City Council - Regular Meeting

Good evening and welcome to the September 1st Naperville City Council meeting. Roll call.

Here. Please rise and join me in the Pledge of Allegiance. As we begin tonight, I want to recognize our city clerk, Dawn Portner, as this will be her last meeting as an employee of the city of Naperville. After a decade of service, she has served in various roles, and Dawn will be moving on to lead the Downtown Naperville Alliance as its next executive director. I want to thank you, Dawn, for your continued dedication to Naperville, and we look forward to working with you, or working you, I guess, in your new capacity. representing downtown. Thank you. I also want to introduce Miranda Barfuss,

Up next is City Council Public Forum. As a reminder, per the code, council members have three minutes to speak during public forum. You can speak up to two times. Councilman McBroom.

Thank you, Mayor. So I just need some clarification on a vote that we had last meeting. And based on answers to my questions, maybe I'll be pulling the minutes, but it looks like we have residents that pulled the minutes anyway, so I don't know if it's on this topic, but so, and I'm not, just wanna be clear, pure clarity, I'm not looking to accuse anyone to make a mistake or doing something wrong, but in regards to the parking fund that we all voted unanimously on to shift from capital or general funds to, or pay for these routine maintenance costs from the parking fund, We had a memo on it, w

So I just want to make, first of all, clear, does the city agree, were we doing something incorrect there? And if not, did we make a preference change, or did we correct an error?

And that was my concern, and that's why I'm bringing it up. We can look, I mean, the minutes are getting pulled anyway, that the language in the minutes is this is how we were going to fund it moving forward. We saw a memo that, according to kind of handling it this way, I guess it was millions in the past, and there was even a suggestion we'd claw that back. I mean, I wouldn't support that. But anyway, my main concern is, Do we need to clarify what the intention of the food and beverage parking? Was it for major renovations, a new parking deck? We will be talking about a new parking deck next

Okay, Councilman Sayah. Thank you, Mayor. So as you all know, summer is a busy time for everyone, including the road closures and the construction. So I've been getting a lot of emails, text messages, social media posts about Naperville road closures on 59, 248, 95th, Book Road, a lot of things. So just wanted to have a high-level update from the team, from the staff, to see what are the timeline and when it is going to complete and share some thoughts on that. Thank you.

Okay, thank you. Thank you, Mayor. I just wanted to highlight a few good news stories in the community. I think when people come to City Council, a lot of times they only hear about the toughest issues, the ones that we have a divided vote on. But a few things I was really proud of in the last month. One, you know, the Riverwalk Commission there, you know, It was brought up that the benches that we have on the Riverwalk are not the easiest for seniors and people with limited mobility to get out of. So there was a proposal for a new kind of bench, which aesthetically didn't look like the rest o

Thank you, Mary. I wanted to thank Mr. Huss for his presentation and for the suggestion of a new statement and possible criteria as well as the suggestion of an expert in the area that might assist with the workshop. And I know last meeting we ran We ran long. And so we didn't really, Councilwoman Gibson and I in a discussion addressed how we didn't really get a chance to talk about the details of the workshop. So Mayor or Mr. Krueger, are we going to have time today to talk more in detail about that workshop or have suggestions such as what Mr. Huss provided today?

Could I have a follow-up question? Go ahead. Mr. Krueger, so as of right now, we are not foreseeing the need of an expert to help facilitate it. We will be using our staff.

Thank you, Mary. Just wanted to quick say thank you, Shannon, for following up with regard to your son. It's obviously really disappointing, I guess, to say the least, for him to spend over two hours on a bus. So as you know, typically, council, school boards, et cetera, don't really get involved, but I'll certainly follow up. With regard to Mr. Huss' suggestion, for people that weren't aware or here at the time, we did have a, I don't know, what I would consider an expert, come and speak from CES during the PUAB energy presentations. We could, I don't know, as part of that suggestion, I'd off

Thank you. I want to speak to the first speaker we had in public forum. That would be Ms. Cottrell. I appreciate your words tonight, and I'm sorry what you're going through with your presentation. your children and the extended bus rides. I can tell you that the city manager and myself have expressed our concerns and your concerns to the superintendent of schools. I think that it's important that the city, under the guise of the autism-friendly community that we're trying to project here and aspire to be, really looks at this from the perspective of how we can get all these different governmen

All those in favor sign aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion passes 8-0. May I have a motion to approve the consent agenda removing I-1, I-9, I-11, and I-12.

