Community Preservation Committee - Regular Meeting

Good evening everyone and welcome to the uh March 19th 2025 meeting of the CPC. We have a quorum in attendance uh with Alicia Day from Park and Wreck um and Bartlett Harvey, one of our members in attendance via Zoom. So we'll go ahead and get started. Um, I do have extra copies of the agenda. Would you like one? Yes, thank you. I'm also a couple more paper. Well, actually, it's all Can I keep one of those? I'm sorry. I don't need one. Thank you. Do you need one? Yes, please. Thank you. All right. So, we'll jump right into things. Um, so we'll start with the administrative discussion. Um, is there any news that anybody would like to share? Oh, did you accept anything? Yes. Um, uh, I just wanted to share you could consider it mail, but it's being delivered from my brain to the committee. Sure. Uh last night the um clean Lakes Committee met and I'm a member of the Clean Lakes Committee and they would like to revise one of their projects but try to keep it within bounds of what would satisfy us with our grant because the $17,000 approximately that um was for Long Lake water quality, let's say, is going to be um is can be used but they would like to rather than do one technology use a different technology. So involves a little descriptive change to their project and therefore would like to meet with us next meeting. Gotcha. Were they looking to have something included for the warrant this time around this change or No, I haven't looked at the wording. I think it would be helpful to

um Oh, there's nothing we can do tonight with it um because we're not on the agenda with that, but um it might it might be might be smart to you know word it more openly through the Gotcha. So essentially they need to amend their application and if we voted on that next month it would be in time for town meeting but the warrant would have been wording would have been submitted already. That's what we'll have to look into ultimately if um if the warrant closes. Uh I mean there'll be at least a placeholder of the original language, but we'll have to see how you know we would handle uh you know, including the amended language if this board received it and then voted on it. But uh yeah, we can definitely put it on next month's agenda and uh in the meantime explore, you know, what are our options if the committee wanted to uh you know, go forward with that amended language. Yeah, I guess um if I talk to our chair John Folsam about this and say it might matter what we put into the um town meeting warrant as an article. Um does the language of uh the project usually doesn't go into the warrant. It's usually whatever we voted for money typically. Then there's somebody's somebody creates a overview a thumbnail, right? Yeah. Typically in the warrant it'll list the project along with the dollar mark. Yeah. So perhaps I mean that would be acceptable for that meeting and then the details could get ironed out uh later if there was a slight amendment, but of course you know the committee I'm sure would have to vote. But yeah, why don't we put it on next month's agenda and we can kind of explore a little bit in the

meantime and go from there. Good. Thanks. Do we have any other uh news? So, the only thing that Caroline wanted me to mention uh was that she did send an article about um the current approved projects uh for the town newsletter. So, they'll be actually uh in print uh in that. Um and she also added um a little bit more onto our page on the town website. So, that is uh available. And let's see. Other than that, that's all I had for news and mail. Um, so meeting minutes. Um, I'm not sure. We didn't get a set out to approve for tonight, I don't believe. Right? I didn't. Okay. So, we'll, um, we'll review meeting minutes at next month's meeting and get those in. Um, member updates, which is essentially the same as news. Let me stand minutes for a minute. I was told that they're that they're evaluating some kind of pretty successful software to you know would the clerk be involved with that? So yeah, so uh I know that the town um was kind of looking at different AI supported software to kind of uh either take a recording and generate minutes from it or you know the text from a recorded meeting and generate minutes and it's something that um could be really good especially for committees like yeah um it would uh at a minimum I think provide a great framework to kind of build off of in typing minutes instead of starting with a blank page. uh you know perhaps uh you know whatever AI software we look into it'll come up with the text and some are spoton when you compare uh you know the text to what happened um so yeah we're looking into it and perhaps you know that'll be the

way of the future while the meeting and if it's reported uh the text will generate minutes for us I suggest some human looks at it yes no of course it gets put in the official record that's the thing well we all we all have to print But you still have to go. True. True. Right. And use a recommended word limit. Yes. And whoever, you know, serves as clerk and like Jeff said, the the committee as a whole will review the minutes. Um, but as a good starter, like when I write, if there's something to jump off of, I always find it a little easier. But, uh, but yeah, we're looking into it and we'll see how uh how it goes going forward. But we will we'll keep the human in the minutes, right? And we're on public input. Rob, did you have anything before we jump into Can I discuss after or you want me to do it now? Uh, yeah, we could do it now if you want. There's mic. Yeah. So, I've got two things tonight. I'm supporting the walkway project. That I think is second item on your agenda. I'm reluctantly uh here. I I guess opposing the proposal for the dock expansion of $15,000. Um, Andrew, I know you and Saul know, as Alicia knows, that I sent to you three along with Carolyn three weeks ago, a pretty comprehensive statement and accounting with regard to my concerns. And that is that the storage of the docks is covering up a signpost along the boat ramp and you can barely see it. Just point to it. These are the docks. This is one of three stacks that

