City Council - Regular Meeting

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still Dan, you don't know how exciting it is to see you. Okay, it is 6:01 and I'd like to call the joint work session meeting with the city council and the McMumba water and light meeting to order. I'd like to call in John Deetsz, general manager for water and light to introduce the topic and to present.

Okay, is Flatty is going to bring that up? Next slide. So there's a agenda for us. Uh our strategic plan, our facility project update and property view property in that area. Um so we actually uh this is actually I guess our four third third year. We'll be coming into our fourth year on our strategic plan. Um I think we've accomplished quite a bit of that plan. So as you can see we started that process in 2022. Uh adopted in commission adopted in 2023. Next slide please. And these are um our core values. Community resiliency, people uh fiscal responsibility, safety and environmental impact. And those are woven into our strategic plan and that flows into our budgeting as well and our staff as well. Thanks. So, our priorities uh are organizational focus, resources, and infrastructure. Can talk a little bit about that. There's quite a bit going on as far as infrastructure, stakeholder relationships, and emergency preparedness. We've done quite a bit of work on that topic really starting in 2008 and continuing on. Next slide.

So items we've completed in our strategic plan. Um done quite a bit of training, secession planning. Uh we've done I think a really good job in that area. We've got a lot of skilled workers and workforce and then we've also focused on our staff especially supervisor training and workforce training areas that we continue to work on process improvement and career pathways for our employees both new and existing. Let's go, Claudia.

So, as part of our strategic plan, uh, one of the items that we had in there, which is a big item, is our main facility. Uh, we completed an integrated resource plan, which is planning for the electric system and where we're going to get our electrical resources over the next 20 years. So commission just adopted or just uh approved the contract with BPA to take us to 2044. Uh and currently what we have is what we call two resources. We have tier one, tier two. Tier two it will be for our future load growth. Tier 2 is another product that is much more expensive than the tier one resource that we have. The tier one resource is essentially tied to the current federal system which is 31 hydro or 30 31 projects which also include Columbia generating which is the nuclear plant at Hanford and uh those resources will start acquiring those resources probably next year once they determine everyone's what they call high watermark which is their the individual utilities essentially slice of the tier one system. That's pretty much the system today. The other big item is our facility master plan. We completed that. Was that 2023 and or 2024? And we are working on essentially phase 0.5, phase one and portions of phase two and phase three. In this first project, the estimated cost of our first phase or what we're working on today is about $30 million is the all-in cost. Construction costs are about 25 million. Um, so that all-in cost would include architectural

permits, engineering, all the other software called soft cost. Um, so and then the other item is our long-term plan. We have a number of acquisitions for property that we're looking at. We have two future substation sites, one out off of Highway 47, one off Highway 18 future water treatment site. And then we're also looking at acquiring property around the Fox Ridge Reservoir site and any future or any additional property in our current wershed. So, we're also looking at that as a as a future expansion of our wershed. And next slide, Claudia. So, again, here's what we completed on the left. Uh, our framework with the city, our website we rebuilt, and our communications plan. And our communications plan is something that we do every year. So, we're updating that every year as thing as as things change, especially in our industry. Electric is very volatile. A lot of things happening all the time and so we want to be on top of that. Ongoing items, uh, meetings with the city, semiannual updates, which we're having right now, and then regular stakeholder engagement. So, we do we do meet quarterly with Cascade Steel, our largest customer. They represent about 45% of our electric uh load, if you will, or almost half of what we sell within the city of in the in our service territory. They're a very large load. Uh and then any other potential partners that we will look at. We do do quite a bit with the school district. We haven't met the new school superintendent yet. That will be forthcoming. Next slide.

Emergency preparedness. This is al obviously a big category for us. Um, we've done our emergency response plan. We've updated our website wildfire plan, which we're required by state law to update every year. We've updated our coupe plan, our continuity of operations plan, crisis communications plan, and part of that we just commission just approved the purchase of what we call a transmission digger Derek truck. So, a large truck that we can use to replace our transmission poles, which can be up to 85 feet in length, weigh about 7,000 pounds. So, that gives us additional reach for acquiring or up installing those bolts. And then the other thing with that is on our in our industry as standards change transformer weights are physically getting heavier and which means that we have to continually update our equipment to make sure that we can lift that equip those those transformers and other equipments. For example, the crew just set a 10,000 lb vault with it the other day, which means that they basically with the current equipment we have, they had to be right on top of that to lift it. So, this will give us additional capacity. Um, and then of course some of the things that we are working on, we've got a water master plan that we just completed an update on, uh, updated to our electric system study that'll be in 27. And then our ongoing training with the ICS system, tabletop exercises, uh, we did do one, I think, in 24 with county, so we'll probably plan for another one here the near future. And next slide, Claudia. So the um building where we're at today. So the current facility we're in was constructed in 1988.

