City Commission - workshop

GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. TODAY IS TUESDAY. WOW, YES. DID I SCARE YOU? TODAY IS TUESDAY, JUNE 9, 2026. THE TIME IS APPROXIMATELY 4 PM. WE WILL NOW CALL TO ORDER THIS WORKSHOP OF THE SOUTH MIAMI CITY COMMISSION TO DISCUSS OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAM FOR THE COMING FISCAL YEAR. MR. MANAGER, DO YOU WANT TO START US OFF OR SHOULD WE START WITH REMARKS FROM MR. RIVERA WITH THE BUDGET AND FINANCE COMMITTEE?

HE'S GOT ALL THE TIME IN THE WORLD FROM WHAT I KNOW. WE NEED A ROLL CALL OR DO YOU NEED TO READ FOR THE RECORD WHO'S HERE? Okay. Madam Clerk, if you can call the roll, please.

Okay. I'm wondering if the feedback is from the main mic. Is your mic on? Should be. Mr. Rivera, good afternoon. It's good to see you.

Thank you. OK, Mr. Manager, I think if there's agreement from my colleagues, we can go down the list and start with the first block, go block by block, as we did last year. That makes sense? And why don't you summarize the highlights for us for traffic calming, either you, Mr. Moniz, and then we can take questions from any member of the commission, OK?

I have two questions. One, when you're saying traffic count, you're saying with the machine that we already own?

Remember, close your mic when you're speaking.

Okay, and then the second part of that is why are we doing this? And I'm asking some of these questions. I may know the answer, but when we're talking about it, the universe doesn't know the answer. Yes, absolutely. So it's like we're doing all these traffic counts and traffic studies. Why are we doing them?

Before I recognize you for a follow-up, which I'm going to, just to build on that, Mr. Manager, correct to say that often we get requests to the county to do those residual analysis anyways. So if we're asking for an intervention on one street, they're going to want to know what the impact is on all the secondary streets.

But we didn't really have a plan by area necessarily it was sort of like this street and that street and so So essentially this is in response to all the residents who keep coming to us saying we've got speeding We've got cut through traffic. We've got all of this so that we tie this into how it counts for our residents and

Okay, in terms of order, I've got Commissioner Cahier, and I'll recognize Vice Mayor Corey after. Are you good, sir?

Mayor, I just wanted to follow up. The reason why is because, for example, on Zone 1, collectively, we've seen a lot more traffic going through that area, 77th, 78th, 80th Street, and so the idea of how do we start mitigating and protecting our neighbors when we have all this construction going on there And how do we figure out what money to allocate and try to figure out first we need to do the implemental plan and trying to get a really good plan and execution in place. So I think that's where it all started for my side specifically on zone one. I know Commissioner Rodriguez has been working

Mr. Vice Mayor. Thank you. And obviously, I'm a fan of this. I was curious, though, because we did a similar traffic study maybe about four years ago or so. And I do recall that a lot of the focus ended up being in probably what will end up being one of the zones. ARE WE CONFIDENT THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET TRAFFIC MITIGATION IN THE OTHER ZONES? BECAUSE IT WAS PRETTY SPARSE IN THE REMAINING ZONES AFTER THAT STUDY WAS COMPLETED. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE TRAFFIC COUNTS HAVE CHANGED ALL THAT DRAMATICALLY. IS IT POSSIBLE THAT WE'LL EXECUTE THIS STUDY AND SOME OF THE OTHER ZONES WILL STILL NOT GET AT

JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT POINT, I WASN'T AWARE THAT WE DID A STUDY SPECIFICALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW. I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE NOT APPLES ON APPLES. WOULD THAT BE ACCURATE?

WE DID. IT WAS A TRAFFIC STUDY OF RECORD. THAT'S WHAT LED TO, IF YOU RECALL, WHEN WE FIRST GOT HERE, THERE WERE A SERIES OF CAPITAL PROJECTS. some circles along south of 80th Street, for example, that ended up being abandoned because the neighbors ultimately did not want the improvements. And we didn't get their consent. So there was a global study, as my recollection, and informed some of the capital interventions. I think to Commissioner Corey's point, notwithstanding our perception of the speed, it's in some cases not tripping the thresholds. That would allow us under our delegate authority

So on this, I'm not going to lie, I was a little disappointed just to see that we've been working on 64th and Twin Lakes Drive for over a year now. I understand it's under Zone 3, but We have already the county knows about a county has approval. We've discussed it. Twin Lakes is the one that needs to get the final numbers. The numbers for 64th were worked or were approved. So or whatever it is that you guys do as far as making that study work. I thought we had discussed that we were going to keep that independent of zone three because we've been working on it so long, but it's nowhere allocate

OBVIOUSLY WE'VE HAD MANY TALKS ABOUT THIS. I'M JUST, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE IT AS ITS OWN INDIVIDUAL LINE ITEM FOR WHAT THE COST WOULD BE CONSIDERING THAT THE SPEED TABLES Have already been I mean there the county already said we can do the speed tables at least on 64th I imagine we'll do one on six on Twin Lakes as I said 65 has already a stop sign around about a speed hump and two-way stop They're they're covered so but we don't need a tone independent line item here for that that that's gonna get done from this year So they're they're finally and then it finalizing that once we know if th

OKAY. TO HIS QUESTION, JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR, IT'S HAPPENING IN THE FY26 BUDGET? IT WOULD BE LINE ONE, FY26.

