Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

Chair, may I ask, it appears that you had prepared remarks that you read from. Could you send that into the city so that they could be put into the record? I'd be happy to. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. Okay, seeing as there is no other public communication at the moment, Mr. Clerk? I will close public communication. All right. We will now move on to our consent items of the evening. And on our agenda tonight is the approval of the draft minutes from our June 24th, 2026 Planning Commission meeting, not to be confused with last week's meeting. These are just our minutes from last month's June 24th meeting. Commissioners, are there any questions, corrections, or requests on our consent calendar or on our minutes from last meeting? Seeing as there are none, okay. I'll entertain a moti

Second. Thank you. We have a motion from Commissioner Comden and a second from Commissioner Abbey.

Thank you. All right, next on our agenda is our public hearing items. We'll start with item number two, our Ventura, City of Ventura's pro-housing designation application. The city is seeking designation through the California Department of Housing and Community Development. The designation recognizes jurisdictions that take action to accelerate housing production remove barriers to development and implement housing supportive policies. The action before the Commission tonight is to review the draft application and consider a resolution recommending that the City Council authorize staff to sub

Thank you. Staff really appreciate the presentation and overview. Thank you to my commissioners for utilizing our technology here. And I will open it up for questions now. And we will start with Commissioner Abbey.

Thank you, Chair Boussa. Thank you, staff, for the presentation. So there's a lot of upsides to the pro-housing designation, so that's good to see. My first question though is, does it require anything more of us other than simply applying? Does the pro-housing designation application require us to promise more than what we have already promised in the housing element or any other commitments we've made as a city?

Okay. And you did make the comment in your presentation that the deliverables of this are identical to those already identified in the city's certified housing element.

I did have a question because I was trying to go through the different items and it wasn't clear. I did put in a call this afternoon, middle of this afternoon. And so there was on page, well, there was item nine, there was something about item 2M. And is that something we can put on the screen?

Okay, so that's not something, okay, I just wanted to confirm that, so that's helpful. I'll stop right there, thank you.

Thank you, Chair Boussa, and thanks for the presentation, staff, I appreciate it. Can we bring up the application again? Page 20, please.

Yeah. So yeah, that's it. OK. So a question here. So the columns here, we don't see it on this view. The third column from the left is key milestones and milestone dates. The fourth column from the left is anticipated completion date. And let's take item number 14.1.1 in the middle column. In the key milestones for the Pacific View Mall, It says by 2026, establish development standards, et cetera. For that same item, 14.1.1, in the next column over, the anticipated completion date is December 31st, 2029. Should I read anything into, and this is kind of common throughout the application. I noti

Okay, so you don't anticipate HCD taking a look at this document and saying, well, they didn't meet their commitments in 2026, what confidence do I have that they're gonna make it in 2029? That's not any kind of issue you read into it?

OK, thank you. One more question for right now. If you could scroll down a couple of pages to item number 14.6. I think one more page down. 14.6, continue all Ventura water programs and new projects such as Water Pure and the State Water Connection Project to ensure adequate water supply, et cetera. So this is a key milestone and what I read into this, my own personal read is very interesting. To me this is the first time I've seen in writing where the city is actually committing to the state to complete our water projects. Those two in particular, Ventura Water Pure and the State Water Interc

Okay, thanks. I must have just missed that portion in the housing element. Sorry about that. That's all the questions I have for now. I'll have a couple of comments later if you could keep the application handy.

Thank you, Commissioner McCarty. Commissioner Lagerquist.

Thank you, Chair. And thank you, staff, for the presentation. Just a couple quick questions. So I'm curious with this, does the city already have a grant, like, in mind? Or a couple grants? Or...

So when you flashed up the list of jurisdictions that already are certified, I was like, whoa. So I mean, and this isn't really a question specific to the city, except how's the state gonna deal with that? I mean, are they prepared to be able to fund all of this? And are we too late to the party or how do we feel about that?

they really want to see the jurisdictions come in set some goals and move forward towards meeting the housing element objectives so that makes sense okay that that definitely makes more sense um so you said that the deliverables are where they're already all in place we completely are there any extra requirements

That's all my questions for now. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you, Commissioner. Law requests. I did have Assistant Director Clancy pop up. Is that not a? Nope. Thank you. He's disregarded. It was a response to Ms. West's request. Thank you. All right. Moving on. Commissioner Comden.

Thank you, Chair. So there needs to be a minimum of 30 points. Do we presently have 75 or this would put us in position to have 75?

