Planning & Zoning - Regular Meeting

Um, first of all, uh, if you join me in prayer, dear heavenly father, we thank you for allowing us to be here together today to discuss the community's business, and we ask for your guidance, your patience, uh, and, uh, that we will uh, we will continue to to act respectfully to each other and and and honorable to each other and we know that you will guide us in that. Thank you for the many blessings that you give us and forgive us of our sins. Uh in his name we pray. Amen.

Okay. Um like to move now for approval of minutes for the August 27th meeting. Uh may I have a motion to approve? Has everybody seen those and read those? Is there any corrections or or additions? If not, may I have a motion to approve? Second. Okay. All in favor say I. I. Opposed?

Motion passes. Uh financial report. Terry, if you would just uh review, go to the second page. Don't go to the one the first page that says assets on the top. Second page. You may have read it. It's fairly small. So just pay attention to what I say. This is going to be relatively brief. The numbers that you see here are August and and July and then the first column is August. The second column is July and August. So it's August 38. And two months into the year, you know, if we were perfectly on budget, we'd be at 70% of revenue and 17% of expenses. If you take a look at the revenue section which is about the top one quarter of the you can first of all see that we are already at 50% of oil county and dandel contribution. Remember the last meeting we talked about

the fourth quarter 25 fiscal year 25 contributions didn't get recorded until until July. So, we've actually got a quarter of last year's contributions in this year's budget. So, it's it's making our revenue look very high. Mr. Mannon, if if I could ask you, is your microphone on? It says it's on. Just maybe the turning it will help. Thank you, sir. Okay. Anybody hear me now? Yeah. Okay, that's better.

So, just drop down to the line that says total commission revenue, which is about, you know, a fourth of the way down the page. You can see that for the first two months, our total commission revenue is 86,989 I believe it is. And that compares to a budget of $194,000. So it says we're already at 45% of total revenue two months in. And that's because of the additional quarterly contribution from last year that didn't make it until this year's budget. So if you take out that four uh fourth quarter fiscal year 25 contribution, we would actually be at 25% of revenue versus 17%.

And that's about where we normally expect to be because we get three months of of revenue contribution from the city and we're only two months into the city and county and we're only two months into the year. So from a revenue standpoint, there's everything's fine. You know, really nothing to talk about. So next we'll talk about expenses. And again, I'm going to just drop down to the bottom line because there's a if you look at the all the way down to the bottom of the page, total expenditures for the first two months, our total expenditures have been like $36,743, which is 16% of our total budgeted revenue. Again, if we were right on budget, it'd be 17%. So, we're basically right on there. But the caveat is is we still have not included the expenses that I talked about last time from group bluegrass ad for the comp plan and for Lyndon's salary when he acted as our director. Hopefully that'll be in this next month's budget, but that's $53,000. So, uh, we've got these two unbudgeted large unbudgeted revenue and large unbudgeted expenses that are just making the numbers look a little screwy, but everything's fine. And what we are going to want to do though is once we get beyond the comp plan in another month or so, we we're going to want to do a budget amendment like we do normally about mid year and factor both these things in so when we look at these sheets, they'll make sense.

But revenue is all right, expenses are all right. And for the budget, Terry, it's the the spending is the unusual piece, right? We didn't catch the bluegrass AD piece. Well, we had some money in last year's budget, but it didn't get build till this year. So, we've got both out of period revenue and out of period expenses that we balance, right? They don't perfectly balance, but uh but we're all right for both. All right. Okay. Is that it? Yeah, we do need a motion to accept motion to accept those report. So moved. Second. Second.

All in favor say I. All opposed. Motion passes. Okay. Um next is uh move to construction shurities for August. And Miss Gray u you were going to present that report. Yes. The only thing we have for this month to talk about is the Highliff properties. Um, is there anybody to discuss that here? Okay. Um, so I think the only thing we need to do is um discuss approving that contingent on a bond because the it's expiring is the situation.

We're we're needing to extend it. And so what we could have since we don't have that shity in hand is we could have a contingent motion to approve extension uh contingent on receiving a shity within the next couple weeks. Do we have to discuss what type of shity and how much

um the the subregs provide options and um credit apparently it's a letter of credit. So um and the amount is dictated by what estimates we've reviewed and had engineers look over as well. So, we're there in the two-year of the letter of credit and right now they're at 80 863,516. Um, and I think it was on the agenda to discuss either reduction or closing of that property. But, um, I don't think these developers or that property is at that place yet. So, I put it on the agenda contingent on him potentially being here. But, um, so we'll not have to just table that for next month. So, table the the approval or the contingency.

Is it going to run out if you table it? Uh, no. Um, it actually Okay. Because if it's going to run out, if it's going to run out like the next two months and we don't have a quorum or something like that, I think we should at least address it, especially coming into the Yeah. Um, right. So, and and if it's not going to run out, there's no re need for a contingent motion. We can just address it at the next meeting. Okay. Okay. If we get more info, get back on that agenda. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So, you want to just address that next meeting? Is that is is there two months left on it or just one month left?

No. Um there is um it's coming up at the two-year. So, we just needed a uh commission approval to extend it into a second to third year. Um but it was either going to be extended or reduced. Um but then I move to extend it. Okay. There's a motion on the to extend the sh Yeah. Second. Second. All in favor say I. I. Motion passes. Thank you. So, so Hannah, if they want to come back, then they have to reduce it. They have to come back. Exactly. Exactly. And speak to you all. Yeah. And we'll we'll be in touch with that developer before next meeting. Okay.

Uh subdivision approvals. Um so we'll move to that next. Keith Shannon and Mike Graves has applied for a subdivision of 691 and N88 acre property located at 112 North Braxton Drive Fairable. Miss Gray will present the application.

So this one is the property that got tabled last month um and has been sent through tech review I think twice now. Um is there anybody that wants to speak to that here today? Okay. All right. Um, so I think the issue on this plat was the um question of if the city of Danville was going to take over that pump station and according to utilities and engineering, they will take over that pump station. But I think it's also still dependent on us doing some research on if there's an easement, historical easement on that property. So there's still a little bit digging that we have to do on our end. So, we we can't do a motion today then.

Um, as far as it, we don't know if the city of Danville will take that property. So, I think it should be tabled again. Okay. I'll move to table it. Thank you. Second. All in favor of tableabling the motion. Motion's approved. Okay. Okay, next up is uh Wanda AC has applied for a subdivision of 183.561 acre parcels of land located at 5245 West US Highway 68 gravel switch. Miss Gray will present the application.

Um this one was pretty straightforward and self-explanatory. We didn't have any concerns in uh tech review. So um this one looks good on our end. Okay. So is there a motion to approve? Yeah, I'll make a motion we approve. Second. Second. All in favor of the motion. Motion passes. Thank you. Uh finally, uh Larry Stevens and Dylan Cadell have applied for a subdivision of total of 3.007 acre parcel of land in two tracks known as 364 and 330 Russell Street in Junction City, Kentucky. M Gray will will uh present the application.

Um this one again it was pretty uh self-explanatory and straightforward. In tech review we only had concerns of access points and those got discussed during that meeting and um so there were no other concerns. I move we approve. Mr. Manny second. Okay. All in favor say I.

I. Motion passes. All right. Now, sorry. And now we'll move into the public hearing section. Um, Danny and Jana Rigdi have applied for a zoning map amendment on their 2.443 acre parcel located at 650 Street from multifamily residential RM3 to general business GB. Uh, Mr. Riggnney will now present the application. I guess.

Yes, you are. It's my first time. That's okay. You're doing great.

