City Council - Regular Meeting

It is Wednesday, Thursday, September 3rd, 2026. We have an item up for public hearing, ordinance 2026-77. Is there any, yeah, go ahead.

An ordinance amending section two, condition six of ordinance 1989-224 entitled an ordinance considering an application for a conditional use permit from Bryce Blackman for professional office use on a historical site. located at 27519 Detroit Road within a residential district in the city of Westlake.

Is there anyone here that wishes to address counsel on this matter? Hearing no one, I'll call the public hearing closed. It is 8.01. We will now start our Westlake City Council meeting. Clerk will please call the roll.

Mayor Clough?

Here.

President of Council Greenspan? Here. Council Members Van Dyke?

Here.

Nannari?

Here.

Del Regno?

Here.

Levesque?

Here.

Havalka? Here. Gatsay? Here.

We have a quorum. Before I ask the Mayor to lead us in the pledge, over the summer we lost a council member VERY WELL RESPECTED MEMBER OF OUR COMMUNITY, ED HACK, AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A PUBLIC STATEMENT JUST THAT WE RECOGNIZE HIS PASSING AND HIS CONTRIBUTION TO THE CITY. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE WISHES TO MAKE A COMMENT. IF NOT...

I DO, MR. PRESIDENT, BUT ACTUALLY I WAS GOING TO WAIT UNTIL THE END OF THE MEETING, IF THAT'S OKAY.

WE CAN DO THAT.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, THEN, WE'LL MOVE ALONG TO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. MAYOR, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE LEAD US TO THE PLEDGE. Thank you, Mayor. Before members of council is the July 16th minutes for our last regular session. I'll entertain a motion to approve the minutes.

So moved.

Is there a second? Second. Motion is made and seconded. Discussion on approval of the minutes. Hearing none, clerk will call the roll on the motion.

Greenspan? Yes. Van Dyke? Yes. Minari? Yes. Del Regno? Yes. Levesque?

Yes.

Havelka? Yes. Getze? Yes.

The motion carries. The minutes are approved. Selected correspondence.

Meeting minutes of the Tax Incentive Review Council meeting held on July 29 from Joseph Metula, chairperson.

I'll make a motion to accept, I'm sorry, entertain a motion to accept the TURC blanket continuation recommendation. So moved. There's been a motion. Is there a second? Second. The motion is made and seconded. Discussion? Hearing none, clerk will call the roll on the motion.

Greenspan? Yes. Van Dyke?

Yes.

Nannari? Yes. Del Regno? Yes. Levesque?

Yes.

Havelka? Yes. Getze? Yes.

Motion carries.

Conditional use permit application from Thomas Lawrence L7 Group received August 13th for a blanket conditional use permit approval for various business types for 36 units at 28220 Rainy Parkway, parcel 212113.

That item is being referred to PCL.

Notice from Ohio Division of Liquor Control received August 17th for transfer of a D5I permit from Maganias C. Senor at 25048 Sperry Drive to Well Rest, Cozumel West Lake, 25048 Sperry Drive.

Entertain a motion not to object. No move. Is there a second? Second. Motion's made and seconded. Chief, any objection?

No objection, Sir.

No objection from the Police Department. Any further discussion? You're not click or call role in the motion Van Dyke.

Yes, Manari. Yes, Del Regno. Yes, the back. Yes, the Valka. Yes, that's a yes Greenspan. Yes, that motion carries notice from Ohio Division of Liquor Control. Review dog is 17th for new C2C1 permits from or four Ohio CBS stores at. 30791 Detroit Rd.

Under 10 motion not to object.

So moved.

And the motions are second. Second. And second in chief. Any objection? No objection, sir. No objection from the police department. Any further discussion? If there are none, click or call the roll on the motion.

Nannari? Yes. Del Regno?

Yes. Levesque?

Yes. Havelka? Yes. Gatsay? Yes. Greenspan? Yes. Van Dyke?

Yes. The motion carries.

Conditional use permit application from the new preschool LLC Destina MOGA received August 24th for a child daycare center and associated food service at 905 corporate way parcel 214 to for that I'm just being referred to PCL email from Amar Shah received 27 August 27 that is Withdrawing his application to build a Goddard school at 250 57 Detroit Road. I

That item is in reference to ordinance 2026-90. We'll defer discussion to the appropriate time on the agenda.

Communication from Mayor Clough dated September 1st requesting authorization to purchase one 2026 Pierce Enforcer Pumper Demo Unit with selected options through the Sourcewell Cooperative Purchasing Program from Atlantic Emergency Solutions in an amount not to exceed $1,154,851.00.

That item is in reference to Ordinance 2026-102. We'll defer discussion until the appropriate time on the agenda.

Communication from Mayor Clough dated September 1st requesting authorization to enter into a five-year contract with Trackman Range for the proprietary golf ball tracking system at the new Meadowood Driving Range and Practice Center for an amount not to exceed $306,000.

That item is in reference to Ordinance 2026-104. We'll defer discussion until the appropriate time on the agenda.

Conditional use permit application from Timothy Wright received September 1st for a Sheetz convenience store with a mobile pickup window and a passenger car fuel canopy at 1100 Crocker Road, parcel 211-1620.

That item is being referred to PZL.

Conditional use permit application from John Homer Concord Reserve yet Realty received September 1st for a comprehensive campus master plan to add new independent lifestyle apartments and amenities at 2116 Dover Center Road parcel 212 2625 that is also being referred to PZL and And zoning map application from Kevin Hoffman, Bradley Park Suites received September 3rd to change the zoning of 30755 Center Ridge Road, parcel 217-1633 from general business to PUD small-scale residential to develop a 20-unit townhome development.

That item is also being referred to PZL. Petitions from the public. I have no one that has signed in. Is there anyone that wishes to address council? No. Report of the mayor. Mayor?

Here's a couple of items. The service department wants everyone to know that a household hazardous waste roundup will take place on September 14th through the 19th at the Westlake Service Center. A scrap tire roundup is also scheduled for September 18th and 19th. And the fall shredded day will be held on Saturday, September 26th from 9 a.m. to noon. AT THE WEST LAKE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. AND THE RECREATION DEPARTMENT WILL BE HOSTING THE ANNUAL WEST LAKE COMMUNITY RUN AND PANCAKE BREAKFAST ON SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 12TH, FEATURING MULTIPLE RACE OPTIONS.

