Economic Development Committee - Regular Meeting

In Ordnung, ich rufe die Sitzung des Ausschusses für Wirtschaftsförderung vom Montag, den 17. August, zur Ordnung. Der erste Tagesordnungspunkt ist der namentliche Aufruf Mitglieder.

Ratsmitglied Crayons. Ratsmitglied Owens. Ratsmitglied Mabry. Ratsmitglied Dedwell. Ratsmitglied Means. Ratsmitglied I will pronounce that correctly. Hummer. Oh, wonderful. Council Member Becker?

Present.

Council Member Attenburg?

Perfect. Thank you. Next is the approval of the protocol of the sessions of July 20 and 26 on the agenda. I request an application. Application made by Council Member Kahn, supported by Council Member C.R. All for it. Assumed. Next agenda item, public statement. Is there a public statement? I don't see any here. Is anyone online?

No, Mr. Chairman. No one online.

We'll continue directly. Discussions. First, to the information of the update on the latest business changes and other economic news.

Thank you, Chairman. Just a few updates for tonight. We start with a sad message, but ... Heels Boutique has been in business for almost a decade, actually even longer. has officially closed. That had no negative reason, except for the peace of mind, for which we only wish her the best. Anyway, she had a few events in advance of the weekend, of the last weekend, to celebrate a kind of conclusion. They are there, next to Starbucks. At the moment we have not yet confirmed whether another renter will move into her rooms, but they are officially closed. The person just wants to go into a calm state. So good for you. We wish you the best. A few more updates. Silver Spoon Ice Cream opened in the 17,520 New College A. I think it was 22 or early 2023 or early 2021. They originally opened their first location here in Wildwood, then expanded to Eureka and then opened another location in Chesterfield. The business is officially closing today. And as a reason, it was said that they simply don't have the personnel to keep them. In addition, they make most of their revenue at their locations in Eureka and Chesterfield. So they consolidate their business to leave a smaller footprint. It is regrettable, we talked to them and they really appreciated what Wildwood has done to support the company, but they try to reduce their presence in the St. Louis region. Apart from that, is there any other negative news about the Tula Indian Perth & Bar? We've already seen that. They were pretty quiet in the social media and had no real active presence at the site, 16,021 Main Street. Who? According to all the reports, even if we can't confirm it 100%, it seems that they have also closed. The department was in the office for quite a long time on Friday evening and then actually went there to see if they had opened. At the time, this was not the case. Auf der Website steht also derzeit geschlossen. Wir versuchen jedoch weiterhin die Geschäftsinhaber zu kontaktieren, um dies zu bestätigen. Ein paar positivere Nachrichten und wir wünschen Ihnen das Beste. Beste! Wir haben Marble Health Concepts in der 1698 Manchester Road. Manchester Road. Im selben Gebäude wie Amunds Floor Care. Sie haben tatsächlich bereits eröffnet. Es ist eine chiropraktische Praxis und sie werden eine feierliche Eröffnung mit der Handelskammer und der Stadt veranstalten. Es wird eine gemeinsame Eröffnungsfeier am Mittwoch, den 26. August um 11.30 Uhr sein. Jeder hier ist natürlich herzlich eingeladen und wir hoffen, dass alle kommen können. Ein kurzes Dankeschön Edward Jones noch einmal zum Schluss. Wir hatten am 29. Juli die Eröffnungsfeier für Sie, gelegen in 17.021 New College Avenue, direkt neben dem ehemaligen Standort von Silver Spoon. Patrick Shannon took over this location and it seems like it went very well. So we had a good start. We are happy to have you here and thank all council members as well as the mayor who came to support the company. A few more updates here. I have to say something positive. I just talked to the owner of Sugar Siren Melissa. She actually rented it from Mike Petruzzo, who owns the Wildwood Fitness Collective. She opens the Sugar Siren there, a specialized confectionery. The opening date has been postponed by about two weeks. They are currently working on some permits and their planned goal is to open everything by September 1st. This week, the department will be visiting Hershey's, who are currently working on the interior of the facility, to receive an update on when we can also plan an opening party for them. But we are very happy that they are coming. And then two short things that we want to talk about for the end of August and the beginning of September. MTS Kitchen has contacted the city regarding the location 16.01.30, Bild Plaza Drive, to reschedule the opening ceremony. We have been waiting for the return of a person to the city. He is now back to help with the coordination with the management of the temple to which the facility belongs. Wir werden versuchen, für die Eröffnungsfeier etwas zu planen, nicht diese Woche, aber möglicherweise Ende nächster oder in der Woche darauf. Halten Sie also Ausschau nach einer entsprechenden E-Mail. Ähnlich verhält es sich mit dem NX Workplace. Wir sind noch etwas früher im Prozess, aber wir werden das wahrscheinlich auf die erste oder zweite Septemberwoche verschieben. We are in the State Route 109, house number 126. You have now been open for a few weeks or months. Nevertheless, the owner has reported to us. Originally they wanted to live in it, but now they are ready for an opening party to welcome the community and to get more attention. We are very happy about it. It seems to be going well. Some people already rent rooms there. They are specialized in offering jobs.

You can rent a small cabin or conference room there, similar to WeWork.

We are developing pretty well. Just one note, of course, we have Marble Health Concepts. Also, we have the Annex and MTS Kitchen. All this will probably take place within the next 30 days. So just keep an eye out for e-mails about this. If anyone wants to book the appointment for Marble Health Concepts, Wednesday, August 26th, at 11.30 a.m. Then we have a few more usual updates from the city. The farmer's market will continue to take place every Saturday. So if anyone is watching, please visit us on Saturdays from 8 to 12. And then we have a few more big events. I just wanted to point out that we have our Back to School Party and our Route 66 film festival on Friday, August 21st. So that's pretty soon. A great opportunity to attract more people to the area of the city center. Hopefully this will lead to more trade around the city center. And to be honest, we have a little special event here with a concert. But after that, K.A.R.S. 2 will be shown on a projector. That should start at 9 o'clock. End of 9.15. So we hope for a pretty well-visited event all the time. A great sound for the summer before school starts again. Just a short note, I want to thank the food trucks that jumped in and filled the gap that we previously covered with hot dogs. It seems that many residents would not have noticed that because they enjoyed the Chick-fil-A and the tacos. That's a big praise to our- We're still in Speisenau.