So we are well over the 30 points and then I thought I heard you say it doesn't matter how many points above 30 you have there's no prioritization for the number of points that is correct whether we have the full 150 or 31 points there isn't any prioritization once we've met over the 30 points, so if we've already met the requirement and Why are we doing this exercise?

Thank you So what? What are the amounts of these grants? minimum and maximum or an average or a median of

There was a lot packed into that sentence. What I got from it was that the two examples you gave could be awards of $500,000 to $2 million per jurisdiction, which is not inconsequential. The money. Does it go to the city and does it stay within the city? I noticed some of the examples written to defer impact costs for 55 years for a development. Is that how it is used? It is used as a component to help a developer achieve the mission of completing a project?

Right. So I know the request is for feedback and this is... couched as a positive thing. Are there any negative repercussions by going down this path? Objectively.

okay any uh before I have a few questions most of my questions were answered so thank you commissioners for for uh already answering some of those I get for my edification one of the things you mentioned was that our application is a mirror of our housing element in that list of 75 of those who already are there any but are there are there applications that extend beyond their current housing element is that a thing that is seen through this process I'm just curious

So as we go through, we designate through the application. This is straight from our housing element. This is straight from our housing element. Are there any applications that include things for other of those? I was just curious. I'd go beyond that.

Thank you. Those are my questions. Any other questions from the Commission? Okay. Thank you. Pardon?

Oh, Commissioner McCarty. Actually, so I'm back to, like, no questions, but recommendations for the document itself?

Deliberation? So we're in the public hearing, so now I would need to close questions and then open for questions. for public comment so we can wait for a deliberation and we can get back to that perfect okay all right and now I will open up the hearing for any public comment mr. clerk are there any thank you chair we do have one public comment on this item Karen Falk you'll have three minutes welcome

Thank you, Ms. Flock. Any other public speakers at the moment? Thank you.

Excuse me, sir. Please direct your call.

Thank you. Thank you. Sir, and thank you for your comments and thank you. for all comments here this evening from our public. We have established rules for public comment which allow an opportunity to address the council and our commission in a lawful manner. And currently those were not being adhered Those comments need to be addressed to the commission, not to folks in the audience. That is why I advise you to speak your comments to the commission and not to anybody in the audience. That was. You had directed your comments, sir, to the public and to a former speaker who had just spoken on th

It is now not the time. You have had your time to speak, sir. If you're going to continue to disrupt this meeting, you will be escorted out of here.

Mr. Clerk, are there any other speakers on tonight's item? I apologize.

Okay. With that, I'm going to close the public hearing and bring it back to the Commission for deliberation. Commissioners, if you would like, I would ask you to use our... Yes, Commissioner Bacardi.

Thank you. And thank you for taking charge of the situation that just occurred. So with regard to feedback for the application, a couple of things, editorial, typographical kind of things. On page four, the application information lists the authorized representative and her email as Rachel Diamond. So that will need to be changed.

Could you go back to my favorite page, page 20 of the application?

Okay, so I have reviewed and edited way too many documents in my lifetime. And I want to talk about how this document is aligned typographically. In the two right-hand columns where we see text, the two rightmost columns where we see text, that text is center justified. I don't have an issue with that. There's also left justification, right justification, and full justification. You can see in the left hand column, the left hand column is what's called fully justified. And if you can blow it up a little bit, you can see how irritating that kind of justification is at the bottom of that left ha

Thank you for that clarification. I appreciate that. And thank you, Mr. Clerk, for providing that guidance as you did. I appreciate that.

I have a quick follow-up question to that answer. So do we have any capability in this room to turn off the microphones remotely?

Okay, okay. Yeah, about 20 seconds into the situation, he did. Okay, thank you, thank you.

All right, thank you. Thank you for that clarification, appreciate that. We're gonna turn it back to deliberation and to the commissioners and Commissioner Winninger.

Thank you. I've been silent up to now. I did not have any questions. I think the report was very clear and concise. We have a robust housing element. I think it's probably one of the best housing elements that I've ever seen. So having this pro-housing designation does not seem, this seems great. I mean, it kind of, they have you by the handcuffs to do this pro-housing designation if you want a grant, and of course we want those housing, and of course we want the homeless housing grants, so that seems like a no-brainer to me. I really don't have anything to add. I have a couple of, the only ni

Thank you, Chair. With that, I would like to move that we approve the draft pro-housing designation application.

All right. We have a motion and a second. A motion from Commissioner Comden, a second from Commissioner Lagerquist. Mr. Clerk.

