Planning Commission - Special Meeting

We're going to be starting the meeting just shortly. Just give us a few moments and we'll be ready. Thank you. meeting of the Santa Clara Planning Commission, August 26, 2026. It's a special meeting. I'd like to make just a few very brief announcements. First of all, I'd like to thank staff that is here on a second night that might go along. I appreciate everything that you had to do before. So my condolences that you have to show up tonight, but thank you for doing so. The second thing is I did watch the council meeting last night, and I would like to just advise everybody. We try and solve p

Statement of values. As we gather, we humbly seek blessings upon this meeting. May we act with the strength, courage, and will to perform our obligations and duties to our people with justice to all. Let us seek wisdom so that we may act in the best interest of our people, our neighbors, and our country. All this we ask so we may serve our community with fairness and respect, putting their needs before all.

Thank you very much. Please be seated. Elizabeth, please call the roll.

So we are absent one member that we... don't have on the board just so you know there's it's nothing that we have to excuse but it's something we will later tonight vote on a replacement for the vice chair because the chair had to resign and then later the city council will decide on a new member if any of you are very interested in being on the planning commission on this side of the dice Please go and volunteer. We would love to have you up here. All right. So, Secretary Kourou, could you read the Declaration of Commission Procedures?

Thank you, Chair. Public hearings are conducted by the Chair in accordance with the following procedures. The Chair of the Commission directs all activities during the hearings. All comments shall be addressed to the Commission. Any item on this agenda may be continued to subsequent hearing. Applicants will be allotted up to 10 minutes to present and justify proposal following staff presentation of the item. Other speakers will be given up to two minutes. The applicant is then allotted up to five minutes for rebuttal or comments. No additional comments will be accepted upon the close of public

Thank you. Copies of the current agenda and staff reports for each of the items on the agenda are available from the planning division office on the Friday afternoon Proceeding the meeting and available online Just one quick question Xander Given that this is a special meeting. Is there any other procedures or things that we should be cognitive of?

Continuances and exceptions. This part of the meeting allows for the applicants, members of the public, or other interested parties to request that an item be one, continued without hearing, two, withdrawn, or three, taken out of order. Are there any requests for applicants, the public, or the commission for a continuance or exception for any of the items on tonight's agenda?

Thank you very much. The Planning Commission has only six members, as I said previously. And whenever a full commission is not present, applicants have the option to continue their items to another meeting. So in this case, you would have to wait until the City Council approves of somebody to be on. And that might take a little time. So we only have six. Does anybody that's an applicant want to do a continuance? I'll just ask that one last time. Seeing none, we'll continue on. All right.

So there's no items in the consent. Okay, so there's no items in the consent calendar, correct? Okay, good. All right, so Secretary Cherukoglu. Do we need to read?

No, we don't. There are no items on consent.

Okay. Public presentations. Elizabeth, are there any members of the public that would like to briefly address the commission on any item not on the agenda?

Commissioner Saleem, does that answer your question? I appreciate that very much.

Okay, so public presentations, things not on the agenda.

Thank you, Mr. Becker. Anyone else? Anyone online? No, we have no hands raised on line and no one in the chambers requesting to speak Okay, so public hearing items Let's start with number one is public hearing amend title 18 zoning of the Santa Clara City Code to establish a replacement housing unit ordinance implementing state law presentation

I have to make one disclosure I forgot to make before. So Xander, you can listen closely to this one. I am running for city council and one of the things that I was invited to do was to meet with the Santa Clara County Association of Realtors today And one of the questions they asked me is what I thought about this. And I said, it is on the agenda. I cannot speak about it. You can please come. We would love to have your input, but I can make no comments about it, but I'm happy to hear whatever you have to say. So I wanna make that disclosure. I'm sorry I didn't make it sooner. All right.

It's gotta be at least one. Who would like to go first?

Mr. Watengard, I'm going to just go left to right. Commissioner Boza? If you want to hold off, you can say, I want to hold off. That's fine.

