Fiscal Court Committees - Regular Meeting

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the meeting. Uh today is a budget discussion only, a special called meeting. Uh as most of you know the process, but I will go over the process for those that uh are not familiar with it. Uh the bud- the budget is uh prepared by the judge. Um he goes over it over there's a several month period there where the uh department heads bring their budgets to the judge and then the judge puts together his budget and then he presents it uh to the fiscal court. This was presented on April the 27th uh up to this point to my knowledge no magistrates have had any input as far as the the budget goes. So, today is the magistrates' day to review the budget. And um my goal is to this when this day is over, however long it takes that we'll have a have the issues that we [clears throat] have concerns over resolved. Uh and then Lisa will take those items and uh build the budget based on that. And it will [clears throat] be brought for the first reading May the 12th this year, the next fiscal court meeting. So, with that we'll begin and uh every one of you, I guess, have your Do you have your your budget appropriations documents in front of you? Okay. I will only missing one match, it looks like. I've heard from all the magistrates at some point on questions or issues, whatever, except I think one magistrate has not uh asked any questions. I don't know if he's asked any questions of uh a place or not, but I understand Lacy's also had some calls, so uh those questions we hope to get resolved today. And so, we're starting at 5001-101. That's the county judge executive. That's the very first first page if everybody on the

appropriations wants to go to that page. That'll be page 12 of the 60. And all the salary issues will be the last item we talk about. We're going to go through everything else. Try to go through resolve any issues on those, and then at the very end, we'll discuss the the salaries. And the very first part part of page 12 is this the salaries. Uh so, we'll start with uh 5001-167, which is a position. Uh salary change on a position. Uh when I say we're going to address the salaries, I'm talking about the overall salaries for all of the employees. So, does anyone have a question about change there? What are you on? I'm sorry. 167?

-167. That's the judge executive office clerk salary. Is that That's the one we've been talking about in committee? Right. [clears throat] I say we leave it where it was at. Okay, at 35,674. What about you, Ms. Waters? I agree. I expressed that earlier at a committee meeting and my and I remain thoughts remain the same. We should leave it as is. [clears throat]

Mr. Meek. Leave it as is. 35,674. We're talking about leaving it the same. Right. No, I understand that but We're talking about changing what's on here. We have to We know there's going to be a difference at the end. No grade increase.

Grade increase. No grade increase cuz this is different from what is in the fair name. Okay, go down to Picking up at 5 441. Um office equipment. That's been reduced. Any issues there, I would guess? Office supplies been reduced. Reimbursement uh has been reduced. Office staff reim- reimbursement has been reduced. The judge conference training has been reduced. Office staff training has been reduced. Rentals the same. Telephone we have no control over. Uh miscellaneous for the judge is the same as it was last year. What's the difference between like a miscellaneous account and the reimbursement account? Just out of curiosity. Okay, so the miscellaneous account or reimbursement is the what we reimburse to an employee. So if I write a check to you for your mileage or your hotel, it has to be there. Miscellaneous is just something we purchase that doesn't fall in within those categories. And DLG caps that at $1,000. So, if you notice as we go through the budget, everybody's miscellaneous is at $1,000. Okay. That's how they control that we just don't throw everything in a miscellaneous account. Thank you, Lisa. Uh next will be 101 the county attorney salary. Uh that was reduced.

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And the next item is an item we need to talk about because in talking with the county attorney, that position of 45,213, she feels can be paid out of the opioid phase one money. I think you were Lisa, you were working with the Jenny Webb. Well, well, that's an that's an item she brought to my attention. So, add that to the list. I was going to ask about that, but that was not one of the questions I asked. What I asked was Do you think that I asked about this is her actual staff? I know. Okay. She says it could

clarify. Right. Okay. Next page.

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Any items on the county attorney's list that anybody has any issues with? Well, the security officer going from 43 to 56. That's what she requested. So, I'm assuming she gave them a raise. It's my understanding it has something to do with the judge I mean with the sheriff's department raises. That that that increased too. I have She did not comment on that. To me about that. Do you have any idea judge why on that? I didn't ask to talk with her on it. I didn't ask her about that specific item. But it is the sheriff's office. Mhm. security Yeah, I I noticed that too. It's a pretty big jump there and I was curious also what

consistent with what we're doing. 13 to 33 increase. Yeah. I don't know. I was curious what what was going on with that. So. Well, since we don't It wasn't a choir I guess the budget was built it wasn't inquired about. So, unless you all want to do anything with it today or we want to I'll allow it. be another question. I'll make a note to come back to it. I'm going to get a hold of John. I know he's had a procedure done. I'll get a hold of John or Terry find out. I can I can follow up John if that's what you want us to do. Yeah. Okay. Right, I had a question about the um item 179 there at the top. The part-time secretaries. secretaries Is that is that new? Because there's there's nothing in the in the budget.

for last year. It was split off. We've always had a part-time person. But when we were trying to calculate the retirement, we were always having to back that off. So, we decided to split it to make it simpler because they don't get retirement. So, that's that's why. Always before it was part of her other uh her 165. So, we just pulled that out. Okay. That's that's a benefits based decision.

Right, it was just it's because when you're calculating everybody uh the salary has to be in there but then the ones [clears throat] that don't have retirement that are part-time, it's easier just to pull them out. So, I decided to pull them out this year. Yes. Thanks for that. That's for one person. Clarification, thank you. Okay. Anything else down through those line items? Uh coroner salary. Currently, he's not getting the training incentive.

No, I'm talking I'm talking about on the county attorney. Oh, I'm sorry. Everything else down through there? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just jumped in here. There's some uh quite a bit of reduction. So, the contract with private agency went from 70 to 50. So, there's some significant changes in her budget there. Just to be just a note. Law enforcement remained the same. The sheriff uh coroner salary. We won't address that. We will talk about the item that you talked about there, Chris, next. Yeah, we'll get there. It's You're talking about adding the coroner uh giving him training incentives. Okay, he's the only elected official that currently does not have it. Correct. Yeah. All right. Yeah, the 212. 212? No. Just not in there. It's not in there. Okay, but I have data. So, Lisa, did you want to explain why that's not in there? Well, it's not a statutory amount for them to get that training. So, that would be a choice. Do you want the training? How much was it? It's 3700 or something. For training?

Training incentive. 5000 incentive. That's the most. Yes, the the four-year term. He would start at We'd assume that he would start at the higher tier because He's been He's been going to But he has participated in the program, so would he start at the top? I probably would not start at the No No surprise. We have That's what we'd have to determine. Like what the tier criteria you would have because you all are under a What would we do for you? What would we do for you? I did 40 hours in a year. But we started you off at 50 this year.

[clears throat] Cuz I had been going for years.

And he had been, too. So I say we start him off at the same top tier. Same tier. Okay. He's been doing the training all along, hasn't he? He's not getting any incentive. Well, I understand he's been actual instructor. for the training. Yeah. So. It seems only right. Well, I mean, he's also part of the association as far as in their elected Yeah. So if I hear it That amount is 5446, but that is triggered with the CPI. So if there's a CPI given to the elected officials, it would be added to that as well. Just make sure you got questions on it. No. You good with it or not? Yes. Yes, I'm good with it. Yes. Yes. Okay. Do you have an approximate amount here? Roughly 5400 currently. 5400. I would assume the building repairs went down. Right, I think if I'm not mistaken the building repairs they went down because of the cooler stuff, right? They had [clears throat] to do that. That's what I understand. Then the equipment decreased. Here cuz when they we got some grants and stuff. We got the power load. We did. Last year. Line 901 Wait, 441 Chris Okay. That the power load That we got from Mark.

Okay, Mark saying Awesome. Um Okay. We're going to hold the discussion between us and you. Okay, page 15.

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Most of that is the utilities down to Of course miscellaneous again we get down to quarters miscellaneous 599. The magistrate salaries stayed the same and I know the last quarter for the the next year's quarter that will be CPI added. I've already added in the system. It this was all printed out before. So it's already So this figure will change. Correct, it's already changed. Okay. Increase in the salary, increase in [clears throat] the social security, increase in the on the such And to be clear, that's for the next court, not for this court. Clerk didn't change. Next page 16. Magistrates and uh training incentive went up incrementally because we obviously had more people get more hours in the

[clears throat] What was the CPL? Is that That's the CPL. That's it. Probably And next item, magistrates reimbursement, 24705. So, we don't use or haven't used What what percentage have we used this time so far? 566

I think we've used just about half. Keep Keep I'm sorry. 566 566 That's 566. We've used 15.something percent of it. So, how much is in the conference and training? Which one? 566 Is that How much we used? We've still got um Is it 1440?

700% Is that We've got that summer conference in in June. So, all that's going to be added. That's pretty Used 72% of that conference. But next year, won't there If there's new magistrates, don't you have more training? I think you're going to have Yes, Scott, in January and February. Well, you'll have more in November. You'll have a whole another training for the newly elected officials training that will be added and that's in my No, they choose the conferences instead of the training. I don't think we should do anything like that now and I think we'll I think it's pretty much on target. We just haven't used all of it yet. We've used 15% of one and we've got two months. 70% of the money. This is This is not showing a percentage that is not right. You are magistrates.

[clears throat] We've got a big conference coming up but probably going to have a whole lot of additional training in that and we've got another training coming on for training and I mean We got 20,000 [clears throat] available still. 3,200 available. $20,000. 15.71% Reimbursement is just the mileage, right? Yeah. That can be for a hotel.

This is for next year. Yeah, this is for next year. Yeah. Well, several of you magistrates other magistrates are using online too. We're not incurring expensive hotels and all that so it's not That's another reason too.

I've been going to two conferences a year, not four but but two and the rest of my training I've been doing online. So and I think I think all of us are probably pretty much following the same thing but what I experienced just a couple of weeks ago is the hotel fees are going up and um that hit pretty hard this last in June. It it went up significant significantly. Since we have how many new magistrates and make sure they're going to they should be going to a lot of the trainings anyway. So, I mean there's a potential

say that they are, that they would. I know my first year I went to probably at least three, maybe four. Uh but probably so. You know, for new newly elected. Yeah. When newly elected I I expect them to go. Uh that they'll want to go. I think they'll want to go to probably all of them. understand what's going on and they learn the first year. After that it starts getting a little bit competitive. It does. And so and there's some good things I always learn. I always learn one thing. But also I'm learning along the way, too. So, there's some really good online stuff.

Mhm. So, I think we it's indicative we've saved some money here by doing it this year. So, getting back to the the line item Do we leave it the same or reduce it? I don't see us using $41,400. No. If we do then we're going a little excessive. Cut it in half, 13.5? That's what I was thinking. But you know, hold us accountable the same way we're holding everybody else. I think we've been conservative with it and and and that's why we haven't used as as much and and um I wouldn't imagine that if we did have new magistrates, they wouldn't be just as conservative as we have been. So, you want to cut it? I'm okay with that. What about you, Ms. Muse? I don't mind cutting it. I guess I'm wondering for whatever reason if it goes over, is that a trouble to amend it? Have to pull it from another account. Well, that happens every

budget amendment. Yeah. You're all supposed to do it, right? You would You did, yeah. It's just a It'd be a budget amendment. on this thing. How much are you looking at at cutting it? I said 13 5, so that's a but it's a suggestion. Again, I mean, I know it's a little different, but we've only used We've got 20,822 available and 32,904 available. So, we still got $24,000 available between those two accounts. Mhm. Have all of you gotten your 40 hours so far? Yes. Yes. I have not. I've still got about 12 to go. [snorts] Well, 40 for this year, yes. Next year, Well, that's what I'm talking about next year.

Yeah. I mean, I got my 40 for this year, yeah. But next year, that's what we're working on. Right now, we're working on next year right now. We're not working on this year. If there is an issue What is it? 13 10? We only use 15%. Yes. 16. conference in June. I want Kevin, you're going to the conference in June. Not me. I'm going to June. Yeah, I'm going to

Kenny. Kenny's going in June. So, probably maybe three of us. Fred's not going. So, we're still We're still below Wait, well below. Okay, 13 5 or what are the number? 13 5. I'm good with 13 5. If you want to do that. Yeah, I'm good. So, that is the 569 number, correct? Correct. So, 566. 566. 566 to 13 5. [clears throat] Okay, conference and trains the same. I would just carpool anyway, save money. [clears throat]

Yeah. Okay, the Treasurer's Office, that goes down to salaries. We're going down past that. Lisa 413, never It's just the name, it's the same thing. You look at the name, it's a program. If you add anything or change anything to the name, it is two lines. Okay. So, that's the same. It's the rate for salaries in the Treasurer's Office. It is rate two minutes, so. Yeah, that will be on uh number 106 and 169. But, we're addressing all that at the end, right? Okay. So, we're going to wait and talk about those at the end. Yeah. On page 17. Anybody have any item on that list? I'm assuming it's election uh election officers. That's All right, election election It's like 20,000 Didn't Brian say the cost of it went up, what they got to pay? He's paying them more and He always tries to have another budget something there. Yeah. He's supporting a lot, you know, as the last election, all those places that you can go. That's what, 15 or 16 different locations. It costs them money to do that. No, he had a big crowd here yesterday and last night training, so. Yeah. I see he's doubled advertising, but that's That's election year. He you get people out there and vote?

It's because of the election year. It's in the retirement system. There is one that's in place of John cuz he's running for office. So, there's one in there that's in the retirement system. Cuz it's taxable. Really? Correct. It's added in. He gets paid through his regular paycheck, right? Not a separate check. He gets a separate check from the office. Oh, he does get a separate check. But when you're in the retirement system Yeah. and you're taxed Okay. all the rest of it's pretty. I didn't have any issues but just want to just make sure that that that $20,000 is because of election year that'll go down. Um next fiscal. Well, 574 down there is for the administrative training too. So, it's a new item 5,000. Did he ask for that? Yes, it is. All right, page 18. On um on 107 the communications officer It's I I didn't know that it was under that different department. That wasn't changed, was it? Has it always been under that department? Okay. Well, it was a part-time position so that's why it was

Okay. So, but it's always been been in that department. Okay. Thank you. It's now full-time so it's a different situation. Mhm. On the salary, yeah. Scanning on down as we go. Uh industrial foundation stayed the same. CarDA stayed the same. Looks like we switched the West Point contribution from West Point to Fort Duffield. Now we're going to get into some small items, looks like. Uh And I I just need to understand from my standpoint. Get down to 5076507017, the community sport uh support senior meals. We've always had that at 5,000. Why did we raise it $250? I mean And the reason I bring that up is that if we start raising incrementally some of these things, then it's just going to maybe there's a snowball in effect. So, we've been consistent at 5,000. Why are we going to start increasing it? I think it was just uh request because of inflation, but I I didn't really question it. It wasn't that much money, so I didn't get into the details of it, I guess, is my only explanation. So, I'd say we just keep it to five. Keep it to five? I agree. Yes. Awesome. Yes, sir. Yes. Okay, reduce that back to five.

179 is because of the most recent resolution that where we changed Yes. Where we switched the part-time to Yeah. That was the Is that the No, there was a there was a budget impact on that. Now, I thought it was a thousand dollars when I was listening.

That's what I have this marked to question to question the difference there. I didn't realize it was and that Which one is different. 179 That's that's salaries. Not only the thousand That is That's the salaries Not only the That's yeah, that's more than one position. So currently I have listed they are the like the increases from everything. So that's why we So that's bundled all together.

Okay. Okay. I see. Okay. Thank you. Uh-huh. I don't I don't know. I'm sorry. All right. The balance of what you had anyway. H and IT There's There's a couple things that I have questions on here. And I think I I don't think it's the way it's going, but obviously by our 333 I can explain some of that. That and then the 315 Trying to see where 315 went, but still there. On the 31 333 So it's 333 that I think Lisa is correct me if I'm wrong, but that's where you combine the like you have the uh fire alarm services, Scott fire services, E-town exterminating, you have some buildings downtown and you got buildings here, so she has pulled that all together in one instead of all these different things cuz it's all it's a bundle of services like E-town exterminating and things for the buildings. Is that right? That's correct. It's just that when we had the 333 for years for exterminating at the old buildings downtown, that's been moved away, so we didn't need that modifier anymore. So, we just moved that up to the 333. So, if you look, that's the same amount from the 333 to the 333 alone. Okay. And then the 315, we just did away with. No, 315 is maintenance services. The one right above it. The one The one right above it. That's contract with private agencies. We're not doing that anymore.

Not that one. Yeah. It doesn't look like it went anywhere else, so

the case, I probably unless it's connected to something else, I'll probably move it to a 315. Cuz if we don't need a modifier on this one, I'll check that out this week. That's good. That's kind of odd. So, you didn't move it to 315 002? Unless there's a reason and when I look at how it's connected to something else history purposes, Okay. then I'll have to check that. Yeah. And there was 0% used. Yeah. From 315. The line item 334, that was reduced to 28,000. They didn't pay the prior year. Maybe maybe three years or something. Anyway, we got added last year, so Okay. What's the vehicle maintenance 340? Like what is it? Went up 1,200. That's something that you're anticipating? Get an extra vehicle or anything?

with or We got an extra vehicle last year for a replacement, and they're still sitting just Sure we're covered on on maintenance and tires and stuff like that, so. Even on the new one, tires all Tell me go through this one. All right. So, 25% Mhm. 464 line. 600. So, is that thing 548, I think it kind of goes under the 722. And special projects 10,000. Should be in this line. And I'm I'm assuming you moved it from 742, which is on page 20.

[clears throat] I want to go back to that vehicle maintenance real quick. I was just That's your question.

Right. So, the 548, he had put that in a 700 line for a small project, and I had moved it to the 548. Trying to get away from the 700 numbers. Okay. I don't have a I don't have it marked of what the project is in my notes. I can find that out if you need me to. I'd like to know. Is that projects like Some of it's annual. Putting up the divider wall and stuff like that in your office and things. Like, come out of that? Uh well, that didn't all go out of industrial. Right. But, if it's something, yes, then So, there's no identified project. I'm not aware of one. He may have something in mind, but but things come along through the year that, you know, he needs funds to be able to accommodate such. But, I'd have to ask him what they would start projects. Is there not anything there in that in that line item for last last budget cycle though? Well, 742 We haven't used any of it. We transferred out 9,500. Transferred out. So, there was 10,000 742 last year.

[cough] And I'm trying to get away from the 700 line. So, I just said Okay, so you can ask. But There's nothing in this budget. 742 All right. [cough]

So, you still want me to ask about that? I'd be curious to know what projects are planned if if they have that information. But you can get back with me on or with us on that. So, that is the 548, correct? Um Yes, 548. So, but looking at this year's current one, 9,500 is transferred out. Obviously, it doesn't say exactly where it went, but I mean, if we're not using it for special projects, can we at least cut that in half or something? Some of them are used for projects come up during the year and that 9,500 One thing we were looking at was animal control and I'm not sure whether you animal control or came out buildings and grounds. Um So, we can look at all that. Uh the 9,500 I think is uh for this year is for some doors. thing. Repairs? Well, it's

Is it for the front doors? For the the the front door where the wind uh we talked of it. That's going in this year. We we went through some projects cuz we had money in that line and he's going to fix I think that's what it's going to be this year's project, not the It's going to be in this year's, but it's affects what's been That's why some of the budget transferred. Are we talking about a wall to block the wind? Is that what we're talking

No, that they said aesthetically and that that would not work. He's talked to the the original architects and engineers and they're what they're looking at doing is moving the uh sliding doors, adding them to the side. So, that cuz right now when you block those sliding doors, there is no handicap access into the building. Right. So, what we're going to do is add sliding doors to that and it was It was a different solution to the problem that Right. it was going to be cheaper and it would uh solve the problem.

Right. And the architects and engineers all agreed they thought that that would be the best solution. Sounds reasonable. Yeah. Sounds pretty good. That's the issue. Um yeah. [clears throat] And for for handicap accessibility And we solved that. Yeah, cuz we don't have that. when we shut those doors. Okay. Oh, there's John. Put up a rail, okay. Well, we don't we don't need to bother department heads if we don't have to in this.

Yeah. Uh We can get more information. Put up a rail so people won't walk into the glass now. I've been so used to walking in. Based I'm good with the explanation. Okay. Uh I'm unless somebody else is I'm good with what what Bonnie has just explained. So. I'm good with that, too. How about you give me that? You good? Chris, you good with Okay. Uh that remains the same. Fred, sorry. I wanted to go back up to that 5085-340, our vehicle maintenance. Okay. We've only used $400 of the 1800 and it's going to 3000. We haven't even used anywhere near the 1800. I don't see any reason to jump it to 3000. So, I think we should keep it at 18. Okay. Any other thoughts? I'll go with it. I'm good with that. Good. Okay, that's everything. So, that is the 314 314 Okay, now back to page 20. I did not have any items on that page. Anyone else? I didn't have any items on that page. I'm good. Yeah. I'm good with that page, yeah. Page 20. Page 21?

So, 314 Is that the L Tech contract? Is that the difference between the salary from 129? The 80,000. Or is that what's remaining? Yes. Are we going to Which item are you talking about? I was talking about 314, the contract with government agencies. It's the difference between the L Tech contract and the GIS coordinator salary. Is this in the the total Is this is what What's left over? Explain this one if you can. Um Judge. Yeah. Um So, this would be what would be left on the contract.

