City Council - Regular Meeting

Good evening. We're going to call the City of Orange City Council meeting regular meeting Tuesday, August 25th, 2026 at 630 p.m. To order. Roll call, Kaylee.

Can you hear me, Council Member Richardson?

Here, okay, we're all here. Please make sure that your microphones are in front of you and turned on so that the council members on the phone can hear you also. Okay, number one, absences. 1A, shall the absence of Mayor Kelly Marks from the July 28th, 2026 regular city council meeting be excused? I'm looking for a motion.

Thanks anyway, okay? I got all these notes on here. Okay. Invocation Pledge of Allegiance is by Mike Carroll, Volusia County Sheriff's Office. Please rise.

Thank you. Okay, let's try this again. One a absence is one a show the absence of Mayor Kelly marks from the July 28 2026. Regular City Council meeting be excused.

Madam Mayor, I make a motion to excuse you from the July 28 meeting.

I second we have a motion we have a second. Any public comment on this? The and none will bring it back for the question.

Yes. Okay, and the absence is excused going on to one be Show the absence of councilmember Don T absent from the July 28 2026 regular City Council meeting be excused.

I'm looking for a motion madam mayor I'll make a motion to excuse Don T. Amson from the July 28th meeting.

I second we have a motion We have a second any public comment on this? Seeing none, we'll bring it back for the question.

Yes. And the absence is excused. Moving on to 2A, presentations and proclamations. We are asked to move up 2B to above that, if that's okay with the council, for the proclamation of prayer above the stormwater mitigation. We just need a head nod from the council. Okay with that? Okay. All right, so we're gonna move on to 2B. I mean, yeah, 2B. Mike Carroll, Volusia County Sheriff's Office. You want us to come up there?

Just make sure you read into the microphone so they can hear you.

Wait, we can move up a little and put the tall guys behind us, right? You can do it.

Thank you all for coming. That was awesome. It's just nice to see everybody come together like that. Okay, we're going to go back to to a stormwater mitigation strategies presentation. Mayor Nancy Miller of Daytona Beach Shores is presenting.

Thank you. That's exciting, right, Council? Very much so. Absolutely. Okay, we're going to move on to 2C. Haven Link Proclamation is gonna be read by Vice Mayor Grimm.

City of Orange City, Florida proclamation, whereas Havenlink is a free civic technology platform founded by students at Trinity Preparatory School in Winter Park that guide prospective adoptive parents from their first question through the day a child comes home, and whereas Havenlink has never charged a family for its services and has served more than 1,000 users, connecting 200 families with licensed adoption agencies, and whereas Havenlink works with more than 30 licensed adoption agencies across 32 states and five countries, and whereas Havenlink holds partnerships with UNICEF and the Unit

Havenlink is unable to attend, is watching virtually, so let's just give them a round of applause. you so thank you so much Thank You vice mayor thank you okay we're moving on to number three citizens comments Daryl Victor Connecticut corner update

Thank you. Thanks for sharing. Okay, we have a couple other citizen comments, but they go to an agenda item, so we're going to hold off on them. We're going to move on to the consent agenda. and I'm looking for a motion for the consent agenda.

Chair, I'd like to. For B, regarding the ratify construction change order, I did speak with city manager because I wanted to try to better understand why that extra money was needed, and if it was found before, during, or after the construction, and it was something that they found during construction, so it's already been remedied. So I just wanted to point that out. So are we pulling that item to discuss it?

No? Okay. You just wanted to clarify? Yeah, I just wanted to clarify. Okay. So I'm just looking for a motion.

Madam? Madam Chair, I make a motion that the consent agenda is accepted.

Second. We have a motion, we have a second. Any public comment on this? Seeing none, we'll bring it back for the question.

