City Commission - Regular Meeting

Okay, good evening, everyone. It is now 7.15 and we will call to order this meeting of the South Miami City Commission. Today is Tuesday, June 9th, 2026. Again, please silence or turn off your cell phones. We appreciate it. Madam Clerk, if you could please call the roll.

Thank you, Madam Clerk. Let's rise for a moment of silence and then followed by the Pledge of Allegiance. Would one of our scouts like to lead the Pledge of Allegiance?

Did you get a public speaking credit? There you go. Come on up.

Come up to that microphone right there. I'll tell you when to get started, okay?

Okay, before you sit down, can you give us your names, please?

Andrew, what's your last name? Do you have one? Torrea. Torrea? Great. Where do you live, Andrew?

Carlos, and where do you live? How old are you guys and what grade are you just finished?

Awesome. And how about you? What badge have you earned so far? Are you guys bears or what are you now in the scouting process?

Second class. Okay. Awesome. Thank you guys. Appreciate your help. Okay, we're going to move on to public remarks. If you have not registered for public remarks, there is a list available up front. Please come up and register. On the list first is Joel Valdez, Master Road. Sir, good evening. You're recognized.

Great. Just name and address for the record, please.

Just to clarify, you're here on item two?

We appreciate your comments. What I'll do is, since it's an item on the agenda, when it comes up, it's not a public hearing item, but since you're here, if you wait, once staff makes their presentation, if you want to add something else into the record by way of clarifying remarks, we can have some more conversation on that time. Okay? Thank you. Thank you for coming. Elizabeth Holtz, you're up next. Good evening.

I'm sorry to interrupt. What is the address you're referring to again?

Yeah, no problem. So let me clarify. So we all level set. The property across the street, as you know, is owned by the county. It's been a public housing site historically. The building that's being built, unfortunately, it's not being approved by us. The county has the authority to take preempt our zoning powers, and in this case they have, and they've designated part of the rapid transit zone corridor, and so they have assigned the zoning to that site, and they are approving the project that's going on there. So with this board, we approve the first phase, right, under our rules, which is wh

We'd have to direct you to the county, your county mayor and your county commissioner.

It's the gym. Somi or the gym? I'm sorry, that's why I'm confused.

The gym and the school are not at all related. Yes, the clinic, yes.

On the south side? Yeah. Okay, so you're at 5871.

Okay, so the next block down is the school you're referring to.

No, we understand it, and I will say we have another conflict like this that's being created on 62nd Avenue, and we've decided individually that we want to jump in and work with the development team to make sure that we don't have the same imbalance on that side. Unfortunately, this one, quite honestly, my understanding, it's already been approved at the county administratively, so I don't want to make any promises that we can do anything here really to intervene.

So on that point, Mr. Manager, this is not being permitted through our auspices, correct? It's being permitted through the county? So even on the building side, I just want to clarify, it's being reviewed by the county? So all the conflicts around construction staging and construction management where we may require a construction management plan, we don't have any purview over that. It's all being handled at the county. So again, we're happy if you want to have staff speak to you and put you in contact with some of the District 7 staff so you can kind of meet with them and they can tell you h

And that we've been working on because that is something we've been managing. We created no parking area on the west side and started to clamp down on the enforcement there and on the northern street, I think, where you live. So hopefully that situation has gotten better over the last year or so.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ON 67th STREET? YES. WE CAN WORK WITH YOU AND MR. RIVERALE TO SET UP A RESIDENT PARKING AREA THERE AND HELP MANAGE THAT WITH, YOU KNOW, YOU ALL GETTING, YOU KNOW, ALFREDO DECALS. THANK YOU FOR THE WORD. DECALS SO THAT WE KNOW WHO LIVES THERE, RIGHT? AND WE CAN ENFORCE THE CARS THAT ARE JUST PARKING ON THE STREET WITHOUT AUTHORIZATION.

Well, your house looks immaculate, so thank you for that.

Thank you very much. Mr. Riverall, you can speak to him about the parking decal program, and we'll get... No. Carlos is there. There you go.

Thank you for coming. We appreciate it. Okay, next on the list, Ms. Gloria Brown. We got you already. I'm sorry, Gloria. Mr. Ward, you're next on the list. I apologize.

Thank you, sir. We appreciate the comments. Mr. Williams, you're up next.

Thank you, Mr. Travis. John Edward Smith, you're next on the list.

Thank you, sir. We appreciate you. Elizabeth Marin, next on the list. You sure? Okay, no problem. Javier Banos. And Javier, I won't comment on the uniform, I promise.

I think we're good, but thank you for mentioning her.

Thank you, Mr. Banos. And to you and the other fathers and mothers who volunteer, thank you for your service as a volunteer to Scouting.

It's public remarks, so it's open. You get three minutes. You can come talk about anything you want. We've got to listen to you. Sir, come on up. You gotta come to the microphone. Might as well take advantage and get a public speaking badge while you're here.

Okay, so just in case, there's a bathroom out the door to the left, okay? Can't miss it. If you want a water bottle, we've got one right behind the clerk here. So if you're nice, they'll get you one, okay? Anybody else wanna speak? Who's brave enough to come up and say something? Mr. Leon, you're recognized. Floor is yours. Let's go, sir. Mr. Leon, should I get our officer in the back to come and escort you up to the microphone? No? No takers? I promise, we don't bite up here. Actually, you know what? Let's sweeten the pot, literally. Do we still have cookies left over?

Okay, anybody who comes up and speaks, there are chocolate chip cookies in the room. You can walk away with. Mr. Bass, you get paid to speak. No double dip, okay? If you're a Boy Scout and you want to come up and speak, oh, hey, oh, look, this mayor is taking us up on the offer.

Great. So the basin that you're talking about is not part of the project that we may award this evening. It's our priority basin at the southern end of the city near Dante Pistole Park. So we've been working on a series of priority basins, that basin and one near Twin Lakes. our top two priority basins. And so those will probably go first. At some point in our master plan, resources permitting, we'll hopefully get to the rest of the city, okay?

Okay, boys, chocolate chip cookies on the line. Who wants to come up and speak? You get your mayor badge and a cookie. Okay, we're gonna give it a going once. Yeah, going twice. Not one? Wow, okay, well then, we're gonna go ahead and close public remarks unless, Madam Clerk, is there someone online?

Kim Shakaya, you wanted to say something in public remarks?

