Services Ad Hoc Committee. And then that was a year. And then we remained involved in that and have met and are in frequent contact with many of our community members related to animal services. services and concerns that they have. So can you just go back to a couple of questions, I mean, a couple of comments. So specifically about the behavioral assessment. So are the behavioral assessments,

So the behavioral assessments that we conduct are strictly related to the dangerous dog assessments and those are conducted by the animal services officers.

An initial one as they come in. Okay, so there's that. And then when there's a concern, then what happens and I'm not okay, so let's separate the dangerous dogs. There's just other behavioral concerns, then what happens with those other dogs?

Yeah, if you separate those out, those assessments, you're doing the initial assessment, there's some duress that the dog is, or some behaviors of concern. And again, not the dangerous dog ones, but the other ones, then what possibly could happen with those to intervene with the concerns that have been identified?

That's not my question, though. It's not about the assessment itself. It's like once in that assessment, the conclusion was that there's something of concern, then what could happen?

Okay. Okay. I just wanted to clarify that just because I thought I'd miss her. I think I've misheard you. And so thank you for clarifying that. And the reason that I wanted to address that one particular point, because that is, uh, One of the issues that we've heard about is that we could do, we can do better in that. And certainly this means more resources. So I, so I appreciate your point about limited resources. However, this may be an area in which we can see some improvement. And by the way, if I can just on a personal note, we have, I have my dog at home, one of my dogs at home. uh incre

okay okay so thank you for that i just wanted to make sure that we were clear about that because that's an important distinction between that was just like 10 years ago so i just want to be clear and then finally i just wanted to check in with you about the volunteer program because um you said that the grand jury report uh praised it it was very clean all this and that it was a really it was a great program i have to be really honest with you i have heard like almost the complete opposite that it's an arduous application process. The background check is like it will happen or it doesn't happe

Can I just like give you like a different way to think about this? I don't think that it's necessarily a misconception in how the process is. It was their experience and I think it's really important that when we hear that from our community that that was their experience even though we know that we have a certain process. that we listen to their experience. Because I think what's on paper and the way the process works and what's currently the experience of the eight volunteers that we have now compared to others who had tried that and that their experience was the opposite. It's important for

Okay, great. Okay. Well, that's all I have for now. And then I'm going to see if there's any, go ahead, Council Member Morales.

No, thank you for the information. I think that the grand jury reports, from a historical sense, give us a better understanding of kind of where we are today. I'm wondering if, I mean, we're here for a reason, right? I think that our community is heartbroken and saddened with events. I know that we have a history, right? Like there were several significant abuse cases that your department took care of with success. Was there anything in the grand jury or other recommendations that have not been implemented that could better the organization that you know of right now that you'd be able to shar

It might be inappropriate so that you know city attorney, let me know was there anything that we could have done to. Because I think when when certain things happen, I think one there's a there's a level of shock right like this is happening and then could we have done anything about it. And then, of course, care not not wanting to talk about specific cases or anything, but do you feel that. Our. that the city, from a policy perspective, because that's our role here as city council members, from a policy perspective, can create or direct policy that could have impacted recent situations in a w

Okay, I think for anyone and any one of our residents, our residents really care deeply for not just their own animals, but animals in general. We know that it's a priority for our community. If there's anything I think that we can do from, again, I'm looking at it from in terms of our role from a policy perspective, we know historically that we have the grand jury as an oversight body that comes in and provides recommendations. We know that those have been addressed. We know that we need to do better in terms of our volunteer in that process. And it sounds like communication with our communit

Okay. That's all the questions I have. Thank you.

Thank you. So that's interesting to me. So we have in place policies that are more restrictive than what the state allows. Are we following the state policies?

Yeah. And just to talk about, not the elephant in the room, right? Let's be honest here. We can say whatever we want. We can talk about what happened. This is what happened recently. We have every right to speak about that if you choose to. But again, I think what we want to be careful about and We don't want to bash anybody. We've got to be very cautious to not walk that line. So I've got questions. I have questions about the most recent incident, obviously. I do want to hear from the public. And I do. I've got questions about our policies in place and whatnot. And just for full transparency.