Yes and the consent agenda passes. Moving on to number five ordinances first reading we have none. Number six public hearing ordinances second and final reading we have none. Number seven resolutions we have none. Number eight discussions and actions. I'm going to ask the council if it's okay if we move up the 8B to the top regarding the consideration of sponsorship requests for University High School Homecoming Parade and Pep Rally. That's okay with y'all? They had asked for that request, okay. All right, so we are gonna, Lizette Santiago, is she here? Yeah, she is here. Special events coordi

Thank you. Thank you. Okay, Council. Any discussion on this matter?

Are they going to allow parking at the school for people who want to watch the parade? Like how is the parking situation going to work?

Yeah, that was one of my concerns was parking, because I was thinking when we have it on 1792, they're parked in all the businesses all the way down 1792. And I'm thinking this is right around the football, where the football game is and all the parking back there. Can we speak to the principals?

I haven't met him in person. I think it'd be... Yeah, I just wanted to, if you could explain a little better where the parking's gonna be, because I know it kind of says on there, but it's, you know, where the football games are in the back, obviously, the student parking in the front, which the students are gonna take a lot of. Football's over here. Yeah, thank you. We probably have a pointer.

Hold on one second. Can you hear that on the council people on the phone?

housing development right there because I know we've had some complaints about people parking on the side of the road in front of their place and I know I haven't been back there to see but I know that y'all have changed the school boards changed like the loop and all that I heard it's very good by the way so I don't know how that affects the neighborhood there I know they have another entrance that was part of the meeting with the police and the fire department you know going in front of

I have a quick question. Go ahead. I just wanted for the record, Lucette, Santiago, did you say that the total monetary was, can you repeat that amount? Because I don't know if that was a typo on the agenda or if I just heard it differently.

Yeah, I'm seeing $4,610. So I guess the fee waiver that we're subtracting from that, is that what that is?

Looking at the agenda item, it says $4,610. So I just wanted to double check because it looks like that's the difference. Is that something that?

It's the $50 special event application fee waiver, so that might be what it is. It just needs to be subtracted instead of added. So that's what's on the agenda item. I'm looking at it now, and that's what I think it is. Is that the difference?

I'm trying to understand this. Okay so the balance doctor $1,000 of in-kind services and school is going to be responsible for that amount or can we do my question to counsel to you guys and to staff are we going to have the school pay any money directly to the city for that service go ahead

When we make a motion on this, do we need to clarify that amount?

The $3560? It's going to be $1,000 plus the $3560 equaling the $4560 in-kind services.

Sure. I'd like to make a motion to approve the sponsorship and special event SPC 07264590 for University High School 2026 Homecoming Parade and Pep Rally.

We don't have to say the amounts, we're good? Attorney? Okay. Okay. We got a motion. We got a second. Any public comment on this? Seeing none, we'll bring it back for the question.

Yes. And the sponsorship for University High School is approved for in-kind for $4,560. Thank you. Thank you. Shuffle in here. Okay, we're gonna we're gonna move back up to eight a adopt budget amendment resolution number 458 dash to six and approve work order number 360 dash to six with Jones admins and associates for SRF facilities plan for Rhode Island and industrial park flood improvements. Resolution number 458 dash to six Mr. Waters, please.

So I think it's great that you found a place to move the water, because that's obviously something that we all have a common goal with. And I don't know much about the water system as far as you all do, but you said that the industrial ponds, and is that off of Levitt?

So my only concern is that the borough pits on the west side of 1792 on French, right? And the west side has their own problems over there with some of the basins over there that are ruined businesses and houses and things like that off of Blue Springs, off French, all that area. So if we're pumping all the water from the east side of 1792, who's going to save the west side of 1792? Yeah. right i know we have to start somewhere but i know that in the past administration was like well you know maybe someday we can take um what's the pond where the lions club was marshall marshall pond right tha

Yeah, I was going to say that I know it's not going to fix it overnight. I know it's a good start. I appreciate the creativeness of trying to figure this out because it's a real problem.

