Village Commission - Regular Meeting

Good evening, neighbors and friends. Mayor Rachel Streifeld calling to order the April 2026 meeting of the North Bay Village Commission. Madam Clerk, will you please call the roll?

I am here as well. Let's all stand for the Pledge of Allegiance. Okay, before we move on to the order of business, I need to take a point of privilege and ask you all to join me in a moment of silence. We need to begin by paying our respects to our colleague and my friend, Nancy Matea, the late vice mayor of Coral Springs. I don't recall exactly when I met Nancy, but I do know that I loved her instantly. She was full of joy. She had this energy that made you feel comfortable and powerful at the same time. Like when she was smiling at you, she was encouraging you to be absolutely great. She was

group because it has to do with PDRs. And then I want to pull for discussion item 11E. All right.

So 11A, you want to talk about at the top sort of in conjunction with 14 or after.

Wait, hang on one second. You said you want to pull 11E from consent as well?

Vice Mayor, you want to add a discussion item?

Yeah, it will be brief, discussing the early morning concrete pours.

I want to remove 14D actually from it. I don't know how I made it there. Okay. I'm misunderstanding. All right.

What about 14? We don't need to discuss it. 14D.

She talked to the village manager and got her questions answered.

Motion to approve the agenda as we just discussed the order. So moved.

Okay, we have a motion and a second. Are you good? Okay. Madam Clerk, please call the roll.

All right. So we're going to do presentations and then open forum, and then we're going to take 14H and then the development items. So Commissioner Acosta, I think that this presentation to the chamber is your item.

Thank you so much. Good evening, everyone. As you all know, we started a chamber here in North Village, and we're very proud of the service it provides to the community and all the work they've done. Tonight, we have two of the representatives from the chamber. If you don't mind, David and Kristen, coming forward. And they want to talk to you a little bit more about the chamber and the work that has been done. It is an investment from our town to have a chamber, and they're giving us their recap from the year and also what's coming up with the chamber. Thank you so much for coming tonight.

One of the things that is really cool about the chamber is that they're offering sponsorship opportunities that include membership. So there's a lot of value provided within the sponsorship. And they're also collaborating. You're collaborating also with our community center, Grand Opening, correct?

Thank you guys so much for everything you're doing. We're super excited about it. Thank you. Who's doing the presentation of employee of the quarter? Is that you, Mr. Manager?

She's coming. And then, Chief, we need a little bit more time for yours. You're good? Okay, great. Okay. Janice Rosado, ladies and gentlemen.

Victoria, that's amazing. Thank you so much. If you want to say something, you're more than welcome to, but do not feel pressure. Thank you. Okay, let's do a photo. Well, let's do them at the same time at the end. So, okay, Chief Moriega, you're up.

If I had known you were here, you would have been leading us. Yeah.

Is Deputy Chief Behar, do you have something to say also, please? Yes. Yes. Perfect.

Congratulations to both of you. We're so grateful to you. I'm very, very grateful.

We're going to do some photos with everybody. Sorry, guys. Just bear with us. We're going to move on to substance in two minutes. I mean, not that this isn't substantive.

Okay, so we're going to move on to the open forum portion of tonight's meeting. If everyone could listen closely to what I'm saying, these are instructions for open forum. If you're gonna make a public comment about the ELAD development, don't speak now during the open forum because the ELAD project is a public hearing and we're gonna open the public hearing. We want you to make your public comment as part of that public hearing, okay? If you want to speak about any other item on the agenda tonight or anything for the good and welfare of the community, this is the opportunity to do that. You'r

Okay. All right. Well, we're going to move on then to the first item. which is 14H, and this is a resolution of the mayor and commission of North Bay Village, Florida, approving an updated fee schedule for administrative services, building fees, and zoning fees, providing for implementation and providing for an effective date. This resolution comes from Village Manager Rolison, but we've had several discussions on the dais about updating our fee schedule, particularly on the entitlement side of things. So I think our county attorney, our village attorney is going to introduce this item. 14 eac

City Council Chambers L' Only thing is so much. City Council Chambers L' Before we open it up to the day, as I see the mayor mayor emeritus joined us, and so you have a an opportunity to comment on this item, Mr Latham if you want. City Council Chambers L' yeah did you want it yeah.

Thank you, Brad. Appreciate that. Commissioners, questions, comments? Okay. Would anyone else like to make public comment? Are you timing them?

Thanks, Graham. And I just have to respond because you and I spoke by phone yesterday and during that conversation, I reminded you that this fee schedule adaptation to 2026 reality, economic reality, the realization that the village has been undervaluing its incentives for quite some time, this has been in the works for actually at least six months. This item has been on the commission agenda at least twice. We've heard presentations from the economists that we retained to study this. Our village attorney has presented on this. We've actually had two, I think, discussions in the sunshine about

Thanks, Dave. Does anyone else want to make a comment? Okay. I appreciate the comparison that you provided, Graham. I think there's a really important difference here. I suspect that the 10 point something million dollar value for the subject property is reflected based on the sale from S2 to the current applicant.

Okay. One of the reasons why North Bay Village overhauls our zoning code back in 2020 is was to incentivize good redevelopment and to do so quickly. So in 2020, we drafted a code that would reward the developers who not just got their entitlements, but moved forward and submitted building permit applications because an entitlement is a completely different thing than a building that is certificate of occupancy and that is on our tax rolls. And our goal is to get buildings on the tax rolls. So by overhauling the code and incentivizing development to come online more quickly, we attracted all of

Guess you're all waiting for me to speak. Totally disagree with you, Madam Mayor. First of all, you have to take a look at the market. We have a project called Tula Residences. Thankfully, it is slated to finish by the end of this year. Started in 2018. They have half a dozen units sold at the most. They're working with their own capital. I realized that the values that we have posted there were to incentivize, but there was an incentive that you build within the first 48, first 24 months. It was done in increments. Shoma was one of the ones that this commission at the end gave in to what was

Yeah, for me, I think, uh, a 10 X overnight in community contribution fees, uh, it doesn't protect the city. I think it would, I think it would stall our progress. I think we've been, you know, having a lot of momentum with what's, with what's going on. I don't think, you know, I think this sends a message not to build here that, you know, that we're, that we're out for, um, everything we can. And, you know, I, uh, I'm with you. I don't want to leave any, you know, I think we need to make fair agreements, um, I think based on what Tony was saying, if we're at $32 a foot in our calculation and

Commissioner Costa, Vice Mayor, do either of you have thoughts that you want to share? Commissioner Darrell, I want to respond to something that you said, which is what about the additional mitigation and what about the other public benefits? I think we should at all times maintain the authority and the discretion to reduce a fee. So if the fee schedule calls for 10X, the commission can, in its discretion, reduce that fee based on showing of other mitigation amenities or public benefits by the property owner, by the applicant.

Thank you so much. Wow. let me just start by going over some of the things that we just discussed and how we arrived to this conversation today in a way. Um, Most of the fees that were discussed in the past as we're looking into new development always come to mind for the benefits that the community can receive, right? As our ex-mayor mentioned, the ship has sailed as far as new construction. It was not at least a favorite topic of the community until most recently. I feel like people are getting more adjusted to it. I moved here almost 20 years ago. When I moved here, I loved the fact that we

I just want to clarify that it is a formula. We are not dictating the price per square foot that goes into the formula. I understand. Do you? Yeah. I saw the presentation. The price per square foot is dictated by the value of the property, either as reflected by the property appraiser, or we could do competing appraisals. It's the math that we're asking to approve tonight, not a specific price. Well, I don't think this formula is working out then. I think the vice mayor wanted to make a comment. He hasn't had the opportunity.

That's okay. I've heard really good points, I think, from both sides. And there's a lot of things I'm taking in. One of the things I wanted to mention that was talked about here on the dais is that, and it's actually kind of seen here in the page that we got from you, is There's been differences in where we are today and where we were a couple years ago when Sunbeam Continuum were passed, Shoma was brought up. North Bay Village is very different today. It's a very different investment today than it was two years ago, four years ago, six years ago, or eight years ago when a lot of these project

I really want to caution the rest of the day as to be under the impression that by modifying the fee schedule in this way, we're going to shut the doors for redevelopment. I want to just sort of give a couple of concessions because I really would like for us to pass something tonight. We have talked about it multiple times. I understand that there's a lot that goes on up here and that we have a lot of things on the agenda and not everybody is going to be locked in to every item every time, but we have, we've had this conversation. And again, I know that I can be the overzealous one when it com

Tony, how does the formula that we have now compares to the Miami formula?

How they do the formula is what I'm asking. How does it compare to how we're being proposed?

Isn't the reason why our $32 per square foot in your example is so high is because the underlying property was $10.2 million?

It sounds like it's not why because he's saying that it's based on an average, not on a property.

That's not the same then. That's what makes it different. Correct. They're two different. It's not based on an example that we have. The formula itself is different.

Okay. Yeah. Okay. Madam Mayor, I'd like to make a motion to defer no later than August. That gives us four months to do the study. I'd like to know the properties that I mentioned that are all in par, that have all purchased CDRs, giving it the highest level that they can build, each one, depending on their location. What would it cost us? Or what would it cost them? So we can have an actual look at the increase that we're doing to them and how we're destroying our own market. Because what I'm looking at is we're destroying our own market. We're going back to having empty lots and being flippi

You made a motion, so I, you know, if there's a second.

I would like to second that. The only thing I would like you to add to that is that we also receive comparables from Coral Gables. Absolutely.

We can get all the comparables you want.

Well, no, it's a wave of motion and a second. Do you have a comment?