That's how it is.

That's how it looks. And then celebrate Whitewood. We can talk about it a little closer next month, but I just wanted to briefly thank all sponsors. The banners will be hung up shortly. The banners are already hanging. And we want to thank the sponsors very much. We are organizing our first Celebrate Wildwood here on the new Village Green and we have to make some organizational adjustments so that everything fits, everything looks very good. And it's great to have a permanent place for the event. So just for information, this is on September 19th.

Fair question. The capacity of the farmer's market is at 60 stands. Well, we typically already had more than 60 providers, but normally the number fluctuates. I mean, Joe, it's mostly over 60, but I sometimes have, most of the time it's just more than 50 providers. Is there a legal capacity limit, for example because of emergency exits or the like? There is a functional capacity, but no legal limitation on how many providers are part of it.

Have there ever been less than 60?

Du sagtest meistens über 50, aber als ich gestern oder vor zwei Tagen dort war, habe ich sie nicht gezählt, aber ich wüsste nicht, wann ich jemals mehr gefüllte Plätze gesehen hätte als am Samstag. Könnten es also mehr sein als am Samstag?

Und führen wir jede Woche eine Zählung durch?

Regardless of heat, rain or other, competition, other holidays or similar, we have a weekly count. Is that something for Theresa? Natalie, is it Natalie? Yes. Is that something that you protocol as an economic promotion committee?

This year we did not fall below 60 providers. That was the lowest value.

The highest value is, if I remember correctly, at 67.

And every Friday Ms. Mackerboy calls the providers who have paid and will participate in the newsletter. That's how we follow it. That they have paid and plan to participate, of course, does not mean that a few stay away for any reason, such as family emergencies, car breakdowns or because it's just too hot.

But this year we never fell below 60 providers. It simply impresses me that despite the enormous heat and the rain, we have never fallen below 60 providers this year.

That's pretty impressive for the reputation of the city. In fact, last year we were crowned the most successful market in the entire West County. When you talk to people, that's why we want to continue advertising, because we have built something very special here. Thank you, Drew.

Yes, he is really well visited in general. And when I was here the last time, people were on the field. I don't know how many fit into the normal boundaries, but it looked like people had spread out. I didn't make an exact count, but it definitely looked full of people and full of providers. So yes, exciting things. Another supplement to the recent business changes. Whitewood Village Green or Whitewood Plaza. There's a new sandwich shop there called CFI Semis. I talked to the mayor. He's doing pretty well. It's obviously a former military relative and I think we'll have a celebratory opening there in the near future. But I think that's something that's a little under the radar. I saw it on Facebook and made you aware of it. And that's something we'll also try to do something about. And it seems to be a business that's really going well. So, next point on the agenda, ready for voting, draft 3070, transfer. It is an examination of the proposed window advertising regulations and a possible exception for artistic window design. I know. Forgotten. We have B. We have B actually forgotten. Let's go back to B. Thank you, Chairman. Updating on the current and planned commercial development activity in Wildwood.

And this point should be pretty short. I just wanted to give a few short updates on the offer page. First of all, the Hector Group at LaSalle. We have learned that they no longer have the property under contract. We don't know what the future will look like at the moment, but nothing has been officially announced except for a conceptual idea of what the property could be. But to be honest, it has never really progressed. So we don't know at the moment if it will be on the market again. We know that the brothers have tried to sell it, so there is a good chance that it will be on the market again. And we will keep the meeting going. But for the Hector Group, at least in this area, it doesn't seem like they would continue. In addition, at the end of July we had a meeting of the Development and Zone Committee for the High Energy Cathars Academy Development at Manchester Road. There were some design components and functional criteria that I did not express there regarding parking and how it has to meet our architectural guidelines here in the city center, but in general it was a possibly manageable use. We have not received anything official from these units, but if that is the case, they will go through the usual examination process. No, that requires no revision. DZRC, right? That was pretty uncomplicated. So that would go directly to the planning and zone allocation, if we receive something officially. Then the last point here is not necessarily a new development, but just an interesting one and it's good news. The C.G. Squad from Ellisville, Missouri. It is a fitness collective for women. If you want a fitness studio and you want to open at the old location of the Central Bank Village Plaza. Since it is located in the city center and is a fitness studio, it is a leisure use in indoor spaces that would require a limited use permit. Therefore, it is included here under the point of suggestion, since it has to go to the planning and zone selection for this purpose. Apart from that, Jody, do you have anything to say about it?

I spoke to Sam Tynery, the manager of the Center for the Owners, and they have already received all documents for the process for approval of the limited use. So we try to plan it as quickly as possible. The two owners, a couple, I think we'll be at the beginning of next year. So there's still a little time left. And when I spoke to Mr. Tynery, he said that with the Central Bank, As tenants, all areas in the Village Plaza are rented. It took a long time for us to get there.

This actually contributes to the higher percentage of our rental rate that we now have. I would like to say that in the original incoming test in the year 2022, when we received the first data, we found that the plaza was at about 20% exhaust. To see it rise from 20% to almost full exhaust shows a really remarkable growth in this plaza. I just wanted to mention that briefly. There are five semis and a whole range of other companies that have shot down there and made a name for themselves in Wildwood.

Great news. And this bank takes up a large part of the building. That it is fully occupied will really be very good. So great news.

And if I may, Mr. Chairman, the bank account is on another property than the rest of the Village Plaza. In fact, the owner of the Village Plaza has now bought the property from the bank. So it is now also under joint ownership.

Even better. Do you have any more good news?

I'll leave that to you, Tom.

Something that came to my mind when I saw what I noticed a few days ago when I came across the roundabout from the back of Old Manchester. This development, Mia or...

Marbella. Marbella.