Hey, you start out with more data. That's good. My name is Danny Riggney. Uh we have purchased the uh old new Vista building or compare care building. Uh what our plans are for that. Uh we own a brighter choice. Uh we have bought this building. Basically, we've always wanted to do a family thing. So our whole conversation is family. Uh my daughter is the owner of uh a writer choice. We deal with um uh special needs uh individuals. We have bought the company back in uh October of 22 and the business has been uh Linda and I owned it. It was 20 24 years before we have it. Again, as you said, it's zoned as RM3. and I want to go to a general business. Uh to which when we bought it, I thought they was thinking it was already a general business from that aspect of it. But uh we we have nine houses that we house individuals also. We have about 150 clients. Uh but we house about 35 uh individuals daily and take care of them 24 hours a day, seven days a week. Um, our mission to provide the best opportunity for individuals to succeed in the communities that they have decided to call home. A brighter choice ensures the dignity of every person they support while empowering them to establish ties to their communities through both work and sol socialization. During our programs, we have training rooms and we train the individuals how to cook, how to function in normal life

is our goal is what we do. So that's one side of the business. Uh and the reason I'm here, if you'll look at some of the pictures in there, that is our group that we deal with. That's who our individuals and clients are uh from what we do and how we take care of those uh individuals. After we got this building, uh, something popped up to where, uh, we also own Robinson Hughes and Christopher accounting firm here in Damble. It's been here, uh, it was established in 1938. U and, and again, back to family. My wife owns uh, 49% of the business. So, we're trying to bring everybody together. I think you know, Janna, if I'm not incorrect. Um, so after Robinson, Hughes and Christopher decided to sell the building that they are currently in and has been there I think since uh 1981 uh they had to go someplace else.

So we looked at Stanford, we looked at uh Harrisburg, we looked at different properties to move to and New Vista called me about this particular building and said, "Danny, this may be what you want."

So we looked at it and time is perfect for what our writer choice needs. But now with Jana, I'd like to do it right. So that's the reason I wanted to come and try to get a change to a business. U so they are looking with your approval uh to move down with us in the building. We have 34 offices in it. Uh huge training rooms for our people. So that will entail to about 10 or 12 employees from uh Robinson, Hughes, and Christopher. Uh so we will be there again back to the family of uh Jana, Emily, and I. Uh I get a little emotional. Sorry, I lost my son 15 years ago in a car accident. Um so from that aspect of it, they have clients from South Florida uh to North Michigan, coast to coast to prepare income tax for every state including Alaska. Two uh full-time CPAs, three part-time CPAs, four staff, three part-time seasonal individuals, and again Jana owns 49% of the company, so we're there as a family. Uh I also put in there the picture if approved our sign that we'll put up at New Vista or at uh uh now Deco with Jan and I bought the company or bought the business. Um my plans are to uh redo the facility. We've already painted 15,000 square foot inside totally. Uh I'm looking at all new flooring in it. I'm looking to spend about 200,000 in in remodeling, redoing in the building along with outside for the neighbors. They've let it go down a bit. So, I'm trimming all the trees, cutting

everything uh and and making it look a professional building is what we're planning to do and in the process of doing. So, with that, I uh I had 45page PowerPoint and then I said at 3:00 this morning, I said, "Thank No, I said uh maybe I just need to cut it to this and uh and I think most of you know us anyways from that aspect of it. So I'm uh here asking if we can change that to a business zone and then we can move forward. Keep about 90 jobs is what it is. When I started looking out uh overall it's about 90 jobs in B County now. So that's what we're looking at.

Mr. What type of parking is there available? Uh currently there's 44 parking spots at the facility. Uh and we're redoing doing that. I brought all the grass charts. So if I understand it's going to be business building and not residential.

No ma'am it's not residential. It is business from the standpoint of of the again our brighter choice and pe people with special needs. We will come in and the whole half back here is going to be special needs. The front side here is going to be our staff which is uh about 12 people total and then Jan will be the CPA farm will be here which is about 10 people. So there's 44 parking spots. There's straight parking all along this side of it.

Yes. 44. Yes, ma'am. you might speak a little bit to the fact that this has been the history of the property business.

Yes, it it has been commercial business as long as I've ever known. I've been here all my life. Uh it has been commercial from the old Pioneer Workshop uh in the 70s all the way up. New Vista had it doing similar to what we do only compare dealt with uh individuals that had issues going on in their life and and all. We are just dealing with special needs. I understand there was a metal plant there at one time, but I'm strictly uh strictly special needs individuals in a county only.

Uh nothing else will be done there. Are you consolidating like clients in this building from other locations or is it expanding and adding clients? I will be adding a few people but right now we have our facility in Junction City uh there by Dons. I think you're from Junction. It's right there by Dons. That's us. Uh and then Janice Robinson and Christopher. We're just going to combine them together into the one large facility. Okay. And and be there. Good. Any other questions for Mr. Rick? So, do one have any classrooms or

Yes, ma'am. I will have six classrooms for our day training group and we split up every day and I invite all of you please come down and see us. I would just be honored for you to do that. But yes, we have six classrooms that we break up our special need individuals into groups of eight or 10 and we we train them. We we work on math. We work on many many many things that we do uh for our clients. So it's going to be basically a vocational type I don't want to say vocational but there's there's training uh skills. Yes. Life skills. Life skills. Yeah. Absolutely. Yes.

Yes, ma'am. How many at a time do you expect the classroom? Currently, we have I've got it broken up now into three different classrooms. This building is affording me to go to four, five, and I have about eight per classroom. Uh, and again, if you look at my pictures, you see we have several in in wheelchairs and walkers and uh individuals like that. So that's why this is so special to us to uh to be able to help. I don't have anything. Any other questions from commission?

Okay, Mr. Brrier. Thank you. Uh we'll open up the floor now for any public uh comments. Uh speak in favor or against the project. U state your name and address, please. I'm Kendall Wise and I work for Vantage Engineering and I'm helping Mr. Riggney with the surveying and so forth on this project. But one of the things I wanted to point out that

one one thing that I wanted to point out about the property the properties as he mentioned has been a commercial use for a long long time. And um in the past the property was zoned NCC. NCC was one of those zones we it no longer exists. It went away whenever we reclassified the zones about five or eight years ago. I think Steve Hunter was here. Um NCC allowed both commercial activity as well as residential activity.

And when the the decision was made to change the names of the zones, NCC defaulted to RM3, which is the current zone to allow multif family use. So I think it was an error in part because it it should have you know a little more attention should have been put on well is this really a residential use and why would we default to RM3 but so that's part of the reason that Mr. Riggney is having to come and do this today. Mr. Wise, can you speak to whether there's any screening on site between this facility and any neighborhood uses?

There's an existing uh six foot uh privacy fence. that's shown on the the zone change plat that we did. I thought it would be important to note, but that would be on the west side along the parking lot between that and single family residential that that adjoins the property. Uh so that existing uh privacy fences there. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Any other comments? State your name and address, please. Good morning. My name is Kathy Lesk. I live at 362 Swopee Drive. My husband and I own two plats that back up to the parking lot that you access off of High Street.

Yes, sir. So, um first of all, I'm a retired educator, so the the the one angle of what you're doing I hardily endorse. Um I had a question also related to parking. Somebody had asked earlier, I wasn't able to see the picture, but I know there's that smaller parking structure. Um, and then the other gentleman had mentioned parking on the street. I know the streets in that region are extremely narrow and we have a lot of school buses that go up and down and small children. So, I was had a concern about on street parking. Absolutely no on street parking.

Zero. We have again 44 spots. Okay. We have 44 spots here. And that long brown fence is us where you were saying that there was a privacy fence. That long brown fence is us. The parking aspect. We have two ways in here and here. I'm probably going to close this one off. Gotcha. Because to keep cars from just cutting through is what we've seen, which they do. We have 12 parking spots here, 22 here, and then I'm making this parking line parking spots here. So, there will be zero on street. Okay. Yeah, our property is right up here. Yes, ma'am.