I have a comment. I just want to be clear that we definitely have to right size the fees. They're too low as we saw in the presentation comparatively to the rest of South Florida. And I think we're a much higher value community than a lot of those that were mentioned that already have higher fees than we do. So a right size is definitely needed. I supported, I'm okay with deferring it. I would like to, I would like us to address it sooner than later. I would like to make sure that developers are a part of this, the community is a part of this, that residents are aware of the conversations we'r

What month do we take off normally in the summer? Okay, because that could be also part of it, you know, a compromise to make it sooner rather than later.

Well, I said no later than that, so we can have it sooner. Better yet, but we have to also assign somebody.

Where were all of these suggestions and ideas during the two other public meetings that we had about this?

Well, the former public meetings only passed this formula through a three to two yes so i was one against this formula issue from day one and that was that one conversation it wasn't like we're workshopping this yeah and i think you know the formula

that you know reason i think you're all up here i think we want to see a fair value and a fair deal for all but i you know my concern is that the 2x putting us at 32 a foot is way over the average and i think it stunts growth you know i think if we're if we're even doubling or tripling that's that's a substantial increase that puts us in line with that 10 to 19 a foot Miami average. And, you know, I think that is a fair base to study. But, you know, on that, I still think, you know, if we're deferring the item to later, to get more information on this, I think that's, I think it's a big decisi

We need to start ripping the benefits of all of this construction, but it also has to happen. That's why we need to increase the fee. I just, I'm not in accordance with this current formula.

And it has to increase. I also think I like to take a personalized approach and look at each project individually and what they're offering to the community and where it is and what amenities they're providing because and where the height is and the density because it's not every project is equal. And I also don't believe in a blanket. Just cost increase. Some of them should be way more. Some of them should be more. It depends on the project, the development and the community support that's behind it. And it should be driven by that. The other thing that I've mentioned before on the commission

Basically, it's to add a fee, you know, have a pool of expert witnesses, if you want to call them that, and add a fee to the site plan approval where they're going to come in and evaluate the project and be able to tell you they're going to be making X amount of money on this project.

I don't know if we have the authority to, yeah, I don't. Obviously, the village attorneys will let us know how to do that if it's legal.

The thing is that these developments don't come as a whole. They're going to start looking at a fees before they even put together whether they're going to buy a property or not or do something with it.

Madam Clerk, go ahead and call the roll.

Can we assign a department or a person to do their study of all these properties that have received TDRs with the maximum height available to them what the project would cost? Do we know who to signal to get this project done, please? Is it going to be legal? Is it going to be planning? Is it going to be our village manager? We're handing it out.

The motion was made and that passed said, we're gonna study this more and have another vote before August. And there were requests made for all kinds of information. So I would suggest that any commissioner who would like specific information studied to send an email to the village manager and he'll make sure that that information is studied so that we have an item on the agenda in May if it needs to be deferred again to june we can defer to june but let's keep this on the item on the agenda so that we're not forgetting about it even if it needs to be deferred we can do that does that work i d

to do the study as I requested. If anybody wants to add to it, please do.

Yeah, I just want to make sure, you know, sometimes it's a little bit easier to articulate what you were looking for in an email as opposed to on the data. So, Mr. Manager, you can follow up with the rest of the commission to see if they have any further.

And please copy all the commissioners so we don't, everybody requests the same thing over and over again, please.

Well, I'm sending it to the commissioner to begin with. Oh, you are? Yeah. I'm copying all the commissioners, so they only ask you for the same thing.

Knowing you and knowing me, it will be out to the rest of the commission by 7 o'clock in the morning.

I got a hearing tomorrow. I'll be up. We're up. Okay. We're moving on. Speaking of hearings to.

Yes, absolutely. They're scheduled for public hearing today.

I understand, but do we have to discuss it now based on the fee schedule or can we go back?

The fee schedule was deferred. We're now going to hear the LR development applications on their merits, understanding that we did not update the fee schedule and that the fees that they're articulated in the development agreement are the controlling fees.

okay so this would be 13c this is a resolution of the mayor and commission of north bay village florida approving approving with conditions or denying an application by elad and bvlc to modify the site plan approved by resolution 2023-163 for a multi-family residential project on property identified by folio number 2332090010013, located at approximately 7913-7915 West Drive, consisting of up to 94 dwelling units and a 26-story, 298-foot, 8-inch building with requests to allow a compact parking spaces up to 8% of the total parking provided and substitution of one required large truck loading s

All of these things. Commissioner Acosta has a question. Thank you.

So if we decide tonight, because we're not ready because of the fees, and I don't want the old fees to affect new decisions today, if we say no to this today, it goes to the second hearing, do they have a right to reapply to this after we revise our fees?

I'd still be open to hearing the item, and there's always the option to approve with conditions.

All right, so here's where I become... I don't... Just because... You know, people weren't ready to modify the fee schedule tonight doesn't mean that the property owner should now be disadvantaged by having to delay his public hearing and all of these people who came here to make public comment about the application. Deferring a development approval should not be done without a really good reason. We can vote no on the project. That requires a very good reason too, but to defer them and force them to bring all of their consultants back next month and to force all of our residents to come back

The residents should be heard tonight, and it's things that we take into consideration, but the whole public hearing. I think we should hear it all. This is why I'm asking a question because it's part of evaluating what to do. We don't get to the public hearing unless we're hearing the item.

I understand. Public comment can't make comment unless there's a public hearing. I'm okay with that too. Okay, so we're going to do the site plan first. I'm going to let Tony continue.

Tony, if members of the public are going to make comment, they need to be sworn in as well. So let's try that again.

Guys, it's best to just get sworn in and then chicken out later. So please get sworn in.

I had a lengthy conversation with one of the board members at 360 last night. We talked about the project in great detail. And I spoke briefly with Mr. Penn yesterday as well. We did not talk in as much great detail.

I met with Mr. Jeffries, which is Elad. I met with Mr. Penn. Personally, I've met, I had a long conversation with Mr. Penn this morning and I received 28 emails that I answered from 360.

Same, received all those emails from our residents at 360 and I spoke to over a dozen members from 360 in reference to what was noted in the emails and answering whatever I could answer and take that also into consideration for tonight.

Okay. Similar pattern here. I spoke to Graham Penn and the LLAD team last week for 30 minutes over a Zoom conversation and answered all the emails from residents and then spoke to several others over phone.

Okay, let's go. I'd like to see the presentation on the site plan. I'm interested also in the TPLA application because of the relocation of the drainage easement. I really do want to drill down into the drainage. Do you have your civil engineer here, Graham? Okay, perfect. So let's do the site plan presentation and the TPLAT presentation, and then we'll hear from the applicant and the residents, and then we'll sort of take the development agreement like interwoven through that. Does that make sense at all?

Right? I mean, because you can advise on the specific terms of the development agreement as they are discussed in the context of those other things. Sure. Okay, site plan and T-Plat application. Our village planner, Craig Pinder, ladies and gentlemen. Why am I nervous?

neighbors, when the applicant is finished making their presentation, then we're gonna open the public hearing and that's when you'll have the opportunity to speak and ask questions.

Graham, does that conclude your presentation?

Okay, thank you, Graham, thank you to the architect and to the applicant team for presentation. Okay, so we're going to open the public hearing now. I'm going to invite anyone who would like to speak on any of the items, whether it's, yeah, Graham, just take it all down.

I would, I think if we start the commission discussion now, it could just.

These are the things that I would like people to hear before they make their comment. That's why.

Let's let the public speak based on the information provided by the planner and the presentation from the architect. Gentlemen, if you could move your easel so that the public is not obstructed, that would be great. Okay, so neighbors, now is your turn. Please raise your hand or come up to the podium. Jen, go ahead. We're going to HAB-Masyn Moyer- Instead of like if anybody is really excited about something that is said we're that we're not clapping there's no clapping in in village Commission meeting so instead. HAB-Masyn Moyer- guys, please stop blocking the residents view of the day, so you

Thank you. Who would like to go next? Please.

So thank you. Thank you, Renata. Who would like to speak next? Hi. Hi.

okay i know several of you very well who would like to speak next okay yeah i'm like i'm not i'm not roll call roll call good evening mayor and commission how we doing my name is john marshing uh i'm in unit 1206 in building a and 360 at 7900 harbor island drive

Does anyone want to make comments about the subject application? If you don't raise your hand or step up to the podium, I'm going to close the public hearing. Really? Okay. All right. We're going to close the public hearing. I want to open it up to the commission.

Why don't you let them also see the shadow study as well?

Sure. But not quite yet. Graham's still doing his rebuttal.

All right, I would like for the boards to be relocated to the side as we do the public hearing. I want to be able to see my neighbors. Okay. All right. We are, you know, on to commission discussion. So I know I have a couple of questions. We all received the same email from 360 residents. And I assume that someone is going to sort of approach each of those issues with the applicant. Who would like to start?

I can. Go ahead. Unless you want to. I just have a question regarding the connection to the island walk. And I know you mentioned it, but I didn't see it specifically outlined or how you plan to do that or how that looks. So can you detail that?

I'm just surprised that you didn't reach out to one of the commissioners who have been championing that island walk and let them know that you weren't going to be including a connection on your site plan.

Okay, but you can't build an island lot connection over a drainage easement. So it kind of screws you on the south side, doesn't it?

We can put a sidewalk over drainage, isn't it?

No, that was my question. Okay. I'll defer to the rest of the commission for our continued questions.

We can move on if something comes to your mind.

I mean, we all got the same email generally from 360 residents. So if we could go through that, the rest of the commission would like to do that.

We'll give you a second to pull them up. You can go.