Mr. Bonius, I had a question for you. I just had a meeting today about other scouts. I forgot what number they were. But they were really interested in doing some community service projects collectively with other PACs and stuff like that. Is that something that we can kind of get more people involved as a community service? I mean, I don't know what the age requirements are, if it's older, younger, so they can start working on that. But there is a lot of opportunities that we have in the city that we're gonna start working on where we can have a lot more help from scouts like that.

Keep your mind open if you're looking for more activities.

We're not taking action on Cub Scouts or Boy Scouts. I don't know. I can pass your number.

Thank you guys for coming. Okay, we're going to close public remarks. And Mr. City Manager or Mr. City Manager, any item that we need to defer on this agenda?

So, okay, the agenda is otherwise set then. Okay, no deferrals, no requests for non-action. Which are the procurement items we need to take up first? Two? Are we doing anything on the cost of the pictures or anything? Yeah, we have a birthday boy in the house, Mr. Steven Kulik, who's our procurement director, so we wanna help usher him. Happy birthday, sir. We wanna try to get him home to his family, so item two. Any other items? Two, three, four, are those the only items we have?

Okay, let's, can you read to the record item three and item four, Madam Clerk? Let's get the two last. I know, but let's get the two last since we do have a potential objector.

Can I get a motion on item three, please?

Okay, and a motion by Commissioner Boniche and a second by Commissioner Kaye. Madam Clerk, if you can call the roll, please.

A motion by Commissioner Kaye and a second by Commissioner Moniz. Madam Clerk, if you can again call the roll, please.

So let's take the harder one up now, which is item two. If you could read that into the record, please.

Thank you. Attorney, before we start, since I know that Mr. Valdez was here on behalf of, I guess, Master Road, is there anything from a procedural perspective or any... Is it okay if I recognize him for two to three minutes in terms of allowing him some rebuttal at the staff representation? You can certainly hear him out. Without prejudice to our position on the issue? Correct. You can certainly hear him. Fair enough. So, Mr. Valdez, what I'm going to do is have staff come up and give us their presentation, their rationale for making the reward. You can listen to it. If you want to then add s

Thank you, Mr. Munoz, you're recognized.

Colleagues, any questions of Mr. Muñoz? No. Just since we have the, again, Master Road finishers here, can you elaborate on what was missing specifically from their proposal?

Okay. Any questions regarding those omissions? Yes, sir. You're recognized.

And just the record, Mr. Munoz, I recall when we discussed this in my briefing, there were roughly a checklist of 23 items.

Okay, but that was when I remembered my number being. So the, again, the contractor we are, you're recommending we select provided all 23 items? Yes. Okay. And do we have any information on what, again, from Mr. Valdez, so he can hear the detail, roughly how they graded out on requirements versus actually requirements satisfied on that checklist? Okay. Thank you. Okay. Yes, you're recognized, sir.

Hi, so he had mentioned the bonding proof as a point, but you didn't mention that. Was that not a division? He complied with bonding, yes. Okay, thank you very much.

Further questions? Okay. Mr. Munoz, we'll pause there. If we have any follow-up questions, we'll recognize you again. Mr. Valdez, if you want to come up now, I'll give you a couple minutes.

Now, for us- I'm sorry, to the best of your knowledge, you did or did not? I'm sorry. We did. We did, okay.

Thank you for that. Colleagues, any discussion on the item? You're recognized. Thank you.

Do we ever reopen these things based on this type of conversation or have we?

So let me ask this question, if I may, just to build on maybe your thought. Is there an opportunity to cure on the part of the bidder if there's missing information? So were they notified that there was information missing, and were they given a chance to supplement their submittal? Was that offered to all the parties, none of the parties, some of the parties? Commissioner Bonita, is that where you were going, more or less?

Yes, but no, because what I'm trying to figure out is if... If we ever go back, simply because there is such a, as he does mention, it's over a million dollars. A million dollars is the parking lot at South Miami Park. So when you look at this, how often or do we ever say, hey, let's open it up again, reach out to these five people or whatever. Do we ever do that? I don't.

So then all these people would have to bid- Would have to re-bid, correct.

Can I ask a follow-up question to Mr. Munoz and maybe Mr. Kulik? I'm assuming we had a bit information session where people could come, ask questions, make sure they understood what was required in the solicitation by way of responses and documentation. Sorry to make you work on your birthday, Steve.

Thank you. Colleagues, any other questions? Okay, let's just close questions. Let's discuss the item if you want, and then we'll entertain a motion. Madam Commissioner, did you want to start? You said your piece? Okay, okay. Commissioner Kaye, anything you want to add for the discussion?

I just had one question. The source of funding for this particular contract is the- It's a combination of local money match- Federal and state.

Federal and state, correct. Yes, sir. Further questions or comments? Mr. Vice Mayor?

For me, I just want to say, I mean, based on what it sounds like, it seems like it was fair by our processes. And just looking at the price, it is below the median of range within the proposal. So I'm not as concerned on the price side. Obviously, one was more affordable than others, but we followed it fairly, and it's below the median.

Sorry, we're closed with any public comment on this, so.

I understand the reservation on the Delta. I will tell you this, the last experience we had, We went with the low bid, and again, that firm was bonded. To me, the bonding is obviously a minimum requirement. Part of the process, given the nature of this work, which is very much in your face, literally in the trenches with neighbors whose lives you're disrupting, is about making sure that you've got excellent communication. And I think that communication process starts with putting together a bid document that's fully responsive. To me, it's an indication of how much the person really took the t

Commander, you bring up a good point beyond the standard. I think we also need to think about we put out a notice, an invitation to bid. If we don't live by the terms, we're reducing the amount of predictability and it's going to reduce the amount of, I mean, we had 11 responses here in contrast to the last one. I think that also speaks volumes about the level of predictability people see when they want to contract with us. if we walk away from a solicitation and a process that we designed, right, and send a message to the market that could undermine our ability to get better pricing on future

So we don't have an administrative process. Correct. It is a legal process. Correct. So, again, you are within your rights to do whatever you feel is appropriate. Again, I... No. We look we hopefully there'll be an opportunity for us to contract. This is not a one-off project for for us Hopefully we'll see what happens with November and our ability to do more projects But again, I wanted to expand on the record loop as you understand Why we're making the choice that we're making it's not just about every dollar understood. Thank you. Thank you For the questions comments, no, is there a motion?

Thank you. Steve, happy birthday. Get on home.

Yeah. Let's move to consent item one, please.

Colleagues, are there any questions regarding CA-1? You have a question? Go ahead, ma'am.