This, this is going well. I didn't say it's going damn well, but it's going well. And... We will be confronted with it when it's finished and expanded for the first time. And you put the Christmas tree on top of it. Will there be an economic pressure on the city with what I see? A very fast... sale. Have we done anything to use this and give ourselves an advantage that we have more opportunities for different people to deal with this pressure through new retailers and new service providers in the area? Let's think about a partial conversion, partial SCUDs, SC codes, whatever that is. Let's take a look at the guidelines, use regulations and zone categories and implement them as best as possible. Eine Sache kann ich dazu anmerken mit Ihrer Erlaubnis. Vorsitzender, wir hatten die Umwidmung von zwei Außenflächen und ein paar anderen Grundstücken. Na Mensch, ist dafür schnell Restaurants geprüft. Das wäre wahrscheinlich das beste Beispiel dafür, wie man versucht, diesen Leuten entgegenzukommen. Wir entscheiden unser Stadtzentrum nutzen. Es sind die Leute, die nach schnellen Gastronomieoptionen fragen. Davon abgesehen, wenn ich mich recht entsinne, beziehen Sie sich auf das Reserve. When these people are finished and everything is finished, so to speak, the cream on top of it, there will probably be a demand for additional commercial activity. And the hope is that we can direct them, finish the main street and then take them directly here to our city center. But as far as the infrastructure at Manchester Road in the west is concerned, the problem is that the sewerage has not been expanded. Therefore, there are certain restrictions on the closure. But if you look on the east side along Manchester Road, where we also have our Main Street, there are some possibilities. A good news is that not too many new offices or business buildings are being built at the moment. But to see that High Energy Gymnastics and the Countess Academy show interest in a property directly at Manchester Road is, in my opinion, an excellent sign of investment. And I think you see what you see in the projects. But if we talk to people who could bring investment to Wildwood, we first mention that we have an apartment complex that will soon add 180 units. They have 115 that are currently being built at the reserve. They have 30 over there at the Point at Brightleaf with the Marbella. There are still more, over 60. I mean, we will soon grow exponentially here. We will finally use part of the infrastructure that we have built to really bring it down. That's why I think we should now start to see some of the advantages of this activity, because we perceive the interest from the business side. But as far as special zones are concerned, Joe, I don't think we've done anything in this area.

As Tom mentioned, this is the only thing we have tried to do extraordinary, the pre-displacement of this property along Route 109 to accommodate drive-in facilities for quick service offers. In general, we have received resistance from the surrounding residential areas, especially from Main Street Crossing and Canberra. But I can assure the members of the Economic Promotion Committee that Tom and I have done everything in our power when these properties were planned to ensure that they have the least possible impact on the adjacent residential areas and offer the best possible visibility along Route 109.

How do you overcome the one hundred percent probability that everyone who is directly affected by a change is affected in his life, even if it is about property in the direct neighborhood that does not belong to him by nature against any change. Unless you build a free swimming pool for your children or something like that. I don't know how you can really inspire a property owner to make a change, what he sees as his free community property, his free park or his free grassland. Wie geht die Stadt vor? Wie will die Stadt die Leute eher mitnehmen, statt sie zu drängen? Was ist die offensichtliche Wahrnehmung jedes Grundstückseigentümers? Es widerspricht nicht der menschlichen Natur, ein NIMBY zu sein. Ich habe ziemlich viel erlebt, was ich damals in der Frühzeit der Planungsumierung als Bananas kennengelernt habe.

And this is a category that goes beyond build absolutely nothing anywhere near anything.

If you have a free property behind the house that you consider as your community area and that you can look at for 20 years and enjoy nature, you will be very resistant to any change. And that you say, well, that was the condition why I bought the property 20 years ago, so that I have this free land back there. Wie schafft es eine Stadt, das zu verkaufen, schmackhaft zu machen oder ähnliches, anstatt nur das, was ich jetzt sehe, dass diese Zonenänderungen vom Tisch sind oder nicht, während dieser Highway entlangrauscht und die Leute ständig die Geschwindigkeitsbegrenzung überschreiten, diese Außenparzellen oder Grundstücke, die eindeutig geeignet waren für eine andere Kategorie der gewerblichen Entwicklung. Ob man nun sagt, sie wurden verschwendet oder sie werden niemals genutzt werden. Gibt es jemals einen Weg, das zu überwinden? Nun, ich würde sagen, dass eines der Dinge, die die Stadt zu tun versuchte, genau aus diesem Grund die Vorabzohnung dieser Grundstücke war, weil dies bis zu einem gewissen Grad eine Garantie gibt und natürlich war auch eine bedingte Nutzungsgenehmigung daran geknüpft. Also hat die Stadt immer noch ziemlich viel Kontrolle über jeden zukünftigen Bebauungsvorschlag. As I said, that's exactly what the city wanted to achieve with the pre-zoning for these external plots. But there was a considerable resistance. The idea, if you want to do this with this or other property in a similar way, to perhaps enable something that is less precisely defined in our current law, is the pre-zoning of the property. I know we haven't done that traditionally and historically so far, because we usually only deal with suggestions when they come to us. Nevertheless, if you want to advance something specifically and really want to make the kind of investments that make it possible, then a pre-zoning can be the right approach in very limited cases. But I think, as I already mentioned, that some of the surrounding residential areas had considerable backlash in this regard. Did the city consider things like the Oyo properties? The wealthy areas on the West End and points along Highway 40, where 16-foot high noise protection walls were set up on the back of the property to the highway. It is far away, but we have already taken into account to look at companies that sell generators for white noise so that the whole drive on the other side of the noise protection wall is not heard. The people in Canberra and the other settlements would then no longer have a free view of the passing traffic. But for that the noise would be mostly gone. And we would eliminate one of the main factors for disturbances. The noise pollution.

Then of course there is the night light pollution. So if we eliminate both.

We simply take the wind out of the sails and it is inevitable. And you know how many tens of thousands of dollars we have spent just to satisfy your concerns and your justified resistance. So we will not answer that. I only think about things and ask myself why they always fail. The inhabitants of the city center within its borders recognize, although it is only a tiny 2% of the city. weder die Existenz noch die Gültigkeit noch die Genehmigung oder irgendetwas, das mit dem Masterplan zu tun hat, an. Sie wissen einfach nicht einmal, wie man Masterplan schreibt. Der Masterplan gilt nicht für mich. Der Masterplan gilt nicht für Wildwood. Sie glauben nicht daran. Das ist nicht richtig. Das sollte illegal sein. Es gibt zu viele davon. Die Grundstücke sind zu dicht gebaut. Nun, die Dichte der Grundstücke beträgt eigentlich nur 80% dessen, was das Stadtzentrum vorsieht. Sie sind also weniger dicht als das, was der Masterplan des Stadtzentrums seit 20 Jahren vorgibt.