And I wonder if I could just add. So I so, you know, like Vice Mayor and myself, we've been part of the ad hoc and we've been connected with dog owners, cat owners, as well as the community. We have this most recent. However, this is not what triggered this conversation by any means, by any stretch. This has been an ongoing conversation. It's just simply that this is the more recent case in which there's a lot of public concern that has been raised. However, it's been something that's been ongoing. But I do think that there are areas where we can improve. This is an example, but I have a very

Sure. I mean, that's one way, right, to be transparent, but I think there's other ways as well, but sure.

I think finding examples like that of how we can be more transparent, that's one example. Maybe there's others. If that is not possible because there's a legal, maybe there's some privacy rules around it, but also there's other ways in which we can be transparent, but I think that's just something for us to kind of think about more. Okay, well, thank you for that. Well, with that, I'm going to go ahead and go to public comment, and then we can come back and continue this discussion. How many speakers do we have on this? OK. Let's go ahead. Can you say who the first speaker is?

Okay, just to clarify, Ms. Sears, so there are negotiations. So the contract is not over, it's negotiations happening. And that's often what happens in an RFP process. So just to clarify that. Okay, next speaker.

Yeah. And I and just to your point, I specifically said that, that it was because of the staff and how they cared for him that he was okay. Yeah, exactly what you said. Next speaker, please.

Wait, wait, no, Natalie, Dave, please. Okay, yeah, please wait for your, yeah, please wait for your name to be called. We'll call you, yeah, Ms. Dave's next and then you'll be next.

Thank you, Ms. J. Now it's your, okay, I'm going to ask that audience, please not, we're going to just continue. Go ahead, you're next, yeah.

Double, okay. Except for we have 13 speakers. So I think we'll stick with the three. And if she needs a little bit more time, I'll allow one more time. Okay, go ahead. Go ahead. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, because we can't hear you. We want to make sure that we hear every word. And we're going to start the time all over for you. But I'd like for you to speak it. Yeah.

If you need a little bit more time, go ahead.

Thank you for your thoughts and your ideas. I think they were great. And thank you. Yeah. Keep coming and talking to us. Appreciate it. Okay. Next speaker.

Thank you. Thank you, Ms. Pearson. I appreciate it. Okay. I'm going to ask the audience to not do that. Thank you so much. Next speaker.

Thank you, Mr. Doherty. The next speaker.

Okay, thank you, Ms. Williams. Your three minutes are up. I apologize. You can reach out to anybody or come back to another meeting to finish your comment, but we're going to move on to the next speaker.

Not from here, but you can certainly ask, and then we can relate them. Okay, go ahead, Mr. Pierce.

okay can you yeah okay and i'm not i cannot can you stop the clock please i cannot hear comments from the from the chambers please let the speaker speak his mind can you just add a few um a little bit more to his time and mr pearson you can continue thank you so that kind of plays into the next thing that captain patty said about the transparency and we put the dangerous dog hearings up on the web

Thank you, Mr. Pearson. Do you have any more speakers or was that the last one?

Okay, all in favor? Aye. Okay, we're going to wrap this item up and go to the next items as quickly as we can. Okay, so the item was on the agenda as an opportunity for us to have discussion and to hear more from the public. about what we wanna do and then just remember that we're looking at the services as well as some oversight. And so we wanna give some direction for staff to follow up on and then we will continue to be addressing these issues. So I'd like to just hear from whoever has any ideas or any thoughts about how we wanna direct staff to move forward on this. on this one item, and t

Thank you. Thank you for everybody for staying this late. Thank you for everybody coming out here. I have a question for the ad hoc committee members. When you have these meetings, I've been to one or two, do we typically have the volunteers from the animal shelter there, or is it just the community partners that we have?

We've had a combination of different people there, and the volunteers, I believe, some volunteers were at our last forum that we had at the community center.

Okay. Interesting. Okay. Again, thank you guys for your service. Thank you for coming tonight. Thank you for everything that you do for our community partners. Thank you to our law enforcement officers, our animal control. But I do want to get to the point. And I think what Councilmember Morales was talking about earlier, it does need to be answered. And what the Pearsons are bringing up, we do need, we have an obligation to look into that. We have an obligation to scrutinize that. So this is my understanding, but I do want to get support from my colleagues on this. My understanding is that re

We can't do that anymore. This has been this. It was that 300,000 years ago. We can't keep doing this. So I see chief coming up here. Maybe he wants to speak to the Helen Ross Fund. I'm assuming we need to get the money.

