Town Board - workshop

All right. I'd like to reconvene town board workshop number 20 to order. And again, I have the clerk note that all the council members made it from downstairs to upstairs. I'm going to switch this around a little bit and let the DEC EPA presentation for 630 commence. Somebody here. Yeah, come on in. We'll start with them so we can get those guys moved along and then we can give them the rest of our agenda. How you doing? Good, good. Thanks for coming tonight. We appreciate it. Yeah. What do you want us to do?

Well, Basically, what they ask is, as part of our ongoing project.

Right. Why don't you, for the record, why don't you give us your name? Oh, I'm sorry. It's my first. Yeah, I'm sorry.

My name is Patrick Concanon. I'm with the New York State Department of Environmental Science. And as I'm sure you're all aware, there is an ongoing effort to perform radiological assessments throughout the community. One of the locations that was identified with our aerial survey is Veterans Park here at Grand Isle. As far as I'm aware, it's the only municipal property on Grand Island that we'd like to have access to. So the purpose here is to come and explain basically what we're looking to do and answer any questions you may have relative to that.

Okay. We're hoping, too, that maybe while you're here, you could leave us a... A little bit of a tutorial and maybe a phone tree of when residents come to us with concerns that we can follow up at and make sure that our clerks are clear on that and my office is clear on that so we're not all doing different things. Sure, sure.

And we appreciate that. We've worked very hard to centralize that contact. We do have a hotline that we can provide that to you.

You just tell us what number you want me to call.

That's right.

Okay.

We'll get that to you. Thank you.

Thank you. Anything else? I have a question. I'm sorry. So what did you see on the aerial survey?

With the aerial survey, that was the planes that I think many people managed to see a few years ago flying back and forth. So what we did with that, that's a degree of detail that has a 500, 600-foot diameter to it. Basically, we saw one point on a map in Veterans Park. It doesn't indicate that there's a problem. It doesn't indicate that there's something wrong along the lines of some of the concerns we've been addressing elsewhere. It's simply a location of interest that we'd like to access with our, what we're calling our phase three folks, which is the boots on the ground that come in and just do a little bit of a reconnoiter and try and make sure that we understand better, more specifically, we better detail what it is we may or may not be seeing.

Do we know where in the park it still came from? We just spent over a million hours.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. And that's one of the things that we have to reckon with with some of these aerial survey dots here. We don't have any other information. We basically would try and centralize our efforts on where the middle of the park is, which is I think where actually that location was identified. There isn't a physical feature or anything to look at to specifically take it with that. and just work around that point and do enough of a survey by hand to get a better understanding of if there is anything there. Frequently, we see things that may relate to understood man-made features. I know with some of the work we've done, we've seen granite curbing, decorative rocks and boulders, materials that are naturally occurring, bedrock, shallow bedrock soils. There's a natural radiological aspect to everything. So we just want to see what is there, how it relates to the information that we have, and see if we have to do any follow-up. And hopefully that we can just say this is pretty easy to determine that we do or do not need to follow this.

I understood that you guys would use utility vehicles.

We may.

With mounted stuff and maybe start to do circles.

Yeah, that allows us to access larger properties a little more easily. We're very understanding that sometimes that's not acceptable to the property owner or the municipality. We don't want to rut up your field. We don't want to take liberties with fields that may be ball fields. We'll work. We'll be certainly conscientious of the paths like that.

maybe so again just by hand we'll do it by hand just to just to step back and be clear that's the only property you're really concerned yes and i as far as municipally owned on grand island yes that is the only property that we're having this ask do you expect us to these uh um inspections to increase in numbers. It seems like a lot of people want to, oh, I want to have them check my property.

I can't say if it would continue to increase. It's been quite an increase right from day one from what we were actually doing. So we are continuing to deal with a significant number of requests.

Okay. All right.

Not so much on Grand Island.

Predominantly Niagara County. Over here is just a little bit of a... It still showed up.

It was that proverbial dot on a map.

Once we authorize the test, what's the time frame for having the results?

That's an ongoing discussion. We want to make sure that we don't send results out without them being thoroughly analyzed and digested by our health physics folks. We have staff from all of our agencies taking a look at these things. I think right now we're running in a matter of a time frame of weeks, a couple of weeks. But there's also, while we're there, there's some real-time information that it's your property. Share it with you if somebody accompanies you. It isn't that digested data, but We're not going to keep you away from us long. As far as when we green light inspection, how quick would you be on it? I think in a matter of days. Okay.