I HEARD SOME PARTICIPATION GOING ON EARLIER, MR. LEVACK, MS. AVELKA. ANYBODY ELSE DOING THE 5K? LET ME KNOW WHAT ELSE. MR. NANARI, ARE YOU DOING THE 5K?

NO, I'M GOING TO OHIO STATE. OKAY.

REPORTS OF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIALS. CHIEF B. LOSER.

YES, SIR. THE POLICE DEPARTMENT STARTED THE DEER MANAGEMENT PROGRAM TO INCLUDE CULLING IN 2016. Leading up to that, we were totaling deer accidents and pickups by the service department year over year. 2015, there was 235 total accidents involving deer. So the goal is accident reduction and also a damage reduction in the residence yards. The measurable we can get is the accident reduction. At this point, we've seen a 27% reduction. Year over year, we've been able to hit our target every year as far as number of permits granted by the state, except for 2022 due to retirements. So that year, we were only able to call one deer. Otherwise, since the program began, 929 deer have been called. the deer are donated and have been consumed except for one that had that was cold but they'd already been hit by a car and the meat was no good and those donations are going through a butcher and the fee is being paid by the people that sign up to receive that so the city's not paying that the last three years The culling team has been able to meet their permit target. We've requested additional permits and they've been able to exceed their target. I could say the last few years, the total numbers have been over 100 deer culled per year. So we've submitted a permit requesting 120 permits for this season. We anticipate getting a response sometime in the next week or so, so we can begin the culling season.

Thank you. Any questions on the report?

Chief, where is this taking place, and how do you decide where to go?

We have a retired officer that runs the program. He goes out to complaint areas, assesses for safety, so some are on private property, but primarily they're in city parks throughout the city.

Thank you.

Any other questions on the deer calling? Are they still doing? The parks are still doing there separately, correct? That is a separate Bradley Metro. They're doing their separate, correct?

Yes, Sir, that's correct.

And then the where the water treatment is that they're doing there separately too, correct?

As far as I know.

Okay, no, I just I'm trying to get a I just seems like there's a lot more deer than ever before I had 22 this morning in my yard.

I don't know we could reach my your goal right in my yard, you know, so Okay, mr. Hendy So and thank you chief for this report because obviously that's a question everybody that's sitting up here gets Constantly as well as I'm sure you do too about how many deer there in the city and I I'm not an expert at deer, but my understanding is they have a pretty far travel distance. We just don't have the Westlake deer. They're traveling across many cities. I know that a few cities have tried or looked into or are experimenting with What's the term I want to use? Sterilization. Sterilization, right. Have we investigated that at all? And where does ODNR, what are their thoughts on that?

Our last talk with ODNR, they're not a big fan of that due to cost and inefficiency. They are a proponent of the culling program. They're also very much a proponent of establishing lot size requirements and granting permits to private residents.

Okay, and at 100 a year, are we keeping up with what's going on or are the deer winning?

ODNR they've attempted to calculate exactly what the replacement factor is as we're removing deer from the population they have been a little bit I guess easier and permit granting to allow us to target many of each type and age as available to the culling program where it used to be a little more strict We've attempted counts, both visual counts and even using the drones, and it's just not really feasible. You could attempt to get a count by hiring a private pilot for a flyover, but even those are not all that accurate. And as you said, Mr. Van Dyke, it's a transient population.

I know, and this has been a number of years ago, but that the deer population had gotten, had really... grown across the state. It wasn't just here, the statewide that the deer, and now is that still true or if they have the statewide statistics? And I apologize if I'm asking you questions that are beyond, maybe we need to do more research, but we appreciate what you do. Let me just say that. And as we know, there's still a challenge with trying to deal with the deer with all the They're beautiful, but there they can have challenges and obviously like accents being the biggest one. So thank you chief.

I will just add this having you know I'm obviously in the car business, but they the deer hits and hail hits have like quadrupled. That's all I gotta tell you. I think there's a lot more deer in West Lake than you would ever know. That's my opinion. I don't know much.

We can't do hail calling, but we can do the deer. Mayor, were you going to say something?

I was just going to point out that before we even started this program, we had an individual from the Ohio Department of Natural Resources come to the council meeting. I think Mark probably remembers it. And they gave us the different options. And they basically told us in no uncertain terms that the sterilization program was not effective at all. And the most effective was still the culling, even though people objected to it. But that's why we adopted it. And the biggest problem we have, I guess, is making sure that when they are culled, it's a safe area to cull them. And we probably all, I get as many calls probably as any of you that they're in my backyard, come over here and take care of them. Well, we can't always do that because of the safety risk. But there is something that many people are not aware of. But if they can prove that the deer are damaging their particular shrubbery and their landscaping, the Department of Natural Resources will issue a bowl permit for that homeowner. Now, most people don't want to take it up. But that's what they explained to us. but you've gotta be able to prove it through the damage that's been done on your property.

Any further discussion? Chief, thank you. Anything else, Chief?

No, thank you.

All right, thank you, Chief.

Thank you.

All right, moving along the agenda, reports of standing committees. We had a committee of the whole meeting that met this evening at 7.33. Present were Council Members Greenspan, Van Dyke, Nanari, Del Regno, Levesque, Havelka, and Getze. Also present were Mayor Clough, Law Director Maloney, Director Stoom, Smallwick, Shaw, Horner, Bedell. Stiebel, Graham, Chiefs Beloser, Moran, and Clerk Rosenbaum. Discussed this evening were agenda items, selected correspondence, as well as the following items, the department director's plaques, which were, and a photo was taken with the directors. And once again, thank you to our clerk for that project. We will be extending Orders 2026-95 until November 13th. Also discussion regarding AI, Center Ridge Road overlay, Ward redistricting, Market Square appraisal. The following committees have been scheduled. Committee of the Whole will meet on September 10th at 7 p.m. to discuss short-term rentals and e-bikes, e-mobility, and on the 8th at 6 p.m., PZO will meet to discuss four CUPs and one rezoning. That meeting concluded at 8 p.m. Reports of Other boards and commissions, planning commission, Mr. DelRagdon. Yes, sir.

