Township Committee - Regular Meeting

the regular meeting to order at 8.02. Okay. We're going to do a flag salute and a moment of silence.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

All attendees and participants agreed to conduct themselves in a manner appropriate for public gathering. Individual speakers should be advised that no right of privacy protects a person's public comments made in a public forum. Accordingly, all participants bear responsibility for their own statements and commentary. Correspondence. Resignation letter received from Laura Katronis, Administration Deputy Clerk, effective August 20th, 2026. Resignation letter received from Dave Rudisky, Recreation Coordinator, effective August 28, 2026. Proclamation, recognizing August 31, 2026 as International Overdose Awareness Day.

Proclamation, recognizing August 31, 2026 as International Overdose Awareness Day. Whereas the Township of Millstone does affirm and acknowledge the harm and hardship caused by overdose, and whereas the Township of Millstone recognizes the purpose of International Overdose Awareness Day as remembering loved ones lost to overdose and ending the stigma of drug-related deaths, and whereas the governing body of the Township of Millstone has declared the Township of Millstone a stigma-free community, and whereas local resources are available so no one needs to suffer alone or feel hopeless, and whereas the township of Millstone lines to prevent substance misuse exist to meet the needs for a comprehensive coordinated substance abuse program and whereas the township of Millstone resolves to play our part in reducing the toll of overdoses in our community and Whereas we affirm that the people affected by overdose are our sons and daughters our mothers and fathers our brothers and sisters and deserving of our love compassion and support Now, therefore, Al Farrow, Mayor of the Township of Millstone, along with the Township Committee, do hereby proclaim August 31st, 2026 as Overdose Awareness Day in the Township of Millstone and do commend this observance to all of our citizens.

Ordinances. Second reading. Ordinance 26-14. Ordinance accepting conservation easement for a portion of Block 38, Lot 4.01, located at 3 Preston Drive.

Explanatory statement. This ordinance accepts a conservation easement for a portion of Block 38, Lot 4.01. Affidavit of publication presented. I open up the public hearing at... 8.05. Okay close the public hearing at 8.06. Motion to adopt or table?

I'll make the motion to adopt.

I'll second. I'm going to do roll call vote. Committee person Zabrowski? Yes. Committee person Ziner? Yes. And committee person Davis? Yes. First reading ordinance 26-15, an ordinance amending chapter 35, land use and development regulations, section 2-2, specific definitions in section 35-4-1.3, prohibited uses of the revised general code of the Township of Millstone, County of Monmouth, and State of New Jersey to prohibit data centers and defined warehouses.

Explanatory statement. This ordinance amends Chapter 35, Land Use and Development Regulations, various sections to add definitions for data center, data center, micro-mini, and warehouse and distribution center. This ordinance additionally amends Chapter 35 to prohibit data centers and micro-mini data centers in all lands within Millstone Township. Motion to adopt or table?

I'll second it.

Roll call vote. Committee person Zabrowski? Yes. Committee person Ziner?

Yes.

Committee person Davis? Yes. Second reading and public hearing to be held on September 16, 2026 at 8 p.m. at the Millstone Township Meeting Room, 215 Millstone Road, Provineville, New Jersey. First reading, Ordinance 26-16, an ordinance amending Chapter 35, Land Use and Development Regulations, Article 7, Off-Street Parking and Loading. section 35-7-3.5 number of required spaces and article 5 zoning district regulations section 35-5-10.6 municipally sponsored affordable housing of the revised general ordinances of the township of millstone county of monmouth state of new jersey

EXPLANATORY STATEMENT. THIS ORDINANCE AMENDS CHAPTER 35 LAND USE AND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS VARIOUS SECTIONS TO CLARIFY THAT AGE RESTRICTED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT CAN PROVIDE FOR PARKING AT A RATIO OF 1.4 SPACES PER UNIT. This ordinance additionally amends the requirements for the municipally sponsored affordable housing site at Block 51, Lot 1, also known as the Allen House 3 site, to adjust certain bulk requirements to allow for the development of age-restricted affordable housing. Motion to adopt or approve?

I'll make the motion to approve. Or to adopt, sorry.

