City Council - Regular Meeting

we'd like to call to order our pleasant growth city council meeting on this day tuesday august 18 2026 we'd like to welcome all council members present i'm mayor jensen all those who are joining us in person and online i've asked our rec director megan zollinger to give our pledge of allegiance our opening marks will be by council member phillips

liberty and justice. Our Father in heaven, we are so grateful for this opportunity that we have to gather and meet as a city council and to hear the thoughts and comments from our community. We're grateful for this amazing city that we live in and for the volunteers as well as the staff that work diligently to protect us as well as to serve us. especially thankful for the presentation we had earlier in the work session from SHARE and to see the wonderful service that they provide and that our community benefits from. We're grateful for the hearts of the people that live here and pray that you'll continue to watch over us and guide us. We say this in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.

Okay, Scott, we're going to change a little bit our agenda tonight. So if you flip over to the other page here, we're going to take care of the first part of 11A, the public hearing. Then we're going to move up to number 99 a to consider Resolution 2026. Then we're going to move to the property tax impact statement that Denise has been looking forward to. And then we're going to get right back to the other part of 11 a and we're just going to call that

That's the resolution part of 11A.

Correct, the passing of the adopting of it.

Yep.

So with that, I need a motion to approve tonight's agenda as I stated it. Mayor, with those amendments, I would move to approve tonight's agenda. Thank you. Motion by Council Member Rogers. Do I have a second? Second. Second by Council Member Anderson. All those in favor?

Aye.

That's okay. Unanimous. Thank you. All right. This time we'll go ahead and open our open session to the public. If those who are in attendance would like to come forward, you'll have three minutes. We ask that you just state your name as you come forward. okay seeing no one is coming forward we'll go ahead and close our open session we'll move to uh item number six consent items as listed on the agenda i'll entertain a motion may i make a motion that we approve the consent items Okay, we have a motion by Council Member Anderson. Do I have a second? Second. Second by Council Member Rogers. All those in favor? Aye. Unanimous, thank you. At this time, we don't have any board, commission, or committee appointments or presentations. Now we're gonna move to our modified agenda. And we're going to move to item 11A, just the public hearing part, adopting the final budget and fiscal year beginning July 1st, 2026, ending July 30th, 2027 for Pleasant Grove City and providing for effective date.

I'm gonna talk a little bit about the certified tax rate and then I guess Denise will have you present on the budget before we do the public hearing. Are you okay to do that? Okay, so I'm just, in essence, the public hearing's gonna cover the certified rate and then also the final budget. As part of the in the packet in 9a is the resolution certifying the tax rate that we would Certify is point zero zero one zero two zero This is consistent with the rate that we had last week when we did our public hearing so By way of Truth in Taxation, we had our public hearing last week for the public to share their thoughts on the proposed tax rate, and then what we would do today is adopt that rate. After we adopt the rate, we'll have Denise go through our property tax impact statement, and then, in fact, we'll go over the final budget. She'll go over that now before the public hearing. And then once she's done with that, then we'll do public hearing. Then we'll have the resolution on the tax rate, the property tax impact statement, and then we'll have the resolution on the final budget. Is there any questions?

You can take a deep breath now.

Thank you. We'll turn it to Denise.

Thank you. All right, so at this time, we'll go ahead and open our public hearing for Oh, sorry Denise, I'm just trying to cut you out.

That's okay. So you're provided in the packet, didn't change much, there was one page. We were able to adopt the rate. We combined on page six, we combined the property taxes line and the property tax proposed increase. So that number is now 4,858,481 if the property tax is adopted just as a whole. So any other questions for me?

Council? Okay. All right, at this time then we'll go ahead and open the public hearing for item 11A. All right, seeing, knowing, coming forward, we'll go and close that public hearing for 11A. So now, Scott, we're gonna move back up to action items 9A, is that correct?

Yeah, so I already presented on that. This is just the adoption of the certified tax rate. It's in your packet. There's also a form called the PT-800, which is our official form, so that's in the packet as well, but that represents the tax rate at .001020.

Okay, so Council, for items ready for a vote, I'll entertain a motion for Resolution 2026-39.

Mayor, I'll make a motion that we adopt Resolution 2026-039, adopting the certified tax rate for the City of Pleasant Grove for the fiscal year of 2027.

All right, we have a motion by Council Member Anderson. Do I have a second? Second. Second by Council Member Lamone. And this will be a roll call vote. Council Member Anderson?

Yes.

Council Member Phillips?

Yes.

Council Member Rogers? Yes. Council Member Lamone?

Yes.

Council Member Williams? Yes. Unanimous, thank you. Okay, we're gonna go and move to your favorite part, Denise. Property tax impact statement.

I was gonna have it memorized, but I think I repeat it in my sleep probably.

We almost do.

Proposed property tax impact schedule, budget July 1st, 2026 to June 30th, 2027. Pleasant Grove City will consider an increase to its property tax rates from .09380 to .001020 to generate an additional $365,667. The following information is intended to provide decision makers in the public with an explanation of how the city's operations would be affected if the proposed property tax increase is adopted. Pleasant Grove City's current property tax rate, 0.000938. Pleasant Grove City's current property tax revenue, $4,178,247. Proposed revenue with tax change, $4,543,914. New property tax revenue to Pleasant Grove City, $365,667. Estimated increase to Pleasant Grove City's property tax revenue, 8.75%. Estimated annual increase to a primary residence of $601,623, $27.16. Estimated annual increase to a commercial valued at $601,623, $49.38. Affected department, police. Proposed budget, $6,541,602. Budget without tax change, $6,387,935. Budget change, $153,667. Impact of the tax increase, the police department will hire one new police officer and provide funding for reserve and retention. Affected department fire, proposed budget $3,722,747. Budget without tax change, $3,510,747. Budget change, $212,000. Impact of the tax increase, the fire department will hire two new firefighters and provide funding for outfitting. Total general fund change, $365,667. Thank you, Director.