Thank you very much. We, planning commission, met on the third of the month. We didn't all get August off. So a couple items that are up for motions. Rowan's storefront sign plan, 225 Main Street.

Yeah, so this remodels the former Bahia Bowles tenant space. So with updates to the storefront, it will be a piercing studio where licensed nurses perform ear piercings. So the existing cladding, which is 6-inch wide wood grain metal plank plating in natural wood color, base tile in black, will be replaced with an exterior architectural plaster facade to existing ventilation louvers and storefront system in oak buff color, tile base in cream color, black fabric awning. Not really any changes to the storefront other than just painting it adding a couple of brass ladder pulled door handles And it does comply with the Crocker Park mixed-use area design guidelines for your department has Required the approved Knox box to be located there This is how it will look these are the materials so Planning Commission did recommend approval with the conditions in the report

I'll make a motion to approve the Rowan storefront with conditions listed in the report of the August 3rd Planning Commission meeting.

There's a motion. Is there a second? Second. Motion's made and seconded. Any further discussion on the motion? Hearing none, clerk will call the roll of the motion.

Del Regno? Yes. Levesque?

Yes.

Havalka? Yes. Getze? Yes. Greenspan? Yes. Van Dyke? Yes. Nenari?

Yes. Motion carries. Next item up is the Portland Leather Storefront Sign Plan 161 Main Street.

Yes, so this is the former Francesca's Collection storefront. It will be Portland leather, which is a retail full grain leather tote bag, bags, cross body purses and accessories. So it's a white wood panel trim, black granite base tile bay window display unit that you see up top that will be replaced with a more modern looking wood Light composite cladding and board and batten style and anthracite color cast stone water table and line stone color black metal glazing frame. Black metal canopy and new exterior lighting in this does also comply with the crack Park mixed use area design guidelines and for Department again is requiring the approved Knox box.

Planning Commission recommended approval with the condition in the report motion to approve the Portland leather storefront with conditions listed in the report of the August 3rd Planning Commission.

It's been a motion Is there a second second since made the second any further discussion on the motion? Very non clerk. Call the roll live back.

Yes, have Alka. Yes, that's a yes Greenspan. Yes Van Dyke. Yes, Denari. Yes, Del Ragnar.

Yes emotion carries. Last item up for is the Ironwood parking lot site improvement.

688 Dover Center Road. Yes, you actually saw this last year, 2025, recommended for approval by Planning Commission on February 3rd, and then you approved on the 5th. The project did not begin within one year as required by code. The owner was busy developing Cavoli's Pizza Shop and was not able to get to it in time. What you're seeing is the exact same thing that you approved last year. It's just that unfortunately he didn't begin the project and so he has to go back through the process again. This will add 22 very much needed parking spaces to the end of their parking lot. And so the Planning Commission did recommend approval with the same modifications and conditions that you approved last year.

MOTION TO APPROVE THE IRONWOOD PARKING LOT SITE IMPROVEMENT WITH THE MODIFICATIONS AND CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE REPORT OF THE AUGUST 3rd PLANNING COMMISSION.

ANY MOTIONS OR SECOND? SECOND. MOTION'S MADE AND SECONDED. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? Hearing the clerk will roll in the motion of Alka.

Yes, get say yes Greenspan. Yes Van Dyke. Yes Denari. Yes Del Regno.

Yes Levesque. Yes, the motion carries. There are two items that are up that we heard it and our. 3rd meeting, which was the conditional use permit for 28045 Rainy Parkway for professional services and recreational use. We rock the spectrum.

Yes, so this is a pediatric occupational and speech therapy practice with a sensory gym serving children ages 1 to 13 with various neurodevelopmental differences and it's It does require conditional use in this zone the hours of operation and the number of vehicles that it will generate are not out of line and and it seemed to be a good fit for that location, so Planning Commission did recommend approval without the need for any safeguards or conditions.

Thank you. Also on this evening, in the third reading, is Ordinance 202684 amending 1203.18 use for the zoning code as to definition.

Yes, so this was a city's code enforcement officers in coordination with the law department on drafted this amendment and it will better provide a clear definition of hedges to ensure consistent application of these regulations and it will really help their enforcement actions and any resulting legal proceedings. And it is in numerous locations in our code. So Planning Commission recommend approval.

Thank you, sir. And then the next regular meeting will be on Monday the 14th. Please attend if you can.

Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Del Regno and Mr. Bedell. Moving along the agenda under legislation for fourth reading, Ordinance 2026-58.

Ordinance providing for the amendment of the zone map of the City of Westlake which zone map is part of the zoning code of the City of Westlake by changing the zoning a certain land located at 270 59 Center Ridge Road permanent parcel number 215 10 5 from office building district to general business district

Okay, we will need a motion to amend and we're amending the title and ordinance as it has been read by the clerk. Is there a motion to amend? So moved. There's a second. Second. Motion's made and seconded. Discussion on the motion to amend? Hearing none, clerk will call the roll on the motion to amend.

Getsay? Yes. Greenspan? Yes. Van Dyke? Yes. Minari? Yes. Del Regno? Yes. LeBeck?

Yes.

Havalka? Yes.

That ordinance is amended. Question is, shall ordinance 2026-58 be adopted? I'll entertain a motion to approve. So moved. The motion is there a second? Second. And seconded. Any discussion on the adoption of the amended ordinance? Hearing none, clerk will call the roll on the motion to adopt.

Getsay? Yes. Greenspan? Yes.

Van Dyke? No.

Nnari?

Yes.

Del Regno? Yes. Levesque?

Yes.

Havelka? Yes.

The motion carries, that ordinance is adopted. We have several items up for third reading. Ordinance 2026-77.

An ordinance amending section two, condition six of ordinance 1989-224 entitled an ordinance considering an application for a conditional use permit from Bryce Blackman for professional office use on a historical site located at 27519 Detroit Road within a residential district in the city of Westlake.

I'll entertain a motion to adopt. So moved. So motion, is there a second? Second. And seconded. Any discussion? Hearing none, clerk will call the roll on the motion to adopt.

Greenspan? Yes. Van Dyke? Yes. Nanari? Yes. Del Regno? Yes. Levesque? Yes. Havalka? Yes. Katze? Yes.

That item is, that ordinance is adopted. Ordinance 2026-84.

An ordinance supplementing section 1203 use of the zoning code as to definitions.