Um, so, and then do you have any questions for the development of that green space in the community? People call it the Sixth Street Park. So, we weren't sure if that was part of your property or part of the city's. We were kind of confused. Even the guys who mow it, they tell us it's the cities. So, but then it looks like in inside

it is this is the total property and absolutely nothing will change from that aspect. As of today, I I will not I I have no plans to build any structures to build anything other than redoing the gazebo like we did. Basically, making it pretty. And again, I'm going to trim all of this stuff out and make it look a showcase. Uh that's that's what we that's how we operate and how we've done. But uh no, there will be no other than enhancing maybe a tree or two maybe or something. But but uh I'm leaving all the green space in here and nothing will be touched from that standpoint.

Well, my husband and I hardily endorse that. We have worked really hard to develop our property. We moved into Danville a year ago and have um really worked hard to make a back garden. Yes, ma'am. We sit and we see that that vieward a little bit. Yeah. So, so I support this and welcome to the neighborhood. Thank you, ma'am. Okay. Are there any other comments? Yes. Please state your name and address, please.

Uh hello, I'm Lori Kagan Moore. I own and operate the Great American Dollhouse Museum at 344 Swope Drive and I have a couple of acres on the other side. Um I I just had a question or two, possibly more out of curiosity, but with the special needs Excuse me. Would you speak to the mic?

I'm sorry. Um with the special needs um group about how many individuals do you figure that will be there each day? And is it an adult daycare situation? In other words, they're dropped off at some point and then they spend the day there. Um, or is it more that they come for classes or how do you how will that go? Do you want you want a chance to be there?

It is 100% adult care from that aspect of it. Uh, you've got to be 18 plus to be in our programs. Most of our individuals are in the range of 30 to 78. uh they are dropped off, but they're dropped off from our houses with the bus uh buses that travel through there now. So, they will be dropped off at around 8:30 in the morning and then we would depart about 4:30 in the afternoon uh and take them back to the residential to their homes is what we do. And then we care for others that will come in and out. But majority uh it's it's about 30 people per day that come. We have a full kitchen there. We feed them breakfast. We feed lunch. Uh so we prepare everything. Everything they do is is what we do. And again, please uh come anytime. We we enjoy we enjoy visitors every day if we can get them to come and and see who we are. Yes, ma'am.

Well, that that I think that does speak to some degree to the issue of any parking problem if they're coming in their own buses. if if that those 30 individuals, that's not 30 families bringing their cars and blah blah blah blah blah. Um I think that that whole area I I'm well aware that it used to be NCC and that was a change. So it is commercial. We're commercial and um I support this use of it. I think it's a good use for this community, this building, this property. I look forward to someone taking care of the grounds over there and um I hope this passes and welcome to the neighborhood. Thank you.

Anybody else have anything they want to say? I'm Sarah I'm Sarah Ballamp and I live on Shadell Drive which feeds right into Swopee Drive. I think your project sounds great and I have no big objections. My only concern is the traffic. I've talked to Josh, our city and city manager about this and I think Swopee Drive is scheduled to get a speed bump, at least one. I walk along there. I come down Shadellin and walk along Swope and walk up in that neighborhood. and your parking sounds fine and take care of that. It's just the traffic aspect. And I think if we could get some speed bumps quickly, I think it's scheduled in the city for next spring, but truly, you take your life in your hands and I appreciate that sidewalk they put a long slope, too. But the cars come whizzing through there and we've got to have those speed bumps. And I I'm all for the adult daycare and so forth. It's the commercial part with the extra traffic. Those streets are very narrow and there are children and a lot of sidewalk traffic in there. But I'm not being negative. I just have those concerns and about the traffic situation. Thank you.

Thank you. Does anybody else want to make any comments? I'm sorry, Mr.

Just to address that from the standpoint we're going to have about um uh 12 24 at the most cars that are going to be associated with us. When New Vista was there or comp Care, they had every room full, every building full, and they had around 50 cars per day. So, we're going to be considerably less than than what that is. And I'll agree with the ma'am. Cars just they they fly down through both sides actually from that aspect of it. That's why I'm thinking about closing off the back entrance because no longer than we've been there remodeling and stuff, people will cut through and they'll fly down there on two wheels. I mean, so so I support what you say also, ma'am. So, thank you. Any other comments?

I have one. Is this a lock down facility? Are they locked in?

Uh, no ma'am, we do not lock in. We're not allowed to do that per the state, but I do have a staff that watches everyone every moment. That's part of what we have to do per per our state regulations. Uh, so no, it's not a lockdown, but we know every individual. uh for the community there. I'm putting up uh 12 cameras outside so that we can see monitor anything that goes on which we have to do. So we'll have cameras in the back on the side and in the front that we monitor every movement from our location uh for individuals that we have.

Yes, ma'am. Thank you. Any other comments? Okay. If not, we'll uh we'll close the public hearing and u ask commissioners if we can get a motion to approve or deny this application.

Yeah, I'll make a motion that we approve the proposed zoning map amendment together with and conditioned upon the general development plan conditions submitted by the applicant. Based upon the testimony and documents presented in this public hearing, the proposed zoning map amendment is consistent with the adopted comprehensive plan as demonstrated by its compliance with the following items and it they have demonstrated that the current zoning designation is inappropriate. So therefore, I propose the zoning map amendment is in agreement with the adopted comprehensive plan. Further, I request this motion include the summary of evidence and testimony presented by the witnesses at this public hearing. You are second. Second.

Second debate. Henry at motion. Okay. I wanted to piggyback on and say with regard to comp plan conformity, it is shown on our current future land use map as being commercial. So that's an area of conformity. With regard to our guidance for commercial development, uh that guidance speaks to the transition between commercial uses and neighboring residential uses and there will be no change in that transition based on this use. The guidance also speaks to screening and buffering and we heard testimony that there's an existing fence that offers screening. I'll incorporate that into my motion. Thank you. And your second. All in favor say I.

I. I. All oppose like sign. Motion passes. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Thank you. Thank you. And come and see us, please. We'll do highly asked. Come and see us. Thanks. And that goes for the neighborhood, too. Please. Our doors are open.

The uh we're going to move into another part of the business now to talk about the uh uh 2025 comprehensive plan for Danville B County. Was introduced at last commissioner's meeting on September um uh and it's been on it's been open online for public review since the 17th. Uh Mrs. Gray will now will tell us a little bit about the plan. Thank you, Miss Gray.

