Redevelopment Commission - Regular Meeting

meeting national which are not very big cuz it was an executive meeting. Yes. I have that pen back please. Oh, you could use this one. I took it. That's okay. Not good. Is your expensive? Yeah. The I shouldn't sign that yet. Yes. No. I just when when you said that I went I went, "Oh, we better make sure we shut this off because it is it is still I know they're still bringing That's why I'm mad. They're still bringing it back. They're trying to bring it back. The lights still on. Yeah, I have to. Oh, okay. I mean, only thing I can do is vote no. I got one vote and it's no on tax abatement. I can't stop them from from the zoning. I can't stop them from nothing. The council can. So, they could build it if the commissioners allow it. I had a real long conversation with Bill Spalding. And I said, "Don't you even think for one minute that if you guys give them the permission to build that that they're even going to come for tax abatement cuz they will not even come to us. They've already told us they don't that they're going to give us $5 million over 10 years." Okay. Noral project was a million a month. Yeah. A million. And if you look at some of the others that we're doing, I mean, over the whole time, they won't pay as much as some of these are paying a year. Every year. I thought you were taking mine. It was just a ruse that they were going to ask for tax abatement because they're not. When once they get permission to do it, they make $300 million a day in profit. I know. And uh about the tax abatement for equipment for Walmart. Is there some sort of if the equipment is we've got if it's doing a something that a person job can do? No. Um, you can say say no. Well, the problem we've got with Walmart at the same time is um

and and Greg did a great job of doing the numbers breaking it down for us like a a three-year tax abatement, a 5year tax abatement, a seven-year tax, a 10-year tax abatement. Even at 10year tax abatement, which I don't think we're going to be able to give them that, but even at that, it still gives us millions a year. the wires different places fighting to us helicopter I don't know cororeweave just did another one in Hendrickx County which corweave is a basically a subsidiary of Google or it's the same thing it's a data center but right now Cororeweave just did their IPO and they're huge in the in the in the world right now but um they just did a a data center in in in county and the guy stood right there and said, "We don't think it's right for us to to give money to the county for projects like trying to buy us." Okay. Um, we don't think it and we're not going to pay you any proper personal property tax and and for 40 years for 40 years. That's and he said this in public, no personal property tax. That's what we use through our tip districts to help the school systems and the other taxing units. And then he said, "We're going to give you $500,000 a year uh for taxes." Okay? We want tax abatement, but but if it's not if our baitment still gets us below 500,000, we'll make sure it stays at 500,000. So that's $5 million over 10 years. Okay? They make $300 million a day in profit. Not gross profit. and they were going to give us five million and take half of our capacity for that whole area for electric water and uh it no and they pulled their application but now they're bringing it back and

yeah my problem is I can't only thing we can do is say no to tax abatement but they don't need it they don't care about few million dollars a year in tax abatement they could care less Okay. Because you know that one they make more in one day than than they would ever pay in tax abatement. You know what I mean? What do you say about the one in Ohio? The one in Ohio. The ones that they've had us look at. They gave him that 40 years. Well, I one of them had 50 years. They gave them. That's crazy. And they gave those to you to look at like just the the data. Yeah. Greg, our financial consultant, figured it all out. Any of the commissioners or anybody? Um, well, the problem we've got with Walmart is we need to give them some of where anybody from the commission going to go visit an actual Google data center. They've asked I turned them down. Lisa Lee asked if I definitely should before you vote. I mean, I mean, if if it was leaning more towards Yes. Don't don't say yes until you go visit one. Nobody's mentioned in that whole meeting noise and so like it has been brought up a lot. I did hear it in that meeting and if you have you know a lot of cooling fans I mean sound yeah they they are noisy. Yeah. So but that's what that's what tells is worried about. I live in Mount Vernon Point and I can hear everything that goes on at the airport. Yeah. Jetwise, if if they would have came to us and said, "We have a $50 million program that we're going to benefit your community if you let us come here and we're going to do this for your schools, going to do this for your fire department, we're going to do this for the parks department." And if they'd have come here and said that, then we would have had a lot of homework to do to say no to that. Okay? But they

didn't. They came here and said, "We're going to give you nothing. Nada." and he stood right there and talked to me about $5 million over 10 years. And I wanted to ring his neck. And he was the guy that did the Honda plant. He was the attorney that did the Honda plant in Greensburg. And I'll bet they raped those people when they put that up there cuz years ago they were begging for jobs. Probably they gave them whatever they want. And the 50 people that they said they were going to spend a billion dollars and hire 50 people and pay them each two or 300,000 a piece, they're not even going to live in Hancock County. There's no place for them to live in Hancock County. We don't have the high-end. They're going to live in Gistster or Carmel. When you're making $300,000 a year at your job, you're not living in Greenfield and Maxwell. Okay? You're not living, you know, we have very few housing in here and we don't have the amenities. We don't we don't have the the amenities. We don't have the golf courses, the the big housings that the We don't have the reservoirs. We don't have any of the amenities that people income can afford. Yeah, I can't see the data center would benefit us a whole lot at this point. I can't see it at all. Now, bring me bring me a manufacturing or bring me something even if it's related to um um drugs, you know, because we got to bring all those drug manufacturing u plants back from China. We can't have our drugs made in China anymore. You're you to if you took a Tylenol today, you're taking something that came from China. We got to get those things. Who wasn't aware of that? Oh, yeah. All those drugs you take, 85 or 90% of the drugs we take, the compounds and the chemicals from those come from China. And it just drives me crazy that we would allow that to happen to us. We did. I got I had a prescription filled once and I read on

the package um it was from India. I went back to the pharmacist. like do you have something made in America? I don't know. No, they don't medicine from India. Right. And I give me something like that. I think what we're going to we probably we will be presented to before it's over if somebody doesn't take it ahead of time is military stuff. Indiana makes and president just said he's going to spend $250 billion on the dome project over the next 10 years to put the security dome over the North America. And standing right next to him when he said that on TV was Jim Banks. And Jim Banks was standing there for a reason. Cuz the majority of the Patriot protections, you know what the Patriot system is? It's when someone shoots a missile into your thing, it shoots it down before it gets here. Okay. Israel has a lot of that. We We give it to them. I know. And they're moving some of that to Ukraine. Yes. They're moving UK. The re But 90% of those missiles and that system is made in Fort Wayne and Indianapolis. Rathon is the second or third largest military uh construction company in the world and they have a main construction. It used to be called um my grandmother worked there. That's where the Norton bomb site was for the B 17 bombers in World War II. When Jim Banks is sitting there and he's saying, "We got a $10 billion expansion that we have to do and he has a 1500 acre site less than 10 miles from the one of the largest of the Rathon." Guess what? They've got to be saying, "Well, we can just expand over here at Greenfield." And um but I'm saying that's good jobs,