Roll call vote. Committee person Ziner. I mean, Zabrowski. Yes. Committee person, Ziner. Committee person, Davis. Yes. Second reading and public hearing to be held on September 16, 2026 at 8 p.m. at the Millstone Township Meeting Room, 215 Millstone Road, Carmineville, New Jersey. First reading, Ordinance 26-17, an ordinance amending Chapter 5 fees, Section 5-2... FEES FOR CHAPTER 2 ADMINISTRATION, PARAGRAPH C, RECREATION REGISTRATION OF THE REVISED GENERAL ORDINANCES OF THE TOWNSHIP OF MILLSTONE, COUNTY OF MONMOUTH, AND STATE OF NEW JERSEY.

EXPLANATORY STATEMENT. THIS ORDINANCE AMENDS THE RECREATION REGISTRATION FEES CONTAINED IN CHAPTER 5, SECTION 5-2, PARAGRAPH C OF THE REVISED GENERAL ORDINANCES OF THE TOWNSHIP OF MILLSTONE. MOTION TO ADOPT OR TABLE?

I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO ADOPT.

I'LL SECOND.

Roll call vote. Committee person Zabrowski? Yes. Committee person Ziner? No. Did we lose him? Jeff? Yes. Oh. Okay. So you say yes to the adoption of 2617. Okay. Committee person Davis? Yes. Okay. Second reading and public hearing to be held on September 2nd, 2026 at 8 p.m. at the Millstone Township Meeting Room, 215 Millstone Road, Provineville, New Jersey. Resolution consent resolutions, all matters listed under item consent agenda are considered routine by the township committee and will be enacted by one motion in the form listed below. There will be no separate discussion on these items. If discussion is desired of any item, that item will be considered separately. 26 dash one 67 payment of vouchers, August 19th, 2026. 26-168, resolution authorizing execution of a developer's agreement for 37 Burnt Tavern, LLC, Block 57, Lot 17.04, Site Plan Number PB21-16. 26-169 resolution authorizing the award of a non-fair and open contract for professional services conflict council 26-170 resolution authorizing execution of a shared service agreement for regional animal control services for 2027 2028 26-171 resolution authorizing further amendment to the township millstone's employee handbook entitled personnel policies and procedures manual 26-172 resolution appointing deputy tax assessor for the township of millstone 26-173 resolution authorizing award of a contract for emergency tree removal services on old noah hunt road on august 12 2026 motion to adopt or table i'll move to adopt i'll second it Roll call vote. Committee person Zabrowski. Yes. Committee person Ziner. Yes. Committee person Davis. Yes. Reports from various departments for July 2026. Tax collector $2,737,454.86. Clerk's report $408. Dog license $74.80. Municipal court $7,805.67. Recreation, $25,251.13. Construction, $37,006. Co of $4,142. The 2025 annual report from the Zoning Board of Adjustment and the 2026 interest revenue are included. Motion to file. I'll make it. I'll second. All in favor? Aye. Township committee minutes, regular meeting minutes, July 15th, 2026. And committee person Davis, you were absent.

Motion to adopt or table? I'll make a motion to adopt.

I'll second.

I'm going to do roll call. Committee person Ziner? Yes. Committee person Davis? Abstain. Committee person Zabrowski? Yes. Executive meeting minutes July 15, 2026. Again, committee person Davis was absent.

Motion to adopt or table? I'll make the motion to adopt.

I'll second. Roll call. Committee person Davis? Abstain. Committee person Zabrowski? Yes. Committee person Ziner? Yes. Application for a raffle license, Standard Bread Retirement Foundation RA358 off-premise merchandise raffle to be held on December 31st, 2026 at 353 Sweetman's Lane, Millstone Township.

Motion to approve or table?

I'll make a motion to approve.

Second. All in favor? Aye. Okay, now we're in liaison.

Millstone Day is coming up September 20th. Kevin has assured me we're going to have good weather that day. So we hope everybody comes out. It's usually a great day. The Environmental Commission along with the Shadery Commission and Ocean Open Space is sponsoring an Eyes of the Wild program. There will be three sessions where they're going to have animals to present for everyone to see and pet and On top of that the Master Gardeners will be there to do a presentation on composting. I think we're gonna have some composting bins and rain barrels for raffle prizes and I believe the Master Gardeners are also going to do a presentation on shrubbery and stuff that's deer resistant that they could recommend for planting in our area. So some of the things are coming up on Milston Day from those committees and we hope everybody can make it out there.

So I'll just expand. So last year we had really positive feedback. We had the Eyes of the Wild come out and do three shows for the kids and they brought like really nice exotic animals like wallabies and stuff. We had such positive feedback that the three commissions again this year are going to sponsor it. So the same gentleman that came last year is going to come out and do the same program. We're going to have six different animals than we had last year. So if you came out last year and saw it, there will be more stuff for you to see. Excellent.