This item will be on the next agenda for fourth reading. We'll be setting a public hearing for September 17th. Under second reading, Ordinance 2026-87.

An ordinance approving the preliminary plan of Ascendant Center Ridge Major Subdivision in the City of Westlake.

Ordinance 2026-88.

An ordinance considering a conditional use permit for a professional service and recreational use.

This item will set a public hearing for September 17th. Ordinance 2026-90.

An ordinance considering a conditional use permit for a preschool.

This is the item where the applicant is asked if the item be withdrawn. So it's on for second reading. So we will have it on for a third reading at our next meeting.

It can be defeated tonight. You can suspend the rules.

We would have to suspend the rules if we wish to do that. OK, fine. If then, it just wasn't stated on the agenda that we were suspending the rules. So I'll entertain a motion, Mr. Getsay, to suspend the rule. Mr. Getsay, please make a motion to suspend.

Yeah, I'll make a motion to suspend section 3, or article 3, section 10 of the charter, the rule requiring three separate readings for ordinance 2690.

So motion to suspend the rules. Is there a second? Second. Motion's made and seconded. Discussion on the motion to suspend? Hearing none, clerk will call the roll on the motion to suspend. Van Dyke? Yes.

Hanari? Yes. Del Regno? Yes. Levesque? Yes. Havalka? Yes. Getze? Yes. Greenspan?

Yes. That motion carries to suspend. Now, as my previous statement, ordinance 2026-90, the applicant has withdrawn their application and is asking this item not move forward. So we will entertain a motion to adopt. So moved. Is there a motion? Second. And seconded to adopt. Any discussion? Clerk will roll the motion to adopt.

Van Dyke?

No.

Nnari?

No.

Del Rago? No. Levesque?

No.

Havelka? No. Gadsay? No. Greenspan?

No. That item fails. We have several items for first reading adoption under suspension of the rules. Resolution 2026-97.

Did you need to have a motion?

I'm sorry, do you have a motion to suspend? Correct.

Mr. Getzik? We're doing all of them?

Yes.

Yes, I will make a motion to suspend Article 3, Section 10 of the Charter, the rule requiring three separate readings for the items listed.

There's been a motion to suspend. Is there a second? Second. Motion is made and seconded. Discussion on the motion to suspend. Hearing none, clerk call the roll on the motion to suspend.

Nannari? Yes. Del Regno? Yes. Levesque? Yes. Havalka? Yes. Getze? Yes. Greenspan? Yes. Van Dyke?

Yes. The motion carries. The rules are suspended. Resolution 2026-97.

A resolution accepting the 2026-2027 Ohio Attorney General's Drug Use Prevention Grant.

UNDERTAIN A MOTION TO ADOPT. SO MOVED. SECOND. SECOND. SECOND IN DISCUSSION, MAYOR. SECOND. SECOND.

AGAIN, THIS WILL BE USED BY AGAIN, THIS WILL BE USED BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR HELPING TO SUPPORT THE DARE HELPING TO SUPPORT THE DARE OFFICERS IN THE SCHOOLS OR THE OFFICERS IN THE SCHOOLS OR THE SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS. SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS. ABOUT $22,000. ABOUT $22,000. 22, 23. 22, 23.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?

Del Regno? Yes. Levesque? Yes. Havelka? Yes. Getze? Yes. Greenspan? Yes. Van Dyke? Yes. Nannari?

Yes. Motion carries that resolution is adopted. Ordinance 202698.

An ordinance to revise the codified ordinances by adopting current replacement pages.

I'll entertain a motion to adopt. I'll move. Is there a motion or a second? Second. Motion is made and seconded. This is our normal ordinance that we adopt with Walter Drain to codify our ordinances.

How come it says none?

Mr. President. Yes. Sometimes we're adopting changes in the revised code. There were none. That's odd. But there were changes to the Westlake code.

Okay. Which end up in the same publication. Okay. Got it.

Any further, good catch. Any further questions? No? Okay, clerk will call the roll on the motion to adopt. Levesque? Yes.

Havalka? Yes. Gatsey? Yes. Greenspan? Yes. Van Dyke? Yes. Minari? Yes. Del Regno?

Yes. Motion carries, that ordinance is adopted.

ordinance 2026 99 an ordinance establishing a moratorium on accepting for filing and consideration and or issuing zoning approvals and or occupancy permits for any building structure use or change of use involving data centers as a use for a period not to exceed 12 months and declaring an emergency

Okay, first we'll open up the ordinance for discussion, then we'll entertain a motion to amend. So, entertain a motion to adopt ordinance 2026-99. So moved. Is there a motion or a second? Second. And seconded, okay. Now we've got that open, we know that we want to make an amendment to the ordinance. Mr. Van Dyke?

Yes, Mr. President, I'd like to make an amendment or amend it to read instead of 12 months, it would say the period not to exceed six months with two 90-day renewals for a total of 12 months and declaring an emergency.

Okay, there's a motion to amend. Is there a second? I'm sorry. There's a motion to amend with that language as read by Mr. Van Dyke. Is there a second? Second. Motion is made and seconded. Discussion on that amendment?

Is there any discussion? We move on this now. That's in. We have not defined.

We can entertain another motion to amend data center. This is just merely the term, an amendment to the term. We can have several amendments within one ordinance. So we'll come back in a minute on the definition of data center, but this is just to amend the 12 months to 180 days with 290 day.

Mr. President, maybe I'll just add. So this is not... BANNING THEM OR IN SUPPORT OF THEM.

LET'S GET ALL THE AMENDMENTS DONE. OKAY. RIGHT NOW THERE'S AN AMENDMENT TO AS MR. VAN DYKE READ, AMENDMENT HAS BEEN MOTIONED AND SECONDED. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION TO AMEND? NONE. CLERK COLLAR ON THE MOTION TO AMEND.

Valka? Yes. Getsay? Yes. Greenspan? Yes. Van Dyke? Yes. Nenari? Yes. Del Regno?

Yes. Levesque? Yes. Okay that motion carries so the ordinance is currently has been amended. I understand that we will look to add another amendment to further define data centers and this one may be a little done on the fly in order because we did not have any preparation to prepare an amendment. Mr. Van Dyke, what are you thinking?