Okay, with that said, we're gonna move now back to 11, I'll just call it 11AA to take care of the second part of it since we already had the public hearing on it. Do we need to have any further discussion or can we go ahead and? No, Denise presented the budget. Yeah, so I'll entertain a motion on Resolution 2026-40.

All right, Mayor, I'll make a motion that we adopt resolution 2026-040, adopting the final budget for the fiscal year beginning January 1st, 2026. July 1st. July. Yeah. What'd I say? January. January. July.

You're excited for the new year, okay. We have a motion by Councilmember Anderson. Do I have a second? I'll second. Second by Councilmember Phillips. This will be a roll call vote. Um, council member Rogers. Yes. Council member Lamone. Yes. Council member Williams. Yes. Council member Anderson. Yes. And council member Phillips. Yes. That's unanimous. Thank you. All right. With that taken care of, we're back to, uh, item 12, uh, Scott. Oh, I'll wait.

Is that possible? Well, that's up to the mayor.

Scott, we're going to move to item number 12 on Discovery Park. I think you're looking for direction on this.

Yeah, just to recap, we discussed this in our work session. We are at a decision-making point on whether we really want to transition two tennis courts into six pickleball courts out of Discovery Park. If the council gives the direction to move forward on this, then part of what we will continue to do is have a dialogue with the high school on the tennis courts. We'll continue to have a dialogue with the Bullock families, the two families out there on sound mitigation, but we would turn to the contractor and give them the thumbs up to get started.

Council, do you have any additional questions from our earlier discussions?

Just real quick, would this ever be noticed to the 300-foot radius around the thing? No.

I mean, it's not a zoning issue. It's not any of that.

So there would never be a trigger to make that happen?

Well, no. I mean, when we built veterans, when we built these courts initially, there's not a requirement for us to notify in that manner.

OK. Any other questions? So I think what Scott is asking for is just a direction of where we need to go. And I'll just start down with Council Member Lamone then.

I mean, I share some concerns that Steve had regarding if there's other bids, are we getting a fair price? I mean, I always want more pickle balls as far as like, I see people using it. I see families using it. I think it's a good resource for the care tax. I'm, but you know, I don't want to take away from if there's other projects, I just don't know of any. So I think it is a good use of the funding and money. And I think we're going to get six courts at a price that we probably normal would never see again because of the, given the situation, but I just want to make sure. regarding the concerns that Steve and Todd brought up regarding the contractor and what he's doing. So I'd be in favor of moving forward if those concerns are addressed.

Great. Council Member Phillips.

Yeah, I would generally agree. I think the demand for the courts is clear. I think Obviously the replacement of the surface helps make them more usable, better value there for the longterm use. But I do support the care tax use there and feel like even though we could make other adjustments like was referenced before, I think this is an appropriate use for the care tax funds and I'm in favor.

Okay, Council Member Anderson.

Yes, I agree with both Sid and Dustin. I think my only, so help me understand, where's access into the courts? It's on the north side? I think every court should have. The northwest side. So the north and the west.

Yeah, I mean, we'll put gates in different areas to access, similar to what the other six are like.

All right, yes, so I agree.

Council Member Rogers.

Yeah, my position hasn't changed. I don't think the 300,000 is necessary. I like tennis too. I think people like tennis in our neighborhoods as well. So I think that the additional 300K could be used in different ways where we could hopefully not have to do another property tax increase for a while. But I think I made my position well known, so.

Okay, thank you. Council Member Williams.

You know, I look at this at two different ways. Number one, these are two different costs, right? You've got a contractor cost of $130,000 for pickleball courts, and then you've got a lighting upgrade of 150,000 that probably needs to be redone or should be redone. So, you know, my position is based on the question of do pickleball courts inherently cost 10% more than tennis courts? I have a hard time believing that. I think there's probably more profit margin, there's probably more demand so that they can charge more. And my question would be, where is that 10% going? Who's that going to? Is that going to the general? Is that going to the subcontractor? We don't know. We don't know. So I have a problem just kind of signing off on $300,000 where, I don't know, right? So the lighting is on, you know, 150. That probably should be done if we do the pickleball court, so I'm not necessarily saying that we shouldn't do that, but all in all, I have some problems with how this was, the whole process of how this was being completed. And we've done it how many times? This is our?

Second. Third.

This will be the third, yeah.

You mean specifically for these courts?

that project, so. Yeah, the first.

Yeah, if you remember, they poured it, and then it was substandard work, so they tore it out, redid it, substandard work. It's gonna be a different subcontractor that's doing them this go around.

I mean, if they keep doing substandard work, and we keep paying them 10% more, That's not a bad business plan. So.

But is there a way to determine if that's happening with the 10%?

The 10% more is not going into their pocket. That is to cover the additional cost. Well, we hope. We hope. We know. We have a number. We have hard numbers from them. Okay. Okay.

So what we're saying is we're saying 10%, pickleball courts are 10% more fixed costs than tennis courts.

Yes. You have additional fencing.

The fencing's a huge part of it. There's more to pickleball courts as far as that is concerned than tennis courts.

You've got additional lines, nets, fencing?

Yeah.

The fencing's expensive.

I think the issue I'm hearing is you haven't seen or vetted the costs. and are just being asked to make the assumption that that's true.

Based upon this is the third time. So I mean, it's our job to be skeptical up here, right? I mean, if we just say yes on everything, that's not appropriate. So I'm asking questions based upon my feelings and if it is, it is. So if it's 10% more, 10% more.

All right, you have your direction, Scott. Thank you. Okay, all right. Mayor, can I approach first? Yes, yes.

I know you're not, but yeah.

All right, we have some that would like to address us. Rich, would you like to come forward? We'll give you the three minutes. How's that?

We need to open a session?

Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and open our open session again, and you may come forward. This is unique.

Thank you. I guess I missed my opportunity earlier. I got here two minutes after 6, and you had already gone past the open session.

We're being quick tonight, I guess.