Point of order, can we please move forward, please? We won't be here all night.

okay thank you let me clarify that's not a point of order when I have the floor and I'm asking questions on the agenda item thank you anybody on the phone have any comments or questions who's speaking

Okay, thank you. So with regard to the budget amendment for $192,200, obviously that's going to be in advance too because we have not gotten the funds that we were awarded, which was the $7,581,430 with 100% forgiveness from the SRF. We... approved this in November 12th. But so the 192, it will be put back into the budget obviously and it'll probably be a different budget year. However, I just wanted to know if we don't complete the facility plan by November 12th, does that jeopardize the money that we would get? Because I know we have to check boxes and I just wanna make sure that we haven't

So we will be making the November deadline has committed to it Jones has committed to it and

Okay, and then to piggyback on that, I was just curious if there was, a location that we provided them when we received these funds or if it was just this is your funds and you move forward and present us with a plan. It sounds like we're kind of moving things around a little bit for ease of use or what makes most sense as far as the topography for the city. Is that right, why you're putting those at the other?

It just managed the water on the road on Rhode Island.

situation to mitigate that we're doing it that way correct yes ma'am we're we're we're going to use okay yep i'm good so then my question would be do we have any monetary i'm sorry it's kind of hard on the phone i apologize a little skip but um anyway the is there anything monetarily involved already in the the elevation of the Rhode Island project that we will be just basically, you know, we did a study or we did a this and we did a that and it cost the city money?

Okay, perfect. Well, thank you. Gotcha, gotcha. Thank you for that clarification. That was a couple of the things I was concerned about since we are making some changes, which sounds feasible, but I just wanted to make sure monetarily that we weren't going to jeopardize anything or lose any money for the city.

Regarding tiger dams. Is this going to eliminate the need for those?

What's the pumping capacity of the pumps?

When do we think this project may be close to started?

Okay, so this is next year if we get hit this year Would what's our plan for if we don't have tiger dams and things like that? The county they said yes Okay At the top of the list or they said yes?

Well, the top of the list could be number five and we never get chosen and then our city's flooded.

Okay. Can you tell me again when the construction phase would start?

So now we're talking it could go three years, but I mean, at least we're getting started, right?

I hope you're right. Me too. I just said that. Okay. Any other questions, council, or comments? No? Anybody on the phone?

Yes, I don't have any more questions, thank you.

Thank you. Okay, so we are looking for a motion for resolution number 458-26. I'd like to make a motion to adopt. Madam Mayor?

Yes. Sorry, I would like to recommend the motion if there are no public comments. Do you call for public comments? I apologize.

So I want to make a motion to adopt budget amendment resolution number 458-26 to approve work order number 360-26 for SRF. F facilities plan for Rhode Island and industrial park flood improvements with Jones Edmond and associates in the amount of $174,694 and authorized the city manager to execute the work order and any subsequent change orders not to exceed 10% or an additional $17,469.40 for a maximum total of $192,163.40. I second.

We have a motion, we have a second. Any public comment on this?

Well, I think you already said what it was gonna do. We don't need to go through it again. You just went through that whole process that it's actually gonna help Mill Lake, it's gonna help Industrial Park, it's gonna help that whole east side of 1792 to move water for the first phase of trying to mitigate this problem, right? So I think that's already been answered. Is there any other public comment on this? Anybody? Okay, we're gonna bring it back for the question then.

Yes. And resolution number 458-26 passes. There's a delayed reaction on the phone if everybody didn't notice already. Okay, moving on to 8C, discussion and direction regarding the proposed fire protection special assessment program. Devlin Moore, finance director.

Can I ask you a question real quick? So didn't she already do this presentation at the workshop? she did and wasn't that for public to watch or no they had to come unfortunately the public workshop from what i understand was not recorded so they had to come but it was but it was noticed where people could come correct okay yes thank you

I just have one. Devlin, if we went to a system like this, how much would the ad valorem go down, you know, the trim rate?

I have a question, and I'm not sure if this is for you or Sandy, but you were saying that there's certain properties that would have to pay this fire assessment that are not paying now their taxes. Can you answer that for me? Who are we talking about?

But you have to be a homeowner to pay? So you could be a renter and have to pay?

Thank you. Anybody on the phone have any comments on this?