As much as you need, 24, 48, whatever you need, we'll work with you. Okay.

All right. And it was probably during the week, right? Not the weekend. Yes.

Although we are working seven days a week. Okay. Accommodate schedules.

Okay. Thomas Malik still going on or is that.

Tournaments. Tournaments are the last. Yeah. The order of time.

Are those predominantly weekends?

We will work around your schedules, your limits, whatever concerns you have.

I would think daytime would probably be the best time. That's when the park is... I think this is the last week of summer camp. After this week, it gets a little bit more vacant over there.

Just trying to figure out a way around it. Do you have a...

any instruction pages you could share with us to give to our clerk with phone numbers?

The access form?

The phone numbers and all that?

Before we leave, I'll make sure we have that for you.

Make sure you have all that for us. I'm sure all the council members are getting a lot of inquiries too. I'd like them to all have it and get our clerks so that they are armed with answers from people.

We have some of our citizen interaction folks here. We'll make sure we get information to you. Excellent.

Okay. Appreciate it. Of course. Thank you for coming.

Thanks for your time. Appreciate it.

Okay. We'll back up to item two, which is agenda review. Anything on the agenda anybody would like to speak upon?

Pass the law. Pass the law.

What's that?

Pass the law.

Yeah. I don't particularly have a problem with it. I'm very comfortable with the seat.

Those additions from the public hearing, sort of de minimis changes. I'm just asking. I never know what that threshold is. It doesn't need to go back to the planning board or anything.

No, they I mean some of the changes that were brought up and change the planning recommended that just that I missed when I. That the group that Dan I met with had made that I just missed my. Okay. Oh.

Under unfinished business, number two, in your packet, there's a, we revised the LOI to include some of the conversation from our last board meeting. A couple of you have had conversations with our contact with Verigy. Is there any concerns that he will be at the meeting? Okay.

Anything else? Agenda review? Anything?

Okay.

Advisory Board review. Anyone?

I had parts of that.

Yeah.

I think some of these you probably would have named names would be there.

Yep.

One thing they wanted us to chat about was the kayak launch on East River.

Yep.

I think the appetite is that the town board, somebody from the town to speak with the neighbors because it sounds like one of the organizations we'll be applying to for funding has inquired as to whether we talked about it with the neighbors. So the question was, are we going to do it? If so, who is going to do it? I didn't know if you thought that at all.

So what I did, we did, when we worked on the Nike-based trials, is we sent registered letters to all the neighbors that were immediately affected and said, here's what our intent to do is. We showed them a plan and said, please reach out to us and we'll talk about it in person. And that's how we did it, one-on-one. And being that there's two neighbors, I think that would probably be a good process to follow here. If you would like, I will draft something from my office with a schematic of what's going on, send it out. And if they want to come in and talk, I'll get involved with that.

Sounds reasonable to me.

I mean, that's the best way to do it, I think.

And we talked at length about the time that, to some extent, the expectation is there may be neighboring property owners that just don't like change and won't be pleased with it because they wanted to stay as it was. And if that's the case, so be it. These organizations are used to getting that. So let's not wait. If they don't give it a ringing enforcement, it's not going to be an issue, but it'd be better to just say, yes, we've had the conversation, than to say, yeah, no, we're trying to stay quiet.

And I think that should apply. I think we talked a lot about this last year with trails. Yeah. If we're going to, we have a town easement or access, we should.

Yeah. So when we were doing the stuff on Sandy, when we sent out letters to all the properties within such a distance, just so that we were transparent on what we were doing, we weren't certainly trying to hide anything. And I think that's good. I think just when they show up in the backyard, people get a little bit nervous.

So better they know ahead. Yeah. Good on that.

Yeah.

Second item they had was the demolition of that building at the Lincoln Base. Yes, apparently we got somewhere with SHPO.

So SHPO said yes, but you need a moniker stone. And we asked them what that looked like. And they never got back to us. So we just recently sent them a suggestion of what we would do to monitor and memorialize these structures we're going to take down. And we still have not heard back.

So their recommendation with that is if we hadn't heard back or that letter hadn't gone, that a letter go out with... on an example of what we're going to do and just tell Shippo, look, here's what we're going to do. And if we don't hear back from you within 30 days about a suggestion to do something else, we're going to take the buildings down and we're going to do this. You had your chance. So I guess maybe we can have some discussion with Peter, your executive, about how good of an idea that is.