go about 14 feet long. It's within 50 feet of Long Lake. And these docks block the signpost. You folks are spending, which I'm grateful for, a lot of project money with regard to our lakes and ponds. And here's the thing, it's the law. You cannot see it. It's been blocked since September. It'll probably be blocked until Memorial Day. I've been told that they've been doing this for years. I think I was told that with an eye towards accept it. It shouldn't be blocked. Move it somewhere else. And so I'm here with concerns that things that shouldn't be blocked is people are using and potentially bringing in aquatic nuisance plants or invasive plants into our water bodies. They're not even aware of what they should be doing because the docks are blocking it. In addition, cons to give a it's so close to the water body, they have to give an order of conditions and specifically says seasonal docks will be stored outside the buffer zone. Whether the buffer zone is 50 or 100, I can't really concern because I'm not in KCOM. Don't know, but I'm concerned that they're doing things in violation of the Kanscom order of conditions as well. And then um I'll move on to the next point. The writeup as I've seen it presented in different iterations at at park and recck meetings or the super Saturday budget meeting. The write up I think before you discusses the need for $15,000 and the justification as I read it seems to be an inflation factor of

15% confronting them versus a 6% assumed. That's basically a net difference. Let's just round it to 10%. 10% of $42,000 would be $4,000 in change. And this is a request for $15,000. So, what else is happening? I'm I'm trying to understand what else is happening that results in a need for $15,000 instead of what's presented as a I think a $4,000 calculation. And then lo and behold, last night during Kanscom meeting, it was identified as a discussion item for a lot that I'm familiar with because I move invasives on this lot. And I started to hear things about a conversation that was brought into cons last night to discuss the theoretical placement of a storage area for watercraft. But another part of the concern was that through the brief discussion last night came a question from a cons member stating how are they going to get their watercraft over to the boat ramp because there's some you know several hundred yards difference and it was stated I can't verify that this is the intent but it was stated there's discussion of moving a dock close to the lot, which would mean it's going hundreds of yards away from where the beach location is right now. And I don't see that right up either. So, I find myself quite confused and quite concerned because if you haven't figured out, we already have, as far as I'm concerned, a dock storage problem that exists for almost nine months out of the year. And we use those boat ramps in

that area extensively in the off season, the nonsummer season of the beach. And now because of the money that was approved one year ago, we're about to triple basically the the number of docks that required offseason storage. So thank you for allowing me to speak. Those are my concerns. Thank you, Rob. Um so um number four on our agenda is the uh park and recreation department's uh eligibility and funding request for the Long Lake dock replacement. Um and Alicia is here. Uh I'm here. I'm I'm uh here from the conference, the state conference for mass park and wreck. So uh thank you guys so much for having me here. Is it okay if I share a presentation? Absolutely. Can you do that? I I don't know if I have to hit me. Yeah, I've got share on here. Let's see if it it pops up. Here we go. Okay. Um, so this is a request for the Long Lake Dock purchase. Um, and yes, the amount is $14,267.86 86 cents to speak uh through you guys to Mr. Rounce. Um there were two uh present presentations that were given. One was for 4,000 and one was for 15,000. So um on that same presentation, there were two different presentations. Um so we're going with the one that is the 14,000. So that is why there is a um Mr. around saw a difference between two different prices um cuz they were two different uh options as far as we could go uh with the docks. So, this dock um I'll bring

up some of the things for the project that we're looking to do and a lot of the stuff um all of you already know this because we came through and did this presentation last year. Um, so this is that additional funds um that we would need because there was more of a um increase um than we had expected it to. We calculated at uh 6% and it actually was 15. Um so what we're looking to do with this specific project is that uh we would like to put back in we've always had a swim box um dock that went straight through the middle. Um the image that's on the bottom, you can see this is the old version of the dock that we had. Um that one has uh become had lots of issues. It was cracking. There was water getting inside uh the actual uh 5-ft blocks. Um and we were getting um uh molding inside of it. So we did get rid of those docks. We no longer have them. Um, so we haven't had this set up for a little while, but in the past, essentially what it would do is it allowed us to have two different swim zones. Um, as you can see in the picture, swim zone one and swim zone 2. Um, and this ability um for it to go out was helpful for the lifeguards to be able to if let's say there wasn't very many people that were on the beach that day, they could have everybody in just zone one and have a smaller space to be able to um watch and lifeguard. Um, and typically we'll have uh camp toadawan in zone 2 when they're there. So we try to keep the camp separate from the public. Uh the additional uh benefit to this is that it creates a quicker response time um for uh out into the deeper end of the swim box. Um so it's um we do have a