OK, thank you. I didn't know it was allocated in 2016. Thank you.

I know that in the past, the reason a lot of these things didn't happen is because we would send a letter to every single resident, and they all had to write back saying that they wanted it. There was a discussion that was had a while ago that was about possibly changing that and saying that if you didn't want it, you had to write in, and we had to have a certain threshold for that. So did any of that happen or no?

Yeah, we can wave the report Yeah, but have a public hearing to do it is my recollection. I don't they see attorneys are here.

ON THE RECORD WITH QUESTIONS. THE QUESTION WAS? HOW MANY BIKES? HOW MANY BIKES? NO PROBLEM.

Madam Commissioner recognized Thank you, I Just want to put a comment out there, which I was thinking about as I looked at all of this I know I've mentioned it in passing to our city manager While we're looking at everything that falls under CIP general fund anything that has to do with money coming out of our pocket I think we need to be extremely judicious in both our thought and our action because we don't know what is coming our way. And when you spend money not knowing what the dictates of the state are going to end up looking like for us, we start to slowly, you know, it's either the guy

I think we all understand that intuitively and expressly. But I would say that, just to be clear, there's really no money in the budget for this coming year for lines 11 through 17. And these are all out-year funded projects. So whether a referendum passes in November or whether it doesn't, right? All we're I mean nothing's gonna happen within the next two fiscal years the vast majority of these projects and Maybe if we're fortunate fiscal year 31 right some of these things begin to be implemented so

And just to follow up, I think most of these line items for Safe Streets also have allocations from USDOT, which is the funding source, which is, where's that funding source? It's not from?

So we're getting federal dollars for this? We hope to.

And when I say this, I don't just mean this little section. I mean the whole document.

We did that already. And if I could add, since we went down the rabbit hole, when we hear people talk about fraud and waste at the local level, I just challenge them to say where that exists here, right? And then beyond that, I'd say, you don't think we need the money? Well, here's a list of projects. I'd say most of these are not wants. I'd say most of these things are the things that people expect that their tax dollars should be paying for anyway. And the delta between what we can do today, even in an environment where nothing has changed, and what we should be doing is massive already and

Quick question. So I know we have some funds allocated here, fiscal year 31. But as I was talking with the manager yesterday, we don't really know what the implementations are, right? Because each one is going to be site specific. So one could be assigned, one could be traffic calming. So we don't really know. So you just, I guess, TO ALLOCATE FIGURES BASED ON WHAT YOU THINK IT'S GOING TO BE?

JUST QUICKLY. I FORGOT. IF WE TALK ABOUT THIS HERE. WE NEED WITH ALL THESE SAFE STREETS, I KNOW IT'S A FEDERAL PROGRAM. DO WE NEED MIAMI-DADE TO APPROVE WHATEVER IMPLEMENTATION WE'RE GOING TO DO IN THESE?

Yeah, and they still have the opportunity to do them.

Again, there's no funding for the majority of those items in this coming year. Do we want to talk about 18, 19, or should we skip to 20, Mr. Manager? 20th is a crosswalk on 64th Street and 60th Avenue, construction of that.

Just on that one before you move on, quick question. Is the cost of design $63,700 or is that $13,700 just left from the original $50,000? $63,700. Why is it so damn expensive?

I mean, 63% of the improvement cost is design?

CLEARLY, I'M JUST... I'M SORRY, THAT'S BECAUSE OF DELAYS IN...

Okay, no, that's fine. That's what I wanted to confirm. I just wanted to make sure I was reading it wrong, which is great. It's only 13.7. Okay, so that's why when you said, when you reaffirmed my wrong reading, I got concerned. Yeah, yeah. That sounds like 63% of the $105,000 improvement is a lot of money. Okay, thank you for the clarification.

It's not been bid, though, however, correct?

OK. Further questions on those items? Any? No? You do? So you're recognized.

We had conversations a couple weeks ago, maybe a month ago, in reference to another crosswalk on 80th Street and 58th Avenue, connecting two parks on the crosswalk there. Is there any way that we can add that to the budget with my colleagues? At least we could talk about it.

I think we have direction then to procure an estimate so we decide whether we add it in.

With my colleague's consent, yeah. I would like to.

I have no problem understanding what it's going to cost us.

So it would be where the property of the Girl Scouts?

