City Commission - Regular Meeting

Good morning. Good morning. We're getting settled for some... Good morning. Good morning. We're getting settled. Thanks. Well, good morning, everyone. Welcome to almost the end of July. I hope between maybe some summer celebrations and summer camps and that you're enjoying the summer. This morning, as we begin this commission meeting, we have a number of important recognitions. First, we are going, do we have, is Commissioner Gabella in the house? We're missing our, I know Commissioner Gabella wants to be here for this particular one, but Eddie, can I start with the songs? Is that an option? W

Okay, so every now and then it's another COVID silver lining. There weren't many, but this was one. So I think we should hear a little bit of each song. So which one do we want to start with, Taylor? Roomba. Roomba.

All right, so tell us, where can we find this Roomba?

All right, you got that? Elevated 305. All right, and so now we're moving on to... Miami on my tongue.

So, Soleil, fantastic. And where can we find this? In the same spot?

All streaming platforms, everybody. We've got a lot of talent here in the 305. Congratulations. Do you want us to take an official picture? What are our photographers? Yes, I see we've got some big cameras down there.

Oh, she's a professional. All right, is everybody happy? Photographers, everybody happy? No, you're not, okay. All right, well, thank you all for bringing the rhythm of the summer in the city to us in City Hall. All right. All right. So now we go from music to entrepreneurship. We also have a proclamation for Miss Angelina Diaz. This is a woman who started her own business, but We all talk about microloans, and this was something that really just made a difference and enabled you to start your business. And now she's, I'll let her tell the story and Commissioner Gabella, but she's now kind of

Yeah, I know. She's become famous in the coffee world, Right? And we want to acknowledge her and congratulate her at such a young age doing this kind of thing. So congratulations. Yeah. And should I read?

So I don't know. I'm hearing you do have one word of advice for budding entrepreneurs. I heard a lot about believe in yourself. What's your one word? Believe in yourself. Colleagues, anyone else?

I think it's wonderful that you are an example for everybody because it is scary to start your own business and everybody is not in your corner supporting you and you have to shut out the noise and just continue to say I can do this, I can do this and your hard work pays off so today you will inspire someone and so Please be proud of that, not just your accomplishments and girl power.

All right, picture time. Come in, photographers. Boss us around. Tell us where we need to be to look good. All right, we gotta ask one more question. Where can we find your coffee?

All right, at school, very good. Congratulations. So we've started the day with a little music and a little coffee, which is very celebratory and very indicative, I guess, or symbolic of our city. But another thing that is core to our city's operations is our Miami Police Department. And there is a division in that department that works on internet crimes against children. And that is hard work. These are the sorts of things that you and I might, when we look at on social media or read about in the newspaper, cringe and not even want to be, we can't even read or listen to the kinds of things t

Thanks for doing this. Important but horrible. Thank you. How are ya? So, Look at you. Everybody's coming up.

Come in. Get in the middle. Don't be shy. Don't be shy. So anywhere. This is your home. You can be anywhere you want. But... Very recently, this team and many of the members of this team are not here today because they can't be, because they do a lot of this work undercover. But we wanted to thank them for one of the largest undercover operations that resulted in the arrest of 15 perpetrators who were committing crimes against children. And yeah. And I remember the day they were about to go out at night to make the arrests, and I was in the room where this work was done. And the dedication and

I'm just so very proud of you guys. We all are, of what you do day in and day out, the sacrifices your families make. So really, we appreciate what you do for us. Thank you very much from the bottom of our hearts. Thank you very much.

There's not much that I can say with respect to thank you. I can't imagine the atrocities that you see and We always support you. We support you. You do the work that nobody else wants to do. You see things that you can't unsee, which is why I'm a big support of mental health. But thank you for having the courage to do this kind of work. It's particularly hard when you have children of your own as well. So thank you.

I just want to say that your work, even though it's unseen, it is seen by many of our residents. And you are very much appreciated. Every time a story comes out in the news that's actually appalling, they know that there are very good, solid people behind there doing hard work. So thank you very much for your service and work.

This has to be one of the toughest policing assignments anybody could take on. So you have, from the bottom of my heart, our tremendous gratitude.

Friends and residents and colleagues on the dais, today marks a day of transition for us. Many of you were very involved in listening to discussions during the mayoral campaign about should the mayor participate in commission meetings, He or she lead commission meetings. And today I will start presiding over the commission meetings. But we have to thank Christine King, who has been one of the longest serving chair, well, the only chairwoman of the city commission and one of the longest serving chairs of our city commission in our city's Next week we turn 130, so in our nearly 130 year annivers

And can I just say something? And one of the gentlemen that made it a little bit tough for her is still standing here. But I want to congratulate you for the tough times that you put up with us. So thank you very much. You have been a true leader. And I mean that from the bottom of my heart.

I was not your problem. So... But I have to say, you handled everything with grace and challenges incredibly well. And you're just so valued here. And... You're going to keep doing what you're doing, so thank you.

We are indeed a tough little bunch. This has been a really wonderful year, though, where I think we've gotten a lot of good work done. And much of it is because of your leadership up here keeping the conversation and the debate going in a way that is productive and that ultimately benefits the city. I'm very proud to get to serve with you. Thank you, Commissioner.

I want to thank everybody. As you know, I am the longest serving chair for the history of the city of Miami and the first woman. And I can tell you that when I was tapped to be chair, I was terrified. My commission looked a lot different and I had just gotten elected. I wasn't sure how I'm moving forward as a public servant, much less having to be chair of the commission. Um, but my mom says, How will you ever get to learn how to do something if you don't do it? And you can't allow fear to hold you back. And so I jumped in, and it's just instinctual. Be kind. Listen. Everybody's not always goi

Yeah, good morning. Yep. No, we, well, hi, everybody. Now that we're done with the presentations, we're moving on to our order of business, and we are fortunate enough to have two pastors who are going to pray for us and with us today. So, Pastor Barbara Savo from 433 Church, and then we will have Reverend... Dennis Jackson, a longtime friend of the city of Miami after you. Please, we are ready to receive your blessing.

All right. Good morning, everyone. Good morning. Well, welcome to the City of Miami Commission meeting for July 23rd. The procedures for public comment will be explained by the city attorney shortly, as well as for planning and zoning and quasi-judicial items by the city clerk. show all commissioners present, including city manager James Reyes, city attorney George Weisong, city clerk Todd Hannon, and myself. Mr. City Attorney, would you read your statement and procedure?

All right. Mr. City Manager, do you have anything that you would like to withdraw or defer?

Okay, colleagues, any other withdrawals, deferrals? Okay, with that, Mr. Clerk, do we set the agenda? Yes. You always have something.