Commissioner Acosta, do you want to weigh in? Commissioner Trigoni is giving me the evil eye. Oh, is that just your regular eye? I love you.

Speaking of this development, as it was approved in 2022. So we did receive a lot of emails and I spoke to a lot of the residents and there was a lot of misunderstandings on what we were approving tonight versus what was approved in 2022. So I just want to clarify these things just to be completely clear that This was already a site approval done in 2022. As of 2022, this was approved for 240 feet high, 94 units, 22 stories. There will be the same amount of green space, 13,292 square feet, 4,028 at the front yard. At that time, they purchased 22 TDRs. That's $65,000 each. They also received 89

It's the one that you have the actual view from the water site at the buildings and you see the rendering of the building parking lot. No, it's a smaller picture. It's a much smaller picture.

No, I think No, I think you had you had it you have in your hands probably one of the ones that you're holding first elevations.

You have it there. No. Second one that you have in your head. That's a shadow. no it's a graphic and the bottom line is that you see it in the pictures as i've just seen it is it that one it's upside down because you have a parking garage and when you look at the front design that you share with the landscaping it's very pretty but when you're on the water side i'm staring at a wall Well, it shows you the backside of the building, not the street side of it, but the backside of the building and how it hits right next door to 360. So I would like you to take that into consideration when you're d

But we also don't want to see a block of seven stories.

Yeah, I would like a design condition on how you screen that eastern facade of the parking garage. So, you know, on the Kennedy Causeway, we require those liners to either be architecturally screened to provide some type of public art, or to have a green wall and we don't i don't believe craig can correct me from wrong i don't believe we define green wall um you know i think that there are vines that you could creeping vines that you could that you could plant but i that there needs to be a screening condition there. At some point, that walkway will be open to the public. And it can't just be

Now, what I was trying to establish with it, don't think of it of the look and design of that part. I'm just thinking of the pedestal, just to give you a reference on height next to the townhouses. So when people are looking at it, I'm just saying to take into consideration what the neighbors are going to be looking at every single day.

know of that unit i understand that but you also have to do something that's compatible with the development of the building and you the people at i'm sorry that you're blocking the view they're not by the view that they currently have and and also i i just want to be clear because we got a lot of emails about this and every time i talk to a resident of

The 360 are frankly a resident of North Bay Village. I have to remind that person to be the bearer of bad news that when you buy a condo, you're not buying the right to control development across the street from you. You're not buying the right to control development next door to you. You're not buying the right to your view, the view not to have a shadow. or the right to be protected from the wind. You do not have those property rights as neighbors. And while we, as your commission, are here to protect you, protect the public, and to approve reasonable development, I'm not gonna be entertaini

Madam Mayor. Sure. Of the 28 emails that I received, 27 of them are exactly alike. Two of them, of the 27, start with resident email cheat sheet. Residents, please copy the email list and the template below. Customize the bracket information before sending. And then all our addresses. So it's 27 emails. times what management requested them to say. There's only one individual, and that individual's in the room and I will not mention who it is, that sent me a separate type of email with their impressions and what they're asking for. So is it the management that's talking or is it the residents t

I would like to add an additional condition to the approval that the garage, particularly on the east side where it abuts the 360 property line, should be screened with something architecturally approved that would be consistent if it were on the T6, if it were on the Kennedy Causeway. Craig, maybe you can give me a little bit of guidance here in terms of what that what that looks like, but I want them to meet a higher architectural standard, whether it's for screening with materials or with plants or whatever.

I mean, based on your doubling, look, I think doubling the points that you're pursuing in our green building program is incredibly valuable. And I'm very grateful to you for doing that. And I agree that the design of this building is by far and away so much more beautiful than what S2 had before us in 2022. There's no question. And I see obviously that your additional height improves these amenities and these open spaces and the sort of flow of light and air through the building. No question. I'm more interested in sort of the like mechanics of how the project is gonna work. So I wanna clarify

No, I want staff to respond first, and then you can add.

Perfect. Okay, great. Can you walk me through your loading circulation? I appreciate the traffic within the site circulates from north to south, because I think it'll pull people away from the congested intersection at the entrance to the islands.

I'm still not convinced that it works. An Amazon truck is really kind of small. What if you've got a full size moving truck, where are they loading?

I mean, that's crazy. But no, I mean a full-size – A box truck.

Okay, so you're coming in from the north entrance, and it's the same north entrance that is going to be used by regular vehicular traffic, right?

If I'm sick of the valet because they're too slow and I want to park my own car, how do I do that?

Do you have pedestrian passageways notated on your site plan?

Will you have a space for people to leave their bikes?

And from the street side for people that are coming from the street side?

Got it. How are you going to communicate between the north and south loading zones so that trucks know where they should park or where they should pull in right like i'm trying to envision a worst case scenario where you've got the loading zone occupied on the south side and you've got another truck sort of waiting to get into that loading zone and now all of a sudden i've got more congestion at the entrance to harbor island are you is there a way to control that to direct

No, and this is why site plan approval is the most important time because after you guys leave, I don't get to micromanage anyone. So it needs to be systematized on the owner's side because I am concerned about that.

yeah and like that's kind of why we're trying to be as crystal clear as possible as we condition the approval of this project if that is what the Commission decides to do because once a project is built and it's up to us to now deal with building management I think every person who's still in this room will tell you that that's a huge pain and it doesn't often work out the way that we would like

Yeah, I think efficient operations of loading is going to be an additional condition. Tony, I see you're nodding. You're kind of talking to me while Graham is talking. What do you want to say, Mr. Village Attorney?

Yeah, that that seems good. Maybe even till six. Again, like this intersection is particularly tight. We all know it. OK. You mentioned at the beginning of the presentation when you were going through the history of the lot that 7918 is still going to be staging there.

Oh, like, like it. Okay. They're not content. I mean, obviously, they're staging on 7918. Yes. Do you anticipate this lot to be used by 7918? I'm looking at Mr. Jeffries. Do we have any further agreement with them?

So they're not planning to do any submissions until it's a year from now.

Okay, why the 8% compact parking and how are you gonna manage that? Here's how I feel about compact parking. No one wants to park in a compact parking space ever. It doesn't matter how small their car is. Why would you want to park in a smaller space and be closer to other cars?

I'm so sad that you guys spent money printing that board because it is completely illegible.

That's appropriate. Okay. Traffic study. Traffic study. A lot of neighbors have asked if the traffic study was quote unquote cumulative in terms of taking into account projects that have been approved in the area for the last couple of years. Requests were made to understand how traffic on the causeway is going to be impacted by this project, as well as traffic obviously on West Drive and whether or not the traffic study and staff, if you could respond to this as well, I want to understand what we looked at and how we're reviewing the traffic. traffic study. Does the overall cumulative impact

And the question is really for the zoning attorney. I don't know where he went.

So Craig, it's on you now. Sorry. No problem.

Okay, so the answer for all my neighbors, yes, traffic study is considering all of these approvals and all of those trips. What does it mean to revisit the traffic analysis to ensure continued compliance? Is that a real thing? I mean, what are we gonna, is that a real thing?

All right, so this is something I'm glad that this project is directly next door to 360 because there are things that you guys can work together on. If this project is built and there's a board of actual human beings who run that building next door, it would be really helpful as we try to figure out how to redesign the entrance to Harbor Island to get cars off the causeway faster, to pull them from that left turn lane and get them onto Harbor Island faster, to avoid the bottleneck at the stop signs when you come onto Harbor Island, to avoid the bottleneck at the entrance to 360, to improve the

Okay, Commissioner Acosta has questions and then, sorry.

I had asked earlier about the 40 feet bonus that you're asking for today. Does that include the space you're going to be needing for the mechanical space? pieces on the rooftop, or is that going to be later on come back to us as we need 25 feet?

And for the east and west drive improvements is 130,000 that they covered in the last site approval.

And when do you expect the building to be done and completed?

It's actually, we learned, kind of like a $5.5 million question.

I mean, when should people be expected to see this?

So three years from now, we should have a new building.

All right. So first of all, what is the existing condition of infrastructure within this easement? And like, you can talk civil engineering to me, like what is underground in this easement? Do we know?

Okay. And so there would need to be coordination with 360 to move the pipe.

Have you reviewed the village's stormwater master plan for Harbor Island? yes we have and i believe there's actually some improvements being planned on west drive in the in the future as part of that master plan has our um cip manager reviewed this plan why don't you come around i'd love to hear your thoughts on this roger hogg thank you um will there be a new outfall no

At what point? Removing a pipe entirely and putting in a new pipe entirely? Or are we cutting a pipe and connecting it somewhere?

Roger, can you tell us about your review of this proposal? What upgrades are called for in our master plan and whether or not we will be accomplished, those upgrades can be accomplished through this?

I mean, I'm hearing what Jen is saying about her lived experience watching that outfall work. And I remember when it was improved upon to become a 54 inch outfall. It is a huge pipe and it needs to be that size. Do we know, I mean, the pipe was recently installed, like I think the last five years, right? Yeah.

That alpha was modified recently to increase the size of the pipe is my understanding.

Well, yeah. I mean, in a decade when we're done. But we're not moving on that anytime soon. Right. I mean, not not OK. That was a little harsh. I apologize. But the fact remains is that it is a significant conductor of drainage. And I am concerned about the sort of maneuvering of a pipe that's significant at a 90 degree angle when there is risk of things like sediment and corrosion. Remember, like I've I've dealt with. underground pipes that don't do what they're supposed to do and adjacent property owners end up being the ones to pay for that. Is this vetted?