Yeah. Okay. And uh And then the 129, the GIS salary, would be picking up with a salary person after this money is gone. So, I'm speaking out loud now. If that's what's left and we haven't we could save all the retirement and everything else from not having that, then that'd be something we should consider. Once again, it's a full-time position. Y'all mark it down to where it's not full-time. It's a full-time position. So, that's why it's put back in at starting from October forward. What we did, Lisa? Yes, ma'am. Yes, it was. So, again, it's it's the same, I guess, discussion of whether this is a full-time or part-time position or not. Uh I've budgeted as a full-time after this contract is over starting October. That's why the why you see that those numbers there that way. So, the question would be whether or not you want to fund the uh 129 line. I mean, you don't wish to fund the 129 line. My My position is still going to stay the same. I feel like I know that's probably where we see differently, but I do think that we've been saving money there. We're transferring over another 26,000. So, we haven't used it all. So, and and I feel personally think some of the stuff that we have sent over maybe hasn't been best use of it either, but at the end of the day, we're we're looking for ways to save money. It's not been used. It hasn't been there for basically a whole year. I don't see the point of refilling it. Well, I think without rehashing all the reasons why, I just agree with that statement.

That you know, we really only got about 4 months into the contract where we were um you know, focused on utilizing this GIS person contract person, you know, what the way that they should be used with without uh putting all the work onto our engineer. So, um you know, it's I think it's a little bit early really to to make that assessment that this is somehow has become a part-time position. So, Well, then we We used L tap for engineering services on top of that. So, that was part of that contract. So, we used them for GIS engineering services. Then you add the responsibilities of the road department to the the engineer. If you didn't have to do that, that's less work the engineer would have to do. I know that's more operational stuff, but I I just don't I'm not sure that I think that that is the best use of funds for adding that if we can sub it out, get the quality the same quality work, if not better probably. We don't have [cough] to train people to do it. But regardless, my position is I don't necessarily see funding that myself. So, So, the issue is whether or not we're going to fund 129 GIS coordinator salary. Mr. Muse, what's your thoughts on that? I was going to say probably same before. It's a permanent position. I believe that we should be filling the position versus contracting it out. Okay. That's why Uh my position remains the same. You know, number one, if we're if we're not going to fund it, we need to we need to do something with the position. Eliminate it. If we're going to fund it, we need to keep it. So, and there's the issue. When to vote. We all know how that played out. When I voted, I voted to keep it. So.

My I haven't changed. My opinion hasn't changed on that. So. No. Not funded. Not funded. Fund it. [cough] Aaron's not funded. I'm in I'm I'm in the position to upgrade as far as [cough] funded. I can agree with what uh Benson said. I think what what we're doing is working. And um things change going down the road, we can always make a change.

Bring back. I mean You're going to take it you're going to recommend taking it out? That's the what [snorts] the consensus I see that's here. Still. Right. Then I think we need to increase the contract one to fill a contract. Right. Yes. I agree. But we have to have less fully expenses and Your rates go up and more money for the annual year. But if we don't use it. And also, we didn't have the engineering tech. And so, that that was savings through the year. So, it looks like it and currently still don't have anybody for that. And we were using them for technically both positions. So, again, from my perspective, you've got a $100,000 right there. And our contract was less than that,

[clears throat] not including the employees expenses. If we're using them for both engineering and GIS, just don't understand why we We're not using them for the engineering tech, is it? Is it GIS? Yeah, I understand that. Okay, we have to contract out for that. So, when we did our L-Tech contract, when we used L-Tech contract, we did not just use them for GIS, which was the point of the GIS position.

what Nick was doing at the time. We did it for We used them for what that position was used for. There wasn't any other duties, according to the job description. Use Nick for that, and L-Tech was okay with that. engineering services, which is also in that contract, which we did use them for, with 1,900 plus road studies.

Road studies. That was kind of a little excessive. But, again, we we used them for more than just that. Well, the issue here is whether or not we're going to The consensus was not to fund it. So, that's what we're going to do. All right. As far as what the magistrates budgets what the magistrates request of adjustment to be made. So, we'll talk about that later today. That's I think this is an important part of our organization. Judge, you built your budget, sir, with all due respect, and now it's our time to to make our suggestions on the budget. Okay, fair enough. So, are we going to How much more are we going to add to the 314 line? How much have we used? That's my question, too.

What have we used? We'd have to go back and look, cuz they have an automatic CPI increase every year, too. So, you'd have to go back and look what that contract Right now, we've used since July 19,325 dollars. Since July? And we had [clears throat] transferred in 60,000. Since March, July. So, you used one fourth of them. I mean, we actually didn't start to use it until December. Really got into January. So. Well, I thought I started in November. The contract did, but Yeah, we didn't actually start using it. The 19,000 was for

if we needed to make an adjustment, we could do it. Budget amendment budget amendment or transferred in from some other agency came in. If we need it. It would have to come from another line, but that would Yep. Okay. So, then we really don't have to do anything on this line right now. We can do it at a later date if we need it. I would feel better if we at least did the contract amount for that than the 26,000. Well, I mean, it's it's just

I mean, I It's a dollar figure. If we don't use it, we don't use it. The only thing about it, I want to make sure if just because it's in there, we we don't use it. We can We're trying to hold hold down costs, and if if it's not there, it's not the temptation to go get a something done that maybe duplication of what's been done in the past or or what have you. I'm just trying to hold the line on expenses. What I'm my point. I'm on that. I would recommend though that we could could maybe move it to uh 30 and and try to hold it there. That's very conservative. Contract with agencies? Mhm. But currently

I'm looking at 314. Currently, we've only used 19,225. Yeah, but but that but I'm looking at a whole fiscal year. I know. I'm I'm saying we didn't start that until later in the year. But a whole fiscal you know, the entire fiscal year I I think it ought to be increased a little bit, but and but very conservatively. I'm thinking 30. 30,000. If we do 30, that should be quite adequate.

that ought to be I'm fine with We can hold that reasonably without just throwing this and this and this into, you know, the contract. In my opinion. That's what I'm hearing. Any questions on 30? 314 Take out 129 Take that out. Okay. Okay.

Contract services 39901 8500 What does that entail? It's the same every year. Did we spend anything last time? What number was it again? 39901 001 We spent 572994. Engineering contract services. Is that what you mean? Yeah. 67 50 67%

67% Okay. As of March. Okay. All right. And the um 545 I understand is software. Is that correct? Or GIS mapping

mapping. Software? Yes, for the whole heart count. Okay. Everybody uses it. 3569 Yeah, that's about where I'm at right now. Cut that in half. Yeah, I mean, we're only used 21%. Got 5000 still available. So, we can cut that in half and be still fine. 3325 Yep. I'm good with it. I'm good with that. Yes. Yeah. Yes. All right. 569 cut to 3325. Page 22. So, uh I have a question on page 22. There's three telephones uh for engineering. Is one of those for a GIS? Which line are you talking about? Uh you got 573-002, 573-003, and 005. I have to confirm. It could be the assistant government phone or it's a laptop. I have to get all that verified. It's for the use of So, uh I would for the office. Well, if if one is for a GIS coordinator, I would suggest to cut that one. If that's possible. Since we're not going to fund that project.

Well, but is that a cell phone? I'm thinking it is. I don't know. Cuz I see a office I see 001 as a office number. Right. But I got to figure out what the 002 and 003 is. Right. And 005. And my 5 is the That's It's like a What's a my phone? That's my Oh. Okay. So, there's only two So, there's just two numbers. Two phone cell phones. Okay. I just I just was checking to see if We try to keep each phone on its own line. So, my first gut feeling is it's one person's. But I don't know. Take It is. Take one of those. Yeah.

So. So, I will get that. Okay. Okay. Anything else on page 22? Um yeah, we're we'll be coming back to 107. Okay. [clears throat]

All right. 103 I'm assuming the um 318 is the first due. Yes. Yes, it is. Okay. I just have a question. Uh what is 398003 under emergency management? Is that a TV? Subject to me. Cable bill? No. It's at the bottom of the page.

398 Cable box. [clears throat]

management building building TV connection It is. This is for the emergency center. No. Mhm. [clears throat] 16,000 18% Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah, but I guess insurance gone up. So, 535 going back, our insurance premiums went up 58,000. So. That is for the fire departments. Yeah. And I don't even have the a quote a quote for the upcoming year. I did I think it was a 10% increase. Just it was a guess to make what I will have that year. It just stood out that, you know, a high number increase, so it is a high number. I think this reflects a 18% increase, doesn't it? Or is it my math wrong? If you look and see what we paid this year, I based it on what we paid this year. And I did the 10% for the increase. Cuz I'm anticipating [clears throat] it to go up some. It's crazy. Cost a lot to I I hope this is for them to work it some. Yeah. Uh 548 special projects. Department of public works management. We always spent uh 14% on that. 60,000. That they don't do those until the end of the fiscal year. So, they're now starting to turn those bills in. So, I'll be paid out in June, so it won't affect the budget. We'll start that in January. Uh next one's a new new position, fire services deputy director, 105. Salary of 66,407.

Where are you at? I'm sorry. Page 20. 23. Are we doing that now or later? Did you want to talk about that now or later? The salaries. It's not a salary, it's a position.

new position. New position. I say cut it. My I still My question [clears throat] is, how are we going to fund it officially going to move forward besides just saying We you know, we're we got a couple hundred employees as it is and we're going to be looking at raises and stuff for that one. You know, it's just until we narrow that down and figure out cuz, you know, we the ambulances that we added in White Marsh. That That was a half million dollars right there. So, until we narrow that down, I would like to look at that a little bit later personally. We cannot put in this budget yet until we come up with how we would fund it. I I can agree with that as well.

disputing that it's not needed. I I would never dispute that. I I know it's needed. And we've [clears throat] all been given proof that it's needed. We We've seen that. I'm not sure that position is needed. Firefighters are needed, but I'm not sure that position is needed.

Okay. I'm just saying, you know, I'm I'm making reference back to the study that was what that was done. I just don't think that our budget can support it this fiscal year. It's something that we could go back and look at or maybe something we can consider for next fiscal year. I just, you know, I'm just concerned about how this is going to affect our budget for this fiscal year. I'm trying to be conservative with any way I can and this this is a way that I see that we could probably cut it. And I don't feel this position's needed at this time. Maybe we once we get if we get paid fire fighters or expand what what that study said. Yeah, I don't support the deputy. I think we're ready for it right now. Funding source ongoing. No, I I might look at [clears throat] it differently. I've said this before in committee meetings, but this is the very first nugget in the whole scheme of this thing. Patsy remember mentioned the study. And Aaron mentioned funding. Once you start it, this is just a domino effect until we get to the point of what the study said. We know it's going to cost millions, not hundreds of thousands, millions. And the next step is going to be how we fund it. And I've heard the word transparency thrown around in everything we do. T A L And if we're going to be transparent, we're going to need to be talking about if we're going to start something, how we're going to finish it. So, part of that description that we talked about was that this person would respond to fires. There's no vehicle in here. I mean, that's an expense. What kind of vehicle are they going to drive? You know, there's a lot more to just that specific position.

And on top of that, again, we I think where you're going is just you're you're creating a firefighter at that point. And I I've said this all along. I'd rather see us actually have paid fire fighters besides this position up front. But then that does create a whole another Well, that's my point. I want to I want everybody to be clear about where we're headed here. And uh because it's not just an issue today and this year, it's going to be an issue for the for the next several years to try to develop this. You know, because the next next move will be building the building down the Ford plant. Uh and then the next move will be trying to find equipment to put in it and and crews to put in that. And it's just going to balloon into something. So, I I want to make sure everybody's understanding what we're talking about. We're talking about taxation in the future to support this. And there's And we've already talked about it in some of the committee meetings. We talked about special taxing district. We talked about insurance premium taxes. So, all these things need to be looked at before we start putting little things into place that ends up being the big big deal. Once you knock over that first domino domino it starts falling. That's it. Well, I mean, we we talked about trying to use some of the equipment that's already there from the volunteers and I think it was said that we can't use theirs because part of those those specific areas. So, all of individual? Yeah. So, we at that point we would have to look at equipment and again, this is not a $66,000 budgeted item. It's minimum half a million plus. By the time you start adding in vehicles and whatever it may need to be. So, the consensus out here today is not to establish this position.

Not to establish a way to pay for it. Correct. Yeah. And 105 move. That's 24. [clears throat]

Real quick. Right. And it kind of adds to it. I'd like to see and I know it's not it's budget, but it you know, there could be something along those lines and maybe trying to cooperate more with the cities regards to that. So, it may need a budget amendment if there is some kind of agreement we could come to with the cities to help offset, have them help re-respond in the county some. So, just I think there's options there that we can do to kind of fight this issue versus just starting here. That's an excellent point. I mean, we have never and you all know you've heard me say I love to say this. The all the city government and the county government come together and form a public public [clears throat] safety agency of some sort. And I I think it's time that us county government engages the cities major cities on their fire departments and try to see if there's any way to expand their their service area or work in other areas to to cooperate. Um so, but it never seems to get any traction, but I think we need to Until we do that, Yeah. we don't know. Right. We we we don't know. Now, I just just a quick point though that we we do have agreements with the cities and they do I want to give them credit right now that they do respond. We have mutual aid agreement with

mutual aid agreement so it's not like the line's drawn and they never cross it, you know, they So, uh but I understand what you're saying but I just I don't want it to sound like No, no. cities aren't responding and helping us out in the county whenever they're needed. I'm thinking we're looking for dialogue there for us to sit down and try to see if there's possibility of expanding services and cooperating more together and a different approach. There's the

reach the same goal. There's a need for a comprehensive approach with all the resources in Hardin County. Uh coordinating the cities and we have not gotten there. At least try. That's all I'll [snorts] say. And as the judge says, I know Vine Grove I'm saying outside of their city district line. You know, the Rineyville area a whole lot. So, Yeah, I think that that was reflected in their numbers in the study. Yeah. Since Vine Grove is well, they got partial paid full time fireman now too. Anything else on page 23 that anybody No. 340? We use like 150 bucks. 125. Yeah. 185. That's 100% That's not even how much we had for building around 340. Back on page 23. It's just 340 it is. time, but you know But you know, to your point, I mean It's 20 some words into it's a budget, so Two two sets of tires. 3% I mean I'm It could be a transmission. I'm just saying that the vehicles are older, so it's it's just a shot in the dark whenever a big a big expense may come along, so Yeah. Especially for transmission. Yeah. We've used 3.7% cut in half, is that what you're saying? You good with that, guys and gal? Yeah. So, 340, 2500.

Is this TV that is like central command? Yeah, or EOC. [clears throat]

413 We transferred money out, but I didn't use any. Which one? 413, the very bottom of page 23. Communication equipment Communication equipment I have something else, but it's not really that.

Oh. But if we're not using it, why do we have it there? Is there something we're going to use it for? I mean we at some point in time we may use it, but right now we haven't used it in the last year, so we're we're just maintaining it at 4500 on it. Could reduce that as well. Well, it's usually mostly radios, so I don't know if they have something planned for the end of the year. I think No, wait a minute. No, I looked at the wrong 341. You want me to say I think it's a radio type of equipment, so it is just one of those place holders. Mhm. Yeah, yeah. Are y'all on the same page? We are. Are you at somewhere else? I was, and then he 413 I got it. Okay. I was on a different 413 for a minute. He was asking me questions, so I'm like, "What are you even looking at?"

Communication [laughter] equipment 413. But it usually have it. Yeah, I mean we usually have it. We transferred out 1,200 of it. Cut in half? Yeah. Cut it in half. Page 24. [clears throat]

So, the disaster support, I'm not going to suggest cutting that one in half, even though we haven't used it. What line? Uh 548. I think it's I think we've seen it in our conferences several times that it's a matter of time. Mhm. 548 But, you know, I know we should probably cut that one, but I think that ever since we saw that, there's who knows when we're going to need that. So. That could happen any minute. It could happen today. We have weather today. What about the line right above it, special projects, 3,000? We've only used $648 of it. 59. Huh? 659. 659. We'll cut that down, so. Except the one we'll use for um whenever they get the the SARS grants money. You know, that comes in and out. It's a special project. It's not showing anything within our budget. Well, that's I think we usually have to budget amended in, but I but I'd have to look to see if that's the SARS grant. I'll do some research and get back Yeah.

one. That's the 548, not the 001. Correct. 21% 21.9% used. Possible, I think we could cut that in half. Unless it has to be because of your SARS. But, there's no explanation of a special project coming up. I want to cut it in half. No, the SARS is above that. So, the 446 is the SARS grant. I thought I had identified So, the 5135446 is the SARS grant. So, we cut that 548 in half, then. Yep. So, 548 to 1,500. Should be used. Yes. Yeah. Yes, 48 1500. You want to leave it? Leave it. Leave it. 16 hours. Houston 32 That's what 32.6% 0.6% Question. Is there anything delayed on there? So We charge EMS and Are they metered separately? No, there's that's a split. So if you look at that the 15% Oh, oh, right above it. Okay. emergency management they're all split on square footage that you got. And so right below it I guess the 15 is probably the split technically is set at 150. That's what we want 15%. No, that's the address. 150 North property line. So that's not

just uh That must be a meter that's just theirs. But there is a meter that is split. Okay. The E-town water and gas is the one that's split. That other probably is split too. We may not have percentage I can find that out. Normally everything over there is split by those percentage. Does that make sense? I'll ask. Uh I'm sorry I probably should have called you earlier but the 573004 the telephone CCS1 for $4,490. What is it? It's a maintenance. I have to check to see what all is on that. Okay. I I mean that's just I said yeah that's a just a high phone bill that's what compared to the others. That's the only reason I It's the whole building. Oh, that's the whole building. Oh, okay.

I'll get you exactly how many but that's that's for that that Oh, if Okay. No, it's fine if that's what it is. I I just was curious why that one was so much higher than some of the other telephone lines. Okay, there's just nothing else on on that page. We started at 9:00. Some of us Some of us had meetings uh I mean meals this morning, a lot of coffee and water and different things. So, let's take about a 10-minute break and everybody use do what you need to do and kind of regroup. We'll begin on It's now 10:13. We'll be back at 10:23.

[clears throat]

So, if they separate these, right? So, the building changes things. No, it's not. No, it's not, right? It's not good. Yeah. Yes. Yeah, and I remember you had mentioned Oh. Yes, I Uh So, then Uh It's going to I don't know. So, which is fine, right? Um Yeah. Yeah, but you know I hope you understand. I don't know if you can uh Right. I know. That's a shame. I think it's three. We need to store Yeah, no, I'm okay. Here we can get organized. It does. Well, I 15 16 now. Uh I have some if you need some. No. If that's the plan, I'm actually Well, the problem was getting it stored. I mean, I just can't grade it in classes. Yeah. And they got six

They go just to stab it. I let it I let it Yeah. Yeah. Really?

Mhm.

Okay. I'll pray. Did he say that to you? All right, let's get started, please.

[clears throat]

Okay, we're on page 25. Anyone have uh any issues on this page? I think it's more clarification. He's got it 315. Sorry. Sorry, not 315. Sorry. And that was the EMS billing services. Obviously, the reason why that's increased was uh collecting more money. It's uh they get a percentage, so that's why. There's two pieces. They uh they get 5.5% of collections. They also get a piece of the APAP money that we get cuz they have to do all the recording on it. That went up by $7,000 a month what they were taking in and then plus the increase of revenue. What's um Lisa, the our part-time salaries have were doubled for EMS uh 179. Sorry. What I just take the base of what employees we have at their rates and then work all that up. So, that's how the numbers came up. They kind of intertwine in our program because if they go from part-time to full-time, full-time to part-time, back and forth, and wherever they're at at the time that we run that report is where their history is. But, those two lines are used together, [clears throat] so we'll pull from full-time and part-time needs um but most of the time it's part-time to full-time. Now, Lisa, is that with the one grade count on that? So, that's going to

Well, the 179 would not be. The 179 on the full-time. is not. But, the other But, the The other would just be the 2% because that's right. Okay. That'll be addressed at the end of one, you know, I guess we'll go back to it. I guess the 103 looks like it was more than That was just stepping grade and 2%. Okay. That'll be a T&T. Any other items? Don't see anything else on that page, Judge. Okay. On page All right. Page 26. Well, actually, hold on. On 334, we transferred in $15,000. That's garage door Some other things. It was more than last year's budget for the annual So, we spent 26, so should we not That was an unusual repair. We Have it again. 10,000's fine, adequate. You don't think we need to increase the buildings? That's what we thought we would buy. Yeah. I mean, we added but It's It's all an estimate at this point. There's things that happen, so I know that there's there's a lot that happens over there about the ins and outs about it, everything. So, you know, is 10,000 enough? You know, I can transfer that amount. I mean, you can always adjust it.

What's the door replacement at the jail? Was that included in this? Is that what you were talking about the door replacement? No, it was over here. I know that

at station one. They damaged the door where they couldn't use that for quite a while. But, okay. Anyway, back over then to page 26. I had a question on 399. The the jump on that, what's uh Why that's a significant The the vendor had to be changed and that we were getting a lot of them done by a free and then they would have to something marked and now we have to pay. So, that's why it's We're regulated now. And I think the state statute changed. There's a new That's why now we're having to Yeah. Okay. We asked a question on that one. Okay. It stood out to us as well. Yeah. Okay. All right, thank you. And then um I guess 413 is it some big computer change out or something? Updates. Estimated updates see here.

Okay. Why was it so low though in the past? I mean, is that

It is when it happens. It's when they buy them and then it and then all of a sudden you didn't need to change them out. It's like every So, that's this is just come up for for um expiration. It's just coming Okay. [clears throat] All right. And then I had one one other on this. Um I'll go ahead and [clears throat] ask it now at 567. The refunds. Um that's a that's a major. It's because we had a big increase this We'll go have to leave that for those up. Yeah. Which is my understanding is that now the way the contractor is doing the refunds, it's going through them and that's the cause. They were doing it, I believe, themselves to the actual people. Now has to come through us, so we have to have money in there too. Make those you know, go through the quarterly pay. Did we not have that contractor last year? No, it's the old What happened is um the the A&B Yeah, the A&B was the old vendor and we switched them July of 2004, yeah. Uh what happens all that A&B stuff all it came over and they kind of worked it for a while and then the information that came over into um the new system 911 billing was just a balance forward, not the detail. So, whenever somebody comes back, mainly these are mostly the insurance companies and they say, "We overpaid." Like they might have paid the the individual and them Anyway, they overpay, they come back and say they want their refund. A uh 911 billing doesn't have the detail to actually refund them in the system. So, we have to write the checks. They research it for us and we have to research It's it's a problem anytime you switch billing companies. This is normal.