So moved. Okay. I have a motion. I have a second. All in favor? Agenda is set. Thank you. Time for reasonable opportunity to be heard in public hearings. Yes, Mr. Clerk? All right, anyone that would like to be heard, please line up on both podiums. And oh, I see Mayor Lago. Vince, would you like to be recognized to speak? Yeah, sneak up. We'll let Mr. Cruz cook his computer up. Will you go over to the other podium? Thanks. Okay, there you are. Thank you, Mayor. Good to see you.

Ms. Robb? Good morning, Mayor. Good morning.

Well, that's the definition of an internship, I think. Congratulations.

Ma'am, ma'am. I will. Ma'am, ma'am. As staff. Sergeants, thank you. Everybody gets two minutes. We appreciate you.

Mr. Milstein, thank you. Thank you. Probably takes three hours to go through everything that... Thank you. That's what I was going to say, Mayor.

So two minutes is a hard time period to describe, Ms. Schack. But thank you.

We appreciate all the information. Thank you.

Hi, good morning, everyone. Folks, just when I say thank you, everybody here gets two minutes, so it's just kind of a nice way of saying two minutes are up. Thank you. Morning, Abby. Go ahead.

Commissioner Rosado, this item's not on the agenda, but it's okay with me if we hear a few people out, as long as it's okay with you. Okay, thank you. Please, go ahead.

Thank you very much for coming. Appreciate all your insights.

Ma'am, no. Sorry. No, no. Thank you. It's hard. You were reading your two minutes, but It was actually very nice for all of you that are here at Public Comment to hear that not only are we listening, but your neighbors are listening too. And sometimes it does open our minds a little bit. So thanks so much for being here and sharing that with us, actually. It was very insightful. Thank you. Okay, go ahead.

Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate you being here.

Oh, no. Now we hear you well. All right.

Come on. Line up closer to the podium, folks, so I know who's in line versus who's just standing up.

We also missed your name and address for the record.

Mr. Trainer, I see you there. Are you here for public comment? Would you like to speak on one of the items, Monty?

This item, all of the items, it's a public comment on all items now, so each speaker has two minutes.

And if the commission has questions during the item, should they decide on first reading? Yes.

Thanks, Monty. We're happy to see you. All right. Let's go ahead here. Go ahead.

It's our clerk. We have to blame you, Todd.

Monty, it is great to see you and Commissioner Kenney here today. I'm so glad you're out of rehab, too.

All right. Do we want to go to this podium? And do you want to speak? You've been standing patiently. Go ahead, please. Sorry. Thank you for your patience.

All right. I see you've got a lot of boards. I see three people. Do you want to present for all three? or everyone's gonna do two minutes, but I'll give you a little extra time. Okay, I'm just saying if one person wants to.

Is that everyone on this item, or we have one more speaker? I can't see with the sign, so. No, you can leave them up. I just, go ahead.

All right, I don't see any more speakers, so public comment is closed. All right, colleagues, I guess we'll try to do the thing.

Madam Mayor, I did have a few minutes that I wanted to be able to just use a point of personal privilege to discuss an item that is for the public benefit.

Okay, we'll do that. I'll put that on the list. One of the things I was thinking we should do first is RE11, the designation of the street for Ruth Shack. I think she probably deserves to have a separate vote, given her long history in this city. And if it's possible, I would love to co-sponsor that item. I'm not sure if others are interested in that, too. I really appreciate you bringing that, Commissioner Pardo.

Sure, well, as the sponsor of the item, obviously I have a few words that I'd like to share.

A lot of people spoke about Ruth Shack and what she's done for the arts, for culture, how Christos Islands were wrapped at a moment where the city was paradise lost. She made it paradise found. What she's done with Art Miami, Art Basel. I'm not going to talk about any of that. I'm going to talk about myself. When I was a very young man... Pretty insecure and very worried because I was openly gay. And it was a moment in Miami where HIV was killing a lot of people. Nobody knew why HIV was killing a lot of people. And here was this woman who, on TV, on camera, in the community, stood up in a very

Do I have a second? Commissioner Pardo, I'd like to second it. I'd also like to be added as a co-sponsor. The Miami Foundation is an organization that's been very special to me, and I'm happy to support you on this.

Okay, delightful, perfect. Colleagues, any other comments? If that, let's all in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. So Ruth Jack having her own street passed unanimously. Thank you for bringing that.

Could I take a moment of personal privilege as well? I would love to address the Silver Court residents that are here.

Yeah, we have the two of that. And from your perspective, since folks are here, I think we will absolutely do that. Colleagues, you know, we're coming up on noon. My thought is we continue trying to get through a few of the items. Do you agree? So, okay. All right. So why don't we start with Commissioner Pardo since he asked first, then we'll go to you, Commissioner Rosado. Commissioner Pardo, you again.

It's really quick. First of all, I want to thank everybody that has been engaged on tree and canopy issues. I think it's fantastic. We had a full house here for the HEP board meeting. There's a lot of feedback and a lot of people engaged. And the more eyes on anything, I think the better it is for us as a community. Even so, I want to explain to people some of the context of things that are happening because I've never seen this really happening before so far in my term in office. So Alex, if you can put on the, there you go. So this is a new organization that popped up, Miami Canopy Watch. Th

All right. Thank you, Commissioner. And you and I have spent many a day, a hot day, under trees and sometimes planting trees together. So I can attest to your commitment to greening folks. Commissioner Rosado, a few of your residents were here today.

Thank you, Madam Mayor. I think the folks in Silver Court know that it is a place that is important to me essentially my entire life. My grandmother and my step-grandfather lived in Silver Court throughout the 70s and the 1980s. I had several relatives that lived there, in fact. I grew up playing hide-and-go-seek there. When we learned some months back that the developer was going to sell the property, we told him immediately two things. Number one, you need to give the folks that live there more time than you are required to, and you need to give them more money. Our state standards for these

Thank you, Commissioner. All right, colleagues.

Madam Chair, may I? Yes. Okay. So I reserve the right to do what Pardo just did when I feel that something is falsehood, like there's a lot of falsehoods out there. All right. Let me finish, ma'am, please. I reserve the right to do the same thing that he's doing. It's not going to be today, but it might be next commission meeting or the other. So I just want to put that on the record. Thank you.

Yes. I think what I will do next time is when anyone feels they need to defend themselves, we'll do it at the end of the meeting, colleagues. So just to be clear, we'll do it at the end, not at the beginning. All right. Consent agenda. Let's try to move as quickly through what is simple to do. CA 1, 2, and 3. Does anyone want to bifurcate any of those? All right, I'll entertain a motion. Motion. Mr. Clerk.

Thank you. And also, colleagues, as it's written today, it doesn't include our new ordinance on minimizing single-use plastics, but the administration assured me that it will by the time it's signed. Okay, motion on all the consent items as amended.