But for us to maintain a pipe that is now increased significantly in terms of the linear feet of the pipe and it's difficult to get, it's maneuverability is increased. I mean, now the obligation on us to maintain it becomes a little bit more of a, of a task right and so that to me feels like an increase in we can't well no of course money but like we can't increase the impact feed just so that it applies to them going forward right i mean how do we how do we account for that additional maintenance cost to the village honestly mayor we have

Right. Again, the linear feed of the storm drain is significantly increasing and now it's not a direct from the drain to the outfall. There's a 90 degree angle where it's going around the building. So I appreciate that we have a backdoor truck. I appreciate that we have tools. I believe that there is going to be an increase in time, manpower, labor for us to go and maintain a drain pipe that is designed this way as opposed to the way that it was before.

The inlet filters protect at the actual street level. Yes. Okay.

Do you remember why you didn't want to do several 45 degree angle tones as opposed to, no, I'm asking the civil engineer.

I'm not sure what you're describing. It's still going to be a 54 inch pipe though, right?

Yeah, I would be interested. If staff could make a note when Durham comments on this T plot come out, I'd like to see them. My other question about this TPLAT is how did we miss this? And I'm talking to the village attorneys here now. How did we miss this in 2022?

Okay, several, this is not for you. This is for our staff. Several instances in the last couple of months where stuff that's really, really important has been missed in our review process, whether it is for public hearing site plan type of stuff or just the basic stuff that gets reviewed by staff before a building permit is issued. I lie awake at night and think about this stuff. And I really wish I didn't, I hate you for laughing. I really wish I didn't have to, but people come to me all the time and ask, how did this get approved? And I say, we have this process whereby when someone comes in

Just added the list of items on grocery line five.

All right. Does anyone have any questions on the T plot?

I'm sorry. Is this section part of the stormwater master plan area where they're going to be injection wells and possibly replace that completely? Is that why you mentioned it as a backup or no?

Correct. So this is not part of that that will eventually become a backup and not?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but again, I have to think about it as if that system doesn't exist for another 10 years. Look, I wish that I could believe that we're going to have a stormwater system on Harbor Island that is updated sooner than 10 years from now, but I've been on this dais since 2020, and we're going out to bid again for a new... You're an engineer. So it's just the reality that we come to accept.

It's also a huge money issue. We need to pay for all of that. It's going to take a lot of time to put it together.

Yeah. It's actually going to be probably cheaper. But no, I'm sorry. The public hearing is closed. If I can make an observation, there's another point I'd like to make. George, I'm so sorry. I closed the public hearing. Yeah.

So let's move forward. Does anyone have questions on the T-Plat or on the site plan? All right, we're on to the development agreement. If anyone has a motion on the T-Plat or the site plan and they wanna make a motion on either one of those two, you're more than welcome to do that.

I'll move to approve them with the conditions that have been stated.

We need one vote at a time, Commissioner. 13 C. That's the site plan.

The motion is to approve with the conditions that have been discussed. Including the ones that were added tonight.

Including the ones that were added tonight. Village attorneys, is that sufficient?

Sorry, I want to be really clear about that, because there are development agreements for island walk access that obviously have been ignored. So this island walk access, it's not shown on their site plan. I'm seeing the ground level site plan shows what looks like a paved path from the sidewalk hugging the building. Correct. Right. So are we assuming that that is the island walk connection?

This whole green space on the south side of the building, is that space being programmed? Is it just open space? Is there a fence there? Is it open to the public? What's going on there?

Are you putting stormwater features in this landscaped area, bioswales, rain gardens? Are there specific water retention features designed as part of that?

That's not my question. I see is in terms of the green space that you have there, are you doing anything to maximize that green space for your overall retention and drainage on the site?

Yeah, I'm not asking for swale. I think it would be really helpful for the overall site and for the coastal condition, generally speaking, if there were some type of green infrastructure thoughtfully designed to utilize that green space.

If you're going to have a pipe underground through this area, it would be helpful if you design drainage away from that easement area. And you've got a ton of green space here. And so I'm just trying to ask the civil to level up, be thoughtful about what all is happening in this space, pull the water away from the easement so that we don't have to spend as much money and work as long to maintain that pipe.

Does the water drain away from the easement?

Okay. So that 13,292 square feet of green space is private. It's closed out from the community.

So once, if and when this is built, your residents will have the exact same incentive not to connect the island walk as the residents of the 360.

No, I want to see the county review, particularly on the engineering side.

On that, I can second the motion to approve with the conditions.

What happens if the development agreement is not approved tonight?

I personally don't find it too beneficial to the community. I mean, the island walk itself, I mean, to close out the property the way it's closed out from the public and then still benefit from the neighbor's space, but yet not share anything with the neighbors.

I actually fundamentally disagree with Commissioner Acosta, and I'm going to speak on this. It is not our fault. And frankly, it's not the residents of the 360s fault that their property cuts off the waterfront access to this property. I, for one, am sick of walking past a vacant parking lot. A vacant parking lot that's been used as construction staging, that's been used as a trash can, where the highest concentration of pollution on any given day is right around that back part of the 360 parking and this parking lot. It will be... a blessing for this village to see this parking lot developed.

Yeah, I agree with the mayor wholeheartedly on this one. I live on West Drive myself, and I think, you know, that renderings from the lobby, I much invite walking by that entrance than what currently stands there. But I'm with you. I mean, I think, you know, why we didn't, I didn't approve the 10x in community contribution fees. It wasn't, I think we all agree that this was, that we're low with the 265 that was agreed. So, I'd like to see a reasonable amount of at least half, doubling it to at least a half a million and open to what the commission wants if they think that that should even be h

We can go with the highest of the most recent comparable that we received and still be within averages. This is what they're giving us.

You will remember when this came up in 22, because you were the attorney representing SB2 or SB3.

Basically, at that time, we were requesting contributions, donations, call it whatever you want to, towards Village Hall. And the S2 was vehemently opposed to giving Penny one. Yes. Do you remember that conversation?

Your client on that project promised me multiple times that he was building this project. And I know that your current clients are obviously different entities and totally different developers, but that promise was meaningful.

That he wasn't going to sell the property, that he was going to build it.

I couldn't tell you because the developer never spoke to me before going around. I mean, I met him at Pagani's opening. Pagani's reception. That's when I met the developer.

I can give you 90 days towards the donation of village hall.

village hall eligible is the 130 that is the community the additional community contribution that was proposed by the ministry the 130 contribution is towards a study that's being done by all the developers in harbor island to that 130 is to create a more harmonious entrance easier pathway, whatever you want to call it, a circle, a square, a triangle. Whatever you want to call it. That's what it's for. It's not towards Village Hall. We are also seeking funds for Village Hall from all developers and they have all contributed towards our new village hall that hopefully we're breaking ground before August 30th and we will have built by 28.

Yeah, let me also make a point about the village hall. In 2022, when this site was initially entitled, the cost for village hall was one thing. And in 2026, the cost to build village hall has exploded, you know, just because of what's going on in the world, right? So we are... very, very close, but we are not where we need to be. And The village hall is, we have to have village hall constructed to provide the level of service required for fire, life safety, and police responses in this village. And while we're tackling infrastructure improvements through other revenue streams, primarily the bu

Tony, is there any on-street parking impact with this project?

And that was under the prior development agreement. So it would make sense to continue with that figure, but applied to the seven.

Of the four that were... removed from the public use under the 2022 approval yes it was only two of them were variable in terms of what they had to pay for right correct so it really should be the in the last development agreement i see what you're saying there were there were two for the driveway and there were two for for the uh

That needs to be in the development agreement.

$350,000 plus the $250,000 is $600,000. Yeah.

Well, it was too, I mean, they said we were at $4 a foot.

right it's it's at the that's fair 50. just as it's written right now okay but then the doctor is asking something else i would like to see the 130 000 for the east and west drive improvements to actually go higher than there that leaves you with 600 plus per city hall i understand but not everything in city hall like We have no money for nothing else. Everything is thrown into city hall, every single penny.

But you need to put the money into city hall because you've got to pay for city hall.

I can back the commissioners $750,000 and get behind that if there's a majority consensus for that.

With the fees that we were receiving today as comparables on the higher side of those fees from Miami. Correct. So it still puts us in within the higher average of what we received today.

I think it puts us right in line with that $10 to $19 a square foot ratio.

And the text answer is? I don't know if we're comfortable with that.

Tony, can you do me a favor and move their easel? I hate when they do that.

The 282 is going to one pot. The 130 is going towards the development of that area for traffic. And we're beautifying the entrance to Harbor Island with that city hall. I need the 750. And we just saved you $2.8 million tonight. So the 610 that

You can call it whatever you want. I guess the answer is yes. You can call it whatever you want to. The answer is yes. I'll make a motion to approve.

Commissioner Cervone moved to approve with all of the changes that were disagreed to. Commissioner Acosta seconded the motion. Clerk, call the vote.

Yeah. The contribution fees need to be paid within 30 days of execution of the vote, right?

I think 90 days is reasonable and shouldn't delay our plants.

another question for you those seven parking spaces are valued at 50k that's from the original 2022 agreement that's true okay i mean my position is that i would value those parking spaces much higher today given all the development and lack of parking on the island and with this new project as well So 50K per parking space is too low for me today. Just in inflation, it's at 65K.

I'll let you, President, hear you talk about inflation.

But that's what we were discussing the whole increase to begin with.

Yeah, I mean, it's just too low for me. That's my position.

No, that's why it went higher. And I agree with Commissioner Trujillo about the 750.

Yeah, for me, I mean, I think the new projects are taking parking off of the street for most cases. In this case, there was no building there that it's replacing. So I guess that's kind of mute.

And you reduced a lot to this pot tonight, also.