Can we please clarify where the funds for this are coming from?

Move it then. Move the motion. Is there a second? Second. A motion by Commissioner Rodriguez, a second by Commissioner Corey. Madam Clerk, if you can call the roll, please.

Thank you. Okay, let's take up the presentations quickly. Mr. Rivero.

Okay, let's take up another item while we're waiting then. Can we take up?

Sorry, Carlos. Good evening. Good to see you.

Thank you. Just by way of context, I've been talking with Mr. Riverall about trying to enhance people's ability to kind of find parking in the district. Became aware of one of these vendors and forward along the information he then shared with me the fact that now pay by phone, which my recollection when I lived in D.C. used to have the ability to find parking on their platform is now partnered with Up City. So the idea was to have a conversation as we kind of started our budgeting process about whether or not we want to look at integrating some of this technology to manage our on street parki

Yeah, they basically, so let's go through the presentation. They'll tell you how it works, but basically through these apps, you'll see that they will help you direct you to available parking inventory in the city. Just give us your name and address for the record, please. Thank you.

Thank you. Quick questions, colleagues. Go left to right. Ladies first.

Thank you. So literally I'll be able to pop open Pay By Phone if this existed here and click find a spot and it would send me to wherever the spot was.

Mr. Vice Mayor. Thank you. I just had two questions. One, do you happen to know, just off the top of your head, what percentage of people end up using this through the pay by phone app, using the actual wayfinding and maps?

Yes, and the second question, I was excited to hear that most people end up adopting it at year two, and the free model for the first year is obviously amazing. I'm curious what type of KPIs or ROI do they look at to say, wow, I really wanna do this for the second year?

Great, thank you. Thank you. Mr. Rodriguez.

Thank you for the presentation I much appreciate it what is the typical installation for the hardware on the sensors how do you install that?

And what's the distance between sensors on a long road, for example? How often do you want to have them, like any five, 10 spots?

So those are the central locations in blue? Correct. These are the proposed ones. The 82 that you're proposing?

And you said that the current usage model that you guys, what cities are you guys working with right now?

AND THE WAY YOU DEPLOY IN THESE SPECIFIC CITIES IS JUST AN API YOU ATTACH TO THEIR PLATFORM AND IT'S ONLY SPECIFIC IN THOSE AREAS?

And maybe after this, maybe you can send us through somehow a demo of how the GUI actually works through the platform, how easy it is to find. And then obviously, you know, if we do decide to move forward with this, the ability to market this is going to be pretty big. I'm not really sure on the ROI yet, and I really kind of want to study that, but I would want to understand the go-to-market strategy and how do we get more people adapting to this. I just wanted to see what it looks like and how we can adapt it. I appreciate it.

Um, Sean, thank you for the presentation. Um, I swear I must have to pass the light because I remember experiencing this in DC when I'm barking at the National Mall. I'm not sure if it's ever been pioneered elsewhere under their platform. Yes, sir.

No problem, sir. Again, my only interest is in understanding if we were to adopt this and work with you and pay by phone, whether we can actually message proactively to registered users the existence of this feature so they actually can get something at a touchpoint as soon as we deploy it.

Great. Good to know. Okay. Thank you very much. We appreciate it. Carl, we've got Joppa next. Do you want to introduce?

Matthew, give us one second so we can take down the other presentation. There you go. Now we got you on screen. Excellent.

Thank you very much. I appreciate it. Any comments or questions? No, no, nothing from over here.

The hardware is individually on each parking. Is that what it was like a small beacon?

But if you want individual spaces allocation, you would need to put it on each spot, right? Each parking spot?

And do you have a cost structure on this? I don't remember seeing that in the presentation.

So, okay. Yeah. I mean, we do have a lot of parking spots. So, I mean, we allocate 1,200 to 1,500 spots. You know, order of magnitude, we want to understand, like, what that would look like. I understand the first year. I mean, I just don't understand the cost structure. But if you can give us an example, that would be great to understand that.

Yeah, sorry. Go for it. I was going to say, the last question I had was that you need to download the app that you guys have? Or is it fully integrated with what people are already using for parking?

Thank you. So that little black circle, you put it on the floor of the parking space? Where does that go?

Yes, sir. Hi, thank you. Just quick question. Up City had mentioned that it was also able to track pedestrian double parking, things like that. This is mostly just focused on parking and parking spaces, correct?

Okay, really appreciate the presentations. I had seen this presentation before, so I don't have any questions. Colleagues, the point was just to kind of bring information forward since we're heading into a budget cycle. I thought if we have an interest, we can maybe task or ask the manager and Mr. Riverall to kind of explore or come up with a recommendation about adoption of this or, you know, technology, similar technology from another provider and see if it's something we want to consider incorporating into our fiscal year 27 budget if we think it makes sense. I mean, my goal was simply to T

I love the idea of sensor technology, especially ones we can adapt as the technology gets better. I mean, right now we could also just put a printed sign with an arrow that says 200 spots available to our garage, but eventually we are gonna need to get higher tech.

I would say, Mayor, that I struggle with the ROI right now. I know it's a city of pleasant living type of thing where we can make facilities, and I love it. I think we should add it just to the discussions as we continue with budget. I just don't know where the priority lies this year coming up, but we can discuss it.

Yeah, I'm sorry. On the job of presentation, did you guys, I stepped out for a second to go to the restroom. I've had an ROI conversation before with one of your, can you- Well, the first one had an ROI.

I mean, there's some use cases. There's a use case in California. I think on a campus, I forget, on a campus I was, anyhow, I think Mr. Riverall certainly can get us that information so you can see what the return on investment has been in some other use cases. and we can decide whether it applies here or not. I know we've talked about, you know, maybe each technology has its own use case, right? And some are better suited for others. So again, I don't wanna, we don't need to make a decision here. The point was, if there's an interest, just wanna get direction to the administration to work on

I'd rather look at some more information. I requested some information. GUI, understand how the interconnections are. The second one, Joppa, I just asked, the integrations, if it's paid by phone or not, versus the Joppa app and how that works. I just want to see that, because if we're not going to have people using it, it's kind of a waste of time.

No, I 100% agree. My conversation with Joppa, my concern was their app, to me, is not what people are already using. My goal was, since they have a backend API, if they can get on the other platforms. I think that makes sense, right? If it can integrate, I agree. I want to meet people where they're at, not try to offer them something new. Okay. So with that, do we want to explore this further?