So it sits south of the northern street for the school. The crosswalk right now terminates at a fence. It used to be open, so you could actually access the school. It'll walk back. So in talking to staff, we've got people crossing at points south of the Coastal Cup property and south of 67th to get into the school, not at the crosswalk as a result. Yeah.

So the reason for my questioning and all that was, so instead of just replicating the crosswalk where it currently is, maybe moving it south to where everybody, which I would say kind of in front of that football statue, where the parking lot is, and moving the crosswalk somewhere there?

I think it's fair to say the location is there. If you're trying to get kids to access the school, it makes no sense. Not because it didn't make sense when it was built, but because they have created an obstruction to accessing the school from the western side of the crosswalk. So you go east to west, you're walking into a fence. It literally had one of those old chain link fence breaks. that had the middle pole. You had to kind of shimmy your way through. So you could walk in. Well, now they just fenced it. So you can't walk through the parking lot any longer.

But they're now crossing the street without a crosswalk. So I don't know what's worse.

No, no. Let's all worry about our liability. Do things that are stupid.

I know. I'm spending too much time on those days with you, honestly. OK, let's move on to 26.

JUST WALK ME THROUGH AGAIN REAL QUICK, DIRECTOR. WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE MASTER PLAN AND ALL THE PLANS THAT WE HAVE FOR TRAVEL ECONOMY TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS?

We've got questions, which I don't see any. So let's move on to roadway and drainage. Sorry. OK.

LET'S SEE IF I CAN SAVE US SOME TIME. YEP. AND JUST ASK MY COLLEAGUES, ARE THERE ANY LINE ITEMS WE WANT TO QUICKLY DISCUSS? either in the current year that are encumbered and just want a status update, or if you want to go through any of the new allocations. So that would be lines, for new allocations, lines 27, 31, 33, 34, and then 40. I would like an update, actually, on 33 and 34.

And we've informed the residents of obviously that.

OK. Yeah. Because there's the Rosemary and her husband are always.

We should do it just after a rainstorm in Galoshes. OK, so that people remember what we're trying to solve for when the construction starts.

Or like the one in Gable's Edge right now, which is pretty gnarly as well.

Sorry. $4 million for that segment from- I'm sorry.

SO YOUR MATCH IS $2.5 MILLION OR EXCESSIVE $3 MILLION.

MAYBE I'M REMEMBERING WRONG. SO PLEASE CORRECT ME. IN THAT PRESENTATION, THERE WERE ALL KINDS OF THINGS OF WAYS TO TRY TO KIND OF catch funding for this. But the only thing, for lack of the right word, that we've caught so far is the idea of this 1.5.

And are we going to spend that $100,000 before we have those answers?

No. I mean, it's unspent. It's proposed for this coming budget.

But my question is, are we planning to spend that money before we have those answers? Because I wouldn't want to spend that money.

We have to make that decision. But I don't think we can reasonably assume we're going to have those answers until we do the design. Correct.

NEW SPEAKER AGAIN, I THINK MR. MUNOZ MENTIONED THERE WAS NOT A LOT OF ENGAGEMENT LAST EVENING AT THE MEETING. WHEN I KNOCKED ON DOORS ON THAT STREET, NOBODY WANTED THE IMPROVEMENT. SO AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO GO DOOR TO DOOR AND REAFFIRM, BUT IT'S $100,000 TODAY WITH A $2.5 MILLION HOLE TOMORROW POTENTIALLY. SO AGAIN, I THINK WE SHOULD TREAD CAUTIOUSLY THERE. Are there other projects we want an update on? Are all these projects in our current, they're not all listed in the current capital plan, correct? Have we done, have we had a conversation with council about what we could include

If it's in the budget, if it's in the plan, it's listed as a future project, current project, my understanding is that it's not eligible. So I just need to make sure someone checks my CRA law, because I probably have a bad recollection, but it's probably not that terrible. OK. Any further questions on roadway and drainage? OK. LET'S MOVE FORWARD TO ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE. THERE'S MONEY HERE FOR EVERYTHING, SO WE WANT A FULL PRESENTATION. YOU DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER KAYE? QUESTIONS? CORY? RODRIGUEZ? AGAIN, SAFE TO ASSUME WE'RE JUST WORKING OFF OF OUR SIDEWALK AND ROADWAY MASTER PLAN

No, he was asking about road infrastructure, but I think everybody's fine there. So let's move forward with parks. Again, colleagues, are there particular projects that we want to focus on, or do you want a full presentation for the subcategory? What's your pleasure? I'd like to discuss 55, which is the Dante Vassell Community Building Civil Trail, just because I think strategically we need to think about what's next. Any questions on All-America Park?

So are we working to do this project in conjunction with the street crossing all at the same time, or we're going to do them separate? I'm just saying to try to avoid the disarray to one time rather than two separate times.

I MEANT MORE DISRUPTING THE GENERAL PUBLIC.

WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE ONES THAT ARE MARKED FOR THE PARK IMPACT FEES, DO WE HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO COVER

Here I see the Dante Fasel community building that we keep kind of moving and moving and moving. And that's another one where I say in light of what we don't know, I feel that we really need to prioritize the things that we absolutely need. Like during my conversation about that, it was like, okay, we've got... South Miami Park X percent of the way done the parking lot will essentially in the bigger scheme of things Finish that park you'll still have trees or whatever, but that park will be finished Then we look at Dante Faisal and we have you know the possible building. We've got the fitness

There's no general obligation bond if there's no there's property tax reform goes away. So I mean, pretty much. So I have thoughts on that. We can talk about it here at the end. It's not relevant to the program. What I would say with Dante Fussell is, quite honestly, if property tax reform were to happen, we've got a whole inner city hall project that's pretty substantial. Probably, let's just say, worst case, $12 million. It's $3.8 million in cash. If we wanted to fund that or help close that gap, whatever we close by being a little bit more aggressive with a pro forma on the development side

Oh, let's keep in mind. Also. We might have a million dollars coming in from the state Maybe we have five hundred thousand for the building.

Oh, it's five hundred And I don't know that I mean someone were to do that and they operated as a concession agreement You know the one thing with one thing with not doing the projects. We are giving that money back. I It was five hundred thousand dollars that we got in a state appropriation Yeah, so that's the one caveat here, but you know the USTA has now taken over the Crandon tennis center I mean, I don't know what they're planning on doing there another operating on an interim basis for a year, but this is a center I think that seems to have very and you had very healthy top line revenues

I think that's a very smart idea as far as privatizing it. What happens with all the fire truck lane and everything else? They would cover that?

Look, I would imagine they'd have to redesign the whole facility.

So they'd cover all that, even if we do that one signage street?

We can put it out and see if anybody has any interest. I mean, I'm not saying anybody would. I mean, I just don't know. If we're operating it and we're earning $825,000 and there's $400,000 of net receipts, And we don't need that money to cross subsidize. I'm assuming we're subsidizing other recreational programs with that receipt? That's correct, yes. So it does create a hole in our budget. But certainly, if we want to create a standalone program there and have a, not to say state of the art, but a top line facility, there is a way to do it without necessarily financing and operating ourselve

MAYOR? SIR? JUST SOMETHING SMALL. LINE ITEM 67, GENE WILLIS PARK, THE SIGNAGE, WHAT'S ALLOCATED THERE? I KNOW IT'S SMALL. 10,000. WHAT IS IT FOR?

YES, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED. YOU HAVE THE SAME QUESTION I DO, I'M SURE.

Why would we spend $10,000 on a sign if we are likely relocating that park? That doesn't seem like a smart fiscal move.

Okay. One thing that's not on the list, which is the... Anna Price Park for lack of a better description in In yeah, the mangle lots we don't have I don't think we have a capital project for that So I mean I think you know requires if original prioritize something we have the land It's there even if we're not doing a whole host of improvements. I rather spend the 10 grand on that for signage and benches receptacles Then Jean Willis So I don't we want to create a sir desire to create a lot of the manager come back with a line item proposal for some very basic enhancements to that property All r

That's fine. That's great. I just want to make sure that we don't forget about it going forward.

Yes, sir. You're recognized. Just a quick question because we discussed the Dante Vassell building, but I'm not sure if we gave the direction. Would the direction be to leave the line item but potentially look into privatization?

I would say let's hold that for the end. I just want to throw it out there for conversation at the end of the time here together. Further questions on parks?

So I'm looking here, line items 69 and 70 for the Manor Lane property. It says site design. So this is to, I guess, what, hire a landscape architect to create the park?

OKAY. THE ONLY THING I WOULD LIKE TO STRESS IS THAT WE SPENT THE MONEY ON THAT. LET'S MAKE IT A PARK.

There's a strong community outreach to leave it as is, and we can't do that.

I just think that when we're looking not just at that park, at any park that we have, Community input is great and and we need to understand from our perspective as a city What is needed and I'll just use this as an example because I don't know where we are with a dog park We had a dog park and then the dog park went away. We now have no dog park and We're a community with lots of dogs. So while that two block section might not necessarily want a dog park the city as a whole May feel differently or we as professionals you as parks professionals will be able to say, hey, looking at the universe

Yeah, I would just say we need a capital project for that, whether it's, I don't think the existing location was ever ideal. It was serviceable, to be polite. And again, I just want to caution us I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE EXPERIENCE WITH BOB WALSH PARK. IT TURNED OUT FAIRLY NICE, BUT FROM WHAT I KNOW OF THE PROCESS, IT WAS A NIGHTMARE BECAUSE IT WAS DONE BY COMMITTEE. WE HAVE A MASTER PLAN WHERE IT'S IDENTIFIED SERVICE NEEDS. I THINK THAT SHOULD DRIVE WHAT WE PRIORITIZE THE USE OF OTHER that Manor Lane or the Fuchs Park empty space, I'd be thrilled to have a dog park at Fuchs, selfishly, becaus

Which I'm very happy to see is the parking lot for at the No, well that one yes, I'm very but I know that one's already moving forward at Girl Scouts so on 67th so that one we are in the process of doing the engineering for that already and Because I know there were a couple of trees that are protected. So you guys figured out how to go around them?