Show those passed. Public hearing items, we can take all items except for PH6, which must be heard after the Allopata CRA meeting.

PH5. So we have the date heritage trust, the hope hydration would be pulled, and then the Allopata CRA has to, we have to wait on that. All right, so I will accept a motion on PH1, PH2, PH4.

Any opposed? So those passed unanimously. I think if it's okay with you all, I'll just march the agenda on the things that we have consent on, and then we'll go back. This way, if folks are here just for one item, they'll get those out of the way. All right, we'll move to resolutions. Are there items you would like to bifurcate on our resolutions list?

Probably 15 we may need to bifurcate as well. Yeah. Any others, colleagues?

OK. All right, so colleagues from the resolutions, the ones that I show as polled, RE4, RE12, RE14, and its companion, RE15. Is that it? All right, I'll entertain a message on the remaining items. Do you have any amendments or substitutions, Mr. Clerk?

Okay, we will take a motion with that amendment. Second. All right, all in favor say aye. Any opposed? Show those items passed. All right, if with your permission, we'll do the same thing on second readings. Are there any of the second readings that people would like to bifurcate?

SR4. Okay, SR4. Colleagues, anything else? All right, I will entertain. Okay, I forgot to let you do your job, George. There you go. Let's read SR1, SR2. SR 5, SR 6, and SR 7, and we'll do the others when we come back to them.

Thank you. Mr. Clerk, do you have any clarifications or amendments?

All right, so the ones that have not been bifurcated, SR 1, 2, 5, 6, and 7 as amended, entertain a motion. Motion. Move.

Any opposed? Show those carrying unanimously. Okay, get ready to read again, George. We'll do the first reading. Does anyone want to bifurcate any of the first reading items? FR 5. FR 5. Anyone else? All right, Mr. Attorney, if you could read FR 1 through 4 into the record, please.

All right. Mr. Clark, over to you. Any changes, amendments, or?

All right. So, colleagues? Any comments or I'll entertain a motion.

I'm sorry, I have one comment for FR4. I'd like to exempt D5 from this legislation because there are so many historical areas in District 5 that I wouldn't want an unintended consequence of just a blanket legislation for historically designated structures if we could exempt D5 from this legislation, FR1.

You said FR1. Okay. Yeah, you mentioned FR4. So, FR1. I'm just going to count that one as pulled. And let's, we'll do, so, FR1 and FR5 are both for discussion later. Let's take a motion on FR2, 3, and 4.

Okay, show those passed. I want to march through the things that we can get done so if folks have items and they can go home. We'll go forward to the planning and zoning items. Colleagues, any of these would you like to bifurcate for further discussion?

I'd just like to co-sponsor PZ5 if I'm not already on there. Absolutely. Thank you.

Any other changes? Mr. Clerk, do you have any changes for us on the items that have not been bifurcated? No.

Okay, I'll entertain a motion on all of those. Oh, Mr. City Attorney.

Okay, would you read the ones that need to be read, please?

All right. Mr. City Clerk, any comments? amendments substitutions comments on those not um not at the moment no man okay all right we'll take a motion on those pz items accepting pz8 and pz9 so moved second all in favor say aye aye show those items passed unanimously um i think we have one other item mr clerk that uh the Boards and Committees, Miami Tree Ordinance Advisory Committee. You want to read that for us?

So that unanimously passed. Okay. We have just about eight or nine items to get started. Do we want to power through or?

Madam Mayor, can we come from the PZ items and work our way back to the top?

All right, so let us, and then here's one of the things I would like to do. I'd like to do your PZ items, and then, Commissioner Gabella, if you could prepare to do the Allapatter CRA right after that, because we cannot do PH6 until that meeting is over. And the other CRAs, we don't have any items on this agenda that are contingent.

Just one more question. Just after the PZ items. Just one more question. I thought that everybody be handed one of these. The commissioners and the mayor. Everybody be handed one of these. Agenda. Agenda.

Okay, so you let me know when you're ready, but we've got to get that one done or we can't get through the commission agenda. All right, Commissioner King, over to you for PZ8 and 9. Mr. City Attorney, do you want to read those in since we didn't read those in? I think one of them has to be read in, correct?

All right, Commissioner King. Okay, so I just want for administration, the city attorney's office, to put on the record where this community benefit of a million dollars will be deposited. Make sure that my neighbors know it will not end up in a general fund. It will park itself in a District 5 account. which could live beyond me, depending on when we get to distributing. And for the record, allocating these funds is predicated on community meetings for the community and the different areas that may be adversely impacted by this development. The community decides, not the District Five commiss

I just wanted to make that clear on the record so that the community understands that this money is specific for this project and the money is parked in a District 5 account, that it will not be sent to general funds or used for any other purpose than what is intended in the covenant. And that was it. I just wanted to get that on the record.

All right. I will entertain a motion. Motion. Okay. On PZ7 and PZ8. I'm sorry, PZ8 and PZ9. Chair. Mr. Clerk.

All right. Moved as amended by Commissioner King. Second. Second by Commissioner Escalon. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? So those passed unanimously. Commissioner Gabella, are you ready if we recess to do the Allapattas CRA? Okay, show this meeting recessed for just a few minutes. And Commissioner Gabella, let's open the Allapattas CRA. I know you have a little tape changing, sorry.

We can stretch our legs for a minute. What's the tape?

I haven't heard that. What you have is a script.

All right, we have a new tape. So we are reconvening today's commission meeting. I think we are starting back at the top of the public hearing items. PH3 was bifurcated. Commissioner Pardo, that's the Dade Heritage Trust site. Would you like to take the lead on that?

I would. I just want to respond to some issues the residents had brought up. Some folks thought that the amount was... low or not correct, but there is an appraisal behind that and there was that's followed all the rules we use to establish the value. There was also a lot of public comment about not being sufficient engagement and not really being a public process. Totally agree with that. We have talked about this with Dade Heritage Trust and they have assured that they will have a public engagement process around this whole thing. Also, remember that there's a headboard meeting. So this has

Thank you for working on this. You and I collaborated on that when I was still at the commission. And if you don't mind, I might also want to put some comments on the record because there were some misleading newspaper articles But I remember you and I talking, it was March of 2025, because I was going over to visit with the board of Dade Heritage Trust. And we delivered that message together that whatever Dade Heritage Trust wanted to do with that site, if they wanted to stay there, they were going to have a county and a city that supported that. And if they thought there was another path for

Can I just say something on the record? Yes, Commissioner Gabella. It is in my district at the end of the day. And I just want to concur with what you guys just said. I was shown the documents. I asked the questions. And I believe that Mr. Griffith has always been a good corporate citizen and is a man of his word. So I feel comfortable in voting with you guys for this. Thank you very much.

