City Council - Regular Meeting

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Good evening. Thank you for joining us here tonight as I call to order the Pflugerville City Council regular meeting at 7 o'clock on this Tuesday, August 25th. I appreciate you all showing up. I'm sure there's some exciting things that we'll hear about on the agenda, but as we begin, I ask that you take a moment and rise with me as we recite the Pledge of Allegiance to the U.S. flag, followed by the Texas flag, and then please remain standing for a moment of silence. to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with li

All right. If you'd like to speak, do I have a form filled out by you? No, he's just my personal. You'll need to fill out a form if you wish to speak. Are you wishing to speak now?

The next person I have signed up to speak is Amin Aboudaoud.

Thank you. I have Craig Reinecke. Where's Craig? I've got you signed up twice for public comment since 4C is on the consent agenda. All right. I get 15 minutes, right?

Thank you, Greg. That is all I had for this section of public comment for items that are not on the agenda. Is there anyone else from the public wishing to speak during this time on items that are not on the agenda? Seeing none, Council, I will call our consent agenda. Are there any items that you wish to have pulled from the consent agenda? 4C. I heard 4C and 4E. That's Charlie and Echo. Any others? Trista, would you do me the favor of reading the consent agenda?

Move to approve the Consent Agenda. Second. I have a motion and a second to approve the Consent Agenda. Motion passes unanimously. That brings us to item 5A, that is conduct public hearing on the fiscal year 2027 proposed budget for the city of Pflugerville, Texas. We have Tracy Waldron, our finance director, to present.

So let's stick on that one for one second and what's great is that we've got people in the room so we can have this conversation. I mean, I'm just being real because we say these things and I don't think people really understand the consequences of that. So why would that be such a demonstrative difference for folks to use sales tax to reduce their rates? Why would that matter?

It's been a while since the last time I checked and I know it was a while ago but I think for Round Rock at one point Dell was half of their entire city budget just from that one sales tax source. So definitely different composition of sources of revenue for some of these cities.

And I'm glad the mayor brought that up. I mean, because Doug, and I see Jim right behind you nodding along, because he's right. We used to have this conversation about what's the importance of having a commercial to offset what happens with residential, and why it's key to bring those in because of not only Ed Vorn, but also the sales tax revenue that can be utilized for that. Additionally speaking, as you look at these properties as well, you see the significance of the ones that are built out, like Round Rock and Cedar Park. And so when you're talking about infrastructure, and we have that c

Well, much like I think I would imagine every city on that list has 1% of sales tax going to the general fund, and then it's the additional other one cent here that goes to support the ESD operations. uh our economic and community development corporation which is tasked with bringing more of these businesses to grow more sales tax many of them may not have those other entities that consume that that sales tax so i think cap metro is a another consumer of that sales tax uh allocation.

Yeah, and if you're looking at Taylor, there's that small thing called Samsung that is going to come through right there and make a demonstrative difference in that, as well as the University of Texas at Taylor, which will be coming online in the next couple years as well.

It is amazing how much construction activity generates sales tax as well. All the wood and steel and all the nails and tools add up. Absolutely. Tracy, I'm sorry.

And, James, to the point regarding the expenditures and the 17 positions reduced, let's just be blunt, swept, those aren't necessarily positions that we don't need, but given the fact of where we are with our citizens right now and trying to go ahead and be as conservative and working with them regarding this time period, regarding our economy, those are positions you just said right now we aren't going to fill, correct?

And with the Monarch, we have agreed to make sure that that is running at 100% cost recovery. Is that correct? Work toward that?

That's why I asked him last week or two weeks ago when I said, okay, these are vacant. Do we need those or are those just going to be swept up? And he said, no, those are actually ones you would fill, but given how things are.

Why is commercial business so key? Because we get that sales tax revenue up.

it's to support the general so the the way i always phrase that especially for the people in the room here when we talk about rights of way we talk about the the areas along the roadway y'all own that that that's property that belongs to us as a community so when a utility says hey we want to put our our lines in there we want to put our pipes in there our wires whatever they're putting in there they they have to pay y'all rent on that so they them paying rent is a franchise fee that then offsets the uh the cost of the taxes that you have to pay that goes into the city's budget uh because that

And Tracy, because the name is new, can you explain to the folks in the room what Red, White, and Boom is?

I just work here. That's our 4th of July fireworks event. Red white and boom.

I imagine largely that's a fixed cost, but there's probably a little bit of a step cost in there related to programming. So I wouldn't expect it to be exactly the same every year based on the hours, but probably pretty close. Right.

Tracy, could you tell people where we came on health costs this past year and why we used 8% as our trend?

And that's probably the most significant thing for y'all to hear about the public is that, I mean, we all know at home how much insurance cost is going up for each and every one of us. And the reality of the situation is that to get folks who are working in the public sector, they have to have a good insurance package. And if we have to reduce our package because of the issues regarding cost and issues that are going on in the market that are well beyond our purview, I'm trying to be generous here, then ultimately what we'll do is we'll lose folks to that because of what's going on with our pa

So I like the idea, because the reality of the situation was this, is that we said that given the economic reality for folks, we didn't want to issue a bond. If we're going to ask for funds, it's got to be something big, dynamic, that's going to make a demonstrative difference to the community.

