City Council - Regular Meeting

All right, we'll call the city council meeting to order and we're having today a discussion review of the 2027 grant applications. Spencer is going to give us an intro. I'll intro and hand it off to Zach and hopefully um he's back by by that time that happens. So, um uh this is a city council meeting. Um we talked about this when we had our uh department head meeting update for the budget committee to meet. Um we have to present a proposed budget to the budget committee and that will be ready at our first meeting in April. Um but starting a few years ago, we wanted to kind of um get the process going earlier and get some of the other work um I want to say out of the way with but get it done going into the to the budget process. And so technically this could be done after the other budget work um but that feels like crunch time. And so, um, at the end of the day, no decisions can be made, um, until we have the rest of the budget, but we get as far as we can, um, and be ready for that discussion at that time. And so, that's why we've moved the the discussion of the nonprofit grants to before those meetings. Um earlier this year the city council decided to forego the having all the applicants come and present. And so I think that that's a good thing. I think rather than um hearing them present, especially where the requests are similar year to year and similar organizations. Um, I think a better use of your time is

discussing the the merits of the requests and the prioritization of those requests um and the questions you have or follow-up questions that you may have that we can take back uh to those organizations. That's a time better spent. And so, as Zach and I prepared for this meeting, we tried to as much as possible do some of the leg work for you. So you were provided each of the applications um along with um we tried to take some of the data that was easy to compare apples to apples to uh and and put that in a spreadsheet. And then um for today's purposes we've taken um we have this in front of you which is who has applied and then we have last year's data to look at what was the category one two or three for priorities last year and uh what was the amount they requested what the amount that was awarded. None of that has to mean anything to you. This is just to answer questions or put things into context, but just because one organization has previously got grant funding doesn't mean you have to continue to fund it. And just because an organization um didn't get something or got less than they requested, there's no reason that that has to continue. So, this is just uh to help you understand kind of what what's before you more than anything. Um, I think one thing that may be helpful uh before we jump into it is Zach, are you do we have a version of this with all of the questions or do you want to walk them through just the responses to the columns that we've hit and stuff like that. So, we've asked for some

other uh materials and generally we received them from all of the applicants, but um do you want to take a minute and just talk about the the feedback? Why don't you come up here too so you're better recorded? If you need me to move something around, let me know. All right. I'm maybe just going through what those questions were. Yeah. I'm going to do this from from memory because we hid all of the columns in this that I'm not trying to hide anything from you. trying to put this information so it's easy to use.

So, so what I tried to go through and do was on our on each of the the cover page of the application there are a number of check I think there are six check boxes or something. Um did you sub did you answer the the cover questions that we asked you? Yep. This is it right here. Okay. So, um did they did they include a statement of why the funds were needed? Uh, did they include a statement that says how the funds will benefit the city of Seaside? Um, let's see. Did they did they specifically say how much of the funding would be allocated specifically to Seaside? We've had that question in the past. Um, did they include any supporting me metrics? Um, have they yet sent me a spending report if they received funds for the previous year? because it's a it's a requirement. Once you've expended the funds, you need to send me a note that says, "Here, we've expended the funds. Here's what we spent it on."

Um, can I interrupt on that one? Absolutely. Can this committee get a copy of those reports? Yes. Yes.

Um, and I can I'll make a note to send those out after. Um then did you include your IRS form 990 which was on there and did you include an an annual budget? Um so of all those questions um there were a couple anomalies most of them are yes we did exactly what you asked us to do. Um some of them were no but provided a reason why. So, for example, um the only entity that did not include a 990 was uh Sunday supper because the Catholic Church was not willing to send that to us. Um because there's not a

Michelle didn't have a 990 either because she doesn't have enough money. She has she filled out the easy form. I do have a copy of that. You have an easy but it doesn't provide any information. It just says you received less than $50,000. And to be clear on that, Sunday supper, which is done by the Catholic Church, would require them to divulge their entire financial operation, not the Sunday supper component. And uh many many churches Yeah. So don't have to. So don't provide that. I told I told them unexpected

they reached out and asked whether that would be okay. I said yes. That's that seems reasonable to me. However, instead of what we've been getting in the past from them is actually the copies of the pages and the line items in their Excel spreadsheets and in their budgeting that all has to do with the donations being made for Sunday supper and the expenditures of Sunday supper. So without the 990 and without that other thing, we are more in the dark about everything. And I can see I can double check whether they sent that to me and I forgot to include it or if if not I can ask them.

That's is that something I think is that something we specifically requested. I think everyone got the same application packet, but they asked to be excused from that. So to then bounce back and say okay we well just send us what you sent us in the past would be a logical request. So I think we provided everything we have we received. So if there are if there are this is the purpose of this as you were discussing these requests.

So I turned my microphone off not on. Uh so uh that's the purpose of this meeting is to determine as a group what additional questions do you have as you're discussing each of these requests uh and weighing them if there are other questions that need to be answered for you to make your decisions. That's what we can track down between now and a subsequent meeting. I think the highlighting is mine. Yes.

Uh, and then for spending reports, so the reports that I was talking about earlier that said, uh, hey, we've spent the grant funds that you awarded us. Uh, here's what we've spent up spent it on. We didn't receive one yet. That's not to say that we won't. Perhaps they haven't spent the money yet, but um, still outstanding are Clats of CASA. Can I interrupt you? I saw that in their 2026 application letter. Okay. Then I could have They said this is what we spend it on and I could have missed that and they numbered the volunteers that were drained.

Okay. Um Al Centro I didn't see. Um the harbor didn't receive funds last year.

Helping hands I have not yet received and Sunday supper I have not yet received. It would it would seem logical that um we request that if you are putting in a subsequent year's grant application that you either uh have submitted your how you spent the money or you tell us you haven't spent the money yet and what you're intending. We need to have some sort of answer so that we know it's not just sitting out there in some account. And I believe Sunday supper did the same thing.

I could have missed 11 to 14,000 meals. Then I could have missed that too. No worries. Um and then amount of funding allocated to Seaside. And again, this is me there's the the document's 400 pages long. So, yeah,

this is me perhaps missing this or missing where they stated it, but CASA, I didn't see where they said what amount of funding would be allocated to Seaside. Um, I think they may have assumed that when they answered how will this benefit Seaside that that also answered that question. Uh, and then, uh, NCLC, I didn't see anything in their how will it be benefit Casside? I believe I saw they they were working on a project within seaside. So that makes sense. Um so those two questions could could be a yes too.

