Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

All right, good evening and thank you so much for being here. My name is Nimisha Agrawal and I am the senior planner with the City of Santa Clara and also the project manager for this project. Today's evening is divided into two parts. The first part is for the scoping meeting for the environmental impact report that is being prepared for this project as required by CEQA, which is the California Environmental Quality Act. The second part of the meeting is the community meeting portion, which will be led by the applicant team. And so there they will share more about the project and in further detail and solicit input from you all. So let's get started. Before I start, there was a sign-in sheet that was rotating. If you have not had the opportunity to sign in, please do so before you leave tonight. And so for the scoping meeting part of the meeting, the first half, let's get started. Let's dive right into it. So the project, network circled residential project, there is an environmental impact report being prepared for that project, like I said. And so this is... This is for that. And the agenda for the scoping meeting is here before you. Introductions and welcome. So welcome, everybody. We will go over explaining about the project, briefly, and also the overview of the environmental impact report process. We will discuss the preliminary scope of the EIR, public input on the scope of the EIR, and then we'll just, that will be the end of, we'll just take in questions and that would be it. To do introduce, the city is the lead agency for the environmental impact report and ICF is the lead EIR consultant and Hexagon being the transportation consultant for the EIR. With that, I will hand it over to Heidi Mickelson to introduce herself and go over the rest of the scoping presentation.

Hi, everyone. Can you hear me okay? Great. My name is Heidi Meckelson. I'm with a company called ICF. We are the city's CEQA consultant. I'm the project director for the project, and our team will be preparing the EIR, or Environmental Impact Report, for the project. So as Namisha mentioned, tonight's meeting has two distinct parts. This first part of the meeting is the EIR scoping meeting. This is a step, an explicit step in the process of preparing an EIR that is established under CEQA, the California Environmental Quality Act. And it has a very specific purpose. That purpose is to provide you with information on the EIR process. And it's also to give you a brief overview of the project, which I will do to inform your comments and your understanding of the project from an environmental perspective. Doug, the applicant in the second part of tonight's meeting will be giving you a much more detailed overview of the project. And then the main purpose of the scoping meeting for the EIR is to get your input on the topics, the environmental topics that you would like to see looked at in the EIR. If you have questions or concerns that are related to the environmental impacts of the project that you would like to see evaluated in the EIR. And if you have suggestions, recommendations, questions about mitigation measures or alternatives that you would like to see us look at in the EIR analysis. The scoping meeting under CEQA explicitly focuses on the environmental impacts of the project and the scope of the EIR. We're not here at this portion of tonight's meeting to collect comments on other issues associated with the project, the merits of the project, economic issues, social issues. This portion of the meeting strictly focuses on what you all would like to see evaluated in the EIR. But again, there will be a second component to this evening's meeting where you will have an opportunity to provide questions and comments on topics other than environmental topics. We don't know exactly what time. It depends on how many comments we get on the EIR scope. I think a good estimate is probably around 630. If this meeting ends before then, then maybe sooner. right so i'm going to give you a brief overview of the project again you'll get a much more detailed overview of the project in the second half of tonight's meeting the project is located at 4160 to 4230 network circle the parcel number is zero nine seven zero eight zero five eight it's north of montague expressway corridor and bounded by lafayette street to the west and agnew road to the north and east It's directly south of and adjacent to Agnew's Historic Park. The project site does not include Agnew's Historic Park. It is adjacent to it. There is no developments or changes proposed to the park itself or the historic buildings within the park. The project site is 38 acres and it's currently developed with 495,460 square feet of vacant commercial office buildings. There's nine buildings in total. The project proposes to demolish all of the existing buildings, so those nine buildings within the project site and the surface parking lots, and it will redevelop the site with a residential community totaling 584 dwelling units composed of 120 affordable apartments, 416 townhomes in three distinct neighborhoods and 48 single family homes. The project also includes approximately seven acres of open space within three separate park and greenway spaces. So the current general plan land use designation for the project site is high intensity office R&D, and the zoning designation is planned development. The proposed uses, as I just went over, would be residential and open space. The project is being proposed and has applied under the residential provisions of government code section 65589.5DF. It's a mouthful, but it is a portion of the California State Housing Accountability Act that essentially allows for residential uses to be developed on non-residential properties provided that they meet certain conditions, mostly related to density and affordability. So this project is subject to CEQA, which again is the California Environmental Quality Act. CEQA is triggered whenever a public agency is asked to issue a discretionary approval for a project that is subject to CEQA. An EIR is being prepared. The city has determined that an EIR is the appropriate document to prepare for this project. An EIR is the largest, most robust type of document that you can prepare under CEQA. And it's an informational document that is really intended to inform the public and the decision makers about the potential environmental impacts of a project so that the public can have an opportunity to understand those impacts, weigh in on those impacts, comment on those impacts, and also so that the decision makers, when they are tasked with deciding whether or not to approve or deny the project, understand the environmental impacts and can weigh those impacts in their decision-making process. An EIR is also used as a problem solving tool. If impacts are identified, significant impacts are identified in an EIR, CEQA requires the lead agency to look at what we call mitigation measures, which are requirements that need to be implemented to reduce or avoid those impacts and or alternatives that could reduce or avoid those impacts. So the EIR is used as an option to, a tool to identify those. So this graphic just outlines the basic steps in the EIR process. We are at the very beginning of that process with the box highlighted in green here. The notice of preparation, which many of you likely received since you're here tonight, was distributed, I believe, on July 10th. There's a 30-day window for that notice. And again, the purpose of that notice is to basically let everybody know hey, an EIR is being prepared, and to solicit your feedback on what the scope of that EIR should be. Along with that notice of preparation period is this scoping meeting, which you can provide your comments here at the meeting, or you can provide them in writing in response to the NOP. After the NOP period ends, we take all of those comments, we being the consultant team and the city, we take all of those comments, we review them, we make sure that the EIR is reflective of the issues that were raised by the community members and public agencies, and whoever commented on the NOP. We prepare the draft EIR. When the draft EIR is ready, then there's another public review process of the draft EIR itself. Another notice called a notice of completion and availability will be issued. If you want to make sure that you get a copy of that notice, be sure to sign the sign-in sheet or submit a comment tonight or in writing on the NOP. And then you will also get a copy of that notice. The draft EIR will then undergo a 45-day public review period where public agencies and members of the community have the opportunity to review that EIR and submit questions and comments on the EIR. After the draft EIR comment period ends, then we prepare what we call the final EIR, which will include any minor revisions that we think we need to make to the draft EIR in response to comments. And we'll also include written responses to all of the comments that were received on the draft EIR. And just as a point of clarification, we don't provide written responses to the comments received tonight on the NOP. The agency will collect all of those comments and consider them in preparing the draft EIR. If you submit comments on the draft EIR itself, all of those comments will be responded to in writing in the final EIR. Then there's a few other documents that get prepared along with the final EIR, including CEQA findings and if significant and unavoidable impacts are identified, a statement of overriding considerations is prepared. And those documents go to the city, city council, and they review everything and factor that into their decision on the project. The overall EIR process generally from start to finish can vary quite substantially, but generally takes roughly about a year to complete. So in its preliminary review of the project, the city has identified the issues that it thinks we will be looking at in the EIR. Of course, this final list is subject to the input that we get on the NOP as well. The CEQA checklist provides for a number of topics that lead agencies are asked to look at when evaluating a project. And we are looking at basically all of them in this EIR, short of agricultural resources, forestry resources, and mineral resources, which just aren't present on this particular site. The EIR will include a project level analysis of all of these issues. They include aesthetics, air quality, biological resources, cultural resources, energy, geology and soils, greenhouse gas emissions, hazards and hazardous materials, hydrology and water quality, land use and planning, noise, population and housing, public services, recreation, transportation, tribal cultural resources, and utilities and service systems. And I'll just add a footnote here because we've already received a few comments related to transportation. Under CEQA, what we look at when we say transportation impacts are vehicle miles traveled. So we're looking at the traffic that would be generated by the project in terms of how many miles trips would be made. and how many miles folks would be traveling to and from this site, because that is what ties into the emission of greenhouse gas impacts, which is the environmental effect of transportation. We do not look at traffic congestion in an EIR. That's not considered an environmental impact under CEQA. However, it's certainly a comment that is relevant to the second half of tonight's meeting. The city will also be preparing a traffic congestion study for planning purposes, not for CEQA purposes, but a traffic congestion study will be prepared again for planning purposes. And finally, just some housekeeping notes on how to submit comments on the NOP. The NOP public review period began on July 10th. It ends on August 10th. You can submit comments tonight, and that includes the folks online as well. We'll go through the room, also go through the online audience. Everyone will have a chance to submit comments. We will not be providing, I'm happy to answer any basic questions on the CEQA process, but we won't be providing any detailed answers to environmental questions tonight, because we haven't done the analysis yet. But we will be recording those and factoring all of those into the EIR preparation process. And you can submit those comments tonight. You can also email comments to Nimisha. Her email address is here on the slide. Or you can send an old-fashioned letter to the mailing address here. And with that, I think we will open the public comment period. All right. So if you have a comment, again, related to the scope of the EIR analysis, we'll start with the room. And we'll just ask folks to line up at the microphone. This meeting is being recorded on Zoom. So we'll have a transcript of the meeting generated for city staff and the consultant team. So feel free to line up if you have any comments. Okay, seeing none, no comments from folks in the room. Okay, do we have any comments online? Oh, yes, so if you are on Zoom, I feel like I'm talking to the ether out there. If you're on Zoom, raise your hand if you have a comment on the scope of the EIR analysis and we will unmute you. We have speakers here in the room and we'll be able to hear your comments. Okay, and we do have one in the room, so maybe we'll take his comment, and then I'll give instructions for folks on the phone as well. Hi.