Yeah, it's legally acceptable. It seems reasonable.

Yeah. And last but not least, Pete, was rec fees. It seems as though Ron was working on it. Talk with Ron about it. The recommendation that they made with MEC fees, they tried sending it to that liaison email, and I don't think it made it to us. But the question is whether or not we want to get that on the agenda. I think we should. I had seen it. I think you have.

But it didn't make it to the file. I've been actively in the conversation with them, and it's going to be the board's pleasure whether we want to wait until the reorg and adopt them, or if we want to adopt them immediately. I don't really particularly...

I'd say it would seem better.

Yeah, I don't think it would hurt.

Yeah.

So I don't... I mean, we've been talking about it for quite a while, and I'm not against doing it right away.

So I think they just... You guys didn't get it. They didn't. Did you see it?

He said something again, but then sent it directly to each of us. There is a problem with that link, and Ron's looking into it.

But I mean, they did a bunch, they did, they do do a lot of respecting fees and space. We kind of compared what we're doing to what other times are doing. So they did a lot of work to go.

So just to be clear, the 750 per residential lot and a thousand dollars per contiguous multi. So I'll just put a resolution together for my office. We'll put it on next meeting. It's not a law. It's just, we're changing a few. So that's easy.

Are you comfortable with that?

Yeah.

Okay. That's kind of what I figured I'd do well.

Oh, I had the parks and rec. And I didn't have any other vegetables.

Did you have planning or no? Or is that previous? That's previous. Okay.

Anybody else? I had a cab meeting. Yeah. They were asking for updates on the... I don't know if we got a chance to go for it as long as Mr. Cedito was comfortable with the transport. They sent me whatever the municipal agreement was. that was one thing and um there was a request for follow-up on the the town tavern concerns over the storm water mitigation issues um engineering did send uh updated uh response to that motion from cab on it came today so i don't know if anyone had a chance to review it i think it's satisfactory it meets the board meets it meets the needs we can decide whether it's acceptable to the board send a notice back to captain it's been reviewed or We want to ask engineering to do more. I was busy, but I was into it a whole lot. So maybe it's something we can deal with on another day, but people want to take a look at what he wrote to Dan some additional information to what has been done over there and what will and should be done.

In the meantime, we can certainly ask Bob to get you back out to the DCM. of their investigation, which is what it recommends.

Yes.

Thank you. I hope you know.

He did it in the past, and he's going to tickle them again to see if they've made any determination as to what they think.

I'm actually highly interested in their input on that.

That would affect our creek out here in town greatly, what their determination was there. So is that something we want to just wait to see what we hear from the DEC and then make some direction or acceptance of what engineering, either accept or deny what engineering's doing? Yes. That's what CAP's kind of looking for, whether we think it's appropriate or not, where we're at.

Okay. So where are we going from there? I don't know.

I guess everyone's got to read it and think about it. me um so people take a look at it respond and then we can move off of that okay okay um traffic safety canceled and historical just more discussion they were happy that we were able to move along their suggestion to the zoning reform committee right uh they did come up with a sign for the cupola got the estimate it's the proof was sent to uh Jim Linnefelser, he contacted the companies that we ordered so that they can complete that part of the process. Okay.

I did a, we did get a question regarding the secret or the best law. I don't know if it's our place to hand that out or not, or I don't know how that works. Maybe we could talk about that in an exec session.

Talking about the email we got yesterday. Yeah, maybe Friday.

I don't know if we can do that. I don't know.

Right. The determination that it was special use. Well, I mean, the reality is the implementation of the law and these things get approved, there may need to be a pause. Action right now is the passage of the law.

Right. Oh, you're talking about that. I thought you were talking about the recommendation.

No, no. I'm talking about the existence of the secret for the law. And whether or not we need to pause. The action that will afford this is the adoption of the law, not the obstruction of the law. And that's where...

I mean, I would think there might be some more substance on a particular project than there is on the law itself. That's kind of how I was taking it as well, too. Okay. Well, we want to talk about that in the future. Like I said, I didn't want to offer that up without the board's blessing.

That didn't come from Kat.

I understood.

But I was also like, this isn't how we do this.

I didn't know what the board's temperature was.

Mayor Mrakas, A traffic safety was canceled so that's that's all right okay.

Mayor Mrakas, Any other advisory boards.

There was comprehensive plan with the board, but do you cover 13 so i'm sure yeah if there's any updates needed.