Things that can show value very quickly.

And I've got to say that, I mean, if no one else is going to say it, I'm going to say it. Thank you, Doug. Because I think this is a very smart way to go ahead and see about shifting our funds on this. Because the reality of the situation is that, as you all heard, we need all this. There is nothing that we don't need. But how do we balance that with what's going on with our own pocketbooks at home right now? And so this way, we have a project that we're looking at. We're saying, okay, instead of doing this in Limestone, and you all know we're the busiest place in Pflugerville is at noon on a

So what I heard is you found a way to keep our budget balanced by moving it around and reprioritizing.

And I think, again, just it's a smart idea. We all know the new animal shelter, I mean, that has to be a priority of the way that Jonathan and Kim brought that up last time specifically talked about that. We've got to do something on that. And I'll be blunt. The historic colored edition has been one of the most dilapidated and underdeveloped and underappreciated areas in our community where the black community first started here in Pflugerville. So if we're going to do something, we're going to make sure that we're actually supporting that area and develop to where it is. And so I'm glad to se

So I do want to say I appreciate the creativity here. I still have reservations about removing the work for Limestone Commercial with Flukeville Farm based on the implication of a particular developer that stands to benefit if we don't do that construction. And like councilmember Mateo mentioned the traffic in that area is terrible. It's an area that is ripe for additional development and so obviously this is a discussion that we'll have to have Separate from tonight, but I still have reservations about that particular part of the plan And my reservation are the last two I'm okay with the firs

I am a little curious about the trail improv. That sounds like a yes and project. You sound what? No one?

I think the things that are on this list, I think some will cost more than others. I think that's a good list to start from, but we're probably going to want to reallocate within that list.

Yeah, and I think, you know, based on how far we think any one of these can do, if we really need to prioritize two of them to make meaningful progress versus splitting the money across all of these.

That sounds like a great idea. I think we should subscribe to that newsletter.

The animal shelter and the reunion park definitely seem like high priorities. And I think we need to make a substantial investment in in both of those.

Yeah. And I think that the reality is animal shelters that, just like we said, the different machinations that were brought up have a further help move back forward on that as well. Shane, we're not forgetting about you at Parks. You know how I feel about Parks over there as well. It's just, what do we do right now?

Make sure you give them a hug after this.

I would like to see some immediate investment in remediation at the animal shelter in addition to the planning.

Well, as Rudy says, Reunion Park has been waiting for the better part of a century, and it's also the smallest cost on that list. I think we can afford to prioritize that.

The only conversation is that, and Jonathan brought it up, and so I'll, again, I'll be more blunt about it. It was 4-3. So, I mean, what you're asking for us is to revisit that vote. What was 4-3? Limestone. Limestone was the competition we had. Did we vote on that? I don't remember voting on that.

I believe we had an ask right to come back with what that looks like.

I just want to remind that developer there are phone calls out there waiting for a call back.

I don't like when a developer makes a specific request that we don't do an infrastructure project to benefit them. That is a line that I will...

I think it's important to be very clear on that. The developer who we need to acquire property from in order to perform that investment and... complete that project and if that developer is unwilling to contribute property to that project and going to be adversarial in that process i'd rather them take on the burden of building it i agree i think it'd be fantastic if they do it i would like to see that on paper i yeah i was just going to say james james said i already said it so i'm going to repeat it

What's coming from their end? I have not heard back. I'm glad that's the discussion, but I want to see what they're actually doing to that, because at this point, they're going to do it. That's cool, but I want to see it. Do I want to see a contract? Absolutely. But I just want to see what they do.

So to that end, on these proposed items, I'm going to tell you to focus on the first two. If we want to leave it in like this until we actually have projects come forward, I'm fine with a budget amendment in the future, but do we want to change numbers there? Because it sounds like you've vetted out these numbers already.

I was going to propose we move the 500 from 1849 Phase 3 up.

Did you hear what he said? He said 1.3. I mean, yeah.

Well, you're saying we got $500,000 there for 1849. Go ahead and move that, and then the drum improvements.

would handle remediation, potentially additional for now.

He's burning a hole in your head while watching you right now.

Oh, sorry, I was talking about 1849, not the trail improvements. And I say that partially because our residents haven't seen the benefit of all of the amazing work that's been done in phase two yet. And I think it's just a fantastic way to let them start using that this year, over the course of this year. And we can put pencil to paper again next year on what to do next.

And you know, I mean, I probably have all of us, I probably use the parks more just because of coaching and everything else over there as well. And it's astounding what phase two looks like. Like phase two blows the water out of, and it's the reason why Round Rock is building, like I told you all, we had the conversation about, what they're building, because we're taking part of the market share with that. I know land doesn't get cheaper, but I think the reality is that, as we talked about and Shane articulated, even if we were going to try to do something right there in 2027, we're actually l

So I'd like to move us forward on this. Do we have direction? So one more consideration.