Hello everyone. Thank you all for joining us this morning. Um I first want to walk through the steps we've taken to develop the 2025 comprehensive plan and then share the next steps in the process. Um this plan was a result of over two years worth of work, collaboration, and community input. We began this process back in 2023 with a series of vision meetings held in Danville, Junction City, Perville, Parksville, and Falkland. These meetings gave us a chance to hear from directly from residents about what matters most, housing, transportation, economic development, and historic preservation. From those meetings, we formed the comprehensive plan committee, which included four planning and zoning commissioners, Sam Collier, Dan Nolette, uh Tom Ruby, and Terry Mannon, along with our former planning director, Michaela Jerry, and our Danville city engineer, Josh Morgan. And this committee worked closely with the city and the county to shape the goals and objectives that formed the foundation for this plan. Then in the fall of 2024, we introduced the draft of the future land use map or the flume through a round of another another round of public meetings. Throughout 2023 and 2025, public input has been the most important part of this process. I stepped into this role in June of 2025 and I'm very excited to be able to carry it through the finish line. Um, so what are the next steps? Hopefully this morning the planning and zoning commission may consider moving toward adoption of this plan. But if adopted, the comprehensive plan and the flume will serve as the foundation for the planning and zoning commission. This plan will be a guide for how the community will grow and develop over time and it will be a living document and one that continues to grow and adapt alongside the community. Um, but today I do want to express my gratitude for the work that has been done. I want to thank the Danville and Bo County community for your time, your input, and your patience throughout this process. Um, throughout all of the public meetings, you've shared your ideas, your concerns, and your hopes for the future of Danville and Bo County. and the commission is grateful for your participation participation. Um, this plan reflects all of your voices and it truly belongs to the community. I also want to recognize the comprehensive plan committee for their years of commitment and hard work and I want to thank

Michaela Jerry for helping um, get this process started and set the foundation for the plan that we have today. Um, and finally, I want to express my gratitude to the Danville City Commission and the Bo County Fiscal Court. Thank you. Um, and I want to, um, your confidence in us has and support throughout this process has been essential to getting us here today. Um, so I'm excited to share this plan with you guys today and I'll throw it back to you all. Okay. Any questions uh, from through to the from the commission? Are we opening up? I'll make a comment.

Okay. Make one. I having done um strategic planning at the national government level for for my whole career, this was to me this was a fantastic process to see at the local level and it meant so much more be because of the direct input from the community. Um, when you're doing planning at strategic planning at the national level, you nobody ever talks to to citizens and the citizens generally, I mean, everybody pretends that they matter, but they don't. But here, they really do. And in in all of those meetings, everybody was really cordial. I mean, everybody, we we went to these things. Everybody was cordial. Everybody had real genuine input. And everybody wanted the best for the community. I mean there you could see that here. And what was really impressive is that my fellow members on the on the comp plan committee from from the county and the city and from you know from it was really fascinating to see how all of the community inputs were were taken. I mean how seriously that that that was really really taken. Nobody scoffed at anything. I don't think because anything was scoffable to bring up. So I I know I mean I just want to thank everybody. I thought this was going to be teeth pulling and in fact it was really a joy. [Laughter]

That's it.

Okay. All right. Thank you, Tom. I appreciate it. Uh any any other question or comments from the commission? If not, uh, I'd like to open the floor to public comments, uh, regarding the plan. Uh, if you'd like to share your thoughts, I think, as Tom mentioned, we gave every most people a chance to share their thoughts in public meetings previously, uh, as as went around and stuff. So, hopefully those those thoughts have been shared and we either maybe we've taken action on them, maybe we haven't. I don't know what your thoughts may have been, but uh, uh, gives you another chance here to to come up and tell us what you think. U and um if if you would if not that's great too. So anybody want to come forward and offer a thought a question a suggestion whatever. Thank you. State your name and address, please.

Excuse me. Good morning. My name is Melanie Thornberry and I live at 623 Greybrook Street here in Danville. Um, I am also an attorney who practices a great deal in front of you all, in front of the board of adjustments. I've worked about 20 years on land use law and and zoning regulations, having had the benefit of learning and working with my father, Merl Clark, who was an attorney here for 40 plus years, and also did more planning and zoning matters than he probably wants to remember having done. Um, first and foremost, I want to thank you all as well as the others that have been involved in undertaking this great task of updating and um, bringing into existence a current comprehensive plan and a flume. I know um in my professional experience just how crucial a good comprehensive plan and a flume that works in tandem with it and that represents the community is. And I think having attended um at least one maybe two of the public meetings that you all held I would echo what Mr. Ruby said which was that it was very impressive to see the open dialogue and the respectful exchange of ideas amongst you all and the public. I I greatly appreciate that. Um I was looking at the proposed plan and flume both for personal reasons as well as professional reasons. And um in

doing so, I noticed what I think is a completely unintentional flip-flop is the best way to describe it of two zones on the flume. Those two zones would be the village neighborhood and the garden neighborhood. And I did last week send a letter trying to articulate what I saw as the um problems that could arise in the future under that. I'm not sure if you all received my letter. I do know I think Miss Gray said that she does have copies of it here for you all should you want it. Um, in a nutshell, and I'm not very good at nutshells, but in a nutshell, I will say that the um, flip-flopping has resulted in the areas on our flume that are currently shown as low density residential, which correlates with our R1A and R1B zones, and are yellow in color on on the the current flume and areas that are shown as moderate density residential being R1C and R M 2 RMD, excuse me. um

and shown as the orange color have essentially been flopped. So that garden neighborhood which is the best description for the use of moderate density and high density areas

has been put on those areas that are R1A and R1B. And this results in a very very problematic change for future land use purposes as that it would give a green light to uses that are not at all in compliance with the existing R1A and R1B zones. And conversely, those areas that have been shown as being more appropriate for the higher density residential and the multifamily residential in so far as duplexes specifically are now shown as only being appropriate for single family residential. So again, I I say that I think this was unintentional.

It was it and and really we want to thank you for catching that. That was that was totally an unintentional error. I figured it was. And I will say that's actually the whole purpose of this the last you know this public review is to catch that kind of legal thing that we didn't intend and it was it was literally a page swap unintentional in the formatting. Okay. Yeah. So wonderful. So the the the yellow garden neighborhood which is intended to capture the existing R1AS R2A's that's been swapped back to garden neighborhood. Garden neighborhood will be the low density that already exists. Yep.

Village neighborhood will be the little bit slightly higher density that is prop that is that is proximate to the village center. Okay. in a in in a in in a future potential development that nobody's going to force anybody to do. Right. But I will also say um the reason that this struck me as very important is because it's not necessarily limited to only future development in the sense that there are still vacant lots in some neighborhoods and there certainly could be vacant lots if there were say a fire for example. Sure.

And what I think you all want to avoid and certainly what I want to avoid is someone coming in and buying a couple vacant lots and deciding, well, I'm going to ask to put a duplex into this otherwise single family neighborhood and then point to the flume and the comprehensive plan as being something that endorses that or gives that permission.

Yep. Um, so also subsequent to the letter that I sent last week, I did is it yesterday or day before? Yesterday, I sent this up an updated one that just simply gave my suggestion of how this could be corrected and attached to it to exhibits A and B. And I reference what pages can be substituted in the proposed which and and thank you. We Okay, we've got it and we've got a corrected copy in front of us. Oh, fantastic. Okay, it's already corrected. We've made sure that's changed. Okay, good. Because I was looking for it. I didn't see the And really and really do appreciate

the problem has been corrected in your copy. Well, as my children would probably tell you, I pay attention to minute details to a fault. My husband may say that too. That's good. But every once in a while, it does come in handy. So, I thank you all again for your efforts on this and appreciate you all taking the time to look at at what I had sent. So, hopefully it will decrease the number of times you all see me here in the future. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you all. So, the corrected document is the one that's in front of Okay. is the one that's in front of us. Yes. And I can show you

the corrected document is in front of us. the correct document is in front of us.

Is there are there any other comments? I'm Dan Wells live in Streamland and I want to emphasize uh some of the comments in the flume particularly those committed to runners, walkers and bikers that's a part of the flume and also the green space. Uh I'm one of the runner walkers and bikers around here. I'm out on Bluegrass Pike frequently. I'm also out on 2168 Recil. Thank you all very much for providing those for us. So, please continue your commitment to runners, walkers, bikers, and green space. Thank you. Is there anybody else who'd like to say anything?

Yes, sir. Let's go forward.

I'm John Hughes. I live at 1046 Blueg Grass. Um, my question on the comprehensive plan is, is there a change for the property that's been known as the Frankle Farm that borders blueg grass and 150 and the seed cleaners? I don't think there's been a change a change since when from last the last fl.