Anything else for your reports?

No. Do you have anything, Jeff?

No, I don't. Okay.

New business?

Well, I don't know if it's new business or old business. After the storms in July, they've had a lot of wires and utility wires and stuff down. And, you know, JCP and L are pretty good about taking care of their stuff, but Optimum and Verizon have not been. So we actually reached out. them DPW canvassed the whole town and basically came up with 87 different spots throughout the town and this past week we had optimum spend two hours going driving through town pointing this stuff out some of them are tough to tell whether it's a Verizon or optimum Optimum goes by address, Verizon goes by poll, but Verizon, the shortest, they're going to come out with us within the next week as well, and we're going to have, you know, Bill Kane will take them for a tour and show them as well. So hopefully you'll start seeing some, you know, corrections on this, and if not, we'll stay after them. So we wrote it down by, you know, the zone, the street, poll numbers or addresses where we had it, and then it's actually... some check marks that we'll go back and monitor it to see if it's been removed, fixed, or done. So hopefully we'll get a correction.

Okay. Excellent. Old business? Anything? Okay. Comments from the days? Okay. Then we will open up the meeting to the public at? 818.

Tony Cacciotti, C-A-C-C-I-O-T-T-I, 9 Sherrill Lane, Millstone Township. Uh, council last month I was here, um, requesting that the council, uh, consider adopting an ordinance for unlicensed entities, uh, activity happening for unlicensed contractors. Um, I know, uh, committeeman Davis was not here. I don't know if you were brought up to speed. Um, shortly after that, I was asked to, um, bring in a copy, uh, to give to Kevin, which I did. for, I guess, review, maybe attorney review, construction department review, I wasn't sure. So I'm just here to follow up on the status of that request from a township resident.

So they were forwarded over, but I think the construction department basically says, you know, their attitude is the state already regulates this, that you're supposed to be licensed to be operating on these types of things. So I didn't seem to be going to... big push that we need to follow up on that at this time.

So that's a shame because when I was in construction prior to coming to this meeting, both construction official and zoning, um, or, uh, uh, the officer, um, Nick and John, um, both agreed that this is something, this is what they told me. So both agreed that this would be something that would make sense.

Um, follow up with them in the morning.

All right.

So how are we on the council request? It was, Can you restate what you're looking for again?

So there's a push in the state from multiple trade associations to have township ordinance to enforce a law that, Kevin is correct, there is a law that states any type of service work done in residential homes for residential customers, specific trades need to have specific licenses. A lot of what's going on in the state of New Jersey, a lot of people are doing that work without the proper licensing and getting away with it. It's a hard thing for the state to enforce because of the particular boards that oversee those licenses only meet once a month and they are inundated with complaints and violations that they just can't meet at a once a month meeting. So towns, so associations have come up with offering towns to pick up this, to create an ordinance where actually the town would receive the benefit of the fines and the possible taking of their vehicles and tools and sales of that. So the funds would go into the town instead of into state funds. So there are towns I know that other members of each association that are speaking to their towns like I am that are seriously taking a look at this.

Are these typically permit-required work?

Nope. It doesn't require permits. It just requires lifting up a toilet bowl and maybe changing a valve on the toilet bowl, for example, for plumbing. No handyman can do that, but no permit is required because it's like-for-like, but a licensed plumber must be the person changing that valve. If someone's changing the ballast of a light fixture, a licensed electrician must be doing that, and there's no permit required for like-for-like. Um, permits are a separate issue because some of these unlicensed entities would be doing jobs that would require permits. A big one is converting a bathtub to a shower stall. We see that in a lot of 55 over communities and the entire construction process does require a permit for that change of it's not like for like, um, but there's sometimes like our guys will look at it and

It'll act like it's the homeowner, you know, that they don't have a contractor on the application or whatever.

So, I mean, I could see how it could be enforceable from a permit perspective, but how would a municipality enforce it if there's no permit required?

Because it's a law. It's a state law.

No, but how would we even know about it?

Well, you're going to receive complaints from the license entities that we actually are policing our own trade. Most trades are policing their own trades. We don't compete with each other licensee. We compete with the non-license entity. A non-licensed entity performing work in any one of those particular trades is detrimental to that licensee and the type of charges that need to be charged and contracts and all types of forms, insurances and bonds and continuing education. It's an endless free fall when you're unlicensed and the stuff that you're getting away with.