At that time we had 60 employees. Today we have 67. Uh we had about 5,000 water customers and about 8,000 electric customers. Today we have over 12,000 water customers and 18,000 electric customers. So the facility has served Water Light very well, but we've essentially outgrown that. So what we're looking at is about 12,000 to 13,000 I think feet of additional office space and about 20,000 square feet of additional warehouse space in this expansion. Next slide. The other key to this was uh we are upgrading the facility to a category 4 seismic rating. So that is why you see the 0.5 that is actually the warehouse seismic upgrade which will be done. Part of the reason we moved the warehouse expansion into phase one or 0.5 was that will give us the ability to also use that building as part of the seismic upgrade because we can use that expansion to help retrofit and stabilize the existing building. So that was why we did that. Um but you can see a number of deficiencies in there and security. Yeah. So, next slide, Claudia. And this is the renderings we have right now. So, the front part of the building will be the commission room and then behind that will be customer service and additional offices. And then on the back side will be another expansion which will be for the engineering department. So, they will all move into that part of the building when we're complete. Uh, right now we have obtained a what we call a swing space. So, we'll be we'll be moving out of this facility uh by the

end of April. So, that construction in June. Uh that facility is over off of uh across from St. James. So, we have it under lease right now and the county is currently leasing the facility and their plan is to be moved out by March 15. Next slide. And that's just the schedule. So we're getting real close to June. You can see we actually just um completed a design development meeting today looking at costs. So we were working on right sizing the cost. So next slide and then I guess moving to MWL property. Next one. So this is a current map of our facility. You can see our facility is the current facility is 18.03 acres. Um, Waterlike also owns the Miller property which is east of our facility. There's also a 5 acre parcel that is owned by Water Light just south of that parcel and then Waterlife owns the 61.36 acre parcel. Uh but the city has a lease with water and light for 22 a little over 22 acres of that parcel that was done in 2002. And so I know there's been a conversation on acquiring the Miller property and we have an agreement right now that I think expires in December. December.

So and you can also see that we have our our water line runs through that property. That's a 24 inch water line. So yes, that's it. Any questions?

Okay. Question. Oh, councelor Chennowith.

Of course I have a question. So, I assume in your two master well your master plans and your electric upgrade, we're taking steps to uh make sure we're going to have all of the necessary infrastructure and availability of power and water for southwest area plan and McMin landings that in that process. So, the sub one of the substations we're building is actually out out at McMinnville Landing. Okay. So there's um not enough capacity to serve that out there right now. So that's that's a priority for us. So last year the commission actually purchased the transformer for that substation. So that's a $2 million purchase just for that one piece of equipment. Our estimated cost is somewhere between 10 and 12 million to build that substation. Uh the water line out there is already a 24 inch. 24 inch actually runs right in front of that property. So, it's an easy tap to get water that site. The other parcel, the southwest side, uh we built the Gormley substation on that side back in 2010. So, we actually have capacity to serve coming back from the south up to the to the southwest area. And we already have water over there as well. Just it's in the road essentially. So, it's it's an easy pretty easy simple tap for us. The big one is the substation out on the southwest side.

What's the time frame on the substation on south? Well, it really just depends on when we get the we're we're working on appraisal right now for that, but as soon as we have that, we'll start the design. So, I'm thinking probably design probably next year or the following year and then construction will probably fall the following year. 29ish 29 to 30 somewhere there. Yeah. Thank you. Any other questions? Well, if you think of some later in the week, we can still ask them then. Okay. Thank you, John. Appreciate it.

So, now we're going to move on to Adam Garvin, interim city manager to introduce the topic of the city.