So I'm looking at the timeline for the next discussion and the differences that I'm just seeing on that is gonna be February 23rd, March 23rd and April 13th, it looks like. So those would be omitted on the, sorry, the expedited schedule will bring those things out, mail first class where it wouldn't be on the other trim schedule, is that correct?

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm looking at that right now. That was my thought process. And then the other thing that I wanted to speak with Accenture and just look at this, I know that I did some extensive research on this after we had our one-on-ones, each one of our council members when we did our either Zoom meetings or personal meetings with city manager and Ms. Sandy, I believe. And we were looking at the DCA, so there is one that is 2017, and that was City of Cooper City. And so I would say we need to take all of those things into consideration, and everyone needs to educate themselve

Are you talking about there was a challenge? Sandy's asking you a question, Councilwoman T. Ompson, about is it a challenge for the Cooper City? Yeah. Okay.

The Florida, correct. Right. Florida 4th CCA of 2017. It was City Cooper. City versus Joe. And if you pull that up, we should take all those things into consideration. The one from 2000 or 2002 and then 2010 and then 2017. I'm just saying they all kind of like work in tandem together, especially when all cities are kind of, you know, established differently and have different budgets and those kind of things. So we pretty much all be taken into account.

Right. Yes, there was a distinction between the two. And yeah, the original one, S&M Properties, rejected treating EMS as a special benefit while the other one integrated fire EMS together. And so that's where all that, when we had this discussion before about, you know, if it was a call that was supposed to be for EMS, but it was really not a call for anything whatsoever, it still got listed under there. So I'm just putting it out there for public record if anybody wants to educate themselves on it so they can have more clarification on that because I know that there's a lot of myths communic

Council anybody? Okay I think that we should do the February 9th thing like we originally said we went around and around but I got a timeline here May 11th June 9th June 23rd July 23rd July 28th and now tonight Like I said, beating a dead horse. We're not saying no, we're just saying let's just wait, see what happens. And I like the way that you presented it, Devlin, was we'll have more answers then, and it's safe to do that. So I think that that's our best route, and I'm just looking for a motion to support that.

Just for clarification, this would offset the ad valorem or not ad valorem? It would basically be pulled out and level off, correct?

So what would happen if we proceed with the implementation of the fire assessment fee? Yeah, fire assessment fee rather than wait until February 9th. If we go ahead and start the work on it.

It makes sense to wait until then. Okay.

I'd like to make a motion to return on February 9th, 2027 for an updated implementation presentation and consideration of acceptance of the fire assessment fee study.

Second. We have a motion. We have a second. We have some public comment here. Karen Stuckey.

I'm Karen Stuckey, East University Avenue.

Thank you. Any other public comment? Okay, I just want to make a comment that you know, we do have workshops and they are public, it would be nice if everybody would participate. So that we didn't have to keep saying the same thing here. And, and we can move on to other business, but I'm glad that y'all had the opportunity to see it again. And we'll move on from that. Excuse me. Okay, city manager reports?

Oh, sorry. Okay, we have a motion, we have a second. Public comment's over. Let's bring it back for the question.

Any questions, council? I had a couple questions and comments. I noticed that you're working remote from home, and I was wondering, usually that's something that you let the council know when you're working remotely, city manager. That doesn't sound right.

we do have some times that you were not there so i'm not sure what you're speaking of it just means i may have been off okay well the question the question is do you let us know when you do that or you do ask permission for us to do that because i know in the past the past city manager would always say is it okay if i take off today or if i work remotely and so so we know where you're at

And then the other thing I wanted to thank you for the organizational charts that you sent to us. We started getting them on Mondays. I don't know if you all have been checking them out. And I went back and referred back to May is when you sent your first one to us until the one we just recently got. And I noticed a big turnover in employees. And I know that way back when I got a lot of flack from people saying that I caused people to quit and things like that but when I look at these charts and I'll be happy to pass them around but it looks like we lost a lot of employees lately in the last t

I'm just looking at the organizational chart, and that was one of the positions.