I think the learning from this is saying here's a specific question and we want you to have a specific paragraph rather than burying it in everything you say to us because there is a lot of redundancy in what they've said to us. But if we say we want these specific questions answered in this specific order or in separate paragraphs or something because there was one that as I was reading they actually had a paragraph. How did this benefit se what did we do with the money and it was like I can go right there and I can see it. Right. So it it's like don't don't bury the

bury it. Right. Right. That makes it harder for me which like makes it more difficult for you all. Um, so yeah, so I tried to make notes, you know, where I saw some of that stuff. Um, in the um in the Excel document that I sent, there was a key financial metrics item also. Um, that's not that's not put in there to necessarily make decisions on any one point. Uh, but taken together, I think I think some of that information is useful. So,

how does a program like the um restoration house have a 98% program expense ratio? Does that mean they have like no payroll? 98.9. Yeah, I I looked at that specifically, too. His he doesn't pay himself very much. Wow. Um, looks like 33,000. Now, it's skewed also because of the the grant that he got, which is more than it more than uh he typically takes in. So, he's got to claim that on 990 also. Um, so that could have skewed it for last year, but

I have to say I I really appreciate all of the work that you did and you put into this and this um one spreadsheet the um key financial metrics. Um that is really valuable information um and all those percentages. I'm used to that from healthcare um and and looking at nonprofits. Um, so I really thank you for all the the information you've given us and all the work you put into this. Absolutely.

I hope it hopefully it was helpful. Like we we've had a few runs at this now and I I have a little bit of a sense of the questions that you all will ask. So I tried to pull some things that might be helpful. Um, with that any more questions? No, I'm Thank you so much. Any more questions on any of that information? The only other thing I would say is with the with these ratios, and you kind of mentioned this, is just because someone has a lower ratio doesn't mean they're not doing a good job. Maybe they're just more payroll heavy and that's their mission as opposed to something like the restoration house who somehow gets away with the 98% right. So

yeah, it's hard because they all operate in different arenas, right? So it's hard to to lump them all together and say, okay, for this group of people, this is the most important thing to look at, right? uh because it's going to be different for you know some a group that provides meals than it would be for the restoration house or um things like that. They just have different businesses operations. Okay. Well, with that I will yield the discussion to Mr. Mayor.

Okay. Well, I think the uh first thing is to go through and decide as we've done in the past, try to categorize everybody. Um any comments on the uh prior year versus what we would do this year. I pretty much agreed with prior year with a couple of exceptions and I changed some of the amounts as well. We're not talking about amounts right now. Let's just talk about what are our top priorities for the city of Seaside and we've come up with three categories. Let's go one at a time. U casa one

one I still say it one. It's an important function.

David's chair. What does everybody know what that is? Right. They actually have two chairs now. So it's a little different. A brand new two chairs. I agree. one is still important. uh deliver line three

three and if I could point out there's there's redundancies amongst some of the organizations and that's where I'm looking at um h trying to understand the redundancies and does somebody else do this does do do the same thing and that kind of stuff Right. She's very She's special in what she does. Very unique. I remember her too. Does she do we know if she has some help now? She doesn't as far as I know. Just herself. Michelle.

Well, other than her board, her board is out with her, too.

Well, this one I'm okay with it standing, too. Anybody else? Bill, three, three, three, three. So, what are the categories again? Can we go back through that? Okay. One is we feel these are very important. Okay. Top top of the line what we want to really support. Yeah. Two is well, three would be the ones that okay, yeah, kind if we have money, we can give them some. Yeah. but they're not as critical to the uh what we feel we're supporting and two would be in between. So, and is there is there is there four

and would be blank, right? I I say that to say um we have had applicants in the past that we've the the budget committee has recommended not to fund. Um it just happens that uh the ones that we did not receive any applicants this year from anyone who did not get it last year other than mechanic and watershed council zero person zero or nothing. I personally don't feel just because there are three you give them leftover money. I think that's

that probably a bad way to put it. Yeah. I mean, we still support, you know, we we put one year we did uh what was it 4 in that category. We gave them $1,000 or $2,000 or something. I I don't know. Do you want a category four or no or something like that? Or we just leave it leave it blank and just don't assign a category. No, I I think I think you need to assign a category because if you leave it blank, it's like four means we're not interested in supporting. And again, how many how many were twos? Raise your hand. Three. How many? What?

I'm fine with two. Yeah, you're two. So, one, two, three, four. Only. So, there's four. Okay, let's I'm just getting a sense here. Four. And how many were threes? If it was a category four, I'd go for it. There is a category four. Yeah. And four still give. And again to be clear, we've got four at three and one at four. So now you could do three and a half. Again, this this is just to help you make decisions. There is no it's a straw. Yeah. There is no nothing that you're going to be held to. And if you wanted to make it out of 10, you could do that. Whatever's helpful. 2.5. It will

it's a 3.5 it rounds for me. All right. And at what point I guess it it weights more to three because we have a four as well. You can add a decimal point. All right. Um full screen. At some point we'll discuss each one of them a little further. Okay. Thank you. We're just talking about how we perceive these entities. May I ask a question? What is or who is El Centro? El Centro Northwest is um Hispanic based organization. There sort of Okay, thank you.

Two everybody. Anybody not two Norma still? No, that's not Norma. Norma is um from Espano. They're not on here. No. Harvard. One, three, three. Okay, let's vote. Um, one, raise your hand. Two. Okay. One. There's two ones. How many? How many twos? Two.

Three. Four twos. Threes. Three threes. So it kind of is somewhere around two again. All right. Helping hands. One one consensus is one. Uh North Coast Land Conservancy. Last year we gave money last year. Yeah, that was the first year they'd come. I'll be a three on that one. And except that they aren't telling us what they want to use the money for. Operations. That's Yeah, that's what I got out of it, too.

I got out of it. They're working on ADA access for the trail. Oh, who are we talking about? I thought we were talking about North Coast Land Conservancy NLC. But isn't that what they were working on last year? They're always working on that. Yeah, it's it's going to be a multi-year project. Lot of trails. There is. I'd say three. Yeah. All I've heard is threes. Three. Threes. Okay. Leave it at three. Mechanical watershed council. This is their first year of coming.

I'd say three there as well. Three.

One, two, and all threes. Rest threes. Okay. Sunday supper. one on that one. You know, uh I if it was for the meals, I'd probably go one. It's for improvement. It's for a piece of equipment that the church owns. I'm a three on that. All ones except two twos. So, it's one and three. No, no, there's two threes. Threes. Back to the community action CCA one one

restoration house one three three three I'm probably a two but three is fine got to see some action there uh the Our food bank one one and uh park and rack foundation one one one okay

two consensus ones all right let's go down the list can I ask a question if somebody is not up there is it because We've funded them for the last number of years that I've been doing this and they didn't ask for anything this year. Correct. That's what we have to assume. Yeah. Okay. They were late last year if I remember right. We let him in. Who is that? Um little yellow house. Tough decision.