Councilman White. I move to approve the consent agenda removing items I-1, I-9, I-11, and I-12. Councilman Holzhauer.

Mrs. Schatz, please read the consent agenda removing I-1, I-9, 11, and 12.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE COUNCIL CONSENT AGENDA AS READ. ROLL CALL.

Thank you, Mayor. So going back to the minutes that I, topic that I just referenced. So in the minutes regarding the downtown parking fund, council, okay, so.

Should have brought my glasses here, sorry. So two things. Moving forward, staff can utilize the downtown parking fund for maintenance and new construction. So I just think there's two things that need to be clarified. One, in light of the fact that the city doesn't think that we were making an error doing this incorrectly, this appears to be just a preference change for this one item. And that we weren't directing you to move forward to spend money down from the parking deck fund. I guess council in the future could, COULD DECIDE TO DO THAT ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS. BUT AS FAR AS THE DIRECTION

Thank you, Mayor. I recognize this item, we're talking specifically about the minutes, so I'm not sure how much we're talking about the parking fund or not, but my understanding of that item was I had worked with City Manager Krieger ahead of the meeting who asked if he could word the motion to make sure that we didn't hold up any contracts, that historically parking garage maintenance is two-thirds from that fund, one-third from capital projects. I'm not sure why roofing was treated different from other maintenance projects and that was the question I raised over emails in the Q&A and in the

Yeah, thank you, Mayor. I appreciate that we're bringing this to light. So I just want to be very clear. There's a page in the budget from last year and every other year that I've been on council. It is titled, quote, downtown parking deck maintenance. And there's a dollar figure allocated for THE CAPITAL PROJECTS FUND AND THE DOWNTOWN PARKING FUND. AND EVERY SINGLE YEAR THIS COUNCIL HAS VOTED IN BUDGET SEASON FOR EXACT TO THE PENNY TWO-THIRDS, ONE-THIRDS SPLIT. SO IF WE'RE DEVIATING FROM THAT OR USING CREATIVE ACCOUNTING TO GET AWAY FROM THAT, I JUST DISAGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUE. I DON'T THINK

I think the question before us is whether or not the minutes accurately reflect the statements that were made by the city manager. Mr. City Manager, are you comfortable in affirming those or would you prefer that this be tabled until the next meeting so you can confirm what was said or not said from the tape?

Councilman McBroom. I'm fine. All right. Is there a motion to approve the regular city council minutes of the August 18th, 2026 meeting? Councilman White.

Mayor, I move to approve the regular city council meeting minutes of August 18th, 2026. Councilman Holzhauer.

We have a motion and a second on I-1. Roll call.

Thank you, Mayor. So you guys got me going here. If this is my property, I'd be upset too. Can the city explain to us why these homeowners should be expected to pay for this?

The existing property owners that are paying now would be able to recapture from future development?

If we were to require the homeowner that's building to bear this cost, is that against code or would that be wrong?

WE DO HAVE THE PETITIONER ATTORNEY FOR QUESTIONS ONLY FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS. ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE QUESTIONS?

THANK YOU, MA'AM. NOT A QUESTION FOR MS. HUGH BUT JUST SOME COMMENTS. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN GROOM. THOSE ARE EXCELLENT QUESTIONS, THE SAME ONES I ASKED THE STAFF. A LITTLE BIT TORN HERE. I'M PROTECTIVE OF STAFF'S PROCESS. TO BE HONEST, I THINK THEY'RE INTERPRETING THE CITY CODE CORRECTLY. I GET IT ON KIND OF A MICRO LEVEL IN A LEGALISTIC SENSE. I'M INTENDING TO VOTE NO, THOUGH, AND I'LL SHARE WHY. SO I GREW UP IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, RIGHT? THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WAS ON, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE FIRST DEVELOPMENTS AS NEIGHBORHOOD BECAME A BOOM TOWN. became very prime territory for tear downs. A

So I guess I've got a little concern about the way this is put together at this point. Number one, the interest rate that is assigned to it, 2% or whatever it is per year for the extent of the deal, but how this would be potentially recorded on the affected party's properties. Are you referring to this as, is this like a lien or is this a... memorandum of conditional recapture, or how is this going to look on a title search for these properties? And I'll refer to...