Because I don't want to see an asphalt parking lot, if that's what we have. We are greener. So I don't know where we are. That's why I want to make sure we're not going down that route.

SACRIFICE WORTH MAKING YES SIR JUST A FOLLOW-UP ON WITH THE MANAGER SO AFTER WE WENT TO THE WHOLE THING WITH THE COUNTY AND I MEAN WE SAW I SAW BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE DRIVE BY THERE EVERY DAY AND AND THERE WAS MOVEMENT AND MOVEMENT AND MOVEMENT AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN IT JUST STOPPED INVASIVE REMOVALS YEAH THE INVASIVE REMOVALS YEAH COMMISSIONER THAT THAT UM

And that was my follow up, the fence. So it has that weird jotting out of that area that they had. So is that still in line?

No problem. Any further questions for the growing parks?

So are we looking at getting 5 in 27, 5 in 28, 5 in 29? Is that why we're seeing the 300 and something thousand every single year? Well, it's like 350, then 330. You see how it runs, 28, 29, 30, 35?

Regarding that, if you could just kind of give us a big picture, how many vehicles have you replaced in the last five years? And how many would we be replacing in the next five under this plan?

Because we could have, it's fair to say we have some of your vehicles that probably have more miles than older ones, depending on where the employee who takes it home lives, correct? So that impacts the useful life. Further questions? Any questions on 96 through 98, which are, look like they're parks, replacement vehicles. Sounds good. Let's move on to city facilities. So I guess, Mr. Riverall, have you got 99 and 100?

I just have a general question when it comes to the garage. And I know the answer is going to be no. But does our revenue in the garage come even close to touching any of this? I feel like every time we see the garage, it's like, you know, I think the British call sprinkles like hundreds of thousands or hundreds of millions. And I feel that's like every time we look at the garage, it's like, like hundreds of thousands and hundreds of thousands. And I'm like, how much money do we make in the garage? Are we ever going to be close? Are we, you know, like, is this like?

We had a good year last year. That's all I'll say for Mr. Ruffalo.

Yes. Well, if we ever get the Padel up and running, then maybe we'll be making some nice money there.

We could do that anywhere. It's not the garage. I mean, I don't count it as a garage revenue, personally. But yes, we can help fill the gap. But you could put it on a surface parking lot. That's my point. OK. Next category, which is we've got Well, we've got the $11.5 million hole on City Hall. You see that in the out here for 2029. Just wanted to make sure we highlight that. So, yeah. Okay, landscaping projects. Mr. Manager, who's got that?

So this $85,000 that we're seeing for the Baptist contribution, that is not a negative number. That is an actual deposit into.

That'll be our money Do you Director do do you know? How the difference between, I would say, the request for trees, you know, since we're talking about canopy, what the request was in 25 and what the request has been in 26? Do you know the difference? I don't know off the top of my head.

Further questions on landscaping? Yes, sir.

I was curious, the estimated, I guess, revenue that we would have or generate from the tree fund at sort of $25,000 a year, is that how much we're expecting to bring in from people paying through permits or anything like that? Because I have seen that number be bigger in years past, and certainly that fund's gotten over $100,000 in it prior to us actually executing on it. I don't know if that was a buildup of four years or if it'll, you know... What would you say on average we're going to be getting from that?

Question on 109. Why is it listed? We don't have a current commitment or a future commitment.

Yeah, the neighbor who uses this extension of his driveway. So he comes out makes a left turn across the parkway, grass on grass be damned. So I think if we're going to do something there we spent a few hundred thousand dollars on the four-street already. Other than some nice trees there's really no discernible difference in terms of the sod and condition of the sod. I think all these need curb, just to kind of limit the abilities for parking. So I would probably close the system. Yes?

So on 84th and on 53rd, from one of the residents' feedback is that the issue is the Amazon trucks. They just park in the middle of the road, and then they cause a backup in traffic, because they get off to deliver the packages. I know the managers fully aware and that's why he's that's why I think He started thinking of all this because of all the delivery trucks and all that that just stopped and then I mean you must see it No, I see it.