though. Okay? I'm saying that's good jobs. That's I'm not saying no, let's don't do that. Um but uh and that's for me um that's one of the people for some reason think it's controversial. That's the greatest thing he could do is set up the United States so we can't be cuz right now we're so far behind the curve in security. China has a boat and I've already seen pictures of it. They can put something stupid like 50,000 drones on it and they can float that boat over near you and they can release 50,000 drones over the top and they can change and they and they can kill everybody from the air with these drones. They can drop on every house. If they wanted to take if they wanted to blow up every house in a whole state, they can do that with drones. Have you seen the guy Palmer Lucky? I think is his name. He's the inventor of the visual virtual reality that Facebook bought for $2 billion. So very rich. He started this defense um company and they're getting ready to test a totally automated drone. Nobody's flying it. It flies itself. It identifies the target. It shoots it. And they're going to the the tactic is, you know, you fly like five to 10 of those on a mission with one piloted plane and that piloted plane doesn't actually go in, right? It can still be so high you can't reach it. It can be 5 miles in the air. Nobody's pilot piloting it and nobody's piloting that. That's crazy. Yeah. Now, in the same token though, you can buy something today if you had enough money to put in your driveway that a drone can't penetrate your

airspace above your house. How does it do that? It shoots up an electric field. Mhm. And it goes up at a certain distance wherever it shoots and anything that flies into it automatically burns. Well, the the prisons have that, you know. That's exactly what's prisons have that anti- drone system, right? So that's exactly what's going to this dome that they're talking about. It won't be there will be individual missiles, but that's there will be lasers cuz they said they can shoot a lot of smaller things down with lasers that the computers will laser beam the things and these electric fields cuz um electromagnetic fields will be the future will be the check and balances for a lot of this stuff. They can fly electromagnetic charge over a fleet of Chinese boats and disable them all with one electric charge. Because it burns all of the the the chips. Crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy stuff. I have a Can I ask you a non county related question? But I work for the state the instafeties. So we're now working on the Pton prisons and so worked for the government this job and I'm more of a technical background. So I'm going in looking at what I did. I did a site survey in all these prisons and yeah Mickey because I'm at a point that we have to start looking the the Did you take my data switches are in horrible places? I don't think so cash balances so we don't have to get Oh, it's that one silver one. Is it one of those? Yeah, it's the try and find two spots right there. Yeah, go ahead. So, we received quotes

from there's only one contractor. They'll sell you if you got cash. No other contractor given to you. They're going to be the contractor and they have a QPA. I was like I was going to look binds them to certain labor units that there's a farmer in the commercial world. That doesn't happen. You don't you don't dictate what the contractor is going to charge you. You get quotes and it's competition. So now 200. Oh yeah, we received a quote for x amount of dollars for for labor. So I went to school with Kelly. Um do they have to justify that or is that kind of they get it done in less time than they get to keep the resters to say and I know you said at public meetings which make sure uh the way that if if they get finished early then they get to keep that remaining money. Okay. Well, so we got screwed on the jail project because of that because the commissioners negotiated something stupid like 50%. They got to keep 50% of the overages because they were they were sold to because RKW was Yeah. They made an extra three or four or5 million. And so what the where the where the fraud comes in in that then they overpric everything. Okay, just for example, well, wait. I don't want to relive history. I want to get an answer to my question. I'm tasked with looking at these invoices we're sending in and I'm not an accountant right

anyway. So I'm looking at these invoices and they sent one in for $600,000 and no if you get it sent out on fire and previous months it was a 200300,000 this one well that also takes the redundancy of the fire department's trying to buy every every department basically all they're doing is taking like the total of the labor you should have a thermal drone lighting it up so that the problem is that all the the labor I'm used to the commercial world like it should just be in the truck. Say it's going to take you four hours to install something and you do it too much in your pocket. It's not illegal. But if it's for the state it if when you work for the government and you do that is it illegal? I don't know. Um I don't know. The county we've signed contract commission have signed contract. Well, the other thing that we've looked at is there are some that if they beat the Yeah. And and to your point about inflating the numbers on their quote, these projects were not designed by an architect. They're designed build right where it's giving view of what you're looking at now. You prisons prison. So, it's a high um the labor is going to be higher in a prison because other workers have to be escorted. They have to fill out list of tools and they have to the camera down. Set that thing there. You're going to work on a on a fivetory building in Indianapolis. My husband worked for the state and years and years and years ago when he first started his foot into the state. Yeah, it's I'm concerned because I'm bet I'm not sure if I'm doing this right. I'm working with he's

retiring unexpectedly. He's young. I I think there's something early. Chance of getting guy that he and I are like joined at the going through these projects. He's leaving. We got the over billing or questionable billing on labor for those projects and the DFC money for years. So, have you run into this before? We got Yeah. Yeah. basically were getting it and not dumb work for the state like be the only one and and guy I'm joined at the hip with he has to prove it like I review it from my standpoint it's okay I'm looking for like are they charging us for this widget or so you're not getting bills things and invoices that you're looking They didn't know. They were just sending us labor material and and nothing broke down. I said we could see more, you know, like the Doge stuff that they found. Yeah. The millions and billions of Doge stuff. No paper chase at all. No. No. The money was released from Treasury Department and they burned everything when when the Biden people were told to burn everything so that those people couldn't find out who signed the invoices. They didn't a lot of them didn't even sign for invoice. They just [Music] start no paper chase at all if if paper is like a key. It's a miracle. And it

was Have you tried asking for more specific maintenance? Yeah, I I questioned some the bill in February and that got everybody's attention because the seals are seem right. They're building. They started the project in January. This is February. And they're building us for like a huge labor. Like there's no way. And so they over they admitted they build us and now they're crediting us. Now I've got engine issues with trying to follow like I keep I have a full mechanic shop I think. Yeah, you guys have enough mechanical. I was hired to oversee the technical side, but if you don't have the information, there's I mean, and then you've got green in the city garage. I will spend $500,000 on the city. We're budgeted for 100. They have um contingency money in there. I had to explain. I guess you're spots that um labor factors for projects that are trucks when your fire trucks but it's still I don't have as much apparatus although I have other hydraulics [Music] $60 in the commercial world they're billing over $100 an hour to meet you they put a a labor factor like each item just saying that We're going to charge this amount extra because now