Nun, das ist mir egal.

Es ist immer noch zu dicht.

Drei Morgengrundstücke. Wir müssen weg vom Aufzwingen hin zum Anlocken und Überzeugen. Alles, was bei der öffentlichen Anhörung von den Teilnehmern angesprochen wurde, floss in den Entwurf der Verordnung ein. Wir haben also den Drive-In-Schalter und die Lautsprecher an Richtung Route 109 verlegt. So lagen die Lautsprecher und der Drive-In-Schalter am Verkehr und das Gebäude stand zwischen den Wohnungen und dem Drive-In. We have written down earthquakes everywhere where it was applicable. And these earthquakes are a mass. They are more attractive than a sound protection wall and are cheaper. And then a corresponding greening. Everything you have mentioned regarding smell, noise and lighting, in my opinion, can be regulated by reasonable regulations. And so that you all know, the planning department will present its recommendation to the Planning and Sanitation Commission. Sie wird immer auf dem Plan basiert. Wenn der Plan sagt, dass diese Nutzung hier in Betracht gezogen werden kann und das Design angemessen ist, ist das die Begründung, die wir verwenden. Wir werden sie nicht auf einen Weg führen, bei dem wir sagen, es sei eine gute Nutzung, obwohl sie vom Plan nicht vorgesehen ist. Nein, das machen wir nicht und das sagen wir auch den Bewohnern. Dieser Plan besteht bereits länger. Er wurde x-mal aktualisiert, also folgen wir einfach dem Plan. Und der Plan ist für die Öffentlichkeit einsehbar.

Ich verstehe, dass wir Recht haben. Wir sind präziser. Soweit würde ich nicht gehen, aber... Sie haben einen verdammt guten Masterplan.

Er sollte viele Städte neidisch machen, die entweder keinen haben oder zu spät herausgefunden haben, wie man einen entwickelt.

Markieren Sie Gebiete. You have to find out how to convince them by arranging. Whether it's about finding one of these perfect applications that you have described. Microphones. So turned. An earthquake here. Something attractive there. Call it the address of such an institution in Shrewsbury or Florescent or somewhere where there is actually something like that in the world and say, we will do it the same way. And you will see that it should be embarrassing for you to have fought against it. Because it is actually an enrichment or an incentive for your environment. No disadvantage. That's actually all for next year.

No, it's always a kind of balance act, right? For the well-being of the whole community. But I think you've mentioned some pretty thorough points that have already been brought on the way, right? When we get to these points, you're bringing up some valid arguments, aren't you? We want these people to feel that we're not forcing them, but that they are part of it. And that's all things you can use, right? And that you also want. So that's the main thing. Are there things you can use and that you want? Ratsmitglied Owen, Sie halten mich auf Kurs. Können wir zu bereit zum Handeln übergehen? Entschuldigung, das habe ich übersprungen. Sie können gerne fortfahren. Sie sind jetzt meine rechte Hand. Halten Sie mich auf Kurs. Also bereit zum Handeln, Gesetzesentwurf 73. Dies war die Überprüfung der vorgeschlagenen Regelungen für Fensterbeschilderungen und eine mögliche Ausnahme für künstlerische Schaufensterdekorationen. And I know that there has already been a considerable discussion on various topics in various committees. So I know that there will probably still be discussions, but Tom, I leave it to you to take the lead here where we stand.

Thank you, Chairman. I just wanted to make a quick note this evening. Apparently there is a copy of the ordinance and the provisions contained in it. Es gibt auch einen separaten Entwurf, der nach Gesprächen mit dem betreffenden Geschäftsinhaber entstanden ist. Er dient eher als Referenz, um das Feedback eines einzelnen Unternehmens einzubinden. Das bedeutet nicht unbedingt, dass es für jeden perfekt ist, aber wir versuchen, alles unter einen Hut zu bringen. Dennoch gibt es einige Nachteile, wenn man Änderungen an dem vornimmt, was ursprünglich vorgeschlagen wurde. Deshalb wollte ich das heute Abend hier besprechen. Some of the most important changes we have discussed, how it could look, to meet the person who wanted more play space. For example, with the types of signs that could be placed in the window or in the show window layout, the complete abandonment of the height requirement of 4 to 7 feet. This was explicitly demanded by the business world. It was argued that the 30% coverage limitation that we already have and that currently applies under the exception of the regulations in our regulations, theoretically says that you are not allowed to cover more than 30%, regardless of whether within 4 to 7 feet. In this case, technically speaking, you could not cover the entire window, but it remains a question of public safety and whether we should have any kind of barrier. I just wanted to point that out, but that was a very important point of dispute in the conversation with the owner of the business.

May I ask a question about that? I saw that we painted it. Did we ask Captain Mandl or Captain Eindorf and get their opinion on the painting? Because in fact, you let it go. And the 30 percent could be exactly these four to seven feet. Man könnte im Grunde die gesamten vier bis sieben Fuß blockieren. Ich weiß nicht, wie die Polizei das aus Sicht der Sichtbarkeit sieht.

Die Polizei hat so ziemlich gesagt, dass sie es ohnehin durchsetzen wird. Aber es war fast so etwas wie eine Erleichterung zu wissen, hey, ich weiß, dass ich aus diesen zwei Winkeln hineinsehen kann. Die Hauptsache ist, dass sie in der Lage sein wollen. Was ich von Kay gehört habe, als er noch hier war, ist, dass er einfach eine Möglichkeit braucht, hineinzusehen. Wissen Sie, seine Leute, es muss nicht perfekt sein, nicht über die ganze Fläche, aber er braucht eine freie Sicht, um einen Blick darauf werfen zu können, worauf er sich einlässt. Nevertheless, the reason why the department originally proposed this 4-7-foot barrier, a kind of free zone, so to speak, was exactly this reason. Not only for the fact that they react to an active incident in the building. It's about reactions, but maybe the officer just passes by and notices something. And when people tend to do that, and that's more of a sign of human nature, they leave the windows wide open and it's very easy to look inside.