Now, I know some towns require actually you become a licensed contractor in order to work with the town.

Dave, to interrupt you, Dave, a lot of towns have done away with that because that was like a mercantile thing. But if you're not a business in that town, just because you're performing business in that town, it became a gray area and most towns lost.

Okay, no, I've seen where, let's say... I'm a contractor here in Millstone, but I want to work in Jersey City. Jersey City might require that you become a licensed contractor. With that, you have to fill out some paperwork, pay a fee, provide your insurance, and that kind of thing.

That would definitely be the wrong term. That would be mercantile because once you're licensed, you're licensed in the entire state. So any one of the trades that require a license up in Newark, the boards up there that oversee those, like 250-something boards, you're licensed in the entire state. So if a town is asking a contractor to register with the town, that's more of a mercantile thing, and most towns have done away with that because its representation, you know.

Technically it's illegal.

Yeah, it's dual dipping. But I did present the ordinance. The hard copy is, you know, Kevin has it, I know. Mayor has had it in his email. I've been trying to work on this with you guys for quite a few months, but last month was the first time I came here.

I scanned it probably one day less than a month ago or something like that. I'll forward it back out to everybody.

So the contractor would put the complaint into the municipality, right? of somebody that's unlicensed working. So is it the municipality's job or would it be the contractor to, I mean, it still has to be reported to the state, right?

No, it would not be. So it's unfortunate for Millstone because most towns that have their own police department can go directly to the police because it's a crime. It's a fourth degree, I don't know what the low level of felony, but the fines meet the felony requirements and the actual charge I believe is a minor felony, but it's still an arrestable, chargeable offense. So it does become a little bit of a conundrum here in town because we would have to have the state troopers involved because that would probably be our best phone call to make because that person could be arrested, person or persons could be arrested right on site if they're caught performing any type of work without the license they require to have. That would be our best bet. It would be not so advantageous to call because I think we did have that conversation of who would go out and yes, he could deputize someone, Kevin could deputize someone or give someone extra power in the administrative office or the construction official or zoning official could go out and do that too. Any one of those people can enforce a law that's really not being policed but The towns that are really seriously looking at it, because they're police departments.

The owner of the property right now.

No, the violation goes to the actual.

All I'm saying right now, the law, is if there's construction being done, John could go over there and say, you know, you're doing this work without permits, without being properly licensed.

He should be doing that already. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. But the thing we're talking about is getting the actual unlicensed contractor, person, persons, right on site while they're performing work they should not be doing. They should be arrested.

Okay. So I'm an engineer, so they have a licensing board for engineers. So when you do something that somebody wants to report you, you go to the professional licensing board. So it's not technically like that for trades, then, you're saying?

Well, it would be, but only if the person was licensed and committing some type of crime. If they're unlicensed, there's nobody overseeing them.

There's no board. But for professional engineers, even if you're pretending to be a professional engineer, the actual professional engineering board still takes action.

And the actual boards for those trades can't take complaints of unlicensed entities. Typically, the first thing that happens is a cease and desist letter. And then if it depends on the infraction, they may include a fine. Their name goes in the record, so if they do apply for that license, that infraction is brought up during their license application. So there are things that do happen to the licensing board, but again, with the construction trades, they're so inundated. If you've ever went up to Newark meetings, the meetings all morning is... 95% are going over violations or complaints of violations. Very few are actually complaints against the actual licensed person. It's mostly unlicensed entities. Got it. Which is what I'm here talking about. Right. Unlicensed entities.

Can I ask a question?

She has to come up.

Just come up and state your name.

Thanks. I need to say my name. Since we're already state police and it's a state law, would the town really need that? Because we'd be calling the state police anyway.

Yes.

Because when the state police issues a summons, then it would go to municipal court anyway.

No, it would not. It would probably go up to Newark and then the board may decide where that... where that case may go or the complaint from an officer may go up to Newark and they may handle it right there and just issue the fine. Our ordinance is much more strict than the actual law and that's why we feel the towns will benefit more from this particular ordinance than a slap on the wrist. I do not know the answer to that. I do know that there is a lot of people in front of their councils like myself presenting it because there are multiple associations that have individuals that are really behind this.

All right. Well, we circulate that proposed draft and we can also run it by our legal and take a look at it. Sure.