So the answer to the question is it's not a lien, it's a memorandum of conditional recapture.

Anything? Okay. Is there a reason, and I'll direct this to our legal staff, is there a reason that we can't tie this to what I believe the spirit of what we're trying to do here is? And that would be if homeowners ever choose to sell their home and the buyer of that home someday decides to tear the house down and build something different, why couldn't we tie this to the demolition permit and the building permit and make it very clear that there's no dollars that are being sought from the current owners based upon the current use, or if they sell the homes in their current condition to somebod

I think it goes beyond that, though, with the interest in, I don't think it's specific to the teardown. I think it talks about additions and other things on the current house. So, Mr. DeSanto?

I appreciate that. Thank you, Mayor, and your questions there. So can we say that this is not costing the homeowners their money, not through a refi or when they sell? Correct. Unless they hook up to the—

Okay, well, I still, if I'm in the homeowner's shoes, I guess I'm not necessarily comfortable with the language that you just read, Mr. DeSanto. I think, again, to make it very clear, if the house is ever sold and torn down, there's a demolition permit, or if there's a new building permit, that's one that triggers, and charging the 2% interest, I don't necessarily believe is necessary, but... I would like to make a motion with those modifications. Councilman Gibson.

If we are making a motion with modifications, I would be in favor of getting rid of the interest altogether. I see this as, you know, I recognize that the homeowners would not be paying this unless they are using that benefit, which I think is an important distinction here. we need to make this isn't 11,000 that the homeowners need to pay unless they are doing the work that would have needed this anyway. But I'm not sure why it should be accruing interest over the time if this money is going to reimburse the owners of 623. If we're amending it anyway, I would be in favor of getting rid of the interest.

That was to get rid of the interest altogether. Okay, great. Thanks.

Is there a second? I made the motion, so I need a second, please.

And just a point of order to clarify. Mr. DeSanto, there is absolutely no lien. This is just recorded as a memo on title search.

And there will be no effects on the current owners for the time that they have until such time as they sell the house and somebody chooses to tear it down?

YEAH, THANK YOU, MAYOR. I WAS JUST GOING TO DOUBTILL ON MR. DESANTO'S POINT. JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE ORDER OF OPERATIONS IS YOU APPLY FOR A REFINANCING OR HEATLOCK, title search is wrong it's up to the lender what they're willing to accept so this is an encumbrance this will make it harder to get a refire alone potentially or cause a higher rate you have to pay or whatever so i'm not comfortable putting that potential encumbrance on on the homeowners thank you mayor thank you so we have a motion in a second roll call jane no mcbroom no syed

Motion fails, 1-7. Or I'm sorry, yeah, 1-7. Aye, 11.

And if you heard your name called, please move to the front row. We do have several speakers on this topic. Thank you.

Okay. Council, there is another speaker who arrived at 6.20 and apparently drove a couple hours to testify here tonight and was not aware of our sign-up rules. I would need a council action by a voice vote to determine whether or not we want to allow him to speak. All those in favor?

Mayor, I have a question, if that's all right. Go ahead. Boy, I hate to be the jerk in this situation, but I do have to ask, has it happened in the past that people have not known about our electronic sign-up policy and then not been allowed to speak? I don't know the answer to that. Would perhaps Ms. Kortner know the answer to that? Do you know? if we've had people that have not signed up electronically wanted to speak at the meeting and then basically they haven't been allowed to speak?

Okay, then I'm comfortable. Thank you, Mayor. Okay.

So is there a motion to allow the speaker who didn't sign up prior to 6.30 to speak? Seeing none. Councilman White, you want to make the motion?

Yeah, I'll make the motion to allow the speaker to address the council.

Is there a second? Councilman Holzer? Second, Holzer. We have a motion and a second. All those in favor, sign aye. Not very loud. So let's do a division here. Let's do a roll call vote.

Is there a moment for comment? Go ahead. Thank you. In the past, I've advocated for no 630 sign up. So this feels like a good opportunity to throw that out there again. I think we should be able to sign up up until seven o'clock when the meeting starts.

Okay. Let's do a quick roll call vote just to make sure we got it right.