so it seems like things have been shuffled from may and that's why i'm asking the questions to see because we don't as a council we don't know who's coming and going that's not our job that's the city manager's job to hire fire but what i see is a big turnover and i'm starting to question why i also noticed that john peters engineer services has moved to administrative offices and i was wondering why that happened if he's over with public works he works under my myself in either area and he's working under me at this point okay well we didn't know that so that's what i'm saying like we don't r

Well, I don't want you to think that I was pointing the finger at you was why they left I was asking why did they leave because it just seems like the departments were falling apart and I know that you're in charge of all the departments but just trying to figure out what's happening and then I like I said, I had a reliable advisement that it may it may not be what we think here and and so I just I have to have to say something because that's our job to make sure that our city is running and

I actually do have a question. I was looking back. Sorry. Do I have the floor? Go ahead. So I was looking back at some of our meeting minutes and sometimes I like to go back and just read it, especially when we've discussed this, um, the fire assessment fee in particular, because I want to go back and look at historical information. I know at one point I asked for meeting minutes that they were not done yet. So they sent me the whole transcription of everything that was recorded. And I just kind of read through that, you know, sometimes you get, um, you get texts that is just picked up and the

That would be amazing, because you are the You're the head of the fish over there at the clerk's office. I know there's a lot of public records requests and I understand that the meeting minutes may be kind of cumbersome. I didn't know if there was maybe something that you thought that could be a remedy to either or of those problems because it seems like public records requests and meeting minutes take up a bulk of time in the clerk's office, and now that there is three of you, I was just curious, is there, if you've gotten a, changing the way that you're doing it to where it would make it mo

To interrupt you there, so it sounds like some of these jobs need to be shifted somewhat. It feels like maybe you're saying that it's a little overwhelming on that side.

Yeah, no, I think once we get caught up, we can stay on top of it. Um, the, you know, I'm just putting it out there just so the public is aware of it as well. And so, I mean, these are the struggles and the strife that the clerk's office has as far as, like, what you have going on in your office and the amount of people that you have in your office. So that's why I wanted to bring it up. And also, I'm very excited to see the minutes and go through those because I do have some questions with the past. I know we can public records request, but why go through all of that? It seems very messy. So

Councilwoman Knight. You know I'm in technology and I know AI is not always popular but I think in this case and probably in several cases within the city government we have opportunities to utilize AI to streamline a lot of processes and help with those loads. It does require human intervention but AI does the bulk of the work. The human intervention comes in with reviewing the work to make sure it's accurate. and then you move forward.

I'm sorry, Councilman Knight, I can't hear you.

Uh-oh. So I was saying that AI... Is something that probably could benefit the city. It's an investment You have to look at the different types of AI tools that are available out there But I think that this is something that would benefit not just the clerk's office But probably the city as a whole when you have all these public records requests you have You know all these other minutes and stuff like that, AI can go in and read all those for you and it just takes human intervention to review them. So it's a very time-saving process that I think would be beneficial for the city.

Yeah, and to your point, I know that we just paid $6,000 for a chat CBT business model and it would just take a drag and drop into that and ask it to perform meeting minutes and it would definitely be able to take Everything that's been recorded and do that for you.

So we do have that currently so I appreciate that Yeah, and the way I understand it though that that is not something that's being used across all users or any Let's let the clerk go clerk city clerk would like to make a comment I

Yes, I just wanted to say, so it sounds like AI is not a viable solution at this point. It sounds like it puts a little bit more work into your plate, as it were. So thank you for that. Just wanted to make sure that we are getting caught up regardless.

Thank you. Councilwoman Knight? There are a plethora of different types of AI out there. So it's not just chat GPT. It's not just Microsoft Copilot. You've got Claude. Google has their own. You've got some that extract verbal interactions from video. And yes, you have to purchase them. But there's a ton of different types of AI out there that can be utilized.