Well, let me put it in perspective. If you look at the LA the film that's in effect now, not the one we're going to vote on, the one that's been effect for 9 years, the 2017 I don't know if that's I don't know if it was called the Franco farm, but we had 245 acres along that corridor that the Flume had designated for potential future residential, multifamily, and commercial combination in there. And that acreage also fronted blueg grass pike by 5,000 ft. The one we're proposing today that we adopt today, that acreage has been reduced from 245 to 41 acres. So it's an 83% reduction of the space that the old flume, the current flume has set aside for residential, commercial, multifamily. And also the space along Bluegrass Parkway has been reduced from 5,000 feet to 1,000 feet. That's an 80% reduction. So I guess you could say that the the plan that we're looking at here has about an 80% reduction in the flume designation for that property reducing leaving 80% of it agricultural and then potential in the future change for about 20% of it. what used to be two residential multif family and commercial.

So I'm object to the multifamily. Well, the current flu also has multif family. Okay. Okay. So what we're doing is taking 80% of that what was what was floomed not zoned flumed and moving it back to most agriculture. moving it back to agriculture. So there will only be the 20% of it will remain flumemed for residential. It's the front corner, the borders 150. Okay. Blue. But that still doesn't change the zoning yet. No, that still is a whole different much more complicated process.

Okay. Thank you.

Yeah. Hey, Sally Bright, 3456 Lexington Road, Danville. And um I'm with Smart Growth Bole and we are often a gadf fly on the rump of planning and zoning. um we keep a close eye on things and we tend to Yeah, we tend to um sometimes be critical, but I just want to applaud you guys on the whole process. As Tom said and um other people said, it it was done so well. It allowed for so much public input and we really felt we were heard and um I just want to compliment especially Dan and and Terry and Sam and um who else was it that worked on it? Yes, Tom. Tom. Yes. For all that they did. And um just thank you guys so much. Uh it it was really a wonderful document. I think much better than it's ever been before.

Agree. So, thank you. Anybody else? Storbury. That's all right.

Really don't like public speaking. Um, I just took a quick look at Sorry, uh, Melanie Thornberry again. just took a quick look at the printed copy that was over here specifically at Garden Neighborhood. And if you will look at what is shown on the Garden Neighborhood designation on page 34 of the proposed plan and then if you will look at that which is attached to my letter that I think you all have as exhibit A which is also village neighborhood I very strongly do think that what is currently zoned as R1A and R1B is what should be garden neighborhood and that the suggested uses should be limited to only single family residential. What is currently in the comp plan shows duplex residential as a suggested use and given that you are covering R1A and R1B current zones I do not think that duplexes fall into those low density single family residential areas. I also do not think that R1C, which is a one of three groups of the residential, single family residential, but when you look at our current zone, which is what the comp plan has to be built off of in section 4, the permitted residential use, excuse

me, the permitted residential unit types that are permissive ible in the R1C zone are significantly broader and different than those which are permitted in the R1A and R1B. So it is my suggestion and my hope that you all can amend what is here as garden neighborhood on page 34 and then I think it appears subsequently maybe on 95 to be the exhibit A proposal that I submitted to you. The main difference there being that it takes out the duplex use as a suggested use. R1C and RM2 seem to be more like one another and compatible with one another and to fall under that village neighborhood. Whereas R1A and R1B are certainly compatible with one another, not just in uses, but also in the type of unit or dwelling building that is permissible in that zone. So it's the only thing I wanted to follow up to was since I had looked at it,

thank you. Wanted to point that out. Thank you. Do we want to address that after we hear I think Oh, I'm sorry. Public. My name is Lucy Moore. I live at 108 Cavalcake Drive.

And um I don't know if you as commissioners know, but there is a lot more traffic on 150 now. Semi trucks are coming 150 to get to I75 so they can miss miss a scale station and a lot of traffic from around the state is coming this way to also get to the eastern part of Kentucky. Um during school sessions in the mornings, the traffic is backed up from the light by McDonald's all the way to Bluegrass Pike. Cars have gotten to where they turn onto the pike to go down Beni to get to the light at the Danville U where McDonald's is. So, I think if we add a housing area and commercial property, that will make this traffic even worse. And I think that's something that needs to be considered.

I'm I'm not sure what you're referring to. The traffic problem that if a subdivision is put on that property, it's going to make the situation worse for traffic. She's talking about that bluegrass estates. Parville Road. We were just saying that that remaining 20% is not right. Right. That's floomed. Right. The proposed flume takes talking about blue spike still. Yeah. Yes. Is that okay? I'm sorry. I thought you referred somewhere else.

No, sir. If someone were to go through a zone change to try to make this 40 acres or I guess it's 41 acres a subdivision, that would have to include a traffic study and that would have to include the state approving that sub that zone change and Okay. And it would include the review of the traffic. I sounds like there's a traffic problem there now that the state needs to address that we don't have really any control over. Yes. But if it's but if that zone change did go somebody did apply for a zone change for those 40 acres there would have to be a traffic study to see if that would more adversely impact that and which could affect then and there would be a public hearing as well

and a public hearing for the zone change and all that. Also I want to thank you for keeping the 80% as farmland. I grew up on a farm. I love farmland and that is prime farmland. So, thank you. Thank you.

I'm Mark Morgan. I live at 9:15 West Count Fleet Circle, which is adjacent to the Pike, Bluegrass Pike. Um, on September 3rd, I prepared comments. I don't know. I took them to Miss Gray and she said she would get them, distribute them to the commission. Yes,

I hope everyone had it. I have extra copies if anybody anybody on the commission needs a copy. Um I've tried to uh make it clear in there what my position is. Miss Thornberry has raised some issues today about uh designations. I'm not sure if those affect my comments or not. I want to thank you. For the past two years, we have participated and appreciate the opportunity to participate as members of the public. That is much it is and I told Mr. Ruby earlier and Mr. Nlette yesterday that I cannot remember. I've been working planning and zoning as an attorney in this community since 1981 and I cannot remember a process as that allowed as much public input and welcome public input as the past two years. So, thank you. I still um currently the west side of Bluegrass Pike is zoned agricultural. In my comments, I've made it abundantly clear that your goals and objective which are to be lauded for their straightforward to the point um clarity make I I've cited multiple examples that show that prime farmland should be preserved under your goals and objectives. and I and the land west of Bluegrass Pike is designated by the USDA as prime farmland. In addition, um, I've gone through my comments and extensively gone through

your goals and objectives in all 108 pages of the comp plan with a fine tooth comb and seen the importance of your recognition for trails health in our community for walkers, runners, cyclists, the safety features that can be enhanced by having safe trails for these events to occur. The public benefits of these events. And since 1981, the Pike has been known as the cycling area, the running area, the walking area in our community. Um 2168 has been a welcome addition and other trails. and I've served as tra as chair of the Danville Bole County Trails Alliance since um 2012 and we have a master plan that we've put and and the convention visitors bureau has helped distribute it. The bike shop distributes it. our city engineer, our county um engineer has worked on these things and had input and the pike there at the Shell, formerly Shell, now Marathon Station is the keystone of that master plan. the Pike with its stone fences, its narrow unlined road, um minimal rumbles so that cycling is safe. We've worked with District 7 engineers repeatedly every time the Pike has been repaved to ensure that it remains safe for these