I think I would like to see that in a future amendment, see what we can accomplish on Reunion Park. I know we've got some other things on our plate related to that. I agree. So I'm going to say, yeah, Don't spend the trail money on day one. Sure. Day 25.

I think that's what the budget needs to say right now.

You could. I think I'm fine with the Councilman Coughlin's suggestion. I thought she was saying, yeah. Put that phase three money into the animals, at least part of it.

He's talking about reallocating within there. Go ahead and scratch phase three, put it in the animal shelter. And yes, the limestone commercial, in order to accomplish this, we recognize that that needs to be scrubbed.

Same practical input. But hold off on the, what we're doing with the annual trail improvement.

And that's the same way they voted last time. So are y'all okay?

If there's enough other people that are comfortable with it.

Because I'm going to make changes to the budget document. That's why I'm talking to this side, because these folks, we already know.

So we're bumping Limestone a year. We're moving forward with the Reunion Park ASAP. We're increasing the new animal shelter from one to 1.3. We are pushing phase three back a year, and we are not spending the trail improvement money on day one. What's your thought about when we move forward with the trail improvement?

Well, the reason why you said not day one is because... My expectation is later in the year it may need to be relocated to the animal shelter or reunion park.

So let's... Not until we're satisfied with those projects.

Let's keep our powder dry and see what comes back.

We are talking about unfunding it in this budget.

Just to be clear. I see what happens when it comes to a vote. Can we move to your next slide?

We got four at least. We got there a while ago. I don't have to agree.

Tracy, I do have one question for you then. The median home last year versus this year, how much can, and the median, of course, that's half of all properties, half of all homes are less, half are more. How much can they expect their taxes to go up based on this budget?

So the median home will be paying less annually? next year than they paid this year. That's correct. That's a great story to tell. Thank you for that.

That doesn't mean they'll see an increase.

It was $370, so they were in pretty good shape. This is a public hearing on the proposed fiscal year 2027 budget. At this time, I'm asking if there is anyone from the public wishing to speak on this proposed budget. You got one. You got one? Yep. All right, come on forward. You'll have three minutes.

No, I'll answer that because that's why I'm glad people come to these hearings. That was an idea that was floated. The reality of the situation is that they're at capacity, and they have their own issues, concerns. They went to a countywide animal shelter, thinking that they were able to pool the resources together to be able to go ahead and have a bigger, better animal shelter for everyone involved, and they're running into the same issues and concerns that you're seeing down in Austin as well. And frankly, for our purposes, and you know, what is it, like three to five percent of our cities i

2015? 11 years. 11 years in the making. Before my time. Yeah. So at some point, we've just got to do something. Sure.

Outside of remediation. Outside of remediation.

He did say two. Is there anyone else from the public wishing to speak on the budget?

I have a motion and a second to close the public hearing. The public hearing is now closed unanimously. This was only a public hearing tonight. So the next item on our agenda is to conduct a public hearing and consider approving the first reading of an ordinance with the caption reading an ordinance of the city of Pflugerville, Texas amending the city's unified development code chapter 157 code of ordinances as a zoning map amendment by changing the zoning of properties located at 1304 and 1312 Taylor Avenue. from Agriculture Development Reserve Zoning District A to a Single Family Suburban Zo

Second. I have a motion and a second to close the public hearing.

Would you like to speak on the item? Yeah. All right. You'll have three minutes. You can come up to the podium here. You'll have three minutes. If you would, state your name.

Sure thing. So I can tell you that the properties that are already built are what we call legal non-conforming use. They were built before we had zoning. So they get to stay. They get all the rights and privileges that they have currently. This would be to enable more people to build their homes and occupy the area, which I believe they're building, as you mentioned, on ancestral land.

Correct. I believe on agriculture zero, you could build a home on a three acre lot or some such like that. But yes, agriculture is also known as our development reserve zoning. So that is what anything that's annexed into the city goes into, call it by default. And then at that point in time, once someone decides what they want to do with that land in the future, we look at the comprehensive plan, we look at what they want to do, and we try to get them there.

Yes, they are asking for this so that they can build the house. And that property has been in their family. Forever? Forever.

If I may ask, is Judge Bennett your dad? Yeah. Okay. Let's vote, and I'll talk to you in a second. All right.

Thank you. Anyone else from the public wishing to speak on this item? All right. We already have the motion and the second. The public hearing is closed. This is also available for consideration. Approving the ordinance on first reading. Move to approve. I have a motion and a second. I have Rudy step away. Motion passes unanimously. That brings us to item 6A, discussing consideration to approve construction contract with Chasko Constructions, Constructors, LTD, LPP, by Chasko Constructing, GPLLC, its GP, and the amount of $3,174,744 for construction services associated with the TR 2501 Parkway

You had a question, and I just want to clarify, this does have, how much is the CDBG funding on this one?