Here's what I'll tell you. There's been lots of things. They said they were going to buy a facility where we're going to build a facility. It doesn't matter at this point. We've got the money. Let's continue with SNP bus. Let's get this lady a good contract that's doing this for us. And then let's look at a different model to partner with our police officers. And then we need to check our internal systems to make sure that they're legal and legitimate. Mr. Chief, if you wanted to speak to any of that.

And I just like to what you spoke to. We are in negotiations with Dr. Nadine. So we cannot offer snippets. So let's finish that negotiation and based on the result of that, then we can move on if for whatever reason it's unsuccessful. So we're talking to Dr. Nadine. We're in negotiation. That is ongoing. We'll continue that process. But I just wanted to clarify that.

My two main points is I want an internal negotiation audit of our processes. I want to scrutinize our internal process regarding what happened to Bub and Stewie. I want to do that. We have an obligation to do that. Second one is I want to look at a JPA. Third one is where's the Helen Ross money? That's it. And why hasn't it been spent? And we have the power to allocate those funds.

I'm going to have to ask people in the chambers to please not shout out. We're going to have people at the podium speak, and then please don't shout out from the chambers. Thank you. Go ahead, Chief.

And I do remember everything you're talking about. Here's my challenge to you and to the community members to please remind me because I'm getting older and I'm forgetting to. I want to see that money spent before I leave this dais. That's it. Okay. Okay.

Okay. Advice, Mayor. Thoughts about direction. Okay. Councilor Morales, thoughts?

So I think while I appreciate the thoughts, I also want to hear, I would like more information from the animal ad hoc. You've been working on all animal issues for, I want to say, a couple of years now.

And hearing not only community members' concerns with volunteers, and also working with staff, touring, and understanding. I think having more in-depth than I think most of us, just because of your research and dedication to the issue, I think the situation that helped kind of move this hearing to where we are today, I think that is out of our control. The court made a decision about the outcome. What's within our purview, I think, There's a couple of things. So one, I personally would like to see more communication. It sounds like not just... So a couple of things. One, I want to look to see

Okay, thank you for that. Council Member Bichet, thoughts?

um well um obviously we need to listen to the civil grand jury and it sounds like you know there are some things that we learned in 2016 and we've made some improvements so let's continue to make those forward progresses um you know some some communities that are similar to ours have figured some of these things out And mirroring some of the things that they've found have been best practices, we can find solutions there as to how to run our shelters. And finding, you know, and utilizing rehoming techniques that'll work. And, you know, clearly we have to review our euthanasia policy. and how th

Sure. OK. Thank you. Thank you, Council Member Bichet. Vice Mayor?

Yeah, thank you. I just want to be clear. It's no longer an animal ad hoc committee. So I just want to be clear that expired. So, so we open it up, you know, to community members and everybody to join us for town halls. So, which was our last one was pretty impactful. So, I'm going to speak on a broader sense because this is such an emotional topic, especially when it comes to animals. That's where people's emotions go into overdrive, right? We're passionate. We love them. They're pure love. And there's just something being around them, right? That brings us that comfort. And to have that take

Okay, thank you, Vice Mayor. Okay, so here's my thoughts. First of all, my heart's go out to the Pearsons. I thank you so much for being in close contact with us throughout your process and being so vulnerable and sharing your story. I know it was not easy. Our animals are parts of our family, and I just feel... I just feel for you. So thank you so much for your comments up here and for coming to our meetings and speaking from your heart about your experience and allowing us to learn from your experience, hopefully to be able to improve our services. So part of what came up tonight are themes

We want some exploration into the dangerous dog protocol, did we follow, and then areas to improve that. Explore other options like JPA and what other communities are doing. Some kind of plan for the Helen Ross. The idea of a commission or advisory board, how does that?

I mean, I think ideas about what, because there are limits to how we can use that fund, right? So I think we can't just like open like whatever, you know, wishlist, you know, pie in the sky. It needs to be based in reality. So I think that's where that would come from. Like what are those, what can we do with that? And then certainly the policy is going to come from us.

Okay. Yeah. Okay, great. Thank you for clarifying that. Yeah, yeah. And I should have, yeah, used my words better. But that is... Thank you. Thank you for that clarification. And then also, I think that's the last one in terms of separating the care from law enforcement roles. I think that this kind of goes with the GPA and what other communities are doing, because I think they're the same. They're basically the same thing. It's just really about looking at all the options that are available. Okay, all right, does that work? And then any, everybody okay with that? Thumbs up or do you have any

So right now we're just exploring, right?