Uh it should die off, but we had a lot more this year, but it should I I really don't expect it to be that much, but we don't know. Yeah, that's a That's a big jump, but Well, this year you've already spent Okay, 2000. How much? Refunds. What have we spent this year on? 13,500. Yeah. 13,300, sorry. Yeah, we had to transfer

We're at 11,000. Okay. 8,000. total Vanessa March 11,286 11,286 What was the total? The total up through March has been 11,286. And I haven't checked April yet. Yeah. You think we could drop it down to 30,000 easily? It still seems high to me. I would say I mean, if we're only 11,000 something down, I mean, we can go with It's been going on all the way along, but you just keep you're at the mercy of the insurance companies and then some patients will call in and say, "Now [clears throat] I you know, all of a sudden I'd say we could drop it to 30. Just like this year we had to budget So, we've been budgeting and then we've been So, as of April Yeah. uh we've spent 29,410.98. As of April? Okay. And you had to transfer some in. Yeah. So, then that the number that Bonnie just gave, that's without what you Right. what you have transferred in. Yeah. So, we've already spent base basically 30. 30. Yeah. And we have 2 months. And then it's they seem to be working it all out now. It's been about 2 years. Yeah. We've got a long way to Yeah. So, what happened there? No.

[clears throat] Maybe we better leave it alone. 567 some questions as to what that is. Refund, how that works. Um 001 Yeah. It's an audit from 2021 and we actually had a It net cost us what? About $7,000. So, there was revenue where we got refunds and then this 75 is where we had to pay out. The problem is if you don't have that appropriation in there, you can't pay it out. And you have like 45 days to pay it once they give the audit. So, that came in what, December? Yeah, we really scrambled to get all that done.

Yeah. Right. It's They're starting This is uh Medicaid and they're um It's the the APAP money that we get monthly. They go back. They estimate that based even on a year before. Anyway, they're just now catching up on auditing. And so, we we still have 22 and 23 24 and 25 yet. So. That's an estimate. Okay. Thank you. Read on 563, postal charges. Uh, we've used uh, like 38 bucks. I think we could cut that in half to 150. If we're 563 Postal charges. Yeah. 563 $30. Really? Okay. You want $150 then? Uh, postal keeps going up, but okay. We had just had a little uh Yeah. bills. I'm good with the way it is. We ain't using it. But, we might. If I keep swattin' these Everybody would keep swattin' these refunds. I mean What did we I've spend less than what we spent through. I'm inclined to leave that alone, that myself. I mean, I know it's 150 you were talking about, but that's on the borderline as to where it was. Oh. Yeah, we still only spent $38.82. So, we refunded 20 almost $15,000 in April and we didn't send out any Now, this is not this the refunds go

through my office, so it goes through my postal charges, not this. This will be probably something that they have to send out themselves and go to the post office and but it's not the actual Well, I understand what you're saying, but I was just told that with all the refunds we needed to keep the postal I didn't realize it went out through her office. The other things that they do is a lot of responses to I don't know. public records and things like that, too. So, I don't know if they Okay. Anyway. Whatever.

Well. Well. Then the refunds don't go out through this department. Cut it down. So. I think it would. We've only spent $38 through April, she said. Didn't spend any in March. I know it's 150, but that becomes 500 at some point in time if you add them up, so. So, reduce that to 150. 563 should be adequate. Okay. Page 27. Close. It's already in less than 20 what up in Dragon. What's that? I think we all have that marked out. Yeah, what's driving that? I was hoping to reduce it. Let's Let's try to Let's try to have the the judge answer the questions or at least ask her the questions cuz if we start getting into dialogue with the department heads, it's going to uh we are all day long on some things, so we'll we'll What's the $10,000 increase?

Do what? Do what? I said, I'll find out and get back.

Okay. Lisa, do you know Oh, well, never mind. Was there training in April for EMS? Is there training in April? Yeah, I mean, did we pay out any cuz Possibly pay out anything. I'm seeing here where through March we paid out 16,977. Are you still on 574? I am. I'm sorry. Yeah, we only have 3,000 left this month. We paid out in April 5,706. Okay, so that's

of 22,000. That's already over budget. You had to break the money with you. Right. He added some extra leadership training in there, too, so based upon last year, so he wanted to increase some of the training. I I Just to speak on that, I know we have a pretty big turnover in in this department. A lot of this is [clears throat] Is it used for new employees? I don't know. Do you know that? Judge, do you know that? It's used for new employees and then the regular training that they need to do keep they do it in-house.

Mhm. So, the ongoing and as well as orientation, new employee training, that that kind of thing is all built into this. Correct. It allows the training, the in-house training courses, mainly salaries and stuff. So, anything extra would be materials that they have to do. 25 25 25 25 Okay. 25 We're also having to train EM, you know, EMTAs, you know, to bring some people up from EMTs so we can we do that in-house. So, this is some training cost associated. So, it's uh the amount of turnover and stuff that we're dealing with, I mean, it's the cost is going up. So, I'll say no. I just did 25. Okay. Okay. All right, page uh 28. Oh. Uh big elephant there, 739. 739? Yeah. Okay. We talked about it slightly. Just saw I I know that we've talked about this before about removing it and looking at it as far as leasing, all the different options potentially with that. So, actually taking it back through committee and kind of run it through. [clears throat] So, we'd like to go ahead and remove that for this budget and then look at it again next year. Okay. And what else? When you're saying next year, you're saying we're going to bring it back to the committee.

in in the fiscal year next year to

Yeah. Mhm. I want to make it clear. We're moving it from the budget. We're moving what from the budget? 739 and reviewing that Yeah, but there's the the main We ran into a problem last year doing the same kind of thing and we delayed it so much that we had to renew the maintenance agreement with Stryker on the equipment that we got rid of and we only ended up with a $13,000 credit on an 80-some-thousand-dollar bill. This [clears throat] one, the maintenance agreement on it expires November 30th. So, you have to move on it. All of the research has been done on it. I think it's money to me it's money we're going to spend next year anyway. The lease we already looked at is about 7 and 1/2 to 8% interest. So, everything's been done except for it to come through committee and except for us to talk about lease options and all the financings. So, that's the reason we're We're not saying we're not in favor of it. We have to on November 30th to to get this done. So, we're talking about taking this out cuz this possibly could go back in as a lease. It could possibly be the 905,000. So, Yeah.

[cough] [clears throat] So, we'll run it through the proper channels and we'll make a decision and we'll have the monitors purchased before November. Whatever. So, there's two more emergency services meetings before the year. Right. So, again, I just wanted to do that. I just don't know the road map on there but if we do the lease option, we have to take it through cuz it probably won't go through government and it will have to have a unanimous vote. So, it will make it a longer period of [snorts] time. So, We're just trying to get ahead of it. [clears throat]

I mean, if we can go through it's it's a process. You know, we just got to make sure that we've got the equipment at the right time. 1,000% I mean, I've talked to Mark personally about this and Everyone good with that removing it until take it back to committee and discuss our options. Okay. No. I'm assuming everybody else understands that the striker equipment lease is from the last time 602 to 606. That's the debt service board. Cuz that was we started at this this current Yep.

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Anything else on page 28? All right, 29. 65, okay. 4800. It's probably about even. Anyone? Okay. Halfway there. We're moving right along. I don't see anything on page 30, either. I didn't have anything on page 30. Did he get anything on 30? I did not. Thank you. I do on 31. 31?

[clears throat] Uh kind of that same catch you had earlier on 507001. Okay, yeah. We always did five and Keep it at 52. I say keep it at five. Good. I'm sorry, where are we? What account number? 507.

507001. Five. 5305. Senior citizen program. Thanks, 31. Sorry. Does anybody have any objections to keeping it five? Okay. I'm good. Well, I've got two things coming up. Okay. One, I think you and I talked about sending this to you, the opioid. How about 548?

Yes, 548. One, three, and four. Yes. Good. Utilizing opioid money. Did get confirmation from Jenny on the drug court that it can't be, so I'll be moving all that. Okay. So, that was 387050. that's 50,000. 50,000. Which one are you talking about now? 548, one, three, and four. you, got you. [clears throat and cough]

So, that can come out and go use the opioid funds for that. Um and I double-checked because we don't really have I guess the way QRT rapid response Call QRT the same discussing. In order to remove this, we have to have a resolution, right? To remove the rapid response. I have to borrow a resolution saying that we're funding the Hardin County Drug Court for opening funds. If you're going to want to change some of the other funds, then that would need to be amended. Is my suggestion, but that's a legal question. But did I answer your question? Are you referring to the 521 down the line? Yes. Well, because we still have the program somewhat in existence, that's liability property and liability insurance that probably needs to remain. I think my question kind of goes it's twofold. It's now and it's a little bit later. Okay. Yeah, I'm sorry. I was thinking it was a different philosophy than that for the rapid response. That was the only thing I had on 31. Little bit of a I interrupted you just to say that. I thought you were talking about you said rapid response, so I didn't Well, yeah, I mean, I think it's a bigger question, but I think it needs to kind of come up towards the end. Okay. All right. So, it's not looking at anything else but property and 32 now? Yes.

Um 54 go You got something? 5425-4 or 548, sorry. The uh special projects for uh I don't I don't know what FCEL Fest and cultural uh 10,000. Uh we've we've not spent any of that. So, I would um just recommend to cut that out myself completely. Last year you spent some of that Lisa, do you have a schedule for I don't have my schedule with me. I did not bring that. So, can we bring that back up and I'll bring my schedule?

Last year we spent $2,061.6 cents. What do you mean last year? This last fiscal year or the last fiscal year before that?

$2,061.25. That whole last year that we had. We spent $2,061. That's on our library channel. That was the previous fiscal Yeah. Previous fiscal year? Yeah. Some of these things happen. For some reason I'm thinking that the the fair goes out of that. The 2,000 if I'm correct but I don't I'll have the Hardin County Fair and the donation we give them for the 2,000 goes out of that but let me get my schedule. Yeah, 548 there's two lines there. 1,000 and 10,000. Nothing's been spent on either one of them. Right. She wants to wait and see what we spent 2,000 on previous fiscal year. Previous fiscal year. Fiscal year and I spent anything on the regular 540 0 0. And that was a probably just a placeholder in this case. It's been But the other one was at 2,000. So 2,000 would have

Was that fair? It all probably Is that [clears throat] usually the same price? Cut it to five and we're done with it. Mhm. And cut out the one above it. Tourism special projects, cut that out completely. We didn't spend any of that either. So it could be that this might be a paper I think we could cut this in half. So do 5,000? I think so. You talking about the special projects? Yeah, 538. So the 5425

5425. Yep. Go to five. Yep. I say cut the one above it. We didn't spend any of that either. 5420. Tourism. Special We have to have that. I mean, we didn't spend anything, so that's why I just said I'd have to look at my schedule to see what it was utilized for. I know that some Some of them are used for um the Christmas in the park display. So So I just need to get my schedule so I can kind of go over that with you. So as needed, if things need to be replaced, that's where it's pulled out. So But I'm sorry I didn't bring that schedule. Um sorry, before we go too far off this page, scooting back up to the history museum 911 fees. Uh And there it is going to affect on several things. But it's been talked about before. We talked about the emergency service committee. Danny Ordinance two uh anything that's owned, leased, or operated by non by Hardin County government to not pay 911 fees to. So

Location site. The only Yeah. I know, but all the other cities, everybody else pays it for their building. It's the 911. Yes.

So, this this resolution that we've been talking about was anything that is owned, operated, or leased by our county government, actual government. So, the county attorney's office, they have an officer. They don't need to call 911. They're right there. I've talked with Mike about this several times, and we just haven't voted on the resolution, but for example, we pay 911 for this building. It doesn't make sense. Everything we need is right here. Um and that's part of the resolution that we've talked about. Uh I think EMS pays 911. Is that correct? EMS pays a 911 fee that is also It's ridiculous. $70 per building is that what it is? 65. It's technically is what it is. Yeah, I I've got the resolution that we're supposed to be working on or to eventually bring it back. I don't know what the total is going to be, but it's everything that we we own or operate. So, many times If Lone Oak Field does pay too, then they're way out there. Right. So, we're on that. So, Anything owned, leased So, for example, all that like we pay towards the bond to and also the continuation of that is any emergency service. So, fire, police, EMS. There's no sense in our volunteer fire firefighters paying 911 fee. And you know, we did talk about this once at committee, but then you know, we had tasked Mike, myself, and county attorney to go over this, and that's what's coming through. So, I just kind of For information. Yeah. So, we can look at taking it out of the budget because we can because we can get this to pass. You know, like It's currently law now, and don't think you can take it out. You know, it could be budget amended next year or something, but I don't think it should be taken out of there. So, just that for informational purposes, all this kind of

money will be potentially coming back because, you know, if you get down to general admin, there's $700 appropriated for it. So, this is something for y'all to remember and think about. Thank you. [clears throat]

There was a question asked about 9100 185 201 209. Um, that is uh CPI, from what I understand, January, Lisa. [snorts]

Um, that Yeah, that's statutory. [clears throat] Correct. So, um, elected officials are mandated a certain salary, and DLG looks at that salary. So, for example, the judges salary that was set this January or February for this for this calendar year, we cannot put anything any extra in the budget knowing that there's going to be a CPI. So, uh, in the past, we just kind of let it absorb somewhere or else, but the one year there was a 7% increase, that was really hard to find for all that. So, I've created this line for that purpose. It's just for the CPI portion. The social security match and the retirement is within their department or their fund, but that is just to make sure that we don't have to pull $7,000, and then the jailers is in there, too, for his, from somewhere else, cuz we know it's going to happen. Something's going to happen. And we need to make sure that there's some funds there. That's elected officials exclusive of the matchings. Right. Correct. The matchings that we put in there because it's not a mandated amount. So, that's why. That's just kind of a new thing. Fred, I'm going to go back up to 179. The uh co-op and intern salary. I'm Okay. Okay, I'm sorry. Yeah. All right. Um I'm not favorable to that. Uh you know, we're having a hard time making things

on page 32, by the way. Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. Making things uh come out and giving the raises we need to give or give to our current employees without adding a co-op making $13 and something an hour. So, um I just uh while I think it's great to have them if you can afford them, I just don't think that we can afford them. So. Well, we get them now for free, so. Got two this year for free. And and and my daughter had to do some interns and co-ops through college, and she never got paid for her. positions either, so. You know, I think there's a lot of people out there and a lot of co-ops out there available that will come up here and get your schooling in and do it for free, and it'll help him and us. I'm forgetting it. Okay. Okay. And I'm I'm a little I have [clears throat] a different opinion, but I mean, for the sake of the budget, I do I have another You know, we got co-ops coming in here making $13 an hour. We got EMTs making $15 an hour. $15.77. That's that's a problem to me. But, that's a whole 'nother issue that we're going to have to address address eventually. Yeah, all the co-ops I've ever dealt with, and of course, I'm I'm not I'm old [clears throat] school, but it was minimum wage. If you had them. If you paid them. I have a concern about the hourly rate, also. Um The reason for the hourly rate was [clears throat] that's what Donald's was paying. So, uh it's a different time. I I was a college student and I made minimum Who was paying? McDonald's. McDonald's. The fast food restaurants.

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So, everybody's having a hard time getting getting the McDonald's doesn't have to worry about meeting a county budget, either. I I just thought I thought it was a little high for for uh I think it's a good thing to have a co-op program and intern. I think that's great, but uh when we're sitting here we're cutting positions that are vital to the county. But yeah, we're going to, you know, we're looking at a an intern or co-op and we want to pay, you know, 14,470 and 13 something an hour. Uh I'm okay with cutting it. And I would I would like to have the intern also, but I if we did I would I would be minimum wage, so. If that's not possible, then I'm okay with cutting it. We also have a volunteer program. Sure do. So, Well, the employee we have now or actually they're not an employee, is a volunteer, correct? We have someone that is a volunteer now. So, Mhm. Volunteer. Yes, so So, So, I'm here to not fund this line, right? Create this position, right? That put everybody on the same page?

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On Saturday night. All right. Page 33. The uh 9100302 We have budgeted 25,000 and we budgeted the same thing last year. And we have spent nearly 11,000 out of that. I think we could cut that a little bit. Advertising? Yes. I would agree. I agree also. So I think we could cut that down to 15.

Do you have April's numbers with you, sir? Yes, and so every budget amendment, every um I'm dealing with the budget, all that goes through the paper. Yeah. The audit The audit ad has not been done and that's like $2,000.

Oh, okay. So I'm really concerned about cutting it very much because then I'll be having to find money somewhere else to cover just our basic advertisement that happens every year. For the year ended June 30th, 2015, we spent $22,000. Previous fiscal year was 22,000? 22,000, that's what we spent. And if we had another budget amendment or something like that, we would have tipped over. Okay, well. So I'm really concerned. Um And those rates are only going to increase. I'm sure they will. We We have a certain contract that they have to do our advertising by. I don't see them going down. So you're saying leave that alone? I think we better leave it alone. I'm sorry. I didn't realize in the previous fiscal year that we spent that much. Yeah, I think we better leave it. So we're raising 319 by 20,200 and we've only currently spent half of the money. So,

pay that out until end of May, 1st of June. That's for the financial software to do all the paperwork, all the payroll. What we've added to that is we're looking into trying to do an employee portal where you can go in and get your W-2 online, your your pay stubs, and all that. And then a HR that goes with the software. So, that's why that is increased. We've been um Do we use Who do we use for This here has Fiscal Solved and the Time Clock. All that's in that one line. And we just Solved like UKG or something like that? You know you're familiar with UKG?

No, it's written for county governments. UKG's payroll software only. This is payroll and uh the general ledger, the financial statements. Okay. Accounts payable, it's the whole package.

That software program that you're looking to enhance, bring in, are those things that are done by employees in your department at this time? So, that will relieve them of those It it will relieve some, but it will give it's an advantage to the employee. Mhm. They don't have to But they can get that information through your That's our goal. Yeah. I don't know if any of you all had that in your employment. I have not cuz I've been here, but I've heard that it's a really big asset to be able to get that. Your W-2s, you can look back at your history and everything. So, Yeah, we use UKG and I can get That's what they're trying to do. Yes, I am. Yeah, it'll save all the printing. Can you tell me what uh 9100315 is Who is those are with? Uh that's some copiers, I know for sure, but I can get that list for you. Okay.

things. So, then what is 9100399? Uh that is the um Sorry, I should have called you beforehand. Yes, let me it's it's to deal with the employees. Um it's it's a fee that we have to pay in order to do the um the W-2s, the 1094, 1095 reporting. So, we have to pay a monthly fee and that's what that's for. That's all that EDI paid on the uh Obamacare, the compliance, ACA compliance and I'm almost sure that's all that goes out of that. I have to receive something else, but I think that's it. I was just I wasn't sure exactly what they were. And what was your other question? Do you have another question? Um you said 315 you thought was copier. Yeah, I will get that right down for you, but I'm that's copier and other contract.

That's fine. I I was just trying to figure out like with private agency, I didn't know what that meant. [clears throat]

309 consultants, we've had 3,000 in there pretty consistently. We don't spend anything on there. So. That would be a They got reduced to half. Well, if the if the county attorney asked for us to get a consultant or any more legal fees, I've got to have some funds in there to move and that's what that's been used for in the past. Um How often have we used it, you know? I know at one time we used it for when we did the audit. Um the auditor that helped do the um Pro Basis accounting. They come in and did um some stuff and that was part of that, too. So, um Last year we spent $291, but it so it can fluctuate. It's just an estimate [clears throat] for the hourly fees. I'll say we could cut it in half.

So, what's line 9100-332? Legal fees. That's like That was legal fees. The other one was account consultants. Consultants. Consultants, whatever. I would think we could cut that in half. Which one? 309 or 309? I prefer not to cut the legal fees cuz that's sometimes hard to get funding cuz a lot of times they'll come in at odd times and I can't I can't make them before [clears throat] and you can't predict when I'll have to do that. I'm talking about 309. Yeah, I know. I just didn't want you to go to the next one and say cut that in half. [laughter]

Then I was going to get real concerned so I was trying to I was saying it real quick. I was getting ready to head there. I was going to cut it more than that. One at a time. [laughter] So, 309, 1500. You all good with that? I'm good with that. Now, 332, legal fees. Well, She would prefer We use nothing out of it. We wiped it out before. So, we just I mean, if you're going to take a lot of this away, you're going to have to increase the contingency account because I've got to be able to pay the things as it comes in. And a lot of this comes in and

Um cautious with our spending is what we need to do. have a control over that. That's but I'm saying every department does. Right. When that comes in, I've got to pay it. So, that's my concern.

That isn't predictable. Right. Legal fees is is a one of those things you cannot predict. But I still think 25,000 is a placeholder when we haven't used any is a little high. I ain't saying take it all. I ain't saying cut it in half, but I think we could cut it to 20. Traditionally, what's the average that I'll have to go back and see. I know. I'll have to put my name. Mhm. Is that usually set at about 25? I think it's been that for [clears throat] years. The suggestion is to cut it to 20, so What's your pleasure? We can shave 5,000 and we haven't needed it. Maybe we I mean I'm good with 5,000. I'm all right with shaving five. Who gains? I'm fine. Oh, sorry. I'm with Lisa. Yeah. Well, What do you mean you're with Lisa? I mean you Leaving it at 25. I've Reduced it by five. No, take five off. 20 to 20. Take five off of it. Move it to 20. Is 00548003 meeting and marketing support. Is that a Where are you at? 548003. I have to work that's on my schedule. We have a spinny thing out of it, so I have no idea what it is.