my boss retired and this new guy didn't his boss I work on the same as them he's got five in the I don't do it themselves for rest of the prisons to continue on. So like when that $10,000 I've learned through my career. I haven't met anybody. I was thinking I'm gonna get to work this job for the next few years before I retired. Easier said than done in the fire service. It is difficult. Um when I was auditor, I never allowed any invoices specifics on them. You need to know what you're paying for. Simple as that. Yeah. this even something to look at and scan and say, "Okay, this ex this explains it and you you have a record." And I I looked at their QA and there's verbiage in there that does say that they could be audited and and the state can go back and look at their records when they weren't giving us anything at all. And you know, do it for your protection, too. You know, you have to have somebody you're charging what you're charged is but but the whole but the labor thing I get it I I look at the test results if they if they put in 900 jacks um well let's say they put in 500 jacks but on the close they put in 900 jacks

so that's that would be a $400 a 400 um data jack difference so I know they didn't install those 400 shortage they can't build for that especially from And that's like I said I mean I'm doing 30% of my run volume is going to other department when I when I divide it down then burning we're about a 3 to one between three to four to one like 50 sugar creeper about a two per day working and I know that 50 people working almost 200 times. We accepted the quote that we will pay that amount that total amount. So they're trying to space it all out. or that at the end they get that much money. Gary would have any He might. He might. He's done a lot of things over the years. I'm kind of perplexed. Yeah, that's right. I want to do the right thing by by the contractor, too, because they're doing a good job. Um, and and if they are entitled to that money, which I thought they were, then I I would hate for like the ineptness of my new boss and and the state to spur them out of getting that. They could just say, "Hey, we're not going to do any more prisons." But they think four years, correct? Government's difficult. 40 buildings at the at the Pendleton Reporatory, the one with the walls, the big walls, the old one. 40 buildings and we're running a fiber optic cable to everyone. Every one of them. I've crawled through the tunnels. They have tunnels with steam pipes in it and three, four times. It's been a lot. I I know that place by like the back of my hand. I bet you do. I do. I never in my wildest dreams thought I'

I've passed it for decades, you know, driving to Pendleton or Anderson, but never been. Now I've been in I go every Tuesday for um progress. Yeah. And a lot of people don't realize it's a maximum security. Part of it is maximum realize that. Yeah. There are some bad bad bad people there. And and you know what's really strange? I don't feel uh endangered when I'm walking through there. I feel I'm I'm at first when I would walk by a prisoner like because there there's prisoners walking around everywhere going want to eat and stuff like that or they have all kinds of programs. They train dogs, you know, for help save people and stuff. But um when I first started going there, I when I was passing a prisoner, I was just like now it's just like keep your distance. You don't interact with you can interact with some of them but not you don't usually just like go on. You know a lot of people don't realize how violent those places can be because like I said my husband worked there for a little while to get out of here. He said the people that get promoted are the people talking about the guards and he said that's how you get promoted. And he said sometimes they will send me in an area with a whole lot of people and he said the only reason they don't hurt me is because you have to get more out of the people you I have nothing to protect myself just absolutely we walked in this one building I don't remember which prison it was and they all the inmates were getting ready line up to go eat or something there was one old lady like in her 70s guard she was so old and decrep I'm I mean, she I don't want to make her sound really bad. I'm sure she could probably kick somebody's butt, but um one lady can't defend herself against all that.

And it's that way everywhere. There's dorms. I didn't realize they have cell houses where they're individual cells or whatever. She beat herself. Then there's dorms, big room with 50 guys in it. Security. So on Pendleton uh reformatory uh Indiana State Reform Indiana State Reformatory is what it's officially called. People admin is like the center door and then if you're inside there's cell houses that go off in four different directions like a bicycle spoke the admin's in the middle. I was in one of those and those are like the really bad guys and the maintenance man said he watched a video came up. I watched a guy a video of a guy um talking to his buddies and then calmly walked over and started stabbing this guy. We were going, "Oh, wow. Where'd that happen?" He goes, "Right back where you were standing." is. Yeah. It's it's a rough place. My husband was really happy to go to DNR. Yeah. And they don't get paid enough. No. But they could use other things. We don't hear about that all the time. The guards getting stabbed and things that happened to them. They set us down. He was a movie to watch that happens to some of the guards and it wouldn't This is a state. This is a state network switch. Weirdest thing is is it didn't matter how much [ __ ] you see they've got a they've got a plug into a jack up here and then they split the pairs. Oh, they split it. Oh my god. You're not supposed to do that. No. And it's just like old. And this was in a room that was probably 110° because it's

in a mechanical. Look at all the electrical around it. and and right outside this room there steam pipes and and so I went on surveys all these places and go n we got to go find another place. So then we um but we Yeah, that was my big focus. What it's going to look like now is it's not the exact same location, but let me find one. Where's all the cabinets? So I didn't like it when he was just took some yesterday. That's going to be where the new MDF, that's CIF, next door to the big prison. But he's not there. That's being wired. But it's going to be a nice cabinet. It's an inside secure area. It's air conditioned. Yeah. Bernie is very partic our IT guy here. He's very particular about the where everything is. Yeah. So I take pride in my work but the working for the state is so weird actually speed up throughput too. You don't know yeah you know government is very different and I wasn't a fan of roundabouts normal business world. Yeah. So anyway thanks for listening. Oh you're welcome. Well you know here we could always send invoices back but how it works there I don't know. We could just send an invoice back and say we need more information. But yeah, I'm guessing maybe that's not enough sometimes. I think that's probably what we should do is just say send us send us detailed information on your labor. Yeah, they should not just turn in labor. They ought to turn in all the They shouldn't just turn in and just say labor, right? They got they got to give the amount of hours that they worked. Yep. Per person. Yes. Yes. Per person.

Yep. I heard that run come out. My PIO for that shift put a picture up and I'm just cuz one of Brad's deputies, Nick Ernst, sent me the picture. He's like, check this out. I was like, holy crap. He's like, I think he's sick. Like, how did he get his car up in the middle of the roundabout? I can't find statues that go from one down by Coyote statues [Music] from from home team. What does coyotes have to do with uh Sugar Creek or Sugar Creek Coyotes? That's a that's the mascot of their school. Oh, okay. Got deer. Where are the Buccaneers? We need a buccaneer. Yeah, you need buccaneers. We can make that. Well, though there Yeah. I thought we were talking about roads or something like what we put. Oh, we got they actually were kind of It's fun, but it's also a good way finding thing. People can Oh, go past those coies. It has a good way finding some interesting thing with some of theirs. some of the hard work that they've had pop up in the middle has been like he was not dressed. Not dressed. All right. It must have been one of those he was in full like rogo. I know you did. Just starts going to work for you. Oh, I was going to ask you a question. Yes. From a personal standpoint of my

job at the state. See you. Um, so I'm rewiring. I'm not rewiring. I'm overseeing the installation of new data at the prisons. And so um we received quotes like last year on all of the prisons and they're working like five and they're doing penalty sift right now. So they send in their the bills billing invoices every month for the labor. I'm used to the commercial world where a contractor says it's going to take me 100 hours to do this job and they get it done in 50. Oh yeah. Absolutely. The private sector doesn't see what the labor mineral cost plus inte their labor like $60 personal property going forward. Is it just all TNF time of material? Uh basically I guess that the labor they're saying hey this month the labor was this amount of money and there's no back it up. Oh, they don't know that they've only got a three-year abatement on the equipment. Not like the auditors are I don't know. They're just going to change their their schedule on the be for them to review it and pay it. So I my pay apps I'm I do they do have to do a bill.