deep dock that's out there and uh that would allow rather than having to depend on somebody, you know, swimming all the way out there or being in the kayak or on this the uh rescue board. um it allows for a much quicker uh save so to speak. Um so that would be to replace that dock. Um we're also looking at replacing the deep dock. So uh this configuration we would have um a a portion sorry we would have the deep dock uh replicated. The one that we have now currently is taking on water. It doesn't really float all that well um and really doesn't have a whole lot of um use left in it. Um we're definitely even thinking about, you know, do we want to put it in the summer or not? Um regardless of what happens to here tonight. Um and then the last is yes, a creation of a fishing dock. Um that's something that uh as we've done um our statistically valid survey uh for recreational needs of the town. Uh there has been quite uh a big request for having a special place specifically for a fishing dock. Um which is beneficial because you know we want people to fish. We want people to be there um and be able to have a safe spot to be able to do it. A lot of folks what they end up doing is fishing in the swim zone, which is something that we want to avoid from happening because if they lose lines or hooks, you know, people are walking in there and they're bare feet and we really don't want that to be a fishing area that's specifically for swimming. So, if we can create a fishing dock elsewhere, um that will help with alleviating um some of that double usage. So um the sections of block that we are looking at this is uh what the invoice would be. Um the previous pre uh pre uh

sorry presentation that I did that was uh for a smaller amount of money would only have gotten us uh two docks that are the size of the swim dock. So, we wouldn't have the deep dock and we wouldn't have the tea extension on the fishing dock, which realistically you really do need that. Um, so the location of the fishing dock is something that would go off of Lakeshore Drive. Um, we've been working with conservation on that. Um, so the um entrance would be kind of closer to where the the walkway that was created um but on the conservation side. Um that also would be able for uh be able to be a space for individuals that have nonmotorized boats. So whether that's paddle boards, kayaks, canoes, um they could put in on that fishing dock as well. Um so it would be, you know, right there um right off of Lake Shore. So goals of this um you know acquiring that new sections of dock um they help us to be able to reach those safety protocols that we're looking for um to support the lifeguards at Long Lake. Um they do help us achieve the town's goal of creating that fishing dock um for the residents. Um, we've had individuals over the past year that have uh past couple years that have donated funds uh in hopes that someday we'll have enough to be able to build that specifically for a fishing dock. Um, and then you know this project specifically with CB in mind makes steps towards preserving that active recreation component at the lake um and enhancing a facility that you know we've been using for active recreation for quite a very very long time. So that meets the CPC goals um timeline. So uh if it was approved tonight, um obviously this would be

added to the spring town meeting CPC article in May. Um if that was approved at town meeting in May, um we would then go out to bid immediately. Uh so we could get the dock sections ordered with the hope of trying to have them installed some point this summer. Um, and the the image that's on there is kind of a a picture of the sections that we use. Um, these specific types of docks, there's a couple of different providers that provide them. Um, but each of the blocks is about 1 ft by 1 ft. Um, they're all interchangeable, which means that, you know, if for some reason one gets damaged, you can replace it very easily, very quickly. Um, you can put it into tons of different configurations. So, um it's a a very useful um product that's flexible in in lots of different ways. Um so, our budget, so on, uh May 5th or sorry, May 7th last year, um it was approved from CPC that uh we use uh that we got uh $42,436 uh for this project. As I said earlier, um we had uh an increase that was more than we had calculated at that time. Um so the request for that additional $14,267 will allow us to purchase the all of the blocks that we would need to install the fishing dock, um the deep dock, and the swim box dock. All all three of them. to support um CBC, you guys supported this project last year. Um in well current year, fiscal year 2025. Um the park commission originally voted this uh back in 2023 to um approve

the purchase of the dock segments. Um and it was a top priority on our um capital request for uh the past two years. uh the selectman sorry select board and uh fincom supported this project in fiscal year 25 and are still supporting this project in fiscal year 2024 or 26 um and we've been collaborating with consom to place that fishing dock off of conservation land um on Lakeshore Drive. All right, that's kind of like a quick run through. Um, and so thank you for your time and if you have any questions, I'm happy to answer them. Thank you, Alicia. I'll stop my share. How about that? There we go. Does the board um have any questions? How how much do these sections weigh, Alicia? These Lego blocks. Yeah, they're pretty light. So, um, in the presentation, we had a configuration that was probably about, um, I'm going to say, what was it, three, maybe about 20 of them. Um, and you can have two people pick them up and move them. Um, and in the past, uh, I actually have gone down with Tim myself, uh, with those ones that were five foot. Um, and we had to at least have six different people on the sections of dock to move them. So, they are pretty light. They're they're hollow in the middle. I mean, they're really strong, but they do have a hollow core, obviously, to a float. Um, but uh they're much lighter than um typical docks, you know, of old. Excellent. And um just a question to address Rob's concerns about the storage of the docks currently. Um I actually went down and took a look at them today