All right, we have a motion and a second. Let's get a final reading from the attorney of what we're moving and seconding.

No, no, just the development, just the money.

The 282 is also due within 90 days, is it not?

That was part of the previous agreement that was due anyway.

The 282, I just want to clear that 282 high fee now Yeah. That's separate from the also 282 that was due. From last time.

Because in total it was going to be $564. They paid $282. They had a $282 balance. That's what I'm asking. Correct. It's not an addition to that. That remains the same.

because of the new height they have to pay to 282.

I understand that. I just remember seeing that there was a total of 564 from which they paid already 282 and there was still a balance of 282. So that went away.

When are we going to know the answer to that?

So we may or may not receive that 134 of the improvements of the entrance.

My understanding is that the way that this sort of analysis is required, we kind of know that they're not going to be able to meet it, but I want to speak for the village attorney. Yeah.

The mayor of South Miami says to take the night off. He's going to be done before we are.

Thank you, Mayor. What is the total community contribution fee?

And there's a motion. There's a second. Call the question, please.

Thank you, Mr. Jeffries, for his generosity.

I want to thank the residents for sticking with us and watching this to its conclusion. We're going to take a five-minute break so that everybody can know about and discuss, and then we're going to come back and get our heads in the game for the second half of this meeting. Five minutes.

Where are we going to pick up from the consent agenda now? All right.

We're gonna go, we're gonna get back to business at 10 p.m. All right, we said that we were gonna take up 11E. 11A. Well, 11A was pulled from the consent agenda by Commissioner Cervone, and now you're saying that you don't... Okay. Okay. Well, this item 11A contemplates, I think, yeah, I think so. This contemplates transferring.

Yeah. All right. So let's pull 11A from consent, but let's just keep moving through the regular order of business now that we've taken care of all that stuff. So approval of commission minutes. Do I have a motion? So moved. And a second. Second. Perfect. Is anyone opposed to the minutes? All in favor, say aye. Aye. All opposed, say nay. Okay, the minutes are approved. Do we have any advisory board written reports?

No advisory board, okay. Village Commission reports. Who would like to go first?

I can go. I just wanted to say, you know, I was originally very encouraged to see that our sidewalk, island walk, North Plaza, street paving initiatives are back on the agenda. However, raising, you know, serious concerns that, you know, how these projects have been managed, seeing the additional planning fees is more than frustrating at this point, but feel that we're a bit gridlocked as we come to this consent in order to move things forward. need to be complying. The bus shelters are set to be removed in August. So we'll see this project rolling out through the end of the year, which is a w

Thanks, Commissioner Darrow. Commissioner Acosta?

Sure. Well, first of all, I wanted to extend my deepest condolences for the family, friends, and our community for Coral Springs Vice Mayor, Nancy Metair. I'm very happy that you mentioned her at the beginning of the meeting. I also wanted to remind everybody that April is Autism Awareness Month. I have my little bracelet here, and I always offer our residents access to our services in any way that we can help and make this community an inclusive community, which it is proud to be. I also want to remind the parents that the YMCA registration is open for summer camps. And I'm very happy to see

It's been a while now, so it's time for a rant. Continuity. Continuity is defined as the unbroken and consistent existence or operation of something over time or a state of stability and the absence of disruption. In North Bay Village, we operate in a sense of discontinuity, the exact opposite. We work hard, and in the end, after a lot of sacrifice, we make it look good and fait accompli, and we pat ourselves on the back. But being realistic and totally frustrated, we need to do and be better. Since August 15th, 2024, the Village was shaken up with Ralph Rosado's resignation, and with it, majo

Considering it's late, we still have a couple items on the agenda. I'm going to wave my commission report. Thank you for the residents who came out to speak out tonight.

I just want to share a couple of substantive conversations that I've had with you all. First, not last Friday, but the Friday before, I was able to sit in on a meeting between the village manager, the sort of programming representative from PFL, who we're partnering with on the community center, and Lily and Janice. Janice and Lily? Janice and Lily. So they met to go through the operations agreement of how the community center is going to be run to sort of go item by item and clarify who was responsible for what, just to make sure that the existing relationship is consistent with what is recor

Heidi, have you received any communication?

When you say we do have to amend the operating agreement, what is being amended?

Are there going to be any changes to Exhibit C? That's the use of the fields and the courts.

Yeah, but it was negotiated that way so that they would have the revenue stream to support their investment.

It's just, it's not- No, my understanding is that if it says rent, it means the field is available to be rented, whether it's by North Bay Village or any other organization. The dedicated time for North Bay Village says North Bay Village.

On Exhibit C, where it says it's North Bay Village use, my understanding is we're not paying for that use.

If I remember correctly, any time it says North Bay, first of all, we have one quarter at all. One of the small courts at all times. That's gratis. And we have access to some of the other fields at a certain time, also gratis. That's true. Well, that's the way we read it.

We use those courts for our activities free. We have one field available for our residents to use at all times. The other times we have designated times, and we got the bad hours. Basically, we're under the sun. That's what we got for free.

The hours that they didn't want. That's not entirely true. Okay. The point of bringing this up is that Exhibit C, which shows how the fields are dedicated for use across Monday through Sunday from the morning until night. We do have one field every single day dedicated for our use. The problem is that our current soccer program runs on Tuesdays and Thursdays and it grows and it's not gonna be able to be contained within the one practice field that is dedicated to North Bay Village every day between 5.30 or 6.30 and 10.30. And so, if we are going to be in a renegotiation posture on some of thes

That's not the parks and recreation director. She's our community engagement director, but she's also the parks and recreation director.

I mean, have you spoken with him about consulting? Because I'm getting lots of messages from stakeholders. Have you and Chris had that conversation about what Exhibit C says today and how we might amend the soccer program to be consistent with that? Or are they sort of like, no, Exhibit C needs to change?

So you and Fabian are going through this sort of cleanup consistency review. Exhibit C is an exhibit to this agreement that you're cleaning up. I understand that changes to Exhibit C impact the school board's bag. Is that right? Like how much money the school board is making off of this deal is impacted by Exhibit C. Is that correct?

Changing the programming schedule would modify the Ties Agreement, correct?

Changing the schedule of programming for the fields, not the courts, the fields, would it require going back before the school board? I will confirm. Okay. Okay.

So for the current schedule we have here, we have Monday through Friday for the soccer club to use the 5x5 field for 6.30 to 10.30 p.m. And then Saturday and Sundays is basically the entire day, 8 a.m. to 10 p.m. And then the main field, the big one, the big field can be used from noon to 4 p.m. Commissioner, I'm just going to cut you off because this is my report. And I want to open up a can of worms here.

Well, I wanna just close it if that's okay with you. So Madam Village Attorney, if you will please confirm, because I'm not gonna entertain a comprehensive opening another can of worms on adjusting this schedule, if it means we have to go back before the school board, unless and until we are absolutely ready to go back before the school board with any changes. Cause we're certainly not gonna go back to the school board piecemeal, We're going to go back to the school board comprehensively. So please, let's get that question answered, put it in an email, and then I'll follow up with staff to fig

I want to be reimbursed by them for your fees working on this vertical subdivision. HAB-Juliette Boone, Truly amend the lease contemplate them paying legal for the vertical subdivision that's required to facilitate that lease. HAB-Juliette Boone, noted. Okay, back to my report. Congratulations to Lily and Christina. Spring Fling was absolutely fantastic, fantastic. I saw so many happy children, less happy. bunnies, but that's OK. We have a history in this village, at least for the last six years, eight years. Commissioner Trevone and I served together on the Sustainability and Resilience Task

Yeah, we stayed at Vogel Park picking up plastic eggshells for an hour. I mean, quite literally, just picking them up off the ground with our bare hands, you know, ourselves. And in most cases, we pick them up and we threw them away. But in many other cases, kids stepped on the plastic eggs and there were just microplastics all over our waterfront park. And so that's not who we are. and i would like us to rededicate ourselves to those principles and ask respectfully if our community events community engagement department could prioritize sustainability and think about it every step of the way

More of a statement. Okay. I would like to state that I am all pro all these seven that you have sent out. If in 30 days they have not opened, we should send our code enforcement officer to cite them. Not necessarily cite them in a violation that they must pay for, but let them be cited and let there be a record at city hall that we have cited them because there should be open and they're not open. And then we can, you know, there's, we're backing our own actions. for whatever legal actions we need to take next. I'm not talking about suing. I'm not talking about citing them financially, but I

I'm just trying to have the proper backup. So when we go to court, if we get to go to court, I hope we don't have to get to that point. that we have all the proper information, all the proper proof that we have attempted time and time again. It's not the first time. It's not the second time. Of course. It's numerous times. So I'd like to see that. Sure. And those that are, there was one that said that they're willing to cooperate. Did we ever find out what cooperate means? Give me one second. I have a,

I mean, if you don't mind, could you send us a quick email, you know, property, this property, this property, you know, so we'll know what's going on, basically. Yeah. Also, this that you were tasked with, I know you're over tasked, and you have several cities, we're not the only city. We had a sign ordinance that was discussed at the last meeting.

Elections are on top of us. Let's be realistic. We're lucky that nobody has filed yet. Nobody has.

And one other question. There's a legal matter with the North Bay Island pump station that you may not want to discuss publicly. No. No. would you at least send us something to let us know where we stand?

But you know, I know we have an attorney on it, but I don't know what's going on with it.

Does that conclude the village attorney's report? Okay. Mr. Manager.

There are things that you had for us tonight, but they're not urgent enough to actually discuss now that it's 1030. I'm confused by that.