Exploring, we're not making any decisions.

Information back. I think my only concern is that there needs to be enough, if and when it comes back, we need to have few agenda items because this is a topic that our community's very interested and there's gonna be a lot of speakers.

Okay, we'll try to plan. We can also call a special on this if we need to.

Sure. I think that's a good idea. Fine. And then, Dr. Resendez, so we can like... Real quick.

What I don't want to happen, and I don't think this is your style at all, Ms. Cortez. I don't want this to be listed as an agenda item for discussion. People come out here and they're heard. Then we get nothing out of it. You know what I mean? I just don't want it to fall on deaf ears. Like, let's go. I've been hearing the same thing from the same people for almost 10 years. That's it. And I'm going to... be here and I'm hoping that they'll hold me accountable, that the police will also work with me so that we can get something done before I leave this seat. That's all. I don't want it to fall

Yeah. Okay. Okay, good. Okay, thank you. Then we're going to close that. So that's how we're going to end. And then we will be bringing this back for sure. And just as an FYI, the ordinance discussion will be coming back, I believe, sooner. I don't know what the date is, but we should be hearing that one first. And then we'll get a study session or something else specific to this. okay thank you all for your time and for your patience and we are going to take a quick break and then we'll come back for the next items okay take five minutes five minutes thank you

As long as you do it within five days, you can do it. Okay. Okay, we're going to get back in. We're going to keep moving forward. And thank you, especially to the public, for your patience. We have a very long agenda, but a lot of important things to discuss. So we're going to go to 9-2, a resolution authorizing the city manager or their designee to apply for and execute a financial assistance agreement with the State Water Resources Control Board for the Voluntary Water Services Upgrade Project. And so I'm gonna ask for a staff report.

Just so we have the presentation up. So I don't know if you're on a specific slide, if you want to just. Yeah, we're on page seven. So slide seven.

Okay, thank you for that presentation and questions. Okay, go ahead, Dr. Resendez.

Thank you real quick. So thank you guys for being here. Obviously, you're not the state though. You guys are an organization or you are the state? Thank you for being here. Yes. Are you guys going to pay for the infrastructure? Okay, then let's go. I think that's been our biggest gripe.

Questions? Questions, comments? Go ahead, Council Member Morales.

That was mine. First of all, thank you so much for being here. We appreciate the partnership. Yeah, that was exactly my question. So the City of Polis is going to pay zero?

So I guess my question is, do we have the funds to be able to pay to get reimbursed?

yeah I see right here writing all the costs associated with this project will be reimbursed by the is it safe water resource control board is this the state water resource having what is the sw our CB.

Okay. Great. Okay. I mean, I think ultimately when we had this discussion before, that was what we wanted to be. We wanted to be crystal clear that there was like a, like very clear, specific guaranteed language in the agreement that said that we would not pay for this. I mean, we, We know this is a needed project for the Valenzuela property. So we know that's important. We know they need the safe water. We want them to have it and we can't afford it. So that was the most important thing was that we were sure that we weren't going to be obligated to pay for it because we simply do not have the

We couldn't do it. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So that's the most important thing. Okay. So I'm going to take a pause here, check to see if we have public comment. Any public comment on this one?

First of all, thank you so much for your patience and for waiting here. This is unfortunately, for you and for the state folks, the longest meeting that we've had in a very long time. So I have to apologize. But thank you for your patience.

Thank you, Mr. Costa. Okay, thank you for that. Okay, so I'm bringing it back to the dais for any other questions, comments, or for an action.

I'm ready to move to adopt Mayor Stevens.

Any questions or comments on this side? Okay, so is that a motion from you? Okay, so I need a second. Second. Okay, all in favor? Aye. Any opposed? No. Okay, thank you. That was short and sweet. Thank you to the state folks. Thank you to Mr. Costa. Thank you for everyone who was here patiently waiting for this item. So we're going to move on to the next item, 9.3, a resolution designating a voting delegate and up to two alternate voting delegates for the League of California Cities General Assembly and authorizing travel for the delegates. Staff report, please.

Okay, thank you for that. And then this is the conference that occurs on January. Is that right? It's about two weeks. Okay. Okay. So thoughts? Comments? Go ahead, council member.

Dolores has been our person. I'm just going to, and I'm assuming she's already ready to go. So I'm going to, she's been our delegate. I say, Dolores, you and I are not going to be here. So the other two delegates have to be the vice mayor and Council Member Boucher. So let's make that easy.