Well, so AI told me, oh, I shouldn't say AI, right? But we could use something to the effect of a data center as a physical facility or building that houses computer systems, servers, and related hardware to store, process, and distribute digital information.

That still doesn't address, we have a data center in the basement.

What if it? Yeah, Mr. Levesque, did you? Yes, perhaps a building that exists exclusively for that reason, like if it's their main function of that building.

So I also used AI, and the definition I came up with is data center for private business use, often called an enterprise data center or private cloud data center. So we're talking about private business. So it would include companies that are within the city, including the city itself, that has server farms within its business.

They have a private data center. I can open a private data center.

Mr. President? Yes. I would prefer not getting into too much detail on the definition. As evidenced by this discussion, we don't want to lock ourselves in the corner on this. So why don't we just leave data centers alone and see where the chips fall. Then the law director will guide you along. If somebody decides they need a permit for a data center in their basement, we'll address it at THAT'S MY SUGGESTION. THE MORE WE DEFINE IT, THE MORE TROUBLE WE MIGHT FIND OURSELVES IN, ALTHOUGH I GET THE POINT. IT'S ALL VERY SPANKING NEW, SO WE WANT TO BE ON THE CUTTING EDGE OF DEFINING DATA CENTERS RIGHT NOW.

Yeah, I'm just because I'm the permitting if we if we more time goes on. And we have a business that's coming in and they need they need their own data center. And we're going to turn around or an existing one says hey, we need to. We need to build another building. We're doing that well. They didn't have to go through a permitting process. Is that what you're saying? Mr Maloney right now they don't.

If we did this, though, if this was enacted, they would need to go through a special permitting process for that. If you pass this, yes. So right now, that's kind of my point. The more you lock this down, the more the city will be requiring. That's what my concern would be. Right now, they don't need it.

They do not need it, correct.

And my concern is- Other than regular development, depending on the size of the project, plain old requirements of a development plan. Right now, there's no permit required at all. You might want to. I'm just again.

I see where you're going with it. I just get concerned that we're going to have an existing business that says, hey, I need and we're going to have to say, OK, you're going to wait three months to go through our permitting process.

And that's the benefit of the amendment you guys just made. Instead of 12, you're tightening that up six months. It probably take that long to design and all that right to design and build probably take six months. So I think that's a nice amendment. ADDRESSES. SEE, MR. VAN DYKE, AS USUAL, YOU ARE ON THE BALL.

AT THE SUGGESTION OF THE PRESIDENT. BUT, OKAY.

SO, DO YOU... YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S... I understand what you're saying. Defining it and narrowing it down and pitching hole ourselves, I'll say, is going to, could cause us some problems down the road. And I also think that we could be telling a local business that we love and support that now you wait. You're going to have to wait. You're going to have to wait.

That is what you're doing.

And I think that's a, from the planning department side of things, we do see this. I mean, we've brought it up numerous times here, the CUPS that we put out there We know they're good to go. But it's a two-month process to go through it for Medical tattooing is my example, right? I mean that one we that poor lady trying to do a great service that had to wait two months to go through our our issues I just want to make sure we're all aware of what we're doing now to an existing building or existing business in the city of Wesley and

So I'll just say the purpose of this actually was that since the code was silent on this, the idea was that we would actually define what we meant by that. And because otherwise somebody could come into town and Buy up. You know half our industrial area and put something very large in that which would have to go through.

It's not. Is it? Is it Mr. Bedell? Would that be considered in industrial area? Could they? Could they go through? Is that a conditional use for industrial?

Well, here's the issue. We don't have a definition for what a data center is. It's not identified in our code. There is something in our code that allows determination of similar use. They would go through that process. And by going through that process, you would be forced to come up with a definition. And, you know, so... It actually gives the leverage to the person that is applying for that determination versus you actually spearheading it.

So if someone came in right now and said hey, Acme Data Center showed up at your desk and said I want to apply to I'm putting in a data center. I just bought. 80 acres over in the industrial zone. What would you tell them?

We would tell them that is it is we have a permissive code. It's not identified in our code, therefore it's not allowed.

However, but what was just read by AI? They've defined, AI defines what a data center is. AND IT APPEARS, AND I'M NOT A LAWYER, THAT THAT DEFINITION COULD FIT A NUMBER OF THINGS, A NUMBER OF BUSINESSES.

YEAH, I'M CONCERNED. WE HAVE SEVERAL LARGE COMPANIES HERE AND I'M JUST GOING TO, FOR EXAMPLE PURPOSES, ST. JOHN'S HAS TO DO SOME SIGNIFICANT UPGRADES FOR WHATEVER REASON. THEY BUILT AN ADJACENT BUILDING And they're putting their computer systems. Is that a data center? And are we stopping them from doing that right now?

With this definition, yeah, that's what you have to sort out. That's why you need. Right, is it my missing something? That's no, but I'm just saying they may.

They might be an emergency situation. Yeah, they have a fire. They have a fire and their data center gets wiped out.

So, but I guess here, but I guess my response is we can address it at that point. If there's something, what you've just described, then why would we not be able to address that if that's, you know? At what length? What's that? At what process? What process do we go through for that?

We're gonna have to go through, according to Mr. Bedell, we go through a CUP application. which would be, we've narrowed it down to about two months to take, to get through.

Actually, I think the way it works now would be the hospital is the main use, and just like our, you know, here, this office is the main use. The data center that we have for the city is an accessory use. So as an accessory use, it would be, that's much different than having one of these large-scale data centers that's going to be the main use of the... If it's the main use, that's where we're telling them. No, the code doesn't allow it, but an accessory used to a main use. That's you know, that's that's just a function of having a business today. Having computers so we wouldn't even be reviewing that.

So in Mr Gatsby's example, we wouldn't review it. It would be approved and go through.

It would be an accessory in allowed accessory office or in their case hospital use.

So if I may, Mr. President, we're wandering a bit here. The question was, should we create, should council create a restrictive definition of data center? That's where we were 10 minutes ago. Now we're wandering off the ranch. The stuff you're talking, my opinion, the stuff you're talking about now is exactly what you need to talk about over the next three months, as opposed to strictly defining data center. It solves nothing along the lines of Mark's example to further and more definitely describe data center. That doesn't address your question whatsoever. ARE WE BACK TO, ARE WE DEFINING IT OR NOT? CAN WE GET THAT DONE, PERHAPS? SAVE ALL THE REST FOR THE MEETINGS YOU'RE GOING TO DO OVER THE NEXT SIX MONTHS?

