Planning Board - Regular Meeting

You're welcome. Okay. Tonight's meeting is Pumpkin Lakes Planning Board for March 18, 2025. Following is the agenda for the meeting to be held in municipal building 25 Linux Avenue on March 18, 2025 beginning at 7:30. Formal written advance notice is required by NJSA 104-1 at SEC as a provider of this meeting at least 48 hours in advance of today given the time date and location and to the extent of the time the agenda of this meeting such notice stated action may or not may not be taken. The notice was one posted on the board outside the office of municipal clerk reserved for this and other similar announcements. two, provided to suburban trends, the newspaper designated by the burough council to receive such notices and three file with B clerk. Please stand for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Welcome home, astronauts. Yes, very hot stuff. Well done. That was cool. Okay, we're not having any local office because we did that last time. We have approval of bills for college engineering. Roll call. I'm sorry. Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, we'll call. Okay. Mr. Simone here. Mr. Otto here. Mr. Coast here. Mr. Dr. Pendexter here. Mr. Bulby here. Uh, Mayor Sarah will not be present. Uh, Councilwoman Gilbert here. Uh, Mr. BMA here. Mr.

Foster. Okay. Uh, Andy Brewer. And there will not be any engineer planners for this meeting tonight. Okay. Thank you. Uh, minutes regular meeting February 18, 2025. And you all had a chance to review it? Yes. So, what is your pleasure? Motion to approve. Second. Motion to approve and second. Did anyone have any comment or discussion on the minutes? [Music] That was trust. You got Yep. Okay. Okay. Please. Uh, Mr. Simone. Yes. Mr. Otto. Yes. Mr. Trro. Yes. Dr. Pender. Yes. Mr. Baldby. Yes. Uh, Councilwoman Kilberg, yes. Uh, Mr. Hudma, yes. Okay. Okay. Approval of bills. So, this is something new. Uh, we're being asked to um we have to take a vote on this of some kind or just a what are they looking for? Vote. A vote. Okay. So, College of Engineering and Design Professional Services. Yeah. Um I want to just make sure that that we know what project it's from. So um when you see a uh an invoice 25366. So this is for February's bills for 714 720 Hamburg term Pike which has not come to the board yet. And [Music] Uh 7:35 Hamburg turnpike engineers were reviewing documents and professional services. Okay. Now, here's my concern. We're being asked to approve a bill that was submitted on an application we haven't heard. So, we know nothing about what

they did or how they did it or for what reason. And yet, we have to approve it. I have to I need to see the bill. Yeah. I have a problem with that. Okay. You can't see a number. We got to see the actual bill. I I don't I'm preferring not to take a vote on that. And you can tell Mike that that's the problem. That's right. Members here. Oh, I don't think you'll have I don't think they'll have a problem at all. The idea of this is this is they the the engineers and me and the planners all are retained by you and do work for you. Yes. Somebody else cuts the check. So, they are not really revealing as you're desiring here. You want to see what was done. So the person that's writing the check really has to rely on you to say yes, that's legitimate work falls within within the scope of what they've obtained for. These are all coming out of escrow, not not the planning board is escrow for these accounts. Y all those things and they should be approved. That's completely legitimate. That's I think that's the goal here. And but you're absolutely right. You shouldn't I don't think any of you should be voting on approving a bill that you don't know what was done to. And in the past, it's been the chairman of of the board who has approved them. So it didn't look to nobody, but every every meeting con presented me with bills that I looked at. Y but then just they would like everybody to like do it as a whole to do it. Okay, I understand that. But obviously nobody should be voting on something. Well, this is new. So we'll get the procedures down and then for next month to wait a month because we'll have to have it. Um so okay, approval goes on hold. Perfect. Thanks, Bill, for being that. It's got your name on itself. Oh my god. You are on TV. Enjoy the laugh, people.