Mayor Mrakas, Nothing same old kind of stuff there's just working away on things and yeah. Mayor Mrakas, No, no, no sparks no fire. Right Jen. yeah. Maybe some sparks, but no funny. Okay. So we've already went through item four. Item five, highway vehicle department transfer.

I put that on just because I don't know.

You put it on too?

Oh, you did too?

Yeah.

Oh, you talked about that.

No, you go ahead. I don't want to steal your thunder.

I think we all talked about it. Yeah. the vehicle that highway makes sense to hand it off to the police department saves a ton of money in the long run so police wanted that i talked to tom see if he wanted it. Yeah, I didn't even put it in the budget. But we'd have to think about finances. Right now, it's expensive to save us. You know, if it takes a grant for about a year. So today was the most fun. So, of course, we took it. They transferred to New York. And you could give the city's board, I don't know how the city's board would make sense to the police to implement this. But of course, we could probably get them there.

So we priced a new vehicle for Code Enforcement, which was a Ford Maverick all-wheel drive mini pickup. We could get one for just under $30,000 retail. A police car replacement is probably high 30s, low 40s. But they are a little bit upgraded from what this Explorer was.

That was my thought. Does it meet the specs of the vehicles?

So, as far as a patrol car, I would say no. They have, like, increased bus capacity for power in the dash and different tires, different rims, different brakes. I think what was it? Top brakes, top suspension. Yeah, right. So, that was kind of a true statement. So, but, however, as an ministerial car, I think it would work outstanding for them. And with our... with our public outreach groups going on now and our SROs at the school, we don't need to have a police barracks park there either if we have something like this. So it augments, and I think it's a wide room. So I agree with Dan. I just got there. So anyways, we can work on that if the board is supportive of that. Yeah.

So I would need an approval to do a budget amendment to increase the police budget and the fund balance. And I would need for the 20 grand.

Yeah, put on the next agenda.

Okay. Because they want the approval so they can buy the truck now. So they want to make sure they have that money coming in.

They have it.

Okay.

Code enforcement has the money in their budget. They can go buy their Maverick and Jim can move his stuff around. He's got enough there to probably hold them through.

Okay. All right. Then I'll put that in the budget for next meeting.

Okay. Great.

All right.

So that's handled. Budget workshop meeting, early potential. Corinne, as long as you're coming from the speakers here, would you like to share anything with us?

We definitely need to regroup on the budget and work as a team to get this lowered. Me and Pete sat together for a few hours trying to cut as much as we could.

A few hours for each department.

Yeah. So I do have the updated fund balances for what we have. And I think we need to call a workshop. I don't know if we want to combine it with the... engineering department and put both workshops together, but I can't, we need to find quite a bit of money because we can't put this budget through right now.

No.

Correct. At that same meeting, are you going to have the numbers ready for the borrowing for the improvements to be done?

I have the numbers ready and I have the additional bond authorization ready in the budget. And that equals what I will charge for sewer tax. So we just need to pay attention to that.

To be clear, I talked with those guys today. We cannot go into winter the way we're running that plant right now without a digest. So this takes a significant amount of time to get everything through, but We have to be leery of winter. You know, we can't take this plant in the winter the way we're running. No. No, but... We don't have time to do the repairs. So October, the time should be excellent to get enough money to do the repairs.

So if we borrow that additional fund instead of just the base amount that we originally have, sewer alone will be breaking the tax cap.

It doesn't matter. Yep. So I just wanted to. Yep.

So I just wanted to just put that on the table. So I'm not sure if we're doing the full amount or just the, what it costs to clean everything out.

So that rolls us into something real quick, Corinne. We need to set a workshop meeting to call for a public hearing on August 24th once we have the bonding paperwork ready. It needs to be how many days before?

Ten. Lynn sent us out an email on that today.

Yeah, it's all instructed. So anyways, do you guys have a day in mind for that?

has to be before tuesday but i have to get it to the paper by tuesday yeah you guys get i'm pretty much going to be on a hangout so schedule when it works fridays are bad monday's okay um so what's that the time yeah should we do it on the 10th on the 10th at 10

Does that make sense?

So a motion to set a workshop on Monday, August 10th at 10 a.m. All in favor? Aye. Opposed?

Okay.

And Corinne, if you can have some of your stuff ready by then, that would be outstanding.

Pretty much what I'll have are the budget prep reports. Okay. And I will have the rates to show the difference of what we need to break even and the fund balance calculations.