Okay.

Yeah, so again, there will be a traffic study prepared for planning purposes that will be available for public review. The reason why it's not in the EIR is a bit of a long answer, but it was established by the courts through case law, through CEQA case law.

I mean, it will be considered, I mean, opinions and concerns of the residents will be considered in this plan?

In the decision-making process, yes. the question is will the parking lots be demolished to complete the buildings yes the existing surface parking lots will be all of them will be demolished yes on the 38 acre site and the new parking will be provided for the residential units and doug will i'm sure go over parking in detail in his presentation

Just looking at the different categories that the EIR goes through, the first one was aesthetics, I believe. Who determines those aesthetics? Is that a certain committee? Is it by public input? What are the standards for those aesthetics? And do those take into consideration the style of the surrounding homes and businesses? Yes.

Yeah, that's a good question. So the city has thresholds of significance, which are the metrics that we, the consultant team, use to evaluate the impacts. For aesthetics, what we look at, and again, these are established under the CEQA checklist, we look at visual character, we look at consistency with existing plans and policies related to aesthetics, and we look at scenic vistas, the potential to block any views of what are considered scenic vistas. The standards are largely set through general plan policies, zoning code requirements, existing plans and policies related to aesthetics, character, many of which include consideration of the character of the surrounding neighborhood. If you could step up to the microphone just so the folks on Zoom can hear the comments too. Thank you.

Will any of the existing historical structures be preserved? Any or any buildings that

Will you touch on trees in your presentation? Okay. So, yes, some trees will be preserved. The EIR, the cultural resource analysis of the EIR, will look at whether any of the buildings on this site, the 38-acre site, not including Agnews Park, are considered historic. And if they are, that will evaluate the impacts of demolishing those buildings. But none of the buildings in Agnews Park are being demolished.

Thank you.

Any other questions or comments on the scope of the EIR?

Good evening. You can tell me if this is outside the scope. The EIR is a process. The traffic congestion is a process. I'm accustomed to seeing hearings somewhere along the line about things like the economic mix of the housing, other aspects of the development. Will those also be processes that will be presented at some point in time, or are there two tracks to go through, and is that the total of it?

Yeah, so the EIR will not look at economic impacts. CEQA explicitly says EIR should not look at economic or social effects of a project. I'll let Namisha speak to what sort of economic analyses may be done for the project for planning purposes. I'm actually not sure.

I don't think we are, I'm not sure if we are right now doing it, but it is something that we will be considered in the decision-making process, the economic analysis.

I think my question really is, will there be other types of community meetings looking at the project as a whole or at other aspects of the project besides just the EIR?

Yes, that is the second part of this meeting tonight after the scoping meeting and we will open it up, and it was applicant lead and it's like soliciting comments on all aspects of the project.

All right, i'm just going to check in on folks online and feel free to line up if there's anyone on the phone who wants to speak, I believe you can press star nine. to unmute yourself. And no raised hands on Zoom. Okay, great, thanks. Yeah, go ahead.

Thank you. So I'm glad to see that there is a section about the tribal cultural resources. Do you know right now if there's any potential tribal remnants on the property or are you gonna wait until they start to demolish and find out and then what will be the process if something is found?

we don't know now we will not wait until they start demolishing uses as part of the eir process we're required to reach out to tribes in the community and let them know about the project and invite them to consult with the city if they would like to the only way to know about tribal cultural resources is to consult with the tribes directly if tribes request consultation the city will engage with the tribes in that process and then the results of the consultation process will be folded into the eir analysis If resources are identified, then we will work with the tribes to develop mitigation to reduce or avoid impacts to those resources. And that mitigation will be developed in consultation with the tribes so that we know that it's acceptable to the tribes. Okay. Thank you.