And I debated whether I wanted to say anything tonight or not. But I feel like I really need to. My name is Rich Guernsey. I live at 840 Grove Creek Drive. How do I start? You were talking about taxes, and that's one of the things I wanted to come here to address. And I've only got three minutes, right? I think what you do with the small amount of money that you take in is amazing. My granddaughter, seven-year-old granddaughter, has started taking me to the Pleasant Grove pool every day. And that's a very nice facility. In the year and a half that we were gone on our mission, a pipe plant was turned into the Cook Family Park, which is amazing. You've got amazing facilities here. And I, for one, really appreciate what you do and appreciate living in Pleasant Grove. I spent two of my last three years on active duty in Baghdad in Iraq. We were doing a nation building function there, trying to get the Iraqis to come around like the Japanese and the Germans did after World War II. It didn't work. We're not doing that in Iran, I'm glad to see. But the point is, we would do a public works function like building a swimming pool, and there were thousands of kids that would try to get into this pool. It's hot in Iraq if you didn't know that. And the few people that use the Pleasant Grove Pool, and when I'm able to go there, it's really amazing. I have a small business. We've been operating for nine years. And in those nine years, we paid nearly a half a million dollars in taxes, sales tax and motor vehicle rental tax. And I don't know how much of that comes to the city, but I know a good chunk of it does. And I will tell you that I would be glad to pay twice as much for the privilege, sorry, of living in Pleasant Grove. I know you guys have a thankless job, and I appreciate everything you do. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you.

Okay. All right, it's time to go ahead and close our open session again. And I think, again, thank you. Thank you for your comments. It's much appreciated. I think, Scott, do you wanna cover September 1st meeting?

Yeah, just a couple things. We have our stormwater management plan that we're required each year to update and get in front of the city council. There is our downtown master plan, which has been through the planning commission, now will be presented to the city council. That will also have a public hearing associated with that. And then we have a vicinity plan amendment for some property up north where there's a church that wants to put in, I believe, a stake center. And because of that, they have to change the roads in the vicinity. So there'll be a public hearing associated with that as well.

Okay, great, okay, all right.

Mayor, can I just ask a question? Yes, you may. So Scott, I don't know how appropriate it would be, but I think for the downtown plan, Daniel, I don't know, how many times have we noticed out like a general public, interaction with the plan, because I'd really like to make sure that everyone in the community who wants to has a chance to see that plan in the form that we're going to present it. And I know that, you know, the Planning Commission probably had an availability for public comment or things like that, but I'm just hoping I really want that plan to be accessible to the residents so they can come and see kind of what this last year's process has developed into. Yeah, I think we have a schedule for that.

Daniel, can you address that? Yeah, no, come on up.

Are you thinking kind of like the open house like we did?

Yeah, I hate to be that guy, but I'd love to have another open house on it.

Well, there is going to be a general public comment period, but Daniel can address when that is.

Thank you so much. Council, Mayor, Mayor, Council. So in order to come to this plan, let's think about what this plan is. This plan is, of course, we reach out to the public in general, but we reach out to public in general to receive what they're, favorite things are, what are their ideas that they have, what are their input that they may have. We met with the property owners, with the business owners, and with interest group. The historic commission was part of this since day one. Some of you guys were part of the meetings as well, so everybody has had a chance to give input. But at the end of the day, What this plan is is a recommendation from the consultants. So what we did is we hired a consortium of consultants, included engineers, planners, architects, people that work with our general plan as well were part of this. And what they did is they write their recommendations. So this plan is a list of recommendations from them. They receive, of course they receive the input, but at the end of the day, this is a plan or a list of recommendations from the professionals to us. Now, this is a general plan. This is a master plan, not a general plan. It's a master plan. okay doesn't contain a specifics on how that specifics of how to approach that um that recommendation it's just a recommendation list of recommendations okay uh the whole process was announced it's online it's in your website you can go right there click on it and there's that history of what we did how we did it exactly is there we can post the plan right there i think the plan is right there i haven't checked that but the plan is right there But again, the consultants that we hire, we're open to receive all the information and now it's time for them to produce a document or something like that. We will for sure post it. Actually, I presented to Planning Commission last time and the vote was six to one in favor of adopting the master plan that we have. I know it's a thick document. It will take probably a couple hours to read it. So in order for me to send it to you guys, instead of sending it on the package, Next week, I probably posted, put a link, similar how I send you guys a draft that I posted and put a link right there so you guys can go and access it. And so you guys have more time to take a look at it, okay, at the final draft. Now, again, this is a list of recommendations from the professionals that we hired they can give us. They listen, they absorb all the information. Based on that, they produce that document. Okay, but I can post the link on, I think it's in there in the website. Every single step that it was taking to arrive to that plan is posted there. The documentation is posted there. I actually call the history of the downtown plan and the history of the process of the downtown plan, but I can for sure put it there and make sure that it's there for everybody to see.

I'm actually excited about it. And I think that people in our city would be really excited about some of the ideas that are presented in that plan. So I just want to make sure that like the public are able to see some of the cool things that Pleasant Grove over years is maybe gonna be focusing on as far as like improving the downtown area. I think it's great, but I think when we have buy-in from residents in general and then from business owners, and I think it's exciting to have these recommendations where we can actually as a council now give direction to accomplish some of these recommendations. I think it's great. So I guess my point is I just really want the public to know about it and see it and kind of get excited. And whether that's an open house or something just to bring people in to kind of show them like, hey, these are some of the things that you might be able to look forward to in the coming years could get people excited about kind of downtown revitalization.

Thank you, for public in general, I think we posted on our website and it's right there and people can go and access it and read it. But we have had, personally, I spent multiple hours with the specific groups. I attended the historic commission meeting. I put the plan over there on the table. We went item by item and regarding some questions of the plan. Now, like you're saying, it's very important to get buy-in from the, I will say the most important players in here are property owners and business owners. The reason why is because we can have a fantastic plan, great recommendations, but if the property owners and the business owners don't buy into it or don't work with us on it, then it's not gonna get us anywhere. And just in regards to that, we met with property owners and business owners multiple times one to one. With the public in general, it's a different situation, right? I mean, but we still made it available for everyone.