Where do I begin on this? This is the most cockeyed thing I've ever read. It's like they're taking control of a private property and telling us what to do. Let me give you an example. When I was going through this, when you were reading this, the staff did a good report presenting this. One of the things that I was... I just couldn't believe it in my head was, let's say that I own a property and I have a fourplex on it, but I decided to tear it down and build, instead of a fourplex, I'm going to build a fourplex with a main unit in front and have one of my family members live in the main unit.

Thank you. Was there a question for staff? No? Okay. Priya, do you have any questions for staff?

Okay, so I'll go a little more methodical. Just to resonate, and I resonate in the sentiment, so I will be a little more factual here in my statements. So, in City of Santa Clara, we are a 55 to 61 percent rent-occupied household. That means 55 to 61 percent are actually owned by somebody else, that are impacted by this ordinance. That is the majority of the homeowners who currently are renting out their property, thereby increasing the supply of homes in this region, are going to be implicated by this ordinance. We are asking in the ordinance to go, one, with the state, which is pretty much,

One question on that. When you say low income, define which level of low income we're talking about.

Commissioner Cherukuru, I can't say any better than you had. You really did an excellent job in explaining that. I agree with you. I think this is way too onerous. And I think what I would like to discuss at some point... is how we propose, if everybody is in agreement, of course, what is the alternative to this? I have a question.

Please. My question really has been bugging me when I saw this. Who in the heck prepared this? Who did this? Whose idea was this? I want to know this. I want to really know this. I'd love to talk to them.

Did you really? Because I didn't hear anything about this. I'm in the community and I deal with a lot of people in the community. I talked to a lot of people.

Excuse me. You're not answering my question. Stop saying community feedback because sometimes with community feedback, a lot of people don't hear about it and it's only a question and answer thing that's slated. I want to know who did this. Can you say city planner, somebody in the city council, the mayor? Who came up with this?

All of you came and said, let's get together and come up with this.

I'll stop right now. Just wait a second. I'm used to just getting an answer. If I do something, I say I did something, I was responsible for something, but apparently I'm not going to get that answer. That's all I wanted to know, but apparently right now I'm not going to get that answer.

Okay, so hold on. I want to make sure we're clarifying. This is part of something that started with the state? Yes. Okay, so the state started it.

what staff said, okay, we're looking at this and given feedback and everything else, we want to add these conditions as well.

Thank you, Chair. A quick question, just a clarifying question in the spirit of things. Is this true what Commissioner Cherukuru said that a single landowner is a developer in the context of this ordinance? Is that true?

So I cannot rent it to lower income anymore is what you're suggesting by that? I'm not suggesting... Because that would invoke all of this.

So what did you just do? You just made me not rent to a lower income.

No, but the reference was if Priyachar Kru has a house that she rents at market conditions. Market rate. then the market rate is already suggesting that if I was to even remodel or demo the house, first I have to give tenant eviction notice, 45 months of, 42 months of,

As a landlord, now I have my caution up. I rest my case, Your Honor. It applies regardless.

I just wanted to say something here. I wanted to be in the planning commission one thing because I care about the city and I care about the residents of the city. The regulations, a lot of the regulations are being made. I understand that if you work for the city, you don't have to live in the city, but a lot of the regulations that will affect all of the citizens of the city and the property owners of the cities are made, but people don't live in the city of Santa Clara. They'll never have any intentions of moving to the city of Santa Clara. In itself, I can say I'm prejudiced when it comes t

Real quick. I just want to understand. Let's use a different example. Let's say it's a 500-unit apartment building. I'm going to build it today. I have to have a certain amount of low-income housing, right? That means that that's protected? If I then say I'm going to tear it down, like 30 years of it down, I'm still around because I just have that kind of genes. I'm now going to go ahead and say I want to tear it down because it's 30 years, it needs to be renovated, whatever. But because of that, if I now go ahead and say I'm going to build 800 units there, I still have to then give everybody notice. I still have to make sure that anybody that's low income, because it's now protected, I have to take care of them, right?

And then I would have to pay for 42 months?

I understand, state law, not a problem. At 30 years, I might just say, I'm going to let it go, right? Because really, what is the economic incentive for me? I have all these, you know, restrictions and stuff against me. It seems a bit onerous. But, you know, I'm not going to ask you to reply to that. That's just a comment on my part. So, Commissioner Chirikuru, you have a question?