Okay. Excellent.

Do you have other dates to suggest for the other workshops that we need?

We'll need to probably do workshops in the first week of September. Okay. and into the second, but I would not push it back any later than that.

Okay. You want to do that now, Rhonda? Is that what you're trying to do?

That would be nice.

Do you want to set them at this next workshop?

On Monday, come up with seed dates? Yeah. Okay.

If you're one of the first two weeks of September.

Okay. Actually, August 10th, we have union negotiations.

Oh, yeah. So you need it by Tuesday morning. So do we do it?

What time do you need it? The earliest, the earlier I get. Yeah.

What time?

I'll make. All right, so 11th on the 11th, 10 a.m.?

Can we do 11 on 11?

11 on 11?

I'm okay with that. So I'll make a new motion.

What's that?

We'll teach you.

I'll make a new motion that we call for a workshop on 8-11 at 11 a.m.

All right.

Okay.

Previous schedule.

Yeah. To replace your previously scheduled workshop on 8, 10, and 10 a.m. Get it on carry posting, too, for us. Okay. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Okay.

I will definitely not be affected until soon. One email with the dates that I'm available for those first four weeks in September. Okay. Okay.

Fair enough. Okay. The medical insurance discussion, I believe we had that.

What's that?

You feel comfortable that we had the medical insurance discussion?

Yeah, that's weird.

Okay. Remote access. I assume that's down.

Yes, I had a remote access request, which has remote access. And Ron shared that email with everybody else. And I guess my question is, why do we still have remote access? And do we want to keep everyone who gets remote access? It will be too limited.

I mean, I'm fine with limiting it. I just think we need to talk to department heads because there are some employees travel to other areas within the town. I don't know if they can just plug into a blue line or have to plug on a Wi-Fi.

Some of that stuff I'd like to.

Okay, so they don't need it all that accessible. What about if they're I mean, it just or maybe there's a laptop that we need

They have, those guys have, they have. I think I have some questions. Yeah, it's okay.

Am I forwarded the emails?

I just, I don't, I just, I don't want to limit the ability of certain partners, but the function, um,

they also said that we saw someone especially discuss the uh links that but especially it's not like something that takes a lot of days to get something back on all links with the guy in the background i just i'm waiting Again, so this is a discussion.

One of their employees is just deciding to work from home with other employees. It needs to be dealt with. I know we're trying to get in front of and manage it.

The other issue, especially if you talk about union negotiations, it's difficult because not everybody has the ability to. And you're not going to get to grievances and stuff like that. One person has to stay and somebody else who's off that day has to come in, doesn't have the ability to work from home and has to use PTO.

Access is a part of what we need to hold on to.

Everything's about a morality. Some people, you treat everybody the same. Big cities and sites. I want to say, all I hear, not all I hear, but what we tend to hear in our positions is, why does someone get this special care? Why does someone get this special care? So, I think it would be strange to say.

100%.

No one votes for mom. Child care. This is what needs to be addressed soon.

What did you say needs to be addressed? I'm sorry, I missed that. Flex work, yes.

I think that list needs to be looked at. There were some questions I had about Are we paused? I make a motion that Tom takes over the meeting as a deputy supervisor until he gets back. We're normally up here in the dark.

Literally in the dark. criminal to sit out there before it's in session. They can have this.

Like I said, to Tom's point, there might be some. But I think the best way is to make sure the department heads are accountable for that. They don't grieve the department head. Excuse me?

They don't grieve the department head. It's still our fault.

Oh, that's okay. But if it's a defensible grievance, that's okay. It's their right to grieve.

Well, I mean, I guess that's my point. At the end of the day, whether we put it in the department head's purview to make the decision, the reality is there are going to be people in the same bargaining unit, some of which who can work from home and some of which who cannot. And they're going through the nature of the job that we're doing. only you're going to have a different result and that's where i because i think people all the time fashion where sports craze is canceled i can go pick my kids up what's about us i need to be employed i can sit at home and be most of what i do from home and we have some employees in town that can't do that and we have others that cannot even let the stupid guy the heat index in the airport parks guys they were out there we can't send they'll never be able to work from home because they don't have the option to do some of the stuff.

Yeah, that question. In your job, are you as effective when you're chasing your kids around and feeding them and helping them?

I mean, and that's the next level. So at the end of the day, it starts with that income.

You're also a private sector. Your work is poor.