So where did we end up on deliver light? Because I can change my number because one four is not going to But did it was a tri why we we went with three. Okay. Yeah. Rounding down. Yeah. Okay. CASA. Everybody knows what CASA is, right?

The situation with CASA right now is that it is a oneperson operation. The executive director who is doing a fabulous job. Um however she is the only one um and um I think the number of volunteer cases has probably gone down um with the number of cases needed. Um and I'm talking from a perspective I sit on the claxup uh review board. So, I sit on a board that oversees the foster care system through DHS in our county and CASSA is a very valued member because the CASA reports come to the CRB. They come to the judge. So, that's all very valuable work. However, right now because of cuts in funding, um there is um uh there's the the inability actually to do a lot of training to there is always recruiting going on. Um and many of the other CASAs in the state have actually merged because of the poor funding. And um I um I don't know if that is something that is trying to be staved off as far as class if it's involved. And if I I think most of the time we're asked to fund training

kind, you know, training and recruitment. Um however, I'm if things continue the way they are, I'm I'm not sure how much training and recruitment

can actually occur. So I gathered there were over 110 kids in Clatsup County that were funded or that were in CASEA. That's what they said in the letter. 54% of them had a volunteer assigned. A number of the people that were trained this year have been trained before and they also are training folks that may or may not become actual CASAs. Maybe they're in the foster care program. So it's like no. Okay.

Yeah. They don't get trained by CASA to do anything in the foster care. Foster care is all done by DHS. So, CASAs are are a completely stand but as advocates for kids in the courts.

So, it was teaching parents or people that were parenting how to better advocate for their kids that was included in the training. Well, the parents who get mandated by the court to take parent training, that training is provided professionally and it is provided, it is paid for by the by DHS.

You might want to reread her materials this year about how I'm not questioning it because I believe we have a responsibility to fund kids in Clatsup County that are CASA. Um, but there was a little bit different explanation this year about who the training dollars went to and whether they became volunteers or not. I'll reread that. Yeah, it was a little surprising but not necessarily a bad thing.

They swore in two new volunteers from a class of five. So, and she mentioned that not everybody that is trained um does follow through. Um one of the volunteers said was is actually employed by Providence. Um but that those two new volunteers added allowed him to add five more kids. They like everybody else, they have people retire and step back,

but as of December 31, they have 21 volunteers serving 49 kids and attended 165 court sessions. So despite being in the the freeze, they're still doing the work. Absolutely. Even Yeah. And it's just, you know, You got to hope their um director doesn't burn out doing all this work. She's doing what? Three jobs right now effectively. Yeah.

And one of the things here require updated training annually. Yes. You u volunteers um supposed to have so many hours of training a year. So these funds would go to that as well,

right? they yes they would so and um the it is it would never be um a case where a 100% of the children would be represented by a CASA because probably 30 to 40% of the children either are placed outside of the county where they don't get a CASA from here and or and or they are um they refuse to have a CASA Most of the teenagers refuse. So, I'm good supporting the same model did last year. Yep. I definitely wouldn't want to see it go down.

No. Particularly, you know, on the case of the Fed pulling back so much, and if you're hearing that other places around the state are merging and then they're not going to merge with us. way up here in the corner. Actually, you have heard that we don't have United Way of Clatsup County any longer. So, we now have a merged United Way of Clats of Colombia and Tielemont counties, but it's called Colombia County, United Way.

So, the merging of th of things in those three counties is not uncommon. But I don't know how strong the cases are in the other two counties.

So we have one comment to keep them at 7500 like they were last year. They requested uh less this year than last year. Any comments? I'd be in favor of giving them the amount requested this year. 12,000 Yep. Yep. make up a little bit for the feds. Okay. 12,000 it is. Again, these are tentative recommendations to the budget committee later.

David's chair. I had a question.

It was about two months ago I attended the ceremony, if you want to call it that, um a very rainy day where they delivered uh two new chairs and the Elks is continuing to uh house those as well as good deal of particip the not participants, people that help and volunteer from the Elks. Uh the downtown association, I think the chamber as well provides some volunteers and uh you know they got a grant to buy the chairs. Uh these wear out over time. It was three years ago that we got the first one and we're already on a replacement. So, uh, effectively the 7,000 and he showed it in his materials, that's about what it costs them to, uh, to do a chair.

And they fit both those chairs in that little building they have. They did. The chairs are slightly engineered. I don't know what the right word is. Bill probably knows. They can maneuver better, so they can fit in there. And they they now have two chargers. And it seems like it was like a better charger as well. The charges faster. Yeah. Do we know how much they're used? Um they are three uses.

They are used more than anywhere else on the coast. Seaside is the most used. Um, Newport I think and Lincoln was Lincoln City is right behind and I would like us to stay number one. I have a little thing going on with both mayors of Newport and so we've got the best. Yes. And we're the only one now that has two at least for now. It's a fabulous program. It is great that we have the chairs and that they were able to replace with new with the grant funding that didn't cost the city anything.

So the $7,000 for the maintenance and upkeep of them is obviously what the price of having the chair is.

Not that this should sway anyone's opinion or the other, but one one note is that this this does not come out of the general fund. At least it traditionally hasn't. um this comes out of the visitors bureau and the tourism that they give. So um not that that should sway you one way or the other, but I just wanted to make that note. So if that's the case, not for this year possibly, but maybe for next year, is that something that maybe shouldn't continue to come to the budget committee because we're talking more general fund dollars and get melded into what is funded out of grants through the tourism bureau.

Something the council could decide to do. Sure.

I was going to recommend that um if the council wants to continue supporting it that we make it a line item in the visitors bureau budget like we do the museum at any point the council can change. um it wouldn't it I think one of the reasons it's here when it we initially directed them to the grant program is it doesn't fit the grant program because the grant program is specifically for events that will bring overnight stays that doesn't really fit with David's chair um so I think one way to do that would be a commitment for ongoing funding of a certain amount um and obviously that can be amended changed done away with whatever we want each year um but not look it as a necessarily a grant but more of a partnership or something like that.