Yeah, I was just gonna say, I like AI, but it's not reliable yet. It's still new, and I feel like what the clerk said is you still have to go back and spend the same amount of time to make sure it's right, because these minutes have to be word for word of what, they have to be correct. So if AI makes a mistake, then that's in our public record, and that's not going to look good on public records requests. She's already got enough. She don't need more, right? Right. So go ahead.

But you have to understand how to use it. So you have prompt AI. So once you teach it, it becomes very reliable. We've been using it at work. We just got a new AI update. That where I was able to go and bulk update like 150 user stories and we had two and two stories that were incorrect, but it's learning. So as I've done it more and more over the last several days, it's picked up, hold on a minute. It's picked up and learned. What is that absolutely necessary? So it's a matter of playing with your prompts when you work in AI and telling it what to do. You have to kind of play around with it f

Yeah, I just wanted to bring it back. My point was this, I was just wanting to get our meeting minutes caught up, and so that was all the point I wanted to make on that.

You can bring that back under new business if you want to talk about that as a discussion right now We're just we're on just maybe find out who's using it. That's it's working So bring that back when we get to new business and we can ask the council do that. Sorry to interrupt you. I Had a question for the clerk I had We had Way back when we had a problem with a conversation between me and Councilwoman Thompson with some words and I had went into the clerk's office to ask her if she had a public record for that. because it was brought to the council meeting as a discussion about, it was printe

Excuse me, attorney, can we have a point of order here? Because this is, it has nothing to do with. And I'm asking our attorney, as an individual council person here, point of order, can we move forward?

The commission rule that I feel is being violated is, it's personal. It's all personal. All this, we went over this for, it all started back in November. We're in, almost in November again. Why are we trying to continue to dig up find out when initially the clerk told them someone brought it in, drop it off at her desk, and left. So how is the clerk going to pull a rabbit out of her hat and say, this person brought it in?

I'm not asking her to pull a rabbit out of her hat. I was just asking how we would move forward with finding out how a public record became to someone and there was no public records request. And so this is city property and it was public record on a city device. And there's no other way that a person in the public could get that conversation between former vice mayor Thompson and myself unless it came through a city person. So that's why I'm asking, how do we find out that?

Attorney, I'm just I'm just trying to find out under Robert under the Madam Mayor, man.

has um stated a point of order she stated the reason and now as chair uh as chair i hear your point of order and i'm trying to explain myself that i would like to know how this got out to to the public because we have standards and transparency here and like she discussed she does the hours on end giving out public requests she has a a

Okay, so how do I find that out? That's all I want to know. Hold on, let her answer the question.

And and so I don't really consider a public record being given to the public as considered like a leak It hasn't been requested formally so it's if there's Attorney can you answer that?

Right, but this was not put out as a request.

No, I'm not asking anything. I want to know how it got out. That's all. Because it's... It's basically from a city device that was turned in from someone that's dead now. They're not here with us anymore. So who got it and who exposed it to the public for somebody to just drop it off randomly? That's what I want to find out. So I was asking you for guidance on that as the city clerk. That's all. I know you said you don't know.

Okay, I will forward this. Attorney and myself will talk further about it then I just wanted to ask if you knew where I proceed with this so we can move on. Councilwoman?

I think the reason, and I'm not faulting anybody, the reason that it's coming, it's just being presented wrong in how you do it. I understand what you're asking for. I believe if memory serves, the lady who turned that in got up and spoke at a council meeting and said she was the one who dropped it off. And I'm not sure her, I can't recall her name, but if you still maintain the... Record for that meeting? Or...

comments you should be able to go back and find that thank you okay thank you okay there's nothing else for the city clerk we'll move on to the city attorney there's a lot going on madam mayor but nothing for the group okay thank you you're welcome okay we're on to new business uh councilwoman darms would you want to bring up your new business sorry

So we just need a head nod and then we'll ask for a yes or no from the phone. Is everybody okay with bringing this back for a discussion in the future? Okay, and yes, okay.

Did I hear yes on both on the phone? Yes, okay, go ahead, go ahead.