Thank you. One more thing unrelated, on September 11th this year, next month, the borough of Allentown has their third annual procession for the remembrance and it's actually the 25th date of the horrific act. The procession is going to be a little different this year, so all committee members, township people, anyone is invited to come. It's an evening event. A lot of flyers circulating around on Facebook about it. Allentown Borough, pretty good about putting that information out on Facebook. I don't know about other social medias. So I'm here just as a committee member of that committee to invite and ask for some support. It's just a simple walk of a procession from Allen Drive, Main Street is closed. We set up around 6.30 and we walk around 7 o'clock. They closed down Main Street, fire trucks, high school, band, color guard, Millstone Elks, Millstone MC, I believe state troopers, state trooper horse, multiple other first aid squads, EMS, so on and so forth, and then obviously residents and other personnel.

No, it was there last year.

It was great. It was. It was. It's very memorable. And the thing that the committee has really been trying to do is reinforce the solidarity. It's not about reliving the horror, the horrific parts. It's about just reinforcing solidarity and people coming together. They're actually going to have a vision board about a memorial that they are building there. So next year, this whole year after September 11th, probably on September 12th, they're going to start a big push on outside contractors, donations of the memorial by the Sensi Park, where it meets in the middle. It's kind of a circular area. They're going to have the stones similar to where the library are with engraved names and so on and so forth. It's going to be a really nice memorial. Well, that's also something else that maybe somebody wants to take a look at. That should be, at the vision board, should be some flyers to take home.

Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you.

Have a good evening. You too.

Anybody else? Dan Murphy, 38, carriageway. A couple of things. More than 86 locations.

Well, at 87, if you want to shoot me over something. I'm happy to hear it. If you want to shoot something over to me, but we had literally, I got them by the street, so I don't have the list in front of me, but I prodded on the way alone, I think at 15.

Charleston Spring Road, I led to Ryderville, there's a lot of stuff going on.

We'll see, let them get cleaned up and then We'll follow up with it if there's additional after. We'll gladly.

Pass on to Bill. Coming out of Millstone Park, and I know you have Millstone Day coming up. Across the street? No. It's a separate issue. Coming out of Millstone Park on the back entrance. I guess it's not where it's wide open. Red Valley, right?

Red Valley?

Yeah.

Where the gymnastics place is on? No. Coming out of the firehouse.

Closest to the firehouse? Closest to the firehouse. All right. When you pull up to the stop sign, they've got to open up all the weeds and everything because you can't see coming out. So if you're trying to make a right turn coming out of there, line aside, Millstone Day coming up, a lot of cars going in and out. Trying to make a right turn out of there is difficult with cars flying up and down. A couple of things. Inmates. I see we have inmate labor going on in the town.

We did. Okay. Okay. We've had it for probably 10, 15 years. Okay.

In the parks, I get what's going on, but they're going behind, they're doing basins now, going behind people's houses and next to people's houses. Maybe we want to...

Look at that. With a sheriff standing right next to him?

You can't put him next to people's houses, behind people's houses and basins. I mean, in the parks, it's wide open. Are we taking away work from DPW guys, too? That's right. The DPW guys are out there usually with them so much.

But are we taking away work from them? I know that's an issue. It could be. But are we taking away work from them? You're taking over DPW. Taking it up with you. You're the guy bringing them in. To me, they've been coming for 10 or 15 years that, you know, they get some extra stuff taken care of. No problem taking them away from DPW. The issue you had was a particular thing that DPW had been doing. I didn't have the issue. You had the issue. I didn't have the issue. You had the issue.

I don't think they know what's going on, but. We know what's going on. It's a court case. He's suing me over it. We know what's going on. Where are we at with the shared services on the tax assessor? I see you hired a deputy tax assessor. Is that over with?

The shared service agreement? Yeah. Yes, the shared service agreement terminates. August 26th. August 26th, yes.

The last day of the tax assessor.

Okay. Okay. She started last Wednesday.

It's interesting that we had on the first reading of prohibiting data centers and warehouse issues. I had some concerns regarding the fire chief testifying for an applicant of the warehouse over by Millstone Road. And he was in uniform. And what's that all about?

I think what happened there was a previous meeting regarding that particular warehouse that somebody had stated that the fire department wasn't prepared to handle something like that. And I think he wanted to clarify that. We have warehouses much bigger. We have a million square foot warehouse already that they're... committed to taking care of and they believed that they were. So that's when he got... Was the board aware of this?

And was he paid for this? Was this appropriate? There's a better way of making a statement of whether the fire department...

There was testimony being done and he wanted to clarify the testimony. So... This is a planning board.