No, I don't. Honestly, I don't want to reduce the amount of money that they're paying. They're leasing space in an area that once upon a time... Sorry, buddy. Once upon a time, we didn't need, but now we need it. Now we need it. Now it's like a really important entrance to our community center and fields. And I would love the commission's input on what we are going to do about the Treasure Island Care Center lease of those parking spaces. I would like for us to be able to have an actual nice entrance to the park there. including the ability for residents to park their cars so that they can go

In the south end of that parking lot. How many parking spaces are there?

I mean, I actually had asked the manager to put together an aerial.

He doesn't have it has 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15.

I believe I'm talking about the side that has the four spaces. I mean, right.

But that's going to be blocked by emergency vehicles.

Yeah, okay. That's towards the entrance of the Treasure Island Elementary, their nursing home. Those four.

It's all our property, but I'm trying to say, you know, we could take half of the property to create the pathway, it'd be fine. But the problem is the four that I see, which are in the picture in the top end. Are looking, I mean, I think that's the entrance to their facility.

You see the green awning right there? That's the entrance. What I was thinking was moving those parking spaces that are there forward, opening a path behind the cars for pedestrians to go through and removing the four parking spaces from there. And that way you still have space for emergency vehicles.

No, the emergency vehicles don't park there.

No, but they come through it. The vans, the companies that come and pick up people, the rescue actually parks inside.

Correct. And the same thing with the wheelchair access. Everything is right in front of the green on it. But if we were to move the parking just maybe four, six feet, maybe less, maybe less forward, you have the behind of the cars as a hallway. You see where the landscaping is, that wall? That could be one access. It would be a straight line from the street.

What's the building that has like a little pool on it? That's a property, right? It's a single family home. That's somebody's home.

Is there any space from where the cars finish parking towards that home that belongs to the city?

It's a property. All you have is that wall, the concrete wall.

Can you push the... Well, there's one place where there's two cars, one parked in front of each other. I can see from here. Can you push them more towards... Push them out by feet and create a safe... border for people to cross through the back of where the cars are parked now.

I mean, there's nothing about the park that I'm looking at right now that meets any type of semblance of the Green Book standard, right? Like, not even close. Not even close. Like, what they're doing here is completely illegal. Really? completely illegal and so i don't see us you know designing a different scenario that you know allows them to continue parking parking cars like that unless you unless you do a real border for the for the pedestrian path they're going to continue pushing all the way back into the parking spaces anyway Yeah, this is something that we need to resolve. We need to r

I think it's a completely reasonable ask, and I agree. Thanks.

But that means we lose the $3,000 a month. $3,000.

That's, no, no. Of course. No, there's still, it's not $2,000 a month per space. They pay $2,000 a month for the- For the 15 spaces.

But basically, they're going to be taking all the spaces and you're just giving them more. You can't charge them $3,000.

We can charge whatever we damn well please, first of all. And second of all, we're not proposing an exact- number of of changes right i'm just saying i'm asking staff to use the resources that we have to get creative come up with a proposed solution and bring something back to us this entrance to the field needs to be formalized as an entrance to the park and our residents need to be able to park there

Do I have three months for that? Of course, this is an important resident service and resident amenity, parking and an interest to our community park. It's very important.

Let's ask them for more information about how they're using their parking.

Well, also, this will be a good time to kick off our parking program again.

Well, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I don't I don't.

Well, I mean, yes, you can say that at some point in the next couple of months. At some point, community centers opened up. It's going to be a good time for that.

Well, the community center has plenty of parking.

It does have plenty of parking, but communities still should have over 30 parking spaces. It looks like I don't know how many they need. But I mean, there are.

Yeah, I mean, first of all, like how many beds are in that facility? How many staff do they have? How many people are like, what are the shifts? Are people parking cars and leaving them overnight? Have we done an overnight count? It would be awesome to get an overnight count to understand what, you know, maybe they are parking cars in that lot that are not needed for the operations of that facility.

We'll revisit it. If you could bring us an update in May, that would be great. Okay.

Okay, I appreciate all the work. Things are taking too long. I asked for this three weeks ago to tell me now that we don't even have a draft and that you're preparing the final numbers and that you're going to have something else for the next two weeks. I need to communicate to the public. We asked for a number of communications documents. We asked for a one pager that could be sent to people. We asked for something that was going to live online. We also asked for something that was going to live on social media. It's been three weeks. That's not acceptable. Please have a draft to us much fast

Okay. Madam Clerk? No report. Okay. So Commissioner Acosta, you were pulling 11A, right? From consent?

No, I have pulled it from consent and I have put it back, but you guys want to discuss it.

But we're pulling it for discussion. I would also like to pull 11D. And who pulled 11E? I pulled 11E. Okay. All right, and I meant to pull 11D, but I didn't. So I'm giving myself the benefit of the doubt. So we're gonna take a motion on the consent agenda minus A, D and E. Do I have a motion to approve the consent agenda?

All right. Let's do 11 D and E after we do ordinances and the remainder of public hearings so that we can clear this room a little bit. 11a correct yeah i so no you want to do ordinances first i i want to do ordinances and the rest of the quasi-judicial ones because i don't see anyone from grand vita here anymore dave left okay is anyone here for grand vita on 11a PB, Lupita D Montoya, Okay, great now yeah let's let's let's move on and do 12 a now, this is our use exceptions ordinance and. I'll just read it. 12A, an ordinance of the Mayor and Commission of North Bay Village, Florida amending s

Does anyone have any questions? What this does? How is it different from a variance? Who approves it? No? Yes? Going once, going twice? Madam Clerk, please call the roll.

Good night. 13A, an ordinance of the Mayor and Commission of North Bay Village, Florida, amending Chapter 150, boats, vessels, and houseboats of the Village Code of Ordinances by creating Section 150.22, overnight anchoring restrictions to regulate certain overnight anchoring of vessels within the waters of the village, amending Section 153.04, such schedule of fines and civil penalties to establish a penalty for violations, providing for separability, providing for codification, providing for conflicts, and providing for an effective date. This is sponsored by myself and co-sponsored by Commi

Commissioner Darrow is seconding my motion. Thank you. Does anyone have any questions, comments about the overnight vessel?

Madam Mayor, I have a question. Okay. And I hope I have it clearer when I was reading the ordinance. So it says violations are issued after the vessel has been in North Bay Village waters for 30 days plus. Warnings are issued 14 days after that, and enforcement and fines and matter prescribed begin 10 days later. As I interpret what is presented, it's issuing a warning on day 14. That is 16 days before the violation took place. And you wait 10 days to enforce it, it's still five days before the violation exists.

It says here though, 14 days after that, enforcement and fines in the manner prescribed begins 10 days later.

I mean, I lost my, I think we're at the whole thing right now, but, you know, basically. So I was questioning, you know, the way that I interpret it, and I'm trying to make sure that I'm interpreting it wrong. If they can be in waters for 30 days and you're issuing the warning 14 days after you've noticed it, let's say on day two, it's been parked there, you're giving them a warning before the violation takes place. You're giving them a warning, hey, a violation will take place. Correct. And if you wait 10 days to enforce it, 10 and 14 is 24. You're allowed 30 days. You're giving it before the

You must wait 10 days to enforce it after you issue the warning. That's 14 days for the warning, 10 days for the violation. That's 24 days. You're allowed to be there for 30 days.

If you see the bug park there, they want you to give him the warning. Doesn't say you have to wait all 30 days. You just give him a warning after day 14.

Do you guys need to bring this back to us?

I mean, I think he's suggesting that the way that the timing is worded is we're issuing a violation prior to the actual statutory requirement.

No, I think we should get the language right. Okay.

And we're in the suffering that I'll ask the commission who's responsible for the towing fees in the commission orders.

We think are reimbursed by the property owner, we have to go after it.

So one of the things that's going to happen as soon as we adopt this ordinance is our partnership with Miami Beach, City of Miami and Miami-Dade County will reflect that we have all approved these ordinances and that we can enforce. I've already talked to...

No, I know. It is a backup to what we needed to get there. I've already spoken to the new manager at the City of Miami and Commissioner Pardo, and I know that Sam has spoken to his counterparts at Miami Beach and Miami, and everybody is on board to work together to enforce this.

It says warnings are issued 14 days. Anytime 14 days, the boat is there. You can do.

Let's pass this on first reading and go over it again. This is second reading.

I mean, first reading was just a flip. Let's flip right through it. That's right. That's what we did.

Okay. Let's bring this back in May and look at it more closely on second reading. Okay. Thanks all right 13 be a resolution of the mayor and Commission of North Bay village Florida approving approving with conditions denying an application by harbor island development company llc for use exception to permit a temporary sales Center marketing office on property located at 7946 and 8000 East drive, providing for findings conditions, providing for an effective date. It says that this is the managers item.

Funny. No, that's funny. That was funny. Okay. Come on. Do you all, you know, I would imagine that our planner has a presentation. You can, I'm happy for the planner to waive his presentation. If the applicant wants to speak briefly. Okay.

Do you want to go to View Slideshow so it shows full screen?

Thanks so much. I have a couple of questions for ownership if someone wants to come. Hello, name and address for the record, please.

Thanks. When can we anticipate you breaking ground on the sales center? And from then on, when do you expect it to be open? And are you planning a public event?

And since we have you here, are there any updates on the project's construction timeline that you'd like to share with us? Congratulations on your shoreline review. Thank you.

Okay, awesome. All right, good stuff. Thanks. I'm ready to, yeah, my motion is to approve this. I second. Commissioner Cervone is seconding. Madam Clerk, please call the roll.

Do you want to stay over? We have a couple more things to discuss.