Well, I think we are. I think we requested for some information. Okay, great. Fair enough.

So let's move the conversation forward. And with that, let's move on to the next item. Thank you both for your presentations. We appreciate it. Okay. Colleagues, where do we wanna go next? Do we wanna go take item? We've got people here I know on the TSDD. We've got people, so let's see. We've got CRA, so you wanna take up item 11. That should be pretty straightforward. Madam Clerk, if you can read item 11, please.

Thank you, colleagues. Any questions of the City Attorney or administration on this item? Anyone want to move adoption? This is a public hearing item, so let me open up the public hearing. If there's any member of the public who'd like to address this commission on item 11, which is the resolution approving and adopting the South Miami CRA redevelopment plan, please come forward at this time.

Okay, seeing no one in the chamber and no one online, we'll close the public hearing. Is there a motion to adopt? I'll move it. We get a motion by Commissioner Rodriguez and a second by Commissioner Kaye. Madam Clerk, if you can call the roll, please.

Thank you, Madam Clerk. Does the attorney recognize me?

I spoke with the applicant. I've spoken to him many times outside of today. Okay. He just called to explain what was coming.

I did as well. I had a conversation with Garcia last, I think it was last Thursday. Okay. He just briefly explained that he was asking for, I guess, a limitation on the number of stories that could be built on the lot. Okay.

I did not. Okay, thank you. I did not add. Thank you. Mayor? I said thank you. Just quickly, are there any objections that are record? Anyone hearing an objection to the application?

Is there anyone here in the audience who's here to object to the application? No, okay. So we all have...

Appreciate that. Okay, so with that, has everyone reviewed the staff presentation? Anyone have any questions of staff regarding the recommendation to approve and the modification to the conditions? No, okay. So this is a public hearing item, so we'll open up the public hearing again formally. Is there anyone in the public who'd like to address this commission with respect to item 10? Madam Clerk, is there anyone online?

Seeing no one in the chamber, I know we only will close the public hearing. Mr. Garcia, unless you want to say something, we'll entertain a motion to adopt. Okay, thank you. Who wants to move it? I'll move the motion. A motion by Commissioner Rodriguez and a second by Commissioner Moniz. Madam Clerk, if you can call the roll on item 10, please.

Thank you. Okay. Let's take up item eight, please.

Thank you, Madam Clerk. Mr. State Attorney, do you want to walk us through this one quickly?

Colleagues, you want to hear from any representatives from Anchor or Baptist? Okay. The floor is yours. Good evening.

Thank you. We can take, you want to have questions? Okay, please, you're recognized.

I'm famous for not saying the nice thing or... Do you need a translation? Yeah, right. Do I need a translation? I probably do. If I were building my house and it was approved a certain way, and I'll actually use an example that I learned from Danny Rodriguez a couple of years ago. If I was putting a pool in my house and... For whatever reason, I pushed it too far back, and now the pool is in the area the pool is not supposed to be in. The answer was, too bad, so sad. Rip out your pool. Do it right. And I feel a lot of times we give people who have bigger projects a pass, or we try to find a wa

So I'll just, I'll need to just add a couple thoughts since I, you know, I was incensed probably. When I saw the condition, I was annoyed initially by the backflow preventer being put right at the corner of a very prominent intersection at an E building that I'm looking forward to inaugurating hopefully very soon. I'm grateful that you guys removed that. You've now put it up against the back column so it's, not visible from the right-of-way. That was not a condition of any approval. But it did trigger me as I was driving by. Triggered is probably the right word. I was driving by, bringing my s

So when I toured the facilities and we reviewed a lot of the things that were being discussed and I met with the management group and did a tour, the facility looks great. The hospital is going to be fantastic. I can't wait for you guys to open. But we did speak about those three things, right? So the enclosures and the louvers have been taken care of. The front piping system has been taken care of and the east side corridor has not. So an eight foot tree, which you want to stand up again, that's not a lot, right? And what we spoke about when I spoke with you and the team was that we were goin

And again, I'm going to call them, they look like a Christmas tree, right?

They kind of get bushy right at the bottom, so they do widen out.

So, you know, again, I had seen the mullion option. That alone to me would not, I mean, I saw the mullion option and it just basically lines on the green grade. I think it really made a difference in terms of people's perception of the garage. I thought the landscaping... would be fine. I didn't dictate the landscaping. I just basically punted it to our staff. And I think, again, I don't want to, Mr. Cabrera, if you want to address it as to why you thought this was an acceptable execution, happy to have you kind of share that with my colleagues.

Director, it would have been something that we're trying to do as much mature landscaping as we can. Is it something feasible that we can require? And I'm not telling you to throw these trees away, so just hear me out for a second. On the west side, we have a fence wall that lines and is neighbors with the apartment buildings. We don't have any hedge or landscaping on that particular fence. Is that accurate? Correct. Okay. Is it feasible? I'm just here trying to amend what my colleague wants here. Is it feasible for us to put those eight footers and kind of spread it across the back and fill i

Is there space on your property on that west side to even put trees? Or would you be then reaching out to the building of the residence to ask if you put it there?

I thought the easement was at least five feet or something like that. You could fit something on there.

Because I think visually we're seeing the fence set back from the back of curb. You're saying that fence is not at the property line. Okay. So that's why there's a gap. So it's feasible, but it would require their cooperation. I mean, look, if we can get some more landscaping on the west side, I'm I think that's a positive improvement. I mean, what's the board's pleasure? What do you wanna do here? Danny, sorry.

I will say this. I hope y'all are as agreeable with the city as the city is being with you because I know there's lots of conversations happening about the city hall property. I think that'll be interesting how those pan out later. Because I tell you what, these four gentlemen are being, I think, beyond gracious with y'all. Not with you, because you don't build the building, but with your team. Because if it was a resident building a house, I doubt we would be having this conversation.

Okay, with respect to the item that's before us, is there a motion to adopt it with an amendment? And then would we like to get the city attorney's recommendation as to what that amendment would look like? So Mr. City Attorney, my concern about the request is not that it's not unreasonable, but is their ability to perform, right? And so how can we style this so that it puts the onus on them to use, I mean, as a- Best efforts. Best efforts, commercial, you know,

I think that would be the... And what would be the time frame in which we would want to see that executed? Is it before CO or... How far are you guys from getting a TCO? Or do you have one already?

Yeah, okay, so what is your recommendation, sir?

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. What do you mean by that's wrong?