WHAT I'M HEARING IS BASED ON THE CIRCUMSTANCES PROVIDED THAT A DEFINITION IS NOT NECESSARY AT THIS TIME BECAUSE IT'S A, WHAT WAS YOUR DEFINITION? ACCESSORY. ACCESSORY USE. SO IT WOULD NOT QUALIFY.

QUESTION ONE MORE. Do smaller companies have their server in a different location than their own building?

Sometimes they can. It really depends on the use case, but that is possible.

I think we used to do that. City, we used to have our servers located somewhere else. Is that considered...

Everything in the cloud on a different server? If you're cloud-based or if it's still an accessory use.

Well, some companies use the cloud, some maintain their own.

Yeah, okay.

But anyway. If I may just say that, so what prompted this from my thought on this was that I was reading some articles about it and they said that on, you know, we picture them as these mega uh, buildings, but they could be on 10 acre sites or they could be. And, but so the question, the reason why I think we should study it is what is, what's a small one, medium, big, how do they function and how does that, what's the impact on the community? So is it, uh, you know, I don't know enough about it. And so that's, I, that was the purpose of this was to study it. Now, I suppose we could do without a moratorium. We could just study it while we're But the thought behind it was because of the amount of interest out there that it would be worthwhile for us to pause for just a little bit, study it, determine what makes sense for Westlake, and then vote on it. So that was sort of the thought. And again, it's not to preclude somebody from Well, let me say it differently. We're not trying to affect local businesses that have computer systems in their buildings. That's not my intent with this, and I'm not sure it necessarily does that.

Any further discussion? Yes, I agree with what Mr Van Dyke and principle is trying to do. I believe that Mr Bedell has. Hit upon something that kind of protects all the existing businesses. If you go up and down all the businesses around here, travel centers, Highland, they all have huge, huge data systems. Nick Mayer Lincoln has a huge data system. There's no doubt about all the existing stuff. We're not saying that we're talking about a business coming in strictly... come it not coming in on on a you know it's a totally this is a new this is why we have to stop and and prepare and focus on this we do not want to rush into this that's why i'm in agreement with this i'm not trying to stop anybody from you know of the 3 200 businesses we have in westlake from functioning i'm trying to keep everything protected for people that are going to be coming in and doing these things that are not, you know, we need to look further and research further on this avenue. That's what I say.

I agree with the principle that is being done, but this specifically says in here, okay, ISSUING ZONING APPROVALS AND OR ACCOMMODATES FOR ANY BUILDING STRUCTURE USE OR CHANGE OF USE INVOLVING DATA CENTERS AS A USE. IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT EXISTING USE.

WE NEED TO CHANGE THAT.

THAT'S MY PROBLEM WITH IT.

MR. GUERRERO, WHAT IF WE SAID Would that be a way to, or exclusive?

I don't believe that these businesses refer to their IT infrastructure as a data center. I think they have data and they have servers, but when somebody says I'm going to build a data center, they're not talking about something they're adding to their business. They're talking about a specific business that their sole function is to process data.

however in here it says data center for purposes of this more time shall be defined as a physical facility housing computers and or networking equipment that is primarily used for data processing how about we put the word exclusively in that that defines every computer how about we put that in there then a building or structure designed exclusively for wasn't that a computer room all the time

No, it's a part of a room. It's not the building. It's part of the building. I don't know that we have existing businesses that have entire buildings dedicated to data.

We could. I mean, Highland at one point probably had a building strictly devoted to data, right?

But that's not their main business, though. Highland is not a data server business. They had a building that was strictly for data coming through.

Mr. Bedell. Um, there's a PZL meeting coming up. I wonder if this is something you might want to send to PZL and PZL and we could work with PZL and maybe put together a definition that that will do what everyone is wanting that I'm hearing. Because I I don't. I it's really hard to do this on the floor like this on the fly.

Here the number one sponsor and chair of the same committee.

Well, we can certainly send it to the committee, but I.

The exposure we have is we have no guidance right now. So the exposure is over the next two weeks. Exactly. It could happen like that.

Actually, I say we do have guidance because you define data center right here is what we're trying to do. And it's defined right here in the ordinance.

Right, but in the absence of adopting this, we are just as exposed until it's adopted. That's my point.

That's the whole point. That's why I don't know legal. I think maybe we need to stop, have legal review everything, and get back to us at the next meeting. So I would tender to table this till...

the next meeting but then we're still at the we're still at the we're still exposed exposed so yeah but we're talking two weeks we're not talking six months i'm just trying to vex as they pop up like that well right i understand i mean there's it doesn't take long when cleveland had people come into slavic village they had no idea where they were coming from it was a multi-billion dollar project and they would They didn't even have any any clue that it was that they were coming.

So so so my suggestion is we if you're with me medieval to it is to adopt it so that we have this in place. We will expedite as quickly as possible to review and if we then think we need to come back in and take this ordinance. Even the next two weeks from now and do a little bit of fine-tuning to it to make everybody even more comfortable I'm willing to do that, but I am concerned about not passing it tonight just because of what's going on out in the world and we we want to be able to You know like everything else with the City of Westlake make sure that we're Considering all the different aspects when we're dealing with things well into mr. Van Dyke's point This is an ordinance not a charter provision.

So we have the ability to amend it And if need be, although not preferable, I could always call a special meeting if there's some urgent situation that comes up. So I would support Mr. Van Dyke's comment of adopting this as we've amended it. Ask in committee next Tuesday. You provide some better clarity to this and we can come back at the next meeting with a new ordinance amending language from this one, in this one. It's a process.

I'd like to hear Mr. Maloney's take on this.

You've heard it. I want to hear it. And Mark's right. It's not a terrible effort. The definition, the language that's in the proposed ordinance isn't terrible. It gives you some parameters for now.

Yeah, but it includes every computer room around.

I appreciate your view of it.

But this doesn't mean that if a business needs to, as Mr. Bedell said, in your example, if something happens over at the hospital, they would, and they had to replace their existing server, I'll say server room, server farm, that they would still be able to do it. They probably wouldn't even have to come before us anyhow for that type of replacement work.