$800,000? We're leveraging CDBG to assist in this project in this area. That's a really great use of funds. Melody, you had a question?

So what do we estimate that number to be?

Did I hear that right? That's about $400,000? Yes, that's correct. You know what you said?

You're saying when we annex roads into our city, they're not at the same level as our city standards? That's weird.

Jonathan, did I hear a motion over there?

Motion passes unanimously. That brings us to item 6B. Item 6B is to discuss and consider action to approve a master services agreement between Flock Group, Inc. and the City of Pflugerville for the lease of automated license plate readers, ALPR cameras, and licensing in the amount of $87,500 per year. I would like to open this item quickly. I have quite a few folks who are signed up to speak on this, and I do want to make sure that everyone has the most recent information available. When it comes to public safety, I mean, that is something that we cherish in our community. I know that our poli

When the time is right, I do think Chief has something to say.

I should also mention first, I do want to be clear, I think I received... I was going to tell you I received about 100 or over 100 messages via email about this issue, and then I checked my email again here just a minute ago, and that number has grown dramatically. Yeah, well over 90% of those asking for... this particular action uh tonight but uh i want to make sure that the citizens know that they are heard that i do read all those emails even if i don't respond to each and every one of them not every one of them has requested a response but there are quite a few of those and you're you're being generous so you know which is good because you're the mayor so i get to be blunt

This is crap. This has been crap. It has continued to be crap. And we've had this discussion for at least two and a half years now. I remember specifically coming back from Houston Tillotson. Mimi Stiles was doing an AI conference regarding what's going on with generative AI in general. And we came back and talking about cross-racial identification and that being one of the biggest issues that are happening and that's affecting particularly people of color, what they're looking at from there as well. You and I went back, we had lunch, we had a conversation about this, an expression of concern

Yeah, I think if you don't mind, I... Councilmember Mateo, like you said, it's not just a policy decision, right? So 24 hours ago, I had this great speech written. I was going to tear up all the loopholes and the risk that this contract was going to expose Louisville to and our residents.

They did it for me. Not necessarily now. I was going to walk through why we can't trust them as a company before this even happened, including six of the agencies that we agreed to share our data with who have had public reported instances of abuse and we still had them. They were still in our system.

And then beyond that, and the mayor and Rudy mentioned this as well, the enormous public outcry of this. So I'll speak to some of the numbers because I went through this afternoon and I counted. So Council and the full mayor, we've gotten over 150 emails from folks in the community. These are all residents. The social media threads have had over 400,000 views, over 2,000 comments. And I can tell you, you can count on two hands how many people were supportive and wanted us to renew that contract. So I cannot think of any other issue that has united. Quite frankly, it's more messaging and commen

And to your point, Jonathan, this is what's... She's in my words. What's really frustrating about this, and some of y'all weren't here at 5, I said 5 a.m., 5 p.m. We were having a discussion about why y'all don't hear us discuss things online. One of the things that we have to worry about is a walking corn. So y'all may not hear us Because we're worried about getting thrown in jail, as Doug reminded us. Fair. I thought I was talking about the fee that goes with that. But we read and see everything that y'all do. And we appreciate that from there. Not in a surveillance way. I love it. We pay at

Sunlight is the best disinfectant. And the only way you're going to go ahead, because again, you're the product. You are the product here. And the only way you're going to figure out what the hell's going on is by you being involved in joining a committee, a commission that has true oversight so you as civilians can see what the heck they're looking at here from that. That's the part that, I mean, she said it to you and we're going to say it to you back right there. A community has the right to decide how it's going to be policed. That is something we say over and over again, and it's flat out

I'd like to build on what you said and Council Member Mateo as well in terms of Sunshine. I don't want to gloss over the fact that it was a resident through an open records request that identified this issue. The city gave the data to a resident who did the analysis and found it. So that, I think, to your point, is absolutely why we need actual governance and oversight, including resident information. oversight. Just have to. It's not optional anymore. And I will also say, as soon as I heard about the situation, I contacted the city manager, city attorney, and our chief of police, and they imm

And we can't be surprised. It's a crap company that does crap things.

Not surprised. Once again, I just want to take this opportunity. I'm sure everyone's already said it, but thank you so much for being here. This is actually how advocacy and local government works. Your voice actually makes the difference. And again, I'd like to give a shout out to the city staff as well for taking immediate action on this um i'm so grateful for that um and the idea is that we are building public trust that's what this is really all about and so again thank you all for being here continue to come to city council on second and fourth tuesdays we want to hear from you thank you

Chief, did you have something you wanted to say? I'm sorry, you were at the podium. And I want to recognize that I understand this has genuine operational implications for you. This was a tool that saved staff time and effort, and it is no longer available. Can you give us an idea of where we go next?