And our goal with the landscaping, whatever form it takes, would be to screen the loading dock and the west side of the garage. So that length, I don't know if that's the full run of the property or not, or a portion of it, what are we trying to, I just wanna be clear, but what our goal is that we're trying to obscure. Those two elements, correct?

I hadn't really thought about that. I was thinking about the whole side.

Okay, so for the length of the western boundary of the property, it sounds like is the consensus here.

Yeah, because if not, it's going to look like broken teeth. It's going to look like broken teeth, you know.

Well, you can get excellent care at South Miami Hospital if you do have one, so.

I think we need to make it a modification, because there's got to be a maintenance obligation on their part as well.

All right. We're clear on what we're asking for? Yes, sir. Okay. So it's the installation and the maintenance along that western boundary. Okay. Yep. In addition to what's already in the proffer.

Okay. More mature trees on the east side, right?

Do we want to specify a minimum height for the trees? Three leases tall.

Three leases tall. I just think if there's stuff already there, it's like, what are you going to do? It's going to be like the Oompa Loompas, only leases. You're okay leaving it? Yeah, I mean, at this point, we're going to rip out what's there. We know that it's...

So minimum made feed, is that what we're looking for?

No, no, no. That's what's on the east side. We're talking about the west side. Look, the east side, honestly, I don't know if the height personally matters that much. You're talking about a, how tall is the first door of the parking deck? Not even 10 feet, right? Yes, sir. So I would tell you, if we're going to go for size, I would ask them to spend the effort on the west side to protect the residents.

Especially because the city attorney searched it up, and these trees go two to three feet a year.

So, okay. Yeah, they do. I call them a Christmas tree. They seem to grow quickly, and they grow wide. So I think they'll do a nice job of obscuring that frontage.

So we should focus our efforts on the west, which is where it's really going to be.

On the west side we're planting the same trees?

So, well, do we want to make the condition, say the recommendation, is that our arborist, their arborist, who do we want to rely on here? Or any arborist?

Fair enough. Okay. Okay, so you won't specify the form of the installation, it's just gotta be muster, okay. Is there a motion to adopt the resolution as amended? I'll move it. Okay, is there a second? Second. A motion by Commissioner Kaye, a second by Vice Mayor Corey. Madam Clerk, please call the roll.

Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Okay. Let's move on to items 12, 13, 14, 15. What? What number are you? 12. 12 as well. So let's take up item 12. Then we'll move on down the line. Anybody else for any other items? You guys are here on 13? 13. Leave those flat.

Okay, colleagues, do you have any questions of Mr. Alvarez regarding this particular item? No, okay. This is a public hearing item. If there's any member of the public who'd like to address this commission regarding item 12, which is, again, an ordinance to amend the TSDD district regulations and provide for new definitions, clarifying some provisions and modifying certain procedures, please come forward at this time. Madam Clerk, is anyone online?

Mayor, did you want to have the attorney just give a quick synopsis on it?

Do we have any modifications since we last heard the item?

Colleagues, any concerns about the modification as presented? No? Okay. Okay, we opened up the public hearing. We saw no one come forward in the chamber or online, so we'll close the public hearing. Is there a motion or any further discussion on item 12? I'm good, so I'm good on this. So seeing no discussion, who'd like to move it? Is there a second? Second. A motion by Commissioner Kaye, a second by Vice Mayor Corey. Madam Clerk, please call the roll.

Thank you, Madam Clerk. Um, Mr. Attorney, do you want to walk us through any changes?

Colleagues, any questions of this attorney? Okay. This is a public hearing item, so let's open this up for public hearing. Any member of the public who'd like to address this commission on item 13? Again, which is modification to the bonus allocation regulations in the TSTD, not related to TTDRs. Please come forward at this time.

Seeing no one in the chamber and no one online, we will close the public hearing. Colleagues, any comments regarding this item? If not, I'll entertain a motion to adopt. Is there a motion? I'll move the motion. Is there a second? Second. We have a motion by Commissioner Rodriguez, a second by Vice Mayor Corey. Madam Clerk, if you can please call the roll.

Thank you, Madam Clerk. Uh, Mr. Attorney, just procedurally to make sure we're in the right posture, we're discussing this. Uh, if we adopt 14, do we need to take any action on 15 or does that item get tabled or withdrawn?

Fair enough. Okay. So, um, colleagues, uh, do we need to hear a presentation from Ms. Cabrera? No. Okay. Any, so no questions regarding, you have a question, please go ahead.

I know we had had a conversation about you had to have a certain amount of points, which was something you had brought up.

So I think the way the ordinance had been modified, it basically we were essentially leaving the solar mandate in place. And this becomes a method for opting out of it if you at least satisfy tier one. And that keeps us in compliance with the governing state, the now newly revised state regulations.

That's correct. In keeping with the statute. Yep.

And can we just get an example of Tier 1? Because not everybody will read this.

Sure. Ms. Cabrera, you want to give us a...

No, and I think it's good for people to like just hear that there are options and what even they look like.

Thanks. Yes, sir. You're recognized, Vice Mayor.

And I guess just like we've done with the zoning, if at all possible, as early as possible, the applications that come in, if we see any issues, revising this would be a great idea because I want to make sure that it has staying power and it's successful. So just like we've done with the zoning, if you come back to us, we're happy to make any adjustments based on what you're seeing.

Great, thank you. Just on that point, just to piggyback on his, Mr. City Attorney, sorry to steal your, for a second, but to the Vice Mayor's point, I'm sorry, I'm getting tired here. If we observe some issues with this, that in fact it's either not working or it's too easy for folks to satisfy the tier one requirements, What Senate bill is it again?

Okay. That's what I wanted to confirm. Yeah. So there's no issue with SB 180 because, again, we're not making our ordinance more restrictive than the date of that. Correct. Correct.

Just want to confirm for the Vice Mayor's benefit that we do have that flexibility. Thank you. Okay. Further questions? This is a public hearing item. If there's any member of the public who'd like to address this commission on item 14, again, which is the adoption of some new sustainable development regulations in our land development code, please come forward at this time.

Seeing no one in the chamber and no one online, we will close the public hearing. Colleagues, do we have a motion to adopt item 14? A motion by Commissioner Bonich and a second by Commissioner Kaye. Madam Clerk, please call the roll.

Okay. My personal opinion is just to basically withdraw it and allow them to travel under the new regulations.

Fair enough. Okay, great. Okay, let's jump to item five. Peacock should liven up the conversation.