Thank you. Any more speakers? Seeing none, council discussion. Councilwoman Jane.

Thank you, Mayor. So as of like a month ago, I didn't know much about Kratom. So I seem to have learned a lot about it over the past month, had some wonderful discussions with some of the speakers today. And like all issues have come to the conclusion that this issue too is not either black or white or clear cut, that it's far more nuanced. Generally, principally speaking, I'm always hesitant to issue any kind of a ban, especially when we have individuals who seem to have benefited from some form of it. However, there's a couple of things that give me pause. One was the testimony of Ms. Ashley

Thank you, Mayor. I was hoping either Chief Aries or the City Attorney could talk to the impact of the DEA making this as synthetic as Schedule 1. I mean, does that effectively mean what, as of now, anybody selling synthetic 7-OH is selling an illegal drug?

Can we ask, I guess, just generally, and maybe this is a question for the chief then, if somebody in Naperville, a retailer in Naperville, was selling a Schedule I substance, how would we handle that?

RAMIFICATIONS OF A RETAILER SELLING THIS IN OUR COMMUNITY WOULD BE MUCH DIFFERENT THAN VIOLATING AN ORDINANCE. AND IF IT IS A SCHEDULED DEA SCHEDULED ONE DRUG, OUR BAN, A WHOLE BAN OF CRATUM WOULD EFFECTIVELY JUST BE BANNING THE NATURAL LEAF BECAUSE AT A FEDERAL LEVEL SYNTHETICS ARE ALREADY BANNED. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M STRUGGLING WITH. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE IF Synthetic is a illegal drug now. Because if it is, I think that changes the testing and our ability to enforce it. One of the reasons I was hoping we could get synthetic and natural leaf separated following the first reading.

yeah i my understanding and and maybe this is something that we can seek more clarification on is that only three synthetic forms have been identified and that there are could be other synthetic forms or the 7oh concentration in itself has not been identified as schedule schedule one and then again Anyway, so that's my understanding, and we could see clarification on that, but I think there are still gaps.

Councilman Alzar. Thank you, Mayor. To Chief's point, I mean, so like I have the experience of having prosecuted cases like this before, right? And synthetic cannabinoids were like a big thing 15, 20 years ago. And it started out with there were three or four or five of them. I think it was a chemistry professor at Clemson who got fired and started making these just as a hobby um but just looking at chat gpt right now there's over 500 strains that are out there right now and it's not like you can test unless it's a known like this chemical compound we're going to test for it, it's going to com

Thank you. I want to thank, I'm sorry, Councilman White.

Thank you. As I stated before, you know, our top priority as far as I'm concerned as a council, councilman here is public safety, public health of our community. So that's always where I kind of lean, go back to. And I, first of all, appreciate all the, everyone who came up here to speak. And I feel for you for a lot of the conditions that you're having to deal with. But right now, at least in the city of Naperville, we can't really distinguish between the two. And there's a process in place that would allow us to do that. I've got to lean on the side of public safety until we can figure out t

THANK YOU, MAYOR. I'M CURIOUS. I THOUGHT COUNCILWOMAN GIBSON'S MOTION WAS TO BRING BACK THE TWO OPTIONS. WASN'T THAT? IS THERE A REASON WHY WE DIDN'T GET THOSE OPTIONS?

Okay, just want to clear that up. So, you know, like my colleagues, Like Councilwoman Jane said, I didn't know what Creighton was. I've spoken to more people about it and learned more about this topic than I'll ever need to know. And I still don't know, right? And I think Mr. Doyle's right. Like, none of us are scientists up here. You know, I think it's beyond our purview. And, you know, so if I have to vote on a ban or not, I don't have another option here. I can talk myself into the ban. I'm hearing from our chief. I'm hearing from some of the things that Councilman White said. Apparently, w

Councilman Wilson. Thank you, Mayor. I guess I had similar comments as far as receiving two options here, but fortunately we didn't really get that. But I guess for similar reasons as others have said, it's hard to make a distinction, I suppose. I guess Councilman Whitehead brought up perhaps doing a moratorium or a pause on this for a year or something until it comes back. But I suspect that others might not have a desire for that. So I don't know. I struggled with this. I also see other things that are harmful to individuals in the community, which we're not banning as well, that are complet