Yeah.

We're required under CEQA, under Assembly Bill 52, to re-engage, to let tribes know about this particular project and invite them again to engage in consultation if they would like to.

Yeah.

Any other comments or questions on the scope of the EIR? All right. One final check on Zoom?

No?

OK. And again, Nimisha's email address is on this final slide here, as well as in the notice. So there's still opportunities to provide written comments if anything comes to mind after tonight's meeting. I think with that, we'll move on to the second part of our meeting.

Okay, well, so that means everyone else is here for this section. That's a lot of pressure. I did a dry run yesterday. The presentation went three and a half hours, so everyone gets settled. To really understand the project, we got to start in the Mesozoic era, understand how the soil was created and those types of things. No, I'm joking, obviously. I am very grateful that you have come here for the community meeting. I found that you can certainly go online, you can certainly see the plans, you can certainly see the homes. But I found that having these types of meetings are really useful in order to understand the design framework and the thoughts and how we put together a community. Certainly for some projects, you know, smaller infill projects, etc. There are times when it's like literally how many homes can you fit in the spot and that's what you do. But in a project like this, it's a much different process. And tonight, I want to share with you the process we went through in order to create what we're really excited about with the Network Circle project. And then I'm sure you'll have questions. We can talk about questions and answer any questions. I'll do my best to do that, be the same process. My only request is that if you come up and you have a question, do maybe like five to 10 seconds of karaoke before you ask your question. That'll make sure we keep this exciting for everyone and we'll go from there. Heidi did a great job. I'll just touch briefly here about the overall project. The entire campus there is about 80 acres. We are just developing a portion of those there that's about 38 acres. And as Heidi mentioned, one key thing to note, I know we had one question already, You have the historic park here with all the historic buildings. They're amazing. We're going to talk about this in just a minute. We're not touching any of that. The project is not a part of that. That all remains. And in fact, we believe is one of the great, exciting parts to take advantage of with this community. The project, in addition to the location here, you'll notice has a little bit of frontage along Lafayette, a little bit of frontage along Agnews. Those are the access points to the project. There is no direct access to Montague from the site. Interestingly, you kind of think there would be, but they're not, it's buried there. And the reason, you know, Montague, as you know, is a county expressway. So that is not city owned. And you've got grade change, which necessitates these off ramps, in essence, like a freeway off ramp. And those start pretty much along the whole frontage there. So between grade and the exits off ramps, there's actually no direct access onto Montague from the project. Yes. Yes. So this is Lafayette. here, and then this is Agnew's over through here. And so those are the two points off of Agnew's and off of Lafayette are where the access points are. And it froze. It's not like one slide. It keeps freezing before I get to it. Hold on. Let's try one more time. I will push the button and walk away. There we go. Okay. So to me, this is kind of a really important slide because this really became the framework for how we designed the project. You have the adjacency to the historic park, as you all know. I don't know how many of you have ever been to that historic park. Absolutely amazing, right? Like amazing, when I went on it for the first time, I was like, I'm going back in time. It's just not something you typically see here in the Bay Area. There's certainly pockets of things and you can go out to the Filoli House and those types of places, but amazing thing. And so the first thing that jumped off the thing is we need to take advantage of this adjacency and not turn our back to it. what an amazing amenity in essence to take advantage of for this community. So that was the first thing that popped into our minds and we sat and we brainstormed and we said, well, how do you do it? And, um, what's the best approach for doing that? One is we wanted to be respectful and, um, In essence, create a buffer and create space from it to let it breathe. while still embracing it. And so we said, the best way to do that is to kind of think through nodes on the project and how it interacts with the historic park. We knew for instance, that we wanted to push homes away from the historic park. And so how do you do that? We did that through things like making sure we were running landscape run lined, roads up against it. And so you can see one of our main thoroughfares, Leonard Stocking Drive here as it's currently known. We kept sort of that concept in order to make sure that we kept a buffer there. We wanted to embrace the entrance of Lafayette and we were thinking through how to do that and keep it with that open feeling. And it quickly became apparent that one of the best ways to do that is to, in essence, kind of mimic it and push open space up against Lafayette so that as you're driving down the road, you're not like, wow, I'm driving up against all these new homes or whatever the case might be, but it blends and assimilates and works its way into Lafayette. the community and so we said we want to put open space up against here in order to create this amazing streetscape that really complements the historic park so that was another idea that we had and we knew for those that have been on there this building in particular um called the Clock Tower, among other things, the old Agnew's Hospital. Really neat building, really fascinating shape. As you know, you can see how it juts out in the back there. We wanted to be respectful of that building. And so how did we wanna do that? We said, well, I think we need another park. And it's kind of similar to what it is now, although it's private property, where it's kind of a plaza. But we hearkened to that and said, this is a really good idea up against the clock tower. And so we put a park there. But we wanted to take advantage of the clock tower on the other side as well. And so we have a rendering of this. We said, wouldn't it be great if the entryway had a visual line of sight onto that amazing building? And so that when you enter this community, that's what you see. And so that also said, it makes a lot of sense putting open space up against there because that allows that visual line of sight up against the clock tower park. And so this kind of became the framework. And then we said, wow, let's look at the main road as it comes through. We wanted to make sure this is landscaped, beautiful main road. Your visual terminus is the park as you go through. The clock tower was behind that. We want to keep that theme. And so how did we do that? We wanted to create this greenway park here so that as you make that bend around, you still keep that feeling of the landscape and the open space. And then as you came through, then you made a right. And we talked about this as you go along here. So this entire drive, we felt like when you're coming home and you're living here or even going through it, What an amazing drive to have that. Now, that was one framework. The other framework then, how do we embrace the historic park, was really now taking this down to the pedestrian scale. Because that park is open. You probably have all visited it. I saw a lot of people shake their heads. And how do we take advantage of that on a pedestrian level, on a pedestrian scale? And so that's where this concept of what'll have a much better name when we get marketing, but right now we kind of call it the loop, where we said, you know what? What if we tie all of these open spaces together in a grand loop so that on a pedestrian level, if you wanted to and you lived here, what an amazing thing to be able to go on this grand walk loop there. I'm getting old. I've done real estate too long. I'm the evil developer. People hate me. My doctors keep telling me, Doug, you gotta do more walks. And I'm like, we need to create an amazing place to walk in this community. And so that became the final framework of this where you can see where we've shown arrows, Those arrows are in essence the tie-in and the access to the historic park. So someone living here or someone not, right? You can come and you can take this grand walk. You can go through the historic park and all the paths and all that feeling there is, cross over into the clock tower park and what that has there, cross over into the Greenway Park and head on down on this grand loop, cross over here and head up along on the Montague side, go through this new park that we're doing here and connect back into this and have this amazing grand thing. And that became for us what we thought is that this becomes the way to both embrace the amenity of the historic park and also respect the amenity of the historic park. So that was our framework. And I just thought it would be important for you to hear that and understand that, that this wasn't a case of, wow, here's this developer, and how many homes can we stick in it? And what do we do? That's just not what we did. I think we've created something that is really unique in the Bay Area. Certainly, like we said, nothing here, this is really unique to start with. But having a community that ties in, I don't know, I think it's pretty swell. I'm biased. Any questions on the framework? The next thing we did then was we said, okay, we've got our sort of framework, our open space. What then goes here? And we put on our planning hats and tried to be as cities do and look and say, what is the right stuff to go here in this community? And one of the best ways to do that is to see, well, what's in the community right now? What's already there? And so we looked at adjacencies. And out here on the west, you have all these existing single-family detached homes. And then off towards the east, all of you know this really well. I know some of the people I've talked to already, you live here. And hopefully I didn't do that.