I know. We'll be at Happy's very shortly. All right, guys. Thank you, everybody. All right. So I know Commissioner Acosta wanted to talk about 11A. I do as well. This is a resolution of the Mayor and Commission of North Bay Village, Florida, approving a lease agreement with North Bay Village East Drive owner LLC for the lease of vacant real property located on East Drive and identified by folio numbers. 2332090010250 and 2332090010270 for the village's use for construction staging and operations during village hall construction, authorizing the village manager to negotiate and execute document

Excellent. Thank you. So I wanted to see if there's any, well, no, there is obviously any options other than giving TDR rights from Harbor Island to the site itself before it even goes through any development agreement or anything else. I understand that We fall into this every single time. We don't have money for anything. So we're trying to find money from wherever we can. I don't even know where this TDR situation came from. Like, how did it come about for us?

All right. So we have known for quite a while that we're going to need a location to stage for the construction of Village Hall. And the offer of using... Luis Navas slash Elad slash Grand Vida properties to stage has sort of been like floating around. Like they had negotiated, did it start before you? Did it start with Rosado? It's okay, but it started with you. Okay, so there had been discussion about us leasing their land for a while. And they were eager to sort of, make something materialize like a lease agreement. And we sat down in person, me, Frank, Dave, and Luis. And they said, whatev

I don't think we're ready to rebuild that park. I don't think we have the money to rebuild that park.

We don't have money to pay a lease, so no. But we have TDRs. But we have a land already. Waterfront land used for a dock park. We should use that land for staging instead of giving away or paying using TDRs to pay when we cannot cover an expense. Civic Park. The dog park area. Here's the thing.

You're going to get rid of this dog park?

I mean, I thought the... To save us money that we don't have to pay for a lease. I thought the residents... And you will make it closer.

For eight years that Connie Leon Kreps was mayor... that they needed a freaking dog park yeah the day brent walked in they gave us the dog park where city hall was you're gonna tear down the dog park now well let me remind you that i was sitting there picketing for that dog park actually and i can tell you and i can tell you that what it was and what it was and what that was

for a $5,000 budget item that was going to go a W whatever the channel seven site. I want to consider into the waterfront park.

I want everyone to consider the actual logistics of this. The dog park is much closer to the site than the property that we're talking about leasing. It's much closer.

It's painful. I don't want to give it up neither, but I feel like if we're talking about saving money, logistic-wise, it makes more sense.

I thought your TDR solution, now that I just found out that it was even yours, is a creative solution. So I thought that that was a good use that we're not coming out monetary. And I get where those TDRs are worth $150,000. So it is something, but they're only worth something if we sold all of them. So I thought the trade was a good, I was supportive of the trade idea.

Can you go back to them and ask them if they'll accept one?

So, I mean, that would be like a, We think we're going to be using that staging for two years.

Maybe we could do one per year if it takes us a second year.

Yeah. And the TDR, if I'm not mistaken, is for the property that is west.

And they're locking the rate for today for a future use. locking in the rate of the TDRs. Yes. They're getting a credit today on the value of today, not tomorrow's value.

So they're getting two TDRs. I would want to amend that to pay for the difference.

We're bringing more density to our variety.

I just don't want to shut down the dog park.

You don't have to shut it down. We have a new lot. First of all, it was never meant to be this ginormous waterfront park for a dog park. Originally, it was supposed to be a small area on an alley in the back of the school where we had the access before, obviously, way before all of these new plans. It used to be also Channel 7, where they had a space where people already were using for a dog park. And all they said was, as long as you can fence it and put in the budget, that was the fight to get a budget for the fencing. Then it became... to where we are now, right? And I just don't see how to

In prior conversations on this day issue, we're not here yet, Doris. That was supposed to be the Harvey Rubin Civic Park.

It will be. It's still going to be a park. It's still going to be a park. Once we rip it up to stage construction, it's going to stay. Exactly. It's going to stay ripped up until we can pay to put a park back there.

With no development coming and no taxation and no things coming.

With everything else that was going in there. Yeah, it's a good dream.

It's risky. The reason why I was drawn to this alternative is more so because of the logistical advantages of the dog park being closer to the actual site. The properties that we're looking at leasing on East Drive are farther down on East Drive. They're a little bit more than halfway east. down which means that if you have um you know like any any type of construction vehicle that's bringing materials to the village hall site they're gonna have traffic back up like as they wait for them to drive down east drive to get into that intersection so i just was trying to sort of consolidate the acti

We had a developer who just gave us a lot and gave us $200,000 to improve it. We can do the same again. Have somebody contribute towards that.

Well, we had that opportunity about two hours ago.

I'd give up the TDRs before I'd give up the park, in my opinion. Yeah, for sure.

We gave up the TDRs on the Civic Park, so you can never build it.

No, what I'm saying is I would be preferable to giving up the TDRs as opposed to giving up our park for staging. So would I.

Well, we have a suggestion for an amendment from the vice mayor to say if we increase the cost of TDRs, they do have to pay the difference. I don't know that they're going to agree. They're not going to agree to that because we could... All we have to do is increase the TDRs. I mean, that gives us all the power. Why wouldn't we do that?

Let's be realistic. TDRs are going up in price in the near future because we have limited number of TDRs. And when you have a limited quantity, you have to sell them for more money.

He was already given us a free rate to charge them for the difference. I mean, you want to give them the two TDRs, you gave them the two TDRs and you remove them from your stock at the price that there are now, which is 150. You can't sell it and say to them, if they increase to $200, you've got to pay me the $50,000.

Yeah, I don't really feel strongly one way or another. So I welcome, you know, someone to make a motion on my side.

I'll make a motion that we give them, we can offer them one TDR if they don't accept it, give them the two TDRs for the use of their lot for two years.

You did forward it to me and I did read it and I did think to myself, that's really not accurate.

Their position is that they've like lost the fair market value of being able to lease land. And I just take issue with that because, you know, they have they have held those properties for like a decade. And that's not me making that up. That is Louise telling that to me in person when he was, you know, when I first sat down with him.

So the motion is to offer one TDR, and if they say no, to offer two TDRs?

There is a motion. There's a second to the motion already, people. Can we call the question?

Okay. All right. The question is called. We have a motion and a second on the table, Madam Clerk.

All right. I pulled 11D. which is a resolution of the mayor and commission North Bay Village Florida authorizing the issuance of amendment number one to work order CTA 41.01 with Craven Thompson and Associates Inc. for additional design, permitting, and bid support services for the Treasure Island Mill and Overlay Improvements District in an amount not to exceed $115,160, providing for implementation and providing for an effective date. When I was looking over this item, I noticed that the North... half of North Treasure Drive was left out of the design for milling and repaving. Mr. Manager, c

okay i pulled this because i still think this is a really bad idea and i don't think we should spend the money to do this and the reason why is because it is going to be incredibly disruptive i think managing a project like this is going to pull our staff away from all of the other things that we need to be focused on our treasure island stormwater project is delayed we have to go out for a new rfp We need to figure out what's going on with North Bay Island so that we can build our pump station. There are countless other public works projects that are mission critical. And I know for a fact th

As we have said in the past, remilling our streets without fixing the underground is just putting lipstick on the pig. Throwing money away, actually. We did it in North Bay Island, and immediately, not even six months later, we had the cracks back. But let's be realistic. We promised the residents... Three years ago?

I voted yes to remodel the roads like three years ago as soon as I joined the dance.

It's been three years now. When are they going to do the work? I get that question all the time.

I understand. I think we just need to face it with our own neighbors and just come clean and honest. And this is the reasoning behind it. And this is what we stand by it. I mean, you've seen the results in North Bay Island. So why perpetuate a situation?

We resealed the roads in Harb Island and they look good.

Harb Island wasn't resealed. It was not resealed. It was a cover-up. It's not as deep. It's not like this one. It's a surface job. But this is a little bit deeper. And it looks good. Wasn't it a little bit different, Frank?

It's time to remill those roads in Treasure Island. They're terrible.

No, but there's a difference. I just don't want you to compare Harbor Island to this project because it's not the same.

Like I said, they were resealed. They weren't remilled.

It will help the developers, of course. And we can do something similar to this to certain areas. There's areas that could also just be patched up and fixed.

You know, the milling and resurfacing, and then you don't address the problems that are underground. Right. How much would it save us to just do the resurfacing, do what we did on Harbor Island? How much? What would be the difference in cost? Oh, it's huge.

The contract is for design of milling and repaving. Yeah.

Look, I think a big part of when we approved this three years ago was because we thought it was going to get done three years ago. And now it's getting closer and closer to the date.

Yeah, but three years ago when we voted to rebuild the roads, it was the same conversation. Oh, but we're going to rip them up in the future anyways. And if we had just done it, we would have gotten a chance to enjoy those roads for the last three years and probably for the foreseeable future as well. We did.

We did. It passed, and we were lied to over and over and over again by the village administration.

Nothing happened. Andy's been working on sidewalks for three years. Still not even close to being done. We're close. Can we use CITT funds for this? We're closer.

Does the money for the project come from CITT?

That's good. Do we need designs if we decide to just reseal and maybe patch up the roads on Treasure Island? Is that an alternative?

and and we and also the reseal i mean that basically makes the roads black right yeah yeah that's what we did i mean i'm okay with just doing that it was a hundred and something thousand dollar it wasn't much more than this planning fee when we did harbor island it's going to feel the same if you're driving on it it's still going to

It'll feel the same, but I like the way Harbor Island looks. May I ask how much money we have spent already on the subject of remelding or resurfacing Treasure Island? Can somebody give me that figure? Every time we discuss it, we spend money on doing a design study. Nothing happens. This is about the fourth or fifth time.