I think what I'm sorry what I'm hearing councilmember Rogers say is They're giving us the recommendations the council is going to take a look at that and say we're good with the recommendations But I think you want to communicate it to the public what those recommendations are correct You could have a new house or through some sort of as opposed to just throwing it online We have a meeting where they can come in we can answer questions and have that conversation

You could do it the day before, you could do it Monday, you could do five to seven, I don't know.

I'd say the council, because what you're getting is recommendations from the consultants. So you're gonna take a look at the recommendations and say, yes, we like this or whatever. And then once you say, we're good with this, then what I'm hearing is, then we present that to the public so they have an opportunity to take a look.

Does that work, Steve? Or do you want to do something beforehand?

Can I ask a question, though, maybe before that? Because, I mean, it's a large document. There's lots of aspects to it. And I had a one-on-one. I'm sure a lot of us maybe have had one-on-ones with the Historical Preservation Commission and got their feedback and shared with us. And you mentioned it was a six to one vote in the Planning Commission. So there was maybe some degree of opposition there. But as I see this, and this is where I just want some guidance and correction if I'm wrong, but as I see this, it's recommendations from the consultants, the professionals, the architects, the planners. And maybe there's... 98% of the stuff that I really like and would be very much in favor of, but maybe there's 2% that I'm not in favor of. A vote in favor doesn't necessarily, we do it all exactly as the recommended consultants are saying we should do, right? I mean, it's more general guidance that we would over years implement, I guess. Does that make sense? Am I interpreting this right?

Yeah, I think the plan is pretty, it's generalized. And how we go about actually doing the projects will come up over years and when funding's available. But what I like is the plan has a lot of nice like graphics and ideas and brings in a lot of different ideas from other downtowns. And I mean, The county gave us 100 grand essentially to pay to these consultants and it produced something better than I thought it would, to be honest, and more usable than I thought it would, but not locking us into really anything. That's the key that I'm trying to say. That's correct.

Sorry, can I take just a couple more minutes?

No, no, go ahead.

The example that I always said, and it's a rough example, but I always like to explain it this way, is when I went to the doctor, and the goal was to have better health. And the doctor told me, well, there's a couple things you gotta do. You gotta rest better, you gotta eat better, and then you have to Yeah, eat better, rest better. Exercise. Exercise better, correct, thank you. And exercise better. I've had the same conversation, we're good.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We all get that. We all went to the same doctor. So that's what the general plan, it says. So it identifies, you gotta sleep better, eat better in these ways, okay? exactly how many hours I have to sleep, what time I time to go to bed, what time I need to wake up, how many carbs I need to eat, how much protein I have to eat. That's not in this general plan. In this general plan, it's just a big recommendation. That produces code. So when someone comes with a set of plans to me and put them on my table and says, hey Daniel, we'd like to build this, I'm not gonna look at the general plan, I'm gonna look at the code that comes from that general plan. Now we have the goals, the ideas, the vision where we wanna go, and then there's way more work to do after that. So it's not very specific, as you say, Councilor Rogers, purposely it's not as specific, purposely, because he's telling us where to go. Now, Again, I was talking to Councilor Roisner, this is a great tool, for example, in our meetings in February, when we have a retreat once, that instead of saying, hey, Daniel, we would like to have the downtown more vibrant, we once we have that documents is then we like to focus this year on 6.2 4.3 3.1 and then based on that with the specific goals or specific purposes specific recommendations then start drafting code start getting there so that's how this document is something just to keep in mind because of course we can disagree or something like that and some of those are again recommendations doesn't mean that we have to apply exactly those things into the plan if we accept it or we reject the plan, whatever it is, and then based on that, then there's clear direction or where to go from there.

Well, the reason why I asked the question is the feedback that I had from the, there's one individual from the historical commission and we started talking and I was trying to ask questions just to get their perspective and then it came out really clear and this person used the word we as though they were representing the voice of the entire commission but I don't know that that's the case because I only spoke to one person and they said, we are against this plan. And then I started asking more detail about kind of what part of it, what do you mean, whatever. And it became clear to me that their opposition represented a very small part of what was in the plan. And so I want to make sure that we could move forward with it if we like the overall general plan while still respecting the ideas that there's maybe certain parts of it that maybe Yeah, totally.

I mean, that's, again, where you guys the tool to use to give direction. Now, here's a clear example of how, because there's public input. Every general plan is going to be like that. But here's a clear idea of what happened. I received the same document. I studied the same document. I spent hours with the consultants going over the same document, step by step, item by item. And for example, there's one item that says, we fully opposed to this. We as the historic preservation. Then during the public hearing, members of the preservation committee stood up right here and say, we love that idea. So I have it right there on record. Even within groups, it's difficult to make sure that every single thing is met. But that's why it's general. It's not code. It's a general plan.

I think the confusion is that Steve and I have been on this since the beginning, and I think the confusion is when we start talking about general plan, I think all of us start thinking about, oh, this is our general plan, right? This is the general plan of the city, and this is the general plan of downtown, and this is how we're, and no, I'm opposed to it, and this is just a summary of ideas that a consultant put together that said, hey, This may work given all of the circumstances that we've researched. Not a plan, not a general plan, not concrete, not... Not a set of rules. Not a set of rules in any way. These are just some ideas that a consultant has put together.

Thank you.

Thank you, Daniel.

That's the name. We call them a master plan, but it's not a set of rules.

While you're up here, do you have anything else? Any new restaurants or anything?

More than that. Not that I know of, but as soon as I know you guys know, I will for sure let you guys know.

Longhorn is coming out of the ground. They're framing.

yeah i mean there's a lot of work uh being done and there's a lot of the restaurants that we announced in the past it's it's they're making progress there's not a single one that i can tell you hey this one is definitely not going to happen but tropical smoothie is has been out for a long time because there's still a sign there okay can we get that sign removed because i think it's confusing to residents what's that

Well, I know, but we can still ask them to remove the sign if they're not coming, because residents have been wondering why they're not coming for three years.