Yeah. And that's part of what we're gonna and I knew that you recently wanted to pay. I'm surprised you're not. Yeah. And then Well, when they bid it, they're only allowed to bill for $60 an hour. And the prisons are not your typical they're more difficult. So, u typically a contractor will have a labor factor. If it's a high-rise, it's harder for the guys to go, you know, get material and whatnot. So, they they put like a 10% labor factor on how is it contracted? So, you have a QPA QPA that covers within that QPA. The problem was we were I would say coming from our building. We were told from our former administration, "Yep, we're getting something. We're getting something. We're getting something." pay and get. So when I got into my position, I called up and I said, "Hey, we were told that you worked a deal with Walmart and that we should be getting take advantage of this." And he goes, "Oh, that wasn't us. You need to talk to Randy Seli." [Music] I called Randy. I said, "Randy, talked to John." He said that, you know, you guys worked in the deal with this Walmart facility that benefit out of this. How do we How do we think about pay for each then. Well, no, no, no. That was the commissioner. They were the one that had to do that negotiation. Yes. It is. It was Oh, no. No. The other one was taking care of it. And so, didn't know what the right hand was doing. They um we are now part of their it's called a spark program um where we can put in for grant request. However, it's a maximum of 5,000 quarters. So, we got five I got the 5,000. Um, you know, we bought some we bought a piece of equipment that we need. I perform

like Okay. So, now I got to put on my calendar. You know how much they're charging per hour if they're going to buy each item? Is that a state thing? I don't know. I would need to look in the QA and see what it says. Need to look exactly it might be included in price says that. Mine says labor included. I've actually gotten interesting donations from a and in that case it's semi of water trailer of water and when they were driving the load shifted and it busted out about a pallet of water and so they had 18 they they refused the shipment tired. Well, the shipper said he's not from another shipment. So, so they called me and said, "Hey, I've got 18 pallets of water. Are you interested?" I went, "Um, okay." So, we got we got 10 pallets of water and I I told my assistant chief I went to keep the pallet for each station, but we gave two pallets to Sugar Creek, two pallets to to Vernon Township. I think took a pallet invoice that had material in the labor room to warehouse. 10 and there's no TN and those you have to speck out. Exactly. You know something like weird like yes you like Charlottesville when the fish there was a frozen fish the frozen fish and they're like we're just going to throw it away. We're like oh no you're not. So we used to be that way. Um, it would be anything and everything we would take. And now we try to be so, um, I think it was Amazon as well. They called us and said, "We've got a bunch of fire extinguishers that we can't use anymore." Okay. So, we took them and we actually just did a training with um, I can't think of who it was.

One of the local businesses asked if we do fire extinguisher training for their staff. Oh, wow. So, we took the extinguishers that we had that service because they had been dropped or were out of date. But, we're doing a controlled burn. I mean, that was what I use it. So, it didn't cost us anything. That's awesome. So, that I'm glad you mentioned that. $2,000. [Music] It's charged or is it still charged? Labor dressing. Whatever you're talking about. I don't do labor. No. Um, I really have never gone through the process of getting rid of an old fair to say it's fair for the state to say or my manager to say like, "Hey, 10 guys on this project days that month recycling." Well, Donna, I bet she can tell you how to get rid of that. Absolutely. I'm wondering if if that's on their list of things that the legislators there and they're passing the budget. Is that bianium? Well, I think it's a technology recycling. That was an unrelated question. I have some of the I have some of the questions. I can find all the answers, but I don't have them all. this I don't know so deal with this contractor even though it's being funded by money from that budget it still can carry over can't it past July I wasn't actually is that something that a document has to be sent okay it's just

not like an automatic thing contractor typically have a term outside the term. There has to be a bring a ladder truck that's something I looked at the QPA and they're like we ended upending it. Ask your contractor ladder that we got the contract. That's what we were supposed to be promised. Well, you know, and it was a we were bridging because our first ladder truck was a donation pricing and spec rusted out on it. I mean, the mechanic comes in and puts a big sign on says under no circumstances drive this vehicle. And we're like, oh, okay. So they found the bridge and we thought that that was going to be a bridge to get the test results an apparatus for 500 data jacks or five00 data jacks and and will be here hopefully in April. Um I get 500 test results but on the quote it said um 700 jacks or 700 then in that case they don't get paid for that because they're not providing well if they're if they're paying for each they get paid for 500 each. If they're paying a lump sum, you would typically do a cost adjustment for 57 of the pay 500 700. They would get paid for the 500. If your spec was calling for 700 and you got 500, they didn't. There's no spec. There's no spec on the job though. It's all design build. The designer spec and scope of work. Yeah. But it doesn't the quote has quantities but it the scope of work is more general like I'd

have to see the contract so many different ways to structure so many different ways anything to get you got the you need to review this and then if it's okay pass it on to you want to get all the contract documents there has to be a contract document that defines what we're buying how we're measuring what we're buying I I understood the QPA. Thank you. I get time to look at it. I'm not Okay. Yeah. Busy. Thank you. We're all busy. Looking for another fire department. appreciate you. Oh, sure. You know, I'd come back from Senator again. Oh, wow. Right. Hanging in there. It's all we can ask for. I have no idea. Happy I get to live another day. It was actually across the room from

cleaning up our whole mess over there which is my whole thing and they cleaned the family together and we already had members of that family. to be there. You know, he's like, I just want to see, you know, it's a little we'll let you know, but it sounds like over your entire sensitive people know what the changes are that are happening. uh when you decide to let you guys before anything happens toler I have it sitting in my basket I'm as far as I'm concerned I'm ready for it to be recorded let's up So you just need to protect that. Absolutely. It's not going to happen on our end or mass, right? All right. And I know a guy that put together everything that would be I don't maintain their we've gone through the whole process. Everything I know it's fine. And I think they were in recently to get it signed off and stamped off on. Yeah. It's a mile. Is Mike gonna be here today? Okay. Yes. The title company called and asked why it hadn't been recorded and I was