after work. I'm just curious in the future, is there somewhere else that we could put them? Um I know right now Yeah, that's an excellent question. So um we work every year with highway department to move stuff. Um and they come out with a loader to help us uh move bigger sections just so it's easier to take out. Um in the past couple years, we've actually left the dock in um over the winter. Uh but I think we knew we were in for a pretty epic winter, so we did want to be able to take them out um this specific winter, which I'm glad we did. Um but the the sign that uh Mr. R is talking about you know we can easily move those signs. That's something we can work with highway um you know when I come back from the conference I'll have a conversation with um uh the DBW director and you know see what we can do to be able to move that. Um, ideally we had wanted to be able to kind of store them in that section where um, the sailing tent normally is. Um, but we just felt like it's because there's already so much stuff that we have to store down there and that's right on top of the tight tank as well that it didn't make sense to be able to fit there. So, you know, we can look at different options of, you know, where we potentially could put them. Um, but, you know, if we can have that conversation with conservation, then, you know, we have a good relationship with them, so we're happy to work with them, figure that out. Yeah, that that would be great if um, you know, down the road we could store them um, you know, maybe offsite. I can't speak for concom but um currently within the buffer zone probably wouldn't be ideal um so down the road if if we could move them again I can't speak for Poncom and this will have to be you know something that the

commission uh you know addresses but yeah absolutely explore other sites I'm not sure um where in town but we could certainly um so this year they'd go in the water and then perhaps next year offsite um somewhere to be determined. Um I would imagine yeah we could definitely look at what options there are um because you know obviously there there are going to be more of the blocks um so yes we would have to figure out the storage solution. [Music] I just also add I think it it makes sense to look at the location of those signs because I believe there's been enough reconfiguration down there that there is actually a water spot somewhere else. It is not where the signs are. So, having the signs next to the water spot would be ideal. That's absolutely correct. Yep. So, it's against the snack shack, I believe. And I I think that's correct. And there's plenty of room on the back of the snack shack for signage. Oh, okay. Yeah, if that's I'm just concerned there's 42 feet of dots with the one you're about to add another 84 ft or more. And um I fully appreciate the fact that it'll um increase public safety and add, you know, different amenities for the Fisher uh Fisher people. Um but I certainly am concerned with Rob, you know, about storage in the future. Um so if we could um you know address it that would be great. Um absolutely. Yeah. Did anybody I want to um acknowledge Rob's comments? I don't think it uh I think everyone is going to work toward addressing them. I don't think it should impact the provision of the docks at the

U uh beach and the fishing dock in that location is really good because people actually already fish there. Yep. So, um anyway, Rob, did you um have any other questions or comments? um before the I just hope I'll be following up with Conscom. I'm concerned with regard to, you know, I've attended, as you know, Andrew, meetings of consom. You're quite concerned with regard to surface areas and those things within the buffer zone. you know, if it's a 100 foot buffer, I'm not certain where this location is going to be because I would agree with Alicia, there are numerous uh town watercraft placed between the behind the snack shack already and to the right as you're looking at it of the, you know, the housing area for the restrooms, etc. So, it's a rather limited space there. I think it's ideal. I like Sal's comment with regard to a water, you know, solution with the sign. I think that sounds to me like that can be addressed. I'm concerned about um 42 feet times time three and where it's going to go, but I'm I'm for the dots. I'm concerned about the storage and I don't need to take more I don't want to take more of your time. Okay. And I can certainly ask Tim, you know, perhaps maybe next month we can get started on planning for the off season for next year to get this on our radar so that we can, you know, have a clear path forward for storage, especially if we'll have, like Rob said, additional sections so that they'll be outside of the buffer

zone. Um, but again, I don't want to wear a Hong Kong hat right now. Um but um so how um how would the board like to proceed with uh everything that's been presented tonight? I make a motion that we approve the doc u eligibility and funding application. I think eligibility first. Oh. Oh yeah. Okay. Well, what I wanted to say was with the caveat perhaps that the storage issuers raise will be addressed. That could be part of the approval. I don't know. That's a good Yeah. All right. So, did you want to make a Yeah, I'll make a motion that the eligibility uh request uh for the docks at Long at the Lake be Long Lake be approved with uh with the caveat that the storage issue will be addressed in the near future. Second. Okay, it's been moved and seconded. Uh do a roll call vote because Barllet is virtual. Uh we'll start with you, Barllet. Uh, Bart, let's vote yes. Nick, yes. Uh, Linda, yes. Saul, yes. Jeff, yes. Sam, yes. I'll be yes. Um, so that is um the eligibility is approved. All thanks. Um, do we want to discuss the project any further before moving into perhaps the funding? I move that we approve the funding for the Long Lake Beach dock in the amount of 14,000. Well, your funding request is 14,268, but you had some sense in the presentation you gave us. Would you mind if we just did it for that? Hey, can I