Does Tropical Smoothie own that land, or is there just the person who is selling the land?

I'm not saying we go remove it ourselves, but I'm asking if we can contact them and have them remove it, because it's confusing.

I can reach out to them, but this is... Popeye's chicken all over again, right? And that's part of the process when they...

It's iceberg all over again. There you go. But iceberg came.

Yeah, the tropical smoothie still owns the land, right?

Yeah, I mean... But could they be coming?

Sure. Sure. They own the land. It's... I... Nobody in community development knows exactly for sure once they tell us yes, but we don't know until we actually have a certificate of occupancy permit. I mean, they can tell us, they consider it, they tell us. I mean, even until today, haven't heard people from Popeye saying like, we're not gonna go. You know, they submit the plans, they're already right there and that's what the goal is. Maybe what we can think about it is like, once the building is started getting done, someone's gonna occupy the building. So once the construction start going and then we know who the applicant is, then there's some, that's when I should feel more comfortable saying it. But the ones that are under construction, we already know those. Yeah. Okay, thank you. My pleasure, man.

Chief Brown, do you have anything for us tonight?

um other than the briefing that you guys got that was just what's going on the police department but i did want to uh stand and i just say um i'm i'm glad this process of the budget is kind of crossing the finish line it's been it's been a long time and uh part of me um i mean i'm a pretty conservative guy when it comes to spending money i try to be so this has been a long time in the works but I will tell you that for me and Chief Engelman, it gives us a little bit of confidence that we're providing tools necessary for our people to serve the citizens. And I've appreciated the process that allows you to do your job to scrutinize every angle of this. And when you're talking about tax increase, I don't like tax increase. My dad's 89 on a fixed income. He don't like them. So we're very judicious in what we ask for and all that that we need, but society's presenting some challenges that didn't exist a while ago. And we want to make sure we're providing our officers with every chance to get to serve the citizens and then still go home at the end of the evening. And manpower sometimes is a key to that. So from the police department, I think the fire department, we're very appreciative and grateful for the process that has taken place. Back when I was talking to Scott, back in January, February, when we started, what our needs and wishes were, and the council, since I've been here in three and a half years, going on four years now, we have been the benefactors of some great tools to enhance our abilities to serve the citizens. And flock plate readers is another one, and that's a great tool, and there's a lot of misinformation. I don't have the time nor the manpower to track where the citizens go, and I don't care where they go. But when I need to solve a crime, it's an important tool. And other than that, we don't look at it. But having said that, with the budget, thanks to all of you for doing your role to serve the people you serve and for the city administration and those that have... carried on what our requests have been and when we're appreciative of that and In our officers are appreciative of that. So thank you to all of you and I'm glad this is crossing the finish line and now we'll move on to pickleball courts is something that's a whole lot funner than manpower and police and fire but but It's a grueling process and sometimes I squirm in my chair watching everybody else when the temperature rises a little bit, because I'm thinking like, man, you caused this by asking for people. So I think we needed it and I'm glad we got it. And we just want to serve. This is as best we can. I don't want them waiting an hour for an officer to come when you need them now. And some cities get to be that way. I don't want that to be a, so thanks to you. And, um, but please work carries on a little bit of everything. And sometimes a whole lot of nothing. It's a little bit of everything that concerns me. Um, but we're doing good. We're going to hire a couple more people and, uh, we're going to move forward and, and just serve. And so we're going to do, do you have any questions for me?

Okay. Thank you, chief. Megan, do you have anything else?

Just an update on the Wibbit. We had some emails going back and forth. We've been through a couple of rounds of trying to figure out options for the Wibbit. Sean has finally been in contact with a company that is working to replace the pieces that are broken, because there's just a couple pieces that are broken versus the entire thing is. We're still in the works on that, so trying to make sure that gets up and running so that is in its process as well. So I'll keep you posted on what those updates are. And then I just, you know, as I was sitting back there, I don't know, maybe this is, hopefully this is appropriate for this meeting, but I just, we've had kind of a crazy time in the rec center. There's been a lot going on, some changes happening. trying to be more efficient, trying to improve culture, trying to do all the things. But then as I sit back here, I was just thinking through Dion and his team were super helpful in getting a project done at the rec center. We now have new sound boards in the gyms. So if you come by, they've got mountains on them and they look really beautiful. So we're excited to have those as we head into the basketball season. So I'm super proud of who I work with. and my team and who the people are here in PG. I mean, watching the SHARE program and obviously all the other things that are going on at the Rec Center, FunShine's about to start, flag football's starting, soccer's starting, cross country, all these things. The pool's about to be done for the summer season and we've actually had a very smooth summer as far as the pool goes. Just pretty proud of PG City and who we are as a city and being able to work here and be a part of this team. I don't know. I mean, sure, we've got lots of things to work on and we can do a lot at the rec center and we'll continue to do what we can to improve, but I don't know. I'm feeling grateful and proud of who we are today. So I just thank you to you and your support. Thank you to the team back here. I mean, it takes all of us. We're not just the rec department doing it on our own. We use all the other departments to help us make things happen. So thank you to everybody and we're awesome, so.

Thank you, Megan.

Thank you.

Sorry, I have a question. Yeah, any questions? Sorry. Well, and a lot of that is due to your leadership at the rec center and the adaptive program and all the, I mean, it's changed dramatically since you've been there. So I really, really appreciate you.

Thank you. Satine.

Okay, about the pool, because I'm really passionate about the pool. I grew up there. Yes. And I spent years taking my kids there.

Yeah.

So I'm really passionate about having families enjoy summers there. For sure. Because I did for many, many years as a youth and then as a mom.

Yeah.