Other comments, colleagues? Mr. City Clerk.

All right. Show that item moved by Commissioner Pardo as amended. Seconded by, I can no longer remember, the second Commissioner King. All in favor, say aye. Aye. Show that item passed unanimously. Congratulations. All right. PH5, our Hope Hydration Commissioner. I think Commissioner King, you, but we can have any discussion that's needed.

I pulled it. I'm also a sponsor of this. I'm a big proponent for our parks and our kids. My concern is the advertisements and the fees that we are going to get for the advertisements. Staff did do, as I requested, all of the fees for each district park will remain in that district for that park. But I do believe that we could do a little better with the advertising fees. It is advertising, and that's a huge source of revenue. So I would like to negotiate a bit more with the fees. I think the administration could do a little better, but I am completely in support of this pilot program bringing

I agree. Mr. City Manager, would you or Resiliency Officer have done all the work on this? Want to comment?

Would you please include my office also?

Folks. Commissioner King, you have the floor.

I just want to make sure in passing this you still have an opportunity to negotiate the fees. I don't want to pass it And then the contract is as it is. My colleague here feels the same way. So I want to make sure on the record that we have an opportunity to negotiate the fees that we would get from the advertisement. Okay. I'll make the motion. Oh, I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Okay. We'll go to you, Commissioner Cabela. Then we'll go to Commissioner Pardo. Thank you.

Okay, so I you know when when this came to me, I was a bit surprised that everybody here, you know went along with it because i've been hearing the people are. you know, the advertisement, and this is the voodoo man, you know what I mean? But, you know, this, everybody seems to be, this is strange. We're living in a strange world. I don't know. I don't know what's going on here, you know? I haven't spoken yet. But I'm going along with it. I'm going to go along with it because of the benefits that I think that it will provide to our citizens. However, I also share your concern, Madam Chair, and

Yeah, my main issue was being able to have control over location and site because it is visual pollution. In a park, it depends with placement and site and how that whole issue works. So as long as it's flexible with our district and we can choose to do it or not, or to do it here or not there, that's really what we're asking for. Of course, we're in favor of nice, cold, filtered water, not only for us, but dogs, you know, dog parks, all of the things. It's a great idea. I want to commend the founders and the people that have put this forward. It's exciting that you're coming here with great i

Excellent. To the city attorney. It's clear that Commissioner Pardo wants to have a little bit of yes, no, maybe so on the locations that are recommended. Do we need to put a caveat in here? Or do we just need a gentleman's agreement with hope that you will make sure that Commissioner Pardo is happy? Please say that loudly and into the microphone.

Okay. All right. So we have a motion for the item. We know the manager is going to negotiate. He's put that on the record. We know you're going to work with Commissioner Pardo and others. Is there a second?

We're deferring, right? That's what we said. No? Nobody wants to defer this? Before we negotiate? No, I'd like to negotiate. That's me.

I'd like to negotiate and then come back.

That's where I'm at. I vote yes if you're going to come back and all these things. If not, I'm voting no today. That's my thing. It doesn't matter if somebody comes along or not. That's where I'm at.

This item is a pilot program. Even if we negotiate a lot more for an extra percentage point, whether it's 5%, 10%, we're still talking in year one very, very low dollars. I think it is worth moving this forward in the summer to get these things open because we will be able to negotiate the full agreement should we like it and like how it looks and like how it physically works as well.

Maybe we will, and I'm probably going to like it. So let's do it real quick. Motion to defer. There's nobody with me. It dies, and you guys make the motion to move. Motion to defer. No motion. No motion dies. Now we can take the other vote.

I don't take issue with deferring it. If he's not ready, I believe that administration has satisfied that they will negotiate everything that you want to do, but it's whatever the body wants.

How long is the pilot program for? Is it a year?

It's one year, if we like it, and we renew and we decide to expand. If we defer, we are deferring until September 9th, so we would delay starting this about two months.

And I would rather, given that we're in the summer and it's so incredibly hot, I'd love for us to be able to provide free water sooner rather than later. But I hope we keep this sentiment in mind when we get to another pilot program later in the agenda. because what we're basically saying is that this isn't a permanent yes, this is a let's test the waters yes, literally, test the waters, and we could come back and amend the terms. So I'll support moving this forward at this time.

I move to move the item with the understanding that additional negotiations will take place and that the manager will speak to each of us about placements in our districts.

Show that item passed four to one with Mr. Cavallo.

As is with all the comments on the record, noting that those will become part of the long-term agreement. Thank you. All right, PH6, we can now take up, I believe... Mr. Clerk, since we've had the Allopata CRA meeting, which is the approval of the CRA redevelopment, do I have a moment?

All right, Mr. Carswell, welcome. It's an exciting day for the Allopata CRA.

Okay. RE4, I believe, is the next one, Mr. Clerk, that we have yet to do.

Great. Colleagues, when I arrived here, one of the first things I did was actually go out to our sanitation facilities and met with Dale and and learned that four out of every ten of our sanitation trucks are broken and unusable every day because our fleet is so old. We also have aging police vehicles. We have aging fire vehicles. And I asked myself the question, you know, all municipalities have to save money, but how can we be in a predicament where our vehicles are so much older than anyone else's And the manager and I began discussions on what were alternative ways of financing other than

Yeah. Okay. So we'll start with you, if you don't mind.

No, not at all. Can we have the appropriate staff person that can answer? Hi. Good afternoon. Some... I wanted to understand, this is $150 million obligation, and it went before the Finance Committee. So there's a couple of things I'm interested in. The relationship with the Finance Committee, and this would be helpful for people to understand that this falls under the non-ad valorem bucket of what we can issue as debt. There are two kinds of buckets, the ad valorem, which taxpayers, their costs increase, and then there's non-ad valorem, which is not handled in the same way. So how did it work

The issue I have is that in the debt management policy of the city, which you correctly stated, it should go before issuance because otherwise it kind of defeats the purpose of having advisors advise us as a commission on the best practice. So, you know, that's kind of like one big thing. The other big thing is the capacity that we have. How much capacity do we have on the non-Ad Valorem bucket? Meaning we're using 150 now. If we went up to our full capacity, how much more could we use?

So potentially, we could have taken that from the 450 that we're putting on the taxpayer, and we could have financed that in this bucket of non-ad valorem. Correct? Potentially, yes. Potentially. And that's kind of what I'm gearing toward. I think that this should have absolutely gone to the Finance Committee. I'm in the world of finance. Finance is very specific, very difficult. If that's what you're in, if that's what you studied, if that's what you got your master's in, it's a different story. But for a regular resident or a commissioner or anyone to try to understand this in the same way a

Through the chair, let me get this straight, because there were guidelines and rules put in place when we passed the $450 million bond, supposedly, that we're going to ask the voter. And it was strictly said, and I think that's what we agreed to, that the money can only be used for the police headquarters and the repairing of the fire stations, right? Am I missing something here that now we're taking the $150 million? Can somebody explain to me what I'm hearing?