And Chief, if I may be so bold, You know me well enough to know I will be. We need you telling this story to other people in law enforcement. It's one thing when lay people talk about this. This is something that you've experienced, that you've seen firsthand. Because you know what they're going to say? Mistakes happen. I'm so sorry. Wow, we're going to go and fix this. It's a bug.

Yeah, it's a bug. They launched a marketing campaign about how trustworthy they were two days after we postponed the discussion on this literal agreement. nationwide media blitz, talking about how trustworthy they are. And then immediately afterwards, we get this.

So we do, we need you to please talk to other people in law enforcement and let them know your experience here. Because this is not, it is not atypical. We have found plenty of ways. This is not atypical. And I get that it's... No one's going to say that it's not a helpful tool. We're not going to say that. But what we'll say is that when you have a horrible company that is advertised and worked for that's preying on people that you can't trust, what the hell, what downward ramifications does it have in law enforcement as a whole regarding community trust?

Thank you. I do have a handful of people signed up to speak. I'm sorry, David, do you have comments?

Chief, thank you for that. I know it's difficult. First of all, I want to say democracy goes to those who show up. And I want to thank all of you for showing up. It's very important. If you don't show up, you're ruled by the people who do. This is a very important lesson for all of us tonight. I want to amplify something that Councilman Kaufman said. I want to recognize For the particular individuals that gave me a lot of information and insight about this, Mr. Alley, Mr. Kreider, Mr. Cohen, Mr. Mitchell, thank you for the work that all of you did and for spreading the word and spending signif

Thank you, David. Like I said, I've got a handful or a stack of people who are interested in speaking on this item. I will call you up in groups if you want to come forward and form a line over there near the guy in the pink shirt. And if you no longer wish to speak, that's okay, too. But I'm going to invite four people up initially. That's going to be Nate. Is it Koo? Cook, Victoria Krause, Michael Cecil, and Alan Kreider.

If the four of you would form a line, and then when we get to the last, I'll call three more.

Thanks for being here, Mike. As Alan Kreider comes up, I'm going to invite Les Wall, Jeff Cohen, and Joshua Lambert to line up. Kreider.

Thank you, Alan. I do need you to wrap up.

All right. As Joshua Lambert comes up, I'm going to invite, I believe it's Mason Mikel, maybe Judson, and then Tyler Rothley and Corbin Black, if you would all get in line. Mr. Lambert.

Corbin, as you come up, I'm going to call also Trent Barlow, Jim McDonald, and April. All I have is April to line up.

James, did you feel like you got direction from counsel?

And April, as you come forward, I'm going to call up Maggie Spear, William Landon, and Cameron Puckett to line up behind you.

You are William Landon? Yeah, I'm William Landon. As you're getting ready, I'm going to call forward Samantha Birdwell, Scott Mosier, and Dana Azurin. I'm never quite sure if I'm saying her last name right.

Scott, I think you've got a unique perspective to share with us.

Thank you, Scott. Dana, as you come forward, I'm going to call Derek Miller. Lucas Meyer and Brian Boyd to line up behind you. Thank you, Jamie.

If you don't mind, I want to I want to. mentioned something that Dana touched on just for context. So the contract, the default contract that Flock is offering every single city and agency across the country includes a link to their website, to their privacy policy, that says things like their deletion policies, how long they keep things, some of the sharing. So things that are material to the contract, they can change at any time without notification. It literally says, we recommend our customers come read this periodically. That's no way to have a contract.

So for the lawyers in a room who learned four corners of a contract is the contract, that's not the case here. It's just utter crap.

Brian, as you come up, I'm going to invite, I believe it's Jan Everett, Colin Seaman, and Catherine H. Waddy. Line up behind.

All right. Did I have a Jan or John Everett? I'm going to call up another three. Christian Sevadol, Danielle Kaling, and Jess Ramos. If you would line up.

Thank you. Just real quick, are you Jess or Danielle? Danielle. All right. Sorry, was there a Jess Ramos? All right, next I've got Jennifer Barnes, Mike Siegel. I thought you already spoke. Yeah. Paul Lewandowski. And let's go ahead and get Doc Casey in line. Jennifer.

Thank you, Jennifer. Again, Mike Siegel, Paul Lewandowski, Doc Casey, and up next behind him, Lauren Rangel, and Brandon, I'm going to go with D, maybe Rangel.

You've got a few more to go here. Again, Brandon D. Let's bring up Mayo Castro, Antoine Muthi, and Tori Schletz.

You are not going to be a first grade teacher.

No, I am. I'm doing my best, but oh, I'm sorry. Tori did not want to speak. I'm doing my best. I didn't bring my reading glasses tonight. I'm sorry. Can you give me your name?

Sounds like another committee member. Sounds like it. Sounds like it.

All right. I've got... I'm going to read these... Anthlon Murthy, I believe, Mimi Stiles, Mark Page, Monique Blaze, and Sean Davey, if you would come and line up. If there's more than one of you here. Mimi, it looks like it's going to start.