Thank you. Thank you. All right, we will now move on to our next item of the evening. And let's just make sure I'm aligned with the agenda, because that has happened to me before in the past. We'll move on to item number three, project 250914, Loretta Quartz Apartments. And this is a request for a major design review for 19-unit multifamily resident project, along with three warrants and one exception under the downtown specific plan. And before we begin, I would ask if there is any ex parte from the commissioner or if there's any need for anyone to recuse themselves from this item for the eve

Excellent. Thank you so much, Ms. Farrelly. All right. Seeing as the applicant is here with no presentation, we will move on to questions from the commissioner, and I have Commissioner Comden up first.

Thank you, Chair, and thank you for the presentation. Do you know what the slope of the property is? It tends to slope down towards the alley.

All right. If they can, we'll wait because they're probably going to be called up for other things. Who makes the decision or makes the offering of which units are chosen for the low and very low income? I notice there's one studio and two one bedrooms, which indicates to me Not a family, no family units typically are offered on this offering for low or very low. So who makes that decision? Is it the developer, the owner comes to the city and says, this is our plan?

Okay, thank you. Regarding the warrants, 66 foot wide property lines versus 75, which is needed. Can you give us some understanding of why 75 is a number? What is the magic of that number?

So let me ask the question slightly differently. A side court is an open space, kind of a community space for the residents. and maybe the 75, I don't know why, but is it true to say that on the south, the property of the south side is largely an office building with a parking lot and not residences? South side B.

That one's residential, the next one's commercial. Okay, it wouldn't hurt to pull that up.

So that two-story with the parking behind it is right next door, and that's residential?

A lot of space. Okay. Thank you. Tuck under parking replaces the enclosed. What's the thinking why enclosed parking is more desirable or required, and this warrant is asking for modification?

Thank you, Chair Boussa. Thanks for the good staff report. So part of the staff report, there's a paragraph on historic context. And this slide you have up is apropos. We see the project site. outlined in red. In the extreme lower right-hand portion of this image is the Ventura Center for Spiritual Living, which is a historical landmark. And just, I think, two lots over from the project site is the Rubicon Theater, which is, in my mind, a potential historical landmark. So in the staff paragraph on historic context, It says that this site is not located within a potential historical district. W

Okay. Thank you. That allays my concerns. that I cannot unilaterally make this a historic district myself.

Thank you Thank You Commissioner, we're gonna

Thank you, Chair. I didn't see on the, I was looking at the development standards and I did not see what the maximum potential build out of this is. There's 19 units being proposed, but what is the, what can they do? Is this the maximum or are they, is it more or less?

Okay. And are they, they're required to do 10% affordable housing and they're providing more or are they providing exactly what they need?

Okay. I think that's all my questions. Thank you.

Thank you. And thank you for asking those questions. Those were kind of along the lines. So what would have put this project under the density bonus law?

What was the property before? Why is it vacant?

Okay. And do you, I don't, maybe this might be, do you have a visual of the studio, the sizes of the, like the plan view of the different sizes of the apartments?

I'll look at them before I ask any further questions about that. Let's see. I think the rest of my questions are for the applicant. Thank you. The city person, also always known as Shanna Farley.

I know. Thank you, Commissioner Largois. Commissioner Comden.

Thank you, Chair. Two more questions. Parking, it looks to be that there's parking on Main Street as well as side streets. Do we know if that parking is available 24 hours or at least overnight?

Right, because there was one comment about parking and I want to be cognizant of it, but because state law has really come down, they're not required to do any more than they have, correct?

Yeah. The tuck under parking, Does that mean certain parking spaces will not be the full 20 feet? They'll be 15 feet. Is that what you were describing that five?

They will meet the normal size requirements okay, and the walls that will be built on those, yeah, with the greenery on top, the height of those walls at the parking area, do we know how tall those will be?

Okay, because I could see how a car starting in the morning might affect a neighbor if it's residential on both sides of this. Now, the one to the east or the south, depending upon how your compass looks, that looks like the parking is not going to affect those units because this parking will be in the rear. Those units are in front. I didn't get a close enough look on the one that's between the rubicon and this property to see where those apartments are situated but i'm cognizant of noise you know if somebody gets up at 5 30 in the morning and starts their car that's what the setback is proba

I see the same with the apartment this looks to be an illustration So there are there's like a garage and then cars and then a main structure home Correct. Yeah.