So to give you a different view of that though um it makes sense for the museum to be a line item in the u the tourist tourism budget because the museum lives here. The museum is housed here. The museum is local. This is someone from the I'm going to say from the outside coming in with a program. And I do think because they have advertised that they bring tourists to us and um I think I've read stuff where somebody said they came to Seaside specifically so they could use this and they spent the night etc. I think they do fit into a a a a part of our purpose behind tourism grants, bringing heads in beds is, you know, so I I would be more inclined to continue it being a grant as opposed to a line item. And I think I think the way I would see it is the city could enter into an agreement and basically have the visitors bureau contract with David's share to provide a certain level of service and for that receive some compensation that what we're doing here. So, uh I think the grant would be if we want to review it annually. Um but there are if the intent is to continue to to do it then I think it would make sense for both just to have uh an agreement for a certain level of service with a financial commitment. But that's that's what the council gets to decide.

One other thing that is worth mentioning is the visitors bureau has been doing a big accessibility push. I don't know that we featured David's chair in any of our ads. I don't I don't think I've seen that. I think it's in the the visitor guide. Oh, okay. I think it is. We were definitely talking about the the walkways on the beach and uh we've done a lot of ads for accessibility. So, I think it fits right in with that. It does. Always on the wall. Are those considered grants? Yes, they are. Giving the money away for free. Yeah. And not expecting they're just requesting something. It's a grant. It's a grant. That's what I thought. Clarify that.

One question I had is the money they're asking for is for operations and maintenance for our David's chair, but their financials really just show the whole Yeah. David's chair umbrella. So, how much do they really spend for Well, he mentioned that it was like I think $7,300. I think that was to buy them that was to buy the new chair. No. No. The chairs are a lot. Their chairs are more like 25 grand or something like that, right? But they had to buy two if they bought two new chairs this year. Buy new chair.

Yeah. But that should show in their budget from the last this past year how much they spent. There's a line in their letter that says, "Maintaining our equip equipment in a coastal environment requires constant attention, and last year's grant covered almost all of the 7312 that we spent to provide the track chair to seaside." No, we have two. So, what did you just two chairs? Two chairs. So, we want to give them to 14. And since it's not coming out of this, it's a wash, isn't it?

Well, tourism money has to go to a lot of things. So, just because it's tourism money doesn't mean we throw it at everything, 14 14. Yep. Yeah. And put a note that we'll discuss how to handle it in the future. Let's try to get Josh to put it in our ads. Yeah, why not? What was your note, mayor? Sorry. To uh discuss moving it to a budget line item.

Deliver light. Yeah. Um, it was my understanding that at some point during the past year, uh, she suspended services. What did she do with the money? I mean, did she spend all the money we gave her? Do we did we get did she give us a report of what she did with that money? I don't have one yet. I looked for that one specifically. And from what I read, this is to basically fund a position that they that she's calling an outreach person, which is herself,

which is the same basic request from last year. We already have a outrage. I'm pretty sure she requested something like seven last year, not the 24. Yes.

I think the 24 was the year before that. It might even been more. And as I was reading everything, I I did have to think, what is she doing that CCA and CBH and the Bob and I'm not sure who else isn't doing already because I know CCA, they could use another uh another staff person with the skills and the drive that she has,

but they're not going to get a staff person for four grand. No, but you could contract for more hours in the camp as an example. If we're doing 27 or 28 hours, does 4 grand get us 32 hours or something like that for that purpose? Um, she did. She doesn't 50,000. So she doesn't have to provide a detailed version. It's like a postcard that says yes, you submitted it or

this is one of the redundancies that I was looking at. And last year we reduced it from 24,000 to 4,000 and we basically funded her supplies. And like I said, I'm pretty sure she didn't ask for 24 last year. That's just not correct up there.

Oh, if I remember, I I actually I do have I think it was seven and we reduced it to four. Um yeah, year before she asked for 24. Oh, that's we gave her four. Last year she asked for seven. We gave her four again. Okay. Now this year she's back to 24.

So does she work with anybody else? any other of the associate or any other like CCA or anybody? So, how effective is she? She works on her own. She um will see people that she thinks are in need and go up and offer her assistance. So, is it effective? She states that she has 17 people last year. But my question is where were they? How did you do that? what was the funding and what we don't know is if these if any of them were also given assistance to get off the streets from CCA right or CDH

can I can I add one thing on this and I'm trying to stay out keep my mouth shut and let you guys talk and decide um in our camping policy when we created the new camp adopted a new policy for that campsite we had a significant ificant section in there dedicated to how we defined and classified um service providers because we didn't want any good-hearted person coming in and just doing stuff. um we wanted to have um uh they had to meet certain criteria and so that may be something you want to look at in this case because off top my memory I don't think she would qualify as a service provider in our camp based on the criteria that was put together in that policy. I think there's several areas where um she would be excluded. So I think that's the kind of problem with a oneperson show with a good idea but not necessarily any um any training. We don't know if it's doing more harm than good. I mean we just I don't think we know any of the metrics or outcomes or anything like that. So again, that feels like putting my finger on the scale, but uh uh thought came to me that we already have some criteria set and if the city council and budget committ interested, we can find that and send it to you. So she does say here she did help 17 people get housed. So that's very specific. So homeless people because I was thinking, dang, that's half of our camp.

That's good work. But are these people that are already working with Helping Hands or CCA? I mean, it's so Are they seaside? Yeah. It's just so vague that I I have no idea what that means, right? I mean find technically technically getting them I know is getting them a tent in our camp getting them housed because it's getting them off the street and into a shelter I guess but so there's there's lots of possible go back for more information you can you can do whatever you want I think just looking for direction from the

majority some clarification on the 17 people and how specifically what happened. Give us a little more description. Is that going to make any difference to committ? No point in asking questions. It's not going to make any difference to your decision.

Gave her 4,000 last year. Why not give it to her again? She does. Are you feeding the bears? Are you feeding the bears? I think we should put a pin in it. Move on. So, leave it at zero for now. Come back. The consensus zero. Hearing nothing else. Okay. Elro,

I can't remember. What did El Centro tell us? They wanted to use the money for food. They were uh they were providing food for folks that are unable to go out and shop on their own because they're afraid or um otherwise constrained. He was very definite about saying culturally specific food too. Not really.

Well, I think it's mainly food and mainly people that are not eligible for SNAP, which is a lot more now, too. And I don't know how redundant that is to the work that Conspano is doing. Is there a difference between Cano is in Atoria and is here too. Your office is here too. Oh, they do? Yes. Okay. I didn't know that. Yeah, that's always been one of my questions. I think they've had an office here for No, she's the director, isn't she? She's the um assistant executive, not the executive director. The assistant assistant.