Yeah. I can't believe I'd be changing my opinion. I think, I think, I think let's go out next week and let's just seal coat them and paint them next week. And as quick as that contractor can get out there. I would love to do that.

If it's going to be quick and it's going to be in the next like month.

And with this money that we'd be spending on design, we can get the job done. I mean, for what we just want to see a quick fix now. I don't know. I like the way hard bottom looks. I think it looks, how would that affect the speed bombs?

design because that was another thing too that we're going to be changing the speed bombs on treasure island well i mean you have mentioned that i'm not exactly sure what is in your mind the design of a speed home well removing the ones that were put on south treasure which are very very uh uncomfortable to say the least um at one point we had uh the rubberized um you know like the bombs that just uh you can just drive over much easier and then that was part of the what i've been asking because people keep asking me and i and honestly it's really hard to drive through south treasure with the b

They're like... Well, the road pavement wouldn't change the speed bumps.

No, Greg, but I have mentioned to Frank about the current situation with the speed bumps. A, that some areas are missing speed bumps that were removed and not put back on it. And then the other ones in South Cheshire that were put on there are the ones that are like... I don't know how to describe them. You know what I mean? It's like this. It's really tough to go up and down. It's...

And some of the humps are missing. There's a couple that are missing.

Residents had to remove pieces so that they would drain down the street. Because that's what they did in North Bay Island.

Okay, let's try and get back on topic. I think the question was addressed. We can bring it up in a future discussion, Adam. Is that right? On the humps or the bumps? On either one. Okay. look i think we're talking about no no no not table this i want to talk about no no no i agree with you we're not tabling this i'm just i'm bringing it up now because we're talking about now the cost will be very different but the original cost but the answer was that we can we can address the humps and bumps and all that out of next month and two months it's not gonna it's not gonna affect this no not this i

I would like to know how much we spent so far.

I'm going to spend another $115,000 to plan. We don't need to spend this on planning. It's not $115,000. The $115,000 is for the current contract, the work order.

It's moving money from contingency to spending.

I mean, it's different if this isn't new money.

Why would we spend money if those plans haven't been delivered and designed? I don't get it.

If this gets approved, when would this work take place? Not the design work, the actual results.

at least that we have going on inconclusive. Sounds like it's inconclusive.

It wouldn't all be done at the same time. So we don't have the funds to do the whole remodeling of Treasure Island?

Now, the design, the remodeling, the actual work, do we have the funds for that?

Last I remember it was one point something million. It was going to come out of CITT funds where we have over two million. That's the last I remember when we talked about this.

Frank, is this one of those bills that has to be paid or can we move it to the next meeting so that we can actually have the background that we need? I would like to find out how much money have we spent on it? What is really the construction status going on? What is the expectation with it? And then we can make a better decision because I'm really leaning towards not.

I'd like to just see what was done on Harbor Island take place on Treasure Island within 60 days.

Yeah, I agree with Commissioner Dyer, within 30 days.

Yeah, that job took like a week to get done on Harbor Island.

To reseal Harbor Island, you have to A, put a bid out, and you have to see what it costs and see if we have the funds available. This is to continue the design of what has already been started, because we voted to do that portion before. This is exactly what I bitched about in my report. We keep designing, redesigning, and redesigning, and nothing gets done.

That's why I'm trying to scrap redesign and just go to action.

Well, actually, if we move forward with these design plans and we decide to just reseal and not remodel the roads, can we use these design plans in the future when we rip up the road? Yes.

That's what he's saying. At least you'll have a complete design.

Rather than halfway and nothing gets accomplished. Then this isn't a waste. Then let's move forward with this.

But the residents are not going to see any results from it.

Yeah, they won't see it, but it's not money wasted.

But understand, residents will not see it and the bitching will continue on Facebook. I know, I understand. You promised to remodel the roads and nothing has been done.

But we'll reseal them and we'll fix them up in the meantime.

Roger, if this work order is approved, how quickly can we start actually milling and repaving the roads? That's what he asked.

That's why I think we should just move forward and just reseal and do the cheaper route and save the money, and then we'll have leftover funds for these things and for other services.

Frank, I've been asking our staff through you for my entire life, basically, to show me a rendering or a conceptual or some type of schematic for Treasure Island Roads. We're not there yet. hypothetically yeah the ball the ball bouts would be removed in a treasure island roadway redesign scenario the roads i think those trees are planted at the park at the entrance that sounds like a great idea no i mean Okay, the Treasure Island bulb outs are part of the Treasure Island roadway redesign and and the full scope of the right of way is is open to be redesigned, because if we're raising streets, t

Okay, we can get to that at a later date. I make a motion to approve this item and let's come back next month and let's review the reseal quotes and see where we are.

11E, a resolution of the mayor and commission of North Bay Village, Florida, authorizing the village manager to submit a grant application to the Florida Inland Navigation District Waterways Assistance Program, WAP, for construction of the North Bay Village Island North Plaza project, providing for implementation, providing certifications, and providing for an effective date. Mr. Manager?

I've hated this project since 2010. This is the South Park and the North Park and the connector under the bridge. to connect both sides, which we're never going to see under the bridge at the rate we're going. That's number one. Number two, if we get an $897,000 fine grant, if I'm not mistaken, fine requires a one-to-one match. Where are we getting $897,000 to match it?

From the DOT? DOT is giving us $897,000.

And we haven't used any of the DOT funds to do what we've done already on the North End?

So if we have the funds, then I will look at it differently to finish the damn park. Because that's also part You raise your hand.

That I really don't mind because as long as we're getting our funds back and we submit it in a timely manner, and hopefully we have a whole new finance department that has changed a lot. As I'm looking at her, you know, we will be getting our funds back. So I'm not concerned about that. My concern is, A, the project stinks in theory. We have setbacks after setbacks after setbacks at the north side as well. We had to remove the sign. We have the new signage going in. We needed new seawalls. FDOT didn't like something and turned it all down and we approved it. As long as we have the funds, it do

You and I go back a long time. When this project came up, when this project came up, I was against the project. And I said, we're going to crawl through the underbridge portion. If you remember that. We have to go out three times. Now we're going to need to go out four or five because of high tide. I mean, the water levels. So they're never going to connect.

We also were promised to have the Baywalk at Bridgewater open once we did the North End. Right. We've stumbled with Bridgewater how many years? And they haven't opened.

Sorry to interrupt you. I need a motion to extend the meeting until 1 o'clock in the morning. And second? No. Any? Yes. Madam Clerk, call the roll, please.

Basically, what I was saying is I am extremely frustrated. Not with our employees. Our employees are great. All the employees we have now are excellent. But we keep on getting design after design after design after design. I'm sorry. I cannot continue to approve designs. You found where the money's coming from? I said, I can't go against the project. The votes were there. So, no big deal.

Guys, let's move on. 14A, discussion and possible action regarding the June commission meeting schedule and selection of the summer recess month. So I emailed everyone asking, or well, I think I emailed everyone letting you know that I am... like getting crazy and taking off 10 days in the middle of June to go to a wedding in Alaska. I will be in Alaska from June 12th to June 22nd. I have never missed a village commission meeting since I was elected in 2020. I do not want to miss a village commission meeting. I have all the confidence in the world that the vice mayor will run a great meeting,

I can't that week and I remember yeah I understand your pain I felt the same way last year in June and I had to do my Zoom during my vacation because it couldn't be rescheduled I remember so I feel your pain I just can't that week I'm also out that is our vacation that I did do also

I'm indifferent here. So go around if you guys want to do is be assume again.

Yeah, I would like to move the commission meeting to Tuesday, June 9th. And I'd be happy to sign proclamations or, you know, get everything prepped and ready for June 17th, which commissioner, I really am devastated that I'm not going to be able to attend the event. There's just nothing I can do about it, obviously. But look, Commissioner, not to say I'm more important than you, but I am still in your absence. I really would appreciate it if I could chair the June meeting. There are issues that are coming before us that I want to weigh in on, and I would really appreciate your guys' flexibilit

I told you that I'd give in. Up to you guys, you guys, whatever you guys want to do. I don't feel strongly about it one way or the other.

Well, all right. So I'm going to make a motion to move the June meeting to June 9th. As far as the summer recess month, I mean, I don't know what staff is planning for our budget conversations. I mean, we, you know, budget workshops need to happen, and I don't know when they're planning to be scheduled.

Missing a budget workshop is not great, but it's not as consequential as missing a commission meeting.

I can tell I can tell Doris is upset by this. Can we look at the third week of June? Is that better for everybody?

Well, I'm leaving June 12. And I'm not coming coming back until June 22.

Oh, I thought that's a Monday. June 12. 20 seconds on Monday.

I'm fine with that. The 23rd. June 23rd. Yeah, we need to reschedule sustainability, but that's fine with me.

You happy with that, Commissioner Acosta?

Yeah, I don't want to miss it. I don't want another June where I'm going to be assumed. So yeah, I appreciate that.

I'm trying to double check. Can we move the budget workshop to the 25th? Yeah.

Yeah, it's after midnight. And frankly, like people lose steam, lose focus. It's like, I don't think it's great for staff morale, no matter what food we order. And, you know, I appreciate the public. But yeah, June 23rd and June 25th would be great. Yeah. Motion to move the June commission meeting to the 23rd and the first budget workshop to June 25th.

Thank you, everyone. Commissioner Acosta, no disrespect. 14B, discussion and possible action regarding the designation.

Right, the recess. What does that do to me? Oh, the whole, I'm, you know, you missing it versus me missing it. No, no.

I know where you're going with that. I'm just thinking that I don't want to do another Zoom in the middle of a vacation. It was really hard last time.