Why not just follow the state law and call it a day? We're already restricted. State is mandating us. What is the lead for Santa Clara to go above and beyond?

And so you have a bunch of notes. Could you share them? And make it public?

Yes, it would. So let me put this. With the disclaimers. Yes. And let them come back with the facts, because what I would suggest is it be scrubbed for fact.

You admit that you might make a mistake.

I just want to make sure everybody's comfortable and do it the right way. Okay. Mr.

Chair, one more question before you go. I was just talking to a fellow commissioner here. How many of you knew that they had this issue that the questionnaire has the same community outreach and see what your thoughts were? How many of you were notified of that? Were you notified of that? Were you notified of that, Eric? No. I wasn't? He wasn't. You have the whole complete planning commission here. Never heard anything about this and never notified us. I don't know who you were talking to.

Hold on. I could have been notified. I didn't see it. I'll be very honest about that. Nobody saw it. That being said.

The clause that we have to have a tenant- A replacement unit ordinance. Action 13 was not clear. When we adopted that. Okay, look, at this point, it's kind of fair. It's been some time. It's been three years.

All right. Last time. Do you have something you want to say?

whatever makes or November I sent okay number number one I have a question about this what is there a critical due date on this thing is there a critical due date on this when did we commit we're already late but that's because it was December 2025 have our ordinance

Okay. Then let's open it up to public comment. Does anybody in the audience want to talk about this? I thought everybody was here for this one, no?

Thank you very much. Anyone else? I hope that wasn't too rambling.

We are done. So I think that would be a very interesting thing to consider for staff. The other consideration I would ask also about that is if the ADU all of a sudden became part of its own HOA, condominium association, does that have any bearing on it? You can have an ADU be a condo. be part of a homeowners association? And I'm just throwing that one out as a curve ball, but you don't have to necessarily answer now, but I think it is, figure it out.

Does that have any bearing on the fact that it's an ADU and the person demolishes their primary home?

But answer the first question, I think. Well, the first question. If they had an ADU, with a home and they decide to demolish their home.

If they're market rate, it doesn't matter.

So if I have an HOA for the ADU and it's below market for a low income, Does that make any difference?

Okay, so if I have a house, have an ADU, and I want to replace the house, which I'm living in, but the ADU is considered low income, it's protected, I have to demolish the ADU as well?

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. But if you're demolishing your house and you need another place to stay and you ask that ADU tenant to now move because now you have to occupy during your renovation, you would be required to do all this.

I think it would be easy. It obviously makes more common sense to say, given what I have to go through, given what we're talking about, we might as well just go ahead and rent an apartment somewhere else. But, you know, to go through all that stuff, yeah. So, anyway.

That's a deliberation for staff to come back.

Forget owner's rights. You can reconfigure it. All renters' rights. You can reconfigure it.

Okay, all right. I'm sorry I triggered you. Wow, that was a good one. Now, anybody else, final? Will we like to continue this to a time in the future determined? November, whatever, or is there another way you want us to?

All right, so anybody want to make a motion?

No, leave it open. So I'll move that we continue to November 18th. I'll give staff an opportunity to revise and review.

Second. For Lance. Seconded by Lance. Okay.

Sorry for all the silliness here. I'm sorry. Okay. So I don't have on my thing of ability to vote here. So I guess we're taking a roll call vote.

Mr. Chair, may I request a five-minute recess? Certainly. Five-minute recess. Okay, next item, public hearing action on conditional use permit PLN 25-00491 to allow a place of assembly, i.e. church, with up to 900 attendees to locate within a portion of an existing office building located at 2929 Patrick Henry Drive. CEQA status, exempt from CEQA per section 15301. Staff?

Questions for staff? One minor point. GTEN talks about housing from the house to the sidewalk. I'm assuming you mean house of worship? It's an office, right? So just a minor.

Yeah, I don't want to remove it. I just want to correct it. That's all.

Couple of questions for staff. What is the current ratio for parking for an office building?