ask that we do the same thing we did for the historical and let's round up to a a reasonable number with the little contingency in it? Sure. What do you want to round up to? What was the 14,268? 15,000. I have no problem with that. So, I'll make a motion. How How does that work with this request application? Um, that is it is the pleasure of the board to, you know, to raise that. Um we do want to make sure that we're identifying it as recreation as well. Um recreational bucket. Um and did we want to put the same caveat that that the storage is to be addressed if um approved as we did with the eligibility? Yes. [Music] Um, so the motion has been made in the amount of $15,000 with the condition that the storage be uh the storage issue be addressed and to and two come from the recreation bucket. Okay. Is there a second for the motion? Okay, we'll do a roll call vote starting. Do we want that so they can use it be? Are you going to need it before July 1st. I don't think that we can do that because it's going to go to town meeting. Um I So I don't think you actually were not allowed. No, we can. No, we can't do we can do from the reserve and it'd be available right after town meeting. Plus you already But it wouldn't come out of wreck though, right? Yeah, that would reserve. Okay. Yeah, that would be extremely helpful. Yeah. Right. Plus, you always have the ability to spend the money that was included last year. Correct. Yeah. All right. Did you want to amend your motion? Sorry.

So, we It will come from the wreck reserve bucket. Yep. That's the amendment. All right. And do we have a or did we have a second? Second. All right. We'll do a roll call vote. Um Andrew, could I just get that for the minutes then? Um the fund amount of $15,000 from the recreational uh reserve with the caveats that the storage be addressed so long as the concerns for storage are addressed in the near future. Do you have to add in that it would be available after town meeting? Uh the fact that it's from the reserve I think kind of implies uh perfects. All right, we'll do a roll call vote starting with Barllet, our virtual member here. Bartlet votes yes. Mitch, yes. Linda, yes. Saul, yes. Jeff, yes. Sam, yes. Myself will be a yes. Um thank you, Alicia. So, um you're good to go for town meeting. Um, so yeah, we'll we'll be in touch as we move forward and uh and hopefully get a a project going that works for everybody and addresses issues raised and and we'll go from there. All right. Thank you all so much for your time. I really appreciate it. Thank you, Alicia. Thank you. Perfect. All right. So, moving on to our next project for tonight. Uh we have a an eligibility and funding request from the Conservation Commission uh for walkway improvements at the Long Lake Rock Ponds um in the amount of

$88,880. A very round eight figure. Um so, I do have available uh tonight. I don't know if you guys had a chance to review the uh electronic version. And I do have some funding applications here in print form as well as the eligibility essentially. Would you like? Yes, please. Oh, of course. Oh, two. What is that? Is that funding? Oh, okay. This is the eligibility as well. Perfect. So, um yeah, so the commission is applying uh to the committee tonight after funding to um essentially improve the walkway at the Long Lake Frog Pond. You remember uh last month we um had a uh another application before the committee to address uh invasive plant management on the very same site um the frog pond at uh the corner of Lakeshore Drive, Beach Drive, and Lake Drive. Um so diving um deep into this application uh we're essentially looking to replace about a tenth of a mile of uh pavers. Um we're looking to uh essentially redo the entire surface and in extremely wet areas. We're looking to put in uh small boardwalks about 10 ft in length. We're looking to make uh the site ADA accessible. right now. It is very dangerous. Rob can attest. Uh the cobblestones are separating. It's water logged. It's um it's just a hazard for the neighborhood and people have been injured on it in the past. Um so we're essentially looking to address the flooding erosion issu issues on site, stabilize the path,

um and again make it uh ADA compliant and accessible to all. Um and so in terms of our um goals for the project uh to enhance public safety and accessibility, support recreation, um walkers, joggers, nature enthusiasts. Um it's going to coincide with the uh dredging project the highway department's conducting as well as the invasive uh management control project that weed last month if it's approved at town meeting. Um, and essentially, so if funded, this project would not be able to start until the dredging at Frog Pond's complete. And I probably should have dived into that a little bit, but so anyway, uh, the Frog Pond um, is in need of dredging by the DPW. And, uh, they're currently lining up their ducks to get that done. It will have to go through Pawncom for permitting as with this work if approved. Um so the site will be um worked on uh over the summer ideally for that dredging project and so um if this project is approved by this committee and town meeting um it would um commence after the dredging is complete. Um so if we were to receive uh the funding uh from town meeting and that became available July 1st uh we would finalize their design in July go through permitting um perhaps jointly with the dredger process um or separately depending on uh what the concom wants to do. Um we would contract with a vendor to form to perform the work and to uh acquire materials. uh and in the late or sorry early fall we'd remove the existing pathway and eventually install it in the late fall and have a public opening hopefully