Thank you. I will echo what my colleague said. Thank you to everybody who came out today. The consistent thread I've heard is that there is a difference between synthetic and natural. And I agree, we have what sounds like a very dangerous product in these synthetics that is widely available in our community. And I think while I would love to wait and see how the DEA and the state regulate, I do recognize that we need to get these dangerous products out of our stores. a more timely fashion as it seems as the trajectory the dea starts to address the difference and hopefully there are ways to tes

Thank you, Mayor. So as an elected official, as a council member, as a community, it is our responsibility that public safety is the top priority. We all have been talking about this. But practically, we have to It should not be a lip service, but practically we have to implement. And I've been seeing some figures from poison control centers in the United States receive more than 3,400 reports about use of kratom from 2014 to 2019. And this includes death. This includes weight loss. This includes liver damage. There have been many, many high blood pressure, So this is scary, you know, when you

I want to thank everyone who was engaged on this. You've been heard and you are all part of the public record. The mayor's office and the city council has received impassioned communications on both sides of this issue. And I do not doubt the sincerity of anyone who's testified at the liquor commission or before this council, or even back before the city council in 2019. But our charge here is the health, the safety and the welfare of this community, our families and our young people. And we've heard from neighbors who bravely shared what happened to them, A product marketed as natural and har

Mayor, I move to pass the ordinance amending sections 3-3 and 3-6 of the Naperville Municipal Code to prohibit the retail sale of Creighton. Councilman Holtzauer.

We have a motion and a second on I-11. We'll call.

And if you've heard your name called, please move to the front row.

Thank you. Any more speakers? Okay, Council, with regard to the proposal before us, one of the things that Ms. Schweitzer brought up and I had also noted with our professional staff is there are three sections from the current Liquor Code that I believe were intended to be included, but during the motion at Liquor Commission were likely omitted. accidentally omitted. And those are related to the number of drinks that can be served to a person at one time. And that would be in section 3.2.2.3. I'm sorry, 3.2.2.1, which would require service of two or more drinks of alcoholic, I'm sorry, prohibi

Just a quick question for either staff or Monica or Christina. anyone really, I guess. But was the intention of business owners, restaurants, to have the wording, if you happen to know, as it's written or what was talked about at the Liquor Commission meeting? I guess more succinctly, are restaurants in support of this as it is, or was this what they desired, or was it something different?

ordinance. So I move to waive the first reading and pass the ordinance amending sections 3-3-3 and 3-3-12 of the Naperville Municipal Code to allow happy hour specials consistent with state law with a local restriction prohibiting such specials after 7 p.m. and retaining sections 3-3-1 or make that 3-3-12 3.2.1 3.2.2.1 and 3.2.2.3 requiring a posted drink price schedule, prohibiting service of two or more drinks at one time to one person, except wine by the bottle or carafe, and prohibiting a discount greater than 50% of the scheduled price. Councilman Olsauer?

Second, Olsauer. We have a motion and a second on I-12. Roll call.

Aye. Motion passes 8-0. Okay, we're going to take a seven-minute break. We will be back at 9-11. OK, folks, it's 9-11. I'd like to get everybody back in their seats so we can start. Item J1.

Hold on. We need to open public hearing first. Public hearing for the property located at 2255 Monarch Drive is now open. We will start with the petitioner's presentation. They're allowed 10 minutes. Now, Mr. Rosanova.

We do have another speaker after. You want to go ahead and call him? Thank you.

I know we have a question from a councilman, but Mr. Rossanova, do you want to rebuttal?

Councilman Olderer. Thank you, Mayor. I just wanted to commend Mr. Rossanova and Mr. Whitaker for, I mean, wonderful project here on the merits. ALSO, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL BROUGHT UP THE ISSUE A FEW MONTHS AGO ABOUT INCLUDING NAMES OF MORE RECENT NEIGHBORHOOD HEROES, DIVERSE PEOPLE THAT HAVE DONE THINGS IN THE COMMUNITY. WE'VE WORKED TOGETHER CLOSELY ON THIS, AND I REALLY THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT. JUST KIND OF AS A HOUSEKEEPING MATTER, AS YOU'RE AWARE, MR. KRIEGER, IF YOU COULD CHIME IN HERE. Technically, there are streets in Naperville that have the word park in them. Candace Parker's name is