Thank you, Madam Clerk. Commissioner, the floor is yours.

We originally had something in the books for peacock mitigation, and it didn't pan out the way that we had hoped. We continue to have real and major issues in our city with peacocks destroying people's cars, their roofs, all kinds of things. They're pooping everywhere. While they're very pretty, they're also very destructive. This is essentially a mechanism asking the county to just re-examine where we're at because they're invasive. They're not, in my opinion, not safe to be around because we all know I am not a bird person. But we have to do something. Doing nothing, well, we all know I'm te

Thank you. Was there any additional comments or questions?

Great, thank you. And Commissioner Kaye? Okay. I didn't have one either. I guess we could do both. We could have the city pursue it and we could still send something to the county without running a foul.

Oh, that was a good one. That was a good one.

Watch out. I don't get this opportunity very, okay. So with that, I'll entertain a motion.

Thank you, Madam Clerk. Again, Commissioner Winning, this item is yours, so you're recognized.

When this came across my email, I thought to myself, wow. At last, we have a way to actually voice our support in a unified way. I think that we often see people here, there, and everywhere. But I think rarely do you see it happen municipality by municipality. So I believe all of us received this in our email. The city attorney was nice enough to send me the ideas maybe from one or more than one of y'all. to reword some of this because I understand that it can read a little much. I get it. So there were two changes or suggestions for change. One of them was on page two, the one, two, three, fo

No, I mean, I suggest that this attorney is a modification for us to consider. I want to support the item. I had a little heartburn about a couple of the statements in some of the recitals. I could understand. For me, that issue is a particularly personal one because I had an uncle who had a chance to work abroad in Canada. I call him an uncle. He's more like a fourth cousin, a third cousin. But...

My Cuban uncle, yeah. But literally he was paid by the state a tenth of what they were paying this foreign entity. And whether you were working abroad or working on the island... you're not allowed to contract freely for your labor, and there really is no freedom in any society unless you can actually earn money without the government as an intermediary. And so, I know I sound like a Republican right now, but anyhow.

I'm sure I am. Here's the thing, though. You're right. I'm warming my heart.

No, Travis is going to pull my party card in the back there in a second. But anyhow, Travis even agrees with me on this point.

No, and the worst part is that not only, you say, the government of Cuba is benefiting from labor. They're oppressed, and then on top of that, THE PEOPLE BENEFITING FROM THIS ARE DIRECTLY THEIR OPPORTUNITIES.

I SUGGESTED IT BEING AMENDED IN A PARTICULAR RECITAL. I'M OPEN TO HAVING IT INCLUDED WHEREVER YOU AND THE CITY ATTORNEY THINKS IT MAKES REED'S MOST Reads most artfully. Okay.

And then the second one was in section two, which is on the last page at the top. The expression of support recognition of Cuban Independence Day, supporting Cuban's right to freedom of expression and support for actions taken by U.S. government. The city commission hereby approves this resolution and supports the Cuban people and further urges the U.S. government to such action in support of Cuban sovereignty. And then you had written as determined by the Cuban people. I went back and forth with the city attorney on this to see if maybe we found a better way to write that, simply because I al

I don't wanna get into a philosophical discussion about this. No, no, no, I'm just. It's a little far beyond our.

Can I tell you, and I'm not opposed to it, I'm just wondering if that's the last way we wanna write it.

Yeah, the reason I included the statement that way is because I certainly have no love lost for Nicolas Maduro, but I don't think if I spoke to my long deceased Cuban nationalist grandfather, Miguel San Pedro, and he were commenting on what happened in Venezuela, he'd be more upset about that happening in Cuba. And this is a man who spent every one of his 59 years leading protests on streets here and organizing labor strikes to support Cuban sovereignty and independence. But he would be offended by US intervention in what he would see fundamentally as an issue of Cuba's self-governance. I thin

Sitting in the cheap seats is what you're trying to say?

Correct, that's exactly right. So that was the reason for the language change. And I did have one other modification, which to me is particularly important because it's, I think this should be a neutral political statement from us about freedom and supporting a democratic transition anywhere. And that was the recital that reads currently as recognizing and supporting the actions of. Taken by the President of the United States, right?

I think it's recital 13, if I'm remembering from memory. Yeah. I had suggested some alternate language that basically was a statement about policy and values as opposed to necessarily applauding Congress or a president or any particular leader for whatever actions were taken in support.

It's here, yeah. I didn't have any issues with anything. I just said that one sentence I think belonged in the next one.

That's fine, then I'm golden. Yeah. Okay, thank you. Commissioner, thank you for bringing it in and thank you for considering the modification.

Of course. I think we speak, especially on something like this, we need to speak with one voice.

Okay, is there a motion? You want to move it as modified?

I'll second it. I'll second it. I'm going to take that one. I see a motion by Commissioner Bonnich and a second by myself as the modifier. Madam Clerk, if you can call the roll, please.

Colleagues, any questions regarding item seven of our land development director or development services director or the administration? I often wonder what we would do if it wasn't for all these modifications we gotta make in response to bills from Tallahassee. So, is there a motion to adopt?

A motion by Commissioner Rodriguez and a second by Commissioner Bonnich. Madam Clerk, please call the roll.

Thank you. Okay, I have on the board still minutes, reports. Number nine. Number nine. No, number nine? I'm sorry, no. I scratched it off. Anyhow, let's read number nine, then we'll go back through the regular order.

Thank you, Madam Clerk. Colleagues, any questions regarding the resolution? If not, I'll open up the public hearing. Is there any member of the public who would like to address this commission on item nine, which sets the date for our next election to be held and the qualifying dates for candidates? Please come forward at this time. Seeing no one in the chamber, Madam Clerk, is there anyone online? No one online. We will close the public hearing. Colleagues, is there a motion to adopt item nine? We have a motion by Commissioner Bonnich and a second by Commissioner Kaye. Madam Clerk, please call the roll.

Is there a motion to adopt the minutes of May 19, 2026? I'll move the motion. A motion by Commissioner Kaye, a second by Commissioner Bonich. Madam Clerk, please call the roll.

Thank you. Mr. Manager, your report. Madam Deputy, are you...

Sorry, you were going fast. I'm putting it in my calendar. Okay, so it's here at City Hall and it's Saturday. Okay, thanks.

Wow, this is gonna be insufferable to come to the work of this government.

Thank you. I have a question. Yes, sir. I work with a doctor, I'm married to a doctor, so I have to ask you this question, which is what was the title of your dissertation?