Thank you, Mimi. I do have four people who have filled out a card noting that they did not wish to speak, but wished for their opposition to be reflected in the record. That is Jessica Robertson, Matthew Greidel, Carrie Davey, and tori schlecht uh one more time these four i haven't heard from yet uh actually i've got a few that i haven't heard from yet that was everyone that i had uh who had filled out a card was there anyone uh who believes i missed them uh anyone i did not call All right. Council, we have action before us tonight. This is just to discuss and consider action to approve a mast

Mayor, can we enter an executive session to seek legal counsel on this issue?

Sure. 10.09, we're going to reset to executive session. I think some other folks might take a break on the way.

I'd rather have it consensus. Or unanimous, excuse me. Unanimous, not consensus. Wait, you're all ready? Unanimous. All right.

Time is 1042. We have returned from executive session. No action was taken. We're returning to item 6B.

So here we are. We have a contract that's already expired. We have an offer for a renewal on the agenda.

Council, do I have any... Mr. Mayor, if there's no motion and there's no second, then we just skip on to the next thing, right?

That would mean that we no longer have a contract.

I'm definitely not making a motion. Is that actually enough? I know that's our normal procedure.

Is that really what we want to do here? I don't think that's enough.

I'm just saying that. There's this concept that you have to move to approve and then vote against, but that, in my opinion, is not final action. He's right. I need a vote cast in the affirmative if someone's going to make a motion. So if I need a vote cast in the affirmative, I need a motion to... If you all take no action, then the contract is not approved, right? The old contract is terminated.

Let me try it this way. Mayor, would you entertain a motion? Of course. Mayor, I move that we defund and disable, as well as notify our flock safety that we will not be renewing the contract?

Yeah, I mean... You okay with that, Mike? That's an action. We're not being an action. I get where David's coming from, but we need to take a vote.

And then a vote in favor provides for affirmative action that we have declined to renew the contract.

We have said that. And this is an action. So it gets around what David's saying. So just press the right button. All right. Everyone good? I hope everyone pressed the right button. Yes, they did.

Mayor Pro Tem I want to bring up something that you've been please do you want to or um yeah I thought it was really important to mention that um not all the flock cameras in the city actually are operated by the city and so I thought it was really important um as we continue to build trust with the residents to let you know that there's still going to be flock cameras in the city of Pflugerville why because they are operated by the school district for which we have no control over So while there was a big move today for the city to bag and tag, as we say, and make the flock cameras inoperable

So it's, it's, it's, so again, to be blunt with y'all, it's on y'all to go ahead and continue to make sure that this is completely out of our city with other governmental entities, with private entities, and your neighborhoods. Right. That's the only way, that's the only way you're going to have them completely out.

Any other comments? Thank you. All right, Council. We will move forward.

It's not even close to the longest meeting we've had.

6C is to discuss and consider action regarding the resolution of the City of Pflugerville, Texas, adopting standards for secure, accountable, fair, and explainable technology use, directing implementation, and providing an effective date. Council, we also covered this during our work session. Now you've had some time to digest a couple of the versions. Do we have action tonight, or are we looking for...

further refinement oh I'm so sorry I was gonna I was gonna make a proposal for us to discuss I would like to propose that we do go ahead and pass this resolution this evening however I recognize that councilmember Mateo has additional things that he'd like to see included I'd like to I'd like for us to work with staff in the city attorney over the next 30 days and either an amendment to this current resolution or an additional action to add those in but I also but I don't want to delay city staff being able to start implementing the guardrails and the rules and the oversight that we clearly ne

And my concern is specifically putting, making sure we're talking about audit, we're talking about the definition regarding what's required in a vendor contract. Because it goes down to the contractual obligations. And, you know, what the vendor can actually use with the data, putting those guardrails on there. is huge and significant. For my part, my concern is that we put a policy out here for that and then after that, okay, we're already automatically amending it from that. That's why I was thinking from what Councilmember Ryan talked about is that, you know, we get together this weekend, f

I agree that a lot of your suggestions are material and very important. I would like for us to pass this version of the resolution this evening so that staff can start doing things like inventorying the high-risk systems. Let's make sure that we've got everything covered, right? We know there's at least one other of these products that are in use in the city. I think it's worthwhile for us not to wait to make further revisions when we can start that work now. I completely agree that we need to come back because the other thing that's not in here yet that we need is our resident advisory board.

And even to the fact, so consequential decision, right? Like there are things that are defined, kind of sound like AI defined as opposed to, okay, listen, this is what the legal specific machinations are with these things. Hiding scrutiny, AI security. What does that mean under the applicable law? That's actually state law. Materials supports, et cetera. Yeah, and I know. I saw that under state law and then I was like, wait a minute. That's not... The way it was written. I was like, that's not the way and I looked it up and I was like wait Okay, so this is a under a of those things from that.

Even the definition of sensitive data, the biometrics, identifying information. system inventory, I tweaked a little bit.