[Music] So there was a few added uh correspondence as the agenda had changed and I did um give you all copies of the uh ordinance that was included in tonight's agenda. Okay. So you have the memo from those grant from Riverdale. Those were all emailed to you. Those first three were emailed to you. the ones following it in your hands uh for their north pump and turn pipe redevelopment plan. Next one from Liz from Wayne for their ordinance for land redevelopment. Uh third one's letter from Bernick. That's a freshwater wetland permit with the sorry just are you going to continue on that just Yeah. Okay. the the West Lennox Avenue Bridge which is right down here by Max and the bridge at Hersfield are being replaced by the county and so they need the permitting to have that done and it's in design. I don't know if the U Hersfield is completed on design yet but that's supposed to go first and then this one will go second and the other way around. I'm sorry. I thought this one goes first. Well, Mike told me the other way around but whichever one it doesn't make a difference whatever one gets done first. They were both done around the same time, so they both need to be replaced. Did you have a comment you wanted to make about that, though? Yeah, it talks about um obviously this is getting a wetlands permit for them to do the the work right in along the river. Um but they also mentioned about having to bring in a minor amount of fill to uh for regrading to make the approach to the bridges uh smooth and so forth. And if we have the ability to uh require that they bring in certified clean fill, uh I'd prefer that we do that somehow. Um I know it's not a site remediation program uh project, but since this is town property, you don't want them bringing in anything from, I don't know, pumping planes

crossing or wherever or from some highway project down in Patterson or something like that. uh if if they can show that it's certified clean from the origin or sampling per D requirements to show that it's clean. I think that would be best interest of the we can send that recommendation to the administrator and then he can follow it up with the county. If you need help on that, just let me know. Okay. Um speaking of the chronic Oh, actually it's raining. What's going on with that landfill down there? The thing that the mountain gets higher and higher. Is that even legal? This lion has no opinion about that. I'm sure they're trying to close it. I think the trying to close them down. So So why can't they guess it's in the courts? I have no idea. And they can't put an injunction on that to stop from adding to it. It's got to be twice the size that it was in September. It was closed down for a while. for a while and now they have dozen 15 dump trucks parked there every night and and but with all of the regulations they they stop projects cold in our town here. I mean there's many times they've actually we have it stop being in the river when we were doing cleanup cuz the EP said so they can't force that. That's crazy. Well, they have if you go around the jug handle that comes out North Pton turnpike in 23 Mhm. If you go around that jug handle table of leaf piles right there next to the river. The the town dumps leaves there and stockpiles leaves. It's right next to the river. It's in the floodway. They're not being very good stewards. They can do whatever they want, I guess. Okay. I just was curious since you mentioned it. Another memo from those um amending the downtown

redevelopment plan 190-84. Another one from Liz Soy means 2512 authorizing tax exemption and payment in L of taxes in um in connection with the re redevelopment plan for block 2400 lot one and an assessment and of taxes for 61 QF. Another one from raising ordinance amending chapter 7 section 7:30 turns prohibited prohibiting left turns between 4 and 6 p.m. uh into the uh car wash on the left. And lastly uh an ordinance amending the specific penalty for the violation of parking prohibition no removal. That's a lot of resolutions ordinances rather guys been busy. Lisa, yes. [Music] Okay. There are no there's nothing on the agenda tonight in the way of applications. There's no conceptuals. No one has come back to do anything um as far as I know. So there new and unfinished visits. There's nothing also. So we'll have public discussion and then um uh comments by the board as well. So opening to the public session where there are no people so I'll close it right away and new I mean public discussion is over so our discussion you want to talk about the uh open space yeah I I as you know I'm now uh the leazison to the open space committee and I I met with Mike Shakatano who I understand is works with Karen Murphy on open space issues and Mike took me down to show me um the garage as they call it Hershe Park. Um, first time I'd ever been in that. I thought all the discussion that they they had at the open space was regarding the fieldhouse and not the garage. But, uh, anyway, to

sum things up, uh, they submitted two plans to D, uh, for renovation of the fieldhouse. Two of them have been turned down. Uh, they got recommendations back from D. So, they're revising their their plans. They're going to resubmit it and hopefully they'll get approved. Uh the only other thing was playground equipment which has been ordered and is 6 weeks out and when that comes in they'll they'll put it in it. Thank you. Okay. Lisa, did you have anything? No, not tonight. Nope. No. Fine. Sean. No. Okay. Uh the only I'll mention is I went to the council meeting uh last week. Uh they had the formal second reading of the um property on 61 Avenue, the old gas station and there was two parts to that. One is for the zoning variances and one is for the um pilot approval. Um if I'm mis misstating anything, just jump in. So the council considered both and they ended up approving both uh with one exception on the variances I believe. Um they had a lot of discussion about it. They u relied on the planning board's comments. We did bring up uh they did bring up and there was public comment on the issue of the uh studio apartment and um the applicant indicated they are very likely to get the extra parking places um from the county. So they probably will go with a higher number of homes or uh rentals and um it seems like um that that'll be ready to come to the planning board for its formal site plan. Uh this was a process because the redevelopment's involved or it goes redevelopment and then goes to the