Judge, do you know I have any idea what that is? I'm not sure what that is. It's just a placeholder. It's somebody that had things before in the past. What number are you on? 548003. It could be it's a placeholder. right? $1,000. Okay, for community marketing support. [clears throat]

Um What are we using now? Nothing? She's a place holder. 563 the post I know it's going up, but I don't think we can use Why we lower that is we are now working with the industrial fund and the stuff that they are mailing we've got it going out that fund instead of ours. So, that's why we reduced that. I think we could reduce it even more. I think we could go to five. We wouldn't use But I have to go back and see what we used the last few years. $1,777.87 4320 1920% there about 1920% And postage is going up. It's going to go up. I think 5,000 is plenty. Um Your suggestion on 563 is to reduce it to 5,000, is that correct?

Yes. Anybody else? I'm good on that. You guys are bouncing around on me. I'd like to go back up to 9100 336. Okay. We got three of them going on now. So, cuz last I heard we were at um the marketing support, the place holder. The place um holder. Now we've moved to postage. I I'm not sure about reducing it to five, but that's Yeah. What did we use this

We only used $1,773.87 19% So, it was four that it was less than five last year total? That's what she said. Who's she? Bonnie. Okay. It's 42 or 4300 something. She's got

We keep going back and forth. No, this [laughter] one was last year. What Challenge. Is it the postage we're talking about or Postage charges. We're on 563. 563 we spent 4,326.13 last year. Fiscal year. But postage is going Hey, that's that's my concern. But she said some of the postage is now going out of a different account.

we compromise and go to six? I just think I just don't think five is may not may not do it. Why don't we We could cut it 1,000 at six. I mean postage is going to go up. You need This is another one of those unpredictable things. Well, $800 will buy a lot of That's a lot of 10 cent increases there. Well, that's not all the you don't not everything that goes out of here is in a regular size envelope. We check some mail. We're doing a lot of them. Well, The first suggestion Lisa, you you you came up with these numbers, so I'll leave it up to you. The first suggestion was cut it to five. How many people are on How many of you are for five? I was one, two, three. Okay, it's consensus cut it to five on 563. There's another one that I was talking about 500 there. Yeah. What is 9100336? Went all the way back up. Yeah. Maintenance repair service equipment. 5,000. Right. Spent zero the year before. I think it's in there just just in case. 2,500. I'm with that. Lisa, I don't know. Did you have something? I don't without looking at what has been used there in the past. Nothing was spent last year and then so far. Last year or this year so far. So, I think 2500 20. On 336 2500. How's everybody else feel about that?

I'm good with that. Question on 340. Is that the Let's get this one finished first. Slow down. No, but you got to write some things down. I was just asking Lisa. She's trying to write it down. Yeah, you're moving on now. We're not ready to move on yet. Well, that's cuz you got to skip to the bottom of the page before I get to mine. [laughter] Then you fuss at me for jumping back up. I'm not fussing. I'm just sitting back here. [laughter] It's a great one at a time. Okay, go ahead. 348 vehicle maintenance. Is that for all pool vehicles? The 340? Oh, sorry. 340. I looked at the wrong number.

for a pool vehicle. Okay. How many pool vehicles do we have? Zero. None right now, I think. Yeah, we have it in the budget to purchase one. But we don't have any right now. Okay, we don't have any right now. All right, but you have in the budget to purchase a new one. Okay, so why do we need 2000? In there. If we're going to get a new vehicle, it's going to have They're usually They usually comes with with some of that service um is So, you think 2000 is Yeah, they got a pretty cheap. And they're all four. I'm not either. Okay, we're getting off track. All right, we're good. We'll go back down to where you guys were at. Okay, uh Just y'all go ahead. I was going to ask the same one. About 69? No, that's not the one. 569? Increase of 2,000 for training for general. It was zero. Yeah, what is that? Who's this for? That was for department head trainings. That we have done. The heart Yeah. 445s. The year before. But Yeah, we wanted to increase training. Leadership training. So that's leadership training. Leadership training. Okay.

So were we budgeted too high the year before on 564? I noticed we went down $500. Did they I mean, we didn't lower the contract. I'm sure. I mean, I'm just curious why it went down 500. [snorts]

Whatever reason it's is good thing. Well, yeah, I mean, I'm just curious though. Make sure that it wasn't a Well, we all of last year, we only we spent 19,720. Nothing's went up. So, right at 20,000.

a contract unless we have a special called meeting or contract with with Well, if we have a special called meeting, they can go up. I just wanted to make sure it wasn't an accidental a zero instead of a five. There's a big difference between a zero and Yeah, could have been a one or a two or a three. All right. Okay, I'm good. That's the only question I had. All right, 571 uh we transferred out but we haven't spent anything. What is renewals and repairs? I mean, what's that cover? I feel that that's a place holder. Place holder? I should again between end of April through June, budget amendment's hard to do. And so, funds run out. Got to have some place to pull. So, again we have a big project that contingency like we did this year till the budget amendment went through then it pretty much wiped it out. We had nothing. So But it seems like every time we turn around we've asked a question about some of these and they're placeholders. Cuz they're in the general administrative. They're for those purposes. But And if you look back, they've not been abused. They've been for needed needed transfers. Um it's not just something out of the blue. Some of these we've had to use for utilities. Question of why we're having to transfer. I mean, you see what I'm saying? I mean, you know you know Cuz I know a couple of them they used to

haven't had your transfers. Why have we had the transfers? Was it utilities we have no control over or did we go buy a vehicle for 40,000 we didn't know nothing about, you know? Yes. Cuz I know one of them we pulled a bunch from. We had a water leak and we had to have extra money. And that's where this law that was pulled. So, that's That's the first place I go when it's something that the department doesn't have the funds left in their budget to be able to use for some unforeseen cost. I will pull it from this from the general administration. So. Well, you did reduce it, so it's already been, you know, cut back. Are we leaving the Did we decide to leave the um 54803? Did we decide to leave that placeholder as is? She was going to double check.

to double check the schedules to make sure Okay. All right. Okay. So, we're leaving 57101. 57101, you mean? The windows and repairs, the placeholder. I said we're leaving it like it is. Um I would like to cut it down to half, but On the very next page, we've got the general fund contingency of $100,000. And [clears throat] basically, I'm I guess I look at placeholders as that, but maybe we need to start looking at increasing our contingency, cutting out the placeholders. That way we've got one thing to look at instead of all these little $10,000 items. I'm good with that.

So, you're saying maybe to see I would have to go back in this budget cycle and knock out all those that we've already gone through. So. Unless there's some purpose for them being in that category. Yeah. Does that make a difference, Lisa? It hasn't [clears throat] for me in the past. It's just that I will if you need salary money, I do the salary and benefits first and then we'll [clears throat] go from there from that department. And if it's if utilities, we try to stay within the utilities of the department. If it's something they can't do, then I go to the general administrative and try to pull So, it needs to be the contingency fund. What I'm proposing is that when you build the budget the next time build the budget based on contingency increase and and not put all these placeholders in there. Is what I'm saying. And it will save us a whole lot of reviews. Leave it like it is now and we'll go on finish up our our annual analysis of the budget. But in the future maybe address it from that standpoint. I think it'd make it easier on you, too. I think so, too. I'll say will that work for you?

Yes, it would. I kind of inherited this way it's been done. But like I said, if we pull that out, then I will struggle at the end of the year trying to find where we need to move money. Is there any Sorry. Is there any issue with DLG cuz I know sometimes it's like that when they look at this will they think, you know, you've just done your too high on this one line? They'll probably question that. I think I can answer that question.

that's the question. That could be a question they ask as well we did. But with costs going up, I don't think that that would be a question. It's probably worth checking with them if you're planning on doing for the before the next budget, make sure that it's acceptable. I mean, if we increased our contingency 25,000 on a $62 million budget, I don't think that Now, let us walk over there.

I don't think that they'll do that. I really don't, but I will check. So, what did you decide 571? Cut it to five. I'll say it's still at five. You add all those together, you're going to have 125 or 100. So, cut that one to five and then add to the I'm waiting on as we get on down. I'm fine with cutting it as long as we like we said we bump up 9200 999, which is the contingency. We're not going to bump it up on this budget cycle. Yeah, we're talking about the next whenever she prepares the budget in the

future. For the next fiscal year. No, I got you. If you have a zero going to keep this at 100. They're keeping that at 100. Do you still want to cut 571? Yeah, what I'm saying 520 you know what I'm Out of all the ones we cut down, we add all those together, that'll be the 25,000 that we But if you cut that to five or something, it's still five. Yeah, I got you. I'll say five. On 571? Yes. Um I would be be good with either five or seven. I mean It's yes. Yeah, 5,000 is okay with me. That's okay with me, we All right, reduce that line to 5,000, yeah.

Five. Five. Can I just remind you all that the end of the year you have pages of budget transfers to do. I don't know if y'all remember that or not. Or we produced pages of budget transfers. So, there's a lot of movement in this budget. Mhm. The expectation would be that the department head stay within the budget. We do not have to continue to change to money. So. Well, they stay within their budgets, but sometimes the lines have to be made. five. that's what a budget transfer is. Right. And they do stay they stay open all year. Yeah. You have $100,000 or 50 or 75 on all the operations plus payroll. [clears throat]

Just adding to that I think maybe like revisiting next time and kind of changing those other lines to make it a little more if we consistently have to do this, maybe this will make it easier on you. It's where it's just less that you do have to worry about transferring. We have a little more in each of those lines. And but but you know, if we don't have legal fees the last paid in June and I need it for another line, that's where it's going to go to the other line. So, that's kind of what happens.

That's where it's going to go. Right. Yeah. If it's not used for that, so that's why you'll see nothing may have been paid out or a lower amount paid out. So, when you look, most of it was transferred out because there was another need. So. So, that's just the But I do like what Fred said about um you know, the the reserve for general fund that the general fund fund reserve. It makes sense maybe just to to increase that. And and eliminate some of those placeholders. As long as you're going to increase that that's Uh well, no. To increase that and eliminate the it just you know, it it causes less confusion. Okay. Good on that. Page 34. You brought up the pool car line 9100-723. There's $40,000 [clears throat] in there. I understand that is for the pool car judge. Yes.

Is that what that's for? Okay. Probably a little less than that, but definitely cover it. Stay below the $40,000. Is that going to be for a new car like the RAV4 or Yeah, what RAV4? Something in that in that category.

Same category. $35,000 to $40,000 range, we can get something like that. I cut down a lot of all the re-imbursement that was sent to you. Yeah. We got folks going to training and having to drive their own vehicles. Some of those vehicles are not made for long trips. Take the chance at it. Uh I know some of the the terrain they have to go into, they don't want their own vehicle. Some of the muddy roads are maybe we we've got to have a pool vehicle. We've got to. The other two were junk, so they're I'm fine with a pool vehicle as long as it's used the way it's supposed to be. Yeah, I mean it just should be reduced mileage.

any more mileage. If it's available, it should be used. It's true.

available this time than 911. So 911 had used it a lot. So a lot of times it wasn't available in the old days. Down for maintenance or somebody else. I mean we have IT people and HR, they go around a lot to all departments. Stop them having to. I think it's much needed, so appreciate to be able to to get one. Okay. Anybody good with that? Yes, we're over to page 35. You about ready for another potty break? Lunch and bring them out here. Slow down on the do. On page 35, that 100,000 that's folks who I understand that are eligible for retirement and those that uh have indicated they're going to retire to pay off their or meet their obligation for sick leave and vacation pays, is that correct? Correct. Any questions on that? I'm good. I got Wait, do you have No, I'm good. Okay. I have a question on 348. Okay. And why is it looks like a new um line item or new expense? Was there [snorts] not anything in there from Hm? The new ordinance the new ethics ordinance that was passed had a provision in there that they get like $1,000 from everybody all the participants. Oh. It's a fee. We paid that in this fiscal year. Okay. It just wasn't in the budget last year. Okay. Yeah. All right. Well, thanks for that. Okay, page 36. 314, top of the line.

Oh, okay. What is that? Is that the road or is that the the metro transportation between What is 314, top of page 36. We need to develop a metro plan where we can meet last year we contributed 15,000 towards uh I can't Yes, yes, I just said Okay. We'll get you something. I don't have this, but I have that. Can you give me the don't have this but can you give me the account number on first one on page 36. We spent 45 87 90 on it this year so far 53% have a little bit more to go. 15 15 but this is moving up to. I can't remember what exactly what that other is for. The 50 the one that has the 15,000. Yeah and the other one was something that scrolled over from years and years. Copy of that bill. Thank you. So there's two things in there that's the okay. Well that was the confusion cuz we knew it was only 15 curious but we don't need 15 again do we? That was a one time no it was something that

we agreed to at least until decision is being made you know. I thought and I thought they were pulling out there the cities are starting to pull out of this. I had a MPO meeting tech meeting last week. Everybody there Radcliffe E-town so do they have any data how many people have used it so far? They have some data went over it it's not a huge number yet still working on advertising things like that so. I think though to summarize the meeting it's it's too early to say that that this is going to lead to something bigger. You know. Because I thought phase two was 360,000 total for all the You know. Just buying some other vans. I think four vans. Not buses but vans.

to phase two yet. We are not. No, we we decided to wait another year to see how this if it continues to grow or not at this level. So if the cities are not going to do this, we're not going to be the only one participating in this, correct? That's correct. We'll pull out same time they will. Or pull out sooner if you guys want to. But we've kind of committed up through this this coming year. And [clears throat] I was I was absolutely for it to begin with, but I think when I heard that the expectations were a lot higher for usage and it's significantly low. You know, so It's not It's not great. I'll I'll agree with you. But it's I've been what the presentation was it's still early. And that's So the agreement with the group was to go another year. See what happens. I know that the biggest push and the reason why I was kind of behind it was in in the future, you know, they did talk about expanding the operations, etc. But right now it's mostly Elizabethtown and Radcliff utilizing this. Yeah. Um I mean some people from the county are utilizing it, but it's numbers are low. I I could go either way. I mean it as if the city if cities are going to be pulling out, I for sure want to be pulling out. Yeah, I agree.

I know she was something that But they're not pulling out. So we're putting another [clears throat] $15,000 back into phase one extension. And I'm the numbers I've been hearing that I don't have any documentation, but low numbers like 20 in a year. That's not a very good response as far as I'm concerned. And then we're putting $15,000 back into same program we got going now. So, I don't know what they're Did they do it say anything in the meeting what they're going to do to try to increase that usage? Went over some various different advertising methods and and um just they're What TAC is saying is that it's too early to make a judgment on whether this is going to be worthwhile or not. So, that's kind of the way that everybody went with that. Said, "Okay, we'll commit to another year, get back together again, and see see where we're at." I'm I'm good with

So, another year is just phase one still? Yes, sir. No no commitment to go to the bigger phase two. So, what kind of $454,000 to them? He said so So, what I'm hearing is that we'll continue the $15,000 for the next cycle in phase one. Yep. Yes. As long as Like I said, as long as they're Everybody good with that?

I'm good with that. I'm I'm I'm going to be optimistic and hope that um the numbers support it. There's a lot of people that complains about transportation, so you would think there would be a lot more people using that that are utilizing it. I'm I'm Everybody that I talked to doesn't know anything about it. That's And so, I think we should put a bug in their ear to bump up their advertising budget. [laughter] And I think they're going to come back to I think they're going to come back to the county for more money. So, if you know, if we're utilizing if we're spending folks outside the county to use it. Yeah. Well, we're not giving as much as the cities are. So, and I know it's benefiting mostly our city folks, but it is. But, they're still And the whole

Hardin County residents. So, that's what we wanted to help put in. [clears throat]

But, I know that the the city folk are the ones using it. Not necessarily. More than the county. Well, maybe if we can Maybe judge, if you would, next time share a report Yeah. to us so that we can have some idea about what's going on. Then, we can be better informed. I'd like to see those numbers and how many people I'd like to see where the folks are coming from that are utilizing it. As a matter of fact, I'll go a little step further. We'll have a packet coming to you. Well, that'd be great. Do they have the demographics of where they come from that use it? They should. They have some information. Okay. Yeah. Good as What we Yeah. I think I've followed the bus a couple times to Taylor County, so. Probably a different one. Yeah. Anyway, we'll leave it as that, then. Are you good with that? Armond, So, you Are you good with the uh leaving the 15,000?

Yeah. Looking over there. He wasn't paying no attention what you were saying. So, the uh We're ready to move on for it? Yes. The next thing I see is 145 that stands out. That is a salary position that was mixed in with the other employees, the uh 143. So, that the other uh be able to do the budgeting, it's easier to take that salary position out. Okay. So, that So, 143 was higher 143 was has been a position that it's was included in the 143 I'm sorry, the 145 was included in the 143 and I pulled it out. Yeah, so basically it went from 721 to putting those two together at 790 but that's including some raises and 2%

It's 2% okay. Okay. All right, I'm tracking. Yeah. That was but it just makes it a lot easier for us when we're doing the budget part. The hourly versus the salary. Looking at it here, it looks like it was a I didn't think it was a new position but it you know, it was kind of confusing I guess. Okay, that's Uh there was something that I was going to ask. The contract asphalt dropping so much, is that just do we This is Nothing. Asphalt for patching, I believe. Well, we did a million 30, was that some grant or something did we that is why it was a thousand or a million 30 before and now they're on the 575? Yeah, I'm on 311. Sorry. That once again, it's kind of like a placeholder. It is whenever you figure out what all you have to spend in some of the budgets cuz later on we'll get some grants and we'll have to pull from that asphalt line. Yeah, I know that's but this is This is the Joy this year we have more like if you look at the contract the large CPP and we've got more in some of those lines cuz we actually already have the money. Is large asphalt team? It is pavement in place. Okay.

Asphalt is right now would be what we would use ourselves. Okay. But I I was just uh I'm all for making sure we have plenty of money in our asphalt budget and road budget to ensure that uh Right. And then it's being reviewed all the time. Schedules of what roads need to be planned and pulled out. The money for it. But Lark was the 211 roads? 12. 211 roads?

Yeah. 10 miles [clears throat] of road? Mhm. Which is good. What's the [clears throat] The Lark money we're not funded. That's coming from the state. That's our We get a 20% match. 20% match. So in the revenue there's like the 600 piece. So we add Okay, 784 784 is our 20%. No. No, it's That's total. cuz it's a it's a payout. So do 20% That's how much is

we would end up spending actually. We would spend uh we would get 627,400, spend the 700 is costing us about 155,000. Yeah. I'll make you pull that again. Okay, so to me we're still not putting as much money into the asphalt to our resurfacing. We have We're putting in When you add all of those up in the contracts and everything, it I mean the building uh bridges and everything, it's about 2.1 million dollars that we're spending there. Our revenue is down. Uh Mhm. Yeah.

Like Like item 311 where we're almost a half a million less. I guess it's for me you are have come hard at it.

That's That's a grant we already received. 311 was a grant? That's the reason it was a million before. Yeah. Yeah, that's the one that just went through work not too long ago. Cuz we won't We won't really get it uh We don't have the revenue yet. We won't get it all uh finalized until I think it's June when we get that. We put in a a request for it. That was the 146,000. But we can't pull the money in until we actually uh get the grant. And then at [clears throat] that time we can pull it in and then add to the asphalt line. So we probably shouldn't have moved it out. So we actually have to spend the money before we get reimbursed some of these, Are we Are we still adding an an additional million dollars to the asphalt paving? That fund is coming from the landfill contract. Yeah, we're doing the million 492. We made it the same as last year. 1 million 492,224. That's the That's not on there. All revenue is the same. It's It's all revenue. Yeah. Let me make sure I'm understanding your question because when you're talking about the the 311001, the MRA, asphalt, is it That was one of the questions, correct? That is the MRA money that we're receiving. That has went down. And DLG said we could only budget what we received this year. So that's why that number is what it is. He was looking at the expenses.

311. You said 146. That's why I was trying to 146. Oh. Yeah. The 570 575. Contract asphalt. Contract asphalt. [clears throat] So we're

at We're contracting less than half. That's compared to the budget last year. If you look at what ended up at least through March. We have some more transfers, don't we, for some Lisa. I don't know. Um are you talking about the 311 [clears throat] line? Yes, 311. Right now, they're sitting in uh 726,000 in that fund instead of the a million 30 cuz we transferred out. Right. So we've paid out this year so far 512,689.16.