We'll be here, but I'm not going. No, no, no, no, no.

I'm sorry. Because this is like a one-year term or something. And Dolores has been doing it. So that would be my suggestion. Okay. I'm too lazy.

I'd like to attend. I'm planning to attend. Hopefully, if this passes, and happy to represent the city when we vote.

OK. Thank you. Professor, thoughts, questions?

Yeah, I'm open to attending. Yes. I think it'd be really good. Yeah.

Okay. Let's go to public comment. Any public comments?

So there's a first and a second, I think, already. We just need to get a vote.

No, I don't think we did a formal. Okay, did we? No.

To be the delegate. And then the alternates, just for this item, the alternates voting delegates will be Vice Mayor DeAnda and Council Member Boucher. That's just for this item. That doesn't mean they're going anywhere. That's a different story. Right? Okay.

So it did actually... Well, we could do that and then the travel separate, I'm assuming, right? We could do a separate... Okay. No, it's in there.

If it's in there, I voted for it. It's in there. Yeah. I'm sorry. Yeah. Okay.

and so we will be making arrangements for councilwoman morales and for the vice mayor okay and let me check with our attorney because the motion should we just amend you can do a second motion just for the chat okay can you just do that thank you let's just be clean

Okay, can I just say something really quick? Sorry.

Thank you. I thought we were just voting for delegate and then for the alternates like we've done before. So yeah, Dolores usually goes if she wants to go. If you want to go, you're able to go. I don't know. I guess that's what we're voting on now. So are you willing to go? Yeah, I'm definitely willing to go. You got to check schedule. Yeah, we can put that in the motion. Okay. I'm not going. Are you going? Okay. So then I make a motion that we appoint Council Member Morales as the delegate and the two alternates, Vice Mayor Pache, sorry, Vice Mayor DeAnda, Council Member Pache, and that we al

All in favor. Aye. Any opposed? OK. OK. So now we have those two issues covered for that one item. And then we're going to move on to, I think we're at reports now. Let me see where I'm at now.

Okay, so we're going to do committee assignment reports, so let me check on this side of the room. Dr. Resendez? No? Vice Mayor? You have any committees? Wait, hold on. No. No? OK. Council Member Morales?

We had integrated waste management tonight that I missed because we're here. But we are in the process of negotiating for a contract. I think our city staff is sitting in on those, probably an intent to award. 3CE is going to have their retreat next week for two days, so I'll be attending that. Looking forward to that. We did approve a letter. There's a lot of legislation in regards to just energy. A letter is attached for your reference. And just a friendly reminder that I'm no longer part of the senior council, and we do need a representative. I know that's really important. Unfortunately, t

Yeah, it's been an ongoing issue. We just can't find anybody that can fit it. But anyway, go ahead.

Well, I'm the alternate. So now that I'm made aware of that, I'll step in.

Okay, great. Okay, so... Problem solved? Okay, okay. So yeah, so then just, okay, so then we'll be eager to hear from you at a later date. Okay, anything else? Council Member Pichet, you're on.

Yeah, I'll make it quick. So I think it was last Thursday. I can't remember what day. It was like the 6th. I went to the San Benito County Business Council meeting hosted by Bob Tiffany, who was always great. Assembly Speaker of the House Robert Revis was there, and I recommend going on the website and viewing it because... One of the major hurdles, roadblocks, if you will, no pun intended to the 25 expansion, the vehicle miles traveled. Speaker Revis effectively lifted that. So that is not something that we're going to be concerned about. Yeah, it was major, major development. So, yeah, I rec

OK. OK, great. So I have two things to report on. First, we had a tourism and advisory committee. And part of that. the entire meeting i should say was really about furthering our discussion around signs um and monuments and and i'm using the word monuments but it's it's it's basically like large structures that are kind of like markers um that would um show when you're entering into a space and the main thing that we want to do is to draw attention to san benito county and in that Hollister as well, so that we get more visitors here. So we had a big discussion about that, and what we are tryi

we'll forgive you okay okay so uh because of the late hour we are going to continue the closed session items to a special that we have already on our calendar for tomorrow so those items are going to be moved to that because we are already at 11 o'clock at night yeah and i'll just add for the record that they'll be held over items pursuant to government code section 54954.2 b as in boy three okay thank you all right so meeting adjourned thank you all for your patience