council then it goes to the planning board then it goes back to the council and it comes back to the planning board and that's the end of it. Right. Hopefully. Hopefully except for permitting. So, there's a a lot has gone on and a lot to finish, but um uh the applicant was uh pleased with the council's decisions and uh Carly, we think we're going to see that next month or we don't know if they'll be ready. No, I haven't got anything yet. Okay. Now, maybe Andy could help with this. The There were several items listed that I call variances. Other people have different names for them. You know, one of them was the height, one of them was the the setbacks, front yard setback, sideyard setback, all that. You know, they were all listed and what we were told last month is this is an all or nothing deal. You know, when the council approves it, they're approving everything or, you know, like they can't pick and choose. Last night at another meeting that I was at, I was told by another council member and a former council member that what was approved at the council meeting was only the height and the no retail on the first floor. Everything else is still an open issue. I don't know about that. Well, from what I understand, it comes back to the planning board and then that's where you go through the other one. So, I think it was approved by the council. The only two that you that the planning board doesn't have anything to do with is the height and the no retail and the no retail. All the other ones you get to decide. So like if you decide that you know the setback isn't right, you can say no to that. But I think that's after our I will let me let me address up to the point where it came here in the ordinance. One of the goals of redevelopment and the redevelopment plan and I hate using that word because that's the redevelopment ordinance. We all know that the redevelopment ordinance for the

area provides that there's only limited ability for an applicant to seek variances. There are some but they're very limited. And what that does is that maintains control of redevelopment in the governing body. So the governing body sets that zoning redevelopment plan and any variations from it, this board really can't do much. they've they've maintained that authority uh and so if you want it to vary from it, it has you have to change the plan. So become a conforming application. So it went through the redevelopment agency and they looked at the plans that they want to submit and then they had the planner and their and the applicants planner and engineer go through and say, "Okay, if we submitted this site plan, we're going to need these seven variances and we can't get them. we have to change the plan so it becomes conforming. So they drafted an ordinance to amend the redevelopment plan to change those regulations. So it was a conforming application. That was the goal and the purpose. So this board will not be considering variances on any of those issues because it's now so that I didn't see what was actually passed. I don't know if they amended it. That was the goal. That was how it was drafted originally was to be that we did amend the redevelopment plan. That's what that ordinance is for. That's what it was for amended to make it a conforming opinion. Yes. So, but it does come back here just because the fire department has to look at all of that stuff comes from comes back to the site plan. Oh, yeah. You do your site plan functions. It has to come here for a site removal. And yes, safety. It always get safety, circulation, those things, because there's always stuff that isn't thought about. Oh, that's too close to the fence. There's no way that'll work. There's there's always those things. Yes. That that um the municipal land use law and the redevelopment laws always make it clear. They always have to come get some money from the board. Yes. And

we can't, for example, decide that four stories is too much. We want to allow three conforming application. And the only thing I think that could change is that right now they're they're hoping that they get those eight spots and they say that they should, but they can't give them something they don't have yet. You know, that the county project hasn't been built yet. So, you know, if something happens and they don't get those eight spots, they have to go down to I think it's in their plan just. It's preset though. You can do this without them. You can do this with them. So, whatever the decision there 17 or 23, something like that. Yeah, that's the difference. Yeah. And if they don't get the spots, the 23 is off the table. But again, we don't get to choose that. We get to do site plan stuff. How's the timing going to between the two projects? Will they be able to make that decision before the one's actually built? What two projects? Well, they're getting eight spots from the county. Yeah. They won't come. They won't come to this board until they know they have the aid from the county. Okay. If because it would be foolish for them to come and then have to amend it again. So they're going to work to get that submit. I would assume that' be the best time to submit the application once they know exactly what they're going to do. So once the application is received, we'll have a letter from Pay County with the parking. We'll have the plans that goes through callers, go through the review. So for anybody that's new, you will see I will send you the application. and you'll see all the all the um the fire department, the MUA, you'll see all those letters of what their decision is. Okay? And you'll see all that. So that's you know, so that's what the planning board's next step is. Only I'm just explaining it because I know she's, you know, she has never seen the application. It's good that we hash it all anyway because there's there's