Okay understood What is the parking ratio? for an office? And then if you're looking at it, what is the parking ratio for a religious facility?

No, generally, beyond Patrick Henry, what is the ratio of parking for a religious facility? Church, temple, mosque?

Okay. So we require one parking space if it was a standalone religious facility, not in Patrick Henry. We would require for every 50 square feet, so this is 50,000 square feet, what would be the number of parking spaces that we would have required in that math?

Just to answer Matt's question, for a religious facility, standalone facility, it's requiring for 50,000 square feet, what would be your parking requirement?

Okay, I just want us all to recognize what this is. So the biggest, and I say this, the biggest question was, okay, the parking is going to be the biggest concern, irrespective of Patrick Henry. I agree with the peak periods and the shareability might offset. I live next to church, and I also have Events 900 is a good gathering good celebrations space It will spill over into the neighborhood when Patrick Henry is built out. So whatever is the actual Plan, I don't know where we are in the current status of building out that Patrick Henry for residences Do we know the status of the current devel

Okay. So just to then validate from the current allocation for this project to use 50,000 square feet of a total 82,000 square foot building, which is the majority almost, for up to 900 attendees, with the remaining being potential for remaining office use. I haven't even gotten into that ratio. The total parking spaces provided is 311. If this was a standalone application for a religious facility for the same square footage, we would be asking 1,000. parking space. Thank you, Chair.

Thank you. Any other questions for staff?

Got a question. Isn't the Sutter Health also coming there with a hospital close, going to be close to the area, isn't it? And then we have the University of Santa Clara. And don't forget the 49er games, especially when you have Bible study between 1 to 5, you can have 49er games on Sundays. How close are they going to be to Sutter Health?

Yeah, so it's going to be about half a mile.

Yeah, about half a mile and stuff. The same thing with the university then. Are they using any of the property around there for parking for the stadium?

Right by there. They're going to be restricted getting in there too on Sundays.

Yeah, maybe let me ask a question first and then follow up. So I was learning from a colleague that churches and religious establishments don't pay property tax. Is that correct? That is correct. So conceivably, since this is the majority of the building, square footage wise, the landlord or owner of the building can claim this is a religious establishment building and then not subject to any property taxes for the whole building. Is that correct?

That's an interesting observation. It's not based on the 50,000 square feet.

You said that with your nose straight. Hold on, hold on. Let's let the applicant go ahead and make the, you know, we shouldn't be interrupting you. We'll ask you questions afterwards. I'm sorry.

More for staff and then to the applicant What's the difference between a place of assembly versus a religious facility in our ordinance and Would the temple or a mosque have different standards versus?

Is this application post-correction? What is the new ordinance?

And what would be the parking then if it is considered a religious institutional use versus a place of assembly, which I just got the numbers from you that said it would be a 1 to 50 versus 1 to 300 for a place of assembly.

So if it was not inside the existing building and it was a standalone facility, what would be the parking requirement?

No parking required because it's covered into the Patrick Henry specific plan.

And that would be okay from the CEQA perspective despite the increase in actual traffic? for the 900 additional uses? It depends.

Okay. And to the applicant, thank you for clarifying. I learn something new about every day. Are you expanding your school? What is happening in the remaining 35,000? Is that still in your lease or is that exclusive?

It's a different company. And do you plan to expand your school daycare activities, Bible study, youth program?

Don't. You'll be asked to do more parking.

What you're getting here is quite a freebie. Take it as a lottery. Thank you.

She has a piece of property she wants to sell you.

Exactly. Now it's no longer for housing, yes.

Conflict of interest, sorry. All right, any other questions for the applicant? We still have one more question for you.

Business buildings and they would coordinate with the data center. Yeah, you guys should really probably willing I would hope not you can come back here be honest with you We were asking about that both.

That's your building adjacent. So beware I

We will be praying only for the 49ers at that point.

All right. Any other questions for Alvin? Yes, sir.

So maybe my question's a little bit more, how should I say, off track, but I'll still ask it. It's an interesting proposition, right, to go find an office building and have a church or an assembly in it. Can you help me understand what's the background here? Who's wanting to do this? Is this a local community not finding a church nearby? Or what's driving this? And if you don't want to answer it, that's fine.