I don't know.

All right, we're back. We looked at what was around us. And certainly there are some multifamily apartments on the nodes on the end. But by and large, when we looked, you can see these were four cell, lower density homes here within Rivermark, single family homes at eight to the acre, town homes up at 20, up at 23. But we looked and said, there seems to be kind of a range here that we're seeing on the adjacencies. And it's kind of feeling like this eight to 23 homes to the acre is what's around us, it's what's in the neighborhood. And it's what kind of makes sense here for the community. And actually, now that I think about it, it's amazing how many of the communities have either Mission or Rivermark in the name. Siri, remind me when I get home. We need to call this community Mission River or something like that. Amazing. I was just noticing that on the side. we decided that that was what we wanted to target. And so we'll walk through the different communities, but you'll see, we mimicked what was around us. The average density for the entire 38 acres is a little bit over 15 dwelling units per acre, and right in line with what we saw around us. So this became the site plan. You've seen this before with what Heidi had presented, and I will go through and give some details now. But one thing before I go into the details about the community that I just wanted to point out was that in addition to looking what was around us, we also wanted to logically and intellectually decide where the different communities were going to go. And as we did that, it became apparent that the flow of density really made sense to work from here, from your lower density over towards your higher density, I'll call it. We've already talked about what that means. That flow became apparent. Why did we do that? Well, one, over here, we've got all these single family detached homes. Two, you've got this park here. It always makes sense to have kind of lower density homes around the park. It helps that park feel much more open, inviting, usable. So this area here is your single family detached homes. And I'm going to go into detail on all this in just a minute. But this area right here is a single family detached homes. And we stepped up from there to the next community. These are townhomes, but these are two story townhomes. So a little bit more dense, but still a progression until you get over here. These are two different communities of three story townhomes. We know those well. Those are very common here now. And then up here on the main road was the multifamily residential. Part of the reason, too, to push density up here is because, as you know, we're over here right now, and you all know this. You know, your amenities, Safeway, all these places are right over here. And so it makes sense to put more density, I put that in quotes, up here because we want people walking over to Rivermark Village. I don't want people driving there. I want people... Okay, that one I clearly didn't do. Oh, you got to jiggle it. Um... by golly, we've gotta make sure people walk over to Rivermark Village. And so pushing it and pushing the homes up along that side made a lot of sense for that and the amenities that are around there. Now, if we look at the individual communities, I'm gonna go through each one individually, but just on a macro level, I'm gonna actually start at the bottom and work my way up because that matches the flow that we just did. You've got single family detached homes. There are 48 of them. They average about, I'm gonna round just to make this easier and faster. They're gonna average around 2,400 to 2,700 square feet. They're all two story. Your two-story townhome community, there's 127 of those. Those range from 1,600 to 1,900 square feet. And then you've got your two three-story townhome communities. One is smaller homes. One is larger homes. We're trying to hit a variety of price points. out here and the best way to do that is kind of affordable by design and sizing or whatever. So you can see the individual sizes up there, but one runs from 1200 to 1800, one runs from 1900 to 2100. And then the multifamily residential, which is going to be the affordable housing component of the project, I should be clear. The multifamily residential, which is the affordable housing component of there has a whole variety of different plans ranging all the way from studios up to three bedrooms. Now I'll get into specific details on each community here and then any questions on this. we'll go from there. So just one thing to note, if you can see it, I was hoping this was big enough, but these renderings that we did, we went through and were specific to actual views and designs that you will see in the community. These weren't just made up pictures. And so here, This is a little hard to see. I was hoping it was bigger. But this is the viewpoint that we're showing on the rendering. So this is someone standing in the park looking kind of northeast-ish away from the park into the single-family detached homes. I told you they were over there. So you can see, obviously, this is a little bit of park area. And this is looking up towards the single-family detached homes. When we look at those homes, Here's the floor plans as mentioned before, they're 2,400 to 2,700 square feet. They're all two car garages side by side. The plans two and three have downstairs bedrooms, as well with the plans and i guess now is probably a good point to just take one small detour and just say one of the most common questions i get asked at these meetings is is there an interest list and what is the pricing and unfortunately i don't have either of those they don't exist yet just general and i'll just say why we'll jump to the end a little bit too general process timeline here moving forward, because that's another question I will get. We're just starting the EIR now, as you know. It's brand new in the process. EIRs typically take anywhere from eight to 12 months, depending on how things go. But I think for purposes of this, we're kind of targeting, let's call it middle of next year for the project approvals to be complete. If that occurs in the middle of next year, then that would mean that we would start demolition and all of the improvements we call horizontal improvements. That would be utilities, streets, et cetera, towards the end of 2027, which would mean that the homes themselves would start construction in the first half of 2028. So that is the general timeline. Obviously, things can always change in a variety of ways. So that's not locked in stone by any stretch, but that gives you an idea. And so then consequently, typically interest lists and pricing and all those things tend to start forming around the demo horizontal improvement side. So you can see we're still pretty early, which is why that doesn't exist. So I just throwing that out there now, but back to the single family detached homes, you can see the plans there that are being proposed. And I mentioned kind of the key features are there. There are three and four bedrooms. With an option, each home has an option of do you want a three bedrooms plus like a loft office type thing or do you want a fourth bedroom. So those are the single family detached homes. Here are the two story townhomes. Here's your view again just to make sure. So now you're kind of standing over in the historical park looking across that street at the two story townhomes. Take your pictures there. And as we look at these, these were the 1600 to 1900 square feet and I'm getting old. So this is where now when I'm saying real numbers, I gotta make sure I do this right. All right. Yeah.