defined responsibilities and neither the council or the development can cross ours and we can't cross theirs. So it has to be done in the succession that it was done and then ours is the final set whenever whenever we're done with it then that's that takes care of all of these things unless we have problems with something on our on our um hearing. So assuming that they've got no problems at that point, then that becomes fine. Yeah. Um that's your vote. But you'll see everything come through beforehand. One of the things I should note um for those that weren't at the meeting, it's interesting. Pilots work in a in a it's an odd thing. It's payment of taxes. So rather and this is also for guys as well. when when a pilot is is uh prepared, it's basically saying that well, we're not going to pay the regular taxes. We're going to pay this payment. It's fixed for whatever the pilot arrangement is. So, the number of years, the amount per year is put into like a like a mortgage, I guess, right? It's locked up. It's an agreement that um it has to be over 10% and few other rules, but yes, it's it's agreed upon amount for the length of time. It could be up to 30 years. So if if the project stay foul as it is right now, um the taxes are I think what they say six something $6,000 a year, something like that. And um it would be obviously worthless to the town as far as income. And if we did a there was a big discussion about 20-year pilot versus 30-year pilot. And the big discussion on that was which is better for the town and what comfort what comfort level does the council have between the 20 and the 30 year and there were some proponents of the 20 year and some proponents of the 30-year but they had a very good presentation by a member that they

brought in u you know who Phoenix and he did a really nice presentation about how that works and what it turns out to is by going with the 30-year pilot the total cost, the amount of money that the borrow is going to get is $2.5 million over those 30 years as compared to less than half that if it was 20 years. So it and of course next to nothing if nothing is done. So there was a there's an awful lot of um incentive in this particular project, small project, still a lot of money over 30 years, $2.5 million. It'll help a lot with our taxes. And that's why these larger buildings that are being built are so important. Whatever you can get approved under a pilot becomes a a value that the burrow takes advantage of. 100% of the taxes that we pay get split up by town, county, and school system, and a couple of the minor ones. So, of that, the bureau keeps about a quarter. It's a little bit more, I think, but it's about a quarter. It's like 25. No, it's 25%. 25%. So, out of $1,000 that you pay, $ 250 goes to the town, maybe 220 goes to the county, and then everything else goes to the school. So, out of $1,000, we spend $ 250 here. with the pilot and um the redevelopment process, we get 95% the borrow of that money and 5% goes to the county. So all of a sudden that money that we would have been getting 25% of, we now get 95% of the care you have to take is that you don't because you're taking money from the school and the county. You can't overload the school without some kind of dealing with that issue. So I think what would happen if it and most of these

projects we're proving are not high school level projects. It's been proven through many studies. Uh they're token amounts, right? The apartments that workers did a study in Chicago. Typically the the apartments that develop here don't generate a lot of school age kids. It's a rule. It's a it's not a hard and fast. It's a general rule. Statistically they don't based on studies. Yes. Of of real life of real. Yeah. after the fact. So, what it comes down to is the extra money that we're going to keep is not something we're taking from the school because they still get their full share of the base. You know, the school gets paid first before anything else, right? It's that what this does, what a pilot does is put the revenue that comes into the town goes into the town's bank account. Doesn't have to go to the school. It's kind of segregated out, but the school still submits a bill and gets paid. It's just if you had 1,000 um pieces of property, all pay taxes and the normal ordinary taxes and you have them one pile. So, you have 999. Now, what happens is the tax assessments to the school comes up with a bill and you have to assess properties in order to pay all your bills. that's going to get paid by 99 the assessments on 999 pieces of property not the one that is exempt that's going to pay some cash that goes into a separate account so as long as in Phoenix advisors is I I've worked with them before in other towns they're very good at looking at things like this so you look at your school system and look at cost that might be generated study being one other ones you look at all right their school system if it's going to be it's going to be for you know kids from uh grade 1 to six we but and talk to the school system. Now, we have all of our, you know, one through six schools still have five seats. So, you're not you're not going to be creating another need for another teacher, for another class. There's no real cost there. They go through that