uh in that same time period. Uh so overall we're looking at about $88,880 uh overall to replace the walkway with this new ADA compliance uh beautiful version. Um, so it would be about $65,500 for um uh the new uh walkway, $5,500 for the boardwalk sections. Uh silt fencing, which will go along with permitting to prevent erosion. Um that would be about 5,300. Removing the existing uh walkway, which it's it's it's a lot of material. There's a lot of pavers out there. That would be about 4,500. And then I've got on here a 10% construction contingency just in case uh you know in the meantime broad um materials or label labor moved up. Um and we do include $500 for uh permitting as well. And in terms of project support, uh commission uh supports the project as does the Littleton Disability Commission and the Long Lake Neighborhood Association. And on the very back of the packet, you'll see some examples of the degradation of the walkway, you can see it's in pretty rough shape overall. So hopefully uh you know, if the committee so chooses to support the project tonight, we can uh make strides and make it safer and more accessible to the public. Okay. And really uh an asset uh for the town beach area in the neighborhood at Long Lake. Uh yeah, if you guys have any questions, uh yeah, where did all the cost estimates come from? So, uh the costs are from a professional contract that that does that work essentially. So, they went on site and looked at it, came up costs. Yep. And I I did take um those estimates. I padded a few categories in case things go over a

little bit, included the contingency. Um so, that's a pretty solid figure what we have here. Great photos. Oh, thank you. Those those are those are from Ron. So the the paper walkway will meet up with the boardwalks, right? So there will be no joint really because it's ADA compliant. Just Exactly. It it'll just be a nice smooth walkway. Um and one that will hold up to uh all this excess water and uh other mess that we currently have down there. The only comment I have is that could you I mean and this isn't contingent upon my support for this but you might want to offer the existing pavers to town residents. You know it's funny because a few people have mentioned maybe a few people have mentioned the possibility of reusing them. Uh I mean they definitely could be reused that I mean that would be great. Uh teenagers have been putting them to use. We don't want those that way. Really? Yeah. It's are going to get dredged likely. Yeah. It's they toss them in the water. Toss them in. Just last weekend, I wrote on Monday, vandals literally moved a boulder, not quite the height of this, but almost the diameter of two chairs, and they right along the pathway that was just installed by Park and Wreck last year, and they uprooted it. So, now there's basically a crater of about 6 to 8 in depth. It's a tripping hazard. What did they do with it? I I have no idea. I know it was done between Friday afternoon and Sunday morning. You just rolled it over. We just Oh, you didn't carry it away or Oh, no. It's like two feet two feet from where it

was. But then they also with regard to destruction, they shattered a couple of what seemed to be ceramic or concrete type blocks. They went out of their way to shatter those and those are scattered and littered in the same area. Yeah. We'll have to get that boulder back in. Yeah. Um the only I is 4 feet the appropriate or the boardwalk sections are four feet. Yep. Yes. Is the walkway 4T or the current path is 4T across as well and uh we would stick to essentially the same footprint for the uh the new material. Okay. I feel I don't recall exactly but I feel like there was recommendation of having um wider sections at least in areas for turnarounds and for for wheelchairs and that sort of thing and we can certainly explore that. This project will have to go through um permitting through con notice of intent. Um, so in that we'd be able to make adjustments where necessary uh because we definitely want to meet the uh ADA standards this time around. Um, so if it does call for, you know, turnarounds, we definitely want to incorporate those. Um, that's a very good point. Um, I don't know how far areas or sort of uh, in terms of widening it, it is a such a sensitive area. Oh, Rob, did you have a just just to point out with regard to Sal's comment because I think it's very valid. Um, if you're familiar with where where the scenic uh expansion area is in the second basin there. So, there's a pathway that I'll say is this arm, but then there's a perpendicular extension that goes off to the scenic area. So there would be some greater area potentially for a rest area or a turnaround as you go all the way up or even just use it right in that