It's like you're here. When you have a township official...

He's not. He's a fire official. He doesn't work for the township. He doesn't work for us.

When you have the fire chief going before the zoning board and testifying and clarifying for an applicant of a warehouse, that's a little concerning there.

I don't get that. Why do you think that's concerning? That is his role. That is his job. He's a public person as well as a fire person. He has a right to speak at a public hearing.

But he's speaking for the Township Fire Department. Correct. They were able to handle it. He's speaking for the Township Fire Department.

If he's being accused of being negligent or can't do his job, he has a right to respond that he can do the job.

I haven't seen any of those statements. I'll go back and look and see if there was any statements that the fire department can't handle anything or can't do their job.

He wasn't recommending the warehouse or not recommending it. He's just saying if there is a warehouse there that he can handle, his company will take care of it. The Joint Tasker Task Force or whatever help he needs to call in?

It seems like we should probably specify what statements and questions were asked because right now it seems like we're just talking in the ether. It's on video. Yeah, I'm just saying we should specify which ones.

You made many statements that it's a tax benefit to the town. I mean, there was a lot more statements there. It is tax revenue. Meanwhile, you're reading, banning... You're having first readings of banning data centers and warehouses, but you have the fire chief going up and testifying for an applicant of a warehouse.

You're misconstruing it. He was not testifying for the applicant. He was testifying that his company could handle if that building was built.

And you don't think it would have been more appropriate for him to come to the township meeting and making that statement than going before a zoning board meeting and testifying for an applicant. The applicant brought him up.

We'll go back to where it was said at that applicant's previous meetings that the fire department couldn't handle it. That's the reason he was there.

There were better ways than doing it for the applicant.

Okay. It wasn't for the applicant. It was for setting a record straight.

It was for the residents of the town saying- When the applicant introduces him and the applicant brings him up, he's doing it for the applicant. Okay? If he's doing it for the town, he can come here and do it for the town.

Actually, that's false.

What?

That's false. If he's got to make a statement, the zoning board's an entirely separate board. If he's got to make a statement on the record there, he can't make it here. It has no influence.

But when the applicant brings him up...

Okay, again, you're talking about an applicant bringing him up. Was he a listed witness for the applicant? What? Was he a listed witness for the applicant? Yes. Are we swarming? No, that doesn't mean anything about a listed witness. Every witness is sworn in. It's really opposed to opposition. The applicant brought him up. And I can bring up anybody, but okay.

He could have came up when questions came up. He could have came up and said, hey, we can handle this. I'm not here for this or for that. But, you know, it's concerning.

So I will just say one thing. So sitting on the planning board, I don't know what happened at the Board of Adjustment. So the fire department does review every application that comes before us. So the fire department will do a write-up for us as the planning board, and they will submit it to us. So that actually does happen. And so we do get a report from them every single time that there's an application that comes before us. Okay.

I'm not saying he shouldn't put a write-up in, but going up for the applicant for a warehouse,

In a zoning board.

What difference does it make if it's a warehouse or a house or Joe Schmoe's delicatessen?

There was a packed room. Okay, so what's the difference? Why are we having a reading today of an ordinance banning or prohibiting data centers and some warehouses? Because it's concerning.

is tidy up chapter 35 land use to not allow the building construction approval anywhere within the township land for data centers, mini data centers or anything like that. If it's not explicitly excluded, then it's allowed. We as a township are protecting the open land so that we will not allow that use for any of the open land in town. That's all that ordinance is saying.

But your point was the house or warehouse, what was the point? It's concerning to people in the town about the overbuilding of warehouses. and data centers, okay? I'm just saying maybe there was a better way of doing this than having the applicant introduce them and bring them on. We can't control what the applicant does. What? We can't control what the applicant does. Okay, but we can't control what the fire chief does.

To a certain extent. Okay. I suggest you brush up yourself and understand how land use works in the state before you make comments.

I'll brush up, Al, and we'll have a conversation after I brush up on that.

No, it's Jeff.

Jeff Siner. Jeff. Jeff Siner. Where you been, Jeff? All right. I'm good.

Thanks. Any other comments? Okay. Then we'll close the meeting to the public at 842.

Okay.

So we are going to have to go back into executive session. No formal action will be taken after executive session is over.

Thank you. Make a motion.

Motion to adjourn.

Motion to go into executive session.

I'll make the motion.

I'll second.

Thank you. Signer. Okay, Christy, you can turn off the video.