Yeah, director. Jenny P. Rataway. Radway is the executive director. Wasn't El Central looking for a office space or something? They had office space that is over by Domino's and they have a parttime program manager. They do not have an executive director. Um, and a board and I don't I don't know how active the board is or how active the whole thing

central seems pretty active in the county central

they also said they um are active in health navigation free tax prep um working with the school district um they were uh has if you call not supplied it's not the right word uh facilitated folkloric dance classes for students um starting in May. So, it's things that they're doing. What they said they used last year's money was safety workshops related to ICE and printing emergency packets, workshop materials and mileage. So, it's pretty much everything seaside. you know, I think it's it's a small request and um

I I think it's worth doing. And you said it was for food specific things they specifically mentioned this time. Okay. 3,000 3,000 not and uh you know if They've developed people along with Cono. One thing they mentioned in their report that I I thought was interesting is that they said there's only 6% Hispanic or Latino here in the county according to the census and pretty much everybody accepts that that number is much much higher than that.

It is. The school mentioned it was closer to 30%. But they don't report in the census. So it's a bigger issue. So everybody's fine. Three small number. Yeah. Good. The harbor took a year off. So they This is Oh, go ahead. Sorry. No, that was it. So they're looking for a survivor support person, the DSART program. So that's operations. Yeah.

So if I remember two years ago, what they requested from us was to do some classes in the high school etc. that I don't believe ever happened because they had a huge uh like shakeup at their board and executive director level and um I'm not sure they've come out of that instability. Why did we not fund them last year? Sorry if I missed the Well, I don't think they came back last year for money. No,

just a year before was for that training or after a few years. Um I know in the past we've always asked them how much work do you do in seaside? How much how much of your uh clientele, if you will, is seaside based and seaside. Um, I know that they have um I'm going to call them safe houses and they've got they own some properties. Um, but it's all in Atoria. I I don't think they have anything here in season.

I think they quantified this with the person on call gets a $30 stipent and then they get paid by the hour. Yes. For every hour. So the survivor support person would be on call potentially go to the person go to the hospital whatever with them and that's what this would be funding but we don't know how much of that is seaside versus they said county right too I didn't look this one up that um they're not at liberty to tell us that

because of privacy concerns which is a number. A percentage is you don't even know and I know they have given us that kind of information in the past.

The uh only thing I noticed that was a little odd is that the 990 they provided was from about three years ago. Right. Okay. Yeah. Right. I would without knowing. Yeah, it was 2021. 40. Yeah. So that's four years ago. Well, yeah. Well, 20 24 I think is probably the newest most people have done. So that fits in with their, you know, their issues that they had during that period. 2021

21. We didn't give him anything last year. We gave him half of their requests the year before that. I'm forgiving him nothing this year. What was that request the year before? 20. and and they didn't do what they said they were going to do with it because that I remember halfway through the year they sent out notices saying we have shut down for three or four or five months and I remember sending an email saying what's happening to our money if they're shutting down

right but they they do provide a bad service for domestic violence I mean it's you a good question. You know, how much of it is in seaside? That's Yeah, that's my question. And be nice to know that. And again, that would be a good question to go back and say we do need an answer and a more updated or at least an explanation where they're at on being up to date. Yeah. because 2021 they behind on the 990 then that means they're behind in any state audits as well. So there's too many red flags on this.

Yeah. So two questions to go back to I'd be open to get more information first. Leave that one blank. Yeah. I'd like to know either how many people they've served or even like a percentage of their service. $4 million is a lot of money in 2021. So, how much

are you writing that down? Yep. All right. So, I got uh can you provide an estimate of what percentage of clients served are from seaside and then can you provide an updated 994 just where they're at on it um with their problems? Um, you know, you can file extensions on some of this stuff, but um, still might be behind and there might be. It just depends. That would be, you know, because we did get from one of these there was an extension filing stuck in the middle of all their paperwork. I remember seeing, oh, extension.

You can do extensions on 99s because there's generally no money due. So, it's not like you're going to get hit with some kind of big penalty, but we should know where they're at. Could you get a little more specific even and maybe it's another question, how much of a survivor support uh would be utilized within seaside clientele and how much this would be used in seaside.

Yeah. And that could be based on experience because I don't know that that's a brand new position because they've been telling us all along that they provide survivor support for many years. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Okay. We're on helping hands. that they want the money for the facility operations.

I say we uh fund them at 25,000 like we have for a couple of years. I agree. I think one of, you know, they talk about this being for shelter and how much housing they've provided and for how many people, but what I'm also hearing is that um you might get one night of housing, but unless you um are sober or unless you enroll in the program, you don't get to continue that. 30 days.

Yeah. And Yeah. And so there's there's conditions and all that. Yeah. I think it's always been like that. Yes. Yes. And so, um, you know, whatever. If if I was funding something, I would be wanting to fund a shelter, a true wintertime shelter, which we have not had in this city for uh, a number of years, not since CCA was actually doing it and paying helping hands to use their building. Right. I just don't think that's their model. No, it's not their model. Do we know if they were a warming center at all this winter?

That's the warming center. No, we did not have a warming center this year. No, it wasn't needed or it wasn't sure nights that were super cold. Well, they don't think it ever got below freezing, but Atoria had a warming center. I guess my question is, are they available for a warming center right now or No, no. Haven't been since DCA did it. It it isn't their business model. Yeah. They don't do a warming center. And two, three years ago, we had a warming center because CCA operated it by renting the helping hands facilities.

And it seemed to me that part of the operations was case management. They were trying to do some case management. Did you get that? That's their model. Yeah. They want to get you going so that you can function on your own. They've proved pretty well that they are really good at that

and that's why they're uh you know most of northwest Oregon you know clear down to Lincoln City and and Yamhill as well as the big Newman now in Portland. Um I disagree with well I don't know if disagree is the right word but this is a different model and I don't think we should compare it to somebody like CCA or whoever is providing just low barrier to come in. This is a means to get people off of the street and perhaps not having to fund it fund an individual person uh going forward. This gets them back on their feet and it's a proven model and I'm fine with, you know, given what they request. Always have been.

It almost sounds like we need another option. That's where we're missing kind of that missing piece where it is more of a warming shelter. Did Did they give us um some numbers about how many people they've gotten off the streets? No, but they worked with 255 unique individuals this year. That's what they stated.

Yeah. And that doesn't mean they got them off the streets. And I can tell you from having talked to people who uh are residents of Stepping Stones, people who are being evicted from Stepping Stones, people who are thinking of going to Stepping Stones, people who are on the street, the last place they want to go is helping hands. And I ask why all the time. And part of it is because they don't like the way they're treated. They don't what?