Perhaps our finance chair could talk about what this is. This is a different way of buying vehicles. We can purchase the vehicles and own them forever, in which case they age. No, no, I know that. I know that. And it's how we finance. But these are totally different sources.

Well, no, she's correct. It's five years, so they finance it that way. But she also said there's another $250 million available for long-term financing where you can.

No, no, but we made it simple. We said that that- Okay, colleagues. Wait a minute, wait a minute.

We're not going to, okay. We're going to talk one at a time. Commissioner Gabala, or Commissioner Pardo, you finished. It sounded like you were finished and passed on. Okay, so Commissioner Gabala, you have the floor. If anyone else raised the floor, you raise your hand, and then I'll let you know.

In layman terms, very simple. We said that the $450 million bond, which we approved to go in front of the voter, was only going to be used for the police headquarters, okay, and the fire stations to build some of them and repair them, whatever you want to call it, right? But it was never going to go for anything else, okay? Is that still the case? Yes. Why are we talking about the $150 million? in the bond. Can somebody explain that to me?

Got it. But that's not the question I'm answering. Okay. Let's make it simple. The $150 million this year has nothing to do with that $450 million in the bond, correct?

Correct. Correct. No, but it does have one thing to do. It's using up our capacity.

Folks. Folks. Everybody's going to get to talk. Mostly as much as they want, okay? Right? So we are all gonna get our opinions out, but we're not just gonna randomly interrupt any of our colleagues.

So, Commissioner Pardo. Well, Madam Chair, we're having a conversation. That's what we're having. I mean, I don't think we have to be so harsh with each other. We're just having a conversation.

Commissioner Gabella, do you yield the floor to Commissioner Pardo? I do. All right, Commissioner Pardo, go ahead. Thank you, Mayor. You're welcome.

So, the issue here is debt issuance, right? The 150 is short-term debt. lease arrangements, et cetera. The 450 is long-term, but 250 of the 450 could have been issued in this manner as long-term debt without increasing taxpayer taxes. And the issue I have is when you read the ballot language that voters are going to have, the voters have been given, in my opinion, what's a false choice. You have to increase your taxes to feel safe. If I read the questions, It says, to enhance citywide public safety by improving critically deteriorating facilities for firefighters and paramedics through renovat

All right, any more discussion on this item? Do I have a motion on the fleet items, RE4? Mr. Clerk.

I still fail to see what we're all thinking. I still feel see why we're mixing things up. We're muddying the waters.

Why are we doing that? For now, I think, Commissioner Gabala, we've finished the discussion. And so now we're just looking at the fleet purchases, which will save us $3.5 million over our alternative next year. So if someone would like to make a motion, I would entertain a motion. Second. There's a motion. Second. All in favor say aye. Aye.

So I am going to go reluctantly along, okay? And I still hold by what I voted on, that the 450, let me make it clear in layman's terms, is not going to be used for anything other than the police headquarters and the fire. The fire, that's it. It's not going to be used for vehicles, not going to be used for anything. However you want to, right? Okay.

100%. So show that item passed unanimously with one reluctant yes.

Commissioner King, I know you need to... head out shortly there I think there are items did you you pulled fr5 I hate to skip around but are there items that you want to take fr5 I felt like you'll have to read that if you don't mind to the city attorney please

For me, my issue, I'd like to exempt D5 from this legislation. I will address this legislation separately for the Southeast Overtown Park West CRA area, but as a whole, I'd like to exempt District 5. I have too many historic neighborhoods, the design district and the like that I would not like this blanket legislation to apply to District 5.

And I feel the same way for District 2. They should just come up the way they normally come up. The public can engage and that's a better process for us.

Okay. Any other comments? And then Commissioner Gabela.

Yes, ma'am. So originally, when I heard of this, I'm for it, by the way. The only problem that I have is the exclusion, that they have exclusivity for one year. Because others have come to my office explaining, expressing their concerns. And then one side says, well, we spent a lot of time on this and resources developing this. And the other side came and says, no, that's not true. That was done in 2011, 2010 before. You know, so who do I believe, right, at the end of the day? You know, so I would like to do it, but you've got to include everybody. And if you want to give them a little, you kn

What I would add is that because, especially in the areas of our district where you have a lot of development, the urban core, Edgewater, downtown, Brickell, people are done. They already had the enormous billboard at PAM, the other billboards on the street. They don't want more advertising, period. When they're walking on a sidewalk or they're walking in a public space, that's not what they want. So our thinking was like, well, let's allow the other folks who feel comfortable to do this and that gives us the opportunity to watch and to try to bring our folks along if they like it if they don'

You know, and I can understand that because you have different residents, for example, that I do in different neighborhoods. But, you know, what I'm mostly concerned about is the safety also, the safety component of this. When one of these messes, and we've seen it before, that they have a hole where somebody tried to get in, this is a safe way to keep people out, to keep people safe, You know, and I really don't see a problem with it, but I respect your point of view and the chairwoman's point of view.

No, it's fine. I apologize. No, don't apologize at all. No pun intended.

So, Commissioner. So, that's where we're at.

So, Commissioner Gabela, this is your item. Two of your colleagues would like to be exempted out so we could make that modification.

No, you guys got to be comfortable. You guys have to be comfortable with what you're doing.

Motion to defer. Next meeting. And it'll be the first meeting in September?

All right. Show that item deferred. Commissioner King, was there anything else of priority to you before we? I think FR1, there were two. Oh, okay. Mr. Manager.

Oh, okay. Show this. Right, because I want to exempt D5 and Commissioner Pardo wants to exempt. Yeah. Okay, so withdraw.

And does that mean it's withdrawn, withdrawn, or it just shows up every six months?

So I deferred, but what am I motioning for? Withdrawn? Okay, withdrawal. Motion to withdraw.

Show that item withdrawn. Okay, let's go back to RE12. Commissioner, we've gotten all the things that are, I'm happy to go out of priority.

Okay, but the other things are okay if we just go in order for you?

If we can take SR4. Okay. I'm a no vote on that.

All right, SR4, we'll take SR4. Colleagues, any other comments other than Mr. King's? Yeah, let the city attorney will read SR4.

Okay. Colleagues, any other discussion? Commissioner Cabela.

Yes, ma'am. Thank you. So I think Commissioner Cabela, I think, has the right idea. I think, because there is a, this is a problem in the neighborhood. It's, you know, safety, air safety also, by the way, not only, you know, versus, you know, the liabilities, you know, involved in this, right? You know, and I think he revised it. This has been revised from the last time. Yes. You know, but I understand some of my colleagues have concerns, but I'm going to go for this, you know what I mean, as long as we don't get into any more, you know, liabilities other than what we need.