activities. No taxpayer dollars has gone into the establishment of this trail, which is our most important trail in our community. If and I'm sensing the will of this um committee who I this commission is going to be to endorse the flume, the 2025 flume as currently written and the comp plan as currently written. and I recognize why we want to move forward on a two-year project. I don't want to sacrifice um expediency in in the name of expediency. I don't want to sacrifice the quality of the public inputs. I have not seen I've alerted I've shared my comments with my neighbors with the running and biking community. I've been told that there were numerous comments, probably more than there's ever been on any issue before the planning and zoning commission um since I've been here in 1981. Therefore, I hope that you if you if it's the will of this commission to proceed with the 42 acres remaining village center and village neighborhood as they're currently shown on the flume if unless Miss Thornsberry's amendments have changed it. And if so, we should keep it open so we can study those because I just learned about that today. Um then then if that's the case then I submit

that and your comp plan um you know Mr. Smith can weigh in but or mi Miss uh or Miss Gray can weigh in and advise us. But the comprehensive plan process under KRS 100 is written such that you can put on each designated area including bluegrass which is set forth in your comp plan in this document. And in that section, you could put that future development along that 42 acres would include an condition procedent for development. that at that the developer would grant an easement to the city or the county and that that easement would c and in that easement that developer would create a 10- foot wide shared use path that will preserve the master plan that our our trails alliance has set forth and protect it from the increased traffic which is inevitable. um along the pike. If you if you proceed with the flume, the 2025 flume today, then that should be added to the comp plan so that there's a path along Bluegrass Pike, a shared use path along um uh Highway 150, Perryville Road, because the Trails Alliance has a Hughes Lane connector up at Hughes Lane that connects for a quarter of a mile connects the Hughes Lane to Corporate Drive and then

Corporate Drive to Alum Springs. And we're working on a trail that will connect Corporate um Huge Lane connector to Lebanon Road and then from Lebanon Road into the Woven Wire Mountain Bike Park. So there's a master plan and that should be honored by this commission in light of your goals and objectives and if if this is going to be developed then there should be a condition procedent on the developer at their expense to create a shared use path along bluegrass and along Pville Road. In addition, when Mr. Frankle Senior was alive. We talked about he and I met several times talking about putting his land under conservation easement and he wanted to do that but he thought that his heirs would need the freedom of of being easement free. So, we talked extensively about all of the oak trees that he had planted, and he I I advised him, I don't know if he ever did it, to put a um an an easement on his deed that would protect those oak trees, those mature now mature oak trees, if there's ever development. And I submit that that a condition procedent to development of that 42 acres should be protection of those oak trees. That would create a barrier that you're in your comp plan. You talk about protecting landscapes. that would create a barrier that would maintain the character of blueg grass

pike if there was a shared use path with the mature oaks still in place. And those two matters could alleviate could address many of the concerns that have been addressed since September 3rd. So, those are things that I hope you'll consider and I hope that um those will be if if you proceed today to um enact the 2025 flume as currently published and written and the comp plan as currently published and written that you will add those two conditions at the very least.

Thank you, Henry. Henry, I guess I guess maybe your thought on this, but I think of the flume as more general. You know, the specific things you're talking about are the things that would be considered probably would be incorporated into any type of a zone change where where a developer would actually be coming in and say he wants to do a zone change. That's when I would expect these types of conditions where the public would have a chance to comment and these types of conditions would be placed on the zone change as opposed to the flume.

Mr. Manon is absolutely correct. That would be a way to address it. But I can assure you I've done a I've represented a number of people before this commission regarding zone changes. And if the flume or the comp plan doesn't already have a condition in it, then it's probably not going to be part of the zone change discussion. it it would be brought up, but the commission generally will say it's our duty to follow the comp plan and the flume at this time and then you can take up your concerns before the city commission

or the fiscal court depending on the location of the property

and that's where it would um if there's any change that's where it would have to occur and having gone to the city committ commission and the fiscal court on these matters. Then they defer to the wisdom of the planning and zoning commission who basically said we're going to adopt what's in the comp plan and the flume. So we can't today ignore the reality of the process. That means that if you don't incorporate modifications like I'm talking about today, they will never be incorporated.

I disagree with you, Mr. What he said, I think is more true and accurate as we look at some changes. I I I think what Mr. Manion is saying is is more true than what Steve I'm sorry. Yeah. I think what Mr. Manion is saying is is more apt to what we would be doing in a zone check would be looking for for for things that would what you're talking about. I don't think it's necessary in the flu. Right. I I understand I understand that that's where they frequently occur. Sure.

And I've been party to that process before the board of adjustments and the planning and zoning commission. But the reality is is that if you today make these changes part of the um comp plan, not the flume because the flume is is going to be what the flume is, but in the narrative of the comp plan, you can make these conditions and then if somebody um applies for a change zone change from a current agricultural to development,

then attorney, the attorney representing the neighbors and interested members of the public could cite the the narration in the comp plan that you could insert and that would make their argument give you more assurance. I understand that that would that would make it more likely that it would occur. Yes, Mr. Ruby, you you brought up two requests, two very specific requests I did

to to amend. So one of them I understand would be that in the event that that village was ever developed that um the comp plan would say that if this village is developed we'd like a a um a shared use path. I wrote it down to have a condition to create a shared use path. Okay.

I think that's reasonable for us to consider. The other one about putting in the comp plan to save the trees. Okay. So, I'm gonna I'm gonna ask you as an attorney. Okay. I know that we have our own, but I want to ask you as an attorney, if we did this in our comp plan, what are we opening ourselves up to for for every other property in the county?

That's a much softer ask. And I understand that these are willow oaks primarily and they have a lifespan of about 40 45 years, 50 years, maybe 60. Um Mr. Frankle Senior planted them substantial period ago. They're mature now. I I I understand that a reasonleness standard would have to apply to that based upon just the durability of those trees.

Two reason one is the reasonleness of the ask and the second is what does then that open us up to for every other property with the comp plan. I understand your reticence. Um, I don't withdraw the request, but I certainly understand your reticence and and I I get that. But I think

but the shared use pass like we've built with specificity on 2168 could be and has been entertained out on Lexington Road as in exchange for the curbs and gutters and sidewalk requirement utilizing a shared use path to meet those requirements. And I know that I've met with the city engineer and the city manager about that on occasion and there was a willingness to engage in that sort of of um condition. So, if we had a shared use path along Bluegrass Pike and along um uh Perville Road, that would get us halfway to Hughes Lane where we're trying to get a shared use path already so that it's safe for pedestrians and cyclists in our community to reach the Hughes Lane connector at the uh and corporate drive and a new trail we're building behind Megot and AD Kevin out to LSC where the there's currently a trail head in place that's all gravel and three4s of that trail have already been built and once we get the necessary easements we'll complete that. So this is this is a very important ask is

I think you know it's a reasonable piece we talk about and I could see where we could amend in the village description to just include you know encouraging shared use path in any future development.

I could I could see that my my question then becomes you've done this since 1981. When where is this appropriate to when has this been appropriate to to put this amendment in a future land use map as as opposed to what you said you were doing dealing with this with the city engineer and the county engineer? When is that appropriate to go into planning and zoning versus the actual engineers? you following my the place that would occur is not in the flume, not in the future land use map, but in the narrative 108 pages. And under the section that describes Bluegrass Pike, um it was incomplete when it was published. I don't know if that's been completed or not, but it was incomplete in the published version. um it stopped mids sentence, but that Bluegrass Pike section could state as a condition proceeding to development. This commission um believes it would be appropriate that there would be a shared use path similar to the specifications of the shared use path on 2168 to be constructed along the along um Bluegrass Pike and Perville Road. And that would do it. So that if someone chose to develop it un use using the flume moved for his own change then that the person who was trying to protect it

no change to the flame just a change to the comp plan could could deal with that there's nothing precluding that in KRS 100 it would be novel but given the number of comments that you all have um have received D. I think it's very important that this be addressed. We're creating a dangerous uh safety hazard and a dangerous bottleneck and we could possibly address it this way. Thank you.