Okay, so that's Yeah, cuz we're going to be spending more by the end of June. We expect to spend over that budget. We're expecting to spend that 500 and some and then we're um expecting to spend out LGA money on asphalt roads. Is the plan for this fiscal year right now. [snorts] So I'm asking how come we're so much This budget's a lot lower than last year's. Because the revenue is down. County road aid plus MRA revenue. Municipal road is all we're getting. based on Yes. If you look on your revenue sheet, you'll look on page

It can be a shocker to the general public when they see that we're doing If you look on page five of what we have tried this year. We know what we did last year, 2.2 million for County Road A, [clears throat] this year is 1.8. But but you when you look at add up all the lines that 575 is sitting in the asphalt which also uh this MRA uh the LARP money, CPFP, that was up [snorts]

290,000. 90,000. That normally would have been up in that a million 30, you know, so we've been able to actually get things back down and we had some grant money this year way ahead of time than what we've ever seen. We still have we still have the MRA. Uh I mean the rubberized asphalt, that's going to come in here too. So it will spend. We're [clears throat] going to spend pretty comparable to it. We don't always spend all of our asphalt money. either. What I'm saying is whatever the amount County provided for last year's asphalt you're providing at least that much cuz due to the revenues are less. I'm even saying should we try to subsidize it or fill it up so we don't cut our road funding down our asphalt resurfacing. When when we look we're we're trying to do it on a project basis. You know, have all the roads that we want out there that are rated the eight, nine, and 10. The LARP is going to pretty much take care of that. We're also finishing some up this year through the end of June is on the process. And next year, uh I think some of this will move once we get the rubber rubberized asphalt in here. And then, uh except we we have more than a match from the from Kentucky on those pieces than we've had before. I'd have to add You have to take the uh this whole group of line and look at We're spending 2.1 million this year on all these. Um last year, it might have been 2.2,

but we're not even done. This is the budget. You got to look at what we actually spent. I think that's what I'm saying. Yeah. Every many miles of road that we did last year, I wouldn't want to do a lot less than that this year. Even if the state funds are reduced, then I believe the county should you know, get it back up to whatever it needs so we keep doing the same amount of miles of road. We got to remember the state budget. They had a lot extra money there for 2 or 3 years there. They're And they were pouring more money appropriations and stuff to us. And if you were I recall correctly, and in the state [clears throat] budget, they allocated more money for Hardin County, but they took money from the county roads and gave it to the state roads in Hardin County. So, we we got a [clears throat] We had a little switcheroo on us there. So, you can't really go back, I don't think, um Kenny ain't going back 2 years because that money that pool of money they've already gone through that at the state level. That was that was money all and above what we had normally spent. And I know we we've been spending or adding at least a million or something each year. You're talking about the stuff about from the landfills to the

Yes. Yes. Well, I think it's going from industrial tax this time. It is going from it's it's the flat amount that you know, the county road aid and municipal road aid helps fund the salaries of the when that goes down you've got to fund that too. So that's how we balanced it out. So that's I'll get your answer later this afternoon about the miles of road. I'll pull it up right now. I believe our roads aren't in the greatest shape. If we're doing an eight, nine, and 10s that's good, but the sevens they're not that great either. So They should be eights or nines. Some some of them should be. And when you let them the sevens or sixes get not get repaired or resurfaced, they deteriorate faster. And it costs more to fix them. We're reviewing all that now. We're using the state guidelines. Mark Absher's with it and and so is Michael Stockton. I've been meeting with ALDOT and been with uh the Charlie the other people that worked on that PCR that pavement review PR whatever that one is PRC. Um so they're reviewing all that now. They're listing all the roads. They're going out there. They're taking pictures. They're all all of that is in the plans to get it all done. But I can tell you the mileage. I know our road department every 300 ft and photographed the pavement across this county. So those roads have been documented by our road department and uh that information is has been well documented. I know Lisa did that for the submission for the special grants or something. I didn't know if they was doing that for every road. I thought it was just for the ones we were submitting. No, they did it for all all three every road and

then we had the we had this year, too. To put some money in it to start recycling, doing some uh some of the worst roads again, kind of straighten those out. And then and some of them have changed after the ice storm that we had. They got a lot worse, especially. And Kenny, [clears throat] if you think about this way, if we weren't getting the LARK money or some of that other stuff, we wouldn't be able to get all that stuff done with what we're budgeting. So, we're going to kind of exponentially get cuz I know at one point 20-year road plan, we were way behind. And because of all the extra state money, we're we're getting we're getting closer to being at where you know, five and sixes. The last four or five years, of course, the ARPA money also helped quite a bit of money but that money was put in there to It none of us I None of us going to actually catch us up to a place where we'd all would never get any complaint about a road. You know, but Your concerns are well-founded. Yeah, I mean, you look at the number roads we had and if you give them 20 years life, we need to do about 30 miles each year. I don't know that we're doing that and I certainly don't want to fall way short. Just It's probably more like 15 miles. Well, and I think you know, our state legislators are helping us tremendously with that and I'm pretty sure we're getting extra Yeah, and then the difference between the other funding that we got like last year and then the LARK, there's 20% match. Before we got it the money. And then we always there's still the money out there for emergency road aid. We leave 3% [clears throat] in a year of our uh county road aid and municipal road aid money that will be for emergency. So, if there was something that came up and have to prove that it wasn't because we were not doing maintenance. But, uh anyway, we can get that for

emergencies, too. So, that's I don't know. Just out there. I've been on some roads here in the last few days, and I didn't realize they were that bad. They wasn't that bad before we had that ice and snow. And I don't see how they're getting these some of these little old cars over the roads. I mean, it's the blacktop is just gone. It's just broke up into just chunks. And uh Mike does a lot of those sketches we're working with Scottie's right now trying to He's got to schedule those roads. So, I don't know if it's the road you're talking about, but there is a schedule of all the roads Scottie's trying to get to for June, and then there's the wish list after June. The other other question I have you might have already talked about. I apologize for being late. I just got busy and forgot about it. So, there's no other excuse for that. I was out knocking on doors this morning when the BK called me. So, I uh Uh on the uh Meeting Creek bridge, is that money does that money show up in here or is I know that they're not going to get to it till what next year? Meeting Creek is the Oh, that's that's something I've been asked a whole bunch of the last several days. The state's got that in their in their budget. So, unfortunately, that's still about 2 years out. That's the wooden bridge. Right. So, yeah. Um yeah, that's that's still going along. It's just taking a lot longer than what we would all like. How many 2 by 4s can you put on that bridge, right? So, it's uh I wouldn't want to put 2 by 4s on it.

[laughter] Yeah. I think we've uh talked about this one long enough, then. Let's get down to uh clarification on the the bridges. Uh there was some question about Gathur Station Road bridge as well as I think it [clears throat] Is it Horseshoe Bend or Horseshoe Road? I don't know. A Horseshoe Bend. I don't know which one it is. I've heard both of Horseshoe Bend is the only I know of.

Okay. Sounds like that. The 23602 I I understand 13602 is for that road and 100,000 is still for the Gates Gather Station project. Is the explanation. Mhm. Is that correct? Correct. All right. My my question on that is we had last year $270,000 budgeted, but $115,000 was transferred out. So, if I don't I don't I'm confused. Where would that go to? I don't If it was Uh uh why did we transfer out $115,000 is my question, I guess. It's on the bridge. Have you seen the bridge line? Yes. Uh 312100. Look at that ledger and what you They can they can switch it to other projects. Oh, it doesn't stay on a bridge project? You as long as they I mean they can switch it to another project. Okay. I'll get you that ledger so you can see where it is. I I appreciate that. Okay, we're good on that page? What's the contracts with government agencies? 314. 314 through 18. Contracts with government agencies?

No, that that was the uh It that's the LTAP contract. It was 15,000 last year. Okay. It's considered yeah.

And we brought that down a little bit because we don't need them to go out and look at every single road again. Okay. So, that's why it was brought down to $10,000. I just questioned because it it I guess it's a new line that y'all added because last year there was nothing in it. They transferred in 15,000. That's what's caught up. All right, it's getting close to what it is. I'm going to It's lunchtime. Uh you all want to uh finish the road department? We got another page on Well, I'm in Do you want to order something to have it delivered for lunch or you want to just work through lunch or how you want to do this? Subway. I'm fine with ordering. Yeah, subs fine. I'm with that. Somebody want to make the order? We'll just We're all chipping pay for it. Huh? I can do it. You can do it? All right. What we said, Subway? Eat French. Everybody like subs? Something different?

I don't I I don't I brought something. Yeah, don't worry about me. You packed your own lunch, huh? So we too good for you? No, it's not too good for me.

How you want to do it, Aaron? You want to Everybody give their order? Okay, we'll take a We'll take a uh let's take 30-minute break. And that way give us time to order and and come back in. All right. Uh 12:30? Yeah, and then we can just We can move when it gets here. That's where we're moving through this. You want to buy a truck? I was going to pick up Do you want [clears throat] to the catering stuff? Just cater I just like Coca-Cola. I know it's going to I know it's going to Something's not right. Yeah, I feel I don't know if you know I'm talking about siren siren. Oh, what's going to happen if you do it with siren?

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We had a concrete road. We do. We have one [clears throat] side, I think. I've driven it just recently. Charlie Trace, I think is what it is. Off of um Gil Hydromel Road. Yep. Okay. Thoroughbred Thoroughbred Yeah, up that direction. It's 44,000 to finish eight. And that's probably not for road, that's probably for something different. Concrete materials. Concrete materials. Culverts and different things. I have 13 in the middle. This is Jack County at me because recently I drove it. It's a concrete road. Okay. 594 Last year was 5,000 1381. This year it's reduced to 3556. So far we spent 22% this year. 1,118 Do we know what the safety supplies are? That's not signs or nothing like that.

it is. Just Signage like probably caution cones, stuff like that. [clears throat] They reduced it just to make sure we didn't use it all last year, so reduced it some. [clears throat]

I said we only spent $500. I can see taking it down to a couple grand. Um I think they had specific plans for that. There's a lot with some more signs and trying to figure out what Is that why it's a odd number? That and that's something else that stood out. It's 3,556. That's kind of an odd It's sitting in front of you. I think it was specific stuff that they had Is it something to use that they were going to spend? Maybe he's been working on He's been working on [clears throat]

Is that like hard hats and vests and that kind of stuff? Okay. Maybe signage for safety? Well, I thought that, but they said no. No? It's not Doesn't have anything to do with what he's done over on Collins Burgett, [clears throat] does it? It might be. Because I think Since we don't [clears throat] have an idea of what it's about and he apparently has a a project, maybe he can share that in a public works meeting to help us understand what he's spending it on maybe next time. We'll just leave that alone if it's okay with everybody else. Yeah, I think. I was curious about 340. The the difference there that 15,000 um Where are you at, Betsy? Um 340. Page 37.

The Yeah, [clears throat] we're still on page 37, I think. The vehicles the maintenance, repair, that kind of thing. Mhm. All the vehicles maybe? I mean, is it That's being pretty vague. [cough and clears throat] What did we spend last year on this line? Last year we spent 37,263.90. This current year we spent 37,263.90. And 63.90% There's Yeah, $3,700 still left in that account. Now we have spent 42,902. As of the end of May. Okay. It's also I need to Well, I think we just leave that alone. That's probably why that's increased. All right.

A lot of it is all the especially more because of the uh because of the ice and everything that we've had this year. repair maintenance tires and tires and more tires. Okay, page 38. Oh, can I say I want to go back to 37? Sorry. Uh so, we there is a line for road department signs. Uh 469, it's gone up from 20 to 45 thousand. That's one of the have specific There's a a requirement that we have not probably been We haven't got there yet. Yeah, on top of as much as we should and so there is anticipation that we are going to have to replace quite a few signs as we get into that. Wasn't we going to replace sign or something on Valley Creek Road? Wasn't there something about Valley Creek Road? Road signs. That is after that accident. It was guardrail and Guardrails, that's what I'm thinking. Okay, I'm thinking.

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Um, salt, do we have adequate money in salt? Well, they spent it. More than the year before. They reviewed it and it's anybody's guess we didn't want to put as much in as we did last year, but We But we towards the end like last month ago He just replenished He replenished He replenished it. We wanted to get it in order right. Yeah, okay. Yeah, so this year we so far paid out 306,707. Yeah. Through April. But it's full salt. Yeah, he bought some of this past year for this coming year. I mean it I won't be enough, but I'll just say Yeah, why not use any of it? The less you use the better. Okay. Well, if there's no snow. Exactly. But even with snow sometimes Timing. Okay, does anybody else have anything on 37? All right, 38.

[clears throat and cough] Computer software, I'm assuming they're going to have a great upgrade of some type. Went up two grand. They went up I work so I know they upgraded I work so I don't know if that's an issue there or I through IT. This software is there the pump software and we we got new in the part of the year. So, this is it's all software as a service. So, it's a monthly. And most of the rest of this is utilities.

Yep. Okay, 39. And then miscellaneous expense. Do you know what that is? Every department gets a thousand dollars.

thousand. I [clears throat] asked that on every one of them. I think so. Did you give them the same after each time? Yes, sir. All right. Just check. And on the road department equipment, you're going to see on later on in the budget where there's a skid [clears throat] loader and a dump truck. So, page 40. You've already all looked at this. Yep. Or should have.

Yep. He wants his thumb drives back, by the way. Just just just a reminder. We got to hear about that every time. Okay, and 41 is continuation of Jail and 42 is continuation of jail, which is basically 42 jail utilities. 44, that's three dump truck and skid steer. 44, we get back to that skid steer and a dump truck. Right, can I ask a question about on page 41? 549001, the the pool, the medical cost pool is is it uh I mean Okay, it's done. It's the monthly amount.

Okay, okay. [clears throat] Thank you. And hopefully we got at least three more checks coming. Yeah. the department a little bit. [clears throat]

Back to 44. Anybody has any questions about that? The LGEA asphalt, I guess was that some grant money or something? Was why so high in They [clears throat] just utilized it all for asphalt that year instead of getting equipment. Oh. So it's about the same amount. This time we're going Yeah, we're splitting Splitting it up. Mhm. [clears throat] That's less asphalt fully there, Kenny.

[clears throat] Page 45. That's grant money for the rapid response and projects. Nothing to see there. 46 is another page of grant. Unless there's [clears throat]

a question on uh Everybody Everybody needs to understand too on the scholar house that we're just being used as a pass-through on that. Yeah, all we like is the admin fee that's [clears throat] going into the projects Yep. And all the ARPA money will be done finished has to be done by the end of Okay. [clears throat] Page 47.

[snorts] Very first one there the um engineering services we [clears throat] transferred out looks like $250 and we used 38% according to this. Has that increased on yours? You talking about solid waste the landfill engineer?

323 Yeah, that is um Petrotech And according to the contract that we just ran through um it should be about the 58, but next year the um I'd like to still keep it at 75,000 just in case um the Republic Services is doing a lot more work. Uh they're wanting to maybe relocate some of the wells that they have on there or add more which would mean an amendment to the um permit. Um and we use Petrotech to kind of oversee that. So, we may or may not use it, but I think we should keep it in there just for that. But, this year we will [clears throat] have the savings of 75 to the And when are they going to do that? They're working on it now. Um they have they're looking at whenever their budget goes through. So, uh we're supposed to be They're saying sometime next fiscal year. Yeah. Are they going to remove vertical wells and put horizontal in or increase the number? I mean, what do you have any idea what the project want to be about?

[clears throat and cough] They told us they [laughter] I don't remember. It's a small zone in the vertical. It's It's whatever's Well, they're going away with the horizontal going in with the Yeah, I mean the vertical and going up with the horizontal. they can get in their budget on whether they convert it all, but there at least are going to be making some changes up on top. I think they were wanting to get rid of one of the wells over looking on the uh north west side. Um But anyway, [clears throat] they're But anyway, they're working on it and they're

just trying to get the scope as to what or not what's the engineering be. It It's hard [clears throat] to say. I mean, I I think it's it's significant and the there will probably be a change to the permit permit, so that will require more services than usual. How long have you guys been in the conversation about this? What? How long have you guys been in conversation about them changing the wells at With me? About last week? Last week sometime. I'm just trying to figure out why we never hear any of this in public works meeting. We We get no reports about the landfill. [clears throat] Well, we've had the guy in here before and he's given some updates. He hasn't been in there for a couple months, but I don't know that they really done much in the last couple of months. So, I mean, we can have

forward to it next week. Yeah, we can we can have them come in and describe what they're planning on doing. That'd be great. So, we have spent 32,263 for that month. 32 I think we already had them scheduled for this next time. It's been 32 through April. Unless uh you feel differently, I would just leave that alone. That's fine. Okay. [clears throat]

Landfill rock was spent nothing last year or this year. Um yeah, I think we can cut that down to 1,500. Which line are you talking about? 409-001 That's that's a I think last year the public paid for it. Uh but that has to be the uh-huh road to [clears throat] wash out but I think they paid for it last year. Used the wrong but that may not be that way this year. It's all along where the Sheriff's Road is and They had some extra I think available. Yeah, cuz they So no no guarantee that they will do that again. It's not part of their contract to do all that.

[clears throat] Believe it. They spent $50,000 out of that last [clears throat] year. Out of the rock? First year? Last fiscal year? Last fiscal year we we spent $50,000. It was big washout. Yeah, that was yeah. That was a big one. The whole road. Yeah, I think that

Yeah. Okay, um general construction materials uh nothing was spent out of that. Thousand. Looks like all these Yeah. All all 431-001, 441-001, nothing's been spent out of. We got road materials out there $5,000. [clears throat] I said I think the pH that auto that's on the way. Pearl Harbor Oh, Pearl Harbor Pearl Harbor We still we used [clears throat] to have a separate Springfield Road. Yeah, yeah, cool. So when you see S F that's [snorts] Springfield So the road materials, I mean road materials, how much were we using there? Let me see how [clears throat] much So far this year? Zero. I mean, technically, raw materials and rock could be the same. Right?

That's what I'm looking at. Is that a duplication or is that I'm do I think we can cut [clears throat]

And you got 5 6 7 10,000 dollars right there and you ain't used none of it. But she's saying that rock is Springfield and the other one's Pro Box. Right. Last year we So you would think that um We use out Springfield, we use all those uh buildings are for storage and It's just traveling out there. There's a lot of government stuff out there. Sheriff's in there. We have stuff from um solid waste. We now have emergency management storing out there. Or what they did.

[clears throat]

Yeah, it's rock. Well, I think we can cut at least one of those, some. 447? Cut that in half. Cut in half. What's the pleasure of everybody else? We haven't used it, right? No. Since zero's been used. Yeah, you got 10,000 dollars to switch around in the middle of those lines and That's cut in half. So I'm going to hear anyone to reduce that to 2,500? Yes. Yes. Clear. Yes. Okay, 447 reduced to 2,500.

[clears throat and cough] Petroleum we spent 47% up until I don't know what your [clears throat] report shows, Lisa. This is 47. Last year we spent about $4,400. On which one? Petroleum. Petroleum. 455. It's at 455. What was spent? Petroleum products?

455. Mhm. Uh 4,388.79. And why wouldn't we have raised that line up if we Oh, you're saying last fiscal year Yeah, I'm sorry. Yeah, I'm Yeah, what have we used today? Through April was 1,400. We've only used 1,500 today. Okay. So, I wonder what the why line Oh, we've used 1,400, sorry. We've still got 1,500 available. Used 1,400, have 1,500 available. So, they didn't spend any of this past month in April.

in April. So, we'll probably get some bills. And vice I mean based upon what it was last year, we probably might leave that alone. Okay. Yeah. Prices I mean we know what gas is right now. [clears throat]

Yeah. 815 Solid waste [clears throat] transfer went up to 5,000. We've spent 6,531 as far as my record shows what we do through April. I'm sorry, what line are you 315 It's 6500. 65 still? Okay. So, we spent just barely half over half through April. That's the free dump day. So, we're getting ready to have one. So, this month May. So, that will be spent some more How much you think I'd be I mean, what's it been average? We haven't had any. Okay. All right. Is the money spent so far just dump days? Yeah, that should be all that's in there, but But, how many dump days have we had?

We have two. Two total? Two or three. I thought it was two. Maybe it was three. I think we had three. I think it was three. You know, Judge. I think it I think it was three. I think it's quarterly. I think it was One, two, three. If you know, Judge. Three, [clears throat] and they average out about $10,000. Mhm. I wonder why we Unless we're hanging on doing an extra one or something. Why did we put it up up at the 15? No, I didn't. It depends to on how many people actually go out there, and I think those numbers have been up some, so we end up paying more money to make that happen. We spent 13661 last year, 13,000. 2007. Actually Yeah, there are more we Yeah. There's more traffic. There was this year. Leave that alone. Uh yes, sir. Uh her reports uh say that there's more and more. Yeah.

[clears throat]

H48 Contracts with private agencies, 10,000 spent nothing so far unless Lisa you have something different than 315. Read that advertising. I'm sorry. Okay, that's all right. Is it okay to go back up to real two you miss we want to talk to 315s. There's a big difference in it. Huh? We've only spent 212. Yeah, we've only spent $212 in that advertising. I don't know what we normally spend. Uh Lisa, can you see what we spent well she's had through April she's had probably quite a bit like that. Yeah, I'm just I don't know if it comes out of another line if there's another unit. Usually whatever she has in that line is capped up in uh grant revenue. I was supposed to say She doesn't spend any she doesn't spend anything extra. If she does any advertising for free dump day or anything that would be that free of two. So it wouldn't be part of the grant.

I'm just looking at We've only been spent 10% so she if she's [clears throat] advertising heavily then she's spending money from somewhere else or grant money or recycling grants. Yeah, there there's there's other advertising well all those grants. 212 was through the month of April so there's nothing spent out of advertising in April. But you give that last year's. 302 she spent uh last year she spent 28 19 16. Um 2,000

2,800 2,800 dollars last year. In that [clears throat] line. What's wrong? I'm just curious how we only spent 212 this year and 28 last year. It doesn't make sense. Yeah, 212 [clears throat] that's what I don't know what I mean. She

Right. She was talking about to ask him. Maybe some stuff coming up. I do know dump days coming up. Yeah, Lori has dump days is what I'm getting at. She's only spent $212. Makes sense. The main I don't know. What's your pleasure? She, like I said, she doesn't spend it unless it's for a grant in a grant somewhere. The last part. Most of it got cut out. That's why she didn't spend it. What? You spent $212. I mean, I know she's saying groups of you. So, you're saying cut it in half?

you're you're we spent $2,800 by the end of June. I'm fine with that. I can get a ledger to see the activity for last year so far. I prefer to do that than to have to guess [clears throat] what's going on. So, we're leaving it alone then for now? All right. All right, there you go. Contracts with private agencies. We've spent nothing out of that this year so far unless you've got a different 315. Cut that in half. Yeah, cut that in half. Yeah, we can cut it in half. What's the number? 315. Contracts with private agencies. Yeah, I'd say 10,000. That could be a lot of different things, but we're not we're not spending anything so far through April. Put it in half. Cut that 5,000. Sounds good. 245. 5,000.