They moved it to a different building and need an occupancy permit, they would.

They would, but we're talking giving this in two weeks.

I know, it's risk.

Yeah. But even if somebody came in tomorrow, hypothetically, they'd still have to go through a process. You can't just open your door on this. That's not going to happen here, especially in Westlake.

You'd be surprised the chatter that's out there that I heard Tuesday.

Okay. Well, that's why we're here.

Yeah. So, Mr. Van Dyke, you know, I'm okay with adopting it as amended, looking at it next Tuesday, coming back the next meeting if we need to further clarify through another ordinance the definition of data center to provide us some cover.

That would be my suggestion. This way at least puts it in place and protects the city for the time being and we can then refine the definition so everybody feels comfortable with it. But I ACTUALLY THINK, WELL, I'M NOT SURE THAT IT PRECLUDES SOMEBODY FROM ADDING A FEW COMPUTERS TO THEIR BUILDING FOR THEIR OFFICE. SO I GUESS, MR. PRESIDENT, MY SUGGESTION IS WE VOTE ON IT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS. OKAY.

SO WE HAVE TWO PATHS. WE CAN ADOPT THIS THIS EVENING AS AMENDED AND ASK THE COMMITTEE ON TUESDAY TO LOOK AT DEFINING THIS ANY AMBIGUITY THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE HERE AND COME BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING WITH A RECOMMENDED LANGUAGE TO AMEND THE CODE, BECAUSE AT THAT POINT IT WOULD BE ADOPTED, IT'S GOT AN EMERGENCY CLAUSE. OR IF MEMBERS WISH TO AND THE SPONSOR WISHES TO MOVE THIS FORWARD, AREN'T COMFORTABLE WITH THIS, VOTE NO AND IT FAILS AND THEN WE COME BACK IN TWO WEEKS WITH ANOTHER ORDINANCE HAVING THE COMMITTEE MET TO MODIFY THE LANGUAGE. THOSE ARE THE TWO OPTIONS. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS. A YAY VOTE DOES ONE, A NAY VOTE DOES THE OTHER.

Well, for what it's worth, I think the second option is a poor option, so.

We would be exposed.

Correct.

Okay, any further discussion? Hearing none, clerk will call the roll on the motion to adopt Ordinance 202699 as amended.

Velka, yes, that's a yes Greenspan. Yes Van Dyke. Yes, the Nari. Yes Del Regno. Yes, Laveck.

Yes Thank you. Mr. Van Dyke, please add this to your committee agenda. We'll do some we'll do some homework on it.

Great next item resolution 2026 100 a resolution accepting the amounts and rates as determined by the Budget Commission and authorizing the necessary tax levies and certifying them to the county fiscal officer a

UNDERTAIN A MOTION TO ADOPT SO MOVE IN A MOTION IS THERE A SECOND SECOND MAYOR.

OK COUNCIL COUNCIL SHOULD HAVE GOT THE PROPOSED MILLAGE RATES AGAIN THEY HAVE NOT BEEN INCREASED IN A NUMBER OF YEARS. EVERYONE GOT THE LISTING SO I WOULD RECOMMEND OF COURSE THAT WE APPROVE IT.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. Hearing none, clerk will call the roll on the motion to adopt.

Getsay? Yes. Greenspan? Yes. Van Dyke? Yes. Nenari? Yes. Del Regno? Yes. Levesque? Yes. Havalka? Yes.

The motion carries that resolution is adopted. Resolution 2026-101.

A resolution authorizing the mayor to apply for and accept the 2026-27 EMS grant through the Ohio Department of Public Safety Division of Emergency Medical Services for training and medical equipment.

UNDERTAIN A MOTION TO ADOPT. SO MOVED. SECOND. SECOND IN DISCUSSION, MAYOR.

AGAIN, THIS WAS THE GRANT THAT WOULD BE USED BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR PURPOSES OF SUPPLIES. IT'S ONLY ABOUT $1200 THIS YEAR.

CHIEF, YOU GOT TO CATCH UP WITH THE OTHER CHIEF THERE. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?

Greenspan? Yes. Van Dyke? Yes. Nenari? Yes. Del Regno?

Yes.

Lovac?

Yes.

Havelka? Yes. Gatsey? Yes.

The motion carries. That resolution is adopted. Ordinance 2026-102.

An ordinance authorizing the mayor to purchase one 2026 Pierce Enforcer Pumper Demo Unit with selected options for the fire department through the Source Well Cooperative Purchasing Program and declaring an emergency.

I'll entertain a motion to adopt. So moved. Is there a second? Second. And seconded discussion. Mayor?

I'd just like to ask the chief, what was the anticipated savings by buying this demo truck?

Well, the salesman indicated to me there's approximately $50,000 savings on the price tag of the truck itself. In addition to that, there's a $20,000 upfitting from a third-party vendor that's built into this price. So when we receive the truck, it goes to the third party, and they... Essentially the cabinets out to hold to store all of our equipment Customize it so that so there's very little Cost in addition to this to getting it on the road because that cost is built in And Mary you you and I discussed not only is it that monetary cost but it's the cost the opportunity cost of waiting For a new truck to come online, correct?

That's what I'm being told

Yeah, we're excited about this opportunity for a number of reasons. This vehicle was brought to our attention by our sales rep because he realized it's very, very similar to the last Pierce engine that we bought, which is very important to us operationally to have our fire engines be as similar as possible. So when he noticed that they had this coming as a demo, he reached out to me. So it checks the box for us operationally. We save some money buying the demo. We save a ton of time, obviously, if we had to spec out a custom truck to try and match our previous purchase. That's where we're getting into the three-year waiting period. So we're saving time, we're saving money, and we're getting what we need operationally. So we're very excited.

And is the warranty the same? Yes, it is.

OK. And will we get anything back for the old unit, or is that being donated to another department?

The old unit will go on GovDeals and be sold.

On a what?

It'll be sold on GovDeals. Okay.

And are most of our fire apparatus Pierce?

Or are we between Pierce and... After this purchase, our fire apparatus will be three Pierce and one Sutphin. Okay.

All right. Any further discussion? Hearing none, clerk will call the roll on the motion to adopt. Nandyke? Yes.