Yeah, so you'll have that there.

That'll be perfect.

All right. Two-story townhomes, 1600 to 1900 square feet. There's three floor plans. So all of these, so this is not a, like these days with townhomes, and this is the case with the three-story townhomes. A lot of times, right, the ground floor is your, your garage with sometimes a bedroom and then you walk up to your living with two story townhomes. It's it lives and breathes like a traditional single family detached home. Your ground floor is your garage, but also your living space, kitchen, great room, family room, all that kind of stuff. And then you go up one flight of stairs to the bedrooms and those types of things. So that's the case with the two story. These are also all three and four bedroom with two car side by side garages. All right, you can see your viewpoint here. This is the first of the three-story townhomes. So this viewpoint here, you're actually kind of like in the Clock Tower Park. You're looking at townhomes that are fronting onto that Clock Tower Park, kind of over by the main entrance.

There with those.

These are three-story townhomes, as I said, three-floor plans ranging from 1,900 to 2,100 square feet, three and four bedrooms with an optional loft, all side-by-side car garages as well. All these plans have a ground floor bedroom. So as I described the three-story townhomes, these are very traditional in the Bay Area right now. The ground floor is your two-car side-by-side garage, along with the bedroom on the downstairs, the very ground level. You go up a level to your living space and then you go up one more level to all your bedrooms. And then... Last but not least, your last group of three-story townhomes. This is kind of at this intersection junction. We wanted to give a view of that main road with the Greenway Park and these townhomes front onto that Greenway Park there. Now this one is smaller. This one is 1,200 to 1,900 square feet. There's three floor plans. So this is the only community. There is one floor plan in the whole community. It is in this one with the 1200 square feet. That is a tandem garage. So your smallest plan that is 1200, excuse me, is your tandem garage. The other ones are two cars side by side. These are all two and three bedrooms. And the non-tandem has a ground floor bedroom as well. So that's that. And then finally, this is the affordable multifamily building. And you can see this is once again, looking in the clock tower park and now looking back on Agnews. And this community here, as I mentioned, has everything from studios up to three bedroom. We're doing that to target a wide variety of family and personal needs there with the affordable housing. The affordable housing for the project will be, so the cities, Ordinance requires 15% of your units at an average of 100% of AMI, your area median income. We are actually exceeding that, and we are doing 20% of our units instead of the 15%. And the affordability level will be reduced at a lower affordability level, meaning that more affordable, a lower area median income, I should say. So instead of 100% of your area median income, these homes and the rents will be established based on 80% of the area median income, making them more affordable than what is required with the city's ordinance. So more affordable units at a better price point than what is required of us with the city ordinance with the affordable housing. Yes. So the townhomes are all vertical. So your living space is your living space. They don't overlap.

Yeah, so there's no stacking overlap.

Yes, correct. Oh, that's a good question. I'll have to look at. So you're for the single family detached the lot size. Yeah, we can get that for you here. Good question. Yes.

The townhomes on the perimeter of Agnew adjacent to affordable housing. Is that a continuation of the townhomes or is that

Yeah, let me get back to here. Maybe we can do it off of this one because it'll be faster. Yes. Okay. Right here.

Correct. That is That is our only option.

That is correct. Yes. Good question. So two reasons. One, Heidi mentioned there's a part of the Housing Accountability Act that this is being processed under, and that requires this level of affordability. It also is a nice win that we do like to do more. And interestingly, and you can believe this or not believe this, if we didn't have to do it statutorily, this would be the same thing we would be doing anyways. This is like our program that we do with affordable housing. And part of it too is... Like this makes it easier to finance. Affordable housing is incredibly expensive. And so there's different things you can do to take advantage of different financing programs. And if you, we found building more at deeper levels of affordability gets financing easier. So it allows us to get them built other than just sit fallow. So I guess I gave you three reasons. Yes.

The microphone is just for...

So why six stories? And what's the viewpoint from Rivermark towards the clock tower and that six-story building?

So good question. So from here, I may need to go back. See if I can do this. The one, this slide. Here, okay. I don't wanna go back any further. Okay, why six stories? Six stories gets into the financing question or financing statement that I made. In order to build affordable housing, incredibly expensive, when we do affordable housing this way, we actually will partner with affordable housing developers that will actually build that component. And there are programs that they use in order to help with financing for affordable housing. And these types of structures are the ones that get that type of financing. And so that's why those are six stories. Yeah, so Rivermark's over here, over here on this side. And so I guess I don't know the view that you would have in general from over there. It's hard for me to say. It's pretty far away with Rivermark. We designed it so that the entry road aligns with it over there on the side. I'm assuming from Rivermark, I'm trying to visualize it as I go through on that side. I assume you would see it over there from Rivermark? Intuitively?

If you're on Agnes, facing towards that building, you might potentially see a river. Okay. Thanks for your help with that. Yes, oh hold on we've got we've got a microphone thing.

What is the parking situation on the street? Can resident park anywhere on the street? Like those single family home, I see the garage at the front, there's no driveway, so.

Yeah, so we followed, So for us, the parking that we provided was all on street parking that we did. There's no like parking lots or parking fields or anything like that. So we went with on street parking, the parking ratio for all these single family or the four cell homes is one for every two homes or 0.5 to one, which is what we've typically found is an adequate guest parking ratio for this type of homes. Yes. Oh, you know what? Let's do this. Sorry, we've kind of got it. We've gotten into the Q&A. It's my own fault. I kind of let it there. I apologize. I've got one other thing we want to talk about. I actually want to talk about the open space just a little bit. We have our landscape architect here to talk a little bit because I think this is really important for the amenities of the community. And then I'll come back and then we can do questions and we can either hand out the microphone or you can come up there. Hold on one second. Well, it's the next slide, but there's certain slides that it gets hung up on. There we go.

Okay. Got it.

There's 464 for sale and then 120 in the affordable.

There is a big lag on this presentation, and I apologize about that. Maybe we need to get back.

So if you push it.

Let me do this. Unfortunate. Well, I can start just introducing myself. My name's Manuela King. I'm a principal landscape architect with RHAA. We are a 65-year-old, 65-year-old landscape architecture firm who does primarily regional work. So our projects extend around the Bay Area and to Central California and some Southern California. We also do a few international projects. Sorry, that's not my intro slide, but in any case, I do every project type. And when Doug first contacted me about this one and I came to the site, I realized what an incredible project this will be because of Agnew's Historic Park and the historic buildings on there. And they will be a community resource for everyone that lives in this community. So as Doug was talking, the way we approached site planning from the very beginning was to do a very porous community where open spaces led directly to connections to the park. So everywhere you are within the community, there is a landscaped open space that you can get to that will connect you to the park and to what Doug called the loop. You can do many, many varieties on the loop right now. Now one thing if can anybody get it to go back.