That's actually understandable, so thank you. Okay, any further questions? Yeah.

So are you doctor friends with our doctor?

And as long as you're innovative, policing doesn't include non-man police cars that should be delivering pizzas.

Still have a good head of hair, so congrats.

Further comments? No. Welcome aboard. Good luck. Thank you. Big shoes to fill, but we sure do a good job. Thank you so much. Thank you. Okay. Thank you.

Thank you, sir. I do have one question in the report. I'm sorry to even ask it. I forgot. What are, what exactly are we doing at Murray Park with the residing? I thought we'd resided the field previously and now that I'm actually going to the gym, I saw that recently. Murray Park? Yes, sir.

Again, I just, thank you for reminding me. I don't recognize you right now, I'm sorry, ma'am. I know we passed the item for SOMI on a one-year basis, and it's just something for us to keep in mind as we try to think about cost recovery. Again, I'm not trying to, I don't wanna make a profit on a school, but just wanna make sure that we're having a move that it's fair and allows us to kind of keep the facility up to par, right? So kids actually have a good place to play and recreate. Yes, you're recognized.

I think I was actually at the pool the other day, and I was looking at the field. We've got to make sure that when we do these things that we drop. And I want to say it's sand, but I'm probably thinking it wrong. The grass gets all these divots. And if we don't put that filling sand, maybe that's not what it's called. Oh, there you go. Yeah, if we don't keep that a consistent thing that we do, we're going to see people like bending ankles and falling and all of that. So I think while we do have to stay on top of regular minutes, I think that is key.

Thank you. Okay, moving on. Mr. City Attorney, your report, please.

Okay, thank you. Okay. Did we take action on N1? No? Nope. Does it require formal appointment or is it just, do you need to read in the record?

Thank you, Madam Clerk. Okay, colleagues, we've got the final report from the Charter Review Commission that we convened to talk about. There's a lot in there. If I could just offer some observations and see if there's some consensus. Maybe we can narrow the list to a subset, because I don't know that all of us want to put all 14 items on the ballot this year. And I don't know if there's any way to do it in a consolidated fashion if we got to. District attorneys, is there one way to kind of adopt a document or as a single item, or do we have to take these in?

The work product, is the work product there to support that right now or not?

So again, I just don't know how feasible it is for us to literally put 14 questions on the ballot and have them all kind of considered and supported. I think they probably get a lot of down ballot fatigue. In terms of... I wanted to get the manager's opinion on the ones that were most operationally critical for the city. Mr. Manager, if you have some thoughts on that, I'd love to hear them. We didn't have a chance certainly to discuss that. I had flagged, just my quick list, ones that I know had been some discussion here before. Items one, two, three, five, seven, 13, and 14 as being the ones

That we adopted, so we can make modifications as needed in our ordinance as opposed to having to go back and constantly amend the...

Colleagues, are we in agreement that maybe four is the right number of ballot items generally? Anyone have any thoughts on the total number?

Okay. Mr. Vice Mayor, any thoughts? We've never done more than four before, but yeah. Madam Commissioner, any thoughts on the number before we get into expanding the list?

No, I think four or five. Either one works.

Let's go left to right and see. Are there any items that you want to add to the list? No, but there's one I want to talk about. Okay, but it's on the list so far? OKAY. PERFECT. VICE MAYOR, YOU'RE GOOD? YES.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT A LIST OF THE THINGS WE WANT TO FOCUS ON. COMMISSIONER KAYA? NO. WE'RE GOOD? OKAY. SO LET'S GO THROUGH THE LEFT TO RIGHT AGAIN. LADIES FIRST. WHICH ONE WOULD YOU LIKE TO DISCUSS FIRST?

Oh, okay, that's not what I had on my list. Okay, now what is number 10?

Sorry, that's why I said I just had one that I wanted to talk about.

Got it, I was trying to add it so we knew what we wanted to talk about. Okay, we'll add 10, let's go there, yeah.

Do you want me to talk about it? Please, yeah. This puts in place primary election procedures. Maybe I'm misreading this, but I'm like, I thought that the way that it runs is everybody runs and whoever wins, wins, right? And now we're saying we want to add a layer to this?

So I think what this is, as I read it, what it does is puts us on the August primary as opposed to a November election, which generally has lower turnout.

Well, so what I thought was absurd and why I thought it was one of the ones I think was ready to be discussed or considered is because let's assume you've got three candidates in the race. Let's assume I ran for mayor and I won with 80% of the vote. the way this is drafted would require me to run in November again, right? So I just, you know, I don't know what the logic was. I talked very briefly with my appointee about it. I wanted to kind of review the record and kind of understand what the discussion was to get to this recommendation. But as it was drafted, it just didn't intuitively make s

Yeah, that's why I didn't include it in my list for that reason. Any other comments on that? Anyone want to discuss that?

I keep hitting this thing. And then the other one, if we decided to go with five, which is just such an easy one, is the amendment two. if we decide to go with five items on the ballot instead of four, that one is just an easy,

Sure. I think it's an easy cleanup. So again, I think really the goal I have on the list, okay, the manager said 1, 7, 13, and 14. Do you want to talk about the franchise ones since that's the most complicated? Of the ones that we have potentially, Mr. C. Attorney. So as I read the item, it didn't really, the recommendation did not necessarily decouple It defined franchise, correct?

The feedback I got from my appointee who I talked to was that the committee wanted to keep leases to not longer than 50 years. But they did want to distinguish between leases and franchises.

My understanding is, again, I don't want to speak for the whole board, but Manny Chico, who I appointed, who I kind of debriefed with, Said the discussion essentially was Franchises are distinct. They're a privilege, right? All right, they should be for a shorter term leases obviously confer rights in the realty or property They saw a distinction as a board but notwithstanding the distinction They didn't want to allow leases to go beyond 50 years without going to the ballot

Okay, why don't you explain what you understand the language to read?

So to understand the effect of this, you're saying we have to read the section four modifications Concurrently with what other section of the charter?

Okay, got it. Okay, so that- I'm okay with that. Okay, so that just, again, so that's the process section of the charter? Correct.

Okay, so there's no, okay, got it, okay. Understood. Okay. Colleagues, are we clear on what the effect of the draft change is? Okay. Any comments, questions here?

Fair enough. Any, any further conversation or thoughts on this? Okay. So this one that we want to put among the four or five.

Yeah, that's number one for me. Okay. Yeah.