analysis to make sure that what you're getting that goes into the separate account is at or above any additional cost that would be imposed upon the town by this development. That's that's really the break even. You want to make sure Phoenix is very they're very good at doing that analysis. That's that's the analysis in a nutshell that you should do for for a and I would assume that if if they're looking at a say 20 year versus 30 year the town from their perspective they would look at yes obviously right now the taxes are six grand or whatever but over a 10year period 20 years in the future what would that tax revenue be and still try to make it as favorable for the town as opposed to leaving you know a very large chunk of money in potential taxes. Yeah, you make assumptions on what's going to go up at what rate. That that is part of it. Yeah, absolutely. It's a very interesting way of helping the brows and towns to u have the extra money in the town to help with the taxes cuz we're getting mail by the state, by the federal government, by the county, by the school and our own. And so it's a way of helping to maintain a little more stability. And as long as you don't go crazy with things, it's good. Um, the other thing I note that is, uh, there's a lot of, um, multi- word this properly, many people houses in town. And those many peopleled houses produce more kids than these apartments do. So you may find that a typical 30 years ago a typical one family home got two kids maybe had three and um now you find out that that one family home may have six or seven kids because there's more than one family living there. So I think you see more impact on the school

system from that unknown than we do on something that's known like this because that never gets picked up. It's almost like having a multif family house in a single family zone. So, I think that does more uh impact the school, but these things do. Any questions? I mean, this is just good for understanding how things are going. Um, we have two pilots that are in effect right now. Three, I think, right? Several. We have um the one side. We have one car 25 monarchy which is about a firehouse and then we have the one that's in progress with um uh the big project and then there's another one in effect yet right Hamburg. There's one on Hamburg. Oh yeah on Hamburg. That's right one. Yeah that's a small one. Right. So those are all actually working towards helping 525 doesn't have a plan. I don't think 525 has a I thought it was. Yes. The one by the firehouse. I think that Yes. Yeah. Yeah, they did. That was cuz the the point about that it wasn't a complete rebuild. So, you have to take into account the improvements that are put in with the Yes. Lol. Any any other questions about that process? I'll ask a dumb question that maybe There are no dumb questions people, but um it it seems like the 30-year pilot has a lot more money than the the 20-year pilot, and it seems like that's kind of a no-brainer for the town. It's also a no-brainer that we would want to have more money coming into the town than not, which is why we look for these pilot type programs. The only question is um if it's so clear that you get so much more money with the 30-year than with the 20-year, then what is the argument for the shorter term? Is it

just timing of the cash flow? Is it just getting in quicker? Um I'm wondering if you have any information on that. I think it's just preference, right? Like I mean pilots were not designed um as benefits to municipalities on their cash flow. That is a byproduct of it. what they are. So I'm going to get like a big like 50,000 view of them. Um there's this understanding, you know, properties get run down, they need to be redeveloped or, you know, lots of different words we have for it. It's because the regular zoning isn't working. And so that's why redevelopment exists. And you can kind of negotiate, you can change the zoning, you can do things, sometimes that doesn't even help. So what the legislature did is create fin you know financial agreements or payment rule of taxes which allows you to give financial a financial assistance to a property by changing the tax structure. So that's what it is. So it's it it is a it is designed to to as another tool to offer downtrodden properties to to to get to make them more appealing to a redeveloper. Exactly. they so be you know just changing the zoning is enough because there's some other financial hold that this property has. That's what it's designed for and just changes the tax structure. So it's no longer taxes. It is this agreed upon amount that you do and the relative benefit over 10, 15, 30 years is is mostly a function of negotiating what it's going to be and taking into account. All right, 30 years from now, the normal taxes would be X as opposed to 20 years. It'll be something less than that. The difference that they're paying by assuming that the the rents are going to go up 2% a year. It kind of grows at the end. There's just a there are a lot of variables. It's really just negotiate because you can um there is a you have the way you set the end of the service charge is it has to be a minimum of 10% of the revenue that