Okay, perfect. And from my conversations with you, this dialogue is enough that if they include it in the plat, that's not an issue for you? It does not. Yeah, I appreciate that. And I also note that plenty of streets like Royal St. George are way, way, way over that number of letters. Just to talk a little bit about process, and thank you so much for participating in it. NAPER Settlement, the good folks at NAPER Settlement, put together a list of names of, you know, kind of diverse Naperville heroes and submitted that. Our Transportation Engineering Development Department, Ms. Loudon, Directo

Is there anybody else wishing to speak on this particular issue? Come forward now. Seeing no one, Councilman White may have a motion to close the public hearing. May I add a comment? Go ahead, Councilman.

Just a couple of questions. Great briefing, by the way. But I would, if you could comment maybe on our seniors. I know Mr. Doyle brought up a point on housing affordability and so on. But last time I looked at some of the data that our seniors were one of our fastest growing populations. So from a targeting standpoint, group that you're targeting, I think it seems to be on point. And with that said, where do you see these homes kind of averaging from a price standpoint? Where do you see the houses falling into?

Just to add one name to Councilman Holzhauer's, I think we were talking with Candace Parker, but we realized our first Hall of Famer is actually an NBA referee, Danny Crawford, who actually went to the NBA Hall of Fame, I believe, last year. So add him to the list as well. Thank you.

Okay, Councilman White, may I have a motion to close the public hearing?

I move the pass ordinance authorizing the Fifth Amendment to the annexation agreement for Monarch Landing to release the age restriction for lot 1B and establish a process for lot 2. Councilman Holzer?

Second. Holzer? Motion and a second on J2. Roll call.

Councilman White, may I have a motion? I move to pass the ordinance approving a major change to Monarch Landing Plan Unit Development, a preliminary planned unit development plat with a deviation and a conditional use FOR SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED DWELLING UNITS FOR NORTH GATE OF NAPERVILLE. COUNCIL HOLZER?

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON J-3. ROLL CALL.

And item J3, passed 8-0. Item J4, Councilman White, may I have a motion?

I move to pass the ordinance approving a preliminary plat of subdivision for Northgate of Naperville and authorizing a naming of street of Candace Parker.

Councilman Allsaur? Second, Allsaur. We have a motion and a second on J4. Roll call.

Councilman White? I move to pass an ordinance granting a temporary use of marketing signs for Northgate of Naperville. Councilman Holzhauer? Second, Holzhauer.

We have a motion and a second on J5. Roll call. Roll call.

Motion passes 8-0. Councilman White, M1.

I move to approve the award of bit 26-124. 34.45-12.47 power transformer to WEC transformer USA LLC for an amount not to exceed $4,096,400 plus a 3% contingency.

Okay, we do have one speaker on this. Yeah, I see you. We do have one speaker. Mr. Doyle?

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DISCUSSION? We have a motion and a second on the table. Roll call.

Motion passes 8-0. Councilman White, M2.

I move to approve the award of RFP 25-030 Citywide Camera Access to SDI Presence LLC for an amount not to exceed $8,293,111 plus a 3% contingency and for a three-year term. Councilman Malzauer?

We have a motion and a second on M2. Roll call.

I'm sorry about that. Mr. Doyle again. All right, John Doyle, last time tonight.

Thank you, Chief. Excellent. You know, we've all had a lot of questions, and the topic of cameras has been out there, and, you know, a fair amount of misinformation out there, and I think there's a fair amount of rational concerns, too. And, you know, when I sat down and talked to you, it made me feel more comfortable, and we've had talks about this. It's like, that's great, but then I can't just go out to the public and say, I talked to the Chief, and it's fine, right? um you know i know that you run a department with integrity and um you know i think everybody does i think our police are gre

They're talking about doing an ordinance. Yes. So I don't, maybe that's something for council to consider or legal to weigh in. Does it make sense? Because, you know, I just don't, I don't think we've done a good job and I don't want to beat it that horse and just making the case for it, right? So there's a certain amount of public that's just like, I don't like these. I don't trust them. I don't understand. I don't know, you know, where my data's going. Is there abuse going on? And, you know, at the minimum, You know, publishing this information, you know, this presentation we'll put out and,