Isn't that all mute? Because the point is a resolution was passed that there would be no, I think we're missing,

And if your work is for a private sector, you're going to pay a price for that. We have no way to determine what work quality we're getting to work. I don't know.

The same woman that will grieve us for letting me work from home when you can't will grieve me, will grieve us when I discipline you for working poorly.

But you guys last year passed a resolution that there's no work from home without town board or supervisor approval. So That's not what's on the table, right, Dan? No. The question on the table is why is there so much remote access when you're not?

Right, when it's not even an option.

Right.

And if it is the option, whoever needed that, for whatever reason, we discussed it. We discussed it. Yes. Yep. We can. We can.

It was really discriminating circumstances.

There could be an employee who's on vacation and out of town, and we need them to do something. If they say they can, we've got to allow them to do it. If they do it from the phone, that makes sense.

Someone's going to a conference and wants to work remotely. They ask, we flip the switch, and they get it. It's not a big, I mean, that's not, it's nice to work on it. We can put it on and off. It's pretty easy.

Says the guy who turns the funeral. Try it.

I could.

He just can't change the date.

Ron's just got that magic wand over there that he can just. It's going to be here the 10th and the 11th because my calendar says.

Wait till I'm not here. You guys got to figure this out without me.

So anyways, I think- I support that.

What you're saying, I support. I think that's what you're looking for.

Yes, let's drop the list, determine who should be on it.

I'd also like to make sure that on the off-boarding, that that is a solid piece of that, that that's an immediate. When we off-board someone, there's supposed to be a form. I'm not sure if there ever was a completed form for off-boarding.

Kellyanne's back.

Kellyanne's back. To make sure that that,

I don't think you and Ron put together a list. Bring us to the next agenda.

Ron also brought the attention that the other part of this page is people have remote access and do you need support from home?

That's what I wanted to talk about.

Okay.

All right.

Okay.

Next. That'd be super active.

Remote access. Open fire contract. That's you.

Oh, okay. I put this on the agenda because The doc was thinking on whether we want to look at the contract, whether it was a little too lucrative last year, whether it's right on target, whether dispatch should be talked about only because we're in a tight budget year. But at this point, I don't think we're going forward with that tonight. Even though tonight's the last meeting, we can address it.

It's worth bringing up to know that we have the option.

It's nice that we're watching the calendar.

I hope some of the new Superfired Farms watches. that we can actually sit down and have some meaningful discussions instead of sit for 10, you're a bad guy, don't worry, no, you're a bad guy, back and forth, stupid bad guy stuff. We can actually look at where there could be some savings, fire protection, fire residents, still maintain the best fire department, Westville, and so on. There is some media coverage.

And I think it's appropriate that we did agree before last year, we have done so, that we should have biannually meeting with them to discuss where they're at, where we're at. How can we do things better? We're still pending the audit. That should be where we could see where we stand. Maybe there is, I don't know, something we're talking about.

We're not going to have a good partnership if we don't work at it. So I think that that's a great idea to get together and have that meeting. Who would set that up? Who's the liaison for that?

I don't think it's me. I'm happy to take the lead if you would like. can't change the date you just gotta get to the council yeah i'm here i'm part of the mic time and i work on that is that

Was that good for that one?

What's that? Unless you guys have something you want to add to it. No, that's not. I would really like to actually, you know, really work with them and try to figure out whether they include I know that everyone hates the word the D word. So I won't say this. But what's that? Oh, all right.

I just want to put my eyes on the shirt. I'm trying to keep my eye trying to stop and getting blasted.

Peter, I don't want to say this personal, but from the day I got elected to this position, I kind of like where I came from a different time where we had an in-house attorney. We had what seemed to be that's the response times. more cost effective, and then we continue to have a law firm as our litigating firm, which I would suggest we keep Pajamas a litigating firm. But our day-to-day in-house work, I would like to consider an in-house town attorney. I mean, I have talked to a person that I like myself. I think I've introduced him to a few years. I don't know if tonight's the night you want to make a motion. If you want me to suspend the rules later on. But this is a time to tell me what you think. And if so, I'll ask to suspend the rules later in the meeting and have that discussion.

I'm not ready to make any decision on that front, but that's how much we love you. We don't see you enough for it to be like, sometimes time is limited. That's one of the, yes, the things. We're short on Vietnam, but just walk in. I had an idea of what we could do with that. It's a workshop. Thanks. It would help us progress. But I'm not suggesting what the right move is. I'm thinking that it's one thing that's been, at least for the way I operate. If I don't get that discussion through when I want to, it kind of loses steam. That's a challenge. Right. We only made twice a month trying to get things hammered out.