Thank you. My last question is do we know if this owner intends to build or are they going to Get entitlements and then try and sell the property. I

Commissioner Abbey. Thank you, Chair Boussa. Ms. Farley, I have some questions, some follow-ups. Can I have the diagram that shows the lot oriented north-south? The one that shows vicinity area. Oh, the larger map, okay. Not that one, the one that's oriented, that one's oriented differently.

Apologies. All right, that's north-south. Okay, thank you. Let's see, so my understanding is that there is supposed to be There's a five foot setback on the west side, but we're saying for parking, it can go down to less than five feet?

All right, and I see on this, the warrants and exceptions, and it's got pink and green, and so it says east, west, It says side yard, five feet minimum, west exception two to 3.75 inches.

Oh, I'm sorry. I'm reading that wrong. Two feet, three and a quarter inches. Okay, sorry. That's accurate, yeah. Again, on the east side, two feet, eight and... Does staff have any concern being that close to the fence for the neighbors next door?

Could you go back to that other picture that we had, the north and south? Now, right on the alley, right next to it, It does look like it, and I think there was a diagram. I don't need them to come up yet, but when they come up, if the applicants could talk about that, It looks like a residence right on the alley. Tell us what's actually there.

Okay What's the lot coverage allowed on these parcels?

So there's no lot coverage standard that I'm seeing here. The town doesn't have a lot coverage? The farm-based code down there? That's what I'm hearing from you, correct?

Okay. Let's see. I want to go back to side setback. So regardless if the building is one story, two story, or three story, that side setback on the west side, well, I guess on either side, is only five feet, correct?

Okay, so whether it's one, two, or three story, it is five feet? Wow, okay. See Okay, and I know it's in there but if you could help me with the parking how many required parking spaces under our code The applicant is saying eight and

So we have 19 units and we only require eight. There's nine being provided. That's according to our downtown specific plan. They only need like 50%.

Thank you, Commissioner Abbey. Commissioner Whitaker?

Sorry about that. You mentioned, Shanna, that there was storage provided, and I looked at the plans, and I didn't see any storage. Are they above the garage?

Okay. They're not having any over the... over the parking storage unit, storage shelves or anything?

Thank you again, Chair. I took a glance at Google Earth and I do see what had been thought of as a parking garage of some sort. That's clearly a residence on the alley, number 46. which is at the back of the lot adjacent on the west side. So if we go back, that would have been fine. Two more, go back. That building on the top left there is a residence and I'm looking at the picket fence and the house structure with steps up to it and windows now.

Yeah, that's okay. If you had the ability to go to Google Earth, they do go down Poinsettia Place alley, and so you can clearly see it's a house for the sake of accuracy. It says beware of dog.

Is the applicant aware of that unit being a habitable residential? Thank you.

There was a letter from the public. Thank you. There was a letter from the public that said that that was an especially narrow alleyway. They were concerned about having vehicles traveling there and it's too narrow and they were suggesting maybe it should be one way. So there were some issues according to this one letter writer and I was just wondering what is staff's opinion of that.

Thank You Commissioner I mean that was actually my question although you just you said something in terms of the the comment from Public Works that it was adequate for Back access of resolution. No, this is the primary access for this Right. This is a primary egress and ingress for this whole unit. So I just If the consideration by Public Works was due to back access versus primary, I'm just wanting to make sure that that was considered because we're going to have more folks coming in and out of this property. And it is a narrow space and a bit of a narrow alleyway with that. There's commercia

Yeah, along those lines. So because that's the only, it looks like the trash enclosure is only accessible from underneath. And so is this going to be one of those situations where they have to come in and roll the bins out?

So, but the truck comes down the alley. Correct. And then they just roll it out. Okay, thank you.

Great. Any further questions from the commission? Thank you for the thoughtful questions. I'm still waiting for any response.

a duplex and that this is a single-family or detached separate unit so if that weighs into your considerations on that side that is a small unit thanks for clarifying thank you for that clarification any more questions from the Commission seeing as there are none thank you all right we can now open the the hearing for public comment mr. clerk we have any speakers on this item thank you chair we don't have any public speakers on this item All right. Thank you. Before we close the hearing, if the applicant or staff would like to respond to anything out there, just want to give that option. Looks

And then you would be able to ask questions of the applicant.

Chair Boussa. Can I ask Ms. Farley also to look up the maximum lot coverage as well? That was one of the questions that we were asking, the maximum units.

I think those were the questions that had come up. We have a few maybe more from the commission. Commissioner Lagerquist, we'll start with you.

In the DRC, they had asked for relocation of the downspouts, but then I didn't see any resolution. It doesn't look like the plans changed, but I was just curious as to what the reasons were for not responding to those requests.