immediate space for you need more money for that though, right? Uh potentially um we're talking pretty minor. Uhhuh. If if you're just doing spots, it's minor. If you added a foot to the whole path, it'd be a very big issue in terms of widening the whole path. It is such a sensitive area. I'm not entirely sure how wide we could go. Yeah. With this existing, but like I said, we can certainly and even with a wheelchair turn around, it's 5T diameter. So, you know, even to accommodate that use, it wouldn't be much. But I think that's a good suggestion where the tea comes together. Yeah. and probably the end of the the end of the change clock would be a little bit great. Excellent. Thank you. Yeah, I guess the only other thing is if I don't know it is most of the pathway fairly dry and these are just the the wet spots or is it how do you address the uh yeah so the individual that did walk the path to come up with the you know the sections um did make that recommendation based off current conditions. Um, my experience walking through there, there are typically three sections that are fairly wet. Um, and I think this will, uh, most certainly address, you know, those areas. Um, but in the future, uh, as we move forward with permitting, like I said, maybe we could tweak it a little bit. Um, add a little bit more in one section, take away from another. U, but I really think that, uh, these three 10-footers should put us in pretty good shape. It's hopefully the materials are all local. Hopefully. Yeah. Yeah. Andrew, can you say a bit more about uh how it

would uh intersect with the dredging of the pond, which I totally support and I think it's a great um it's a best management practice for water quality. Um because it's a it's a stopping place for silt. Yeah. That's uh that needs repairing. So that's serviceable for that ant. Um, it's just, uh, we talked a bit about it at the Clean Lakes Committee and dredging is building a walkway is one thing, but dredging and removing material is another. So, I don't want to see this project held up in any way by the other one, which is highly technical. So, um, the permits are much harder to get, I would guess. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. I mean, both projects will have to go through full notice of intent. Um, with the amount of equipment that you could bring in for the dredging, as much as I don't want to delay having the project done, um, I think that it would honestly potentially harm the walkway going in just with the big machinery going in. So, just as a, you know, a safe bet to not disturb u, you know, the new walkway or the process putting it in, it's probably best to hold off until they're done and they're dredging. But I can't imagine it would go past the summer if they do start early on um once a permit's obtained. Um so I think we'll still be at a pretty decent timetable um even if we wait until uh the dredgings completes which is supposed to start um I believe in the early summer. So it's good news. Okay. Great. Perfect. Any other questions? Yeah. And so I do have this um as a recreation project um you actually can't fund as we well

know trails, pathways, parking lots um through open space. Um so it'll be the recruition category but when we look at funding perhaps und designated would be best to take it out of um but we can determine that when we get to that phase. Um yeah so we've got an eligibility request before us. Uh, would anybody perhaps like to make a motion? I make a motion to approve the eligibility request for the Long Lake Prod walkway improvements. I'll second that. Perfect. It's been moved and seconded. Uh, we'll do a roll call vote starting with Bartletts. Uh, oh, Barley, you're on mute. I'm muted. Yeah. Bartlet votes yes. So, Mitt, yes. Linda, yes. Saul, yes. Sam, yes. Jeff. Yes. Myself. I So it's unanimous. Uh okay. So secondly, uh we have the actual application for funding. Uh so as I previously mentioned, the commission is looking for $88,880. Uh simply the project. Uh did you guys have any other questions? Uh so the the elevation of the new walk going to be slightly above what's there now? Yeah. Yeah. it's going to be built up substantially compared to uh so the let's go over the so we we approved the eligibility based on a recreation bucket so then how do we get to undesate so it's approved as a recreation category but not necessarily recreation bucket okay okay I don't I don't have an opinion one way or the I mean I have an opinion to support this project where do we have to decide that now which bucket we would have to pick which bucket it comes out of. Yeah I I would be hesitant to take it directly

from the recreational bucket because I know you guys have a lot of stuff going on but um in the past have we split recreation and designated on projects? I can't remember. In the past, I know like when we did the parking lot for Oak Hill, we took it out of um um oh my gosh, I just lost the word here. Um undesated. Um, and I believe for the um the board blocks that we've done, we've done the same so as not to take away from recreations uh bucket and the undesated sort of built itself back up because what gets put in there automatically the so we we did put a little bit of an allocation in there this time around. I can't remember what the exact percentage is. I think blended funds goes in undesated and any um interest and interest and fees and portion of the state match went in there. Uh which again I can't remember the I thought we had a percentage and this believe we do. I think we do. Yeah. Yeah. You mean we put a percentage? Yes. All right. Yeah. So it's fairly well funded right now. There's a pretty substantial amount in there now. Do we know that's you don't know? I don't have the figure. I do remember it being pretty well funded right now. Uh I will go ahead and make a motion that we approve the funding request for the Long Lake Frog Pond Walkway improvements to be drawn from the undesated funds. Sounds good. Uh do we have a second? Second. All right, we'll do a roll call vote. Bartlett. Bartlet, both yes.