Thank you for helping me understand that. I think there's plenty of office space available because of the new way of working, so if you're able to put it to some good use, then so be it. But thank you for helping me understand. Thank you.

I have a quick question. Have they tried to find another church that is diminishing in attendance and worship to kind of split the cost and split the... And what was the solution? Would they?

Hold on, hold on. Please stop, because people are online and they'd like to hear you, please.

We've been looking for a way that be more permanent than You can turn at least with option to buy We talked about that Any other questions Good, thank you Let's open up to public hearing Anybody in the audience would like to comment on this or is there anyone online that would like to comment on this? I And we'll start with who's here. So I don't see anybody wanting to step up. Elizabeth, is there anyone online?

You can wait for your recording later. Sir, we haven't given a decision yet. Celebrating ahead. Oh, my goodness. Sorry about that. I like your positivity here.

Preemptive. I know there's a higher power that might be giving you some inside information, but we can't talk about that here. All right, so with that, would anyone like to make a motion?

Since I have the agenda, Assuming you're all looking.

Give me just a second, I'm going back to the top here. Okay. I'll just put a little comment in here to watch for your parking requirements, okay? So with that, motion to determine the project to be categorically exempt from the California Environmental Quality Act pursuant to CEQA facilities, if a CEQA guideline section 15301 plus one existing facilities.

Hold on. You want to record? You have to allow me to speak. Adopt the resolution approving a conditional use permit to allow a place of assembly that is the church within a portion of an existing office building located at 2929 Patrick Henry Drive, subject to findings and conditions of approval.

And can you add to that, if I may suggest, that G10 be modified to rename, to correct housing to office space or whatever the appropriate term is, please.

I do not want to create a technicality for some other poor lawyer that has to come up and defend it because of some bizarre situation. I'm trying to prevent that stuff. And what little I can do. All right.

That's your condition of approval, isn't it? So it's already there. unless you say it wasn't, and then we will make that friendly amendment from staff.

Okay, can you state that for the record louder? Subject to findings and condition of approval with amendment to condition G10 and... And condition P5A.

Thank you for sitting through the first item. Okay.

All right, next item three, continuance of a pre-zone, pre-designation of a general plan land use annexation and vesting tentative subdivision map to allow for the development of 408 residential units at 451 El Camino Real. CEQA Environmental Impact Report, EIR, prepared in accordance with California Environmental Quality Act CEQA. And I believe this is something you want to continue.

Then I will open it to public hearing. To date certain. No, September 2nd. Next week, September 2nd. Yeah, this is why I took off. I'm taking vacation. So you get to deal with this without me, which makes it much faster and easier. All right. So now that it's up in the public hearing, do we actually ask if somebody wants to speak on it tonight? Okay, so if somebody would like to speak on this tonight, either here or online, this is the time to do it. Just remember, it's going to be continued to next week as well.

It's a good time to note to make sure that staff now addresses that. Okay, thank you.

Clarification, are you here on behalf of the Santa Clara University? I am. Okay, so that's for record that this is a public comment from Santa Clara University.

Thank you. And if Nancy was here, she would say she very much appreciates you being here. That being said, staff. He never looks down here. What? Okay, hold on one second, and then you can go next real quick. So staff, do you have any recommendations about if they want to, you know, obviously the Planning Commission can't say to the developer or anything like that, you need to meet with these people. Is there any recommendation for the best way that they can meet with the developer and or contractor?

Do you have their contact information? Okay, so Leslie will be the one that you can get in touch with, and she'll make that available to you. That being said, Lance, you have a question for the— Not a question.

Well, the city can't say that overall, but we can certainly recommend it. Yes, and yes, we always love to have Nancy here, so in her absence, we would definitely do that. Much better job than I do. We would recommend it. Suggest is probably the better way to put it. Okay. Okay, so anybody online that has a comment?

Just to suggest that you're welcome to come back September 2nd and you can meet the developer in person.