They don't like the way they're treated. Now, that can mean a whole bunch of different things, but I regularly visit helping hand facilities and they're and they're mostly full, both men and women, and they've lost, you know, one thing you have to consider is they've lost a lot of their state and federal funing. So they're trying to compensate that with donations and that doesn't go very far. And this is a small ask for their older and they actually have accommodate families.

They do. And they also they also um shelter lady women, you know, domestic violence people go through domestic violence as well in their houses on emergency basis. And they work well with the police department as well with um getting people. The police department refers a lot of people to either CCA or to helping ants people who fit within their their you know they can be vetted to to actually be housed in their facilities and I think 50,000 is a small contribution to get them off the street. Do we know if their physical plants have been fixed? I know the last time we looked at all this, the back porches were uh unsafe.

Yeah. And um was that ever proven or is that was that just somebody's opinion? No, it was because we were told that they had to be fixed. Well, I know Allan told me that the back porch still needed work. I don't know what's going on in that respect.

They spent a lot of time fixing up that that building, the new house that's adjacent to it, and it's now it's complete. So, they've done a lot of work, and they've done a lot of work at the facility in um Atoria as well. So, Any other comments? Bill. What work were they doing in histori? Yeah, they had building drive. They had across used to be like a boarding house kind of place.

I think it was a flood or something they had in here. and they had a flood and what it was fire problem, but it is um been redone and it's very nice and it is a family women's men's women family building. They haven't been in any of their buildings for three years, but they used to. We'll keep clean and sober. You can go in there, walk in and ask for a tour. Okay. How many was their loan up? Give them a loan.

How many want to give them their full request? 50,000. Okay. Thank you. Moving on. Who's next? Um, North Coast Land Consery. We gave them three. We gave them five last year. They asked for five. They're wanting to keep trails ADA accessible. Do we know the results of of the five we gave them? How much that did?

Yeah, it went with the other funding and created uh we did some trail work and gardens out front of the new building. Gardens out front of the new building. Ours was earmarked for trails. That's what they asked. But they just kind of lumped it together and said, "This is what we've done." Can David's chair go out there out to the NCLC? Yeah. Somebody would have to pack it up onto a trailer and take it out there. So, the trails that they work on, where are those located?

South of town. They're all out by Ripet Lane and stuff. Yeah. north of the building and I saw a map somewhere in there that basically they hope to make it go up Boneyard Ridge. Boneyard Ridge. Yeah. So, it won't be I mean it'll be accessible to everybody I guess. Um they provided expenses of how much the project cost and it's $280,000. Um they're asking for five

five They're getting a wide range of where the money's coming from. A lot of smaller individual grants the size of what they're asking us. They're wellunded as well as not having a party without owning it.

Um, watershed council. This is group that's been around for a while, but they've never come to ask us for money. Um, the city has done several projects with them. Um, probably the most recent was the covert over on Hana. If I remember right, the um canoe launch, kayak launch at Broadway was a project with them and they they go out and get the money and Kayak is they're also working with the TAC committee right now on potentially doing a mural downtown to beautify it. It's like a salmon mural.

Oh. So, they're working on it to get a space, but the grant funding is there to do it. And they're working with the library with those little fish fry. That's fish to fry. Fry. And then they're also going to be doing a project with ODOT on our U access bridge. Which are you talking the Thompson? No. Our water source. The the bridge that has the trees growing in the middle of it that's going to be replaced. They wanted what is that watershed council? Uh I don't know the answer to that actually. I mean it does sound familiar. Yeah.

We've got we've got a bridge as trees growing on. I know we approached them for it. Yeah. So they wanted to do something with them as well. This was really about a community educator. Yeah. and some of the education. I I mean they I just went to their presentation with the looking into remediation of the water down at on off Lewis and Clark and Thompson. Is it Thompson Creek or Thompson Creek Falls? Right. Anyway, and um where that Phil was brought in they never mentioned Phil. It used to be was years ago.

There was a lake there. So they're they're looking into says exploring restoration solutions. Restoration solutions. And yeah, we both went to the thing and there were people there upset because they thought there's a specific thing they're going to do and that was not the project at all. The idea is to bring it out and let people talk about it. But there were some residents that were just really concerned and it's well was the way it was originally presented. it. You could assume it was a done deal and this was the get you involved, but really it was the other end. It was the get you involved and you know

they seem to be really good at partnering. Yeah. They said specifically we're requesting a small amount of funds with support community educator and that work would go towards dedicated outreach to the Latinics and um the eggs including our eggs to fry which is part of that. So it's uh and maybe a little bit to work with the schools too. They didn't specifically mention the Thompson Creek thing. Doesn't sound like it'd be a bad request.

I don't think it would be a bad request for the 5,000. I think I think it's a good request. It's a small request. Give it to us. Okay. Consensus is keep it at five. Seems like a small ask. Yeah. Give them a shot. We're giving money to threes. Pay attention. Yeah, I see that. We give mine to everybody. Okay. Sunday supper. Did they specify? This is for a builtin uh refrigerator. Freezer. Freezers. Three

to replace their walk their walk-in freezers like 27 years old or something like that. So, they're going to replace it with three Okay. Freezers. So basically we're buying freezers for the Catholic Church. That's really what you're doing because you put them in there that belongs the property of Our Lady of Victory. But the program is so The program is wonderful. It's great. The program has been going for 40ome years and there's not much chance it's going to quit. Fully funded by or fully run by volunteers. How many We rebuilt the inside of that kitchen. implement in several ways.

They can't provide food without having a refrigerator. You got to store it somewhere. And if the refrigerator is failing, it has to be replaced. They don't have the funds to replace it. I understand. Then the food, you know, continuing their operation is a is supplying food dies. So I think I agree. It would feel a little better if we were paying for food, but at the same time, it's all going to the same place and they provide a great service, so I'm fine with it. But I do agree it would be better. And I want you to think about the future. The next church that wants to come and ask us for a refrigerator so they can feed people. Well, they're doing meals. I would consider it.

And their individual cases. If somebody wants to propose something, we don't have to give it to them. They said 220 270 meals each week. So that's between 11 and 14,000 meals a year. 52 weeks a year. Um, significant majority is within the city limits. Some travel from farther away, but they basically said 100% of the funds are expended within the seaside city limits.

You got to go there. Well, I don't know if the all the food necessarily comes from within the city limits or not. Oh, I see. Regardless, yeah, majority are people that are here in Seaside because they have to go to the place in Seaside. They do about 30 to 40 meals on wheels every Sunday. The total project cost was a little over $24,000. So it's a little more than 50%. Yeah. They're asking for is three units.