[clears throat]

Office equipment we've spent $574 unless something's been spent. No. Office equipment? Mhm, 441 line. Actually, we didn't spend anything Zero. Transferred out, that's right. 574 transferred out. 549 That's a very small department. putting $9 to say 470. Unless they're due for some new equipment. [clears throat]

I'd cut that to 1,000. Mhm? I'd cut that to 1,000. So, 441, the suggestion is to cut it to 1,000. Yes, sir. Everybody else? You know, I don't feel comfortable with that because you know, we don't know if there's a computer or something, some [clears throat] kind of equipment that they're budgeting for that they need. And if we start cutting it like that Why would they budget it for it last year and didn't use any of it? it out.

Transferred some out. Transferred Transferred out. Something else. I mean, I'll go half with you if you want to go half. Half and half. But I don't think you need the 25. Well, 50. Split the difference. [laughter] Okay. Well, once won't twice. Any objection to 1250? It's not happening. I'm going to earn $50. Okay, is everybody good with 1250? Yes. 441 reduced That's what Kevin wanted. Yes, what he [clears throat] wanted anyway. Yeah, he knew you. He did he? Yeah. Okay. Don't bother with it. I don't see anything else on the page, do you?

Y'all good with that page? Page 49. Where is that miscellaneous? Oh, what's that for? It's solid waste 599. I didn't use that for their office equipment. [clears throat] Contended. Just want to point out the 911 fees. I just sat here and did the math. Currently, if it does if we do say that it's going to be roughly about $940 that'll be coming back to general. $940? Yeah. Just based on going through looking at the 911 fees. [snorts]

Not much, but Just in the general or you doing Just I I did solid waste. When I got to here and I went back starting going backwards. I have a question. 5217, 415. The diesel semi. On the recycling. Do we Do we have a diesel semi that we use? I thought somebody else picked that up. They do, but we have We had a tractor. [clears throat] And I think it went There's a contract they could use it to move the the trailers if I remember correctly. Yes, because we count it. Awesome. Anybody got anything? Hey, the 002 315002. We last year's budget is 675, this year is only 430. We know what that's about.

[clears throat and cough] I based it on the activity in town. And what we've This is good at training. We don't know. It's [clears throat] a guess. It's whatever they they do. Yeah, it's [laughter] the ins and the outs.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah, we don't make any money on that. Uh the 468 We've We've only used about 60% of that. I'm just wondering if we could knock that down to say 400. We still got a few months. What's April look like? Okay. That's kind of recycling grant money. That balances the grant money. Oh, that's grant money? Well, they have the recycling program. Yeah. Um Last year we spent uh 4568. Okay. Those are That's grant money for recycling. Okay. For honorary votes. What's that for? That's for the recycling grant. That's tire grants. I don't see anything else on that page, do you? 50 is zeros. That's a good page. 51. We've had a lot of discussion on this page on use [clears throat] of opioid phones on like line item 315, the VOA or you able to make Virginia on that list? And she said only about the drug It's about that. I get some another one out. Her Her response to [clears throat] me on it was that's a contract between her and the courts, but she ran it through fiscal

court for transparency. And she said we She told me uh uh we could cut it out, 60,000. So, just need to figure out how to do it. Right, [clears throat] but we have an actual contract. an MOA. through 2029. Like it needs to be in the budget until that is amended. But that's good. We do have a contract with them. Okay, did she [clears throat] She's not responded on that one to you?

No, she did not. She didn't respond back to me. And it's still on my note tab. Okay. Yeah, it's still on my note tab. Good back question. So, if I get that clarified and we can do that, uh that'll be an item to take out. Okay.

[clears throat]

So, we'll be adding the drug court for sure in these numbers. [clears throat] The other block down there is the uh rapid response. And I know that's up in the air. Uh so, but we have to have resolution to remove that currently, but right. But see if we can have that done before the budget, which we've had Now, I I know I personally have talked to Pat about it. I think there's too many issues with kind of how it's going currently. I would just send it back to committee, get reworked, and then come back to fiscal court to decide how we're going to move forward with it. So

So, that's why it's down in the contingency. That That 113 is basically the 90,000 that's in the original resolution. And no interest that portion of that phase goes toward that. So, I mean, doesn't mean it'll be moved if y'all decide not to do it. That's why we put it down there to make sure that we didn't allocate it So, in other words, it doesn't have any effect on our general budget, transfers, or anything. It can be handled. So, you can always put that savings or Right, it just won't be spent. It continues to be in the opioid fund. [clears throat]

Yeah, we can figure that one out later after it goes through committee and stuff. I'll be here for a moment there, but I go to that. Go to that. 52 is a blank. Which Which we've already done. [clears throat] 53 Okay, Karen. [clears throat]

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[clears throat] They have any issues? uh below the salary lines? Um 334, maintenance and repair of the building is at 5,000. Uh they transferred a thousand of it out and have not used any of it. Okay. [snorts]

I'm not sure that that still needs to be at 5,000 myself. Unless that's just a placeholder for somewhere else. Last year we used $7,859. Remodeling down there with the help of Lorraine.

[clears throat]

Well, if that was done last year, is do we anticipate continuing to remodel and or [clears throat] can that be decreased this for this fiscal year this coming up? We transferred a thousand out. This year or so. We've got down to the remainder. 4,000 left. Looks to me like it could be reduced to 2,500.

Seems like it could be. Do what? That's what I was thinking, 2,500. Kenny? Larry? All right, 334 reduced to 2,500. The next question was um um 441 the office equipment. It's at 8,000. They transferred out 1,300 and have spent uh 3,000. Building, can we get back to that?

Oh, sorry. Building. And there's tower buildings out there. I forgot about that. All of the cell tower buildings around 911 is responsible for that. A lot of that out there out of their budget. So, that's what that that 5,000

is for that. Yeah. That That still has money to You didn't spend it. transferring some out and spending none. Well, you have to be able to All of this doesn't transfer between the general fund. It is all within E911. No outside. Mhm. That's your contingency, yeah, or anything. It's all within cell. Looks like we're still at the office 25. I didn't say change in that, but just know what the That's what they requested. 3360 What they say? 3360 So, what did you say for it on 334? Keep it like it was. Leaving it five? Mhm. No, 2,500. Okay. That's what we said to reduce it cuz we just we just all went there. We got a clarification on what it was spent for.

[clears throat] So, the office equipment was at 8,000 and Yates got his finger in my way. We've spent uh 3,000 of that. I think that could go down to 5,000. How much has been spent so far, Lisa? In April? No, you're dealing with March. 441 [clears throat] Office supplies. Or office equipment, sorry. Not the custodial. They have the same number. You're looking at 336. Right, 336. [clears throat] No, no. He's looking at

No, I know where you're Is that one? No. No, I was looking at office equipment. I didn't notice them. 441, office equipment. $8,000. This year, this 45% of it this year. I think last year they had transferred stuff in the closing out. So, they they're way over on that one. $3,000 has been paid out since April. So, nothing was paid out in [clears throat]

But we've transferred out 1368. Yeah. I'd like to see it go to 5,000. Office equipment, 441.

441 441 Very bottom of the other I guess I want to explain something about the 911 budget, okay? We do the revenue, whatever that total is, and then his budget. Whatever is excess goes in the capital funds line. So, what whatever y'all reducing, it's going to be in charge of that that line. I don't understand. Okay, so I just want y'all to be aware that it's not going to lower his budget at all. it's not going to lower our budget, either. I understand.

No, it's not going to go into the at all. It's just that lowering that doesn't mean that he can't pull it from that capital line and put it back into as needed, but that's where it'll go. Makes sense. I think we're just kind of letting them know that we're watching their numbers and So, what 80 50 or 441 [clears throat] we want to cut it? I don't know. Nobody's Nobody else has said. 441 What was spent out of that? Nothing is transferred 1,300. What is No, they've spent 3,000. 3,000? Yeah, but they just transferred 13. Okay. And they transferred out 1,300. Almost 13 almost 14. So, they spent 1,600 out of that line, I guess, right?

The actual claims was for $3,005. They still have 300 3,626 left. After transferring 1,368. Cut it to five. That's what I said, but Our suggestion is to cut that to five. What What's your thoughts on it? I mean Okay. I mean it's I mean it's not going to I mean it's not going to make any difference. I'll tell you if they don't spend it, it'll just go into the capital equipment fund.

to replace chairs on occasion. And $2,000 on one dispatch chair. Yeah, one dispatch chair at 2,000. This [snorts] You know, I I guess if they don't spend it though and and that capital fund goes up You know, 911 [clears throat] fees and stuff are are dictated by needs, you know, and and I I know all this stuff is restricted and I understand it's restricted, but we still have to make sure that we're watching our pennies. That we don't have to increase the 911 fee. Yeah. So, I guess that's my point. That's what you're trying to say. Yeah. What What are we looking to reduce it to? I'm just saying 5,000 is basically the point.

[clears throat] Makes sense to me. Cut to five. I'm Yeah, good. I'm 41. 856 [clears throat]

I'd say cut it in half, but everybody else argues, so. What do you mean argues? What are you talking about? What bond? Uh 445. 445. Yeah, the whole page. Cut it in 445. It's 12,000. They transferred out 3,500. Spent 5,000. Which about leaves them a balance 2,800. 43,000 600.

2,800. But they They transferred out 3,500, so. Yeah, [clears throat] office supplies, not equipment or nothing, so. They spent last year almost 7,900. It's 2,000 transferred out. This year through April, we're at 6,100. I don't have some dollars or something. I'll meet you at the I was thinking 10, let's go nine. So, what's your suggestion? Cut it to nine. What are the rest of you thinking? I'm thinking that you know, if we cut it, I'd I'd rather see it at 10 than nine, but if we cut it. 9,850. I mean, it's still going to be there.

Nine or 10. I'll I'll I'll meet Patsy at 10. 10. 10 [cough] 10 10. Just 10. 10. He's just being hard on Patsy. No, I'm hearing down there. [snorts] [clears throat and cough] Anything else on that page? I'd like to cut the refunds down a lot. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm. [clears throat]

Uh I'm just I'm curious on 566, uh reimbursement. Now that they have a vehicle, that I would think that would go way down. No, they go to training and they're reimbursed for Oh, oh, okay. I'm sorry. I thought it was I was thinking Well, you got a training line down below the 750. This is remember hotels, I guess. Mhm. [clears throat]

Looks like they put No, but we were significantly over on refunds this year. So. It'd be nice to get those down. Okay. Okay, rest of it's utility. 57. Mostly utility. 58. Re-fresh looks good. 707. 707. Or say they just had that

Oh. last fiscal year. of this. [clears throat] Yeah, but there's another way we can do it in a couple years. Within like two years.

584 the propane expenses, they spent $320. And we're not going to need We wouldn't think we would unless generator goes down. Seems That's That's what they're there for. That's what they're for. Yeah. It's for the emergency of the towers. That's for more than one tower. Yeah. Yeah. Last year and quite a bit of time. 707 we didn't use any of Last year we were fully generating electricity. Yeah.

[clears throat] Time to hurry up and go get here tomorrow. [laughter]

Dinner time. That's what happens when you I got a protein bar, but I got a coffee. I got half of what I already have. I'll be good. Everybody good on 58? Yeah, I think it's It's a smooth transition. 31 is the one that will be increased by all the stuff that we just reduced. Repeat that. I'm sorry. The 741 capital improvement fund. Everything you just reduced will be added to that one. Okay. Thank you. Industrial tax page.

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I have one question. Computer software therapy fund Yeah, it won't be until it's the same I pay at the same time cuz it's part of the same group as the financial group. Finance department. So, it gets paid last part of May first part of June every year. And then 315001, the private agencies. What's PRV? Is that just private again or Yes. Cost repair valve. Auto repair valve. [laughter]

You said the PRV just means private again? That means previous.

Previous. Previous. So, that's the previous money like the 50,000 Yeah, that's what the judge wants to speak on. Yeah. Yeah, it's um So, that's a combination of three items to prepare for a building at the uh for the emergency service building in Glendale. So, 30,000 um conceptual design study. 10,000 estimated for geotechnical exploration and 10,000 for topographic and utility survey. Uh these are all things that got estimate on from Brandsetter Carroll Incorporated, company that does this all the time with these types of buildings and uh So, this is was the uh recommendation to prepare and to have all the stuff ready for whenever we decide to put a building out there. And it also helps whenever you're going after maybe some more money. Um as y'all know, we got 6 and 1/2 million set aside. Uh it's going to cost more than that for that building, so you know, we're going to have to figure that out at some point. But, this will help us to uh provide a lot more information and say we're ready to build. We need We just need to figure out how to fund it. So, that's what the 50,000 will be for next year is to do all that. And it's coming out of the old ordinance, the one that is just that one that's just

Just for the Glendale area. Glendale that has the 7,000 7,000 was in there for I mean, I'm using old money that makes sense if that's the direction we're going, but I just put the cart before the horse again. It's $500 I think it's $500 or $550 a square foot to build for two service building. That's I'm just And I know I know you're just talking about the design aspect of it, but I mean, it's I think we're starting to paint a picture of how expensive the fire and everything else is going to be. So.

the building itself, I mean, what we asked for was 13 million. That was including fire equipment and everything. I know, but once you build it, then obviously that means you're going to have to build it or it's going to be sitting there, which again, I think if we're going down that route like you you asked the question a second ago, means how we're going to how we going to fund it? How are we going to pay for it? And I think if we can figure that out, you don't need to We've got We've got six and a half million dollars set aside that will become available next July. Okay, not this coming July, but next 2027. So, I mean, this is the direction that we're headed. And this just helps us to if nothing else, to help us get more money by showing that we are ready to build. Okay? As soon as we can figure out how to fund it, the rest of it of the funding. So, it's it's just really trying to get ready for what's going to happen at some point. It's also for a scalable building because the big plan with the 13 million was helicopter pad, ambulance space, emergency management. The idea is to at least get firehouse and uh ambulance and these engineers thought anywhere between six to eight, you can do that. So, it's uh So, there's

progress to find out. I think my position is we cut this out until we identify funding and what we're going to do with emergency services. 6.5. 6.5 already.

done and get all the studies and get the exact amounts, put it in phases, you don't know. So, you're saying we're going to build a building and just let it sit there? What What do you mean? I think what they're saying is if we don't know how we're going to pay for the people to be inside of it, why would we start direction of the building? Well, we're going to have to figure all that out. Well, and that's Once we figure that out, then then we can do all these steps. These are steps that have to If we're going to use a 6.5 million dollars, Mhm. we can spend 50,000 dollars to help us get the rest of the money. This This is stuff that will not be wasted. 50,000 [clears throat] dollars won't be wasted money. These people also estimate going through all the whole construction so they can give me the prices of the design build and words. Um So, you if you don't start and get this, how you going to know how to spend the 6.5? Can you get the 6.5? What do you do? I don't know. You know. To me, it's just

working on the rest of it. That 6.5 million dollars is tease money as far as I'm concerned because once we get that money in, then it says to to the state, we're going to go forward with this. How many millions of dollars is it going to cost to do this? That's what I I have never seen anybody present anything on what the total cost is going to be to taxpayers cuz we're going to have to fund it with taxes. Yes, the study, I mean it I know what the study said. It said it's millions of dollars that it was going to cost to fund a full-time fire. Is like a million dollars a year? I think so. It's going to be added a million dollars a year to this thing. That's after you get That's after you several million dollars worth of trucks and suits in there. That's after the equipment. That's still actually That's where the money is.

is the building going to cost? How much is all the equipment going to cost? And do we even want to do it? I mean, how did our commitment to all the things we did down there with BOSC? How did that work out for us? So, and then when we tried to talk with them about our occupational tax, we got nowhere with them. We got nothing, no consideration. So, I don't even I don't even know if we even have decided we're going to do it. The first The first thing we're going to have to do is figure out how we're going to pay for it. I want to know that before I spend another nickel. Personally. We've got We We have got How much money do we have in the pile of pile money right now? How much we have? 7 million? 8 million? Okay, somewhere along in there. I mean, we we have the money right now to build the building and get the fire equipment. The money is there. It's available. So, you know, we can talk all day about that we don't know how we're going to spend it or how we're going to how we're going to do it. But every year this is just this is this is 50,000 to get to really to [clears throat] get started. But every year our budget increases. I don't think our budget's ever gone down. But you know, our current employees typically inspect cost of living or and or stepping rate, right? That's going to continue to grow. Our revenues do not grow at the same rate that our expenditures do. That's why it's not truly a balanced budget. It is a balanced budget, but go ahead. Balance on money that's not physically going to be here every year for remainder. But the point but I the point that I've been trying to make is if you're you're wanting to go through with this whole concept is and again, I'm not I personally not against maybe having the designs or something part of that, but I just it's never been been presented from you

or anybody else of how we're actually going to fund this moving forward. We already have to increase our budget for the extra ambulance down there. That was roughly half a million dollars down in White Mills, right? So, we're going to keep adding and adding another station, well, that's at least half a million dollars. It's I think based on the study it's like 1.5 just to the house uh three full-time firefighters. You say half a million? No, 1.5. [clears throat]

It's it's it's in the study, wherever I mean we can look at it. You start adding that to our budget. Again, it's it's you're going to eat up funds that you're talking about is whether you deem it, Freddy, whoever deems that money to be recurring for for life, it's it's going to go by real quick, especially when we start giving raises. And you start adding cola and everything else that we have to. Thing that's changed, recently changed, okay, is that that that emergency service building in Glendale that we got the land, we've got uh utilities that will be there by the end of the year to that piece of property. Um Um we Who's paying for the utilities? Ar- It's ARPA money that went to wa- water district two and they're they're working on it now, so it'll be before the end of the year, pretty soon, next several months, I think. So, piece of property is there, it's it's ready. And then but the vision it was basically a vision up until this legis- legislative session where we get $6.5 million set aside for this building in Glendale. Okay? It was out there, it's something that we were asking for. We asked a lot of stuff, jail being the, you know, uh being the biggest thing and we didn't get anything out of that. But this is something that we did get. Six and a half million is nothing to sneeze at, right? And this goes a long way to help us move in the direction that this the study and you know, just kind of common sense says we need to move in this direction as a county to provide fire service to What about the entrance to this uh to the road in front? Like, you know, it's it's middle of the Go ahead. You mean to get to the pad? No, not even No, the actual building you've got to go

through the main entrance to No, you just pull in and you take a left before you get to there. Yeah, that entrance. So, if there if there's people blocking it, like has that been discussed, has that been looked at? Like, it's shift change and there's hundreds of people leaving, potentially, you know, several hundred people. Right. Right. You know, what what kind of stuff does that look like or is there not direct access to the road in front instead of coming in No, no. We have to get off on the side. And I I could see issues for getting it and if it's an EMS building for now, sure. We're already paying a lease right down the road, that makes sense. But So, at the

Some of those questions can will start to be answered as we start to do more studies [clears throat] with this type of money, $50,000. But um you know, I I can't see This is the put out there's a budget. I mean, it's We obviously aren't going to spend it without a contract, right? I mean, if you guys decide, hey, we we don't want, you know, we need more information or we, you know, don't feel like we're ready to to spend the 50,000, then it won't be spent. I I personally, I'm not going to be anybody else. It's the fire side is what concerns me right now. It's the cost of the full cost of what that would look like is having a full-time fire. Right.

Now, having a building that is EMS or something, I could see we currently have the staff for that. You know, that might be a little different. What are you saying? You know, I You know, the only thing I don't understand is we talk about a building in Planedale. This was never a topic of conversation till Blue Oval came along. This EMS was part of what this was talked about. So, what's the purpose of this building? Really? I mean, when you get down to it, it was it's it's all in this one big package is when Blue Oval came to town. And so, you know, there's other things that we can do as far as fire service. We talked about it earlier when we talked about the position. Maybe working with the our cities. I'm I just think we're getting the cart before the the horse here and we I I am committed I'll go down that hill until somebody shows me how much it's going to cost and know how we're going to pay for it before I move forward. It's it's hard to get an exact cost until you have gone through the study and you come up with the conceptual design and then you and you can put out for some estimates with that. Right now, I we don't have a drawing of the building. We don't have you know, we don't really have it pulled together enough to even get a solid estimate. I mean, we know basically how much square foot and we get this type of building costs basically in the in the you know, in the in the realm of six and a half seven eight million dollars. I guess big picture if you put a concept out a concept drawing out there like this is what it's going to look like it insinuates to everybody in that area or whoever hey we're doing this. Like I I think what Fred's probably trying to say is why can't we figure out how we're going to pay for it before we even put the concept of this is what we want to do.

we don't have the revenue to pay for it so we're going to have to generate revenue somewhere. Where are we going to generate the revenue? We've got the we've got the money out there sitting right now in reserves. Okay to build a building but not to staff operate it. Oh yeah there's still money in there left so After that. I guess the question is for me is what taxing mechanism we're going to use to sustain it cuz it's got to be sustainable. What would that tax look like? How high would that tax be? How much will it generate? I think all those questions are answers or or we need those answers before we can move forward. We do not have those answers and we're talking about putting fire coordinators 50,000 here. We've done did studies. I don't want to do any more until we get serious about how we're going to fund it and if we're not serious about funding it then there's no sense to doing any of this other stuff. We can talk about using the eight million dollar pilot and all that and build a building but then we got a nice shiny building with nobody in it. We got to pay for the people in it and be able to pay year after year. And until we know how to do that I don't want to move forward with any of it. Those are the discussions that we should be having is how we're going to pay for stuff before we go do stuff. This is just the beginning [clears throat] of it to put it in the budget in case we want to do it. I think we should but we may not if if we can't get some of your answers, okay? So I'm in favor of cutting it. Agreed. I believe you do need a design because you're talking about it's going to cost 6 million or 8 million. It may be 13 million, you know, it until you get a design, how do you know how much money you need to build it? I agree we don't need to build it until we can staff it, but we need to start from something. I mean, we're guessing it's

you know, whatever we're guessing at 8 million, we've got a the pop the boss pilot money, the state's giving us 6 and 1/2 to build a building there. To me, we need something to decide you know, what it what it's going to look like and how much is, you know, better cost estimate. If Federal government gave Louisville a bunch of billions, too, and they got Kentucky 1, Kentucky 2. Kentucky 2 is empty. Nothing in it. Nothing's going on. So, a lot of money spent, nothing going on. And until the the citizens of this community understands where we're going with this and until somebody tells me what the special taxing district or the insurance premium tax looks like, how much money it's going to generate, who it's going to come from, incorporated or the whole county, there's a lot of hoops to jump through before we get there. And I want to be honest with everybody of going through this process. What we're talking about is not $50,000. We're talking about millions of dollars that we going to have to come up with revenue. And I I I like I said, uh until we come up with that, I'm I'm for not moving forward on anything. I don't think anybody's saying no to it.