It's you know, it's that it's the Parents dropping their kids off or picking their kids up from 50 You don't want to get into the queue and they park on the median and to wait for the kids or I mean it happens all the time, but the point is I We have, I think, I don't know if we removed some of them. Hopefully we did. We put out like 12 no parking signs on one block. It looks ridiculous, yeah. But the signs are very pretty. But it's just the numbers overkill. But the point is I don't know that we're ever going to get a handle on it from an enforcement perspective, unless we literally park a co

I Think that's true on the south side, but on 53rd Terrace. It's not the same It's not parking's on an issue on there. They're not using as at a parking lot on 53rd Terrace So that might be and it's a lot smaller. It's not as big as it is on the south side So just keep that food for thought

I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR THE MANAGER, BUT IN SPEAKING WITH HIM, I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO DO SOME PAVERS WHERE THESE DELIVERY TRUCKS CAN PARK, DO THEIR DELIVERIES AND NOT STOP THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC. I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR YOU.

Yeah, new house has been there constantly finding people literally we just invested all that money on these new trees on the West The portion West of 58th Avenue and new home was being built there every day Yeah, you got construction workers parking on there honestly, it's I mean, the condition's not terrible. It's not nearly the standard I think we would want, but I'd rather not invest any more money there. Or we invest to literally secure it. The Amazon trucks, the reason they're parking on the street is because people have decided to install gates in their front yards so they can't pull int

But that's when we can't write up a ticket. Let them take it to a cohort or a special master and argue it there. I mean, I think the sign is pretty, you can put no parking on the parkway. I mean, so.

Mainly 84th. I don't know how but mainly on 84th because it is a wide enough median and I brought this up to the manager I don't know we didn't really go far in it, but Our residents there have the big issue as far as like on 87th Avenue all the backup that happens there so How would you feel about getting rid of the median and making it two-way street on each side I You can make a left-hand turn now, and now you can keep the traffic going to the right, and you can make a left-hand turn.

You're just going to encourage more cut-through traffic, to be sure, honestly. You're going to invite people to skip the intersection on 5-7 and 80th and head south through the neighborhood. That's all you're going to do. You're not going to solve anything. My humble opinion.

And I tell you as the mom at drop-off in the SUV, I'm not a hater on moms with SUVs. That is me. If you give us more space, we'll take that space, and then we'll take the space you didn't give us, because I can just kind of, I literally crashed on 57th and Sunset one time, because, yeah, shocking to no one, because I was trying to get around a car to be able to go to the beginning of the turning lane, and I clipped them. Well, we would have that every single day if we did that there. But I would suggest maybe we leave the 84th Street alone for now because we realize there's just so much going

I just think you probably have more people who would be opposed to it than would want to see it on that segment. Because now it's a regulated imposition, whereas now it's frequently they can complain about it and hopefully people move along. General infrastructure. So we've got lines 112 to 116. Any questions? No? Okay. So moving on to miscellaneous.

Yep. 116 doesn't have a price line. Can you just update us on that? What's the vulnerability study, implementation and pending? What is that?

Sure. Just a quick rundown. How's the bridge going?

Good to hear. They're well-staffed. They're well-organized. It's a very different experience. Okay. Last segment, miscellaneous. Any questions? Yes, ma'am.

What is number 117, signage for community rating system?

MPDS, right? I'm sorry, you're flooding? Yes. Flood rating system signage.

You see Marcus handing out flooding information at the Chickers Read event at Halloween. It's all to help us improve our rating. Also, it translates into premium reductions for residents.

Director, one of the things that we spoke recently was about GIS digital twins and digitizing a lot of the stuff that we want to start moving into the 21st century. What I only see here on the GIS side, is there a plan, master plan, a platform that we have in place or looking to incorporate all these future endeavors that will be very cost effective and good return on our investments?

Do we want to allocate any funds to this, to that plan? I think that, I mean, I would prioritize this. I mean, I would ask my colleagues to look into it, but I think it's really important for our city.

What does GIS mean? Geographic Information System.

to include there You recognize what's 124 LPR camera system at lot B license plate reader, so you can basically passively collect It's way to passively collect Fees for the use of the parking parking lot Passively yes, they read your license plate you want to give her a quick description I

Because is this what I wanted in the parking garage? That's what I really want to know. That's what I wanted in the parking garage.

And why not do this in the garage itself? So there's no but there's no specific capital project For that expenditure Laz's parking car contract that was approved by this commission included.

Okay, colleagues, I think that's, I think left in the parking lot, Dante, and what we want to do with the $3.8 million, which now includes another $500,000 from the state. I don't know if we, we never landed the plane on, do we want to provide for the other access and advance the current design at the current location? We've kind of pointed out this issue for... A long time. We've got an $11.5 million need on City Hall and possibly no prospects for GOV. which we were planning on funding part of it out that way. So if we took that $3.8 million, that leaves us about $7.7 million still to fill.