Okay. May I, through the chair, that's why I stressed the last time that we had this conversation was that we need to find the funding to make sure that we have the beds so then the officer is not put in that situation, right? And that's what I think now. I don't know if we addressed that issue. I think I asked, when we had the last year, the crisis with the Camillus House, that they had raised the bed price on us, and then all of a sudden we went out for a couple of months, I believe, or more than a couple of months without some of the beds, right? But then I think I asked last time, they had

By the way, just because you're here, did we ever go back to the numbers that we had in contract with Camilla's House? By the end of the year, we'll be equal. Okay, thank you.

Through the chair, George, after the officer gives a verbal warning, you said reasonable warning.

Sorry. All right. Can you give me some kind of parameter? Because how are the officers going to know what is reasonable? I give you a verbal notice and 10 minutes later, is that reasonable? Is it 24 hours? What is reasonable?

So what step are we saving to, because I imagine the whole key here is to have a balance where You can't have them there forever. You've got to maintain the safety of your community, so do you, so do I, all of us up here. But we also have to guarantee their safety, the human beings. So that's what I want to know. And she's right, because I still don't have the answer, by the way. Are you saying what's the difference? Exactly.

Now he can do it verbally and he doesn't have to produce the document. That's the step that we're making it easier for the officer. Correct. Okay, all right. I'm willing to go along with that. Motion to move? Wait, I do have something to say.

No, it's okay. First of all, I know all of the intentions and I know all the work that has been done behind this, and I have almost confidence in the body cams and the police force and a lot of the people doing this work. But for me, there is this slippery slope that I'm not comfortable with. Full respect, I'm not. But in my case, I'm going to be on the no side for this.

There's a lot of sensitivity around this, and I can appreciate both perspectives. Would we consider doing this as a pilot, perhaps, and bring it back in a few months and gauge where we are on this? I mean, the devil's in the details with regards to implementation.

And I'm very grateful that the mental health center is actually opening because that's what that was about. But what I'm concerned about here is Please make the connection for me of your example where they're sleeping outside the business. What would happen?

His example of where there are a lot of unhoused people in front of a business, and they're all in the street, and the owners don't feel safe, and it is a reality in, I think, all of our districts. What does this change for that situation? What's different from what we're doing now to just... you know, getting rid of that warning paper?

Can I just add, you know, last year or the year before, so the key is, number one, so the only difference is that, you know, the officer doesn't have to hand out the document, the paper. That's the stuff that we're saving here. But I'd like to say that last year, if I remember correctly, or the year before, I gave the Salvation Army, I can't remember how much it was, 70 or 80 grand or 100 grand. So the key here is for us, to be able to negotiate with these people to have beds. Because if they don't have beds, then the officer is forced into that situation, which we don't want to put them in be

All right, we have a motion and a second. Any more discussion, colleagues? All right, let's move to a vote. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? No. Show two no's. You have them? Okay, thank you very much. Why don't we finish with the second reading items? That way you won't have to remember and I won't have to remember that we have one more to read.

All right. I can't remember who put that. Commissioner Pardo, give us your thoughts.

Actually, what I'd like to do is have administration answer. We received feedback from residents as to our modifications and our substitution. And why were we adding a general contractor? And the whole kind of narrative was us being about pro-development. And I think it really lost what you were trying to do in that item. So I'd like you if you could speak to that.

With the sidewalk safety, with the modification.

And what are the three parties that you need in order for that to come true, to happen?

Engineer, general contractor, and who else? I thought there were three parties. Of course, the city staff. And you have to have all three concur? Okay, that's what I wanted on the record. Thank you.

Any other comments, or would you like to move your item, Commissioner Pardo?

All right, we have a motion and a second. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes unanimously. As a downtown resident, I thank you very much for this. It's going to make a big difference in walking around. All right, RE12.

Yeah, I think you and Commissioner Gabela also. GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER PARDON.

RE12 JUST KIND OF MAKES SENSE. IT'S $10 MILLION. IT'S NOT A BIG AMOUNT OF MONEY. IT'S .03% OF OUR $3 BILLION BUDGET. THIS IS CRITICAL. THIS IS DESPERATELY NEEDED. It came before us. This doesn't need to wait for a bond or it doesn't need to wait for procurement. It doesn't need to wait six months, eight months. This is stuff that could be handled immediately, especially looking at the videos that were presented about the conditions in which firefighters are living in and the risks involved. I think this is an easy, immediate relief that is much needed.

Yes, ma'am. Thank you. My concern that I have, and I hear you make some good points, but the only concern that I have is, number one, can we legally do this? And number two, where is the money coming out of? We didn't budget for this. And I've asked that question. I've asked that question. Where is the money coming from? Because I don't want any surprises down the road that, oh, this happened, you know, the moon was blue today, and we didn't know. No. Tell me, so I can vote on it, where

Absolutely. First of all, I would remind you that when you and I first came here in our first meeting, we lowered the rate, and that was a $25 million difference, and the city manager turned to us and said, okay, because it's a $3 billion budget. Let me finish. Let me finish, because what I'm trying to say is when you have such a large budget, there are multiple, multiple options of where you can pull this money. I have focused on the reserves because, and we know we had a discussion, maybe you could help explain that as well, the assigned, the unassigned. My understanding, you can jump in, is

Was that clear? Kind of. The last time I was, at least from what I got from the briefing, was that there were two levels, the first 100 million unassigned, second 100 million, and there was 30 million above that, which was not restricted.

Right, and on the unassigned, can you read the instances where you're allowed to spend it?

but there was a criteria that said for man-made kind of urgent situations. Can you read? It's a specific phrase. I'm trying to look for it, but such reserves may only be used for offsetting an unexpected mid-year revenue shortfall or for funding an emergency. such as man-made disaster which threatens the health, safety, welfare of the city's residents, businesses, or visitors, anything that we would consider an emergency could be used out of that fund and has been in the past.

So you're saying that given this criteria, there is no way to take these 10 million out of any of these buckets?

What if we did five now and five in the next budget cycle so that at least we know that it's happening? Five is an incredibly small amount for a $3 billion budget.

Yeah. Well, obviously, I don't agree. I think the funds are there. I think the administration does not want to find it. And, you know, I mean, I think if I were in leadership, I would question an administration that cannot find $5 million for this, which we have identified as a critical priority of the city. We have put videos out there showing what fire stations look like, the emergency needs. And now we're sitting back and saying, We have $3 billion, but we can't find that money.