Nannari? Yes. Telregno? Yep. Levesque? Yes. Havelka? Yes. Gadsay? Yes. Greenspan? Yes.

That motion carries. That ordinance is adopted. Ordinance 2026103.

An ordinance accepting an easement from Hope Point Place Limited for the installation and maintenance of a water main for Rowan Gate cluster development in the city of Westlake.

UNDERTAIN A MOTION TO ADOPT. SO MOVED. SO MOVED. SO MOVED. SECOND. SECOND. SECOND. SECOND. SECOND. SECOND. SECOND. SECOND. SECOND. SECOND. SECOND.

SECOND.

SECOND. SECOND. SECOND. SECOND. SECOND. SECOND. SECOND. SECOND. SECOND. SECOND. SECOND. SECOND. SECOND. SECOND. SECOND. SECOND. SECOND. SECOND. SECOND. SECOND. SECOND. SECOND.

SECOND. SECOND. SECOND. SECOND. SECOND. SECOND. SECOND. SECOND. SECOND. SECOND. SECOND. SECOND. SECOND. SECOND. SECOND. Nenari? Yes. Del Regno? Yes. Levesque? Yes.

Havelka? Yes. Gadsay? Yes. Greenspan? Yes. Van Dyke?

Yes. That ordinance is adopted. Ordinance 2026-114. I'm sorry, 104.

An ordinance authorizing the mayor to enter into a contract with Trackman for golf ball tracking system and declaring an emergency.

I'll entertain a motion to adopt. So moved. Second? Second. And seconded. Discussion, mayor?

I explained it a little bit earlier. It basically includes the technology and apparently the devices that are used to track where the ball is being hit and where it's going during these practice ranges. I've never used one. They're pretty slick, so I just want to see where it goes or if it goes.

They're pretty slick. Any further discussion? Mr. Nahr, you look like you were going to say something.

No.

Okay. I was excited about the mayor getting out there and hitting some balls. Yeah. All right. Without any further discussion, clerk will roll the motion to adopt.

Del Regno?

Yes.

Levesque?

Yes.

Havalka? Yes. Getze? Yes. Greenspan? Yes. Van Dyke? Yes. Nannari?

Yes. The motion carries. One item under miscellaneous business, ordinance 2026-95, which is in PCL. Is it 99 or is it 95? No.

Well, just to- 95.

The data center.

Got you. 95. Okay, so 2026-95 is in PZL. If we do not extend it, it will be considered approved by the committee and then be brought before council. We're not ready for that. It still needs some work in committee. So with that, I'll entertain a motion to extend the time period for ordinance 2026-95 to November 13th, 2026. So moved. So the motion is there a second? Second. And seconded. Any discussion on the motion? Hearing none, clerk will call the roll on the motion. Levesque? Yes.

Havalka? Yes. Gatsay? Yes. Greenspan? Yes. Van Dyke? Yes. Monari? Yes. Del Ragno?

Yes. Motion carries. That ordinance is adopted. Before I turn over to Mr. Van Dyke for a comment on former council member at HACC. In your packet, you received the information we have so far for the committee meeting on Thursday. I want to get this to you a week in advance so you can look at it. This information primarily relates to short-term rentals.

We did not... And also, Mr. President, I sent an email to, I believe to you and the law director. I'm not sure if the other members of council got it. It's there. On short-term rentals?

On short-term rentals.

I did not receive that.

If not, I'll do it. We will if you would please send it to the clerk and she'll distribute it to counsel I Didn't look at have a chance to look at the packet Mr. Van Dyke.

Yes. Thank you. Mr. President. So as as you Referenced we lost at hack last month At 79 years old but still a fit 79 and I just wanted to say a few words about him. He he YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS ADMIRED HIM VERY MUCH AND PART OF THE REASON I RAN FOR OFFICE, IT WAS BECAUSE OF HOW MUCH I ADMIRED HIM AND HOW HE REPRESENTED THE WARD AND THE CITY AND HIS THOUGHTFULNESS ON DIFFERENT ISSUES. YOU KNOW, HE WAS ONE TO SPEAK HIS MIND. and always was looking out to do the right thing for the city. It was interesting at his funeral, both the pastor at St. Bernadette's and his son really brought out all the same things, which is that he was somebody who everybody, many people came to him and asked for advice, whether it was his family or his friends or his neighbors, and certainly that was my case. He was, you know, truly a mentor and a friend and an advisor. And he served our community well for 12 years, and not just on the council, but also in other volunteer ways that I didn't even know about. So I just wanted to honor him here for a moment and, you know, give our sympathy to Sue and his family. He will be missed and again, just really appreciate the person that he was and the service he provided our community. So thank you. Thank you. I'd just like to say something for a minute too.

Just having known Ed and his family and just getting me started and helping mentor me. He was one of my mentors too. And early on, you know, when I thought about Coming into doing what I love the best serving the community He was instrumental in that and even after you know, I mean he him and Mike they had the place down on the lake we went over there several times and even when when you know he was out of office he always kept his you know his touch he always came around he came to several things he came here and to council meetings various times but it was just just an honor to to watch how he behaved and how he handled himself and um my one of my best friends is a judge and said he was truly one of the best lawyers and legal minds too just a just a super guy all the way around. And I enjoyed him talking about all his family and all their trips. They took a lot of trips. But anyhow, I'm just saying that. Thank you. Thank you.

Any other comments? A QUICK COMMENT. I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH ED HACK AS WELL AS MANY OF THE OTHER COUNCILMEN THAT ARE NO LONGER HERE. AND WHAT I CAN SAY ABOUT ED AND MANY OF THE OTHER COUNCILMEN IS THAT THEY HAD THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY AT HEART. WE DIDN'T ALWAYS AGREE. OF COURSE, THAT'S THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE. But my first experience with Ed was when he really decided he was going to run for council. And it was the middle of January, and we had to get together to get the signatures done within two or three days. We got them done. And he went on from there to basically serve this community for a number of years. And he enjoyed it. You could tell that he enjoyed serving his constituents as well as this community to make it a better community.

Thank you. Any other comments? No. Is there any other business before council? Hearing none, at 9.06, I'll entertain a motion to adjourn.

So moved. Motion. Is there a second?

Second.

All in favor, signify by saying aye. Aye.

All opposed? We are adjourned.