Yeah, so then I would say if we are that much further ahead, and I don't know that you said that just one city is 300, but if we are that exponentially inundated with public records requests, I would have to say that there's a red flag somewhere. So we need to kind of figure out what's going on and maybe do some sort of investigating what records are being requested. And is it the bulk of it police? Is it fire? Is it city staff? Is it normal everyday business? Those kind of things.

Yes. Okay. This morning on Fox News, Mayor Avila from Deltona talked about residents abandoning animals in the city. They had their meeting last night, and the council voted unanimously to fine these people. $2,500 first offense, $5,000 second offense, $7,500 third offense. This will help with animals being dumped in the city. Is this something we need to investigate in Orange City? That's my question.

yes council you want to bring it back for discussion absolutely okay uh council women on the phone you okay with that yeah okay all right thank you thank you thank you any other new business councilman knight um i've had some conversations with some parents who have some uh

disabled and mentally challenged children as well as young toddlers who want to enjoy our splash pad because we do have a really nice splash pad that they're able to do if you're neurodivergent obviously you have issues with how you interact with those types of things and they're having problems with the water up and neurodivergent children which we do have quite a few of autistic individuals within Orange City and surrounding areas the parents after speaking with them felt like if we had a feature, a water feature that maybe showered down on the splash pad where those children and those toddl

Okay. Council, you okay bringing that back for discussion? Yes? How about on the phone?

Okay. Thank you. Any other new business? Okay.

council and mayor's comments any council comments a couple weeks ago city manager talked about it we went to several of us went to the Florida League of Cities and attended their conference and I just want to kind of give you what my experience was this was my second year attending from the minute we got there Up until we left it was non-stop You have session to session to session some sessions overlap that you want to go to you've got to decide which ones you want to go to It was three days and nights of sessions conversations We learned from other cities and talking with people who deal with

Thank you. Anybody else? Councilwoman Stafford?

Yes, Chair. I would like to... I would like to apologize to our residents, our city clerk, our city attorney, city manager, and the staff. We realize, I also went to a meeting down in, when we went for the Florida League of Cities, and the knowledge that you get, especially when you go in person to those ethics committee training, It was unbelievable, unbelievable. And city clerk, one of the things that he really, really, really went on about was our city clerk is not our administrative assistant. Our city clerk, along with everybody else, her major duties is to make sure the city is ran effic

There was also multiple classes on Amendment 3 that's coming up. There's a lot to this amendment. There's a lot of websites out there for and against how it affects small cities, large cities. So know before you go. You really got to research this amendment before you vote. Thank you.

Councilwoman Thompson, you got anything?

I do not, but I do want to piggyback off of what Councilwoman Stafford mentioned. I feel like we are doing our due diligence to the city when we ask questions and questions that they do have, whether it be on social media or face to face. And we bring that to city council and ask those hard questions, whether or not it's in your timeline or someone else's that's just something that we need to do so that's what i want to say to revive thank you councilwoman richardson nothing at this time thank you um i'll just close with um

I'll concur with what Councilwoman Thompson said. I think that some of us are doing that up here. Maybe not all of us, but some of us are. I really wish that we would say our city, not my city, because if we're gonna work together, it should be our city, all of us, not my city. That offends me, okay? Because if we're gonna work as a team, and that means residents and the council, then let's say our let's start with that that's one way to get started here because i would rather get things done and do that also and when i hear all the things from league of cities i remember saying all of you you

I just want to make sure, so I think there may be a misunderstanding of what council member Stafford was saying. I know when you say, she says my city, and you're saying you get offended from it. I think what she's just doing is she's explaining that she's got a personal stake in it. Right, right. But it's just the way I think maybe it's perceived. I don't think she meant like my city. I think she's making it personal, not just for herself, but for everyone.

Also, I'm saying is we've all been here whether you've been here generation after generation. I've been here 11 years I care about my city. I got staking it to whether I've been here three generations or one So let's I was just let's just say an hour.

Motion to adjourn, please. Anybody? I make a motion to adjourn. Second. All in favor say aye.