So James over here is offering me what sounds like an appropriate compromise. And what he told me here, because he's whispering in my ear, is he doesn't want the goalposts to change. If we pass tonight and then we change it in a month or two weeks, but what he can do is go ahead and get started. Again,

Are there any changes, you think, to how high-risk is defined?

Actually, low and mid-risk is, if you look at, you saw me spell out low-risk, And why, what can be approved administratively or not? And I put it, what is that, page four?

I'm pretty sure that city staff is not going to approve anything here for a second.

We're not going to slide something in under the radar because we postponed it for two weeks.

I think that is appropriate. Now, I am going to ask, and I want to be clear about this, because staff has spent a lot of time reviewing this policy already. Who is getting together to sort this out?

They're getting together, and it's not wrong.

So you three, go get together, go figure it out. You know what you've already negotiated. Make sure... That doesn't come back.

Did you hear what he said? And I don't really want to engage staff for the final review until y'all are done.

I mean, did anyone else hear what Kim had to say? I didn't, I didn't. Do I need one of those shoes?

All right, we got it. She said a bell. Yeah, it was totally a bell. We got it. All right, we feel confident and comfortable on that. Okay. All right, then that, everything else on our regular agenda was completed during our work session. That takes us back to our consent agenda and the two items that were pulled. we're going to begin with item 4c an ordinance on second reading with cash and reading an ordinance of the city of pflugerville texas amending chapter 152 subchapter b roadway impact fees of the city code of ordinances to include approving an updated roadway impact fee service area ma

All right, having read in 4C, James, do you have any introduction to that? Mentioning that... we are keeping the existing fees at their current level in order to review and revise and make sure that we've got our projections correct. That's great. All right.

David, you pulled this item. What do you have? I pulled this item because I still believe that these numbers are these fees are too high and they're discouraging development. And in order to see if there was actually any I don't have an empirical basis for that locally. I looked at population changes in Round Rock, Georgetown, and Pflugerville, all areas in the same general vicinity, and roadway impact from 2020 to 2026, 2025 I think is the last date we have available in the data, if there's any correlation there. And sure enough, the city with the lowest, roadway impact fees. Georgetown had t

See, what's frustrating for me is that you know where I stand on this issue and why I'm sympathetic to your point. But I also can't say correlation equals causation, right? I think I do.

I know, I know. Eventually you have to think maybe there's causation going on. I get where you're going. This pattern isn't just these three cities. This pattern duplicates across space and time.

And so you know, you know very well how I feel. And I thought the fear compromise is what James is offering. Is that listen, we got a year. Let's look over it. We got to look at this, see what's going on, and then make a decision on it. I think that's the fair compromise. Because, you know, I mean, I've said it. You've heard me say it numerous times. Like, I hear this from folks who are trying to go ahead, you know, businesses and other folks for that. But he's saying, give it a year. Let's see what happens. And then let's move forward. I think that's a fair compromise for all of us involved w

And that's exactly the reason why you want to delay this.

I was actually going to jump in on that because my expectation is that staff, they know what the goals are. We've had the strategic conversation. My expectation is that they will continue working on this.

Yes, yes. And to that point, again, do we need to say this all, continue to say this? Staff hears us. Like, literally. Like, you and I have had this conversation. They have adopted things and adapted things specifically because it's like, all right, we get where council's coming from on here, which includes growth.

I agree. And I think we're all aggressively agreeing. And that's the point of what you're saying.

No, there is a challenge because one of the challenges that we do face is the idea, the whole purpose of impact fees. is ensuring that development pays its own way. So if we cut impact fees in order to encourage growth, we're putting the onerous expense of the infrastructure on the existing homeowners.

Let's talk about that. We have already put the onerous expense of growth on the existing homeowner. When we decided to build the new city hall, when we decided to build the new wastewater plant, when we decided to build the new water plant, those are the onerous expenses of growth. We've already put them on there. And we don't have any growth because our roadway impact fees are so high that people are going to Hutto or Round Rock or Georgetown or Travis County right outside of Pflugerville because it's cheaper. Capital moves, and it's really easy to move when you're deciding where to build a n

As long as you have access to water. Give us some strategic time on that.

So if we are locking up the water and wastewater and we're charging people an arm and a leg, they'll go to Georgetown. And that's what's been happening for the last five years. We're not growing. Georgetown is kicking our tails. We're eating their dust. Why should we let Georgetown make us eat their dust for another year? Let's do it now. Maybe half is too much, although half would be in line with where Georgetown was five years ago when they started its five years of explosive growth. Maybe we want to drop it a third, but not dropping it at all sends a message to the development community tha

David, you mentioned that Georgetown recently increased theirs. Now how do theirs compare to ours?

Now theirs are almost as high as ours are, but not quite.

And a lunch and learn is not it. Yeah, no. It's because we do it for 50 minutes. That's a strategy. That is not it.