Okay, can I interject here? Yes, Mr. Gabal. I'm hearing what you're saying, and you're kind of right in some of the things you're saying. When I asked the legal experts or the financial experts the question, hey, where's the money gonna come from? And then we learned it's gonna come from the reserves. But what I heard from you today here is that still out of the reserves, even if we take that money, we will still be okay, not a problem. The problem is, are the guidelines that you're not supposed to use that money for that, right? That's the thing, okay? Then when I get up to that bridge, I don

So you guys tell me what, I was going to say, Madam Mayor, the city manager looks like he's been chomping at the bit to chime in.

So thank you, Mr. City Manager. And with all due respect, I do disagree. And part of the reason I disagree is because I have run budgets. And I do know that there is a lot of flexibility. I am not privy to your line items. So to me, knowing what I know, with budgets that have been managed fiscally, with auditor review, and these kinds of things have come up in our past on this dais, where we've been asked for these kind of... changes and modifications they have been relatively easy to do I think that this is not wanting to touch it because it has to do with the bond and I think it's not wantin

that I am not doing this because it is related to the bond or not, me personally. Because at the end of the day, we did say let the voter vote on it in November. So at the end of the day, Commissioner, with all due respect, the voter will be voting on this whether they want it or not. And I'm not going to push one way or the other. I've done my part, what I think is important for the city of Miami, and the voter now has to choose if he wants to pay for that police headquarters, which is badly needed for the fire, or if they don't. And if they don't, with me, I'm fine with that. I don't have, y

Well, first of all, we're talking about fiduciary, but we just added $600 million in debt. So on the one side, we talk about fiduciary, and then on the other side, where we have 12 stations with critical needs and a sum of money that's $10 million, we're saying, no, that's got to wait. We can't. We've got to wait on that. Something that we have identified as a necessity, as urgent, and as incredibly important. That does not make, at least to me, that doesn't make any sense.

Like you said, we can explore. If the will of the body is to explore where we can find the money... I am willing to do that. However, what I will not be doing is voting for something until you guys tell me where the $10 million is going to be found. And again, I don't have a dog in the fight whether the voter approves it or does not approve. As a matter of fact, when this came up, I was the guy that said, I'm not going to do it. Nobody has my vote until November. Why? Because I wanted a true reading. I didn't want to ram this up to the taxpayer that's going to have to decide whether they're go

I have, well, we have three, we have three suggestions on the table as far as I can One is the actual item on the agenda, which we don't have a motion on that yet. The other was a separate amendment from Commissioner Pardo to move that dollar amount to $5 million for this fiscal year. Maybe there's four items. There's the thought that this would only be able to come back after the reserves, right, rather than cutting projects. If you're going to take $5 million, you've got to say where it's going to come from and what's going to stop it. or you wait for the reserves. And then, Commissioner Gab

I, for one, would like to have further discussion because there are a number of options that I don't think I had foreseen. Could we defer this to the next meeting and flesh out the discussion further at that point? Second. I'll go along with it.

Motion. All right, so we have a motion to defer. Second to the September 10th, I think, meeting. Okay. All in favor, say aye. Any opposed? All right, show that. Passed. All right, I think we're at RE14 and 15, which kind of go together. Commissioner Rosado and...

Sure. Somebody else had pulled it. No, I actually pulled the item.

Okay. Because this is a charter amendment, and we already have a finance committee, and the finance committee does what this... There's a big overlap between the two. There's also the use of the word audit in this, which we have an independent auditor, and we have an independent inspector general. So... This item as is, I wouldn't support. And this item would actually show up on the same ballot as the bond. And part of me was hoping that maybe, you know, because when you read this item, it's all about fiscal responsibility. It's about, it's kind of like all the right things in that world. But

So I can appreciate your perspective, Commissioner, but I think this is good policy regardless of how folks vote on the bond itself. So I was surprised to learn, I know we have a finance committee, but we typically also have a citizens committee, but I was surprised to learn that it's not embedded in our charter. It was actually adopted by ordinance. This should absolutely be part of our city constitution for how we operate, right? So that we're never stuck asking if the public is aware or not aware of the way we're spending our dollars. It's also concerning to me that we don't have naturally

Well, I mean, we definitely have a disagreement all in with the dashboard and all that stuff. And you can do all of that as a part of the finance committee, which is already set up and it's an advisory committee. But you're changing the charter for this. That's not where this kind of structural change really should belong. This should be. is in an advisory committee role. And when you're using the word like audit, it's who audits, who's auditing what, and what are the overlaps? What does the finance committee do now? And what is this relative to the fund? We're required to have an oversight co

We're discussing it right now. And here's what my two cents is. Number one, they're an advisory board because I asked, are they an advisory board or are they an executive board? They're an advisory board. So at the end of the day... It's going to be whatever we determine up here. So I don't really see any teeth. And I'm not saying I'm arguing against it, but that's the fact of the matter.

I don't have an issue with removal of the word audit. I understand that has sort of additional sort of legal consequences to it. The rest of it stands perfectly fine without it. I find it. Kind of embarrassing that right now if somebody were sitting in the audience and they said, well, how much have you spent on X, Y, and Z? It would take us a while to sort that out. I'm not suggesting that money has been misspent. I'm suggesting that we are not as transparent as we should be for our taxpayers and our residents. Somebody should be able to go on our website right now and figure out for every si

I don't disagree with any single thing you've said other than where you're making this change, which is at the charter level. I think that is bad policy. I think it sets us up in a bad direction, and I think, you know, I think even somebody in my office had chat GPT'd this, and they were like, oh, my God, there are all these issues. So I do think there are issues with this policy. If you guys are prepared to vote, I'm certainly going to go with the...

Call the questions. A motion to approve.

If I may, because I heard a possible amendment. I also, when I read this... Commissioner Rosado, I had similar thoughts to Commissioner Pardo. When we put it in the charter, we're putting it in our constitution, right? And basically, there's no flexibility forever. And the auditing requirements versus having our city audit worried me. The other thing that worried me is this committee was tasked with developing and managing our dashboard in the language, right? they are supposed to develop and publish.

The language says to audit, monitor, publicly report on, and develop and publish a publicly accessible dashboard, which puts them in the role of IT without sort of the cyber security constraints. So I think this is a great idea. I also think parts of this item could come out of this board as a directive that any time we issue, I'm making it up here on the fly, debt over X millions of dollars, that must be disclosed on a publicly available dashboard that we direct. And by the way, the next year's budget fund the administration to build on that. And that we perhaps on our audit and finance commi

Can I interject here very quickly? After you. So you're talking about an audit, right? Well, I don't know if you knew or not, because I asked the question. The new Inspector General, which is supposed to be independent, we don't have money to fund them, is what I've been told. He's come to my office in previous months, and I asked him about the budget, this and that, and my understanding is that he's ... Am I not correct? You and I had this conversation, Mr. City Manager, right? If we were going to go, what are we going to do? I hear this. I was told that the new inspector general that's takin

I got it. So how much is that going to cost for him to be fully funded with the additional officers? Because you turn the question around. What you did was, what you did was, I know what I heard. I asked you guys and you guys said, no, he needs more positions. So in other words, you have a certain amount of money, but you don't have the whole money that the man wants. But that's what I was told by you guys two or three days ago.