Yeah. And my other question is, it looks like on the bottom level of the units, are there windows on both sides of the units? So both on the outside and then on the inside towards the courtyard? Yes. But as you go up, are there windows on both sides on the upper floors or just on the outside?

For all the units? I mean, it looked like the studio may have been lacking windows on the interior.

I'm just getting at just having windows on one side can tend to make the unit quite dark. So I was just curious if that was being addressed. So, okay. That's all my questions. Thank you.

Thank you, Chair. Two questions. We're an older town and can the sewer accommodate this much of an increase without upgrading? Where is the sewer? Is it on the street or is it in the alley? And what modifications might need to be done to accommodate this increase in users?

And I saw there were markations on the roof for solar. Is solar planned for this?

Do you know what the code calls for as far as kilowatt hours?

Yeah. Two other questions. As far as lighting, is this going to be very low impact lighting?

I just wanted to piggyback on that. I think it might have been condition 21. Can you pull that up on the screen? I remember specifically it said something about dark sky compliant.

Thank you. Okay. Before I close the public hearing, any more questions from the Commission before we go into deliberation? Any more comments? Yes.

given the current financial climate as feasible as that is possible but yes we are already in discussions about moving to the next stage of drawings and how that's gonna look okay thank you with that then I will close the public hearing and bring it back to the Commission for deliberation and commissioners would anyone like to begin the deliver oh right great excellent Commissioner Compton

Okay, so aside from the Rubicon and the building two door, no, next door, the apartments, I didn't know it was apartments. I thought it was offices. This area is generally single story buildings, and this is a three story building. But I think it's been thoughtfully worked on in that from the street and with the seven foot slope, which is let's call it half a story slope, that third story will not be visible to people at least on the south side of Main Street and only marginally visible on the north side of Main Street. So I like the fact that they've pushed that third story towards the rear a

Okay, thank you. So with that newly discovered residence on the alley next door, I'm only mildly concerned about the noise that the tenants of this new property would cause the tenants of the existing property by starting up their cars and or if they backed in the exhaust that would occur to that, especially because we're now considering lessening the setback to two feet three inches or something of that magnitude, which is right upon the wall. I don't know how to resolve that other than either allowing it or asking them to go to the five foot setback, but I don't know that another two and a h

Thank you Commissioner O'Connor. Commissioner McCarty?

Thank you, Chair Boussa. As part of the supplemental packet that the Commission received this afternoon, there was a letter from the California Housing Defense Fund, which references the Housing Accountability Act as it pertains to this project. The gist of the letter uh... sites the city's obligation under state law specifically that the housing accountability act protections apply and the city may not reject the project except based on health and safety standards I think my question is directed to council and perhaps to staff. I'd like to just hear a reaction or your thoughts on that stateme

Thank you. I appreciate that answer. I like this project. a very thoughtful and innovative use of that particular size and shape lot. And I think all my questions have been answered. I don't have any qualms about it. I'm in favor of this project.

Thank you, Commissioner Gardner. Commissioner Comden?

Yes, me again. Two things. I was just thinking about the, and this is mildly off topic, it's not under consideration now, but I would probably advise against going to a one-way street. I'm just thinking if someone were to have a moving van or any impediment, it would force anybody using the alley to have to break that law by going out the other way. during the usage. So I don't know that it's necessary. It's not a well-used alley enough so that traffic would need to be controlled in that way. And the other letter that we received was about parking in the area. And my understanding is that you

thank you um just a couple thoughts um i agree with commissioner mccarty i think this project they put a lot of thought into it and it it will look nice in the area i you know the 60 versus 20 i mean it doesn't it doesn't go outside of height limits so um i i really don't see an issue and i think the bottom line is that they didn't use the density bonus law i'm still a little confused why they didn't they certainly could have but But to your credit, we appreciate being able to review it. So I am definitely inclined to approve as well. I think I definitely would like the clarification on the fe

Okay, I'd be interested in what the rest of the commission thinks about that, but those are all my comments.

Thank you. Commissioner Whitaker first, and then Commissioner Abbey, and then we can talk about that.

Thank you, Chair Boussa. Just to keep going with your question, if the applicant requested that the walls are part of the building, is that included in this warrant right here?