you bring in. It can be 11, it can be 28%. Essentially you have to negotiate what you know the amount that this that they'll still invest by paying a certain percentage of their annual gross revenue. And the the reason it is more beneficial for years 20 or 30 is because that's the the numbers that Phoenix said this project can afford that. So let's ch let's let's charge them 14% or 13% in those years. I didn't see the agreement, but that's what it is. It's a a byproduct of negotiating a good deal at the end of the at the end of the the last last 10 years. Okay. It also sets a fixed amount. So they know at the at the project that this is going to be their expense. There's no much to sell. It's much easier to sell. And so you basically have you basically have a fixed payment like the mortgage would be where every month is going to be this amount of money. It's predetermined. And the town also has a fixed amount of money coming in. So it kind of makes life a little easier all around. there is a financial incentive to the project owner to get the pilot and there's a an incentive for the borrow to give the pilot. So it it kind of helps as the attorney said it it kind of makes the project doable where you know without that it may never get done. I and I wish we could get a few more buildings in this town to go through this. We have some very dilapidated buildings that are from the firefighters perspective that are very risky and u I wish there was a way we could do something with them but you know we're not the property owners. I think a lot of times the 20 versus the 30 is that um people need financing for this. So, if they're going to finance the entire project and they're going to go for a loan for $6 million from the bank, the bank isn't really going to give them the loan unless they have a 30-year pilot cuz that's when their mortgage will be paid off in 30 years.

Mhm. Okay. So, it's a it's timing matching. It's a Yes. It's complex, but it works and it generally works to favor both parties and um you know, we're taking advantage of it and hope hope it'll continue. There are other people that are interested in doing things. The um Washington building which is on the corner of Wanuku Avenue and um Kfax, it's a beige brick building. Uh it's an old old building. It's uh probably 100 years old. Um that one is going to have a project, but that's not going to be a pilot, right? The guy's going to rebuild. They're going to put a floor up above. They're going to reframe inside to support it and they're going to fix it up and it's going to look a whole lot nicer. That'll help that corner and then the opposite side of the street from the ice cream station down to Laur. There's another property owner that's looking to bring a project to uh to the town that will replace all of those buildings with some additional uh redevelopment work. And I think there was another one that was kind of like debating. And then we had the one that hit work which was the big one that um would have been as you come down Kfax to the T intersection straight ahead of you. Uh that would have been a project with that 11tory uh building. The 15 is first. Yeah. That's that's moved. That's that's off the table. So, just so you know too, I at another meeting that I was at last night, it was discussed that the owner of the Krowers, yes, is looking to put a second floor on top of that building. Well, that's what's waiting to come to the board.

What was that? Well, that's what's on the agenda. second story on it years ago. Uh he wants to put like 10 apartments up there or something just just across because where that alley separates they're two separate arms. Okay. Two separate owners. So only on the half that's the half. So not all the way from the pizza place to the corner where the auto part store is Ronnie Lucas. Okay. He's never going to do anything with They should work out a deal. They should. Yep. Here's another problem area where, you know, it's illegal to have that kind of parking. Now, you know, having direct access to a main road like that from every parking stall is frowned upon tremendously. The telephone pole sticking out the parking garage there, too, as well. Well, I don't know how they're going to build at $60,000 a spot. The um the whole thing is they bring they bring part for consideration and it gets bounced around and if it's a redevelopment project it gets bounced around more. So we wait and see what comes and then we get our turn. If I were to ask another question, how many you you mentioned a bunch, how many uh concurrent projects are going on uh right now in the in the downtown What do you mean concurrence projects? How many are gone concurrently? Yes. Just one vaccine under construction. That's it. Well, there's two. There's two. There's the old CGM building. Oh, right. I forgot CG it's forget about 10 years. There's two. I think that that also in the redevelopment, like you like to see it happen fast, but

think about when all of these projects start ending all at the same time. That's going to be a big chunk of money that the burrow doesn't have anymore. It's going to all go away almost all at the same time. Yeah. So, you're getting 95% of something, right? So, if you're Oh, you mean in 30 years, whatever. Wow. But then that's your tax though. It's not like they don't Yes. But it's still not going to be as much cuz then you'll only get 25% of that. Yes. So it's not So those people 30 years from now have to be thinking, right? Y'all be in the senior housing. No, you'll be the chairman here. Thanks. Hey, you know, anytime. I'm just waiting for the right one to say. I think I'm going to be sick tonight. Thanks. I'm glad you can smile on this board at least. Okay, we vote tonight. Yes. Everybody's got that was good answers. All right. Can I get a motion to please? Motion second. All in favor? Hi everybody. Tim [Music] second wasn't