And again, my comments don't don't take them as a criticism. I have nothing but respect. I've been present when the public and public comments were totally unwelcome at before this commission and I applaud you all for creating a thoughtful commission that seeks to adhere to the dictates of CARS 100. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. We want to do anything different with that. Okay. So, we'll make those changes. Any more comments?

Any more comments? Yes. Make sure we're done with public comments and then we can address.

My name is Denise Cornish. I live at 1018 Bluegrass Pike. Um, the area that you're talking about developing into a village. I live directly across from that. So, it' be a major impact for me, me and my husband. I do see the people that uh use the pike for recreation. We've lived there for almost 20 years, but prior to that, I lived at the other end in Mercer County called Dry Branch Road. It it connects. It never changes. It just changes names. So, that name is that road has been very familiar all my life. Um I am one of those people that cannot get off of Bluegrass Pike many times because of the traffic on Parville Road. I am one of those people that takes Ben Ali to get out to Parville Road whether I'm going to Walmart, Kroger, even to work every morning because during school season the traffic is horrible. But even during the day there are many times I can't get off of the pike on to Parville Road and I have to take that Ben Ali route. With all that being said though, I was raised on a farm and I see that prime farmland that Bluegrass Pike has with that Frankle farm or whatever it's called now. It is prime farmland and I understand you've reduced the amount from 200 plus acres down to 41 but there's and I understand the need for housing in Bo County but surely there is land in Bo County that could be used for housing that would not destruct this prime farmland. So I appreciate you letting the public speak and uh regardless of your decision today, you know, I just want you to thank you for allowing us to speak. But I do oppose the changing it to a village and would like to see it stay agricultural.

Thank you. Is there anybody else, Mr. Morgan, before you come up? Is there anybody else you'd like to speak? Come on up.

Just just literally one minute. Um, in in reviewing the flume and comparing it to the current zoning and the 2018 flume, this commission and has wisely sought to address housing shortage, perceived housing shortage needs in our community. There are many areas that are now available to address that need under a 2025 flume. If we maintained the 41 acres as under his current zoning of agricultural under KRS 100, we do a review every five years of our comp plan and our flume. It may or may not be a deep dive. It won't be a deep dive like this has been. This was long overdue and more thorough. But if there's a need in five years that that hasn't been met by the currently expanded uh room for additional housing in the that um that hasn't that would that would uh be opened up for five years and we open that and we review it and we see that it hasn't been addressed. you could change this f the flume and the zoning at that time. It would be a a a small matter of a revision to incorporate what you're proposing here, but really we strongly urge you to maintain the current zoning of agricultural in the 2025 um flume. Thank you.

Thank you. Are there any other comments? Anybody else want to say anything? Okay. If not, then um Oh, I'm sorry. Oh, one more.

Hi, I'm Carol Burns. I live at 945 East Count Fleet Circle, uh adjacent to Bluegrass Pike. Um, we've lived there since 2000 and I just I'd hate to see that corner developed without some type of protection like Mr. Morgan is suggesting for bikers and walkers. Um, anytime I've been out there either walk when we had a dog or biking, um, I don't run, but um, you see more people out there using it in that capacity than people driving. And so I hate to take that gem of um a green space and alter it away from that because once it's developed, we can't go back. So if if it is going to be developed into housing and you know a village market or whatever you want to term that the development um if you could put in some type of you know either table this and revisit it in five years to see if you really need to develop this area or um put in the conservation area there for a space like you did along the connector road. Um, and then I guess are there other areas that could be developed prior to this area? He use this as a a last resort kind of thing. Um, I know like the space between Steuart Powell and Walker's Trail, you know, that seems like land that could be developed, you know, that's already kind of has a commercial feel to it that um there isn't as much traffic issue. Um, I know just turning when we make a left from 127 onto 150 going towards Pville. Um, we'll sit there through three lights. I'm I'm always nervous because I'm hanging out, you know, past the turn lane.

And if we're adding more housing out there, I mean, these are things that would have to be addressed because there's already traffic issues there. But, um, anyway, I know I've sent a letter in, but just thank you for all you've done. I know that's a ton of work and we do need additional housing. We do need, you know, to keep some green space. You know, it's hard to but to balance everything, but thank you. Thank you. Thanks, Carol. Thanks, Carol.

Yes. Ernst Crown Weber. I live out on Gwyn Island circle, but um I owned the business next door for 31 years as and as a cyclist and a runner and a health uh fitness supporter. I can tell you for these all of these years that place Bluegrass Pike has been the highest referred um roadway in the whole area for community members, tourists, uh visitors to the community. Um not just um right there, but all the way over to Herodsburg. people on the Transame uh bike route uh will use that alternatively as a quieter, more beautiful way to experience our area and get over to this bike 76 trail in Herodsburg, which is a transcontinental from um coast to coast. Um and um that portion that 42 acres that we're talking about on that corner, that's the gateway. That's the entry point. So, it's not just any 42 acres on Bluegrass Pike. It's the place where people start. It's the place where they get onto that road and it sets the the the stage for their experience for the whole thing and the safety um and uh comfort that they experience out there. Um other people have mentioned the fact that there's a lot of traffic going on there uh with the seed cleaner and the activities there. we've already got an influ influx of of big 18-wheelers coming on there and it's really even now changing um the aspect of of that road. But again, as is

mentioned earlier, um I have spent all my whole career there encouraging people to go out there to experience the beauty and the safety of of experiencing exercise out on that road and with other opportunities as uh Mr. Morgan pointed out and others if there's an opportunity for a look at this again further down the road um and let some other areas be infilled and developed uh I I think that would be a better way to approach it rather than uh uh opening this can of worms uh right there on that corner. Um thank you very much. Thank you.

Anybody else? Okay. If there's no further comments, I guess we'll close the public hearing section and as a commission if there's any discussion. Yes. Yes. Figured it with me, Mr.

Several. Uh so first of all, thanks to the public for all of the comments and particularly this the the process has in some ways taken longer than this engineer would like it have taken. Um but it it it's been an eyeopener and I think we've ended up with something that is workable for the community. as as we talked in the future uh in our committee meetings, the um the ability to make this document not a legal ease, but to make it readable and something that we can all use and think about and and how we work together. and also to write into this that the goals and ideals that we've heard of in in the public comments. That's been an important piece for the commission to take part of here. I I think a couple things that reflect back on the public comments. Um we hear about traffic all the time. We don't own traffic and and unfortunately that's something that we deal with in zoning amendments in everything that comes before the commission. Um we certainly would suggest in any zoning amendments where we need traffic studies where we make suggestions and I know Josh Morgan does make suggestions to the state where state roads need traffic studies. you know, Josh maintains a um a record of all of the traffic incidents in in the county and there have been an unusual number of fatalities in this year. So there there is a need for traffic improvement

just we as planning and zoning don't own that and and so we we make input we try to make considerations for it but but at that point we it's not our purpose our function here um comment about prime agricultural land one of the maps in in the U

comp plan shows the prime prime farmland. Danville is where it is because this is all prime farmland. We we built the city around prime farmland. So everywhere we are talk about in development at some point is going to touch on things that are labeled as prime farmland. Even the areas inside the city boundaries today. Um we we're going to try to minimize that and that's our goal but at the same time realize that there will be need to some trade some farmland for housing and we know that in our future um

the potential for housing potential

because again just like we just like we don't own the roads we're not developers planning and zoning does not develop anything and I think That's I I think if there's a single issue that I've found that connected most with the public during our public comment and our public hearings at all of our listening sessions was the idea that the flume does not direct development. Okay, we're not directing anything to be developed in the future land use map. Um that 240 acres that 240 acres has been flumemed for residential for something like 30 years now and it's just never been developed.