Okay. So let's put that on the list of items. Okay.

The maximum term for franchises? I mean, it seems long for a franchise agreement. Yeah, it does. I mean, it's the only thing I, you know, I don't, I mean. What is typical?

Do we have any leases that are 50 years? Not leases. I'm sorry. Franchises. Franchises that are 50 years. Franchise agreements. Not land leases that we have. Is there any franchise?

The franchise agreements with waste haulers. Solid waste. Yes, we recognize.

Is there ever a case where a utility needs to build a substantial amount of infrastructure and needs to collect that back with a longer term lease?

Right. But couldn't we make it like 25 and like the greatest case so we never handcuff a commission to be able to have like a water and sewer?

I don't, I'm not that, yes sir, you're recognized.

I think it would be, it's not a privilege. We're basically giving them rights in the real property. So in my mind, that's a distinction.

Honestly, we could leave it at 50. I mean, at the end of the day, it doesn't have to be that long. We could decide to issue it. I mean, it just gives the commission flexibility to decide. On a maximum term.

It could also get us tied into a bad partnership for a very long time.

Yeah, it is. But, you know, we've done worse deals than this, for sure. So, I mean...

I mean... I don't want to die on this hill, but... I mean, I would tell you, remember...

It is a long time. I would never vote for a franchise agreement that's 50 years. Correct. But I don't want to limit the ability for someone to do a 50-year franchise agreement, right?

Because, you know... Well, you can come back and extend it to 50 years on the referendum if they want to.

Yeah, but you and I know how difficult that is. So, I mean, whatever the board wants to do. I'm not, I'm not, it's not my, not my.

Is it possible that people might vote against it? Can we do this?

Why don't we ask the city attorney to look at, would you just mind looking at what other restrictions are in some other cities around the terms of these and bring back. We want, this one we clearly want to come back. with the possibility of shortening the maximum term. If you can give some reference points on what the appropriate term is or what practices, I think it can help us certainly me get more comfortable with a shorter term, okay? But this is another one, yes or not? Yes, right. We wanna move this one onto the agenda?

number 11 it's not on the list so it's not no number 11. okay well you want to put it on i do not okay no no it's not what i do i'd be the only one left no no there you go exactly yeah exactly wait i'd be the only one left up here yeah That would not be a bad thing, for me at least.

I have a counter on number two. On number two, yes, sir. I don't see why we'd want to do this. It gives the perception that we don't want to work anymore.

I agree. That is one possible way to read that aren't wanting to have less frequent meetings.

Does anybody remember when this happened? When this decision was made, it was insane. It was with Mayor Phillips, and they went back and forth of what the verbiage should be, and the arguments were... We're very interesting.

But we're going on our fourth year. We haven't had a problem with it. No. And I don't think people will have a problem.

We often meet in excess of what we need to or require to. So, I mean, I just, my only objection to putting this on would be it was on three years ago. and we're gonna put it back on again and people will be like what why is this so important so i would i'd rather save my supplier for seven for example on the cm purchasing which gives us more operational flexibility um number one which the clerk i think has some concerns about filling vacancies right those are things that potentially if we don't have the operational flexibility of the charter could be crippling to

or limiting to our operations. So can we all say that we agree with 1, 7, 13, and 14? And then if there's one that we need to add, that we can just talk about it?

I do, yeah. I agree with 1, 7, 13, and 14.

And I'd like us to remove 10, because I don't think it makes sense.

This is just a report, so we can choose to accept from this report what we want.

So 1, 7, 13, 14. Anything else that we want to put on the list? Mr. Manager, we've got planning board. Did you want to put planning board on the list?

People vote on that? Sure. I don't think it's on the board, though.

Is there anything, Mr. Secretary, is there anything to limit us from precluding service on both boards by ordinance?

Okay. You could do it by ordinance. Why don't we bring back an ordinance to beyond any existing appointment? Correct. Correct. Prohibit the dual service. Okay. That's exactly how we said it the first time. Well, that's fine.

Now it's gone. That's gotten kicked around by everybody. Hold on, Mayor. We already have 100% unity. Hold on, Mayor.

No disrespect to Danny. We've already voted on this before. We don't need to go through this, all right? Okay, well, I mean- In my opinion, let's just move forward on it.

Let's leave that to the side for now, but let's put it in the parking lot. Do you need five? in terms of the acting manager cleanup? Is that something you wanted? Is that something that you think is operationally essential?

Yeah, cycle, we can, over the years, rolling year, yeah. Look, I think there's consensus of one, seven, 13, and 14, so we're not here a lot longer. Everyone fine with having that language brought back at the next meeting for us to consider, and then we can each have an individual conversation with the city attorney about other items that we may want to bring back with modifications or not discuss this at all.

I don't think we need to vote. Correct. This is not an action item. It's just a, we'll vote on the questions themselves. Okay. Anything else before this body that we need to attend to? Madam clerk, we good?

Okay. Anybody have anything for the record they want to note?

no okay i do hold on i want to say something um it's real quick i'm sorry uh having all these kids coming in the last couple of days and weeks i think it's beneficial um i was encouraged that we contributed i'm talking to everybody on the board as well because we're all contributing i think it's been really cool i think the kids are really appreciative of what we're trying to do i would encourage us to continue to do that and figure out not only columbus or other schools but mayor for the day she was amazing she's a great girl yeah fantastic So I think it's a good way of giving back to the com

And I think we have one intern who's working on a proposal for a possible youth advisory council or some sort of way to formalize this. So hopefully we'll have somebody to consider in the future.

No. As long as it's 10 to 1 Columbus guys to Belen guys, we're good. You can even take a saber or two. It's OK.

Mayor, to add to that, is that something that we want to encourage our staff to do, really start pointing to the importance of what our taxes do? Maybe a marketing campaign. Oh, he already left. Marketing campaign, start emphasizing what the actual tax dollars are being used for, like just maybe a campaign.

Yeah, I mean, I think we... What do you think? We certainly, I think one really interesting fact, as I badgered Alfredo quite a bit this week, beginning on Tuesday, so thank you for your patience. But one really interesting fact that I took away from the analysis that he put together, that when you look at our growth rate year over year from 2009 to 22, our city budget grew at less than 1% a year. That's for all the Bunk, we hear, because I can't think of a, there's a strong word I want to use. We hear about governments being wasteful. This has not been one of them. We've had a lot of growth t

Good thing we fixed the bridge, yeah, exactly. We are adjourned. Thank you, guys.