So when something like the Weber or that pool toy goes down, like if we could be notified as a council, kind of like what's happened and then the repair time. And I guess we just probably need to process in place because that to me is a big deal. Our pool doesn't have a lot of amenities that other pools do as far as like lazy river. We don't have a, you know, we have a couple of water slides, but I mean, compared to others, we don't have some of the amenities. So when those big amenities at the pool are out of, repair for weeks, that to me is a huge concern and it's a priority. And if we need more funding, if we need to allocate some of the care money to replace those. I, as a council member, want to be able to help with that. I don't want you guys to be scared to come and ask. But for me to have that wibbit, and then at the same time, the other pool toy, which I know got repaired, had already been down, the wibbit's now going on a month. And I don't know why they're just being contacted now, but to me, that's a big deal. And there's been so many amazing upgrades to the pool that I want to continue that. it's awesome, I just don't want people, because what happens is when repairs like that happen, they might go somewhere else, and I don't want them to. I want them to stay at Pleasant Grove. So I don't know if that means more involvement from you, because I know you're so busy at the rec, and so I know that's hard to ask you, but I know you weren't aware of a couple of these until we brought it to your attention. And really, you shouldn't have to be, because there's already a director, but I don't know what that looks like as a repair or improvement process moving forward, But to me, it's a big enough deal to where, I don't know, like you said, you're more involved, we're notified, there's a better process in place because we only have three months of the year where that pool is getting used. And I wanna see it packed every day. But I know people will start leaving when big things like that are out of commission. And we don't have a date and we don't know when, and then we're going on a month. And at this point, it's probably a moot point because the pool is almost closed. But it's just, it's a big deal to me.

We did, and I can't remember, it's probably been about two or three weeks ago, Wendy, they were working through Wendy through insurance to see if insurance would replace it if it was under warranty and that sort of thing. So they were working through a couple processes. To your point, we can probably be a little bit better in communicating that those are in the works, to your point on that. And I know they had gotten ahold of the original, well, they were trying to get ahold of the original company and weren't getting any response back. And they've finally now found the right group to work through. So I think it just took a little bit of time to find the right people. But yeah, we can work on what that looks like. And I've talked to both Scott and Denise about maybe what that looks like. We'll work on pricing for whether it's a brand new one or it's just a couple of pieces that we get replaced. But yes, we'll see what we can do to improve that process a little bit, so yeah. I appreciate that. Thanks, Megan. Any other questions for me?

Nope. Thank you.

Awesome. Thank you.

Dion, do you have anything? Okay. Thank you.

Dion, thanks for your help on that sod problem down at the rodeo grounds. I think it's okay. I haven't heard anything.

At the rodeo grounds?

Just at the... Shannon Fields.

Shannon Fields.

Well, it's actually our head start program since we're down there. We had some grass problems, but Dion was right on it.

Yeah, so it is greening up, but it's a little thin.

So we're going to have a plan to finish that out this fall once the temperatures cool down a little bit.

So it'll be continued to be worked on.

Sounds great.

Okay. Chief Ingemann.

Mayor, council.

probably kind of say the same with what Chief Brown said, kind of did what Chief Brown said, kind of echo his same thoughts where we appreciate all your help, all your support, not easy decisions to have to make. I've been here for like 20 years, just over 20 years. So I remember going through the whole process, trying to get the public safety building built and all that fun stuff. So not easy, not fun stuff. You know, I think with Chief Brown and me, I mean, You know, our main deal is we want to really have the proper things to provide a quick and efficient and some of the best services that we can. So when we ask for stuff, I think it's, you know, it's fairly needed. I think we run a pretty tight ship with what we have and how we do it. So I appreciate your help and all your support, but that's, you know, that's tough decisions. And we thank you for that. So with our wildland crew got home, a couple nights ago. They made it back safe from Oregon. They spent a couple weeks up there. Did a lot of traveling and helping out up there. They were actually on one fire by themselves for a little while. They had no resources. And so they were the only unit fighting the one wildland fire up there. So they did good, they did great. So we got them back to a little rehab, do a little repairs in the vehicle and see what happens. Maybe get shipped out in another week or so and see what happens. But they're doing good. Picked up a few new people. get going. So we've got a lot of young people right now in our department. This last, we probably have half my department's probably got like four years or less. So we'll be doing a lot of training, a lot of stuff getting out there. We got guys in camp right now and so we'll be trying to keep that up and keep that rolling with everybody. So you probably see a lot of stuff going on with just people out doing stuff and keeping busy. This next, oh, on September 11th, kind of the memorial on the 4911 for the 25th anniversary the fire association has decided they want to do a pickleball tournament. So you'll get some more stuff out here in just a little bit. But it's going to be at the, I think, the Veterans Park up there. And it's $50 for a team, if I remember right. And they got some really cool little shields they made, like our helmet shields for the winners and stuff, for that stuff. But it's kind of the first time they want to try this. And so kind of watch out for that. We'll try to get out more on social media and kind of let you guys know what's going on. But just kind of... having fun, keeping busy, and then you're done. So any questions or?

Okay. No? Thank you, Chair. Thanks. All right, am I missing anyone back there? All right, Neil, you can come forward.

I was fine.

Oh, you were, I know.