like it's in my basket that I said go record it. So I don't know. What were you doing? Oh, I'm tired. Where's my phone? Okay. I'm a one of the vendor tickets last night. Dayare after this. So I brought my purse grandson. It was really good. So I'm really I don't like to go out on school at night. But mom and dad can't manage. So got it covered and they were really good seeds. [Music] Yeah, stop. They're really good. And they didn't want to take the kids. I'm glad I didn't have to buy them because I think they would have been really expensive. All right. Well, for an hour to spend. Yes. I'm out of here. You want me to ask questions? Have a good day. I'm coming ask questions and plow. Everything good on the survey between minor and Yep. I heard there was some No, the uh existing tile that's in the ditch that will be coming out. Uhhuh. Was on him, you know. Well, they owned to the center line of the ditch. So, part of that tile was or that culver Yeah. went into his property. So, he didn't care. We're going to remove that anyway and put a new one in. Okay. All right. That's the only as drawn. Everything is correct on the flat. Yep. That's what I wanted to check. Okay. All right. Y I have no issues. All right. Excellent. Nope. I just wanted to make sure we were all that we didn't need to adjust before we recorded. No, he called and he goes, I just want you guys are going to be on my property and so I pulled everything out

and but we're doing the job for him, too. So everything for sure. So, he was going to buy one of those lots, but he couldn't do what he wanted to do. Lot of fun. Get yours through. Just It's very family friendly. It's not It's a process. I'm hoping that, you know, my recommendation on his like massive. It's so much bigger than anything they have here. Yeah. You said reszone. Yeah. Yeah, my daughter took her our her son and he was a newborn split. What happened there? I didn't catch it. Cut it out way. Split one. There should have only been well acres except flatting for one. Ah fig spent like a whole day. I spent I went from the rat yesterday. So my head is sleepovers very often because he was asleep while at my house. He's up but it's from the original tract no matter the size of the remaining acreage. You get up to three splits including the parent track anywhere. Yeah, if you want to do I also don't believe in the cried out method from platting provisions. So you can go ahead and build a house on it, right? doesn't mean that even if you've got 10, you can split it three more times indefinitely. Three splits off the parent tract. And if any one of them is under 10 acres, it's a minor subdivision. The other two are now also part of that minor subdivision. Even if they're exempt from the platting provision, they're the they're split still. Well, you have taken all day to look at that. Maria witnessed my planning existential crisis. Awesome. Man, I'm glad you got

great help. I mean, that's Yeah, it was nice to have her to like handle all the other stuff so I could just like feel comfortable with him. My house is not 100% baby. All right, I'm going to run to the bathroom. I'll be right back. I don't know. How much? Golf season. He can unlock my doors. So, that's good. Yes. Well, which golf season? Your daughter. Oh, she's done. She graduated. Yeah, she graduated. My children was in college career may or may not be over. Yeah. The way they do it now, you can play five years of college or six. So, she's in contact school in Nebraska at Omaha. I mean, I blink to fly her off. I get a call from our neighbor at like 5th breakfast with my kids really. So the only way that's going to happen I'd walk out of a room to like unload the dryer and I come back like drawing on the pay for a year and I hope gets paid back. I bet you want her to be on how bad you want. Yeah, she can go to school locally or online. golf team to make it better, right? Yeah. Yeah. He'd pull like a chair and then put like a end table on top of it and have this like perilous contraption be climbing all the way to the dead bolt at the top of the door. Like, oh my gosh, he was terrible. I just don't know at this point because, you know, last week NCAA changed that the colleges can pay that. going forward for the NIL money

donors and correct alumni but now the school itself can pay not yet who knows what it's going to how how do they so how do they decide because it's it's going to be a bidding war now your your your three major sports, your baseball and basketball, football face one more and basketball then pretty much. Yeah. And then down the line the little the smaller the track and field, the golf, the tennis and all that then they become so how do they do how do they get their monies to distribute to their idol? Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah. So she she's working at the uh wellness a call physical therapist physical therapist. Yes. That's and that's her studies. So my uh she's in graduated from Hey boss. She's going to she's going to wheels are on everything. Everything's going all right. Master's part. That's cool. I think we got the amp the amplifier data thing squared up. We got that more reasonable. We've got the drainage thing squared up. So that's okay. I get the new we just have I think I think the wheels are on everything. Yes, I did. I didn't even come back. Bridge is open. Things are getting hot. How are you doing? Maybe we need a little bit of color in our uh sun is shining. Things are good. I just went to the pool yesterday. I'm in I'm in our clothes. We've all got a little color. We're all black. Most of my wardrobe

ready to go to you. I just haven't got it out yet. I just I've been busy as canvas behind your desk. We're busy in a one- arm paper hanger. Is that because the whole like industry? I've always been a canvas. printed on card stock. Don't want any change. No change. And all my clothes match. No wants any change whatsoever. Made colored card. Uhhuh. Sideline. Oh yeah. Yeah. Whenever you get settled in I got on one arm. I got tan on one arm. Is going to be here or I went to the pool yesterday with my youngest. Good question. chair with the book and I have a white line. I've heard that. I think from where my heart was holding. Well, especially with the way they're working on stuff. My my knees are feeling a little See, somebody like an engineer, but if they're doing stuff out there with track people on rosy knees up, he has a specific look. Just wondering. If I'm right, I'll let you he got the wardrobe. He got the call. be interested if I coordinated today. I got a mile. Other than that, we'll talk. I've got a little bunch of little projects to talk to you about, but you're fine. Now, I work to civil engineer. I have a certain type. Am I looking next to although like I would get it like last night? Just that there's no like you have any comments how early I can go to bed like sometimes I just finish overall or just Yeah. Anything with sight plan or anything? No, I don't have anything for them. I I I'll send them out for drainage. So I think someone's coming in. He looks I decided I don't wait for my husband and he's going to say he's not asleep and in front of the television. So I'm going to tired of

playing that game. I just go on. My problem is I have a threshold. Well, we'll look at it later. Have to go to bed. All right. I'll see you in traffic and I get past that threshold. I'm up all night. Right. Except for So it was and was everything. So Mariacs I can dark blue day. Everybody else is black. We all have white on freaking missed the memo. But you're pretty close. You still kind of fit. There's nothing worse than I really can say. There's absolutely no color in this group of people. Where's the interface? Sometimes I'll put on a dumb YouTube. You want the hidden agenda? There you go. You need to get to Brett for that. He's one that's got the hidden agenda. We We just have the regular last night was not comments. All right, it is 10 o'clock. I'm going to go ahead and bring the start of the technical committee agenda for June 12th, 2025. We'll begin with roll call. Auditor here. L here. Highway here. Mutual A here. Land Commissioner here. Purdue here. Here. Has everyone had a chance to read the previous meeting's minutes? And does anyone have any additions, deletions, or modifications need to be made to those minutes? Motion to accept the minutes from last meeting. I'll second. I have a motion to second. Those in favor I. Those against the same. Thank you. First item on agenda is Zion Lutheran Church ILP Techreview 25-2603. Is anyone here for them? Can you call? Um, we'll pass on that one. See if they're on their way. We'll circle back around. We'll circle back. This is Hey everybody, by the way, Maria