So, James, my question is, is that, so you, this is, this is second reading, right? Okay. So you see, we, yeah, so we saw where this was going. What do you, what's the timeline that you think you can give on it? Yeah, you need action tonight. Absolutely. For You're talking about scheduling? Yeah.

So what's your expectation on future impact fee updates? Yeah.

Tell me timeline for this. When are we going to revisit impact fee? Yeah.

And I figure you'd work backwards. I'm assuming that's roughly 10 months. You know what I mean? Like he knows this and then we work back.

That's why, I mean, it's going to happen really quickly.

Yeah, yeah. I don't know necessarily. And some developers, and just to be clear on the record, some developers said they were fair, which was found very interesting. Well, you know which one they were.

More often than not, I have developers tell me that our fees are way too high, even though they're lower than most places they build. I mean, let's not ignore... Our development staff is too slow, even though they're quicker than everyone else.

We've had this conversation before, and I'd be remiss if I didn't say it. High impact fees impact... are small businesses more than anybody else, right? The big, tract home... They can take it. They can take it.

So, you know... Our totality of fees on a restaurant and a new build are over $100,000 in city fees.

Wait, wait, wait. And let's be clear, because since we're opening that door again... We need to figure out, and I know this is your predecessor, so I'll put it on you, but I explicitly asked, and I think we had an agreement, is that we need to incentivize the businesses that we want. I was told, don't do it through impact fees. We have other mechanisms to do so. I'd love to hear those other mechanisms.

And it sounds like economic development may be a top priority.

If you want to make it a third, I'm perfectly happy to take that friendly amendment.

Because making no change sends the you're not welcome sign. Not if you follow Melody is what we're going to look at. And it also causes the restaurant problem that Jonathan talked about.

All right, on this item, we do have a motion and a second, but we do have a member of the public who has signed up to speak. Mr. Craig Reinecke, do you want to come forward and speak?

Or more importantly, we need to be able to go ahead and get what we want here. Because if this isn't the way, that's fine. But David's not wrong in saying that we have heard that from somebody who's trying to bring a restaurant here.

Rudy, can you just say it the other way? David's right. Ah.

So this is a motion to cut the impact fees in half.

And Melody asked for discussion. Melody said for discussion. Melody seconded it. And she's right.

I am open to a friendly amount on a different number. But that's the number that's out there.

I counsel your ballot is in front of you.

But you're right. You're right. If I'm right, why'd you vote the wrong one? No, you're right that we need to incentivize what we need. We've got to do something. I'm just not going to throw a number out there.

Second. I have a motion and a second to approve 4C.

seven one what are you voting twice kimberly this is a motion to approve the item is written all right motion passes uh four three that takes us to our next item and they're gonna fix the study they're gonna fix the study what is four three four three

Yes. 4-3. 4-E is next. 4-3 was the last one. Just one more.

The first one was 6-1. I really thought you were saying 4-3. I was like, what are you talking about, man?

Item 4e is a professional services supplemental agreement with STV Inc. in the amount of $1,940,480 for additional schematic layout development, hydrology, hydraulic analysis, surveying, and project management for the extension of Melbur Lane across Willbarger Creek north of Pleasanton Parkway to Ashton Woods future development of Carmel East Phase 5. Plans, specifications, and estimates PS&E from Cameron to Pleasanton Parkway and bid in construction phase services associated with the tr 1906 melbourne lane project uh melody you pulled this item what questions do you have uh councilmember ryan

Can I pause for one second? Yes. Can we have more maps like this?

And that is a really unusually complex landscape there with all of the creeks.

Are you saying the higher impact fees spread across a lot of buildings? No way. What's the total length of the road that you're looking at?

So does the 6.8 miles include the 1,200? No, so those are on... We're looking at a total of about 7.1, 7.2. I'm trying to do math in my head. That's hard for a lawyer. Ran out of fingers. No, no, no. Metal art. So that would make...

one three that the whole blue area is one point one three that's correct okay i misunderstood and then all of the areas in orange are currently annexed into the city and they're part of the city no that's that's no no no carmel phase five is is outside city but uh isn't it i thought is out no because because two thirds of carmel is in one third is out we disagreed with a

Yeah. Is that a good way to put it? Carmel West is out.

Carmel West is in, but also we got another portion because we came back again. Remember they came back?

No, I believe they'll be paying a traffic impact analysis.

They will be contributing, they'll just be contributing through a less efficient method.

Yeah, so we had TIAs back then, which is what caused the conversation regarding roadway impact fees.

And this is the, and this is part of the conversation that we were having earlier when I said that, I mean, where Cesar and I live, I mean, we see the growth and like literally you have 80% of all citizens, maybe 90% have no idea that all this is happening right now in this area of town. Yeah. Cause they, they never got there. You better talk to your partner over here. Great map, by the way.

All right, Melody, were your questions answered?

Nah. Motion passes 6-1. What do we do? I believe that brings us to the end of our agenda. Council, have I missed anything on our agenda? I want to thank again the public for coming out to engage so eloquently and passionately. Time is 1125. We are adjourned.