It's We're saying no to this until we know how to move forward, how we're going to fund it, sustain it. I mean, so it's it's not that we're not for expanding emergency services. I mean, I I do agree we have the funds there to build a building. Yeah, that's It's the operation that is my concern moving forward. Well, you got to put equipment in the building, too. A fire truck, how much a fire truck cost? 1.5 million. Well, how about 1.4 million?

in the 13 million dollars. So, I mean, it's The building's not 13 million dollars, okay? So, that's a combination of all of the fire equipment and other equipment and everything to do with the structure and getting all that done. Uh thankfully, we already have the land. We don't have any expense there. So, um Anyway, I mean, it's I think it's a mistake not to move at least and get this much uh investment into it. The state has done a pretty significant thing in providing us 6 and 1/2 million dollars that will show up in July of 2027. I think $50,000 investment next to 6 and 1/2 million dollars is reasonable to move forward with it. At least get it in the budget and we can talk about it how to do it or when to do it uh in upcoming months. That's all I'm asking. With your pleasure. I've said my my piece. I've said my [clears throat] piece. No. I feel like if we put it in the budget and we move forward with the 50,000 that we're basically saying we're going to you know, we're going to come up with the money somehow, which magically, which to me says taxes. Um And I'm not ready to move forward with it at this point.

[clears throat] But the 6.5 million is going to cost us in the long run. year to get for, you know, and So, so then we need to get serious about getting some numbers to us if if if Well, if Well, part of this If we figure out a way and let us know. You don't need this to tell us what tax we

Figure out a way to pay for it. No. So, the confusion you're saying is cost of the building and stuff like that. Well, I need We need concrete. substantially Yeah. employees and everything. We could I I mean, I'm a great I agree with Kenny. Like if we're moving forward, I do agree you have to have a concept. But again, I've I've been saying that I think we have to have the end result as far as how we're going to pay for everything. And the 6.5 comes with strings, which is staffing it.

And I'm not against that. I I am not against expanding our mercy services by any means. If if they put in there like, "Hey, you have to have um you have to have fire service, you know." Then right now we have to figure that out. But if we're allowed to at least use it for EMS, now that's a different discussion. Cuz I mean, we we have different stations that we've been looking at trying to work on our time. You know, there's different things I still think we could maybe utilize with the hopes that it grows into something else. Maybe there's a different avenue we look at with that. But um why can't we treat this the way we do with the EMS equipment? Take it out for now. Like when you come in and actually say like we just discuss a little bit more either in mercy services or something. We can always put it back in next year. Beginning of the beginning of the year. Has anyone even discussed [clears throat] how we would approach a special tax and district? Are we going to do it from a fiscal court standpoint? Are you going to allow petition? I mean, have have we even just gone that far? There's a couple of years here that we have. We can't even begin to build a building at the very earliest until 6 and 1/2 million dollars shows up from the state, okay? So, it's gone from vision to a project now. So, this is uh that's where we're at. And [clears throat] so now, um in 2 years, if you could build it in a year, so we're talking 2 years minimum that we have to have staffing. And where's that money going to come from? Well, things can change in the next 2 years. I mean, I'm I'm still I'm still hopeful and I'm going to be putting everything I've got into trying to get some um something done with the jail, okay? That's not a done deal. It's done It's done this year, but it's not done for next year. And I'm, you know, if we could just if we can even get two $2 million taken out of our budget for the jail or even 3 million,

there's funding right there for staffing. Okay, so doesn't necessarily have to be uh another tax to do this. If it's not a judge, if it's not a it's not a strategy. You know, we I want to know how much it's going to be, what percent of tax it's going to be, if there's going to be a tax, and it would take to fund [clears throat]

this project. I mean, not the project, but to the longevity of it. Even after if we get the funds to build it, I just need to know how much it's going to to cost us to fund it throughout and how we're going to pay for it. That's all I'm asking. And if you can come up with that and when the people are good with that and commit everybody's good with that, then we can we can move forward on these things, but Okay. You you can We can We can pull the money out with a a budget amendment if we need to, I suppose, to make this happen next year. I would just prefer to have it in the budget so I don't that I to talk about it again. Through a budget game. I guess another clarification uh you know, it was kind of a surprise.

It was a surprise to me that we were even getting 6 and 1/2. I didn't know that was a request. And I think So, we haven't talked about this building in the last 3 years. No, we've talked about it, but we've never talked about funding anything in in regards to it, but just bringing out and saying, "Hey, oh yeah, you know, they they gave us Um I mean, when you're asking for something like this, I mean, this was let's just call it We asked for 13 million, okay? I didn't even know you asked, and I know it

Well, it was in a a whole big list of things that we're asking our legislature, but you know, this is what one of the things in the list. And um It It came through, okay? So, it's something that we need, and it's something in the future, and it's It was a Let's just say a very uh pleasant surprise would be [clears throat]

you know, not saying enough about it. It's a very exciting surprise. We got an email request from Matt Dene's off- Matt Dene's office. It was during the heat of all the budget battles, and I had to go online and under certain things that we wanted, what was our request, go online, let them know what we wanted. I had 2 days to do it in 100 words and a dollar amount. And that's when I put in the the 13 million and attached what we had there, which was also the first year hiring people, salaries, everything. And he was disappointed that he didn't get the whole 13. But, that's how fast this happened. I also had a bunch to Brett Guthrie's office. I don't know if you want that. I had a bunch of other ones that we all sent out at the last minute of all of our wish list that Keith had come up with earlier with all the department heads on what could be used. And you know, there were ambulances. I tried for a fire truck. That was one of the one of the grant things. So, we tried. We may still get some of this other stuff.

up against going for money, but I mean if if we just throw something out there and and again, I'm I don't want to be far-fetched cuz I don't want to but if [clears throat]

if if we weren't even aware of and then all of a sudden we're now being asked to make a decision on a budget that is going to impact every single citizen. No matter how you slice the pie. For longevity, moving forward. Because you made an ask, it now affects how we have to make a decision. And that's that's the position that we're I'm not not frustrated that you made the request. Like that's not it. But it's there's no solution for taking care of it. It's like buying a puppy, right? It's so exciting. You're going to get a puppy for your family, but then how you going to pay for the puppy? How you going to make How you going to pay for the you know, the vet bills as it comes along? And and I know it's you don't want to compare the two, but it's it's a concept. If you're not prepared to take care of it and you don't have the time for it, you don't have the money for it, why are we that far ahead? Why can't we figure out how we're going to take care of it first? Well, it sounds to me like we just we need to talk about this in committee. We need we need we need the information and we need the transparency and the knowledge to know what you guys know and we don't. And and this has a little bit further to go before we before I'm ready to commit to I think we did talk about it all along. I I I we're not all along. I I don't like the idea that there's been a lack of transparency in this building. I mean, we've got we we we voted to put get that that that piece of property out there. I mean, it's I mean, this has been a three and a half year long process. Okay? Now, this this got stepped up. We just

Well, that's what I'm talking about. The step-up process. This is all new information. The step-up process. I'm not talking about Yeah, we've talked about it, but there's a lot of things that have happened recently that we need to be made aware of cuz what you've just shared a lot of it with us right now for the first time. And and that's what I'm saying it needs to it needs to be it needs to go into committee and we need to talk about how we're going to pay for this. When I looked at this line item, it said [clears throat] industrial tax contracts with private agencies. I didn't know what that was. I had to go ask and then I found out it was for the the building. So the the the whole point. We We need to We need the whole whole plan laid out to where we can understand funding as well as uh uh I want to know how it's going to affect the taxpayers before I move on it. Am I hearing from everybody same thing to take this out of the budget and bring it to committee and start getting a plan together as to what the whole thing's going to look like and do it at warp speed because we we've got a timeline to to deal with. Mhm. Is that what I'm hearing? I I need I need some responses from people. I think that Yes. That's what I just said. My mind is changing. I've been told you. All right. You know I think I'm kind of going along here with Kenny. Before you Before you get all the engineers you all wanting, don't we have to spend some money to hire an architect and some drawings or we got to start somewhere. Not on the funding part, Larry. We're talking about the funding part. Operational

Operational costs like annual budget. What What we're doing today. In the future if we have We have the building. We have the fire trucks. We have the crews. We have everything that's in place. How do we pay for it and what it's going to do to this budget? And you said one time before you'd never vote for another budget unless or any tax increase unless we had a balanced budget. So, we want to make sure we can balance the budget. I'm still with that. I you know, I don't know I'm I don't know maybe I don't understand what I don't understand how you're going to get to where you all want to be without spending some money to find out what all this is. It's just a But that's my question. I mean can we You all disagreeing on the spending the 50,000 to find out We're talking about not spending any money from what most of us have said until we find out how we're going to pay for whatever we end up with.

Well, how are you going to find out how to pay for it if you don't know what you're looking for? Larry, I I I may be wrong, but the way I see this um it'd be great if we could move ahead with the building, but building a building is going to sit there like half of the half of the uh will empty. We we don't need to do that until we know how we're going to sustain those programs that are going to come out of that building. We've not done that groundwork yet, so maybe we don't need to move ahead with the building until we have some of the groundwork done. What you're all what I'm hearing you all saying you all just want to sit here and sit here and sit here and sit here without knowing what kind of money we're looking at or what kind of figures we're looking at or anything. I don't That's what we're asking for are the figures. How are you going to get that if you don't start somewhere? We're talking about the funding figures, Larry, not the building figures. I know, but We're talking about the people, not the building. This move is a commitment to huge expenditures on an ongoing basis that we don't have a mechanism to find right now. I'm not ready to go that way. And I don't feel that that's what this is. This is for the or concept? But see, where are we designing a building that we don't have any anything to support the work that's going to come out of that building? If we can't afford it in the future, why are we going to start?

Why are you spending the money? Why would you spend the money on it? It's one month. It's like building a school with no teachers. And no ability to pay for the teachers. We're not building the building. We're only getting the concept or design and an estimate to see what it costs.

and I said I would I'm okay with that. Nobody's against that. What it says is all we're asking is tell us how you're going to pay for it. That's all we want to know. How are we going to pay for it? Ain't going to pay for the teachers before you build the school. If I had $50,000 that I was just laying around here, because of my commitment to what I believe may be best for our county, we we need a higher level of emergency services. We we need to get there. If I thought this would get us there efficiently and have us with a system that would um be set in place to provide for the ongoing expenditures that'll be required by it, I'd move that direction. I don't see this getting us there yet. So, I I don't want to commit to spend that $50,000 and see it blown into the wind.

We don't have all of our answers. So, I guess my question is as the vision you're talking about the vision. You all had a vision for it. Is it is it going to be, you know, the county vision like team team Harden vision like something that we're all because I feel right now we haven't really had a say in You know, I mean, it's not like this is all new information all of a sudden. No, it's not that it's new information, but the information in there strictly says that you're going to have to change how you fund it. And that's again back to this whole conversation how are we going to fund If you can tell us regardless yes, I do think this would be the right way create an you know, get the drawings and go forward. And not against trying not trying to get the money. But again, even if you did this, and we got to we got to find what's in it. I think that's what we're all saying. So, what I hear from everybody is to take the 50,000 out of this budget and get a plan in place before we move forward. Is that what I'm hearing from everybody?

That's what I'm saying. a couple of you. [clears throat] I don't think I don't want anybody to leave in this meeting saying that we're against of of our emergency services. That's not it. We just want to make sure that what we do, we do it right and we can fund it. This is a vision far beyond the building. It's a service, which will be an ongoing expense, and that vision needs to be practically applied with numbers and where funds are going to come from.

How many firefighters do you plan on putting in there right now? Don't know. We looked at a couple different options there. Okay. So, how much is it going to cost for those firefighters? My best estimate I got was a million dollars a year in wages. Okay. But you don't know how many firefighters, so how do we know how much that costs? That that's I don't remember I don't remember what was in that. I just remember the million dollars. I'd have to go look back and look go and look at it.

that aspect when we come together, At least a starting place, that's what it was. support and come up with what that would look like. Yeah. And then, wherever you propose that we pay for it, that side that we're that we're asking. It's not that we're not trying to do it cuz I would probably venture say every single one of us is in favor of, you know, supporting No doubt. It's yeah. I think we all agree that that it's it's it would be grand. It would be great. [clears throat]

We just don't know how we're going to do it. Okay. So, all right. Consensus is remove that from the from the budget and we're going to get to work on it in Emergency Services Committee. Is that what I'm hearing? Okay. I don't see anything else on that page. Does anybody else? And I'm assuming the refunds have gone down because it's kind of straight seat back to more normal. We just came projecting what the refunds are going to be. So, if something comes in large, we have time to We have to do a budget amendment with the game. The world time and control of that payout. Is it adequate or I just want to think it's adequate enough. I feel like that in the future it'll be a budget amendment. That takes place. I'll just leave it as it is. Okay. Are we good on that page? Oh. Legal fees back to this the 332-001. It's 5,000 for legal fees. We've been paying out legal fees. That's why it's Is it from the previous It was this year. Industrial tax. Got you. Yeah. We good?

The last page. Nothing there. We get down to uh addressing the uh budget request for grade changes and uh salary increase. Yeah, but the food's here. You want to take a short break? Everybody gets your food and get get it down so we can talk. It's 2:03. Let's uh at 2:18. 18 15 minutes. Sounds good. Okay. I don't know what we're looking at next. I don't know. All right. This is proposed this 15 grade changes. I don't

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So, what's your uh What's your response to the the request? Pardon me? 1% and a step. 1% Cola and a step. What's everybody else is thinking? Is that Is that what we're talking about first, just the Cola and the steps? Are you saying one step across the board? Just one step for this discussion. Is that One step across the board and 1% Cola. We'll talk about grades. I mean um the individual stuff in a minute. Okay. Yeah, okay. Yeah, I'm good with that. Yeah, I'm good with that. That's um You're talking about the Do you say from 2% to 1% is that what you're saying?

It's 1.7% now, okay, by the way. It's a new information. That Um we have the uh it may be our our health insurance contributions by our employees. You see correct me if I'm wrong here. Uh I can I can summarize it by saying that every single one of our employees are going to lose 1% of their Right. [clears throat]

to this uh health insurance contribution. And there's some employees I believe there's um that will lose 2% hazardous tier one employees. Hazardous maybe 13 employees that will lose 2% of their pay. All right, so Are you going to pass that out there?

Yes. Okay. So, you'll see what I'm I'm [clears throat] talking about here. So, uh we We had heard that this this was in the works and uh and it's it's one of the reasons that I went with 2% cola. I was at the end of the day to summarize. 1% of that cola is really not a cost of living increase. It's to It's to put back their I guess their salaries back to where they're starting at you know, even, right? So, that's that's what uh I wanted to make sure that you all understood what's going on with uh the pay for our employees. So, really in essence uh when I'm saying 2% cola, they're really just getting 1%. And even there's 13 employees that are getting zero percent increase in their pay. Um They'll get the step. Right? That's what I was going to say. Yeah. As far as the cola goes. Yeah. Ev- Everybody's going to get their step, right? You know, as they typically do, and that's more of a a merit increase. It's, you know, not a huge amount of money, but it's uh it helps. So, um just to try to stay up with inflation, another 1% on top of that, in essence, a net 1% um you know, that that's really what's going on here. So, I don't I don't think it's being excessive whenever you've got inflation year of three, you know, 2.7% or something like that. That uh to give them this one this 2%, which uh in essence nets out at 1%. Anybody have any questions about that? Did I say that right, Lisa? Okay. That's money that's going to go into

their retirement account, right? No, the health insurance never gets it's it's paying for post-retirement health insurance. If you retire out of the system, you'll get it, but you won't get this 1%. It doesn't It doesn't accumulate like the 5%. No. Now, I'm just saying though, this is not money they're going to lose if they retire from the state government pension plan. This is money that's been They're just having to they've increased the liability to the employee toward the retirement plan, correct? It's For the for the for the health insurance portion. Mhm. Yeah, that's all. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm But in essence though, Brett, this this is money out of their pocket, Yeah, I I understand, but it's it's not money that's going to be lost in the end result.

It depends on when they you see, you know, get their pension. That's Yeah. Well, it's part of coming to work for county government, too. I mean, you just we have a pension plan, and uh I think the state shifted the burden to the employees to help their situation in this case, but But anyway, the uh It's shafted us again. Yeah, it's a it really is. Mhm. Another cost. Lisa, [clears throat] do you know how much 1% saves the county? Can't hardly tell. It's It's 200,000, right at that. Per percent? Per percent. Yeah, 110,000 per percent. 110 It's 200 It's 200,000 per 1%. I was 110, what We calculated that this week somewhere. You gave me a figure. Let's see where is it? Blaine McKinney, I thought you need office. 200 2 200 So, 2% uh we're talking about $400,000 increase in expenses, budget expenses.

[clears throat]

Okay, that's That's That's That's No, that's not it. That's not it. Okay. All right. I think No, again, we're all the time fighting uh against other competitors for good employees, and we can spend a whole lot of time, and we do spend a whole lot of time in training new employees. Turnover rates are are hard to handle. Um if at the end of the day, we're not keeping up at least with inflation, it's not good. It's not good for our services. It's not good for our people. It's not good for our citizens. Okay, That's That's about as simple as I can put it. So, if I can add something, we were all excited in December when we got the notification from retirement that our our contribution rates as the employer went down. So, basically, what the current rate is is for non-haz is 18.62 and hazardous is 35.73. And the rate changed to non-haz at 17.43 and hazardous 34.72. So, basically, it's a one or a little over 1% that we have in our budget as a savings. Just wanted to kind of point that out.

Yeah, I forgot about that. It's like about 165 164 164,959 dollars. So, we did we get we got a break on one side, you know, that's coming in and [clears throat] one one way to look at it is we take, you know, 100,000 of that and put back into our employees because of their 1% that's coming out of their pocket. So, [clears throat] that's both sides of the uh equation. [clears throat]

First thing I heard was 1% and um a step. We honestly Yeah, you know, with the budget being tied, I was at step only till I learned about this and then that's when I come to step plus 1% to help offset that. So, that's I'd already taken that into account with my Step one. Step and 1% is where I'm at. I'm torn. I'm at um step one solid, but I I there's any way at all that we could do the 2% Cola, I would be good with that, but you know, I just want to I guess play off what Judge Hall said. We have great [clears throat] employees. We all know that. They wouldn't be here if they weren't, and and they do a good job, and I know that the you know, the stepping grade is is something that they were pretty much not promised, but but something they could count on, so to speak, to that they would get that every year. I look at the Cola as as what it is, a cost of living. And [clears throat] everything has just gone up so tremendously. We all know that, and and I know it's hard, and it's hard for these young families, and I come back and I think about the average family. And what they struggle with, you know, putting food on the table, caring for their children, that kind of thing. And that is where I am torn, because I think about that family and those employees, which we have a pretty good percentage of across the board at what you would consider average type salaries here at county government. You know, they're [clears throat and cough] not all department heads, they're not all

supervisors, but they're all working just as hard, and they're all coming to work and and and showing loyalty and dedication, and I would think about what is it going to cost us if we have to retrain and and, you know, rehire folks in those positions because the ones that we have that have been loyal and dedicated for so long maybe take another position some someplace else out of need, out of necessity, not because they want to leave. So, that brings me back to the stepping and and the 2% cola. Um got a feeling sitting here right now that I'm I'm in a minority, but I just have to say that that I'm always going to champion for the employee who obviously wouldn't be here if they were not capable and knowledge and experience. So, I trust that their their supervisors know they have a good employee and and try to keep them here and and I will do my best to to compensate them for what they're worth and I'm I'm leaning towards the step and grade and the 2% cola. Step and grade and 1%. I'm all I'm all I think we need to take care of our employees. So, I'm I'm going to stick with the 2%. You're You're one. I want to remind everybody to look at this chart that was in the presentation. It's the salary increases over the years and I'm and I'm I'm 100% behind the employees, but we also have to be mindful of why we're here today. It's a budget discussion. So, I just wanted to point that out.

It's continued growth. You got to pay cost of inflation prices, too. I get it. It's a hard [clears throat] it's it's the hardest part of the budget right here.