We're probably less likely to get stupid thoughts if a group of children or something like that is around.

Anyway, the police statement was more that there simply has to be some kind of visibility in the shop, be it through the door or through the window. Apart from that, you know, you would prefer a nice free zone. That would be ideal. But to get back to the one point, I personally drove around and looked at many of the smaller shops. We actually have a representation of what a normal store in the forest looks like, which I find very helpful for the discussion. Often it is between 1.20 m and 2.10 m pretty free, where we maybe once again ... is that people often have a small logo directly at the door and maybe have the opening pages in small writing. It's not a big sign, but it's definitely in this area of ​​1.20 to 2.10 meters. So maybe there is a middle way where there is an exception for the door, but the windows in this area are not allowed to be covered and we might make it a little smaller. Here it's more about looking at both extremes, i.e. what the companies want on the one hand and what we originally had to find the perfect middle way. I think we're getting closer to the point, that's the most important answer. But... Yes, the police said as long as they can look in, that's the most important thing for them. But they would prefer as much visibility as possible.

I think we have to keep something in mind that they can't. A three meter wide window is a pretty common window. An area of 1.20 m to 2.10 m across the entire front is exactly 30%.

So they can go from 1.20 m to 2.10 m and basically go over the door. And then you have no more insight into the business.

So I don't think we should go this way if the police say they need an insight, because they don't have one. If we have to process it in such a way that there is no longer a certain percentage in this area of 1.20m to 2.10m, I have nothing against it. But you must have a possibility to see inside, otherwise you run into something that you cannot see inside to see if something is going on, as you mentioned. So I'm not here to completely cover this free zone, let alone Captain Orndorff. and your team says that things are different, then that's fine. But I want to make sure that you feel safe at work, which is most important in contrast to the fact that business owners use this area of 1 meter 20 to 2 meters 10 for advertising, even though they have the rest of the window.

I mean, that's something we can definitely vote on tonight to keep it. That's what we're hopefully going to do tonight. We're going to look at both extremes and maybe find a middle ground. It's maybe something where the one thing I want to avoid is that we choose a so-called free zone. Maybe we make it a little smaller, but it still exists. Apart from when we say, hey, we have this free zone, but about 40% and 30% of this free zone should be occupied. then the application can become a little more difficult, because if you now, as the codex is written, have paid 30% of your window bank and say you have the ban between 4 and 7 feet, then it's super easy for the police department, if you go back from another operation, to see that. It's just, it's very easy to notice immediately, oh, this has to be investigated. In contrast to when you say, hey, it will be 30%, but we allow this exception, but it will only be 25% of it. Man muss tatsächlich anfangen. Wissen Sie, alles wird irgendwie gleich aussehen. Man müsste tatsächlich aussteigen und anfangen, alles nachzumessen. Das werden Sie irgendwann tun, wenn Sie versuchen. Das zu verstehen. Verstehe das vollkommen. Wir können auch die 30% nicht genau kennen. Man muss die 30% einfach schätzen und nach Augenmaß beurteilen. Richtig?

Man könnte 50% sagen und man kann 50 bis 7 nach Augenmaß beurteilen. So hat man eine klare Sicht hinein. Oder wir können es einfach so lassen, wie es ist. Die Stadt ist bisher damit zurechtgekommen.

Es war kein so großes Problem.

I assume we can maybe say something else, but I don't think we should completely cover it, otherwise people could decide that this area of ​​four to seven feet, where I honestly agree that it is at eye level and from this perspective it is perhaps the best view. There you hang your pictures in the house, not just under four feet or over seven feet. But that's exactly what we want to ensure, the visibility. Not to avoid visibility and to keep this visibility for the police. So I don't think painting is an option if it's too complicated to allow a partial connection between four and seven feet. I would recommend that we leave the rule as it was historically anchored in the rulebook.

Does that solve our problem or not?

Well, if we keep the 4 to 7, that was the main criticism. There are other points of criticism, but that was the main criticism of the regulations that they want to attach their painted sign there. But also from the other companies that this company represents, that we would attach the sign there. If I can't attach it there, I don't hang up the sign anyway, or I just hang it up and let me catch it on the spot. That is the feedback we have received. 50%.

Because it's pretty simple. The 50% range from 4 to 7 is what everyone is talking about, in my opinion. Would you like to put this in the form of a request? So I make the request that we set the change to no more than 15% range from 4 to 7. And keep 30% as the gross sum. I take it, but you can't have more than 30. 30% gross sum and 50% this 4 to 7 range. So is that a matter of eye size for visibility?

So that's an increase in the area, right?

Increase in visibility percentage?

That's right, I understand. 30% is still acceptable.

The only thing I change is that you are not allowed to have more than 50% of this area, which in most cases is about 15% of the total window. Most of our windows are at least 10 feet high.

Well, that would theoretically, you know, accommodate your average sign. Let's say you have your general logo that you place in this central focus on a panel. That's the other way we could look at it, namely that each of these companies normally consists of several glass panels, instead of just being a large open window. We could potentially say at 50%, you know, that means almost, hey, take a look, you have four panels that form your window front, only two of them should really have a cover in this view zone. Maybe that's also a way to look at it to make it super easy for the company, but 50% could be implemented. That's just enough.

So, it includes what we're discussing right now, even if you bring in jealousies inside. Darüber haben die Unternehmen auch viel gesprochen. Und getönte Fenster. Getönte Scheiben und Jalousien im Fenster. Das ist direkt neben dem Thai-Berstro. Da war früher dieses Palm Beach Tarn.

Und deren Fenster waren so dunkel, dass man vor der Eingangstür stehen konnte und nicht hineinsehen konnte und nicht hineinsehen konnte.

So technically, and Joe, correct me if I'm wrong with this interpretation, but without this regulation for the free view zone, I would say it's not a sign if it's just jalousies that keep the sun off for heat reasons, USW. And the same applies to some kind of toning. But if you have a free view zone, it's only for signage, if I see it correctly. Or would that also apply to a free view zone with jalousies?

In the context of the zoning regulation, we only talk about signage. Sunscreen, blinds, curtains and similar things are not classified as signs. So there is still the risk of lack of visibility, but that is not part of the zoning regulation.