Henriquez, our new planner. Oh, and new business. Let's get her introduced. All right. All right. Next item. Thomas Manib, I apologize. I got that wrong. And Lisa Becks, minor sub, uh, Buck Creek, Replat 25-26 09. Yes. I'm sorry. It's very thick. Paper cut. You got anything? No. Sir, is your I have nothing. Good morning. You've been busy lately. I bet. Yeah. Sorry. It's It's card stock. I don't know why I did that. Fancy. It was on accident. It was fair stuff. I dollar. All right, we'll kick it off. Um, Purdue just has one thing and but but maybe you don't need this. I just didn't see covenants. Maybe covenants aren't necessary. It it says on there at the back on the second page that um they're using the same covenants as second minor. Oh, good point. Okay, so strike that. Thank you so much. So, you're good then, right? Yes. Thank you. Uh just a couple things on mine. uh field verification of the working 8 in tile which I imagine it is working since it's handling Mills's property and their property but it is um the drainage ement that you have running there you show it crossing the other 20ft drainage easement probably wanted to stop it at the one drainage easement and then I had a question and this is maybe more towards our friends upstairs um but is this just a replat of lot one or is this a replat of all of Beck's second because at the says replat of Beex second which would include the second lot. Yeah, that's mislabeled. It It should be just a replat of lot one in Beex minus 7. Okay. Yeah, I have the same question. Okay, there we go. Thank you. That's all

I have. Highway no comment. Uh soils and drainage invert. Yeah, we're working on getting those for you. Okay. So, yeah. Um Tom Adams has been very very busy. So, so they're already it's already scheduled just not done. Okay. Yeah. I have no questions. No comments. Okay. Thank you. I move that we approve based upon completed comments from surveyor and health. Second. I have a motion second. Those in favor respond I. I. Those against the same. Thank you. Next item on the agenda, Adam and Carl in Lash Estates 2 minor subdivision 25-2611. Oh, thank you, ma'am. Thank you. Purdue has no comments. Planning just has one comment. We were unable to find the deed of dedication statement on the plat. Okay. Yeah, we'll get that added. So survey um field verify the working 8 in tile. Yep. Um indicate the PC on the plat. Um first call on the plat does it match? I think it's missing the word feet. Okay. Um and then the 8 inch tile you're going to put in. There's an existing tile that we're trying to get uncovered and verified. So, we'll work with your office to get that uncovered, see what size it is. But the 8 in tile that's going to come down to on the back side, the one that's connecting the other lots, that will have to either be

installed or bonded before recording. So, gotcha. Yep. Okay. The duty of dedication. That's it for me. Invert. Okay. Yeah, we'll get that one. Get it uncovered. So, she's trying to find a contractor to do that. I figured that. I have no comment. No comments. I move that we approve based upon the completed comments from planning, surveyor, highway, and health. I'll second. I have a motion to second. Those in favor respond. I those against the same. So moved. Next item. D uh severe David Severe minor sub minor subdivision 25-2612. [Applause] for getting your exercise. They give you all of them at once. We just figure we'll just give them all individual. [Laughter] Oh, they're making trails that you can do that now. Thank you. All right. Purdue. No comment from Purdue. Okay, same comment uh as before from planning just missing that um need of dedication statement. That's odd. You know, they come and go. I don't know. You have these templates set up and written agreement for the offsite easement. Okay. And then same thing, tile installed or bonded before recording. Okay. Dedication statement, soils and inverted. Those are planned as well. Yeah. No comments. No comments. I move that we approve based upon the completed comments from planning, surveyor, highway, and health. I'll second. I have a motion second. Those in favor respond. I. Those against the same. So moved. Next item. Shaver, Matthew, and Karen.

Shaver, minor sub, minor sub with a 3 to1 exception. 25-13. That's odd. There's no 26 on that. I'm assuming there's a 2613. 2613. Yep. Got it. 2613. Just making sure you're paying attention. Yeah. I just love these three lot miners. [Laughter] trying to get as many in as they can. I can hear them complain about their neighborhood street, why they can't walk on it. Yeah. When it's a county road. Anyway, yeah, Purdue Purdue has no comments. Same comment from planning, just missing vacation. You're consistent. Heads are going to roll when I get back. Uh oh, I got some different ones. Um, okay. There is no regulated drain on this property. So that arm of Brandy Wine is not a regulated drain. That is its own waterway. There's no regulated drain. Okay. So in the front there, you're showing the easement as a 75 ft regulated drain. And on the plat it's showing 75 ft easement. There is no easement through there. Is that mislabeled on the GIS? And it it's not even on the GIS as a regulated drain. It just says arm of Brandy. There's nothing. That's what I Yeah, you need to find if it has the red line on it, then it's regulated drain, but there's no red line through that. So, okay. Um, also on your plat, um, differentiate between the floodway and the flood plane. Got um, and and not by color, right? That ain't going to happen when they do it, right? Uh, the flood plane statement is incorrect. It says it's all an X. Um, the 25 ft drainage easement along the, uh, east side of the properties there by the road. It'll probably clean up when you get

some of that regulated drain stuff out of there, but it's a little confusing of what that is and where it is, which kind of says easement off to the side and 25 ft in the middle. And usually we would just put 25 DE and then put that in your um in your key. Understand what I mean? So with all the different lines and things through there, it's almost like which is what and where is where. So, you understand where I'm coming from? I'm not saying the 25 right along the east side of those two lots to the north. Yeah, it's 6 feet from the six feet from the property corner. It's coming south from the north line. Do you want me to come over and show you? You see it? No, you don't. I was almost going to put the uh a comment on there that secondary was in an easement because it's it's hard to interpret. So up here at the top, well, you have it. I think the view is we have a 20 foot right away lined in there. We're going to adjust that to That's correct. Oh, drainage easement. That Yeah. No, that's the 75. And up here at the top, I thought there was a Yeah. See, on the one you have is not the same as the one we have. 8 in tile. 25. See, we have 25 with drainage easement. See, the one you have is not the same as one we have. Ours says drainage easement 25 has a 12 and a half on each side. Taking that off the one you gave us. Yeah, you've got some leaders. Where's your Okay. So, there's some cleanup to do on that one before plat committee. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Can you get us the most updated one? Yeah, I I'll have all these