Sorry.

I'd like to see the full site plan.

Okay.

What I wanted to show you was the bicycle pedestrian network map. So this community will be fully bicycle accessible. There will be share the road markings on the roads, which is a class three bicycle lane. It's not a dedicated lane because there just isn't room on the streets, but it will be a bicycle friendly community. So the entire way, I'll point at this little tiny one, But every street that you see will be a share the road marked bicycle lane. In addition to that, we're doing exceeding the amount of required bicycle parking spaces. Required are 29. We're proposing 84. and they'll be scattered throughout the site. So because there are so many recreational amenities, it's just going to be a great place to be on your bike. We also, if you look at this little tiny plan, and I apologize about that, you can see every open space is oriented and pointing towards Agnew's Park so that when you come out, you don't have to work walk horizontally and then make a turn and go to the park. You can come out your front door and you see the park and you walk through the open space to get to your park. And it's frozen. It's frozen completely.

Yeah, I think that might be the... I would...

I wanted to walk you through the park spaces because in addition to the three large park spaces, there's a dedicated Lafayette Community Park, there is the Clock Tower Park, and then there's the linear greening park that leads up through the site. And then there are landscape paseos. So everyone's front door opens onto a paseo that is nicely landscaped that points you directly towards the park. Sorry about this. What if you end the slideshow? Oh, there we go.

Perfect.

Sorry.

Can we scroll down? Is it frozen?

Get down to the slide with the bicycle pedestrian. So it's this one right here.

OK. All right, good. So here you can see the bicycle network that I was talking about. All the green lines are the share the road bike signage. And these connect to the existing class two bike lane on Ag News. Whoa. Technical difficulties. I'm okay if you show the control bar instead of slideshow. It feels like slideshows causing the problem.

We have to open it again.

I'm sorry, we have to close it and reopen it. So you all have experienced technical problems in your lives. I'm sure. Apologize. Just keep this bar here. I'm okay with that. Okay. Nope, need to share. Hopefully this will do it. Doug, do you want to take questions while we're waiting for this to pop up again?

All right. Other questions? And I guess we need either Do you want a microphone? You want to come up? Okay.

I just I would like to get clarification on how many apartments they're going to be because according to the notice that we received, it says there's 120 affordable apartments.

And that is the correct number 120 464 for cell homes and 120 affordable for 584 total.

Okay, so are they going to be, I mean, because you said that the city's requirement is 15%, but you're making it 20%. Correct. Okay, so... I'm sorry, I'm not getting how that comes out to 120 affordable apartments. It seems that that's only a subsection of a bigger picture of how many apartments they're going to be.

Are you talking about the math? Yes. Yeah. So the key thing you're missing is when you calculate your percentage affordable, you don't include the affordable in that number.

I see. Okay. Okay. That's another way to look at it. Okay. It's not the way I'm used to doing it. And then the other question has to do and maybe you mentioned this about parking for these apartments. So is it going to be surface parking like currently like where the parking lot is? Or is there going to be a parking garage? Or where are people going to both? It's both? Yes. Okay. Okay. Because that's been an issue up here. with not having enough parking. That makes sense. Okay. Thank you. Good questions. Thank you.

Good afternoon.

Good evening. For the entitlement process was the builder's remedy used?

That is correct. So the application is being done under what is colloquially known as Builder's Remedy. It's part of the Housing Accountability Act. Now, with that being said, I hope you can see, Builder's Remedy has got some really bad media attention, and I get it. When a developer comes and puts a big tower next to single-family homes, that can be a problem. We went a long ways to try and make a match, but yes, it's Builder's Remedy.

I was just asking the question. Sorry. Is the multifamily building going to require prevailing wage?

That is a really good question. I don't have that answer right now. We're not far enough along, but certainly we can talk later.

So that means you wouldn't even have a general contractor in mind yet, right? We do not. Thank you. And then I'd like to see if I can contact you later and have a conversation. Thank you, sir. You bet.

Okay, this will be fast and then you can get back to your questions. So as you see the bicycle network on the left and the pedestrian network on the right. So you can see all the myriad ways that you can get through the site. Okay. I thought we were in good shape, but.

Particular slide for whatever reason is the one that makes it hang out.

Oh no. Maybe we're not going to talk about open space today. Yes, keep going with questions. We'll keep playing. All right, other questions?

Yes.

OK.

Doug, you mentioned breaking ground roughly within a year to 18 months, assuming everything goes swimmingly for you guys. What's the general duration of construction, starting with shovels in the ground or demo or land resetting or everything else? What would the scope of projects start to finish, people parking in the garages?

Okay, great question. So when we talk through the timeline, let's just talk through this again. So demolition starts towards the end of 2027. And shortly thereafter, your first shovels in the ground, will follow. I suspect that your first homes, as I mentioned, will start in the first half of 2028. When you look at this type of project, it'll be done probably in two phases. I would suspect that the first phase will take roughly two years to go from there to being complete. The second phase won't just start there. They'll overlap after that. And so I would say there's probably a year overlap. I'm kind of talking out loud here as I think this through. So I would say the duration from first shovel into the ground to all the cars are in the garage and this thing kind of wraps up is three to four years from there. Great question. It starts east to west. That is correct. Good knowledge.

Just to go back to the six stories. There's Development on silly Avenue North San Jose. I believe it's six stories. It looks really high compared to what's around. I'm concerned about having a six stories right here on Agnew Got it.

And I understand that's fair. Definitely a fair comment. Go ahead.

Yeah.

I've got one slide that's a rendering that shows it that answers, I think, your first question that you were trying to see in terms of how it impacts kind of looking from there. If we can get there, I'll show you. While we try and bring that up, any other questions? We won't forget you for sure. Yes.

I assume the schooling is going to be pretty much the same, right? Like Santa, yeah.

In terms of what schools?

Yeah.

Yeah, so I actually don't know Rivermark. I apologize. I know for us, where we would be going is Kathleen McDonald High School and Dolores Wirt Middle School. Is that the same? Kathleen McDonald. That's the new one. Yes, it's the new one. It was just built in 2022. Yes.

So is there going to be a separation between this housing and the rest of the Oracle campus, or it just blends into the rest of the Oracle campus?

There will be a separation. There will be fencing just on this component here up along between that and the Oracle campus.

You said it's going to start from the east, right?

Development will go from east to west.

So they don't start.

Okay.

So single family homes come last or they start at the same time.