Thank you, mayor. Uh this evening we have an update on council's uh goals for this year as well as where we're at in the CPR bond process. Some of this will look familiar to council. Um but wanted to make sure that the commission was fully informed. This is a photo I pulled that shows collaboration between water and light and city where we have a linear park along a a power easement. So just thought it was a good picture to show for joint session. It's this is a photo from our uh August 28th council goal setting session. Out of that came five new goals for this fiscal year. A realistic work plan for long range planning was goal number one. We had a work session on that in December and we aligned uh through work with uh Heather and Jeff around how those work plans were going to be laid out. Uh Jeff did just get the TSP launched out for uh the RFP process and our next big project to launch after that would be a downtown master plan. uh currently in the work plan slated for the end of Q2, but the natural resources discussion uh is coming back to council and so that might get pushed a little bit in the beginning of Q3 uh just depending on kind of workflow. And the main thing of that process was to make sure that we're checking things off before we start new things. And so that's where we're at

right now is tying up things that were 80% complete before we start taking on new things. um implement consistent customer service hours across the city. That was something um I was tasked with kind of my first couple days in the office here and uh did some research with the executive team as well reach out to other cities and counties and landed on a proposal for that uh around November 1st I believe off the top of my head and then we implemented that Jan one. So the city hours are for customerf facing counters are Monday through Thursday 7:30 a.m. to 5:30 p.m. So people can come before work or come after work if needed. But gets us that consistent hours across customer facing counters before we had one office open 12 to 5 was closed on Wednesdays and city hall was closed on Fridays. So, just wanted to make sure everybody knew how they can engage the city if they wanted. Um, reviewed recruitment strategies and guidelines for committees. Back in November, we had a work session around all committees and looked at if they're meeting at the right cadence, if they're meeting too often and they didn't have many agenda items, if meetings were being cancelled, as well as the composition of some of those. And then the scope of work we had at our last council meeting on the 10th February, we uh wrapped up our last committee which was the DI committee on what council was looking for out of that committee and realigning that vision. Uh also at that 10th meeting we had a session around park uh and recreation SDC's for non-residential uses. So, commercial and industrial that will be back before council likely the beginning of April or

somewhere around there. Um, and then goal number five is build a new pool and community center. Um, which will be the second part of this uh work session from the city perspective. and I'll walk you guys through kind of how we got to where we're at and where we're at today, as well as uh talk about that Miller Street property that Waterl currently owns that we have under purchase sale agreement uh through I believe the middle of December of this year. So, and paths forward on that, we could also revisit the 60 plus acres John just talked about. Next slide. So, um, these were the questions that we went through with city council back in January. Uh, renovation versus replacement, right sizing the ask. Initially, when uh the MacPack group came together, they envisioned about $150 million project. When it went to the ballot, it was at 98.5 million. Um the work session council seemed to have an appetite for a sub 80 million project. How far sub of 80 million is to be decided still? But that seemed to be where the appetite started for council on a going back out to the ballot. Um additional information that's needed. We do have an appraisal underway on the community center. So that was one of the questions was what is the value of that building? what are we going to do with it after we vacate it from a restoration standpoint? Um, we have that underway. We should have that answered back within the next 30 days. Uh, the mayor has also reached out to Redmond, Oregon scheduling a visit on their new facility at the beginning of April. Um myself and

some park and rec staff are going to go along with the electives that choose to go to u kind of explore that and see how that square footage looks for programming and if it's the right fit for Menville. Um there's also some other facilities the mayor's going to tour. I believe Newbridge Shah Valley and Lake Oiggo's facility. Um bond timeline during the work session we proposed in May of 26 if it was a drop everything scenario and council was unified around a very minimal modified approach that wasn't the conversation of that meeting. Um, so right now we're pursuing a November of 26 uh lens right now with the potential of May of 27 depending on how much information council wants to have and how those that information comes back from consultants and architects and designers and things like that. Um, and then the purchase timeline for the Macar Miller Street property, I brought that up in this work session. Um, that was the one thing council was unified around on was if we could pursue a path with water and light to find a way to purchase that and and make that our our site for this project. um whether that's a successful bond or or not. Council was um for the most part there's one counselor that was in favor of that. But um moving forward with purchasing that and exercising that purchase sale agreement. Um and then what to do with the current building that's replaced the the pool property is has a park covenant on it. So that's not a property that could be sold. Doesn't mean that we couldn't repurpose it for something else. Um, but the community center does have