I stayed hidden one time because someone was sitting right there and I hunkered down and Mayor Fugle forgot about me. It was one of the best council meetings I've had. You've never hunkered down. Saved us a good 20 minutes that day. Well, I wanted to start by saying, Todd, you'd mentioned scrutinize, that's your job. That's awesome, and I might like it a little too much, because if I can't defend what I bring in front of you, I have a problem, and I think that's true for all the directors. So, scrutinize, call, ask, whatever, and if we can't defend it, that's on us, but just know that we're fine with it, I'm fine with it. but we're happy to do that. I just also wanted to let you know the kind of people you work for, or who work for you as residents, basically, not even city council, but I don't know, it was a week ago, Thursday or so, we had some microburst rainstorms come through. I don't know if you remember that, or super isolated, super localized rainstorms, and those are kind of the scariest, because we don't design for that level of rainstorm. We designed for lighter rain that can come, but when those ultra-gushers come, it can be scary for our storm rain system. And prior in that day, I had reached out to Robbie and said, Robbie, let's get some sandbags ready, let's make sure they're super handy right at the mouth of the entrance there at the pipe plant. Next thing you know he sends me a picture of a couple pallets of sandbags ready to go and we're done. Then I go home and it's 6.30 and I get home and the rain starts to come pretty heavily and my wife has gotten used to date night being us driving around the city seeing if we're having problems. And I get a phone call while I'm driving down the road from Rhea. Rhea says, hey, I'm still at the office. Do you want me to stay here so I can take calls if needed? And I said, no, you go home. It looks isolated. And I went through some crazy rain that came down. But she was ready to say, I'm here to stay. I said, no, dispatch can handle it. And we got on-call guys. And I made sure we knew who on-call was. And they were ready to go. And your city... went through the rainstorms as far as I know without any issues. That wouldn't have been the case not that long ago, and it still can happen who knows when because we don't design for those level of rainstorms. There was one phone call I didn't make that I almost always make when I look up and I see rain in Battle Creek, and that is to Drew Hoffman to say, what does Battle Creek turbidity meter look like? We installed a turbidity meter in Battle Creek for our springs and we also installed almost four years ago an automatic turnout when that turbidity meter if it goes up and gets too high.

What is the turbidity meter measure?

measures cloudiness of water. And so if our springs show up cloudy, that means we might have a problem. Well, I didn't even make the call because I have made that call for nearly four years. And Drew says, Neil, don't worry. It's all working properly. I can see it. It's set to automatic, well below any concern to turn out and automatically not have a problem. And so Those are the types of securities that we have and that we all have and all share as residents that your public works staff's ready to go, your public works staff's prepared. And not only are they prepared, but they're willing to just do what's needed to take care of the city. And that holds true every day of the year. You will never have to worry if those guys wake up and snowplow. I did that for the first few years. I would send the text, or don't worry, we're out, and okay. I don't do that anymore. They don't even tell me about water leaks. Well, Drew does, but they don't tell me that they're headed out. What they do is tell me that they're wrapping up. It is such a great process for these guys. It's not awesome to do that, but they have it down and they're competent. And with your support to purchase equipment, hire employees, and provide for our residents, I would dare say we're one of the most efficient operated public works departments in the nation. And cities for that matter so kudos to you guys for for seeing those needs and I appreciate that and I appreciate our staff By way of update we've started mahogany drive That was a project that needed a new water main and with that project we put a new road down. Just about wrapped up with 680 North and 800 North. Been a dusty mess for seven months for those guys. Big project, brand new water mains all the way to the meter. Repaired some sidewalk here and there and brand new asphalt. When you start looking at the work that comes out of our group as well, it's astounding. We just held the pre-construction, pre-proposal meeting for the library project and look like we'll get some interest there. We'll review those and bring that information back to you. And we held a pre-proposal conference for hiring an engineer on Center Street and 600 West to start getting into the fine details of that project. We still have weekly meetings related to right of way on 4000 North for the 4000 North PG Cedar Hills project. We're super hopeful we can wrap that up and move forward. And then we'll be planning some other projects to enhance and improve the infrastructure in our city. The 10-year plan that I presented to you, I think in March or so, is still what we follow. And in fact, we've started chipping away at that. And so some of those projects that are year one and priority one are on that list and are being completed as we speak. So that's my update. Wondering if you have any questions.

When you say Mahogany Ridge, just below Grove Creek, right?

Mahogany Drive from 1100 North, 700 North.

Okay, so that area kind of right up just below.

It's further.

It's underneath the canal. Underneath the canal. We have two Mahogany's. One's kind of the nicer houses up top. The other one's nice houses as well, but it's below the canal.

You're referring to the one down by the canal? Yes. Okay.

Below the canal.

Gotcha.

1100 North, 700 North. It's in bad shape. I'm not gonna stand here and say all of our roads are in perfect shape. What I'm gonna stand here and say is our roads have improved tremendously and dramatically, and almost every road treatment moving forward requires infrastructure with it. So I can't go in and just fix a road. I need to fix the infrastructure with that.

And I love that we're doing that to save money and time. And I love that we're doing that. So that's smart.

OK.

Thank you. Denise, would you like to read your statement one more time or not?

No. I'm .

OK. Wendy, do you have anything for us? Sierra?

Just that our youth council applications are closing on the 30th. We've had some really great applications so far, but if you know anyone else, we highly encourage them to apply.

Great. Thank you for putting that together.

And has that been on our social media to get the word out? Yes, we've done some posts and then as well, the youth council has an Instagram. If you guys are interested in following that, it's just PG Youth Council and the applications on there as well.

Yeah. Okay. Okay. Well, with that said, we're going to move to you, Council Member Lamont. Do you have anything?

No, just thank you to our staff. And I mean, it's been a long, hot summer, and hopefully we're nearing the end. But I know that with the toll that takes on public works and parks, our pool, I mean, everyone is affected. I think probably a little more in the summer. It's a cook park. I mean, it's awesome, but it's a lot of work for our staff. And so just thank you to everyone with these temperatures and it's been an unusual summer. I mean, I lived here my whole life and I don't think it's ever been this consistently just hot and dry and a little bit miserable.

Well, it started in January.

It did, yeah. That was true. So not a lot of relief. So thank you for the employees who are out there in the heat and, like I said, trying to keep up the services for our residents. So thank you. And, Chief, I am playing in the tournament on 9-11. So I already signed up.

Look at that. Are you going to fit the championship belt for her already?

I want an extra large badge.

You're going to be impressed with the medals. I mean, they're pretty epic.

She should have to wear, like, fireman's garb. Yeah.

A turnout. I'll turn out. She should play with me. That'll handicap her. That's true. That'd be worse.

All those in favor?

In a turnout.

Yeah. Okay. Councilman Phillips, do you have anything?