They may start at the same time. It kind of depends. But all utility connections and everything are out of use. And so that's the side for us. I see.

I see some utility work going on on the Lafayette side. So maybe they might start at the same time. But a quick question about Lafayette regarding the high voltage towers that are coming up on there. Is there any, you know, what's going on? Like, is there going to be enough space between the single family? I see there's a part, but I hope that's taken care of because I assume the housing will start a little away from the high voltage towers that's planned for the Lafayette Street. Start away from where?

Sorry.

Oh, the high voltage. Okay. Okay.

yeah so interestingly Silicon Valley power is putting voltage here along here, so yes, that was all they will be pushed away. Correct. will be the park in between when I come up here.

Will there be any criteria for assigning the homes and townhomes like.

Good question. I do not know that process yet. It's still too far in the future. Absolutely. 100%. 100%. Okay.

This is actually for the landscape, and it is in relation to the six-story tower. There's legacy tree frontage along Agnew right now that shields the property from the street. Is that part of the continuing design?

The street trees on Agnews are not being touched, and the palm trees at the entry drive are not being touched.

So the housing will not be out facing toward the street. It'll all be in facing toward.

Correct. Let me run through this and then I can show you that slide that Doug was trying to get to. So there is a community park at Lafayette. It's a little bit over two acres and it has all the community amenities that can serve this community and the surrounding communities. We've worked very closely with the city to make sure we're meeting their program requirements for a small park. So we have a large playground that covers age groups from two to 12 so you can bring in toddler and you can bring in an older child and. The play equipment is separated by those two age groups, we have a large dog park that's also separated into a small dog area and a large dog area. Near the playground, there is a picnic area with some seating and a restroom so that that can serve the park as a whole. In addition to that, we have another picnic barbecue area near a basketball court And then an open multipurpose lawn area that can, it's not big enough to be a full fledged soccer field, but it's big enough to kick around a ball or play Frisbee or whatever else you wanna do on a lawn, have an event. There is a habitat garden that is along the main entry road and then a bio-treatment area. You can see that kind of blue color is the bio-treatment area that processes the stormwater. Here's a little view. overlooking the dog park and the playground and you can see the field in the background. So that is what is considered Lafayette Park. And now I'm afraid to touch a button. Do I dare?

I pressed.

I did and nothing happened.

That is a lie. I don't think it was happening before.

Okay. Well, the next park we were going to talk about was this linear park. It's called the Greenway Park. And it extends, there's a walkway that comes the whole way along the backside of the project. And there's a potential dog seating area down here. It could be either a seating area or a secondary dog park. And then you make a turn and you go straight up the Greenway Park that leads you to the historic park. Hmm. More questions?

I don't know what I'm raising. It's not a fan of the landscape slides, is it? No, it doesn't like them.

Oh, starting it again.

Other questions? Yes.

Will there be soundproof shields to be put on the side of Montague? Because it's quite noisy.

Yeah, great question. So, sorry, the question was, will there be any soundproofing measures up along the Montague side? because of the Montague Expressway. That's noise is one of the things that gets analyzed as part of the environmental report. And absolutely, that noise will be factored in in terms of design mitigations, whether that is through actual obstructions, or how the building materials used with the homes, etc. So great question. You're all familiar with the flight path. The flight path is the flight path, that is correct. There will be HOAs, yes. I'm not sure I've seen, that's not far enough along to have developed, but I would expect typical HOA requirements. HOA, yeah, yeah.

Hi, I was in Oakland Chinatown last week when they had a groundbreaking for the new Lincoln Park Rec Center and Resiliency Hub. And it's like the first, right? I've never even heard of it prior to attending that. Given so much new housing being built and climate change, obviously, any thoughts about resiliency hubs or emergency preparedness and community resource centers built into this plan? Any thoughts given to that?

So I have to admit, I'm not sure I know what a resiliency hub is. That was new for me too.

Yes, the first I heard of it. So for example, they gave examples like if there's a power outage or a really hot day like today, people can go there for AC, let's say, any type of earthquake or emergency like that. There's power. They have backup power. People can go there, right? So that type of resource for the community. So they're expanding the rec center in addition to what a rec center offers. They're also turning it into like a resiliency hub. Okay, interesting. So yeah, it's the first I've heard of it. So I'm sitting here thinking and a lot of thought put into this. Any thoughts on that?

We hadn't really approached that. That's an interesting idea. I'll definitely take that back and talk about that. I appreciate you bringing that up. Okay. That's new for me. Okay.

Doug, I might try to do this really fast before it fails again. So this is the Greenway Park. This is the bottom side of the site by Montague. This runs up against the three-story townhomes and leads to the affordable housing at the top and the clock tower park. So you can see it is preserving as many existing trees as possible. Dark green trees are some existing redwoods that are on the site. And I did forget to mention that in the craziness of slide 18, all the dark trees are existing trees to remain. And we're working really hard to keep as many trees as possible that are not in the building footprints. And the next slide is the Clock Tower Park. And the Clock Tower Park has a lot of great amenities as well. It has a nature play area. I don't know, how many of you have been able to get in the Clock Tower area because it's behind the Oracle fence right now? So it's really nice. It's adjacent to the historic clock tower building. There's a courtyard in the building that leads out to it. That's right here. The Oracle fence is somewhere down here. So you probably haven't been in there, but coming out of the historic building, there's a circular central green area. These are all existing trees, all the dark ones. So we're keeping all of those and just working around them to create a new recreational yoga deck and a lawn and adding some art into the park as well. To the plan north, we have another area that's an existing building that's non-historic, that's part of Oracle that we'll be taking down and adding in a nature play area, a small lawn that can be used for bocce or lawn games, and then a community garden at the top with a trellis. And then the affordable housing has a bocce court, and this is used by everyone, but a bocce court, some outdoor seating areas. There are some existing palm trees that we are attempting to keep there as well. And the affordable housing, the front side of it has an open courtyard that will be gated. It's for the use by the affordable housing, but it enhances the open space. So you can see the view looking, that's like a high level view looking over that circular lawn area. And then this is, believe it or not, it came up fast. This is the view from Agnews looking towards the clock tower where you can see, this is the affordable housing building. These are the townhomes and these are townhomes as well. And so you see how the clock tower is on axis with the entry. And I made it.

Thanks. That was painful.

Yes. We've got a landscape question.

A landscape question. Yay.

Landscape, I'm already putting in. What kind of landscaping are you using? Are you considering pollinators?

Absolutely. We would put in everything we're doing these days is sustainable pollinators, habitat friendly, low water use, native whenever possible. And so that's the kind of landscape we would do. There are some beautiful trees there that, as I said, we're preserving. We're not touching the historic park at all, which is a lot of lawn land. We're limiting lawn to areas where it's a usable surface and everywhere else will be habitat, pollinator, native.