that ability to be sold. Uh, it also has some historic pieces to it. So, you know, depending on what that appraisal comes back at, the deferred maintenance it needs, which we'll get into here in a little bit kind of determines what what you next slide. So, this came about from our November 4th vote. Uh that was a 98 $98 half million ask. Uh 55,000 foot pool and recck center on that Miller Street property that had uh 72 and a half million for that 4 and a half was uh in the bond package was slated for property acquisition, 50 million for construction, architecture, engineering and site development and it had a pretty hefty contingency fund of $18 million. Uh, additionally in that lawn, you have the four and a half million for senior center, four and a half for library, 9 million for parks, which was 9 million pulled out of the parks and open space master plan. About three and a half of that number is redoing of Dragon Park, which is the wood play structure at Upper City Park that was put in in the mid 90s. Um, and then it had six million for outdoor recreation. That's a new facility. So that could have been turf fields, pickle ball, you name it, anything outdoor activity wise could have been included in that. And then they set aside two million to address whatever council decided to do what the old school said, but there wasn't any direction on what that 2 million would go to for that was leveling it, making a parking lot, or repurposing it for some other use. That's what the 98.5 million bond was going to do. That failed by 13 votes after recount. Next slide.

So, the aquatic center is a pretty old facility uh built in the mid50s, renovated in 1986. It's a 28,000 foot facility. In 2019, there was some stuff done to it. And to get these numbers, we added that uh construction cost increase since then to uh the end of 25, which was at 25.8%. Currently, there's a little over $2 million in it for maintenance. Uh replacement would reflect a new modern aquatic facility. Um and the cost ranges there. renovation with that cost escalator on there would be between 25 and 27.4 or replacement would be in the low30s. Next slide. Community center is even older than the pool. Uh originally 1924 and renovated in 1980. It's a 55,000t facility. the same size as that new dualpurpose facility, but there's a lot of programming issues with how the facility's designed and the wall structure and the egress and things like that. Um, so even though we'd be going down in total square footage, we'd have a lot more efficient and repurposed square footage that we could have in a modern facility. uh identified as a key multi-use facility in the 2019 master plan. Currently has over $3.5 million in deferred maintenance. We did as of last Friday just have an elevator go live in there though that's been broken for a while. So that's a a win for that facility and we'll see some usage go up in that. The reason for the investment in that and doing some investment in the deferred

maintenance is even if a bond passed in November, we're still likely five years out from being able to utilize that facility with, you know, all the design and site development, all those things. And so if we weren't to touch these buildings for another five years, you're not going to have an operating facility uh if you just continue to let them deteriorate. And it's about protecting our asset. Uh right now all these estimates that you see up here for replacement versus renovation are really just planning level and you know they're not final bids or have architecture program into them. Next slide. So this bar graph showing the same thing as far as replacement versus renovation. Just another way to to look at it. The blue is the the low number and the the red's the the high side on that. Next slide. And this is why uh they pushed replacement versus renovation since 19. I know that there is some appetite on council to also look at renovation numbers or challenge uh these numbers as well and that will be part of this process before coming back to a vote. But this is the data that I have today to have this conversation. Next slide. Which brings us to the Miller property. Uh this is a property that went under a purchase and sale agreement 23. Um, oh, I guess that's right there. 12,84. Uh, the purchase price in that is 3.8

and it allows for acquisition by December of 26 is a close date on that. The timeline was to provide flexibility, due diligence, and alignment on future funding and financing strategies. Obviously, we had a failed bond vote. One way to approach that is to go back out for a bond in November and if it doesn't pass, don't purchase the property. Council's desire would be to purchase the property regardless if a November bond was successful. And that brings us to a conversation this evening if there was any appetite from water and light to pursue different options outside of an outright purchase in one check. You can do

you want to talk about that? We can talk about that. Okay. We have done that in the past. Um actually we purchased the property I believe was is that the Wagman property Sam flood plane

waterman property is what was purchased in the mid 90s. Yeah. is that 60 acre parcel that includes the 20 acreish lease. That's the what we call the water. There's the the original Joe Dancer property was purchased earlier. Uh it was purchased by water light in the 1980s. It was almost a re re almost immediately transferred to the city. So it was sort of a financial transaction where water funded the initial purchase and then uh the city almost immediately bought it from waterline. Um,

so maybe Connie, could you go back to the slide that had the property that with the property lines on it in the water light presentation? If not, you can. I'm good with what I have. Yeah, I'm good with what I have. Okay. My next question. Oh, okay. We're there. Yeah.

Are you able to go back? No, I have to I'd have to take this one down and move the other one. You won't take this one down. be slide 15.

It's just not pulling up on this screen, but on my While we're waiting for that, is there any questions around what was presented by John or I? One quick meeting.

You have questions? I have no questions. No questions. Wow.

You want to go ahead and start the conversation? See the picture? Why don't we do that?