Okay. So it it has what we're doing is actually protecting 80% of what was flumemed for development and taking it back out of that possibility. And I and I know that that's not enough for some people, but it also doesn't mean that it's going to be developed right now. It may not be developed in the period of this comp plan. I don't want or not want it to be developed. And and on a personal level, I don't want or not want it to be developed, but as a as a comprehensive plan, it fits in the village structure that there be the opportunity for there to be a village there. Somebody's going to have to want to develop that. They're going to have to go through the through the process of that

and come back to us and then come back to us. But anyway, that that was my comment on the the I think that a lot of people walked away with okay, you're going to make this change to the flume, but that's not going to force somebody to do anything to it. That's correct. I think based on based on what we've heard this morning and with the comments, there's there's two suggestions I think that we would consider for amendment to what's here on the on the uh Oh, excuse me. There's there's two items I think that we would consider as amendments to what we published as the that we can amend right here right now

that we could amend here before we consider passage and and that's on on uh page 34 in the description of garden neighborhood as Miss Thornbury brought up. Um, I think we could drop the duplex

drop the the duplex residential description on that page. I think that makes sense and and is not one of the intentions that we would want to have. And then as the discussion um that we just had on the uh the bluegrass village. So on page 28 in the description of the blueg grass village um it talks about overall walkability within the village is good and some pedestrian and bike traffic currently uses the signal at Millennium Park to go cross Millennium Park which has the city has made some improvements right at that crossway. Now, um I I'm suggesting that we add verbiage in there that would capture the discussion we just had. Future development in the village should require shared use paths to maintain biking and walking connections and add that before the last sent and then continue to the last sentence that says strengthening this connection would be a valuable future opportunity.

Henry, is that too too prescriptive? No, I I didn't hear the word shall, which is what I thought might be. We're not saying shall, I said should should and I don't think it is. I think that you will find comprehensive plans that directly target certain areas and and kind of dictate these substantive requirements and I think it's within your prerogative to do so. Okay. Are you okay with that, Dan? Yeah, I would suggest you propose a motion to that we adopt a comprehensive plan with year two. Yeah. And and I'd like to do that if we're ready. Why don't you verbal and let Harry let Henry work on it?

Henry, do you have comments to what we've just said before we propose a motion?

I don't have comments to what you said. I have comments before you propose a motion, which is that as I was preparing to uh list the statutory criteria for this motion. Um I asked our director about sending notice to the regional planning council and to um adjacent planning units. Uh CARIS imposes substantial additional notice requirements for comprehensive plans. Uh it it seems that we have not sent notice to the bluegrass ad or to adjacent units. I wanted to bring that to your attention. Do I think that we would have objections from those bodies? I I don't. But that is what this It's It says shall it says that it's required.

Then we must Well, you can still make a motion to amend this plan. Your point is though we have to go. We can't adopt it until we send out. Yes, sir. Okay. So, go ahead, Dan. Make your motion to amend this plan. Adopt the pending. Sending it out. Correct. Yes. Can we do that, Henry? Yes. Yeah. Can we adopt this pending? notice notification.

I think that we um would the the notice that we are providing is notice to show up and voice an opinion. That's that's the notice that we're sending out. And so we could adopt it pending that notice. I think we would uh be required to put it on our agenda for the next meeting in case someone was to show up in response to that notice. Okay, that works. All right. So, so which means that we can do that today and that if nobody comes up next time then it then it is adopted.

It's probably cleaner for us to just say we're going to adopt it at the next meeting. Unfortunately, if that's the if that's the requirement next I think I think it probably is clear. This is a nuanced technique. We're talking about adopting it pending this this future notice because the reality reality of it is we'd send out that notice and then at the meeting we would call it as a public hearing item just to to vet whether not open to the public but only to those. The reason I'm getting at this is because how many times are we are we going to do this before we adopt the thing that we asked to adopt by our governments,

right? I'm not trying to stall this. You guys understand that we've we're you can see how much we've taken in public comment. But now what we're saying is we need to take into account the other governments around us. Like somehow like if Mercer comes and says to us, "Hey, we don't like this. We have to take that into account. Right. Well, we have to hear them out. We just have to take it into account. Right. Right. Yeah. And and we really can't see bluegrass add would be they've been involved in this. Correct. All the way along. I'm not certain what

something that you can do that's done in other jurisdictions is you can um move to close the public hearing and table the matter. So that sets the expectation that today we've had the discussion public hearing is closed. It'll be heard next time for a vote. Okay. So public hearing is closed. We want table the matter until the next year. I I think that that should be the motion to close public hearing and table the matter. Okay. And that's separate and apart from the amendments or not.

It probably makes sense to to have a motion reflecting the fact that you've adopted these amendments. So do that first. Do the motion to amend and then have a motion to close the public hearing table. Okay. All right. So,

I have a motion. So, I I would propose a motion to amend the um comp plan as written in front of us with the change to page 34 to remove the duplex residential description from the garden neighborhood and the change to page 28 to include in the description of the Bluegrass Village the sentence future development. in the village should require shared use paths to maintain biking and walking connections.

Okay, have a second. Second. All in favor of the motion, please say I. I. All oppose like sign. Motion passes. Okay, now we need a motion to table

close the hearing and table the Well, and I would like to include in that also to notify the as required notify the surrounding um authorities that are the state regulation requires. So, so I'd move I would move to um table the matter till our next meeting at which where we would propose to approve pending our notification to the other authorities. Is there a second to that? Okay. All in favor say I. I.

Post. Motion passes. Thank you. All right. Um I guess we're done with that, right? We hope so. Today anyway, right? Till next month. All right. Um okay. Uh we'll move into new business. Um appreciate y'all coming. Uh you're welcome to stay but uh um anything from the advisory committee anything from the budget committee propos anything from the personnel committee oh

yes but I don't think that's ready okay the the advisory committee has met but I don't think any of the proposals from the advisory committee nothing um we did have a discussion with the BOA and they didn't have any suggestions for ordinances um as far as because I know during the advisory committee we had discussed the sign ordinance. Um but they didn't have any further suggestions. So okay, we did ask. All right, Henry, when are we going to be prepared to discuss that other issue that we talked about at advisory? I think we expect to set it for the next meeting. Is that correct? Yes. For for the next commission meeting? Yes, sir. Okay. Okay. So, there's nothing from the advisory. Nothing this month.

That's great. I won't be here. Well, it's going to be the one that everybody's going to look at me at. So, and I'm not be here. All right. There you go. The business we need to take care of. There is one thing I wanted to um bring up it. We had discussed in emails combining the November and December meetings due to holidays, Thanksgiving and Christmas. Um, I wanted to potentially ask if December 10th or 11th would be a good combination meeting um for everybody's calendar because that will be the meeting we discuss the comp plan or adopt the comp plan. So um that because it would be uh combined November October one month. Okay, you're ahead one month.

Okay, good. Okay, all good then. But yes, I did want to but yes, we do need to agree. You're saying December 10 or 17. Um, honestly, anything that is good for everybody's schedule. I just wanted to combine November and December to accommodate for schedules for holidays. Okay. So, December 10th, you're saying? Yeah, December 10th works. Um, no, December 10th is a Wednesday. Yeah. To combine November and December. That's great because that that that's dead between what we would be. We need a motion to do that as soon. Yes, sir. I'd like to move that we um combine our November and December planning and zoning commission meetings um into one meeting on December 10th.

Okay. Second. All in favor of the motion I All approved. Okay. Any other business we take care of today? Nope. That was it. All right. Good. Motion to adjurnn. Ajourn. Thank you. We're Thank you.