Thank you, Mayor. Yeah, I guess I had similar thoughts. And I know, Chief, we've talked about similar security or privacy concerns or issues and whatnot in the past about various things that have come up with regard to cameras and whatnot. And I guess myself too had similar concerns. I guess, you know, out of the 8 million here, the big number that stands out is 6.6, which is for construction and implementation. I guess without getting too much into the weeds here, I was wondering if IT can speak? Because I know some of it's for labor, there's licensing, you know, obviously the additional came

Okay. Thanks. I guess, you know, just similar comments to Councilman McBroom. Just hearing from residents where, you know, the contact, you know, me and others here about speeding or obviously the e-bikes and, you know, we've had conversations about, you know, patrolling 16 year old kids or whatever, but at the same time, you know, just in my head, I'm wondering if there's a way to reduce some of those costs to allocate to other potential officers, despite, you know, what people say against, you know, bikes or e-bikes or whatever. So, yeah, I mean, those are some of my, you know, initial thoug

Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, Chief, for the presentation. contextualizing the asks, right? You know, 2013 was when we had the system implemented. So I can certainly understand the update. I think for me, I have a few more questions that kind of echo some of the concerns already brought up. Number one, the expansion of 270 cameras. primarily for building and infrastructure security needs. I kind of would like to have more information. Like you mentioned Naper Settlement as one of the infrastructure, like what is the background around that? What are the needs? If there could be some more detail

Okay. And – the breakdown of how that would be distributed. Do you have those numbers? I apologize if you shared that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, great. The second question I had was with regard to the new tools of these cameras to be automated and AI governing. Can you elaborate what that means?

Yeah, that makes sense. Thank you. Now would only certain authorized individuals have access to the ability to do those searches?

Okay, and... You know, while I agree that, you know, the reputation of our city is held high, you know, I'm also thinking of those worst case scenarios where there could be abuses, right? And so I do appreciate the monthly review and the annual review and the audits there, but are there any models out there for third party audits, you know, where there's an independent body reviewing?

It's an area I'm interested in investigating more in. Because abuses can happen internally, right? And then if those are the same people doing the audits, then that's when we can run into some problems.

Councilman Syed. Thank you, Matt. Thank you. chief great presentation thank you for this and as you know naperville is one of the best police in the country and we all proudly talk about this thing you know how do we justify this 8.2 million expenses on cameras and my follow-up question is that do we have any other cities who are having these cameras And how much did they have spent? Did we have some record of this thing? And my third question is, as my colleague on the desk said, hiring boots on the ground, will that help us more, you know?

Councilman, your speaker. You want to push your button?

Sorry. What are the other cities who are using this? And last was, you know, having more police officers will help us to, you know, add this thing. Yeah.

One last follow-up question. Go ahead. So what are the risks we as a city will carry, and what will be the liability on the city for this? I'm sorry, my ears. What are the risks as a city? We will have it. And what liability we will carry on this? Any challenges?

He's asking about liability that would be potentially attributed to having a system like this.

Mr. DeSanto, maybe I'll ask the contrasting question. What liability do we have if we don't implement some of these security protocols in say our parking garage and somebody gets assaulted or something?

Chief, you're requesting 23 cameras in the downtown business district, CBD, most of those in the parking decks. My understanding is we still have a high capacity level of calls for service in those parking garages. Can you give us some feedback on will these cameras potentially help curb some of that? What those stats currently look like and what we might see if we have the additional cameras there?

Do you have an idea how many calls for service we get in the parking decks?

Thank you, Mayor, and thank you, Chief, for the presentation. you and I, and the whole team that has worked on this project. I know it's been a team effort across the city. You and I have talked about this topic for the last year and a half, and just kind of where on the spectrum of public safety and privacy we lay on. My guess is if we ask everybody in this room, everybody in the city, everybody has a different comfort level of what amount of privacy we're willing to give up for public safety. You know, I'm a parent. I could track my kids all the time, make them wear a GoPro. I don't track th

Okay, we have a motion and a second on M2, roll call.

Motion fails, 2-6. New business. Is there a reminder or new business for items this council is asking staff to bring back on a future agenda or for motions to reconsider past city council votes? Councilman McBrew. Oh, I'm sorry. Okay, seeing none, may I have a motion to adjourn?