I am happy to meet more if that's what you guys want to do.

What's that?

I'll meet as much as you guys want.

Well, it's not necessarily the meeting. It's the preparation for the meeting.

Right.

The legal things because, you know, everything in this world is subject to legal legislation.

Well, I don't want to steer this conversation by any way, shape, or form, but I would really like you guys to see the budget before you start making these conversations.

This is the biggest driver. This is the budget reduction. Okay. Do you have anything on the financial benefits?

Well, the individual that I would like to see come on board will be $150,000 a year. And then whatever his benefit package is, I think he was just shy of $200,000 or just over $200,000 with his benefit package. The number was locked in. I would say under $205,000 and not to exceed $205,000 for his total benefit package. um which is still a savings yeah we're gonna have litigation issues this individual had said he couldn't handle our 78s definitely in his background working for the city of buffalo right now he has a lot of background in personnel unions contracts um i think you can do it asleep but what i really want is the ability to bring diet problem to have the resolution or foundry now and i was trying to talk about the issue but i'm glad it's our win the issues time again yeah I'm not, Peter, I actually had a conversation with you as to when you were retiring, because I'd be great if you were retiring. Yeah, that conversation.

I'm not saying, I'm not saying you're not qualified.

My issue is getting things to the finish line faster. that we have a problem today, and the town board emphasizes as a town employee, the attorney is a town employee, and the town determines this is number one on the agenda, so your schedule, get it done three days, yes, I'll finish work on it. I just think it's, I think we are wallowing in our own wait times that we almost forget where we are from. The best law, how we can figure out which one we're on. It doesn't. No, it doesn't have. No, I'm just saying. Still, we look back and forth on some of the major things. It took a lot of time. The two bar, the tag bar. There's a lot of things that we just don't get past the finish line. It shouldn't be past it.

That didn't work. Yep. And it's much too low. I'm trying to see what's on that side.

My concern would be, Peter, again, I hope you don't think of it personally, you're a professional. If I were to have to actually ask you to have more time to commit to these, these are bills that you've just paid me for. The amount of time you've been able to commit to the town and its needs costs us tax. and that X is bigger than what I just proposed for a single in-house intern. And if you weren't able to fix the problem that we have now, your number would .

Very good.

I just want to clarify one thing. The numbers, when you pulled numbers and looked at it, those were just the general

line on it wasn't litigation right but it costs us now i haven't been able to get those numbers it's hard it's actually hard but i was getting it well it's hard to put his number assigned like to do is have an idea but so you we had this discussion to do my stance that

I realize it's hard to have this discussion here in this room. You're fine, Peter.

Can we get dogs and rust to separate standard municipal representation versus location? It is. Yeah, but a lot of things don't go into it. But it always goes backwards. So, yeah.

I mean, I can see, like... So... Actually, those things are hard. I think it's been asked a few months ago. Yeah.

but up up

Okay.

Well,

I can help some with the numbers, Jose, too. There's separate lines. There's a line for general. There's a line for months. We'll sit with the things. And when you see the backwards, the tricky part is when you ask for the number on the general line is knowing that that is how many months that consists of because we're not billed like we got a number for six months that was actually four months of service because there's a delay but i can sit with that binder and that will help put it together for you okay uh anything else from anyone

I have one more thing to bring up that I did not put on the agenda. I was approached by a gentleman. I got a packet downstairs where he would like to consume some paper road that exists over by Falls Link. It looks like it would affect multiple neighbors, so we probably have to talk to multiple people on this. Has the board got an appetite to look into this or not particularly? No, it's by the house there, and there's a paper road behind it. We'd like to get the paper road. Just want to make sure it's going to be multiple houses, because it's a loo.

But we certainly need some garbage truck stuff there, don't we?

I'll tell you what.

All right.

I will get all this stuff put together and I will get you some GIS maps for next meeting, okay? So we can do a little more conversation.

This isn't the same one that's on the southwest river from last year, is it? I can't remember the gentleman's name. I would want to say it anyway. Is this the same one from last year?

Okay.

I think, well... Okay, anything else? We still need executive session? We do. Okay, motion to enter executive session. Second?

Aye.

All in favor? Aye. Okay.