So the system has failed five times in the last 5 years resulting in the preemptive disposal of nearly 700 pounds of frozen food. Having had a grocery store can tell you that that is a huge loss. Yeah. Huge. They first time I remember seeing this provided a pretty clear um they call a statement of organizational separation. Um I hadn't seen that before. Anybody else remember it? They never provided it because it didn't exist.

And I I thought that was made it pretty clear that this is pretty independent operation as well as putting the partnership eligibility from USDA in there. I think their eligibility, their USDA eligibility comes through um the food bank. Um they've got a letter in here. So they can get money from Oregon Food Bank as well as CCA.

No, they don't. They they don't get money from them food and actually they don't buy a lot of food from the food bank because they decide on their menus first and if the food bank has them the food, they'll go to the food bank. If not, they will go and buy it somewhere else. And you know, the thing is supported by a lot of people that live in this community. Those are Muslim people that work in that Sunday supper. So it's not nobody's paid.

It's been going for 40 years means something to me. Yes. Okay. How many say 15? Full 15. Two, three, four, five, six, seven. Okay. 15. CCA. 50,000. No discussion. Just 50,000. I understand. You do, huh? For what? Huh? For what? uh they're asking for it for food bank and housing

and I would prefer to see that it was for housing as opposed to the food bank because again I'm seeing the redundancy about how food banks work. I think it would be a really really good idea at some point for us, for our council to actually get a presentation about how the food bank system works from the federal level to the state level to the local level to the town level and see what are the requirements, how does that money flow, how does that all work? because um there as I'm learning more I am seeing disconnects between our seaside pantry and the food bank and most people think that they're very connected together and that does not appear to be the case to me.

They buy their food from they buy some of their food and then they go except for what's donated. They go and pick up food from Yes. The food they buy is from the food bank. Yeah. But then they also go and they pick up food and we saw it in the report. They pick it up from a lot of different places. And what I'm what I'm hearing is that there's actually competition.

Yeah. between the food bank and the food pantries as to who can get to that grocery store first and get their donation of food as opposed to having a system where maybe everybody donates here and then it's parcelled out. So um so I I think to some extent we operate from some assumptions and from somewhat lack of knowledge and I think it would be really good for us to have better understanding of that overall doesn't happen have to happen today but I mean I think for the future because we're getting a lot of requests for money for food. Well, last year we gave them money for food bank and personal care. They had the personal care pantry

and that's what our fund 50,000 went to last time. This time it's food bank and housing. So I I can tell you that they've lost 26% of their funding for the food bank. Yeah.

At CCA alone. And so just just with the USDA cuts, um there is a there is a system in place for them to verify to try to verify people aren't double dipping at the different food banks. They try to do that. St. Vinny's St. Vincent's food doesn't participate in that program, but the county the uh ours does and CCA does. And um I will tell you there's a there's a huge need. They can't go out and buy more food to supplant the food that food bank food that they the dollars they've lost. So they serve less people. That's how they respond to that problem. So giving the money allows you to serve more people instead of having to cut the services they give.

And and that I I don't disagree with any of that. But as we apply the philosophy of how much of this is helping seaside and we are applying it to other countywide um you know we have a request here from the south county food pantry that is theoretically exclusively seaside. So what do we know about the percentage at the food bank in Warrington is seaside because you know if we're going to apply that philosophy elsewhere and and I'm a tr I truly I'm a CCA proponent but I'm also looking at the fairness and how do we apply this across the board. So I would I would much rather say the money goes for housing for housing keeping people in their houses in Seaside, keeping people who need rent assistance in Seaside, people who need electric and and utility assistance in Seaside because keeping people in their houses keeps them off the streets and and that's that I mean that's the first line of defense. So, I'm not saying don't give them the money. I'm saying I'd like to see it um pointed at a different direction. Larry says approximately 40% of the people that we serve are from the city of Seaside, but there's no indication of whether 50,000 represents 40% of their expenses or anything like that.

And in fact, they look to not have the people I there are going to get seaside people at the food bank because the food bank is open more days than the food pantry. The food pantry is only open two days a week for three hours a day or something. So it's not going to be able to serve everybody in seaside. So some of those people if they can make it to Warrington because that's the other thing if they're do they have the transportation. So, I'm not against the I'm not against the amount of money. I'm just want to define it a little better where it goes.

I don't have any problem just leaving the 50 the way it asked. Whether they allocate $50,000 to housing versus food, it's just a it's just a numbers game on a piece of paper. It doesn't matter. Yeah, it doesn't matter. They have they have 50,000. Um, you can certainly arrange a I wouldn't do a presentation. I'd do a tour. If the council wants to go up and visit the food bank and have them show us how it works, that'd be fine. And we could invite the budget committee. We'd like to go. You would?

You know, a tour is nice, but the other thing is when I'm saying presentation, I'd like to bring Darren Guch in from the food pantry. I'd like to bring in some of the other people who run the pantries in the county so that we're looking at the full picture. We're not just looking at the food bank and we also know what happens going above that. There there is talk that because of the of the strain on the food banks that we had the different food banks we have in the county some of them will disappear in the next year and so they'll be consolidated under the main food bank in Warrington and the one here in Seaside. So the money you're giving them

will go a long way in 2026 27 and I think that's the assumption many people make is that the food pantries are um administered through the food bank. I think a lot of people think that has made it clear that that's not the case every I'm not saying us I'm saying a lot of people. So they just don't know. They haven't asked the right questions. And you're you're just talking about the food bank. There's also they also have mobile as well. Come through seaside. Okay. How many say full 50,000?

Okay. Restoration house. This one had um some requirements on it where it was going to be I forgot to ask you this already, but did they come and get any of the 15 we have aotted last year? Yes. Yeah, they submitted um construction receipt receipts shortly after the turn of the fiscal year. All right. For how much? For the whole amount. It was it was well in excess of the whole amount. Yeah.

Okay. And this is because I know I read one place there um the cost of construction has increased so much they want to need to do a re ren some renovation of the existing structure to marry the two together with some parking lot uh improvement and landscaping. the phrase they used on the historically acceptable or historically something or other landscaping that kind of went.

Yeah. Because it is kind of a strikingly Victorian building.

Now we're waiting on the last again. We're we we're funding what somebody else owns. Remember the last time he said that they actually own it. The the person the he's the president of the of the organization, but the organization owns it. She doesn't own it any longer. That's what he told us last time. Is this I don't know that to be true.

The third year in a row now that we've talked about this remodel, reconstruction add-on. They're still waiting on they're finding another grant that they're waiting on an answer for. And didn't wasn't there some urgency last time because we have this grant money we have to spend, but we can't spend it unless we have some more money from you. Yep. Yep. Yep. And we vacated the street, right? The street got vacated.