You know, it seems to be the two obvious things that get sacrificed, sadly, are this project. The irony is the septic disorder will get done, but not this, which was the impetus for the modification. And then we had planned to use the public benefit money to fund a lot of the streetscape enhancements under the Plusserbia plan. It's the money we collect for the bonuses people pay for building the TSD. And I would include in that basket the TDR revenue, also, where we get a portion of the TDR payments that are made to property owners. So that's, as I mentioned, about $6 million of funding that w

I if I was gonna be voting on public benefit trust fund we we told everybody we would be beautifying our downtown To switch that now to something else. I think it's a very unattractive big and switch And I know that we have needs all over the place, but that's a big need at least for me that's a big need and it's a need that our residents will benefit from all the time and

That's my number one project so for me, it's it's streetscape So the only the only reason I would encourage us to reconsider is the reason I asked question counsel before is All right, so we're gonna have money. We're gonna have money in that trust fund and 25% per the draft interlocal that we all looked at it's got to be spent on infrastructure which includes streets and sidewalks and that's probably enough money to do that. So if we're going to have money trapped in the trust fund, we should spend it on projects that would otherwise be eligible. Those projects I don't think are listed here y

And do you, sorry, do you want me to wait? Do we have an idea of how that money would feed in and when? Because if we're saying we're going to switch out this for this, what does that look like?

My humble opinion, the one thing that we should absolutely make sure we fund the streetscape is Sunset Drive. And that's, Mr. Manager, that's already in process, or do we have a shortfall on finishing the segments on the east half of Sunset Drive?

What is the estimated design cost at this point for?

So I was going to say, you're not wrong, but I think we're going to need both. I think we're going to need the six, and we're going to need the CRA money to get to that 15. And we might even need to come up with more. So both are actual right scenarios. We just, we're going to need both.

OK. Further thoughts? So let's just walk through the math. $15 million to do two blocks. If the only two blocks are a block and a half, because the only two blocks are not going to get rebuilt by third parties. Well, I wouldn't go. I mean, if you're doing City Hall, you're going to assume that the south side of 62nd, sorry, 72nd is going to get done by that project.

Yes. It's going to be built into the civil number for the project, just like it's going to be built into the civil number for Sunset Place.

So the infrastructure, but the streetscape side, the sidewalks, the lighting, all that. Yeah, but it's not. So they're covering a portion. Who covers the north side and who covers by the Chevron and by the little medical building right here?

There's those segments that we have to solve for. What what is not going to get him and I'm just going from what to where we're not going to see other people's money potentially be the solution to fund it is likely going to be on such a drive because We're keeping that street that that envelope the same right with the exception of such a place so I Don't want to prioritize dollars like this on segments where other people's money can be leveraged, right? Avalon Bay should build Look for the new project the segment to join their project. If the works do a project on their project, that should ta

You have Sunset and you have the perpendicular streets as well. So don't forget about those. We have 58th, 58th Court, and then 57th Court. So just make sure we don't forget those. Some of those will be. Some of them will be on the south side. I would say on the east side. The ones that don't touch what you're saying.

But there's more than that. And I just want to remind that. When we were discussing Avalon 2, I wanted them to do both sides. And it ended up going that we're putting up a million dollars now, where they should have been doing both sides.

You were right. No, but I'm saying you were right.

I don't know if that's right, because we don't ask anyone to do projects that don't touch center line opposite. So again, I don't want to say they're right. I understand, but it's not. They're doing it to our standard, right? They're doing it to our standard. So again, it's not a matter of bringing it right or wrong. It's just, again, because I want people that are listening to understand we do not ask that of anybody. The rule is center line to your property, right? Again, I just want to make sure that we are being consistent. If they want to do it, they want to offer it. If we can't afford t

I agree. It was just what dawned on me afterwards was they're doing their side of the street. They're doing the center thing. I don't know what it is, where the four streets meet. They're doing the other street on both sides of the street. So literally, we just stayed with one little piece. And I'm with you. I voted not to do that. And then afterwards, I was like, I? They're doing every other piece.

And if I may, my only reason for having them do it is because they're elevating the street to the sidewalk level. And there's no way of keeping the other side of the sidewalk the same or looking or even connection point from the street to the connection point of the other side. So they automatically bought it because they're touching it. That was my argument at the time. It's a different scenario.

That would be the segment. There's a change of the profile of the street in every segment.

But a typical development would be an asphalt street where you go center line towards the other and you don't have to touch the other side. Here, they're elevating the entire street.

Okay, so $12 million is what's the working number for Sunset Drive? And that's...

And that's 11 to 15 for the whole thing that is being constructed on CDs and design, correct? That's everything that we're drawing up.

Not 73rd Street, but how about the perpendicular streets?

Mr. Munoz, does that include the laterals?

You're in agreement, but that's OK. So we have the revenue. That revenue may not materialize otherwise. OK. OK. If the the conversation is about taking the six million dollars then best case if we Defund Dante and decided we want to explore some sort of a management agreement to procure the facilities We've got three point eight million dollars. We could throw at the City Hall gap We still got seven point seven million dollars to get us all for so I would say that project is effectively dead Which is the one thing?