Okay, so then how did we get into the conversation?

So if the audit would take place this year, he would be able to complete that audit, yes or no?

What about next year? It's safe to say that next year he might not have the funds to conduct it, no?

But can I just, if you don't mind, Commissioner Cabela, the team that is conducting the audits of our finances is funded. Correct? And so we already have a certified auditor going through not just our city finances, but obviously all of our associated organizations and all of our bonds. And so that is funded in our budget and will be funded next year because otherwise we don't have a bond rating. We don't have any kind of fiscal rating nationally to allow us to do business. So, you know, Should, right now our bonds are audited, right? They are audited. What I think, and they're auditing at a c

Commissioner Pardo. Just to, another aspect of that is that the powers in the charter of this committee would actually be directing administration. So there is supposed to be a clear division. And I think this blurs that kind of activity as well.

Commissioner Pardo and Madam Mayor, if I could. If I could clarify a couple things. I'm happy to drop the word audit. I understand the sort of additional legal consequences there. I am not to create like a super audit structure. I know that we are already legally required to audit our finances. So I'm happy to drop the word. What I'm getting at more globally is a future commission could remove the requirement that we have a citizen body overseeing our bond expenditures. I don't think they should have that right. I think that should absolutely be part of our city constitution. Our finance commi

Best of luck. So, Commissioner, there's a question on the floor. Yes. I called the question.

But I'm fine with dropping the audit word. I understand. I had one thing to clarify.

It's not the audit word. It's that you're amending the charter and the things that go with that. And while you're highlighting that and everything you have said, I'm fully supportive of. And the Finance Committee meets more than twice a year. That's a minimum requirement. They can meet as much as we need them to meet. And we can make reforms in the Finance Committee, which is what's looking at our debt issuances. This is a standalone committee for a standalone bond. And that just should not...

I'm saying for all our bonds, our capital bonds should absolutely have committees. We could, in the same way that we've dissolved a series of boards in the past, the finance committee could just be dissolved right now at the next meeting if we felt like it. That is problematic. We should have built in citizen oversight over hundreds of millions of dollars of expenditure and the information should be updated on a very regular basis. We need to operate transparently. I don't understand why we would try to undo something like this or why we don't think that this is somehow good practice that shou

In fact, we can do all of this, but going to the charter and going to the voters with another issue where there's a small change or a small modification over and over again is not the format where this can best be housed, especially when you're giving powers to this entity that really kind of crosses the line between what administration does and our body does. So I think this should best be deferred because I think there's more here. I'm happy to work with you and look at the language in the finance committee. I don't know how much you've read through all of that. I've studied it a lot. That's

And again, it's what the body wants. I'm comfortable with the way this stands. I think this should be part of what we vote on in November. I think voters who are supportive will say this is an additional safeguard. I think voters who are opposed to the bond referendum will say this is a safeguard we should have already had. So I think it's something that everybody should agree upon. I'm very comfortable moving as it is, again, dropping just the word audit and ensuring if we need to modify the language to make it clear that it's the administration that needs to create the dashboard. It's not ci

And maybe some language that makes it clear that they cannot tell the administration what to do. Sure.

Which is... And I worked with the deputy city attorney on this. If he's got a revised version that we could read... Let me just ask a question.

There's so many good things in here. Mm-hmm. Right? Which we're up against a shot clock. Basically, if we don't deliver this to the supervisor election tomorrow, it can't be on the November ballot. But there's another election right around the corner. And to develop and publish a publicly accessible dashboard showing the status, cost, time, and That could be in complete conflict with what we're doing. And they are going to have access in order to do that to our city's raw data.

And without cybersecurity protections around that. There's so many good things in here for me. So, but colleagues, I'll take a...

I don't think this needs to be deferred. I think it is very much in line with the question we've already put forth that's going to be on the November ballot, and it is letting voters know that were the item to pass, we have their backs.

Okay, so there's an item on the floor. I called the question. Let's vote it up or down. We've beaten this horse to death. As amended.

As amended with removing the word audit, and if we need... Javier, do we need to clarify? I'm not trying to suggest that citizens create a dashboard. That's the administrative responsibility. I didn't find it confusing, but if there's any doubt, I'm happy to see the language massaged.

Well, how about if I make a suggestion? And with the authority to get rid of the word audit, monitor, and publicly report on projects, including the status cost timeline and remaining... It doesn't say the dashboard and then we just make sure we do some other item that says sorry James You've got to create a dashboard anytime. We do this I accept and then I think we You know we my attorney has to look at it Mine does too our attorney can look at it Javi does that work for you I?

And then what do we do to get the exact 75 words? We've cut a lot of words, so we should still be good. I think. Todd, help us.

All right, so... You know what to do to make the referendum item? Okay. So, Commissioner Rosado, as amended, as amended, as amended? As amended. Okay, show that move. Second it, please. Commissioner Gabela, how about? All in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Just one no. Todd, this has to be delivered tomorrow, so you'll work to get my signature on that today?

Yeah. I'm sure I've forgotten something. What have I missed, Todd? Oh, here, we have BU1, the budget. I think you all received a budget report. Would you like to accept that report or discuss it? Yes. Have questions?

Okay. All right, so back to be you one on the budget report Everyone received. All right, can I have a motion to accept that report? All right favor say aye. Aye. So that accepted Other than our the shade meeting are we complete? Yes, ma'am, you're correct. So, Mr. Attorney, are we able to adjourn this meeting or?

You can come fetch me and I'm happy to gavel it out since I have to wait for Todd to send me everything I need to sign so we can get it to the supervisor elections today. Are we doing lunch? You all are the only ones in the shade, so you all decide. Lunch, so 3 o'clock shade meeting, or is that too soon? 3.30? 3.30. 3.30. All right.

George, colleagues, could we meet at 3 instead of 3.30? Is that possible? I'm okay with that.

That gives you 50 minutes. Everybody, is 3 okay? Yeah, your friends are asking you for 3.

It could be earlier than 3.30. Okay. Sorry, I'm sorry. Could it be earlier than 3.30? Could we do closer to 3? 3.15.

3.15. All right. We'll reconvene at 3.15. Todd.

They'll go up to the shade, then we'll come down and gavel out. Right. Okay. And only three of you need to come and gavel out. So if somebody needs to... Yep.

The regular meeting is now open. I do not believe, Mr. Clerk, we have any other business.