Yes. Linda, yes. Saul, yes. Sam, yes. Jeff, yes. Myself, yes. It's unanimous. Thank you so much, everybody. It's not on the agenda, but what what is the status of the track? So, I failed to mention that at the beginning of the meeting, but that was uh withdrawn uh for this time around uh in communications from I believe Steve Mark. Uh yeah, I had a I had a conversation with Steve Mark. Um the I think the the intent is still um to transfer funds from the school. um both the the gifts gifts that have been made to the school from the track club track club uh as well as some funds from the school into CPC. Um but Steve didn't believe that he would be able to address the project until um probably spring of next year anyway. And so we felt like it was he was scrambling to try and get the right amounts and some other things organized and and uh so it's still out there. It's just not it's still out there. It will it will likely show show up. uh at one of the the fall meetings that I expect we're going to have. So, we'll be on the lookout. Well, and the other thing I just would say is that in their funding request, one was 25, one was 170. It didn't reflect the, you know, so I don't know how we and that was the there was confusion over the transfers and yeah, ins and outs and if you didn't know there were transfers, you're going

right. Yeah. So yeah, the intent is that they're really going to the the majority of the funding is coming from um the school department and the and we're cycling through. Okay. Excellent. So, the next item on our agenda, uh, number six is the annual vote on debt service amounts uh, for recommendation to town meeting. Uh, Caroline did provide me a list of the debt service amounts that she got from, uh, our treasurer, Roberty. Um, fortunately, I didn't print out a bunch of these, uh, but I can read them off for you guys. Um, so for FY26, uh, for Lucy's land, it's $4,900. For the Hot Memorial Building roof, it's $10,800. For the Cobb Land, it's $16,315. And for uh the Boxboro Road, Williams Land property, it's $33,600. And uh so we would essentially have to vote that onto uh the warrant for this upcoming town meeting. So how does that work? It mostly land purchases. Does it all fall under the the open space? Yeah. Okay. Okay. Um aside from the H Hotton, which would come from I assume historic uh reservation. Perfect. Um so I don't know whoever wants to make a motion. Do you want to read the sheet? Okay. Um at the bottom. Yeah. So, uh, I move that we authorize debt payments for fiscal year 26 in the amounts of

4,900 for Lucy's land, 16,315 for the Cobbs land, 33,600 for the Boxboro Road land from the open space funds as well as $10,800 for the Hilton building roof from the historical funds. I second that. Excellent. It's been moved and seconded. Uh Bartlett, votes yes. Yes. Linda, yes. Saul, yes. Sam, yes. And myself, yes. It's unanimous. All right. Uh and Caroline had included um for number seven ongoing discussion of FY25 and FY26 budgets. I really don't have any uh new information for you guys tonight. Uh so we'll uh we'll update that at our next meeting. Andrew, can you share me the text of that? Is that your document or do you Yeah. Do you want this uh commit to include? Sure. Right. Well, we're just zipping right through this meeting. All right, so the last item on our agenda for tonight is uh just scheduling our next meeting uh the third Wednesday of April would be April 16th. Uh does that work for everybody? He's just slipping in right into the right under the deadline for all my vacations. That that does actually work. It's going to be April Wednesday. Wednesday. Yeah, the thing Lakes was the 14th. Oh, you double meetings that week. Is Is seven still good for everybody? Would anybody be game for earlier or is that hard? I don't think I think earlier would be great. Actually, I'm okay with earlier. I don't know about other people.

It's not a problem for me. Yeah, I Yeah, we want to shoot for maybe like 6. Is that too early? I can't do six. Otherwise, I'd be eating my dinner here. Oh, no. You don't want to do that. 6:30. 6:30. That sounds good. All right. So, April 16th at 6:30. And maybe we can make that our new thing if it works out well next month. All right. Is there anything else that anybody would like to Yeah, I want to make a plug that doesn't have to do with CBC. I know April 19th is the Patriots Day and the Historical Commission is having um a special 250th uh anniversary Patriots Day event from 10 to 10:30 at Liberty Square. That's our usual ceremony. But from 11 to 3 at Fay Park, we're having fun. We're having games. We're having horses coming through. We're having the Bucks Minutemen. We're having food trucks. Um, so everyone is invited. We hope you come. And anyone who's listening, we hope you come. That's Saturday, April 19th. Be there square. All right. The Foxboro Minutemen. If you like music there, it they're going to bring some really good music. They are. They're awesome. They're bikers and drummers. That's right. They practice year round. They don't usually. Yeah, they might do that, you know. So, what are the hours at Bay Park? 11 to 3. Perfect. You didn't like the sun, did you? I don't believe so. Good. We won't force there. Oh, really? All right. There's nothing further. Somebody may like to make a motion to

adjurnn. Make a motion to render. All right. Did I All right. So, move and seconded. Uh, last roll call vote of the night. Um, uh, sorry, Barlet. Yes. Yes. Linda, yes. Saul, yes. Sam, yes. Jeff, yes. Myself, yes. It's unanimous and we are journed. Good night, everybody. Excellent.