I'll give you another example because my son works at Dollar Tree and they recently changed the place where they present all their balloons. Now you can't see the cashiers at all. Man kann sie gar nicht sehen. Weil ich auf dem Parkplatz sitze und darauf warte, ihn abzuholen, und ich kann Ihnen sagen, dass ich das für eine gefährliche Situation halte. Moment, warten Sie. Können Sie erklären, wie der Aufbau aussieht? Sie sagten, Sie hätten den Standort geändert. An Ihren Vordertüren haben Sie nicht viel. Außer Ihren Öffnungszeiten, und das ist wirklich klein. Ungefähr so groß.

Der Ort, an dem Sie früher Ihre Ballons platziert haben, war in der hinteren Ecke Ihres Ladens. Ziemlich weit oben. Nun, ich weiß nicht, aus welchem Grund auch immer, aber jetzt sind Sie umgezogen, und es ist größer... This whole screen is there and longer. And now you can't even look into the building. It's very difficult.

It's blocked by the balance. And then you have shelves inside that probably go up to four feet from the ground. So if you now have about a foot through which you can see at about 4.5 feet height. So it's extremely difficult to see in there. And then you have these static stickers that you stick to the windows. And they have dollar articles on them. Although there are no more dollar articles there.

That's more of a template and not a sign, isn't it? It's inside the... Yeah, I mean, if we're talking about security, then... No, I get it.

There are exceptions for that. It depends. But it should be almost a series of technically speaking, it's a product. It is commercial goods, that's it. But the thing is, and this is something that was thought about after looking at the definition of a window display in comparison to an inner shield, and what came out in some research was that it is usually defined with about 12 inches. So if about 12 inches of the window itself is set back, this can typically be defined as a window display. Most of the time you think of a table with maybe a stack of clothes that is nicely draped and maybe has a 50% discount sticker, but with which nothing is attached to the window. You know, it's just right next to the window. You can see it, you know, from one angle or when you look inside, but it doesn't touch the window itself. So it's somehow treated separately. That would be an interesting case. Just having balloons like a kind of suspension, which technically neither from the recommendations of the business world nor from the

I wouldn't overanalyze that. I think we have to find out how much the police are concerned about the visibility of this case. Let's talk about whether the police sees it or not, because we are making decisions here that, to be honest, are largely based on it. The section 7 based on it, you know, Joe says, now you can have jalousie and curtains. Well, that destroys the whole purpose of section 4 to 7, because now you can just put on jalousie and curtains. Now we come to it and basically you can set up a display as long as it is 12 inches away and block the full view of the whole store, except maybe where the people have to come in. And to be honest, you could put on curtains there that you have to open to get in. I think we understand, you know, how the police are to be able to see into shops.

I think it was more about helping a business owner earn a few dollars, earn a few dollars. We, the Scala, like to paint the windows and the customers liked to see that. And it's a kind of exception. I hate to make a rule based on an exception. But I like it with the 50%. We just keep going with it and see what happens.

And I think the original intentions of all of them were the open signs, right? Hat alles so angefangen? Also haben wir es dazu umgewandelt. Wir gehen zurück zur ursprünglichen Absicht, wie alles begann. Es ging um Schilder in Fenstern. Dem Geist nach stimme ich dem also zu. Ich denke, wir sollten über das abstimmen, was auf dem Tisch liegte. Es wurde unterstützt. Correct. Ich würde es also gerne zur Abstimmung bringen und dann weitermachen. Alle dafür? Möchten Sie seinen Antrag noch einmal wiederholen? So we are, this is just a part of the whole thing.

But as I said, Member of Parliament Owen said, hey, we want to keep the 4 to 7 feet high free zone, if you want to, uh, uh, uh. 50% of it. And there window signs only allow for 50% of the entire square meter number that you have in this area at the window.

So everyone who is for the proposal and application of Member of Parliament Owen, please say A. I have another point to discuss. Yes, please. If you want to paint your windows, you have to get a special permit for it.

Do I understand that correctly?

Just a moment, yes. What limits a lot of it, right? So, is there a fee for this permit?

It is not a special permit. It is only a constitutional permit. Es ist keine Sondergenehmigung. Es ist nur eine baurechtliche Genehmigung. Und es gibt eine Bearbeitungsgebühr von 50 Dollar.

Finden Sie das fair? Ich stelle nur diese Frage.

50 Dollar. Bei einem Geschäftsinhaber, dem wir helfen wollen... Unsere Gebühren sind lächerlich niedrig. Ich habe Ihnen gerade 50 Dollar gezahlt. from the fire department.

I'm just asking. I'm just asking. So if that's all about the signage, is that the only fee you pay properly?

It's just hard for me because, you know, for me, we have changed our signage regulations so much since the original city center plan. We have increased the size. We have increased the number. We have allowed customer stoppers. We have allowed kiosk signs. We have done this. And every time a company is not successful, it is due to our signage. I like to think that service, product, costs and reachability are things that make a company successful. Why do we always take the blame on ourselves? Wir sind hier, weil wir wollen, dass das Stadtzentrum anders aussieht als die Manchester Road in Ellisville.

Es ist ein Unterschied, eine Million Dollar für einen Kreisverkehr zu zahlen oder 50 Dollar für ein Unternehmen. Nur darum geht es mir. Ich dachte noch nicht, dass es so wichtig wäre. Aber ich wollte es nur ansprechen. And I have... There's a limit to what...

It's just like I say, I don't know what we can do for the companies at this point. I really think so. Every time a company complains, we change our order. You don't make any money, Joe. That's the problem. Look at all the closures. I mean, I... I'll just cut it short. We'll just keep going.

But again, does the city cause the closures?

Ich sehe diesen direkten Zusammenhang nicht. Und es sind Geschäftsleute in diesem Ausschuss. Ich würde gerne erfahren, ob die Stadtschließungen verursachen. Wir haben eine sehr niedrige Gewerbegröße. Ein paar hundert Dollar im Jahr. Wir bieten kostenlose Werbung. Wir laden sie zu den Veranstaltungen ein. Wir haben unsere Werbevorschriften geändert. Ich glaube, wir bitten sie um Spenden. Ich meine, ich bin immer noch, wissen Sie, You are responsible there and I respect that. I am not responsible. Yes. No, I respect that. You always say that. I respect you.