A lot of colors, not just green.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.

Green, green, green everywhere.

Yeah, definitely, definitely. And we worked hard to preserve, if you've been there recently, if you drive that loop road, there are some beautiful Chinese elms. We worked really hard with the architect and the civil engineer because we wanted to keep those. It really makes a beautiful kind of LA over the road.

I appreciate the landscape questions. Like I know developers have bad reputations, but I hope you feel that, like I said, we want to take advantage of these things. And that meant also taking advantage of existing landscape features and doing things the right way with the future landscape that's being planted. And so that was really important to us. I happen to be a big bee person, have French Provence lavender in my yard and love it and all that stuff. So did you have a question? And then I think we need to go to online questions.

So I have a question. So you had mentioned earlier about how this is going to probably go to before the city council next year, sometime next year. So based on that, is there still an opportunity for there to be changes if it's going to the before the city council? Because I know, I mean, there's going to be the EIR report. I mean, there may be something that comes out of that, that

necessitates possibly a change so is there still an opportunity based that on this is because this is builder's remedy there is still an opportunity for change yeah we're definitely going through a process and if you have something like let's get together why don't you talk to me let me let me hear what you're having thoughts and and we'll do that for sure all right last one and then we'll go online

Just the amenities you mentioned about the bocce ball court and the community garden. Is there going to be a pool as well? Like any pool, clubhouse, gym, anything planned? No pool?

There is retail space.

Oh, there is retail space?

Oh, retail.

No, no retail. No. I thought you said duck. All right. You ready? I don't know how to do this work.

David, I've just unmuted you. You can ask your question. I see you have a raised hand.

Great. Yeah, I think you guys answered some of them. So thank you very much. Going back to the school question, I don't know if you know specifically for elementary school. I know you talked about high school prior, if you know anything, any information about that. And then the other question that I had was, any discussions with the current property owner, I think it's Oracle, about the rest of the network so-called property? Once this is completed, any follow-on projects or anything like that? Thank you.

Yes. Can you hear me? OK. So the elementary school is Montague Elementary School. And there have been no other discussions with Oracle about the rest of the campus. yeah I don't I don't know that I don't know that answer. yeah. Okay. Yes, we'll get that info.

I'll get that after the meeting.

You can come see us.

Yes. Second part of that gentleman's question is about follow-up projects for the remainder of the network.

Yes, we haven't had any discussions with Oracle about the rest of the campus, so I'm not really sure what their timing is or what they're thinking. As far as I know, they're going to continue using it as their offices. Thanks. 0.5 per one. Yeah, so one for two. There's one guest stall for every two homes.

So it's like a three-bedroom home. Most likely there's going to be at least three cars. There's only going to be one quad for every two homes, so possibly for every six cars, there's only two spaces. There's no guest parking. Well, there's not going to be that much.

That's guest parking. So there's the parking for the homes. So this is just purely guest parking, right? That's not per home. So that's just guest. So I walk through the parking for each home, typically side-by-side garage, right, for each home. And then that would be on top of that. Yeah. Yeah. So... I understand. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's interesting. I understand the parking. So when we look at parking ratios, I know that, I mean, a bunch of things happen. One, I get it. Totally understand the concerns about parking. Now, we all have parking with our own paradigm. And, you know, if your paradigm is you've got a house and you've got three drivers and three cars, that's your paradigm. There are other houses that I know it's surprising that they'll have a three bedroom home and they'll have one car. We found that on average, this kind of guest parking is a good ratio to handle the community. Now the other side, you know, whether we like it or not, but it's a reality is that driving habits and cars are changing before us right now. And I know our paradigm is right now and that's fair and I get it, but we all know what's coming in the world with robo taxis and all that kind of stuff. And so all the pundits and all the people who do this for a living are understanding that parking needs are going to be declining over time. And you may disagree, and that's fine. I totally get it. But, you know, you're starting to see it. Drivers license applications for youth 16 years and older are way down. And that's just the reality. And so I know it's hard, but... The important thing is this ratio works. We've seen this ratio work.

Yes. Yeah. So they have, so for them, they have a dedicated parking structure for them and dedicated surface parking for them.

It is what you call like a podium. So the first floor, right, is the parking structure. It's not subterranean. I'll have to look at that. I don't know what I want off the top of my head. There's not the traditional 18-foot driveway aprons, no. We can look at it. We've looked at it a lot. I can, we can talk about it some more. Yeah. But it's been something that we've been analyzing for a while now. Great thing, so one of the things I think Heidi mentioned is that as part of this, right, there's two different components. One is the transportation analysis for the EIR, but then separate from that, the city does their own transportation analysis. And one of the things that they look at are impacts to intersections and those things. So if you have specific concerns about specific intersections or whatever, make sure to talk to staff because they're analyzing that and they'll make sure to include that in their analysis. For sure, yes. All right, so let's see if this works. Yeah, we're having a problem bringing up. We'll try and bring it up, but she's right. The existing firehouse and John Burns and all that was on the right side of the screen. That point of ingress is the same. There's a little bit of change, but by and large, it's going to look the same. It's going to be very similar. Sorry for them to be able to hear. Sorry.

Kind of a mixed question, but what kind of research is or like what aspects has been researched to the potential impacts to like whether it's during construction or post-construction to the neighboring communities? And since it's kind of like a permanent conversion of land use from R&D to, I would say like pretty dense residential area to an already pretty dense residential area, like what kind of, what kind of, things have you guys thought or plan to kind of benefit back to the neighboring communities? Like what the lady just said, like a resiliency hub, something like that, just to have neighboring communities also benefit from this.

Yeah, so in terms of analysis that goes, As far as analysis goes, you know the ER is a very robust analysis in terms of the impacts on the. First Community benefits goes like Lafayette park is a public park. Pretty far away from the other side.

Yeah.

We'll look at, I'm going to look at this resilience thing. I haven't, haven't heard that before. So that was a very interesting idea. We're going to take that back and I'm going to research that a little bit for sure. Yeah. The clock tower park will not be public. Um, Yes, public means city-owned is what I'm saying. It will have access to it though, but it won't be a city-owned park. Lafayette will, yes. This one right here? This here? This is... Yeah, so we are currently in contract with them, with Oracle, yes, to sell it to us. Let's see. Do we lose Namisha? I was going to see if there were any other questions online. OK. Well, I really appreciate you coming and really appreciate your questions. There's certain things we're going to take back and look at. I appreciate that. And thank you for coming.

And so again, thank you again, everyone, for coming. I just wanted to mention that both the presentations will be posted on the project page on the city's website.