Yeah If you are imagining that we are able to make up that difference in CRA money. I think before we say this is going to work, that's not going to work, we have a more in-depth conversation of what things look like because on the one hand, that is what I think has been a very big deal for all of us. And the city hall redevelopment is also a big deal in terms of forward-looking revenue or whatever we want to call it. So I think we need to better understand where and what the CRA money would look like, like where would it be coming from, when would it be coming, so that we then are able to say

SO YOU WANT SOME UNDERSTANDING, SHE'S ASKING FOR A CASH FLOW ESTIMATE BY YEAR FOR THAT TAXING for that trust fund line item. And I guess us as a taxing authority, we've got to make some assumptions about what's coming online for fiscal year 27, 28, 29, 30, and maybe 31. And do some takeoffs with that. I mean, some of that's already in the study, but we've got to probably recalibrate it just to run a scenario where there's 10% Commercial property tax base growth versus the cap potentially now being at 5%. So both scenarios. So we can, yeah. Yeah, because it's going to impact the CRA. Well, what

Yes. ATTENDANT AVAILABLE REVENUES BY SOURCE THAT YOU'RE SAYING TO FUND WHATEVER THE OUT-YEAR COSTS ARE. SO YOU WANT TO SEE YOU MATCH UP POTENTIAL REVENUE SOURCES WITH THE COST OF THE CAPITAL PLAN.

THE GOOD THING IS THE STUDENT HOUSING IS GOING TO HAVE TO HURRY UP BECAUSE THEY WANT TO MAKE THE 28.

THEY WANT TO DELIVER IT, YEAH. SO THAT WILL PROBABLY BRING SOME MONEY. JUST TO CLOSE THIS CONVERSATION, I KNOW WE HAVE TO GET READY FOR OUR NEXT MEETING. Shared this out with the manager, and I'll share it publicly with you guys. We obviously went to the voters in 24 to ask them for authorization to spend money to advance some of these projects. Speaking for myself, running the calculator that the governor put together, I'll save $4,000, a little bit less than $4,000 a year in property tax remittances. I don't necessarily want to get out and oppose this thing, but I'm wondering whether it make

That is exactly what I was asking, because I'm like, okay, so if the general public says, sure, no problem, then how would we ever even see that? And so that, thank you.

And just to clarify, since it was not clear. As the tax base grows, it goes at 3% or 4% or 5% based on whatever the caps are. And that number is fixed. So if we said $40 million of debt, but the tax base grows over time, that millage rate automatically has to be reduced. So let's say that we went to market tomorrow and said, theoretically, people said yes, and we went to market for $40 million. And today, just to pick it up, I don't know if this is even close to what it requires, but let's say we have to levy 0.5 additional mils of debt service. As the tax base grows, that would reduce to like

Nobody's gonna understand that at least 80% of our city wouldn't understand what that meant Comments yes, sir.

Just just a reminder. When is it that we need to get the verbiage ready for the Referendum is it after this meeting? I don't remember the date.

Mayor, I don't know if I completely understand the math and all that yet. Neither, so I'm just. Okay, yeah, because what I'm seeing is the cap hit of $800,000 and the max $1.6 million. I don't know how it changes with the millage, especially on the GOB, whatever. I don't understand it yet, so I'll just reserve and I'm going to go research. I don't know.

My preliminary math with Alfredo is that with just standard cost escalation, a lot of that capacity gets eaten up. So we're not going to see, it's going to be compounded beyond the 1.6.

And you probably know this more, I believe actually that Depending on the time frame, more houses opt into the property tax, the homestead exemption. What is it, two years or three years? It's five years. Five years. So after five years, you're in. So that 1.6 is going to grow.

Well, it's going to grow, period, because the valuations will grow. But the impact will be roughly that. probably be higher by the time it actually happens. Those values will likely increase slightly. Yes, sir?

Would the language on the ballot be kind of contingent on the reduction?

Correct, yeah. I think it would be something that we can work on, some language just basically, if this passes and you save money, would you be open to the city increasing or passing a debt service village? Would increase the total levy but still result in? Savings so I'm not saying that I would not get as aggressive as asking in my case for a full $4,000 back, but do we want to ask for? See we can get 50% of it back so we can actually advance some projects I mean for me marginally and the money's important, but it's not I would frankly prefer to see Living community has a very nice town cente

Certainly have a better quality life And I think a reason that that makes a lot of sense is basically if this gets passed It's gonna be very unlikely. We're gonna be able to use that geo be money the way that we originally intended Yeah, and I and I would rather rely on

an actual referendum, then poll it, because certainly there's all these skepticism about polling these days. And if we have an opportunity to ask voters what they think and be guided by that, I mean, we may choose never to exercise that discretion, but at least we know after that snapshot in time, people prioritize this enough that they want it, would give us the authority, or at least would be comfortable with us doing it. We stand adjourned.