But... You are the expert.

I trust you. I really am not.

Because with all the business closings we are obviously doing something wrong.

Yes, that's all a good discussion. I think for the purposes of this session, draft law 373 of the amendment was adopted and we will continue. So, next is not yet ready for measures. And I know that this came into question in several sessions. Oh, I missed this one. We talked about it in the previous and the one before that.

So, the city attorney is currently in charge. He checks to make sure that we can successfully implement this program. But as I said, the plan would be to bring it back if the board wants to. It could be something that goes directly into the work session if that's the case. But we wanted to make sure that the board had the opportunity to check all the program parameters or whatever it looks like before it goes to the entire city council.

I think it could be wise to have a short discussion. I think in the interest of progress to bring this into a phase of implementation. I think what I heard from this committee is that everyone agrees, or there is consensus, that we should pay for the lighting and conduct a kind of long-term negotiation, in which they come back under our, well, yes, we already own them, but come back under our full control. But I think in the meantime we should get up for the electricity and the fees to do whatever has to be done. I think there was also a discussion about changing these lights to LED, which would be much cheaper in operation in the US. And I know that Council Member Owen brought me to the latest stand about what happened at the last meeting. Council Member Crayons too. And I think, if I'm not mistaken, it is the interest of the committee to go in the direction I just mentioned. And if we want to continue discussing this, we can do that. So, one thing that we should do in my opinion is to use the information that we found out about the costs of these lights. And what it would cost if we switch to LED and tell our business owners that if they actually agree that these are the right costs, then I think it will be a much smaller problem.

Er traf sich mit dem Eigentümer der Bank auf einer Party und dieser dachte, er würde 40 Dollar im Monat ausgeben.

Ihre Analyse würde uns sagen, dass wir 6,7 Dollar ausgeben. So this cost difference is considerable. Nobody has only 40 dollars. I'll just say it again. He thinks it's 40. He won't turn it on at 7. Maybe he'll turn it on when he knows we're trying to solve it. Let's drop it to 20, Jim. That's enough for three months, you know. And I like to do that to get the lights on, if that's our concern. But I think that's something we have to do. Because another thing that could affect it would be if it came to the fact that If we get into a situation where people say, I don't believe you, then we have another virtue to overcome, so that they agree with anything we suggest. So if this guy thinks he spends $480 and we say, no, you only spend about $84 a year, do you know the first thing you say? I don't believe you. And now we have to go back and find a way to give him the feeling that $84 is the right amount. A way could really calm him down. Well, that's where these numbers come from.

Exactly, that's the point. Maran is the one who found the numbers. So that's exactly where... And I don't know if we've ever discussed this with him.

Have we ever said, hey, that's what we believe. We haven't discussed this program yet, so that's my point. And again in my conversations with him, super nice guy, he wants to do the right thing. I think if we go to him and say, hey, we're doing the LEDs, we're paying for it, then it won't be a problem.

Yes, but with the LEDs, the thing is that the transition from the current light structure to an LED also causes certain costs. A few years ago, we received a state grant from the Ministry of Energy to carry out 100 LED lights on Manchester Road. Roughly speaking, it was a little less than $1,000 per light to switch them to LED. So there are costs. It's not as cheap as you might think, just to exchange them. Because, let's face it, it's part of it, let's just say. You need a whole set to replace the old coolers in some cases. But there are also, we have used a few different lights over the years.

How high was the total number of lights? And help me with my memory on the jumps. There were the church, the bank and the gas station. The church. And how many lights are there in total?

So the church and the bank, those were the two main actors. The others that we actually identified, the streets weren't right, so it wouldn't be up to them. So we're really just talking about the Bank of Houston. NTP. And on the other side we're talking about the church. And I think there were 12 at the church and then 6 and 11. I think there were about 24, 26 lights. And half of it comes from the church. So if we talk about this shop, it's about six lights. At this price, at this price. It's relatively cheap.

And how much is it? If we calculate it, it's about $870 for the whole year. All these lights.

So there is something that lawyers are currently working on. They put something together and they address an important point that they have to agree to this tariff. I mean, something is better than nothing. But the main thing is that each of these companies has to make a request as soon as we sign the ordinance. And that's exactly what the city attorney is working on right now. He's specifying these criteria so that after the dismissal we don't get 50 inquiries from 50 private owners who say, hey, you can also take over my street lanterns. Because that's a frightening precedent that we want to avoid. We believe we can do that with commercial real estate. Due to the fact that it is commercial when it was built, how it was built and also that it is of interest to the business world. Apart from that, we want to be careful how we formulate the compensation. And you have to accept the amount that comes out of this tariff table, on which everything is based. You have to accept that, yes, it will be compensated and I leave the light on for this purpose.

But at the moment there is really nothing to do but wait for Mr. Yang to design this measure. Yes, that is correct. And Tom, you will also have to find out whether they will cooperate with us. I mean, we know Mega Houston, he will... Die Kirche, wir... Die anderen beiden, mit denen haben wir noch nie darüber gesprochen.

Nun, wir hatten die... Nun, die anderen, die Lichter bei NTP. Ihre Lichter sind an.

Die Lichter sind an.

Ja. Sie sind eine Gang.

Ich dachte, die... Wie die Kirche ist auch.

Also NTP, so ist diese Ecke gelegen. You have some at the Village Plaza and then some at the West Glen. One at the Village Plaza. That's actually NTP. And the one down there, that's the Bank of Houston. The lights at the Village Plaza were switched on.

So if you agree, then we'll do it.

But you have to know that you have to switch on the lights, right?

That would be part of it. So that would affect two things. That would be the individual business owner who says, hey, you know, I would like to receive a refund. So you would practically register for a program that the city runs to compensate you on the basis of the Emron tariff list, so that this light is permanently switched on. As long as you do that, and we would probably take the refund in quarter or half-year rates to compensate you. But if you would turn it off, then that would be a breach of contract and you know, that would actually involve fines.

But Living Word doesn't do that. Do we need you out there?

There is a walkway out there. I mean, in the end, when you look at it, we designed it so that it gives light. And there were residents who mentioned that it's pretty dark up there.

So you're saying yes?

Yes, we should.

If you can be switched on, I think you should be switched on. To publish.