Yeah, I'll just say, kind of reiterate from my opening remarks, but I had the opportunity to participate in the historical walk yesterday and was super impressed. Not only did we have probably eight to 10 of the members of the historical commission that were there to greet people and answer questions and lead the walks on a hot day to your point. I mean, it was 90 degrees plus, but it was super intriguing and interesting. And to have, I mean, a community is made up of the people who are willing to give and to serve there. And I just wanna publicly appreciate what they were doing and their willingness to be there for us. And then also, Megan, just super impressed with the presentation in the work session of the SHARE program, and to recognize that during this whole discussion for the last few months of potential tax increase and the importance of recognizing where our funds go and using our funds prudently. And part of the discussion is if we just took funds from other programs to fund the police and fire, which everybody acknowledges is incredibly important, it would be some of these programs that got cut. And I am emphatically in favor of maintaining programs like this that would be first on the block if we chose not to support our services the way that we did. These are the people that add so much value to our community, and we need to be there to serve them, so thank you for that, and I stand firm in favor of continuing that.

Great, thank you. Councilmember Anderson, do you have anything?

Yes, just a couple things and I love the comments that have been made. I just wanna, I wanna thank staff as well. I know that's the overriding theme. But I also love this process. And I learn every single year how much I love this process. I know that every director needed something. I know that every director needed manpower, needed more money. I love the process that happens before we see it, where directors plead for, I mean, we see some of the asks, but I know that there's a lot of asks. after the retreat, which we lovingly call the retreat. God's favorite, yeah. After... I'd like to have a retreat. Yes.

This is what we do. Yes.

This is not a spa day. The chiefs presented facts, stats, needs. And I don't think there wasn't one of us that didn't nod our heads at that point and say, yep, this is what we need. They need men. They need good men and women. and to serve us. And so again, after this entire process, which we start in January, and here we are in August passing this budget that has been vetted, it has been line item, line item, line item, And I scrutinized and I love what staff has done. And I am just very grateful for people who serve. And I know everybody minds that dollar, that taxed dollar. And I'm just grateful for this process.

Council Member Rogers, do you have anything?

yeah no i i want to just echo what's been said i also just had the thought with all of our departments and uh that when we give money to our departments they they give it back to us in great results always and so like megan the adaptive programs that we've seen kind of blossom and flourish Those are things that aren't being done, not only in other cities, but not like other counties, other states. We're kind of funding programs that are filling gaps that have existed for years. And I just I just, that's one thing that I noticed with Public Works. We fund roads, we find ways to get money, and we get great results and projects that are done on time, under budget, and in a way that's just, that we need. Same thing with parks, of course our police and our fire and our economic development. And I just feel like, I hope that our citizens are paying attention because not every city is enjoying this level of service for the dollar that is spent. And so I'm very, grateful that we have such talented people who work for the city and those are just a couple of the program the other thing in the library i always go back to our tutoring programs and our literacy center because that's another thing that fills a gap that is not filled anywhere else and i think that when we give the funding yes we're going to scrutinize it yes we're going to make sure that it's responsible, but then we can always count on great results coming back. And I think that's unique. And I think that we're very lucky to have talented people who care about the city who work for us. So I really do appreciate that. I had the chance to go to mayor's night out at the Ruth and That facility, again, something that is unique. I sat by somebody who turned around and they were chatting with me about how they used to go to the health center in Orem and just how different it is, how much of an upgrade the roof is from what it used to be. and how it puts on fantastic shows with fantastic talent. Now, I just I think that we're in kind of a renaissance era of Pleasant Grove, and I think it's great to have great people guiding and leading us. And and I think that, you know, the budget this year was heavily scrutinized and it's it's appropriate. We've spent hours going in it. And so just like Neil said, that directors feel like they need to be able to justify what they're asking for. I feel like with the process we've gone through, I am happy to justify the budget to any resident that wants to come chat with me because I feel like we did our job thoroughly up here. So, thanks, Mayor.

Thank you. Council Member Williams.

No, I appreciate that. I appreciate Steve's comments. I appreciate everybody's comments. You know, sometimes it, I don't know how it's perceived by staff. Sometimes it's perceived by me as when we ask questions, I never, ever, ever want it to appear that we don't trust, we don't support, we don't... I appreciate the work that went on before it brought here, it's brought here, right? And I wanna echo that statement that when we ask questions or when we have some concerns, those concerns aren't personal. This is a business and it's funded by our residents. And we're the stewards of that business of those residents. So it's as if any resident were here. And so I may be just talking to me, reinforcing my role here, but I want the staff to know that through this process, there's always been an appreciation, a trust, a sense of belonging, support complete complete and utter respect for your roles in your individual roles and that's why that's why this democratic republic process works so well is that we represent a group of citizens and and and and you represent a job of all of your employees and that's the process that really works in America. So just thank you and appreciate everything everybody's doing and continues to do for the residents of Pleasant Grove.

Thank you. I'll close with this. I meet with groups of people within our city, and last night I had the opportunity to meet with, it was actually in Steve's Hood, and it was about 30 people, citizens, and they're pretty well organized. They call themselves the, I don't know if they have an official name, Empty Nesters, but that's what they call themselves, but it was really interesting to hear, and they had some tough questions. about all of our departments. But I just want you to know in the end, every one of them had a positive comment about all of your departments and about what's going on in our city. And I think, Steve, you kind of hit it on the head there, is that our city is going through a transformation here a little bit, right? some amazing things happen in our city and these citizens like i said had really good questions but they also had really good comments about what's going on in our city and they're and they're happy what's going on with the direction of our city and so it pleased me to to not only answer their questions but to have these discussions with them and and and just like with richard earlier in his comments it's it's It brings a little bit of a smile and joy to me when we hear these positive comments because we, and as you heard all the council here talk, we know how hard you're working behind the scenes, and so thank you. And with that, I'll entertain a motion to adjourn tonight.

So moved, Mayor.

Okay, we have a motion by Council Member Rogers. We have a second. Second. Second by Council Member Anderson.