So, from the from the slide, so Water Light actually owns four parcels in that area. the Miller property which is actually a total of about 26 acres that actually goes down to the river and then we have our existing site which is about 18 acres and there's about two and a half acres on that site that's on the north side that we're actually not utilizing right now. We do have plans down the road to probably you utilize that piece. Um, and then we have the little 5 acre piece that is just below the Miller property and then the 61 acre piece that encompasses the uphill side up to the public works side and up to the water light property. So there's those four pieces and then you have the lease that water light signed with the city back in 2002 that essentially gave the city control over the 22 acres that are encompassed in Jodancer Park and that includes the road that comes that's the extension of Marsh Lane that goes to Brooks ties the two together that was the reason that was done in 2002 was for essentially that that tie to the so you had multiple exits out of the park, which you only had one when the park was originally built. So, so, um, what we've talked about somewhat is looking at, we're almost there. Um, splitting that 61 acre parcel and basically putting the 22 acres in red, moving that to the the larger Joe Dancer and also having the city acquire the remainder of the parcel on the east side

to the river so that it makes it continuous to the river. And then the city would also look at acquiring the 5 acre parcel which then gives the Miller property access to the park because it doesn't have access other than look.

So basically you want the city to own everything on one side of Marsh Lane and Water and Light own everything on the other side of Marsh. And then what waterline is looking at long term and we haven't really talked much about this is potentially at some point when public works moves is a waterline acquiring the public works site portion of that. And the reason we're looking at that is for future expansion of that substation because that substation there is actually the substation that serves basically the city from BPA with the exception of the Cascade Steel 230K tap which is the one that serves the arts. So basically that is the main substation that comes into town and water light owns a portion of that site and then BPA owns the other portion which is kind of an L there goes I think to fifth street and the Lshape and then the lower east southeast corner of that is owned by water line. So that was kind of the longterm thought process there. So that would be something for the commission to think about what get their you know opinion on that

and there was some discussion about how that might happen or not or just are we talking about whether we want to consider it and then talk about well possibilities. I think for from a council perspective, I would like to know if you guys are amable to exploring that opportunity. The next step would be to get an appraised value of things this side of Marsh Lane that you know aren't familiar property. Uh and so we know what numbers we're working with. And then from there would be structuring a field that works with the city's current resources as well as a nice timeline on reimbursement.

And I think from the commission's perspective, it would be are you comfortable selling those parcels to the city and then having some financial arrangement with the city where it may be paid back over time. Gotcha. So purchasing those parcels would allow continue continuity basically on that side. So if we ever as a city are to build something on that property um we also have the ability to do a path all the way from the new facility down to Joe Dancer on city property versus water and light property which is appealing. So I would also say where the water line is currently

the blue right the blue water line correct there is actually access to the river from there there's a flat there's a flat spot right there um that's why the water line is actually there in that spot because that water line was bored actually drilled under the river so um we would obviously want an easement and access to get to that in the future as part of any deal that we would It's actually a fairly large flat area right there. It's in the flood plane, but it's it is flat and that's why. And is that in the five acres? No, it's in the 26. It's in the 26. Okay. You see where the blue line right on the corner there?

It's there's kind of a brown spot right there where the blue line crosses on 26 down lower. That's the flat spot right there. There's actually a a road that goes down there. How much is the 26 acres? Uh I think there's about 14 acres that's available. Yeah, that's that's the current Miller the Miller site on there sale agreement. It's at 25.93 acres of almost all of that land is flood pl obviously but the other portion.

Yes. Yes. The uphill part on the small parcel is not in the flood plane. But as you go down, as you can see the little the little lines that are crossing there, those are contours. And I think those are five foot contours. So you can see the elevation change on that parcel. I think it's something to consider, but I I think a map that would be able to be read it a little bit better would be um I mean I have this one too, but just to kind of there's still a lot of lines and a lot of green to be able to see it would be helpful. But

I would like to explore this. I I think it makes good sense for for us to to look at this and you know appraisal numbers are going to be important. How we can finance it is going to be important. But I I think it makes good sense. I'm also curious to know was it their land on this side that you that Macwater and Light is also interested in? That's the public works. That's the public works site that they will be interested in. Yes. Yeah. That's where the the BPA and the water light substation are up by that neon green Chris in the northwest corner that's the website

that's the old way behind there and then do you have any long-term vision for the across from Joe Dancer that hillside? Uh yes. Um there's a couple flat spots there that we would probably expand. are we could expand our expand our yard into. Okay.