So it's the light when you go home from Larry's. Now let us know what you say.

Let us know what you say.

Sie wollen nicht gegen Sie stoßen. Gibt es an dieser Stelle noch weitere Diskussionen, oder sind wir damit fertig? Und noch einmal, ich denke, wir warten, bis wir von Herrn Young hören, was hoffentlich bis zu unserer nächsten Stadtratssitzung der Fall ist. Und dann werden wir etwas haben, worauf wir reagieren, weitermachen und es ausführen können. The next point here under B, analysis of visibility and the return on investment for a proposed mobility data platform study to analyze pedestrian traffic trends and visitor activities at the Wildwood trade junction points, including responsibility for data management and cost considerations.

Sorry, that was pretty rough to pronounce. As I said, this is linked to the discussion we had last month about the data we could complete with geofencing and device-ID feedback technology. When we looked at how we might be able to apply this to have staff, we actually observed it to make sure that we could use the data in the right way. Very fair assessment, a fair question. We actually have another software that is out there and captures the speed limits. It shows speed data based on cell phone data and it's kind of like one and one. The idea is that we might be able to sum up the speed data that the county implemented and found out that it is not so accurate on collection roads, but they were actually, it is really fascinating stuff. In residential areas, they found that it is somewhat inaccurate, as the detour of people in their entrances must be taken into account. Therefore, you usually see a deviation of about 5 miles per hour at each point in time due to the effects of the deviation depending on the number. It fluctuates up and down. But at Sammelstraßen, it actually shows very accurate data compared to what you get with your speed display boards. As I said, there are technologies out there that are basically based on the same technology. Handy data and geofencing technology are used to track both the speed and, in this case, the location. The idea is that we can possibly combine these two things. That's why we wanted to continue to deal with it. Because through the integration we could get solutions for speed data and measurements in the entire urban area at any time and track the number of mobile phone users in certain places in the city center. So it could help in both ways. Increase the ROI a bit and make it meaningful for us. However, we see it from the perspective of simply having data about the visitor numbers. This may not provide the desired return if you consider that we have spoken to some companies. They appreciate these data and it would be good to know how things are going. And although it conveys a more complete picture of how trade takes place, the question I asked some business owners we discussed with was, could they use this data? Could they use this data? And the most important thing they said was, yes, I think we could use it to know on which days we really have to make sure that we are fully occupied and things like that. There are some advantages, but when it comes to tangible, very good aspects of your business, they said it was a tool. would not be so useful. It's good to have, but it's nothing you're necessarily dependent on.

If it's useless, it's not good to have.

Well, yes, I mean, if you make it public enough, but I still think that on the other hand, the speed data is actually important. It is not necessarily so that companies could also use it if it is driven too fast in front of them on the streets. But that could be a very useful tool for us and our police if we receive complaints about razors, such as, hey, I have an increase in razors on the Westland Farms Drive, Instead of having to place the Miovision traffic meter and speedometer on the street, we could just look it up on an app on the computer and say, yes, in the last two weeks the average speed was here, at this value. So there are definitely technological advantages, but I think we may have focused on the wrong area in the beginning.

One of the things that we really have to understand, in my opinion, is the public perception of everything we do in this direction. You know, the vlog camera has become a very hot topic in all communities in the United States. It's not just in St. Louis or elsewhere.

I had a discussion with my friend, the police commissioner, about it.

And he says that you have many rules and regulations to ensure that our police keep the laws in St. Louis County. We can all sit here at the table and probably feel comfortable that this is the case. But how do we make sure that our citizens feel comfortable? Another example that he mentioned is the use of drones to investigate active police operations. When they did that, they had to ensure or introduce a rule that said that the drone must not look down until it is at the site of operation. Because the people didn't want the drone to fly around and watch everything under it before it arrives there. So if we do that, I don't want it to be a big counter-reaction after the motto, look at what the city is doing there, look at what the city is doing there. They follow every step of ours. The reality is that we don't do that because we don't know who they are. But that won't be their perception. So we really have to be very careful, because I don't want to sit in the committee and approve something that everyone thinks about. I would sacrifice things through which I know where everyone is going, how fast he is on the road and everything else. So that's my biggest concern with everything we do in this plan. I know that it can bring a lot of problems. I think the idea of knowing how high our average speed is on a certain street at a certain time is great, but I worry about public perception when we do something.

Well, we could do something, you know, we could first stop this project. Because I think that's fair. And at the moment there is a national debate about the use of various security cameras and similar to vehicle recognition. As far as that is concerned, you know, there is a benefit. St. Louis County is currently using it. So if you are on the road in the county, this is already happening. Obviously, this is just a note to the public. But these data, if you have your phone with you, the data is available. It's just about who has the car keys to access it. Do you know, in the face of the current discussion, I think that we could just put it back, namely at a certain time, until the problems are solved and the national debate can take place. You can develop the safety precautions and as soon as it is clarified and everyone feels more comfortable with the use of these technologies, we can actively decide to get back into this discussion. I think you could be on the right track here. Don't we go this way before things are really clarified?

Don't let us be the leading city that tries it out. Lassen wir jemand anderem stolpern und fallen und sich ein paar mal das Gesicht auf dem Boden aufschlagen, damit er es herausfindet, bevor wir uns engagieren.

Nun, in diesem Sinne, Vorsitzender, wenn das die Stimmung im Ausschuss ist, könnten wir vielleicht einen Antrag stellen. Hey, lassen Sie uns das zurückstellen, damit es nicht länger zur Abstimmung bereitsteht.

Antrag gestellt von Herrn Cray, unterstützt von Herrn Owen. Alle dafür. Yes, I agree. And again, I have already heard a lot of discussions from different people about the surveillance cameras and this and that. And to get to your point. I don't think we want our citizens to think we would be monitored. Even if we are. And there is a valid reason why we should do this now, which is not the case. Let's move on. And again, I think that was the right answer. Apart from that, there is still something under different. Nothing under different. The next meeting, gentlemen and young ladies, is on Monday, September 21, at 17.30, exactly here in this great place. Does anyone want to submit the application for appointment? Suggestion from Mr. Kran, second from Mr. C.R. All for it. One hour, five minutes. Great work. That's it.