All right. And same for Santa Clara University. We would recommend that. All right, so shall we make a motion to continue it to September 2nd? OK. So I made the motion. Commissioner Baumgartner seconded the motion to continue to September 2nd. OK. Public hearing continued open.

Thank you very much All right, and thank you for coming here and sitting through all that to appreciate it All right item for election of Planning Commission vice chair and secretary if needed

Hold on, we're going to let our esteemed counsel here run the proceedings.

I'll stay secretary and bear the brunt of speaking through.

I'm sorry, you're saying you're not accepting the nomination?

Okay. She did not accept it. She did not accept. Yeah, say that one more time since it's coming from you.

I will prefer to be the secretary and do not accept vice chair.

Congratulations. You're running to the next meeting.

I'm running into the meeting next week. Okay. That's the end of public hearing items. Let's go on. Congratulations, Commissioner Booza. Where are we on? We're on reports.

Okay, so it's gone two. Commissioner travel and training reports, requests to attend trainings. One item. Hold on.

First of all, hold on. Next... What item are you thinking that you would like to have a representative

If so needed. If we decide that we don't, then we don't have to send anybody. It's our call, right? Okay. You would like to know, okay, do we have, since when's the next city council meeting?

Okay. So first of all, since this is out of order and not on the agenda, is there any problem talking about this now?

Can we do it as announcements and other items, or are we stretching that?

Well, I'll be absent there. And quite honestly, if it's on the 15th, I'll have just returned on the 14th. So I would not want to be the one there half asleep. I mean, yeah, and you can also... We can have anybody go anytime we want. So it doesn't have to... I don't think we necessarily have to have... two people that are always going to be the ones. We can rotate it, I think.

Okay, so let's have it come up on September 2nd. And you guys can discuss it a bit more and go from there. Is that okay?

I thought the actual interest was that Zenda would come prepared with language. That was just an additional clarification on the zoning charter, planning commission charter.

So September 2nd we can. Review that language.

And then we could come back in October for the actual nominations.

Just to make sure the agenda hasn't gone out.

We might be requesting a continuance Would you like then through the chair? Considering the burden of getting things would you want it to be in October? Barring that you could still go to planning City Council meetings as an individual Next week no, no, I'm saying should be allowed staff to work on it and not impose September 2nd Oh

Okay. We won't. Okay. How about that? We give you the discretion to come to the planning commission back with the revised charter when the chair is still.

Mr. Chair, requesting the travel and training reports that we're going to talk about, I need to ask Alyssa with the question.

First of all, mr. Saleem, are you okay with that?

Go ahead commissioner chair Akuru You're sitting right next to him What was it you we were talking about? Okay, we will ask staff to try and present this September 2nd and given the amount of work that they have if it's not a It's low priority is what we're going to say. And if it doesn't happen September 2nd, it will happen in October.

I will promise you that in October this will not be something that I will let go.

Okay, travel. Planning Commissioner attendance at the American Planning Association California Chapter Conference 2026 in Los Angeles. So I'm going to go for one day, which I believe is going to be October 5th. I need to give Elizabeth some information, an email, so she has that.

I have a question. Liz, can I let you know by tomorrow?

Yes, just so everybody knows, the reason I'm going down for one day is, first of all, work is kind of tying me down. But I am actually on a panel. So I'm actually going to present.

So everybody should vote no, I can't go.

All right. Leslie, thanks. Pull out your credit card. Thank you. You volunteered.

How much more are we talking about budgeting or we're just talking about TBD?

Regarding the airfare, I'll take care of that myself.

Can I add a quick just feedback on while we are talking about agenda dates? So I'm trying to look at the October meeting dates and on our website, one, we don't have a clarity about public can see our planning commission dates now I can understand it used to have a like a list of you know a paper document that was a PDF that was attached I understand that we have changes we have special planning commission we have all sorts of other meetings in lieu but it's now stating when generally meets once a month on a Wednesday at 6 p.m. is there a way to be much more visible because I'm looking for whe

So some of them... Only because I would like to have some legitimate way that we can anticipate our planning commission. I'd like to know.