OK, thank you for that. I just wanted to also echo my fellow commissioners that this project, I believe it meets the warrants and exception findings. I do agree that it's a really nice project within this lot. I agree with Commissioner Comden. I don't understand how they could get 19 units in this. I mean it doesn't have you know a lot of parking but it meets also code so it meets a lot of the development standards that are required and they didn't Commissioner log request said they didn't go through the Dennis any bonus You know back door if you will and And they're providing affordable housi

Thank you, Chair Boussa. Yeah, the fact that this could have gone density bonus does put sort of a different spin on how one would look at the project. On the face of it, it looks very nice. facade architecture in the front. Commissioner Comden mentioned it starts out as two-story, and the third story is set back quite a bit from Main Street. So that's very thoughtful architecture. You have the, I don't know what it's called, plaza, but open space within the property. I'm a little concerned about parking being closer than the five feet, but I think I'm willing to overlook that. It's not a big

you commissioner abby um just lastly i'm supportive of this project appreciate the comments from the commission um largely and wholly agree uh you know this vacant this this parcel's not vacant for decades it i mean from my recollection just a bit of being in the being in the community um warrants and exceptions need to to serve a purpose and this is a good example where those are are being used thoughtfully i also appreciate the applicant bringing this to a hearing when that may not have necessarily been required um and so oh i have a comment before we finish just as a point of order i want t

Specifically to the nine-foot fence? Yes. Okay.

Can I ask a question about that event? So I'm planning on attending, but if I show up and I see three other planning commissioners there, do I need to turn around and leave to comply with the Brown Act?

Chair, can we take a straw poll on who's going to be there? I won't.

So the motion would be to approve the application with a six-foot fence? Yes. That would be the applicant's discretion to redesign and then submit for warrant. Correct. That could be handled at a director's hearing.

Thank you. All right, we'll bring it back to this project specifically, seeing as that we have finished deliberation, I would enter, oh, Commissioner Comden.

Regarding the fence, so we're going to vote to approve the project, or at least that's what the ask will be. at a six foot fence and then if they choose to go to a nine, then they will come back to the city to ask for an exception, correct? And if so, I would like to just suggest that the applicant speak to the neighboring property holders to come back with some feedback from them because that will be a major question of mine is how do they feel about it. Looking at the adjacent one that we've identified now as a residence, There's pros and cons why a nine foot fence would be warranted because

Agreed. We have a motion on the floor for approval of the project. All right. We have a motion from Commissioner Comden and a second from Commissioner Carney. Mr. Clerk?

Thank you. Okay. We'll now move on to item four, project 250933, the proposed addition at 1193 Colina Vista. The recommendation before us tonight is to continue the item to a date certain of October 28th, 2026. Unless staff has information that needs to be presented tonight, I'll entertain a motion to continue to the October meeting.

Chair, I'm sorry. To counsel, I have to recuse myself from this item. Do I need to recuse myself to continue it?

I'll move. All right. We have a motion on the floor to move. Second. All right. And a second. We have a motion and a second. Mr. Clerk?

Excellent, thank you. Is there any communications from the Planning Commission at this time? Okay, seeing as there is none, we already addressed some of our staff communications. Are there anything else?

I promise I'll stop after this. Two things. That last project, is it a kindergarten, did you say? What is it?

A daycare facility. And then there's a new kindergarten that I saw a sign up where the consignment store in Midtown on Main Street was. It's good to see youth are being accommodated. And I see more families. So those are good signs. I'm pleased to see and report that. Yes. The other thing I wanted to just mention, and this is outside the purview of us, but with the El Nino anticipated, there has been, I was just in an area that is rock bedrock stone. But that's not the case here. We have a lot of sandstone and a lot of shifting, sloughing off of mountains and things like that. And when I think

Thank you. Commissioner McCarty. Thank you, Chair Booth. I do have one question about the director's hearing, the Chase Bank on Harbor Boulevard. Do you recall what will be replacing that?

Wow, thank you. That really, I'm just gonna say, that really underscores the need for more Class A office space in our, I mean, the fact that we can't lease existing office space because of its current condition and old use. It would cost more for the current owner to keep the space than to demolish it, says a lot. And we see that, I mean, that's not, this isn't the only property in the city.

um facing that same sort of challenge commissioner conan uh just one comment on the director's uh hearing which is always helpful um it would be nice you showed a uh 20 unit structure on on the avenue i think it was it would be helpful if we could see the before and after of that because i don't know precisely where this is where 624 is And I'm assuming this went director's hearing because they weren't asking for any exceptions or warrants or it was just very straightforward. But it's a pretty large project. I'm curious why it didn't come before us.

All right. Excellent. With no further comments, questions. All right. If there's no further business before the commission, this regular meeting of the Planning Commission is adjourned.