I mean, it's a service that is important to our community. It's a population that otherwise is left out and folks are coming back to our community and so it is there is reason for restoration house. Just saying there is but again this project has been three plus years now and yes restoration house is very important to the community but

I think we should put a hold on this until they well it's underway the the funds the big one you're talking about has to be dispersed by the end of this year. Yeah. And that and the 10 new units they're doing will be online late this year. And there's April is this month. Oh yeah, they said it was I don't see it here. Is that somebody else? It was that then? It said in March. Yes, March. Didn't give an exempted one. So they 13. Nothing is happening there. Oh, yeah. It says you live down the street, so you would not go buy it every day.

10 10 new long-term units and 16 beds. So, but I think it the pro project went under a design change. So, not sure. My question too would be has it got all the approvals through the planning commission? Does it have to go to the planning commission? The design change might have required that. I think they didn't need to or something. They figured that out quite a while ago. And u road vacation, I think. Oh, yeah. We took care of that. Didn't the Didn't he come and present to us? Present to the council. That was for the vacation. Yeah, just for you showed us what it was going to look like.

Yeah. It's five on the bottom, five on the top. um I don't want to call it prefab because it's not but it's yeah modular is the word and it's a significantly less expensive way to do it to get the housing into a a small area. Uh they're taking that cottage that's in the back and putting it there and they're still well off of the river. Stuart Emmens is the architect for it and it's pretty groundbreaking type of technology that they're using. That sounds

okay. How many say full 15? One, two, three, four, five, six. That's more than half of us, right? Yeah, you know, we're not a full group, so we don't know what people It's the people that are here. So, and we'll make a further decision later when we make it this official. Makes too easy. Okay. Um, South County Food Bank.

We give them more. What do they want? I They just attend like he's asked I think most years. They're pretty consistent. Yeah, he's asked for 10 at least back to 2022. And he they're using it for purchasing food. Yep. I think that's all for 10,000. 10,000. Yep. Any any disagreements? No.

And uh the park and rack foundation is for scholarships. And um he's been at five the most recent years. It was three before that, but pretty much scholarships for people that can't afford. Um, we have a lot of them in town. I've always thought this one is a little out of our scope. I'm not against it, but I feel like it's kind of out of what our mission has been with this whole process. I agree with you. I do too. Probably a great purpose. The same thing for years though. I mean, it's been the same discussion for many years.

It was diving boards one year, I remember. Or that was something different. Yeah. So that and that was for the school team competition that brought other teams in which I don't know if it did or not

five. Yep. Yep. Keep your hands up. This one's closer. One, two, three, four, five, six. Okay. question. Do we include the 14,000 in this for David's chair or is it so for the general fund we're at 170 right now? Oh, because this amount will come out of the Why don't you take that off for now and see what because the 141's general fund

or is that the amount that was budgeted last year for all of these? That was general specific. Well then, yeah, it should be seven less theoretically including David's chair in that one. So, we've taken it out of that column I so that is representative of what the effect will be on the general fund or yeah, does it come out of F as well or is the 141? Well, the 141 includes David's chair for last. Yes, that's correct. That came out of general. Depends where the Yeah. Why don't you for the sake of the

sake of it right now take the 7,000 out of the last year. So, if we compare general fund last year to this year, this is what we're looking at. Might I suggest that with restoration house even though we are recommending the 15 full 15,000 that we hold it as we did last time with the receipts because it may not come to fruition in this budget year. They may actually need it next year. And that was the same reasoning we used this is next year. Yeah, they've already gotten last year's,

but the project they've already gotten the current year. This is for next year. But I agree. I mean, it's just reimbursement is what and they haven't I mean, they haven't even started the project and it's costing more. We have Yeah, because we wouldn't have paid the last year's 15 if they hadn't started the project. So, what did they work underway? reimbursing them for on that sent me receiver construction costs for so they did do some construction they did something the interior of the original home yeah I I agree it should be on reimbursement basis

now he's probably going to be able to provide those fairly quickly after the after the if if last year is any indication Right. Um, so do you say reimbursement upon completion of the 10 units that are supposed to be done at the end of the year or do you say for specific things something to do with parking and right landscaping landscaping? No, we it's again it's a bookkeeping,

right? And it becomes it becomes pretty difficult for me to say yes, this I don't have any concept of what his problem or what his project is. So he could submit $15,000 of receipts to me and I would have no idea whether it was for this or for that. Right? He could give you the receipts based on costs that he had last year that were cost overruns that we didn't reimburse. So do we say on reimbursement of costs after after July 1st that I mean it has to be in yes I agree with you year. So any cost incurred after July 1st okay

want to leave deliver light and the harbor to discuss. I've got questions for both of them. Yeah, cuz they're the two we have questions for. So bringing answers to the meeting will help make decisions. So those two. So I've got for for deliverite my outstanding question is can you provide more information on the 17 people who are housed? Is there any other question that you want me to pose to her?

Good with that. Maybe not specifically on the people. We want to know where they were housed and h what where the funding came from to house them. Yeah, that's true. Because knowing what housing is like around here, although most of the money is going looks like it's all salaries, majority of it on the financials on her, right? She wants to fund a a homeless outreach coordinator. But who if you're going to make a statement that we've housed 17 people, where were they housed? Not who specifically? I don't care about that. Where were they housed and what was the funding

and where did the funding come from for the housing? Because that starts to tell us who she's working with that these clients are probably also working with. might also help us understand if it's seaside people if she just is handing out a phone number to the CCA or something. Yeah, she coordinates with them helps them because they do a vetting for the housing as well. Her heart's in the right spot. Yeah, for sure. Okay. And then you told us the questions that we had for harbor

the harbor. The questions I have is uh can you provide an estimate of what percentage of clients served are from seaside? Um can you pro provide an updated copy of your form 990 or let us know where you stand on getting current with them? And then uh how much of your request for survivor for survivor support would be used within the city of Seaside? Yep. Those are the three questions I have. Yep. Okay. Anything else you need from us? I don't think so. I think this gives us a good starting point. So, next meeting for the budget committee is

well this and the next one will be officially the budget committee process. So, I believe that's April April 8th Wednesday, two weeks from today. Yep. We're kind of getting this down. Same time. You know, some of us have to work, right? No, I'm sorry. Okay. It's all work. Thank you all for the only thing about retirement, Seth, is that you don't get paid for. I believe that. Wait a minute. Your schedule I don't have to set meetings at, you know, 8 in the morning.