Is really the question like look no we know what the calendar looks like for this year holidays are there we had possible to formalize it a little more in advance Typically adopted calendar meeting we always have as an annual occurrence.

adoption of the calendar of meeting events. We've taken into consideration summer. We've given one month off. We recognize there's always going to be something special when we announce it.

Yeah, even when I go into the legislature, it takes me into a black hole. You have to filter it by planning commission, yes. It is not friendly. Please don't go make me do this. I've been there, done that.

I don't want, but I want to know, when is October meeting?

I'm looking for a date this October. It's the 7th.

Okay, so the first Wednesday is typical. No, no.

Do you see as volunteers how hard it makes us to plan for anything that allows us to attend?

We have to look at the council meetings that are occurring and the timing So so I think we're the only most variable because if you go to any other jurisdiction, it's a consistent Expectation that there is a Planning Commission meeting on a regular cadence. So feedback and Please take it into consideration. Allow your self-tentative variableness. Put a disclaimer there. Please be on public record to be more accountable.

I want to see where your statistics come from.

Yeah, because I used to be on the planning commission, so respectfully, Chair.

I don't think there's a lot of respect for the chair, but okay. That being said, one other thing. You're now a short timer, right? When is your... Why?

Oh, no, no, no. I'm not going to give you that option.

Because you're going to be gone soon anyway. You came soon at the heels of. Okay, so... Why even bother us?

There's an actual real reason I'm asking this. It's because we already have the city council has to get somebody else in for the absent chair for Nancy. And if yours is coming up, then I would suggest we also tell city council, oh, by the way, we have another one that's about to go. Happily. Happily and then we will you know what we will um You know unchain you but so maybe I'm just trying to see if there's I don't know if they can do it beforehand or whatever But if Commissioner Kuru is gonna be out a certain time. Does it help the City Council?

Thank you. So the idea of actually doing something beforehand rather than later is I'm just...

All right. Sorry for that delay. All right, so upcoming agenda items besides that. Have we noted anything else that we did not discuss? A quick question about agenda items. If we want to... If we want to propose an item to go on, and what was the procedure again for that, please?

Oh, I have one for you that's not gonna be a trivial little workflow request. What I'm looking to do, I'm looking to ask staff to look at our business industry, which uses, what, 94% of the electricity in Santa Clara. Two things, one, by industry, you know, who uses the most electricity. We all kind of know that 60% is the current number from SVP from January this year. It was 55 data centers at the time, there's 58 right now, so I'm assuming it went from 55% to 60%. The other thing is I would also like to have, and by that industry, so let's say you have light industry, you have data centers,

That would be fantastic. And I think it's a shame that the city council didn't ask for that.

Also would be good to have a regional table of all other data centers. We are a region.

Well, I'm asking about industry in general.

I'm asking about data centers as a data point. for the region as to how many are in the region getting approved overall and the megawatts as well as, in fact, I can give it to you, but just asking for the record and for how many cities are actually opposing or having moratoriums.

Okay. What I'm going to ask staff to do with this is, I know this is not a trivial little ask that I'm doing, right? That being said, what I would suggest we do, since you have to write this down now, that we bring this item up in October. And what I mean by doing that, I'm not asking you for the report or anything like that. What I'm asking is let's have that discussion about what, you know, you tell us, okay, hey, this is the stuff that we can get you. And these are the things that we really can't. So we have that discussion. And then finally say, OK, you can tell us how long it takes you to

But aggregate should be okay, and I assume that would be one of the things that you can bring up on October if we have a problem with that.

prohibited from disclosing that to the public But we can review it staff can review it and saying okay. Here's here's what CEQA said for acne, and here's what actually happened, and then put those numbers into an aggregate format so that it doesn't call out a single business. Arguably.

If I tried to do it tonight with what I just said, I would very worry that I'd waste staff's time, and I don't want to do that. So one meeting to say, OK, yeah, here's what we think you asked for. Here's what we can do. Here's any legal implications. Here's our trouble with getting this. And then say, OK, this is what we want to get. What's going to take you to get that back to us at some meeting after October?

So if they decide to say no, that would be an answer.

Thank you. Appreciate it. All right. Can we get on? City Council actions.