changed and get you new copies. The a quick question, not necessarily on this one because these soil borings are done. Do you need those soil borings done and that field tile invert located prior to plaque committee? Um the the invert? Yes. Okay. Um the soils I I understand. And I know that I know that's what's going on there. Okay. So, I'd be okay with that as long as they're what scheduled. I don't. And then the same comment, the 8 inch tile, is it existing? The 8 in tile that's there. Okay. So, they'll either need to be installed or bonded. Okay. Along that front side before we record the black, they work. Don't push them. I tested them. Trust me. There just It's right there. Then they had me convinced that the SWAT team was going to show up and there was nothing they could do to stop him. So I stood there waiting. I'm like, I'll just tell them I pushed the button by accident. And the bullet the bullets fly before the questions. All right. Brad's back. Stop. All right. Highway needs a 40 foot half. You've already mentioned health invert. Health nothing. Yeah, I have nothing. Well, that the plans for I'm sorry didn't have any comments. I was just wondering if actually Sierra did it for me and she reviewed with she over told not your Sierra my Sierra and told me what her comments were. So very good. I let someone else do the work for me. I like her. Okay. But I mean is there something that you think I should be? I felt like everything was pretty a little bit of sarcasm. Okay. Yeah. I just thought I'd be easy on you. I didn't do a comment sheet, but on your site plan, you have their last name spelled wrong. Letters are just flipped around on Adelman. Oh, I mean Shaver. Yeah. Okay. We'll make sure that is Carrie Adam. [Applause] Carrie.

All right. I move that we approve based upon completed comments of planning surveyor highway. I didn't we were talking about something and mutual aid. Okay. Second. I have a motion to second. Those in favor respond I. I. Those against the same. Appreciate you guys. We'll see if Z Lucen Church can make it here after we do our new and old business. Otherwise, they can wait till next month. The We have a Kayla, you have a new employee. That's very exciting. Yes. New and qualified excellent professional planner, right? Yes. Maria, do you want to come up and introduce yourself? No. Hi everyone. I'm Maria. I'm the new assistant planner working with Kayla. And it's nice to meet all of you. Nice to meet you. Maria, welcome to the team. Where are you from? You from Shelbyville, right? I'm from Aorso, but I came from Shelbyville working there. You're working in And so you got a little bit shorter drive and she's a license planner as well. Uh she is working on her AICP. Oh, very. That's graduated from Ball State in 2024, last year. Well, congratulations on your graduation. look forward to you getting your lensure. So, thanks for joining our team. Thank you. Um, how's the UDO coming? It is in legal review. So, that's that's where we're at with it. Um, it is all coming together really nicely. Um, starting to kind of practice with it a little bit when we get scenarios that come through and I'm pretty pleased with the clarifications that we've been. So now it's just getting through all the legal ease and uh and making that part's good. It is a vastly different document than our current ordinance. It has a lot it's going to be organized in a way that makes sense um and incorporates a lot of um code updates that have been made at the state house and otherwise. So it will be a different document. It'll take

a little getting used to. Um the steering committee pointed out a lot of the things that they felt needed to travel through from the old ordinance to the new one. And at this point, we need to make sure everything is in a cohesive manner in this document that we can. We're excited about it, but it's we're getting down to that final mile now of pulling it through to passage. So on county properties, I have $50,000 set for the one ditch project and $300,000 set for the one up course. Yep. Sounds good. Those are loaded. Let me know if I need to encumber them. And then we'll have to have a conversation about which will come down the road about the one um for the tile that runs south uh out of Amplify eventually where they tie into that. So whether however that's going to work through Yes. Bucker Township asked for some help about the cemetery they have. So, that's more of a plan thing. I might send her your way at some point. Okay. At 500 West and 300 North. Okay. Your team helped me find $163,000 yesterday. That was good. They did. the people upstairs. Our friends upstairs as we call them. Our friends upstairs. That's awesome. Um, I sent someone to you per Dub. She lives Gosh, I I've tried to tell the story and I didn't write down her information. She she lives next to some rideway that was given in a plat in the '9s that we never developed and it's literally her sideyard but it's grayed out on Beacon and she wants to buy it because she mows it. So she like a vacation of right away. She need if she comes with me I can tell her to walk through that. She doesn't want to split it with her

neighbor. Well that that I do know how to do and we discussed that but she doesn't want to split it with her neighbor. Well she might not have a way forward without the neighbor agreeing to it. Okay. So, anything exciting public say how's the we're making some modifications to fire code at the state, aren't we? Is that coming through? Yeah. Um, so Indiana is updating their electrical code, fire code, and I believe plumbing. They can only update three per year per house bill. What? Um, the codes are done. They're just sitting at the state house waiting for the final approval. Once they get approved, they have to sit for six months before they can go into effect. So, but electrical and fire code are are done. It's based off the 2024 codes, right? Finally making a step ahead. So, okay. So, hopefully the UDO gets done soon. We're excited to see that done. Um, I don't have any other any steps on getting closer to doing these digitally, these plans. Got through our training with Civic Plus. Um, so we should be able to basically upload it all and share it with you guys. Now we are at that point. So we probably need to start doing that now as a way of maybe for the first month or so do both and then figure out where an excellent segue. We have roles of subdivision and development. We have tons of these roles of plans. Do you have tons of these roles of plans? Yes. So, who's going to keep all the I don't think we need to keep them in two different places. So, I have to keep them. So, in perpetuity. So, I'm thinking I'm going to have a bonfire with mine. That's fine. I I have a copy of them as long as we have ever had them. So, I have to keep them in perpetuity by state board of accounts.