It is it's very difficult. It is. You want to see an increase in in a in a time of inflation that we've been in, okay? So, it's it's So, that means we're going to get a hit twice then if the inflation hits us on the operational expenses and and hits us on the the salary, too, if you're going to try to address both of them. Yeah. And so, if you So, if you keep increasing it up here and not increasing it sufficiently here, it just keeps growing here and then they're going to reach a point in time where we we can't do anything for anybody except maybe look at jobs, look at positions. Okay, I'm busy. So I think this is extrapolating to a point. We talked about it last year. That's just That's my position. I mean, I That's just the way I look at it, Judge. I mean, I'm not trying to I mean, it's just I wouldn't ask for it if I didn't think this wasn't required, really, to continue to to uh you know, to manage these services. We've got to have good people in these in at We have enough problems now and then now it's it's a 2.7% inflation. We all know [clears throat] it. I mean, we go pay What are we paying for gas right now? What are we paying for food just compared to a year ago? So I These [clears throat] are These are people that are not getting paid six figures, you know? It's They're struggling to put food on the table. And to continue to say that our budget We we got to tighten it up, tighten it up. I gave you a I a balanced budget. Okay? Yes, it used the hospital payout money. That is revenue. It's $2.7 million a year. It's $2.7 million a year and we were using 2 million of that to make it to make uh We haven't decided on that yet, Judge. That's part of the budget. I'm just saying this that's how I came about

that and that budget included this 2% COLA in there. It included that. Included the staff. It included all the things that we're getting ready to talk about and still had $700,000 left over to go into [clears throat] the reserve. A reserve that is increasing a lot every year. At what point do you have too much reserve and you're cutting you're cutting the legs out from underneath you because you're not considering the fact that you've got a large reserve out there. And I don't understand why we're having to cut $150 here and there whenever we This This is the meat right here, okay? This is where we should be spending the time talking because this this has the biggest impact on how we go how we go forward with our services. And then you And then you just say that we were saving 1% from Yes. Yes, one Well, more than 1%.

Well, I'm just

Well, no, 1% What 1%? I thought it was 1%. It was 1.19 in the non-cash. Okay. So, I don't understand why we're saving that. We can't give them the employees what Well, that's kind of the argument. Why can't we do that reserve and then and then go ahead and give them the 1% on top of that? Why why are we not considering just going with this recommendation? What's keeping us from doing this? I could What's keeping us from doing it is that some of us had a different opinion maybe as to what the increase should be this year. Um you know, that historically you go back before you know, the employees didn't have health insurance. They didn't have a lot of things that's been added and that's one reason this thing is is continuing to go up our our budget. But there's a lot of things that employees didn't have in the past that they have now. And so we just keep adding to it. At some point in time we can't meet our promises. I wish I could go in here and wave a magic wand and we could come up with the money to do it, too, but I know, we we have a totally different idea as as to the use of funds that's available and how and what it's what its purpose is and and how long it's going to last. So, when I'm you don't balance a budget if you're not just taking the revenue that's generated to pay for the services that that they they cover. If you're having to borrow from the bank over here or something else, that's not a balanced budget. That's just balanced budget says staying within your means.

I agree with that, sir. And so, if county government going to have to stay within its means. And I look at some of these salary lines and we look at them on the baseline and it may look low. $16, $18 an hour, but then when you start putting overtime in there and hazardous duty on top of it, you look over and you got a $70,000 employee. So, it you know, it it goes cuts both ways here. You can't just say look at the bottom line until you start looking at the different departments and how it how it uh works works out. So, so far I'm hearing, I think EG was you were making decision 1% in Cola and step. So, it sounds like the consensus

Some people had their minds made up before the even without this information right here. And that's new information you got when, Judge? You said it's new information you want to share with us. This Yeah, yes. Did you have that before you did your budget? [clears throat] Well, you didn't have that before you did your budget. How'd you I put the 2% I heard that was out there, but I did not I actually have these uh actual numbers to back it up. So, I put it in there thinking that something like this is going to happen. [clears throat] I want to make it clear that I knew about this. I knew about these numbers. Oh, very good.

And I studied this front to back. Okay. So, I have made a decision based upon what I have studied. Okay? So. Yes, my mind was made up when I come in here because I did my homework. I always do my homework. So, I want to make that clear. And I knew every bit of this information. So, I just want to make sure you know that and everybody else knows that. So, even with that information you're still thinking that basically for most everybody except for the 13 of our employees who will lose actually end up with taking a step back in their in their um wages. But you're still okay with that. Whenever we have a $700,000 with the budget that I that I presented $700,000 increase in our reserve at the end of that budget. Even with all of that you're still not wanting to provide another 1% COLA. I just don't understand the reasoning behind it. Just 13. You know. They all It doesn't matter now. Tier one hazardous. No, yeah, besides that. Like are they EMS? Sure. They're all our safety Jail or EMS or The hazardous would be the jail and EMS. And none has been thrown out. The he's the 13 that he's referring to. It's the heart rate here. 2006 to 2000 and 13. It's a mixture of the Jail and Well, probably between jail and EMS. That's our hazardous.

[clears throat]

So, I'm hearing They were zero. Now, they're going to 2%. So, I'm hearing the consensus is 1% and step. Yep. Think there were three positions uh that had pretty much been discussed in master wide by heads to committee. Extensively. Right. That was animal control from a 14 to 16. Deputy director emergency management 16 to 17 and code enforcement 12 to 13. Am I correct? Is that correct? Yes. Okay.

Yeah. And I think the consensus was if I recall correctly that that was a go. Does anyone change their mind or have a different approach to that? I'm good with it. Speak up.

Can you repeat your list of ones that we were going to reclassify? Animal control Okay. 14 to 16. Deputy emergency management director 16 to 17. Code enforcement 12 to 13. Yes, I agree with that. Yeah. Just to note that with the deputy director is is the 17 not the 18 cuz we talked about the option of both of those. It was moved from 16 to 17 is what was on the That's correct. I just want to make sure That was that was what I recalled anyway. Yeah, that everybody understands.

But the budget has 16 to 18. We initially talked about 16 to 19. So the 16 to 18 was a compromise. Yeah, I think you're correct. 16 to 18? On the deputy director? Yes, definitely.

a 16 to 18 was the compromise. Yes. Okay. I was going on what the sheet was that HR passed out so I I Thank you. I I thought when we had it when we discussed it in committee. Okay, so it's We had asked for 19 originally. So, what we talked about in committee in in the your committee was 18 as a compromise. And so, that's what I thought we Okay. were headed toward. That's good. I'll try to find them. 18 Okay, so I'll repeat that. Animal Control 14 to 16, Deputy Director of Emergency Management 16 to 18, and Code Enforcement 12 to 13. Good? Yes. Yes. All right. Are there others on the list that you want If you If you want to bring it up, [clears throat] Jeff. I think we already talked about my request for the Executive Staff Assistant. You don't want to make a move on that one. You know, I think that that's something that I'm requesting in my office and you're forcing me to basically change somebody out of there about every 6 months. Takes a month to fill. So, that's true, right? You're against that. Yeah, can we just talk about things you already we we want to discuss?

confirming. Yes.

Okay. Confirmed. It's confirmed. Uh the next two are Finance Officer Payroll um step grade in a grade change 14 to 15. And then the uh Finance officer from grade 10 to 12. So are those two that you all looked at and decided that you're not wanting to make that change at this point. One cost about $3,000 and the other one is about 5.5 thousand. A year. Your thoughts? Three that we did or the three that I was interested in doing. Anybody else? And I supported the grade 14 to 15 at the finance.

[clears throat] Repeat that Kitty, I'm sorry. I supported the grade 14 to 15 at the finance. The finance officer payroll. And I I was in favor of the finance officer payroll 14 to 15 and the support officer 10 to 11. Okay. That was That was my expression on that. what support officer has already been decided on. The finance support officer? No, no, no, no, no. You I thought The finance No, I I thought you were talking about the judges.

No, no, no, no. Okay, okay. I may not know the finance support officer 10 to 11 to grade 11. The proposed was a 12 and I expressed that I would be in favor of an 11 but not but not a 12. The cost of that would be half what shows on this list here so that'd be about $2,700 a year total. That's I was making notes there but was the finance payroll 10 to what? Uh my my suggestion is 10 to grade 11. That's the finance support officer.

The finance support officer.

finance officer payroll was 14 to 15. That's That's correct. That's That was my That was my recommendation. Yes. That would be a total cost of somewhere around $6,000 a year. And I just want to further say that um I think these these specific positions have been requested for more than just this year. I I think a year or so down the road and and I think they're long overdue and well worth it, so. It's what I base this on and I also base it on the fact that I trust and put every bit of confidence in their supervisors and feel like that they know what their work is, so. And they are competitive market. And and that also. That is That's true. Okay, you were clarification then you were in support of the finance payroll payroll That's what you said. Yes. The 14 to the 15. Larry [clears throat] Yeah. Which ones, Larry? Both or one? What are you? The 14 percent. What? 14 The 14. Huh? Step the grade. The grade change in 14 to 15. Did you have any thoughts on the finance support officer? Do you agree with that step or that grade change? That one, too. Show him in your document. Which one is Here it is. That's the one Patsy She supports both of them. Yeah. Can you support the other one just one up one rate?

I don't know what it's That's since we didn't do that. Since we went from a 16 to 18. [clears throat and cough] You mean the deputy director? Yeah. You mean that because of that? Yeah. That's the only reason I'm Budget? Trying to maintain the budget. Okay. You guys want to do it? I'm I'm said what I said. Yeah, you have what I said earlier. So, you're sticking with just three that we talked about the first. Okay. And troll emergency management and the other one. [clears throat]

And we're split over here as far as what you want to do. So. Attorney I'll turn it to G. Let's stick with our three. We agree going in. It is my understanding that when we talked about it, we would look at it around this time, but I thought it's kind of a senses we were not for it yet till we decided. So, can we see the budget either way? After we've made all these other changes. Don't you think? Well, yeah. I mean, we can at committee It didn't seem like there's senses to move forward. That was [clears throat] the issue then during the committee there was not Mhm. consensus to move move forward even to court. So,

[clears throat] that's why we put it in the budget process. Well, we talked about talked about it extensively, the the pros, the cons, the the reasons behind it. So, that when we got to this point we would pretty much have our minds, I guess, set on on what we felt was was just a justified. So. [clears throat and cough]

And we're looking at the budget now and we're seeing our numbers and this is the time I guess to express how you feel about it. Well, unless I accounted it correctly, looks like the consensus is to stay with the three initial three. The other two were Kennel Tech and Tech. We're merging one and one position. Kennel Techs. Yeah. They're getting all the same money. Do what now? One. We did away with Kennel Tech. So we have one Kennel Tech. So we only have one Kennel Tech now. I was there. I thought we did away with one and two. That's what we're trying to That's what we're trying to change. I have to table to the budget. It was tabled. I I I we already did it. No, you're thinking you're thinking about the um 911 911. Oh yeah, I didn't call didn't call you about that. It was just a job description change. Yeah, but we had this Kennel Tech is we did not decide on. This is about a $8,000 decision. So we're doing away with Kennel Tech one and two and going to make them just all Kennel Techs across the board. But they're all doing the same thing. I'm okay with that. I'm I don't have any option. I thought we had already done it so I apologize. No. Good. Any other items judge? Um no. Oh well.

We still going to talk about the EMS. Yeah, yeah I'm I'm talking about that. Those were the ones. You want to restate your position on the EMS? Yeah, EMS um I guess bottom line there is that we have our competition for for EMTAs and paramedics and EMTs is getting harder and harder to overcome. So um we're trying to do what we can and Omar Peterson [clears throat] is trying to provide as much training internally to move from EMTs to EMTAs to try to fill those positions. Paramedics takes a lot longer and there's not as many EMTs that necessarily want to you know, move in that direction because it is a lot of extra training to get to a paramedic. So those those are things are all are all um creating continuous difficulty in losing some of our experienced people especially to adjacent counties. So with that um we're trying trying to keep our good people in positions in a very critical area critical service of um emergency medical services. The proposal is to take all of our full-time EMTs EMTA's and paramedics up one grade. A 5% increase in their pay which would help. Um we can't compete really at this point in time against some of the other uh agencies that are paying for all of their med- all of their insurance, you know, mental insurance, stuff like that. Um

going to a different shift schedule, these types of things. We can't afford to do that, but uh I believe that we can afford a 5% uh increase. Which is one grade change. And the cost of that is [clears throat] with the 1% cola would be right at $300,000. [clears throat]

About half of our workforce. What's the grade impact? What's the dollar grade impact? What's the dollar grade impact? You mean uh from what grade to what grade? If you increase it a grade, uh what was the dollar? It's 5% um I don't know if I have On wages is 212,000. Is that what you want? Yeah. Yeah. On the 1%. Just on the wages. Oh, just the wages? Yeah. Yeah, $212,000 just wages. Yeah. And then you tack on the other social security and retirement, it takes it up to

60 or 70%? Yeah. It takes it up to 300,000. At a 1% cola. The grade. Then increase it about one grade is what Yes. One grade. One grade. Which equals 5%. So, that's 300 $300,000. $300,000 here total. [clears throat]

Any comments?

[clears throat] I mean we do have some issues there, but looking at that, I mean that's almost an entire crew at first day for another station. And we were searching [clears throat] that crew though. We have to find the people. Which isn't easy. And within this last budget even though we added crew on what you know what we were going to be in line budget wise. All that estimating on overtime else we're still going to we added a crew without using the budget. [clears throat]

We added a crew not impacted the budget for the rest of the year if what I understood it. That's correct. This budget cycle is different. 6 and 1/2 months, right. [clears throat] So we've got to now find the funds to do it for a whole year in this budget. So

It's in this budget. Yeah, that's what I'm That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Let's see um entry level grade on that. What did you do last year? What would you do for EMS last year? Uh a grade eight, so it would move up to a grade nine. Okay. That's uh EMTS. And um uh What? Uh paramedic 56 hour that's 11, so would go to a 12. Is a Is a 10. And she's a 10. And

So, it would move to 11. And then MTA is a MTA is an eight. I know. So, the teachers are sixes. And the teachers are sixes. Yeah. The teachers are sixes. So, the teachers are sixes. Thank you. [laughter] Six. It's hard to find it on the list. Six to a seven. Six to a seven. Seven. And then The MTA is an eight to a nine.

And then Right. And then the paramedic is 11 to 12. Full-time. Full-time, yeah. We had part-time.

[clears throat]

Any comments from anybody on that?

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It's pretty big uh hit on the budget. We're trying to equal out what we did in Y bills. From a my personal standpoint. I was looking Is that a Is that a great change for good or is that a change? So permanent I do I do think we have an issue with our entry level. I was just looking for a secretary to be a grade 10 and we've got EMTs out there doing it for grade six and seven. I mean that's an issue. So But you got That's because of the other Yeah, schedule overtime. overtime and hazardous duty and pumps that way way out of off the baseline. I just It's rough. I mean I know that I think Start pays 1577. Is that right? for for new EMT, I think. What did you say? EMTs 1577, I think. Something like that. 56 But [clears throat] Is there Is there a difference Is there a reason why somebody would 56 hour or 40 hour? Only full-time was scheduled guaranteed schedule. That's how we define the 56. So this implemented this if we implement this is only for our full-time, right? Correct. But they're but the full-time is eligible to get the overtime and all of that. Right. By definition they will have overtime.

Yeah. on the shift schedule I'm still in doubt. included in this 290. So that's part of it. I'm just I'm still with just the four levels. And then we'll go with the four. What could we do? Maybe like a partial um You can't do a partial grade change. No, no, not a partial grade change. Like the Like the six to sevens and the eight to nines. And then leave everybody else alone. You know, get those entry level pay up to a little higher.

You like EMTs and EMTAs? Yeah. Mhm. Just to get them started off a little higher. I mean, it's Well, it's Would it make them too too close in in uh Yeah, I mean, in salaries? Yeah. EMTA's are the gap is close. Mhm. Probably get them too close with You're too close and we're also with what they're making.

We have a step and grade Oh. program for a for a reason. We start making changes in these meetings, so without going through step and grade.

we did last year for the road department and for the jail. Yeah, I remember that. Um Um And the EMTAs are How new are those? Just a couple of years. That's what Four or five years. You know, some of these are new uh designations and training that have come about through the regulations. Uh EMTA's are very important part of our staff. Right now, as we can tell. It's really hard to So, this is kind of a They're still able to do a lot of what a paramedic does. But, uh they just don't have the training in some some things. And we can bill for them higher rates. And we're really we're better than national norms on what we're billing for advanced uh level services with the EMS than national. About 30% higher. It brings in more revenue and it's better for our community. Safer out there.

And that's with one to Well, from my [clears throat] vantage point [cough] I'm here treating them like they're the rest of the employees one and one. It's my opinion. Mr. Davis, speak up. They're also the ones that are the hazardous that get hit harder on the health insurance. $300,000 is a big hit to the budget. So, I mean I thought maybe you know what we could do something partial, but I I guess we can't. So, I'll just leave it the way it is. Just saying. Four changes is all.

[clears throat]

I would love to sit here and say that it I will say it I'm sure it's well deserved. I'm sure they Absolutely. And we and we need to to do this. That's But, that's not the issue. The issue is the money. The issue is, you know, trying to get cut this budget and and we've cut other departments or not cut, but we haven't increased [cough and clears throat] other departments and and it's tough. It's really tough, but but just I guess just to summarize it, I'm inclined to pass on this. Okay. I'm for the 1%. Okay. Consensus. I honestly do not understand why you guys are not willing willing to do this. That's it.

[cough] That's Judge Yeah, I don't agree. Are we having a dis agreement? It's just shooting ourselves in the wrong foot for no no reason. Well, I think we We've given them plenty of reason. There's not what what's I'm not going to argue with you over that. the revenue side of this thing is out there. We have the revenue [cough] to pay for every single one of us. That's why we're going to use $2 million from some fund to balance the budget. We got the revenue out there. I mean, I the That doesn't make sense. Exactly. But we're I'm Like [clears throat] I said, I'm not going to argue with you over We we made the budget recommendations and Well So, are you going to allow us some time to uh discuss this? We've already discussed it. That's what we've been doing all day. I I haven't discussed it.

your budget. You presented your budget like we're supposed to. So, this is This is our time. end of the the the discussion. No. All these things that you brought

to first rate it on May the 12th and then we'll So, there'll be plenty of discussion. What we're going to put our this budget that we've talked about when she builds it and also follows up on the issues that we talked about and when she can put that send that out to us, we can all review that. You know, on May the 12th, if we got more discussions, we can do that on May the 12th, but as far as I'm concerned, that's why we spent all day here trying to get this thing hammered out. And I'm and and and there are several of us that have spent a lot of time obviously already doing our homework and trying to get this thing resolved. So, that's the way the process You didn't know You didn't allow us in the budget process all year long. You gave it to us with 6 days and we've done our best to do our work and that's what we've done. One question, Greg. What about the uh the legacy money? I was getting ready to Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you were wrapping it up. If there is a need for taking any funds uh the hospital money was designated uh in the judge's proposal uh to use the balance the budget. I don't know that we're going to I don't know how it's going to come out. But uh it's going to come out of the hospital Still not even going to come out of the hospital. I don't think I need to state my position on that.

in fourth time in a row, I'm going to say no using the hospital money. That's tax revenue, so no. So, I that's that's my position, but Well, well, having an equal tell you this. I tried to bring a resolution to committee about using funds both ways and it didn't go anywhere. We didn't We didn't move forward with it, so I'll go back to my original position to using anything that's got taxes attached to it and to balance the budget. If we have to go outside the the normal revenue that we fees and grants and tax revenue that we're generating. So, that's [clears throat] my position. Like every time this has come up, my stance has always been one-off expenses and stuff like that, I could see using this revenue for, but I'm not for setting recurring expenses on non-recurring income. It's recurring currently, but it won't The 7 million 31,000 in EMS equipment that we put in there, the 905 and then the um other the continuing lease payment. Do you think that that should be in there? I guess that That portion, yes, but that's when it comes time if it we make the decision on where we pull for the EMS equipment.

[clears throat] That's what I would probably look at going to using that if not if we don't get any grant. For the from that standpoint, I would feel comfortable doing That's what we've always considered for the health and safety and the wellness of the community. That's what makes sense for me. Well, we have the continuing lease payment in the 126 student aid. Come out of the For the next 6 years? Yeah. I'll [clears throat]

I'll be using pilot. Pilot. Okay. To me, it doesn't matter either one. I consider it all county money. Larry. And then I'm for taking it out of legacy. I It's It belongs to taxpayers. So, I mean, I don't know. I've never seen a big argument about that. Okay. I see some of you all want to keep it in the other and you know, it's a taxpayer's money. It belongs to the county, people in Hardin County. It doesn't belong to us. Nobody said it does. It's Well, you all act like it does. No, it's a You act like it's it's your money. You don't want to ever spend it to balance the budget and give the employees a a raise or any You know, I I don't Well, I just don't understand it. Why do you want to sit on it for 20 years or 30 years? Most of you all ain't going to be here then anyway. Well, I do Okay. Did you If we have to exceed our um revenue that's coming in and go to any other but should be the pilot fund before we ever touch the hospital funds. Okay, there's consensus if we have to use money come out of the pilot fund. Doesn't make any sense. Anybody uh have any uh other comments?

one other comment uh going back to the $900,000 expenditure for this uh name of the product cardiac equipment cardiac equipment Um we I believe at least we should go ahead and put in what the lease amount would be. At the very least we're going to end up spending that. Okay? If we don't spend the $900,000, then we're going to have to spend uh whatever the number was. Say I think you gave it to me. 178 100 Let's [clears throat] call it $180,000 a year. with at about 8% uh Personally, I'm still not sold on going with the company with the higher bid of equipment. So, I'm going to have to be sold on that. You've become an expert now on the equipment. Okay, that's enough of that. What we're going to do is what we decided to do earlier is go back to the committee.

Go back. We're going to have to have something in the budget to pay for it. Well, we can we can amend it. We're going to have to first decide how we're going to do it. 200 $180,000 is it? That's the minimum amount. Anything else, Judge? So, none of you want to have that in the budget to at least pay the the lease amount? At least have that in the budget. I'm on the emergency committee. I prefer run that through committee for process as is always done. Thank you. It's 3:11. We're adjourned.

Thank you for asking. And what are we doing with the school board? [clears throat] Thank you for your leadership on for running this. [clears throat] Appreciate everybody's input. Dana? We got you. First of all, so we [laughter] I got you your own personal box of cookies. Oh, nice. You don't want to take this back. Yeah. Yeah. You can eat them in the meeting. That's right. Y'all want to put these in the freezer if you want. I ate them. There might be some over here. I ate them in the meeting.