And then the other thing we're looking at as part of our building expansion, there's a requirement which you'll find out is there's a one and a half% requirement for green energy in any public building. So we're looking at actually putting solar panels on that slope below the building. Okay. So any other council chime in here? Oh, no. I think this looks looks great. Thank you to explore. I really appreciate you bringing this to us and look forward to collaborating with this going forward.

Yeah, I have a question. Um the part that's like what I would call pink or whatever that Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's leased by us. So So the the city paid us a essentially I think it was an appraised value for that property at the time. So I would be looking at as something that they've already paid for. So you're really what you're really focused on is the five acres and the little I think it's about 12 acres along the river. So So it's the 12 acres in the blood plane and then that other five acres. Yes. Yeah. That's the difference. And probably three acres of that 5.32 is not plant, right? Yeah, it's but it's pretty steep.

Yeah. And do we have anybody here? Maybe Jeff. Um, kind of a stupid question, but I assume you can build boat ramps and stuff in a flood plane. Like, I mean, could you use it as a you have to go through a much more sizable environmental analysis than you used to, but you can, but it's not as easy it used to be, but yeah, you can build it. I guess as long as I'm on the question, the spot where we used to have one that it's been abandoned. Um, I assume that that can never be used again even though it's already been cited. Well, yeah, you could use the spot. You're probably just going to have to do the full environmental assessment again

because it's not really in use at this time. And so I think we're a little past just maintenance. Yeah, slightly. But so madam, no matter what, if we wanted to launch along there, we'd need to do an environmental assessment. So, so I think from my perspective is the commission interested in exploring this as well. Would it be possible to get verification on that? Oh, thank you. Planning department that we're really going to need it if it's on the old ramp site about that, but I'm pretty sure that's the requirements of the new rules from the Can you tie up on that? Just make sure. Yeah, please. Thank you.

Uh, councelor Gary, you have a question? Uh, no, no question. I just wanted to add my uh support for moving forward with a way to transact these properties in a mutually beneficial way for both groups. All right. Thank you. So, I think my question would be for the commission. Are you comfortable with us exploring this as well? Thank you, Baker. Yes.

Yes. with the I have a thing of never selling property that borders my property because that seems crazy. Um but in this case I I see the relationship and I and I guess as long as you know being new fairly new here you know our long-term plans does is there any any potential in the future because there would be nowhere to right to expand but if if we look at that and I mean I see I see that public works space in that area is would be really nicely tied. So, I think I think it could be definitely a win-win if if you put all that together,

right? And that's why I was thinking retaining the uphill side of that 61 acre parcel because there is a pretty nice area on the up right on that probably two acres right there that we could use as well. And then the other area on the other side below public works, there's a pretty nice probably three to five acre spot right there that's pretty flat, too. Is there a way to tie? I mean, could you drive from one to the other? Uh, you can now. You just have to drive across the property. Yeah, but I mean if if you own both of them, you could create a way to Yeah, actually the property.

Actually, right now there is a gate that's not used between our facility and the public works facility right now. So, it already exists. That's great. And John, how many acres is is the empty lot on Riverside? It's about two and a half. So, there's that space to expand, too. Yeah, that's buildable.

Yeah, that's it's nice. It's flat. We're actually looking at as we go through our uh facility plan. Original plan was to put the maintenance building expansion just below that site, but we may actually move it onto that site just because it makes flow of materials and storage of materials easier and it doesn't interfere with them. That's why I want to keep it kind of as a like a reserve for for future. Commissioner Johnson, are you in favor of exploring?

Definitely. Um, and I think it makes a lot lot of sense to try to eventually acquire the public works property. Uh, my long-term thought on that site is that we would actually um, as loads grow and things grow that that substation would grow from a 115 115,000 volt transmission substation to a 230,000 volt time. So, it's a perfect fit for expanding that to the substation to the east. It sounds like you have all of our blessings to at least explore it and bring something back.

Any other question? I didn't get you to answer. Are you good with that, Dan? Absolutely. Okay. I have a question.

We don't do public comment. We don't have public comment at a work session, but you can certainly email it in and we'll be happy to answer it or give it to us after. Okay. Sorry. Thank you though for understanding. Anything else from the commission or the council? Do you have anything else you for tonight? That was that was our agenda. So again, anything else last time? Wow, we didn't even make it an hour. It's 6:49. Thank you.