Okay. And I'm going to give direction to some of my people to destroy. Why is the is it just construction plans you have to keep because the recorder has them all digitally like so a lot of the things I used to have to keep I don't because the recorder has them all available. I have to keep the construction plans and everything in hard copy. I'm not allow I can make digital copies but the digital copies I still have to have available hard copies. Okay. It is crazy because every year they we have these trainings of the things that you can get rid of whatever your things. Well, I run out of storage. I mean my right now they are. And in my office I have flat files, you know, piled all through my office. And so it's it's one of those things that every year they you know, okay, these people can get rid of these except for you guys. You you really got to keep everything. Well, I'm I'm about ready to have a purge. So Mike, when we get back, we'll let the young Miss Shiler know she can just toss all the log to put on the fire. They're all logs. We I know I get I they're sent to me all the time on Seward lots. The whole sub I'm like, why are you That's just a tree you cut down for no reason. Okay. You know, so the the important piece of information is Chad is keeping all these plants. So we're doing duplicate effort and we want to reduce duplicate effort. Okay. All right. Hey, can we turn Zion estates into sewers now since they're going to be sewers across the street? I'm not going to talk about I'm not going to talk about our last nitrate and 24D readings from a lot of ditches out in that area. Talk about that right now. So, yeah, because they're extending water also. Yeah, I wouldn't I wouldn't drink out of a well out there. Anyway, um anything else? We'll move Zion Lutheran onto our next meeting then. Yeah. If you do, I know for planning department anyway, speaking of old plans, um, our rule of thumb is if it gets annexed into another community, hand those plans over to them, they are no longer our responsibility to keep. I

heard enough from Chad. Chad's got them all. I got them. All right. If they've came through, I got them. Trust me, he's the gatekeeper. No reason for You ask me to go downstairs, look for them. That's why I got people in my office to put on the minor hat. There's no reason for us to duplicate that kind of effort in storage. Yeah, I I what is it what is the thing you do at the end of the year the state board of accounts form that tells you what you can throw away? What is that form? Because it says on there that if you have a duplicate if you have a digital copy the hard copy can be be but Chad has some different in my office it's not and all mine I'm not allowed because I went through that with all of our deductions. We had like from all the way back in the 70s hard copies of everyone's deduction. One day they'll modernize the survey code. Well, it's not it's not just that. It's a lot of different things, but we sit in those meetings and we sit with the auditors and the recorders and all them and they say, "Okay, this is for everybody except for you surveyors. You got to keep everything." Everybody else, we're going to go through I'm really sorry. It's an IA. That's it is it's where it's at. So, all right. Entertain a motion to adjourn the meeting or I'll make an order. All right. I'll second it. Split that up between those two. There you go. All those in favor respond. I I same. Thank you everybody. Have a wonderful day. You too. I will have a number of plans here probably in the next two weeks. Nice meeting you that will be signing off. So I probably seven or six. So yes. So some of them they're not big but most of them are I took off yesterday in April. He wasn't here. Two building wasn't here. our friend Doc Jones. Go back to what building two building plans for our friend Doc Jones. Yeah. So, you know the the building. This pin's a lie. It's already

corner. Your pin is a lie. We're meeting a little You know where we want to go. Wherever you want to go, Joe's going to buy. Well, I usually go to the depot. I think that sounds good to me. off of which off of 50 that was you on the south. Oh, I want to know where that came from. I guess I ate all these pieces and I guess one got through a blue roof building. I'm not going to Is that like the equivalent of many pieces? Well, he stood it up and there was one sitting right underneath him. Oh, it's a grass lot there. We're a little overt right now, but it's all right. But it's on sewers now. So it's good. Amplify combined with project is a little disleas. When are when are they not suing? I was going to say because they their attorneys been working with me and split like so many little problems. We're fixing them. It's so many problems. When are they never And then these and then Jack and sons. I'm working that with the mayor. Cut the house shows that supposed to be on the post as [ __ ] No, it's an abandoned house. Yeah. Okay. keeps up. That was the second one. He's got a little postage stamp spot where he's putting a little be interesting to enjoy it this weekend. between that white house and six west basically right at the entrance to

Ashton Acres the apartment he got foundation plans for that foundation but he didn't submit any building plans when we told somebody this is a bad idea is something we look at it first from the fiscal side then we then we expand and know where does it Is it going to be a net cost to the taxpayer that helicopters? Yeah. So bringing all because those projects need to be profitable to pay for parks and trails because those are not so and then like what you were saying too about does it pass the political support test or also will come out and say this is a terrible idea. Everything we do the community will come out. But the uh oh yeah later on down the road. That's cool. I don't know. We've got enough. You don't have to do it. I got a question for you. It's like at what point too do we take what happens later down the road and look back at well let's do a little bit of a autopsy here and see what how we get and what led you think this might be a good idea up to this point. How do we going to go circle back around and see is there something further back we change that signals something different petitioners frustrating school. You don't have to go to school. I just am the petitioners are going to come. I I had a lot I had a lot of comment because we have land utilities. I think bees I think bees they smell it bees now we don't have any park I just need to get wildlife compared to other you know a lot of birds sometimes we don't always feed them trail so it's not they just they like and I think they know I mean it's like a generational they know to go back for some reason and they don't like to make new I thought I was going to steal some for the that's not going to happen I clean my box up and put it back out there and like within two weeks my I thought they were still in the wax.

The states got tighter. I'm trying to peel money out there to buy it directly. No, they're living there all I don't give a [ __ ] You don't have any land to put into a bank. Japanese maple in her front yard. Yeah. And what's going on? I don't need I just need Is it Do you have my cell? Oh yeah, cuz you can send photos to your text. You should come to the next park board meeting. Number 317. I was gonna give you my email. 650. Yeah. Next Thursday. Oh, you're in here. Yeah. We're going to get a presentation slice and then you can just send me photos. What I really want to see is the park plan and the impact plan are both kind of wrapped at this point. So, we're getting some presentations and things like that. I might be thinking take a photo of the overall picture of the tree board meeting especially where the tree go is meeting the ground. I definitely want to see that. We're about halfway through paving another mile trail leaves. It's been there for 40 years. Does it have any like black edges? That's very normal. That's exciting. I love it. Tell anybody. I thought I was thinking cuz I read up on just a tiny bit and I was assuming that it was from pictures. You need to get tourism out there. It's in it's not it's in shade semi shade and now it's you know it's tall and that it's getting too much light cuz I read that that thing that could be 40 years and so so I was going to cut I was going to like Rachel walks down or something. I was going to cut out 10 below what the leaves are. Don't tell Mary you know so so that it' be underneath the gutter and then start growing again. are not getting maybe that's doing and make it look more understand

rules or something. Yeah, I'm not going to chop it. Okay, so you know, I wanted to make sure before I did that that is the problem. Yeah, let's find out what the problem is. Is it only doing the curling up there? No, the whole tree is I want to see it. Do I have signs out there saying what's been doing just last couple years? Or that maybe that's just close to a I would say talk to painful and surprising. She can make painful. Okay. Okay. Good deal. Thank you. There you go. I know you can send it by email, but I don't care. It just makes it worse. We'll send Lenny out there to take and then she'll flip out and then that fire will get put out afterwards.

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